for a wednesday, "way too early"? >> time for a live edition of "morning joe" from d.c. scripts are so important everybody. have scripts at home. don't let the children leave home without them. we are 15 years into this new century. 15 years into the don of terror touching our shorts that unfolled with a new generation fighting two long and costly wars that saw a vicious recession spread across our nation and the world. it has been and till is a hard time for many. but tonight we turn the page. tonight, after a break through year for america, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the

fastest pace since 1999. >> good morning. it is wednesday january 21st. with us on set in washington, d.c. we have senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post sam stein. abc news political commentator and fpr senior analyst cokie roberts. white house correspondent for the host of daily news one now, roland martin. i saw you tweeting about there all being crazy and it will be because i asked cokie, what was your favorite thing about the president's speech last fight in cuba? she said snap my favorite thing? what favorite thing? you do have a favorite thing? >> of course. >> my favorite thing is the whole scene. i love the hall of the house of representatives, the flag the vice president, the speakers. george washington lafayette.

yes, i do love all of that. >> you are caught up in it. >> i love people who stand on the aisle like that for hour days i think, elliot engals stands there. and i find that hysterical. >> well i have a lot of exciting thoughts on this. we're going to move on with our great panel an talk about what happened last night here in washington, d.c. the president has two years left in office. but last night, he addressed congress with bold proposals, he says will lift up the middle class, speaking to a packed cham ber t. president framed his agenda as practical, not partisan and patted his administration on the back for policies already in place. >> and every step we were told our goals were misguided, too ambitious. >> that we would crush jobs and explode deficits. instead, we've seen the fastest economic growth in over a decade. our deficits cut by two-thirds.

a stock market that has doubled and health care inflation at its lowest rate in 50 years. >> that's good news people. so so the verdict is clear, middle class economics works. >> he definitely had some very confident fun moments. >> oh yeah there was the president touted tow, a number of plans that had been leaked or slowly rolled out e-called for shifting the burden away from piddle class families improved sick leave, free community college and a minimum wage increase. >> nothing helps families make ends meet like higher wages. that's why this congress still needs to pass a law that makes

sure a woman is paid the same as a man for doing the same work. this is 2015. it's time. we still need to make sure employees get the overtime they've earned and everyone in this congress who still refuses to raise the minimum wage i say this few truly believe can you work full time and support a family on less than $15,000 a year try it. if not, vote to give millions of the hardest working people in america a raise. >> we just had a moment. you and i connected on that, i literally from my chair watch tack line saying thank you, thank you for saying that. if you can live on that wage go ahead and try it. all of you out there. >> it's not like they worked that much the last three or four years or so. they probably give some.back. >> on sick leave, speaking of sick leave, joe, his entire

family are out with the flu, by has us here in walk ourselves, at that time helm here. he is so, i actually i'm worried about them. they've had flu for weeks. now it's back and raging. some critics are dismissing a rosy view. he touted his success with russia and america's progress if containing isis while calling for an authorization of use of force from congress. >> in iraq and syria, american leadership including our military power, is stopping isil's advance. instead of getting dragged into another ground war in the middle east we are leading a broad coles, including arab nations to degrade and ultimately destroy this terrorist group. >> so just as notable was, what wasn't in this speech. there was no mention of al qaeda t. president barely spent any

time on the event if ferguson missouri and new york that have sparked mass protests across the country. he did little more than mention an immigration reform despite taking a broad and controversial action last year. but he did call for a less toxic air of politics, drawing in bipartisan applause and at times he found his swagger, especially during this off the cuff exchange with republicans. >> i have no more campaigns to run. [ applause ] >> my only agenda i know because i won both of them. >> yes. >> that was cute. that was good. >> every comedian i know see it dropped the mic, walk off the stage. >> i'm done. >> they say perfect timing. no response. >> right now let's go around the table, start with cokie, first of all, no mention of al qaeda and on foreign policy was the president strong enough given the fact that i think he is

still being held accountable on that jbd comment. >> he will be asking for a draw of force, manly among his own democrats it will be hard to come by. so i think he does need to make the case more strongly that this is a direct threat to the homeland and that he -- that this is something that congress needs to do. >> overall the speech seemed like a speech you would give earlier on in a presidency. >> or later. okay. i saw this speech as the platform for the 2016 election. a lot of people thought the democrats should have run on these issues in 2014. a lot made the mistake of not doing it. he is now looking at his partisan legacy. he's lost almost 70 member es of congress, scores of democrats around the country and he's setting the agenda for the democratic party going into the next election. >> carole lee, what was the strategy?

it seemed very positive at times. i looked it a lot, obviously, it seemed like he was trying to send a page like come on. >> yeah. >> they were trying to much more on the optimistic than confrontational. that was the overall goal of the speech. he kind of undermined with ad libs here and there. >> this was a straight democratic party speech to a joint session of congress. >> but i think the tone in the sense that at the end of his sweech he went on this whole nostalgic rip about being one america and harkening back to working together and those themes were what they want to drive home. but you are right, it was a very in the president's ideal world, this is what he would do. what i found interesting is he declared the recession in the crisis over and pinpointed the one part that is not working, which is for the middle class and in that sense, the two parties seem to be coalescing around that idea and the question is not what the debate

is going to be about if 2016 and in the next year but what the prescriptions are going to be president the two sides. roland. >> what sort of drives me crazy when you have a state of the union speech, the middle class the middle class, is there are no other americans. that's kind of important. so you did not hear anything poor along those lines, but he started right off with the economy, what's interesting, he went right to the narrative. the woman, rebecca, sitting between first lady and jill biden. but that story was quite interesting when you talked about construction housing went down. she had to go back to community college to get retrain and he did lay out in terms of the republicans, okay where can we agree? the community college initiative, he used what happened, what's happening in tennessee, okay. a red statement he laid it out. republican legislature. prib governor. 90% of all high school graduates said they wanted to do it. he brought about infrastructure. same thing, another issue

traditionally both side said let's build america. he pinpointed where we can bring it together. he should have pinpointed criminal justice, on the fiscal side it makes no sense. he could have said people in the house and senate you cut citizen reform. you cut mandatory minimums then i'll sign it. >> you bring up the things he is pushing forward, by the way, i love the nod to the cop. i to the that was important given the big picture. >> to the cop and the folks, the protesters. a lot of folks who voted for him. >> exactly. sam stein, though do you think there is there is a bit of there is what we didn't get done when he start bringing up the middle class and certain parts of the economy that are really -- >> well i think cokie actually got to a very interesting point, which is that there is a need and i think we satisfied some with there speech to restock the policy cover for democrats. part of it has to do with the fact that there have been legislative successes from this

administration. no longer can the leading democrats say we need to pursue universal health care reform. it's happened. whether you like it or not. immigration reform we have been in this debate for two years ago it will be difficult to litigate that. so there was a need there for the party to restock its policy covered and i think this is what the speech was intended to do was to give them a blue print. to give them a set the of ideas, around which they can coalesce. they may not all agree with these ideas, surgeon lip, house democrats have done variation of this idea. but i think that's what the goal was, to state, this is a modern view of how we can do family politics. how we do work politics and the question now is how do you pay for it? >> i think it was not just to give the democrats something as to run on but to put the republicans in the corner. that's why i say it's highly partisan. it's basically sake here i'm santa claus. i will give you all these wonderful presents and mean old

scrooge is going to take it away from you. >> i disagree this is the only place i disagree on that. i don't think that's actually 100% true. i think he has a point, a lot of the stuff he's talking about have community roots. historically infrastructure et cetera. where he is putting them in a corner is how he pays for these things. you need to take tax cuts from the wealthy and apply them to a middle class or these programs. tlat the way to do it. that's putting republicans in the corner saying you have to pay it this way. he knows it will be more popular but they'll never agree to do. >> they never have before. >> i don't think the idea is -- >> so therefore, it's not a real proposal. >> well -- >> no, no no why can't we actually demand of the people who we are paid to say, you know what, why don't you actually discuss it debate it and physical out how to actually pay for it. because he was talking pocketbook issues.

what he is saying is we are coming out of this recession. look i'm tuquetalking to mothers, fathers, people with student loan debts that's a pie in the sky note. get to work and figure it out. >> there was one big contradiction, obviously with the speech. he ends in this great oratory of coming together. it was right after all these veto plans. >> right. >> cokie, can you explain to me we will get to the republican response. there were so many. like how do you, which one was the republic? >> what was the official one? joni ernst. >> and there was an official one in spanish. >> okay. >> and then? >> then the rest were freelanceing. why? because that's where the republican party is right now. >> doesn't that show a fracture there? >> of course. but that's -- that's the way

democrats used to be. >> okay. i to the it was strange. anyhow, a flow of responses to the president's address, first of all hillary clinton tweeted her message. of course she did. her possible presidential foe democrat and mitt romney blasted the leadership. the main televised we responsibility came from senator joni ernst on the job just two weeks who told her personal story of growing up working at hardees, wearing bread bags over her shoes. she wasted little time in opposing the president. >> we'll also keep keep fighting to repeal and replace a health care law that's hurt so many hard working families. we'll work to correct executive overreach. we'll propose ideas that aim to cut wasteful spending and

balance the budget with meaningful reforms, not higher taxes like the president has proposed. >> all right. republican congressman carlos krevalo highlighted a rift in the party remember likely presidential candidates faulted the president for disparity and racial unrest. >> my trips to ferguson detroit, atlanta and chicago have revealed what i call an under current of unease. there is a tension that has become visible in the protests in every american city as congressman john lewis put it, there is growing discontent in this country. >> what still, it wouldn't be a state of the union without some kind of gaffe. so thank you senator ted cruz

he had that his office actually did it. i feel bad for him. this happens, right? >> we all had -- making my texas look bad. >> okay. so he had this video editing team. >> that video was eventually taken down from youtube. it came down i out a little wrong. take a look. >> the president tried to say his policies are lifting the middle class and, yet, today, median incomes have stagnated for over a decade. let start over. tonight, america saw a powerful demonstration that it is time to move on beyond president barak obama. >> a staffer tweeted, yes, sometimes it takes him two takes, but fought often. what we deny is actually a

gifted oratore tor. he can go on and on and on without note. come on guys put the right video up. come on. >> it happens. >> i'm furious. >> that texas. >> joni ernst, the official republican response and i got to tell you, relative to other republicans responses i've seen. >> or democratic. >> or democratic ones. >> i think she was really good. do i agree with everything she said. but, you know, it's a hard it's a terrible position to be in. >> it's a ridiculous position. have you the hall of the house of representatives with all of his history and pomp and ceremony and everybody cheering and we go to some teleprompter and she was clearly quite nervous. she didn't do anything to embarrass herself which is a picture is there that's why when

governor bob o'donnell, that was the best response he did it in the chambers there. >> they screw up or they go and drink watt. >> yeah. >> there is no way to break through. the water thing is actually you know that was marco rubio. i fell for him. because you really don't though what that's like. >> in the united states. >>. thank you. no. until you have done it. and you think you know when you practiced, there is nothing. >> right. >> like sitting in a room with a live camera on you having to talk and it really does sometimes, it's debilitating. >> after this big event, you know. >> the president. >> yes. >> on top of it. what did she do before? she wasn't on television. >> she did fine. she did good. >> it was very smart of the republicans to put her out. >> really smart. >> she delivered a fe pail

veteran. she's young. >> she wore cam flanl shoes. >> he did. she wore cool shoes. these are, this is all groups of people that the party needs. >> all right. we're going to dig in deeper ahead. a big morning for us here in walk. coming up we have republican rep paul ryan governor scott walker senator john thune and and hello, ryan. >> good morning. >> i think i should moderate the debates debates. we should keep our mind about this. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. good to see you. so,as my personal financial psychic, i'm sure you know what this meeting is about. yes, a raise. i'm letting you go. i knew that. you see, this is my amerivest managed... balances. no. portfolio. and if doesn't perform

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. >> politics isn't one where democrats abandon their aden da

a better politics is where we appeal to each others basic decency than fears. better politics is where we debate without deuponizeing each other. better politics are better than pulling us into the gutter. that a better politics. that's how we start rebuilding trust. that's how we move this country forward. that's what the american people want. that's what they deserve. welcome back at 23 past the hour. live in walk chairman other national committee, ryan it's great to have you on set. >> we'll discuss my negotiating debating position later. okay. >> we'll work on that. >> better politics, was that a dig as you guys or what do you think the president pante? >> you know i'm not sure hearing that clip an hearing about dark money and politics and bipartisanship in practice not if reality.

maybe i'm getting cynical ability some of this stuff. >> you, ryan cynical? >> at this point i really do think if regard to your other tease, i know it's constitutional him. but the president doesn't actually have to deliver the speech. you can actually e-mail it out. we can read it. i hope maybe the good parts. i hope that the president is serious. you know about working together. i think that we could get a lot done. i think if the president went down to mitch mcconnell's office and said,let start with those 360 bills, many of which were drafted by democrats, many were passed with a bipartisan vote. i think that you could find some common ground. i don't believe the president actually wants to find that common grouvenld i don't think he really cares about dark money and politics because he has raised more than anybody. so even the things he believes in i question whether he actually cares a whole lot about i. as far as reading in the rest of the world, i mean you have

we know water happening in regard to isis. we know what's happening in iraq. we know what's happening in yemeni and syria. russia is brewing ships in the havana. so this alternative universe in regard to foreign policy. the problem a guy like me have and people like us have is that he's a hard person to believe at this point. whether you things you think he should believe in, whether dark money in politics or his party. >> i think the same can be said about your party. >> he's the leader. i'm not suggesting it's easy. >> i totally agree. i put the question back to you to the first part you said. you sound so conciliatory. some might argue members of your own party don't sound that way. is that true? are there ways they can improve so it is done? >> i think there is always room for improvement on both sides. there is nobody that's perfect. i think it takes an extraordinary leader in america in the white house to bring people together to bang heads

together and say,let try to figure this out. you know paul ryan in his response, he was on television last night. one of the things he said is yeah we can find common ground on loopholes. it's fought like people are coming out swinging here trying to figure out how we can blow all of this off. but i think it really does take a president who believes in the things that he says in theory but to take it into practice. >> is there with a way of calling him on it? is there with a way the republicans can say, all right, mr. president, let's do this? >> certainly. i do and i go back to this as a theme. because i do think we've got some common ground that was sitting in harry reid's desk we can start with. >> like what? >> the pipeline is one. if you look at that bill you had multiple democrats out there supporting it. mary landrieu. >> trying to get it on their

own, didn't happen. a dozen democrats vote for the 40-hour workweek last week. the president said i will veto both of these things. what can you believe in? >> can i ask you about immigration reform. in the official gop response it wasn't mentioned. what a cynic might read into that a bit. i'm not a cynic. can you explain what happened? >> i did an actuality yesterday, too. so we send it out to all te afilliates. i think in today's political world, you are going to have i think if you look on the democrat's side you will see almost every senator and congressman send out a press release with their response. i don't think it's that strange to have multiple people giving multiple response. >> why not immigration response in english. >> i think the president screwed things up in regard to immigration reform by overreaching taking his executive action.

i think by his own off again. >> the response -- >> i think we have been talking about this executive am necessity the president has taken illegally for a long time. until that gets resolved it's difficult to conduct any other kind of immigration reform. look i'm not the policy guy, i certainly have a lot of opinions, as can you tell but i do think it comes back to leadership and the one thing i want to say i think being genuine, we want a strong president. we want the president to lead and to shine abroad. we need him to shine abroad. he's not. and i think even people that are on the democratic side of the aisle would agree with me. i think that's what we right now desperately need in america in this world is a foreign policy leader in the white house and the president isn't doing it. >> what's the strategy behind the tighter debate schedule? >> i this i the strategy is is that no. 1 i think we will have a pretty broad feel as you all

know. so i think intrigue drama, interest, i think that can be very good an beneficial for a party and dangerous as well. it's dangerous if you don't contain the process, so i want a shorter process. i don't want a 60-day process, i don't want 23 debate. we all can agree that's a little out of control. >> no. >> i think having one. >> it's good entertainment. >> having then debates or eight or nine debates, i think is a reasonable amount of debates. it gives our people plenty of time to argue. i guess it's also an ad mission that while i can't control everyone's mouth, i can control how long we kill each other. i think that's important. >> wow. >> is this your big concern going into 2016 the party will implode on itself? >> that's a little. i don't think imploded is good. but certainly. >> i would admit that it puts the honus on the party and

containing the field more so when you have this big of a crowd that's running for president. so certainly, i think it's good for us if we can contain the process reasonably. that means us being about perfect. that's what it's going to take. >> all right, thank you very nice to see you, as always. >> you get to the packers? >> oh well. do you want to talk about that in. >> well, as i said there is not, there was not and is not enough miller lite in wisconsin. >> it's painful. okay. >> for being dumped in highle school. >> coming up the from the current head of the rnc, howard dean joins the table next. plus must-read opinion pages on "morning joe" and arkansas for tom cotton is coming up in a few minutes. stay with us. we'll be right back.

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. >> the obamas invited 22 guests to his speech including a former prisoner an astronaut and a doctor. another one of the guests was a ceo of cbs. yeah, which explains why there year obama's speep was printed on one long cbs receipt.

there you go. i have half a tree in my hand. >> wow. >> thank you for joining us now, former governor of vermillion former chairman of the democratic national committee. howard dean. howard how did the president do last night? >> i think it was his best speech since his first inaugural ral. i thought it was great. he laid out. >> it was a good speech. it was a question of whether it intended to accomplish anything. >> sure it was. he did two things. he laid out an agenda that probably won't be put into force. he set up the republicans for fought putting it into force. isn't that what are you supposed to do in the state of the union? >> >>. it is what you are supposed to do at a democratic convention. >> well, i watched it with somebody who didn't know much about politics. it was really fun. you have to explain why sheila

jackson leaves in the same place. she gets -- >> she's going to be wearing red. >> and she's going to get there at noon to save a seat. can you fought reserve those seats. >> i know you are huvenl i'm from houston calm down it's all good. she's happy to get her shout out. >> that's right. >> backs to the opinion piece. some people didn't like the president's speech. it's not just cokie. >> it was a good speech. >> she says it was good. hard to please. all right. i want to go to the national review. this is tough. the last 15 minute of this speech amounted to obama's golden oldies. there are no red states or blue states. the difference the the first time we heard this stuff, it had at least superficial plauz

ability. it's one thing to came as a candidate that you are running against cynicism when are you a rookie politician. it's quite another to start the sixth year of your presidency cynically trolling the opposition with proposals you know you cannot pass while decrying the opponents. carole lee first of all, are then any of these things he is putting on the table? >> did you just say no? >> i think most of them no. the white house knows that too. >> it is 2016. >> it's legacy building, too, you know, this is a president who says he's overseeing this economic recovery. this is the one aspect that's still lagging, it's middle class. he's trying to put out there a bunch of prescriptions. i know he's not talking about the poor. he's it's about his legacy. he is laying down a marker.

there are certain things they may be able accomplish in the next year but none of them are going to necessarily involve a $320 billion an raising taxes on the rich. it's just fought going to happen. >> roland say it. >> why can't we actually try to drive conversation and say why can't you do something with this? why is the automatic assumption ah we can't do anything of that. probably because we don't pressure them and say, move on infrastructure. >> that has always been something for the democrats. >> they have to. there is a highway bill coming on in may. they have to move this month. next month, on homeland security. >> why can't we challenge them on community cleenls? i talked to ceos and entrepreneurs, the problem, people are coming to them. we have no skills whatsoever. community cleenls train 65 or 70% of our folks. why can't we have a conversation? >> there are actually some republican governors who suggested that you should be able to get a four-year college

degree for $10,000. if the republicans are suggesting that and the democratic president is suggesting that then there is probably some common ground. i think roland is right. aside from inside the beltway citizens which we all indulge in. i do think this is a chance for the president either party, in this case a democrat to layout an agenda of hope for the country. it's the only time he gets to do it except for his four-year inaugural address there is reason to think some of this stuff co could become law. >> president obama knows his prospects of getting congress to agree with his economic proposals are less than zero. republicans dismissed his gather before he voiced them. he was speaking to the future. to the 2016 presidential elections and beyond.

by simply raising the plight of the middle class and looming behind it the larger issue of economic equality, he has asserted economic fairness into the political debate. hillary rodham clinton, cannot ignore fem them now. even republicans disinclined to raise tactics on top tier earners may find attractive the idea for doing something for those in the middle. i haven't seen carole lee on either side hillary clinton as she developed what it is that her message is. an effort to really make that a focus. a part of who they are. >> well if you look at in terms of hillary clinton, the one thing she's weighed in on all of the things going on in the news in the last few weeks is this middle class. she did it last week and again this week. >> does that sound as hollow to you and me to tweet about it? >> it seems a little distant. >> water your venue, though? >> well make sure she doesn't

get to do the state of the union. >> not yet. >> right. >> and this pretty, you could argue, the republicans could argue, has not tackled these no. 1 problems. >> if you look at the republican response first of all the white house thinks that republicans want to do something. so they see like amid all of this kind of the fighting over the policies that he's laid out. they think the republicans have a burden to try to get something done, to show that they can govern. as to they think there is a possibility. if you look at the gop responses, a lot of them are very critical and then at the end, they'll say, maybe we can do something. and that whether it's true or not. >> is giving hope. >> because they could get something done but you know they're not going to do raising the capital gains tax. you know that. >> no he's tried that before. >> so do something else. >> you are saying they could do something about loopholes, so

there are some areas where they're using the same language. >> on this point in terms of inequality. i don't care if you live in a red state or a blue state, when you are broke. you are broke. ing a. if you don't have health care. when your kid, you are going to college. the reality is the candidate that actually speaks to that. we talk about pop youly.pop populism. because of that message, resonates and look i said to the white house luteally is absolutely, you should have had the courage to look people in the eye and say you tell me when my policies can help when you are from broken states. >> cokie roberts, do you think i'm crazy to think elizabeth warren is a key player in 2016? >> i think she's helped shape

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. >> we're going to go to other news around the world to yemen, where violence and unrest are escalating rapidly. shiite militia men clashed tuesday before storming an seizing control of the presidential palace. yemen's president was believed to be in the capital at the time. but his exact whereabouts were unknown, late in the day a senior rebel gave a televised speech saying that the advances were a warning for the government to meet the group's political demands. the country's current leadership is a crucial american allie in the fight against al qaeda and the region and u.s. officials say the uprising is a threat to those efforts. the president is reportedly still clinging to power at this time. we'll follow that. joining us now on the set here in walk. republican for from arkansas, a member of the armed services committee or as cokie calls, the few guy. senator tom cotton how are you doing? good to have you here with us.

all right. first of all, with that in mind how do you think the president framed the foreign policy part of his speech last night? >> i think the president is living in a make believe world when it comes to our national security. it's cute when you are dealing with children. dangerous when you are dealing with the president. >> why would you say that? >> he said for instance the islamic state has been stopped in iraq. we are winning against them. that's not the case. you don't win wars on defence. you when them on offense. and you decided yemen, where there has been a potential coup overnight. the president's whereabouts are unknown. just four months ago, president obama cited yemen as an example of a successful listing of terrorists. >> tell me what you think he should be doing given the fact that you think that this is sort of being sorely misguided here. what are we missing? >> first off, our islamic state is severely lacking. >> what should it be? >> a lot more runs conducted.

foreign air controllers on the ground and if our generals or admirals say we need to have special operations forces on the ground to supplement. >> so we should be at war right now? >> the islamic state is declaring war on it us. the choice is whether we win or lose the war. right now we are losing the war based on defense if iraq. >> is the congress going to pass an authorization of force in. >> it's a good example how the president's strategy is woefully lacking. he hasn't sent the text of it to the congress. george w. bush did that in 2001 and george h.w. bush did that in 1990. he can't even define the contours of the requests he wants to make because he doesn't want to conduct this war. >> the president last night said he needs and authorization, whereas before he doesn't need an authorization and that line was not in his prepared remarks. do you think he needs an authorization? >> i think it would be 34ri8ly helpful for the congress to get on the record that we want to

defeat the islamic state. we endorsed the goals he laid out. he hasn't achieved a strategy. they are cutting the heads off of americans. they're trying to attack us here and around the world. we are at war with the islamic state the choice is not whether or not we win the war. >> at times, what do you say to the american people who are sick of this? whoever since we went into iraq a second time and ten years the war in afghanistan. what do you tell them? >> well our kansas that i represent are scared about the islamic state. >> they should be. >> if you look at polling, they show win of the top most priorities of the american people is we defeat the terrorist states and islamic terrorists. >> at the cost of 500,000 lives. >> what should beengaged in realistically? >> we have no army in iraq the

turks are in our way. we are struggling i agree with your view on the iranian negotiations with a country you can't deal with. the president's got a pretty tough hand in the middle east. he woebl e probably could use help instead of talking oints. >> the problem is he's creating the pain. >> she has not. george w. bush created that. there is no isis. no division of the country and there is no collapse of the iraq army. >> we had won the war in iraq if 2008. by the time barak obama took office and the war if iraq was even more by 2011. barak obama's only deputy sect director said the precursor in isis was defeated. >> barak obama, it's barak obama who created the conditions for the islamic state to arides by withdraw ug all of our troops and refusing to take action. >> on bush's agreement. >> one of the things we see is the more we bomb the more high profile they've become and the more recruits they get.

>> i think it sound like -- >> that is a really what do you do about that? do you address that balance when you think about that in this is difficult. >> we kill them there before they kill us here. it's very simple. the more we bomb if we're killing terrorists the safer we are. >> they are recruiting more terrorists aren't we just replenishing -- >> the islamic state is on the march. it is appealing to young radical muslims all around the world going there to fight. bin ladin bin ladin said when people see a strong horse and a weak horse they root for the weak horse. right now america looks like the weak horse. >> i think there is a lot of people who agree with ba you say, before you go what are you going to askpy dad my dad today? >> i'm going to ask if he thinks we are safer in the world. >> you can get his opinion on this as well.

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come on. >> yes, they could do that. it's a bake point. i played high school football. you use the same ball for both sides. >> no no each team gets to handle tear own balls. >> which is a really weird system it lends itself to cheating. i'm surprised it's now just surfaceing. this feeds the negative perceptions of the patriots which is they will take advantage of the rules. >> i don't get it. >> cokie roberts. i don't want you to leave, you are my safety point. >> it's nice you feel that. >> what are you doing? >> i'll leave you here with these gentlemen from i got to go. i had a rock bear moment. >> unlike linus. a big 17:00 hour ahead, congressman paul ryan will be ouric exclusive guests. plus wisconsin governor scott walker joins us to answer the big question on everyone's minds, how on earth did the

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over the past six years, the pundits have pointed out more than once that my presidency hasn't delivered on this vision. how ironic they say, that our politics seems more divided than ever. it's held up as proof, not just of my own flaw of which there are many. but also as proof the division

itself is% guided. i know how tempting such cynicism may be. but i still think the cynics are wrong. i still believe we are one people. i still believe that together we can do great things. even when the odds are long. >> welcome back to "morning joe." we are here in washington. the day after the president's state of the union address. we have howard dean with us. i am holding you hostage. everyone is leaving me here. joe is sick as a dog. i mean just this flu is unbelievable. chuck todd the moderator of "meet the press." nice to see you. we tweeted breaking news conservatives still control congress. perhaps the president might want to look at. that we will talk about some of the criticism for the speech last night in just a moment. but then here in our millennial

section. we have a kitty table. we have sam stein. you have grey hair and grandchildren, we will still be making fun of you. jeremy peters of the fork times. good to have you with us. >> he's hip with that tie. >> it's ridiculous. >> i still have some left over from the '60s. >> you can get paid good money for those. >> you can trim them. >>let get into it. last night, president obama addressed congress with bold proposals. he says will lift up the middle crass, leaking to a packed chamber. the president framed his agenda as practical, not partisan and patted his administration on the back for policies already in place. >> and every step we were told our goals were misguided, are too ambitious, that we would crush jobs and explode deficits. instead, we've seen the fastest economic growth if over a decade. our deficits cut by two-thirds.

a stockmarket that has doubled and health care inflation at it lowest rate in 50 years. [ applause ] this is good news people. so so the verdict is clear, middle class economics works. >> the president called for a shift in the tax burden away from piddle class families better child care improved sick leave, equal wages for men and women, free community college and a minimum wage increase. he was clear on what would happen to republican legislation that he doesn't like. >> we can't put the security of families at rick by taking away tear health insurance, or unraveling the rules on wall street. we're fighting past battles on immigration when we got to fix a

broken system? and if a bill comes topy deck that tries to do any of these things, i will veto it they will have earned my veto. [ applause ] [ applause ] >> all right. chuck todd, big picture, i talked about ron fornier's tweet. i guess some would argue or question why is he making a cane speech that sort of draws back to six years ago or when he was starting out. when he had the ideals in front of him, without some of the failures and why wouldn't he at this point put a deal on the table? you know give me $10 an hour i'll give you keith stone. come on go move. >> it was a surpriseding me about the state of the union, it's campaigns that you get a sense it would be a little less political. but it did feel as if the president was presenting the democratic party platform. when you look in here

realistically, i think there are three items in there that by the end of the year he might actually sign into law. i think the child care tax credit the extra child care tax credit, i think that's going to get bipartisan support, obviously, trade is something. >> that will be a little painful for him on the democratic side a little bit and the new war authorization. i think he is going to get some form of that, i think there is some bipartisan consensus to do that. but some of the other things he spent a lot of time on they're not going anywhere with this kovenlg i thought that was a part of the speech you wonder, should he have tipped his hat to the new congress meaning, i want to do x, y, z, i'm hoping to do this i know we disagree on some things. maybe a little more acknowledgement of the reality that he will be dealing with in 2016. >> you want to bring into the conversation from madison, wisconsin, republican governor scott walker. if you have to find a bright spot in the president's speech last night, what would it be?

>> i think chuck is right. trade, certainly, i think there is an agreement amongst parties or amongst political parties. certainly in the speech the words i heard with which agree with, the claim for the men and women in the united states military. he is talking about standing with the people in france and others around the world him those are things i mentioned in my address in madison to our state capital and got responses positive from democrats and republicans alike. i would have liked to heard the president talk about work force training and development i think those are things embowering the states governors and both political parties to do more to give up some of those things that on the states can do things that help people get the training they need to fill many of the careers available today. not only in wisconsin but across the country. those are things we can work together. >> so ideas are great. what we have learned in the past six years is a lot of them are going nowhere. so i just wonder how the

president might have gotten to the deal-making part of it? is that not possible? >> you don't do that in the state of the union. he's presenting his platform. >> at this point shouldn't we think outside the box? >> no this was his chance to get out in front of the audience and a third of the american people and present his views. now the question is what is happening behind closed doors? >> i feel we have said this after every state of the union we've covered. >> here's the problem. i was listening to chuck. my reaction was, if you are president obama and you have been shut out for four years of doing anything at all because the agenda on the other side is to do nothing. then why would you reach out during the state of the union address? i wouldn't. i would make the deal. now, he's had conversations with the republican leadership repeatedly over the last few weeks. i don't know how those talks are going. that's how it will get done if it needs to be done. >> i think we can be more specific. i think there is bipartisan support for things like community college, for instance. the problem is how do you pay

for these proposals? >> that's right. >> every single one of these, there is a wide disagreement between republicans and democrats. my question for the governor are things on infrastructure, for instance, there is a higher need. the government will run out at some point in time. have you the gas tax that potentially increase the trust funds. what can your republican party do necessarily to get on board, replenishing the highway trust fund. where can there be commonalities between something as bake as that? >> yeah. >> well i think there are things, now, what can they do in washington, what can they do to work in part sher in with the state. i think amongst republican governors, there is work force development, worker training transportation infrastructure, empowering the states to do more on infrastration and health care. you think back in the '234i7b9s90s,

bill clinton found a way to get things done. you look at a decade before ronald reagan working on national defense and tax reform policy. he found a way with a split congress to get things done. my hope is for the good of the country, that this president will go beyond he has every right to layout his party's agenda. this is a state of the union. not the state of the democratic party. my hope is he will find ways to grow washington to find ways to grow their economies and cities and towns and villages. >> jeremy peters. >> good morning, governor my condolences on that heart breaking packers loss. >> no i'm genuinely sorry. my mom is from wisconsin. so i did want to ask you this switching gears slightly to foreign policy. i think one of the major political lessons of the last year has been how quickly and unpredictably world events can change course. and i wonder what you think

about a next president coming into the white house without any foreign policy experience because, of course one of the major knocks against president obama from republicans who say that his foreign pales has been ineffective is that he had known that before he came to the white house. >> well, i think the most important thing in foreign policy is leadership. the knock on the president is fought whether or not he had experience. i mean hillary clinton had a lot of experience being secretary of state. you look at most of the places where she played a direct hand in russia middle east and other places around the world, it's largely messed up right now. one of the most powerful foreign policy decisions i think that was made in our lifetime was one that ronald reagan made early in his presidency when he fired the air traffic controllers, which would seem to be solely domestic policy. what it did, it showed our allies around the world we were serious and more importantly that our adversaries were serious.

documents later slowed that was the case. the soviet union treated it more seriously when he did something like that. idea versus to have consequences. i think this president failed mainly because he made threats and hasn't followed through on it. >> governor scott walker we will leave it there. thank you so much. we want to get to the slew of responses to the president's address, people reacting as well. hillary clinton tweeted her support. but ler possible presidential foe democrat jim webb said he kwan a fan, interesting. though the president called for a quote better politics mitt romney blasted him for chooseing politics over leadership. the main televised we responsibility came from for joni ernst. but there were a lot of responses, chuck. is that -- >> can we mash it up of all the different ones ted cruz and paul. by the way, the view of the pruns, basically look at the six or seven responses, the two

women are the ones that did the best ones. >> and they're the hardest. >> the boys had the struggle sal we say. >> there was one -- let me tell you, these are hard to execute, conduct, you know that. >> i think they're possible. i have to say, i this i the responses, both parties are trying to couple it with a gimmick or something. >> right. >> i want to hear as a citizen, i want to hear from the two leaders. all right, dole gingrich would give it. i think lott and -- just give me i'm an american citizen sitting at home. i'm hearing from the president. give me the leaders of the opposition party him don't give me new -- i think it's great all this stuff. it's almost we are treating it like "star search" rather than tell me what the parties stand for. >> wow. >> there is also a level of free agency too, rand paul has a response. >> oh lord. >> last year heritage foundation. >> ted cruz. >> i want to hear from boehner

and mcconnell. that's what we all want to know. you heard the president's agenda. >> the problem is that this is a national television. >> it's an event. >> responders don't get much of the audience. the country doesn't look like boehner and mcconnell. they don't look like boehner looked last night. >> i think in terms of having a long-timer or a heavy-hitter on. i agree with you. i think the game played well last night by joni ernst. it's sort of like network executives e. we have a new star she's perfect. fantastic. >> both parties have tried to do this with the state of the union funds. >> i know. >> i think this is a moment we are sort of ordering the country to sit, forcing you to watch this. the american citizen, we're asking to you do this once a year. let me hear from the leaders. >> i think it had worked once before. i think the best of the response that i can remember was jim webb

coming in as a few senator in 2007 and giving the response basically, on the iraq policy that george w. bush was talking about, it looked fairly well. >> so interesting you should say that. she has a very interesting background that gives her great credibility. let's take a look. here is joni ernst. she came in with the candidate with that great commercial about catching cows or something, pigs going to washington to make a plea. >> i'm sorry. >> thank you. >> i can only imagine. >> oh. all the city girl stuff, she would be hitting you with. i'm excited. >> oh yes. >> this will go onto the next show. >> you got me. >> all right. we few what you meant. >> >>. >> they'll also keep fighting to repeal and replace a health care law that's hurt so many hard working families.

we'll whoork to correct ideas that aim to cut wasteful spending and balance the budget with meaningful reforms, not higher taxes, like the president has proposed. >> a lot of difference. >> that is hard on so many levels. unless are you done it before, don't say a word. i'm talking to viewers, well, she was this shelves that. she did good. >> i betcha when you think of reading off the teleprompter that's the third or fourth time she read off the teleprompters. >> you guys are like my brothers seriously, worse, mean. >> i'm from vermont. you can't -- >> you know what i meant. you are all going to be skweeblg like picks.

>> this was one of the early ones when they diversified and to promote people like this. >> that is effective. so it's not just to that. first of all the audience of this is tiny compared to the audience of the state of the union. post-people turn it off after the state of the union and it's also getting later, but this does help the people who are not the ones running for president. it does help people. there is an audience there. >> she pulled it off. chuck, jeremy stay with us. still ahead, congressman paul ryan and presidential candidate carley fiorina. valerie jarrett, you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ameriprise asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement? i don't want to think about the alternative. i don't even know how to answer that. i mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. i try not to worry but you worry. what happens

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welcome back to morning joe. we are live in washington, d.c. this morning on the day after the president's state of the union address. here with us now for an exclusive interview, chairman of american conservative union and

chairman of unlocking the potential project, carley fiorina. good to have you back on the show. >> good to be with you. >> sam stein still with us. let all jump in and have a conversation with you. you know i bet i can guess what you thought of what the president said last night. you can go ahead and set me straight. but i'd love to hear from your expertise, especially managing what you should do moving forward to actually move the needle at this time when nobody thinks anything will get done? >> yeah. >> what could he do different? >> first, let me say, look the president always delivers a good speech. >> of course. >> this was one of his better speeches. i have to say, i was a little struck by the way le began this speech. he talked about americans looking like a tight knit family. i don't think americans live that way at all. i think actually we had too many years of class warfare and identity politics. i think they feel as though they're still going through

tough times. and i particularly don't think they feel safe or safer and i don't think the world is safer. and so that opening i thought was very different tan the way americans feel. i thought his close where he tried to appeal to a spirit of bipartisan ship is, as usual, great words but his actions never match. >> i ask you, what does he do to manage this? >> look i think if you are trying to make a deal, whether in politics or foreign policy deal making has common characteristics. you have to know what your red lines are. actually you have to communicate those, i must have these things. ten you have to be prepared to put everything else on the table in a crewly open mined and collaborative spirit to try to reach common ground. honestly, i've never seen the

president do that. i seen him do what he did at the end of the speeches, i will do what i think is good for america. if you agree with me okay. he's already issued seven veto flets, all these executive orders. this isn't a man looking to make a deal and he's fought deteriorateing bipartisanship despite his words. >> to me one of the more striking things about the run up to the sturngs was the fact that he is the guy that looks like he has the wind at his back. not the republican party t. republican party won control of the senate and congress. they didn't get a honeymoon from the american people. you brought up the executive actions. our polling, a lot of polk has shown the policies he decided to enact through executive action they played well. why do you think that is? >> well first of all, i do think that americans are looking for results. i think one of the reasons so many americans are tired of politics as usual, it looks like sounds like is like a sport of words but there is not a lot of result itself.

so when someone takes action that some people agree with i get that. >> there is a sense of relief finally, somebody is doing something. >> i don't think there is widespread agreement on his actions on immigration. i think there is widespread disagreement about his continued veto threat on the xl pipe line. i mean he kind of dismissed it last night by saying why should we care about a single pipeline why don't we start with a single pipeline if are you so concerned about infrastructure. >> here with us from the white house, senior white house adviser valley jarrett. great to see you. >> good morning, good morning, good morning. so we i just have to have if we can have a moment here. >> yes, i saw the president talk about equal pay and there were actually some people not clapping. it doesn't make sense to me in this day and age. >> so we said it's 2015. come on everybody, how would you not think women deserve equal pay. how would you fought think 43

million americans should go out a single day of sick pay? we need to recognize the changing demographics in the work place, as you and i discussed a million times, employers who get it. they're the ones who are competitive. >> it didn't make sense to me. he talks about the highlights paid sick leave. he talks about equal pay. he talks about college being affordable and a whole list of other things but how does this president move forward and actually i'm going to ask the same question i asked to carley given the challenges, what is going to be the tragedy to see some action in these final months, years in. >> reporter: well, twofold, he is going to continue to engage with congress as he said last night. he called upon them tolet put the politics aside and focus on people like rebecca. he described rebecca, who was working hard the construction industry fell out. her husband hit hard times. she went back and got training at community colleges. they had a challenge finding affordable child care.

let's go cuss on people like rebecca, solving her problems. he is going to work with congress to encourage them to do that. as he said just as he did this past year on raising the minimum wage, he is going to work with mares, governors and state legislators to encourage them to provide paid leave, paid sick leave. work on early childhood education and child care. his budget will reflect those priorities. >> that doesn't mean he doesn't want to engage with republicans, of course he does. >> jeremy peters. >> good morning, listen to the president's remarks, it struck a lot of people republicans, as very confrontational and unbending. even before the speech the white house issued two veto threats on pieces of legislation, so i wonder should that be taken as a sign that you guys don't believe that compromise is possible on big issues with this congress for the next two years? >> no, not at all. let talk about those veto

threat. he will veto legislation that rolls back the affordable care act that is providing millions of americans with health care for the first time. women the opportunity to get preventative care. people with preexisting conditions who now can get health insurance. of course, he's going to veto that. he's going to veto any attempts to roll back his executive actions. it's been two.5 years since the senate on a bipartisan basis passed comprehensive immigration reform. if they don't like the executive actions he took. don't try to overrule them by legislation. pass a bill that attempts to accomplish what he set out to accomplish. i think you have to look at the specifics of what he said he will veto. it's important he draw those lines in the sand. >> that doesn't mean that we soon work together on comprehensive immigration forum. it doesn't mean we soon work together on a whole range of infrastructure tax reform. many of the ideas in this tax pack annual came from the

republicans. solet not say it's dead on arrival. because it comes out of his mouth. >> okay. carley fiorina has a question for you. >> good morning, valerie, certainly, every woman on this panel and every woman across the nation agrees equal pay for equal work is absolutely required. i think it's a fact that laws exist on the books today, if a woman is discriminated because of her gender she should use the full extent of that law. i am struck by the fact the president hasn't really led in this regard. he's not paying women equally by his own measures in his own white house. i am also struck by the fact that the single greatest impediment that equal pay for equal work is this seniority system. it pays on merit and time and grey and who isn't who supports the seniority system. unions? government bureaucracies the vast majority of constituencies the democratic party represents and who support the democratic

party. so why wouldn't the white house take on the senatority system and say let's pay women by merits and results. those scenarios, women will be paid equally. >> let's unpack your question a little bit. so, first of all the first question and last question let's leave them together in the white house women do earn equal pay for equal work. then let's go on the say the bill that's currently before congress would make it easier for women tokind find out if they are being discriminated against by prohibiting employers from retal 88 against people who share their pay t. first bill the president signed the lily ledetter pay act, lily had been discriminated for decades the only way she found out is an anonymous tip by a colleague. why is that? we could have enabled her to get back pay way earlier if she simply had known. i think you have to look at the specifics. there is no good reason why

congress passes the fairness act. if they don't think that does the job, water their solution? >> and there is also the app, does the white house still have the app, if you look up some industries, which i know you goes came up with in the past year. it's useful. >> reporter: they did. we tried to make it easier for people to find out what is comparable pay for people who have similar jobs. we are engageing broadly, my car, some of our work families. we talked about a range of issues, pay check fairness sick leave, paid leave, work place flexibility. these are all important to the 21st century worker. employers who recognize that are the ones who will retain the best talent and ultimately be more profitable. but the question comes back closing out with you, carrie what are the republican solutions that they don't like what the president is proposing? what's their solution? >> valerie jarrett, thank you so

much. carley fiorina, thank you, as well. coming up senators john thune, bernie sanders and congressman joakim castro and mares across the country have descended on d.c. for the mayor's summer meeting. next baltimore mayor, we'll be right back. youmayor's summer meeting.

. >> america for all we have endured, we're on the zbrip and hard work require the comeback for all the tasks that lie ahead, know this that the shadow of crisis has passed and the state of the union is strong. [ applause ] >> here with us now, we have the democratic mayor of battle more and vice president of the u.s. conference of mayors which meets today, mayor steffi rollings-blake. the u.s. conference of mayors is kicking off its winter meeting today in washington. mayor rawlings-blake given the grade he gave the country.

the state of the union is strong,let talk about our cities the city of baltimore, certainly has its struggles. what would you say the biggest problem that you face or challenge you face now that perhaps you are fought getting the support you feed from the government on? >> i think the lenls lategislators in washington, d.c. has a lot to learn from mares in our country. we have democratic mares, republican mares. we don't have an option of being a debate or having an argument about something. we have to lead and it's important i think at this time in our country that they say no it's because cities are where it's at. we are getting things done. we are creating and supporting families. that's what the president was talking about last night. >> beyond generalitys what is that it you are dealing with doing, trying to get through. what are the challenges are you facing on a day-to-day basis?

>> when we talk about. >> go ahead. >> we talk about creating jobs there are infrastructure needs across our country. yet in so many ways the congress failed i fails to act to support jobs. you can't outsource infrastructure jobs there are roads and brinls that need fixed. infrastructures across our country. we can do so much more with federal support for these types of projects. when it comes to public safety. where is our national response for the violence we see in the street. we have mayors united against gun violence looking for support from our representatives in congress when we had the tragedy, the tragedy of 9/11 there was an immediate national response. yet, when wing will to be safe on the street fought in the air. when we look to be safe on the street in our country, there is no similar national response between on any given year we are losing between 10 to 15,000

people. where is that response? we don't have a response because, unfortunately, bipartisanship has taken away the ability of us to work together in congress and i think the cities suffer and our country suffers bus of that. >> sam stein has a question. >> mayor, you mentioned gun violence. i was struck a few years ago the president used the state of the union to say gabby gifford deserves a vote on the gun protection measures. did it come up at all? are you disappointed by the absence in the speech? what does it say to turn these state of the union proposals into concrete legislative action? >> i'm less disappointed that it didn't come up in the president's speech than i am if you go across the country, there are simple measures common sense measures that the vast majority of the american public supports that would improve gun

safety. yet the congress is letting the gun lobby win the day and not taking any steps that would make our country safer. we have to physical out a way to do better for our communities. you know payors don't have that option. we just can't say. people are looking 40. they're looking for a direction that our country is going in. while the republicans are doing a victory lap after this mid-term election. they have to understand that no is not a direction and our country wants to be moved forward and they have to start coming up with some alternatives because just saying no is fought going to be enough going into 2016. >> all right. mayor stephanie rawlings-blake. good to see you. congressman paul ryan is up next on "morning joe." stay with us 's your favorite kind of cheerios? honey nut. but... chocolate is my other favorite... but apple cinnamon is my favorite too... and fruity... oh yeah, and frosted!

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. >> today our businesses export more than ever exporters tend to pay their workers higher wages. but as we speak, coin wants to write the rules for the fastest run region. that would put our workers and our businesses at a disadvantage. why would we let that happen? we should write those rules. we should level the playing feel. that's why i'm asking both parties to give pe trade promotion authority to protect american workers with strong new trade deals from asia to europe that aren't just free but also fair, it's the right thing to do. >> welcome back 44 past the hour. joining us now, the 2012 republican vice presidential nominee, chairman of the house ways an means committee, congressman paul ryan of wisconsin, good to have you on the sew, paul. >> good morning, mica who are you doing this morning? >> pretty good. i have to say, we need to put the picture up.

we will do a vote here. chuck likes the beard look. >> i loo tick beard, reall know the reason behind the beard, i don't want to talk about the reason why you shaved. >> i appreciate that. >> we are not talking about it. >> okay. >> we were talking about it. >> slow to trust. >> so paul congressman, you said you chose not the run for president. one of the reasons is that you want to stay on ways an means, finish the job there. i guess that's a hopeful sign that maybe you think there is some optimism to be had object what can get done. my question to you is what do you do to lead back and work with this president and where are the opportunities for some kind of common drowned that will lead to action? >> your leading is the perfect example. trade. i agree with every word with respect to trade and asia and

getting in there, helping write the rules, instead of china negotiating the rules. on a trade agreement with asian nations, 40% of global gdp. this means more exports for us. this is something we had to get on top of. i agree with him on that. we'll see if we can get a tax reform package done. i'm glad he sort of held back on the partisanship and demagoguesry demagoguery. i have to say the guy the a gifted communicator. there is so much i got out of that, aside the democrats don't have anybody in the stable who can match that. but he gave a very good speech, a gifted speech. i think there were some areas of common ground there. what worries me a little bit about this speech though mica is sort of the alternative of the universe who painted on like the economy and foreign policy. if you were living on a

different planet the last six years and parachuted in you'd think everything is great that is fought the case. i actually believe he believes this alternative foreign universe on the economy and we've got a lot of work to do to fix these things. i worry he thinks things are going fine we have to stay with what we are doing. i disagree with that is there very interesting answer chuck taught. >> congressman, you sound like you are looking to this tax form debate. you sound more excited the president is ready to engage on this, it means you as ways an means chair might be able to do something that hasn't been done in a generation. at that time rewrite the tax cut? >> look. he offered a big tax increase. he knows we are not going to do that. i'm glad he dialed down on the partisan rhetoric on that yesterday. because he knows we are not going to raise taxes. the last thing the economy needs a big tax increase. i think the secret with more

opportunity getting people for welfare to work growing this economy is tax reform. it's a crewed up tax code. we need to fix it. the great agreements in the past sb bipartisan reagan worked in congress. >> do you think it's the only way? >> it's not the only way, it's what we have flight. look, i don't want to waste two years waiting for another chance. i want to see what we can get done now. >> gosch that. >> jerpy peters. >> congressman, i want to switch to 2016 here. your former running mate is talking about running again. he said he would want to make poverty a key component of a presidential campaign. i wonder do you think that pitt romney the candidate of 47% i like to fire people corporations or people you can he credibly make a case that he can solve poverty? >> because i know who mitt rommie is. i know what's in his heart. i know what he feels an believes

in a man and family. there is a man deeply concerned of those less fortunate. this is a guy that wants to see everybody in this country reach their potential. look, i spent a lot of time on this issue. you may know it's near and dear to my heart. it's one of the reasons i am staying on as ways an means, fought doing other things. i think this country has to address poverty head on. i spoke to mitt a lot about this over the last couple years. i know he understands an agrees with that. look, i don't know what he is going to do. i don't think he has made a decision. i don't want to get out ahead of him. let me say this, it is a very good thing for this country on both parties to start debating how we fix poverty. we have to stop measuring things by how many programs we create. we need to have our results, are we getting people out of the poverty? the more people that bring this debate up, the better off we are. >> some stein here congressman. when you talk to the people at the white house about the state of the union speech last night. what they say is the

disagreement with republicans is not own e over the specific provisions, it's about how to pay for those predictions, i'd like this ask you, straight up straight up ideal universe, all the money in the world didn't have to quibble over that. could the republicans get behond the child care tax credit expanding the earned income tax credit? are those provisions from the president you could support in that type of ideal world? >> some yes, some no is the answer to your the quick answer to your question. >> which ones -- >> let me give you an example. one of martyr waysfof smarter ways of getting people from welfare 0to work. i think the eitc if done correctly and the fraud taken out of it is a really good thing to pull people in and expanding eitc to workers, mirrors the

president's proposal. i think there are area was can find common ground. some we'd probably say no to but some are a yes. we want to get a transportation bill done and know wep need to do this. the highway trust fund is going bankrupt this spring. so there are things i do think we can find common ground on and what helps is low are the partisanship lower the demagoguery. by the way if republican bes don't agree with you, don't impugn their motives and he didn't do that this much. he had veto threats. that's a good start. let's really work hard trying to find common ground and don't take our proposals out of context. graft on something you notice we don't like and then offer it. it does bode well for getting things done and i hope the tone continues to makes it easier for us to reach common ground a. hopeful, positive optistic paul ryan. chuck? >> uncle milty? are you referring to milton freeman as uncle milty? >> sorry.

affectionate turn. >> milton burrell, milton freeman, they run together. >> so good to see you. still ahead, senators thune and bernie sanders coming up. and vice president biden is talking about the shooting outside of his house in delaware. we're back in just a moment.

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is fine. >> all right. before we go to break, chuck todd, do you think the patriots were cheating? >> here's the thing. i think bill belichick is probably doing things that many coaches in the '50s, '60s and '70s did. >> you're saying yes? >> i think he's doing what many -- gets extra scrutiny. guess what? he didn't play by the rules once before and when you develop that you get a reputation whether you like that or not. his problem is his guilty until proven innocent. up next many say this year's state of the union address was president obama's speech was must more ambitious. we'll be right back. ♪ music ♪ ...the getaway vehicle!

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we are 15 years into this new century. 15 years that donned with terror touching our shores that unfolded with a new generation fighting two long and costly wars. that saw a vicious recession spread across our nation and the world. it has been and still is a hard time for many, but tonight we turn the page.

tonight, after a breakthrough year for america, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. good morning. it is wednesday, january 21st. with us on set in washington, d.c. senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post sam stein. abc news political commentator analyst cokie roberts. white house correspondent for the "wall street journal" kara lee and the hoefrt and manager of tv ones daily morning show roland martin. i saw you tweeting about all of this being crazy and it will be because i just asked cokie very sweetly, i said what was your favorite thing about the president's speech last night? and she looked at me and snapped and said my favorite thing? what favorite thing? you do have a favorite thing. >> my favorite thing is the whole scene. i do love the hall of the house

of representative the flag. the vice president, the speaker. the majority of -- >> george washington -- >> i do love all that and the people who stand on the aisle like that for hours, days i think elliott ingles stands there, and i find that just hysterical. >> well, i -- i have a lot of exciting thoughts on this. we're going to move on with our great panel and talk about what happened last night here in washington, d.c. the president has just two years left in office but last night he addressed congress with bold proposals. he says will lift up the middle class. speaking to a packed chamber the president framed his agenda as practical, not partisan and patted the administration on the back for policies already in place. >> and every step, we were told our goals ss ss were misguided or too ambitious that we would crush jobs and explode deficits. instead we've seen the fastest

economic growth in over a decade. our deficits cut by two-thirds a stock market that has doubled and health care inflation at its lowest rate in 50 years. this is good news, people. so -- so -- so the verdict is clear. middle class economics works. >> he definitely had some very confident, fun moments. oh yeah. there was -- the president touted though a number of plans that had been leaked or slowly rolled out in the days prior. he call ford shifting the tax burden away from middle class family better child care improved sick leave, equal wages for men and women, free community college and a minimum wage increase. >> nothing helps families make ends meet like higher wages.

that's why this congress still needs to pass a law that makes sure a woman is paid the same as a man for doing the same work. this is 2015. it's time. we still need to make sure employees get the overtime they've earned. and -- and everyone in this congress who still refuses to raise the minimum wage i say this -- if you truly believe you could work full time and support a family on less than $15,000 a year, try it. if not, vote to give millions of the hardest working people in america a raise. ronan and i just had a moment. you and i connected on that. i literally from my chair watching that line, i said thank you. thank you for saying that. if you -- if you can live on that wage go ahead and try it. all of you out there. >> it's not like they worked at much the last three or four

years, and so -- they probably give some money back. >> on sick leave, speaking of sick leave joe, his entire family are out with the flu, which has us here in washington ourselves at the helm here but i liked -- >> he ran away with the flu? >> actually i'm worried about them. they've had flu for weeks and now it's back and raging. the president took what some critics dismiss as a rosy view on foreign policy touting the success of america's sanctions in dealing with russia and he cited america's progress in containing isis while calling for an authorization of use of force from congress. >> in iraq and syria, american leadership including our military power is stopping isil's advance. instead of getting dragged into another ground war in the middle east, we are leading a broad coalition, including arab nations, to degrade and ultimately destroy this terrorist group. >> so just as notable was what

wasn't in the speech. there was no mention of al qaeda. the president barely spent any time on the events in ferguson missouri and new york that have sparked mass protests across the country. and he did little more than mention immigrationee reform in spite of taking broad and controversial executive action last year but did call for a less toxic era of politics drawing in bipartisan applause and at times found his swagger. especially during this off the cuff exchange with republicans. >> i have no more campaigns to run. my only agenda -- i know, because i won both of them. >> yes. that was cute nap was good. >> every comedian i know say it. drop the mike walk off the stage. >> i'm done. perfect times to come back no response. >> so let's go around the table, start with cokie on -- first of all, no mention of al qaeda, and

on foreign policy with the president strong enough? given the fact that i think he he's still held accountable for that jv team comment? >> and now asking for an authorization of force which is going to be very very tough to come by mainly among his own democrats. so he's, i think does need to make the case more strongly that this is a direct threat to the homeland, and that this is something that congress needs to do. >> overall, the speech seemed like a speech you would give earlier on in a presidency? >> or later. >> or later. okay. >> i mean, i saw this speech as the platform for the 2016 election. a lot of people thought the democrat shos have run on these issues in 2014. a lot of them made the mistake of not doing it. and he is now looking at his partisan legacy. he's lost almost 70 members of congress, scored of democrats around the country, and he's setting the agenda for the democratic party going into the

next election. >> carol lee what was the strategy? it seemed very positive at times. i mean, i liked it a lot, obviously, but it seemed like he was trying to send a message like come on? >> yeah. they were trying to be much more optimistic as opposed to confrontational, that was the overall goal of the speech which he kind of undermined with certain little ad-libs here and there. >> it wasn't controversial. it was straight democratic party speech to a joint session of congress. >> well, the tone in the sense that at the end of the speech he went on this whole nostalgic rift about being one america and hearkening back to working together and those themes they want to drive home, but you're right. it was a very in the president's ideal world, this is what he would do. what i found interesting is he declared the recession and crisis over and pinpointed one part not working which is for the middle class.

in that sense the two parties seemed to be coalescing around that idea, and the question is not what the debate's going to be about in 2016 and in the next year but what the prescriptions are going to be from the two sides? >> roland? >> drives me crazy when we have the state of the union speeches middle class, middle class, middle class. are there no other americans? that's obviously important. you obviously did not hear poor along those lines but he started off with the economy and interesting went right to the narrative. the woman, rebekah sitting between the woman and jill biden, talked about worked in construction housing went down go back to community college to get retrained and did lay out in terms of republicans, okay. where can we ay glee? the community college ainitiative he used what was happening in tennessee. red state. laid it out. republican legislature, governor, 57,000 students 90% of all high school graduates wanted to do it.

also, when he brought up the issue of infrastructure. same issue. traditionally both sides said let's rebuild america. pinpointed where we could work together. he should have brought up crim nah justice. republicans have come around on the fisk's side makes no sense. he could have said people in the house and senate you cut citizen reform cut when it comes to mandatory minimums and then i'll sign it. >> you bring up things he's pushing forward, by the way, i loved the nod to the cop. that was important, in the big picture. >> and to the folks at the, the protesters. a lot of folks who voted for him. >> exactly. yes. sam stein, though, do you think there is -- there is a bit of this is what we didn't get done when he starts bringing up the middle class and certain parts of the economy that are really -- >> i think cokie actually got to a very interesting point here which is that there is a need and i think satisfied some with this speech to sort of restock the policy cupboard for

democrats. part has to do with the fact there have been legislative successes from this administration. no longer it the leading democratic candidate on a ticket say he we need to pursue universal health care reform. it's happened whether you like it or not. immigration reform. we've been in the debate two years. it's going to be difficult to relitigate that in another year when we're going in the president's campaign. there was a need there for the party to restock its policy cupboard and i think this is what the speech was intended to do was to give them a blueprint, give them a set of ideas. around which they were call us. they might not all agree, pursue their own. certainly house democrats have done variation of this idea but i think that was the goal saying this is a modern view of how we can do family politics how question do work politics and the question now is how do you pay for it? >> we'll get to the republican response, but there were so many. like, how does -- how does -- which one was the republican -- how do you -- >> the "official" one?

>> that was joni ernst? >> uh-huh. and then an official one in spanish. >> okay. and then -- >> and then the rest were free lancing. why? >> because that's where the republican party is right now. >> doesn't that show how fractured they are? >> of course. >> just checking. >> that's the way democrats used to be. >> okay. i thought it was strange, but, n.o.w., a slew of responses to the presidential address. hillary clinton tweeted support for the president's middle class message. >> no surprise. >> of course she did, but her positive presidential foe democrat jim webb wasn't a fan, and though the president called for a "better politics" mitt romney blasted him for choosing politics over leadership. what? okay. the main televised response came from senator joni ernst on the job just two weeks who told her personal story of growing up working at hardy's wearing bread bags over her shoes, and in her speech she wasted little time in "posing the president.

>> we'll also keep fighting to repeal and replace a health care law that's hurt so many hard working families. we'll work to correct executive overreach. we'll propose ideas that aim to cut wasteful spending and balance the budget with meaningful reform not higher taxes, like the president has proposed. >> all right. republican congressman carlos car carbelo gave his in spanish, highlighting a rift in the party. likely presidential candidate senator rand paul gave his own take striking a populist tone. racial income disparateity and highlighting unrest. >> my trips to ferguson detroit, atlanta and chicago reveal wlad i call an undercurrent of unease.

there is a tension that has become visible in the protests in every american city as congressman john lewis put it, there is growing discontent in this country. >> still it wouldn't be a state of the union without some kind of gaffe. so thank you senator ted cruz. he had that. his office actually did it. i feel bad for him. this happens. right? >> we've all had -- >> making my texas look bad. >> okay. so he had this -- video editing team that posted his video that was eventually taken down from youtube, but it came out all wrong. take a look. >> the president tried to say his policies are lifting the middle class and yet today median incomes have stagnated for over a decade. let me start over.

tonight america saw a powerful demonstration that it is time to move on beyond president barack obama. >> ah -- a crew staffer tweeted, yes, sometimes it takes him two takes but not often. luckily, the guy is actually a very gifted orator. he can go on and on and on and on without notes, and so -- but it's -- come on guys. just put the right video up. come on. >> it happens. >> i'm furious. >> texas, daggone. texans don't like to look bad. >> joni ernst was the official republican response and i've got to tell you relative to other republican responses i've seen. >> or democratic ones. >> or democratic ones i think she was really good. do i agree with everything she said no. but it's a hard it's a terrible position. >> it's a ridiculous position. you have the hall of the house of representatives with all of

its history and pomp and ceremony and everybody cheering and then you go to some poor soul aflown a room with a teleprompter. >> yes. it's an awful experience. >> and she was clearly quite nervous, but she didn't do anything to embarrass herself which is a victory. >> exactly. >> that's why, when governor bob mcdonald, was governor of virginia, that was the best response. he did it in the chamber, the audience is there. >> he's gifted on that. >> right. >> the only way you remember -- >> you have to be governor to do that. >> is if they screw up or go and drink water. there's no -- no way to break through that. i think cokie's right. it's just a thankless position. >> and water, that was marco rubio. i felt -- felt for him, because he really -- you don't don't know what that's like until you've done it. >> sure. being thirsty. >> no. until you've done it and you think you know when you've practiced there nothing like sitting in a room with a live

camera on you having to talk and it really does sometimes it's debilitating. >> and after this big event. >> yeah. the president. and on top of it what did she do before? she wasn't on television. she doesn't have -- novlgts. she did fine. very smart of republicans to pubtput her out. >> really smart. she delivered. >> she's a veteran a female. >> she wore cool shoes. >> she did. she would coal shoes and all things the party needs. much more still ahead on "morning joe," senator john thune, congressman joaquin castro and senator bernie sanders are all coming up but first here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> we are watching winter returning in a big way in the next week or two. first a horrible mong commute around cleveland, akron, moderate snowfall only 29 degrees.degree

degrees same with pittsburgh. later tonight moving towards the mid-atlantic. the drive home not too fun. winter weather advisory from d.c. to baltimore to philadelphia. i really think it's baltimore to philly with the best chance of picking up a quick two inches and that will be at the tail end of the evening rush into into this evening's activities. the next story, a storm in arizona. new mexico hammered. rain the next two days. saturday, this comes up the coast. looks like a full blown nor'easter for areas of saturday evening. saturday afternoon, sunday a winter storm this weekend. a shot of new york city. only three inches of snow this winter. who knows. we could easily top that on saturday. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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a better politics? one where democrats abandon their agenda or republicans simply embrace mine. a better politics is one where we appeal to each other's basic decency instead of our basic fears. a better politics is one we debate without demonizing each other, one where we spend less time drowning in dark ads that pull sbus the gut perp that's a better politics. that's how we start rebuilding trust. that's how we move this country forward. that's what the american people want. and that's what they deserve. welcome back. we're live in washington. here with us now chairman of the republican national

committee reince priebus. good to have you on set. >> good to be here. >> discuss my debating position later. >> okay. we're work on it. >> bert politics. a dig at you guys or what do you think the president meant? >> you know i'm not sure. hearing that clip talking about dark money and politics and talking about bipartisanship and practice but not in reality, maybe i'm getting cynical about some of this stuff, but -- >> no. you? reince? cynical? >> at this point, the president doesn't actually have to deliver the speech. you could actually e-mail it out and we could read it. i hope that i mean the good parts, i hope that the president is serious. you know? about working together. i think that we could get a lot done. i think if the president went down to mitch mcconnell's office and said let's start with those 360 bills, many of which were drafted by democrats. many passed with a bipartisan vote i think you could find common ground i just don't believe that the president

actually wants to mind to common ground. i don't think he does care about dark money and politics because he raised more than anybody, so even the things he believes in i question whether he actually cares a whole lot about it. >> let me ask you this -- >> and the rest of the world, you have -- you have -- we know what's happening in regard to isis. we know what's happening in iraq. we know what's happeni in yeppen and syria. russia is blowing ships into havana. so this alternative universe in regard to foreign policy. the problem a guy like me and people like us have is that he's a hard person to believe at this point. whether it be things you think he should believe in like dark money and politics, or -- >> here's the problem. >> foreign policy. >> i think the same could be said for your party, and so -- >> but he's the leader. he has to lead and it's not easy to lead. i'm not suggesting it's easy. >> i agree. ryne priebus, you sound conciliatory and sensible i would say, some might argue, members of your own party don't

sthund way. is that true? ways your party could improve so something could be done and work with the president? >> always room for improvement on both sides. nobody is perfect. it takes an extraordinary leader in america in the white house, to bring people together to bang heads together and say, well, let's try to figure this out. you know paul ryan in his response, on television last night. one of the things he said yeah we can find common ground on loopholes, find -- it's not like people are coming out swinging here trying to figure how we can just blow all of this off. but i think it really does take a president who believes in the things that he says in theory but to take it into practice. >> is there a way of -- is there a way of calling him ton? a way that the republicans can say, all right, mr. president, let's do this. let's -- pick one. >> certainly. i mean i do -- and i go back to this as a theme because i do think we've got some common ground that was sitting on harry

reid's desk to start with. >> like what? >> keystone pipeline is one. look at that bill. you've had multiple democrats already out there supporting it. you had mary landrieu -- >> yeah trying to get it done on her own. >> didn't happen. >> and a dozen democrats vote for the 40-hour workweek last week and the president immediately said i'm going to veto both of these things. well what can you believe in? >> can i ask you about immigration reform? in the official gop response it wasn't mentioned but in the official spanish language gop response is was. a cynic might read into that a little but i'm not a cynic. can you explain what happened? >> i did an actuality, too, sent it out to all affiliates to take clips. no today's political world you're going have if you look on the democrat side you're going to see almost every senator and every congressman send out a press release with that response. it's not strange to have

multiple people giving multiple responses. >> why not immigration in the official response? in english? >> because i think -- the president's kind of screwed things up in regard to immigration reform by overreaching, by taking his executive action and i think he -- by his own -- >> wouldn't that be why you'd bring it up in the response? >> well, you know what? we've been talking about this executive amnesty action the president's taken illegally for a long time. until that gets resolved it's very difficult to go back and conduct any other kind of immigration refor. look i'm not the policy guy. i certainly have a lot of opinions you can tell but i do think it comes back to leadership, and i think -- one thing i want to say that i think is, i'm being genuine. we want a strong president. we want the president to lead and to shine abroad. we need him to shine abroad. he's not. and i think even people that are on the democratic side of the aisle would agree with me. i think that's what we right now desperately need in america in this world, a foreign policy

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welcome back to "morning joe." 32 past the hour. joining us now member of the house arms services committee. democratic congressman joaquin castro of texas and syndicated column ummist and longtime capitol hill reporter bob franken and on capitol hill, member of the finance committee, republican senator john thune of south dakota. go to you have all onboard. bob, get rid of it. get rid of it? >> every time it comes on the ratings for the cooking channel skyrocket. i think that -- a big number of people are starting to not watch, and why should they? first of all, we know what's going to happen way ahead of it and there's nothing new about this year. it's the kind of thing there are lyrics to the anxious reporters

who are waiting for any crumbs they can get, so you know what's going to be in it. you have all the people barely maintaining their dignity, at best, who are on the house floor. and then you have a president saying whatever's he's going to say and then you have those of us who are in the media reporting it as very hush terms. like we're doing a golf match or something. >> oh, my goodness. >> so i'm saying, you know what? let's replace it with "hee-haw" or something. >> are you barely maintaining your -- >> i tried hard. state of the union is one of the few evings moments, where the president addresses the nation throughout the year. i still think there's an important role for the president to at least talk about his agenda. >> and his vision for whatever time left. and senator, get to you on this because we have breaking news that we're following this morning out of yemen. presidential aides tell the associated press that shiite rebels are now holding yemen's

president captive. they say he can't leave the palace. rebels have laid siege to the capital city of sanaa since september, but violence boiled over the last couple of days. the ap site's advisers who say the country's security hey been crippled. yep sn a critical ally in the u.s. anti-terror effort abroad. senator thune, rydei'd like to go to you in response to the president's comments dealing with them. no strategy and should be bombing more. what should our strategy be against isis and pushing back extremism? >> to win, go in and degrade isis in all forms of extremeism. it's a dangerous world, mika. you see that in the papers every day. sometimes they don't fully understand and grasp what we're up against in their willingness to express that at least. we have to do everything we

possibly can to protect americans and that means military power. obviously that means doing everything we can do get, building a coalition. the proceed tuck the president talked about that last night. it's ongoing something we'll live with a long time. the sooner we come to how sthaers threat is the better off we'll be. >> this is for the senator and for the congressman. one of the issues with respect to isis is an authorization for use of military force and i think the key disagreement, which was seen last night, too, whether or not the president himself should submit specific language to the congress and have them vote on that language or whether congress should be part of the process in coming up with the language itself. senator, first where do you stand on that and what would you like to see from the white house? >> right sam. i'd like to see the president actually put forward a proposal. obviously there's pretty broad agreement we need one, although it's mixed. when he announced that on the floor, a little mixed applause

but i think everybody recognizes that we need a new authorization and that it short originate with the white house and i think the president would find republicans in congress willing to work with him on that but he is the commander in chief. he's the guy in charge of this. and it seems to me at least that's where it ought to start. >> is that where you come down on this one? >> no. i think that's about right, and i think the debate in congress will be about how broad or narrow that authorization in military force is. we want to make sure that many of us want to make sure that, it's narrowly tailored so we don't end up in yore war for ten years. >> well, you talk about, everybody talks about a more muscular response because we're repelled by the various extremist muslim groups but what does that mean? does it mean boots on the ground? >> senator thune? >> well look i think that in the end, it's what it takes to win, bob, but my own view is i'd like to see us do everything we can to get our allies in the region, and some of the security

forces of the countries that are affected by this to be more engaged, and that's right now what the effort entails. >> let me interrupt. you're saying whatever it takes to win. does that specifically mean boots on the ground? an iraq kind of commitment? >> i certainly would hope that it does not. but i think that we have to be prepared to defeat this threat and if we don't, we're going see it on our own shores and we're seeing it all over the world today. this is not going away. and it's going to take american leadership and american fire power to defeat it. >> jeremy peters? >> i want to talk about the senator and the congressman, about this notion that the american voter right now is extremely restless and shown a willingness to throw elected officials out of office in their first temples. so that's led to this mind-set in congress where a lot of lawmakers believed that they have the chance to recapture control of congress the next time around. pick up -- regain what they lost, and i think that is contributing right now to a mind-set of let's think about

2016 in both parties. do you think right now that there is actually the willingness to get things done or are you just looking towards the next election and we're going to have another two years just like the last four? >> well i guess -- senator i hope we can be productive and the congressman -- you know when you're in the minority obviously you're looking at the next election because you want to get in the majority. meantime, we have work to do for the american people and the president lloyd out an ambitious and expensive agenda, but there you thing confession agree on. we believe we ought to be working on great jobs grow the middle class, the economy, raise income take-home pay and a lot of things to do in the next two years. hopefully we can put politics aside for a while and focus on an agenda good for the american people. >> congressman, do you concur and surprised you didn't hear more about immigration last

night? >> i do think, there was a survey i think a few months ago that showed that the american people are more worried, or more concerned about politicians than they are about the economy. at some point this anxiety is drinken by the fighting gridlock and shutdowns that have given the american people high blood pressure and that's where a lot of our issue is right now. i'm optimistic that republicans and democrats can work together. this, after all, is the congress that the american people elected. this is the president the american people re-elected. as to the issue of immigration, of course i noticed that the president didn't spend much time on it last night, but i think he's made his positions very clear having issued two executive actions now that have covered millions of undocumented folks. so he stated his positions very clearly. >> congressman you say, work together. everybody says we can work together but work together on what? what is it that possibly could come up way compromise since you have such diametrically opposed views? >> that's a great question also.

first criminal justice reform. look at the efforts senators cory booker and rand paul put forward and also in light of recent events that is the first subject matter that i would go to do try to find common ground. >> but in any case, you're saying there are ways to find common ground even though the stated positions of the two sides are poles apart? >> yes. if the next few years work well or work at all, you will hopefully have a situation that is akin to what president clinton had with the republican congress in the 1990s. where there were still deep disagreements but some policy matters where they could come together. >> all right. congressman joaquin castro and senator john thune, thank you so much. good to you have on the show. bob franken, stay with us. still ahead, netflix finds a lot more viewers. 4 million more. how they are doing it. next, in business before the bell. plus independent senator bernie sanders will be our guest. we're back in just a moment.

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they could announce an up to a $1 trillion quantitative easing basically a stimulus plan for europe, which some say is a house of cards, which leads us to our next story and last one, netflix a big quarter, added 4.5 million new customers last quarter. better than expected. people loved their original programs. like the show set where you are and also that new show based on the popular children's swimming game. >> ah, the -- wait. what's that? >> "marco polo." >> i've watched it. >> really? is it good? >> it's all right. >> netflix is brilliant. got to tell you. brian sullivan thank you so much. great to see you. see you soon. storm on "morning joe," bill and melinda gates will be our guests. up next senator bernie sanders with his take on the president's proposals for the middle class. we're back in just a moment. you owned your car for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together.

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joining us now from capitol hill, member of the senate budget committee, independent senator bernie sanders of vermont. very good to have you on the show sir. >> good to be here. >> so let's start with what you you -- what was the best part of the president's speech last night, and what did you think wab the weakest? >> well i think the best spot was the president's recognition that, in fact, we are in much better shape than we six years ago when bush left office and when we losing 700,000 jobs a month. i think the weakest part is that there was not a full recognition that while we have made enormous progress, the reality is that real unemployment mika is not 5.5%. it is 11% including those people who have given up looking for work and are working part-time. youth unemployment remains 18%, and it's part of a 40-year

trajectory the american middle class continues to decline, and we need very bold action -- okay. >> so looking at those numbers and also add wages to the pod here and did the pot here. has the president suggested anything that will address those two issues that will actually get through congress that will pass that he can agree with republicans on? >> the question is whether thess agree with the american people. the american people are clear we need to rebuild our crumbling restructure and if we do that we can create millions of decent paying jobs and clear that college today is unaffordable and we need bold action to make for affordable. the issue, can we rally the american people to stand up for the middle class, rather than continue to give tax breaks to the wealthy and large corporations? >> the president's going on the road to sell this proposaling. bob franken, though i think the

question is, what is the actual -- what can get done? what is actually going to get through? >> well i -- senator, the impression people get is that nothing is going get through. you have all of these proposals that are made, and then you have a rejection of them by the other side which is the republicans in this case. why even bother with these proefl s proposals? why not come up with more limited ones that at least can start the ball rolls in the right direction? >> the answer is the country faces very, very serious problems that need serious solutions. the republican proposal cut social security cut medicare and give tax breaks to the rich. our job is to rally the american people to give the republicans something they have got to move forward on because that's what the american people want. >> but, senator, let me repeat what the republican point of view, which is if you, in fact come up with the policies that are unfriendly to what they call the job creators the expansion is going to stop.

>> yes, that's called trickle down economics, what the first bsh eded voodoo economics. there is no historical foundation for that point of view. it a wrong point of view. >> sam stein? >> a bit of a contradiction liberals pointed out to in the wake of the speech that the speech largely focused on middle class economics contained with it a line about pushing these trade authorities, these trade agreements with china, for instance and other countries. it has progressives like yourself worried because of little transparency what's in the deals. let me ask you, senator what would you need? what assurances would you need from the administration to get on board something like promotion authority and these deals specifically? >> when mika asked me what are the weak points of the president's speech i would say the trans-pacific partnership. look, the truth of the matter is

that nafta, catfta relations with china, disastrous. we lost 60,000 factories in america, not all associated with trade, but i expect a lot of it has been associated with trade and millions of decent paying jobs. if you have disastrous trade agreements, one after another, why would you want to build on those poorly constructed agreements and go forward with an even bigger one? i don't think so. >> my question, though, is what kind of assurances could you be given? are there any assurances given from the administration that would make you believe you wouldn't be building off the past? >> if the administration could tell us clearly for the first time a trade agreement that would grow jobs rather than see factories go down and go to vietnam i would give it thought. in fact the president hasn't even bothered to make that case because it's not a case that you

can maim . . -- can make. >> senator, just before you go i'm curious about what you think about some of the 2016 names that have come up in the news including mitt romney looking very seriously about jumping back in for a third run for the presidency? >> well, i think, you know, people have a right to bring forth their names and run for president of the united states. the american people will make the final decision on that. >> that inchuds you. that includes you? >> that includes me. >> senator bernie sanders, thank you very much. that does it for "morning joe." "the rundown" picks things up in just a moment. have a great day.

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