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hen you hear some republicans complain that obama's talk of compromise won't lead to any action you've got to remember that's the way they want it. all right. that is my take on the state of the union. what is yours? you can tell me on facebook or instagram at ari melber. you can weigh in. what would the country look like without the great recession? last night we may have found out. it's wednesday, january 21st, and this is "now." >> president obama displaying renewed swagger. >> this was a born again obama. >> the president confidently calling for action even if little is likely. >> an ambitious agenda. >> laying down a marker for his legacy. >> democrats looked like they were attending a revival.
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republicans liked ed looked like they were going to a funeral. >> republicans realize they're in control and they have to govern. >> this is the state of the union. not the state of the democrat party. >> it was a campaign style state of the union. >> this is not the end game. this is where we start. middle-class economics, if there was a theme last night, that was it. >> middle-class economics works. that's what middle-class economics is. >> what specifically are middle-class economics? president obama offered a few ideas. >> my plan will make quality child care more available and more affordable. send me a bill that gives every worker in america the opportunity to earn seven days of paid sick leave. make sure a woman is paid the
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same as a man doing the same work. lower the cost of community college to zero. let's pass a bipartisan infrastructure plan. close the loopholes that lead to inequality by allowing the top 1% to avoid paying taxes. >> as andrew sullivan wrote, this is a speech that revealed to us the president we might have had without the extraordinary crises foreign and domestic that he inherited. according to "the new york times," mr. obama was speaking not just to the present, but to the future. to the 2016 presidential elections and even beyond. hillary clinton cannot ignore them now. joining me now is secretary of housing and urban development.
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thanks for joining me on a big postgame day. >> thanks a lot, alex. it's great to be with you. the president did an excellent job last night of laying out, as you said his agenda for middle-class economics with a series of values that we stand for in the united states and also policy proposals that the congress ought to consider. >> let me ask you, is this the 2016 democratic playbook? >> i certainly believe that in 2016 whoever runs republican or democrat they're going to be running on a stronger economy, an obama economy that has picked up momentum and these proposals are going to be part of the conversation, whether it is free community college or ensuring that women get paid for the same work that they do as men.
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these policy proposals strike at the heart of creating opportunity for americans who work hard and play by the rules to enter and stay in the middle class. in that sense, yeah i think they'll be a part of the conversation. >> i wonder if you can speak to a sense of frustration that some democrats have that as yet it's unlike thatly that the republican congress is going to work with democrats on any of these legislative ideas, so they remain very much an abstract. i wonder if the promise of middle-class economics is enough to outweight the disappointment of them not going to fruition any time soon. >> this president is willing to work with this congress where there's common ground to be had. folks on the republican side of the aisle, there are tons of americans who would benefit from
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free community college and investment and information or a reduction in the mortgage insurance premium. that makes me believe that aside from the partisan rhetoric that you hear out there, it's worth those republicans taking these proposals seriously. and i was encouraged by some of the comments last night in the number of shows that were on analyzing the state of the union. there were some encouraging words. i also think in places like trade and cybersecurity, those are twofer fertile grounds. >> can i ask you specifically where you felt there was encouragement from both sides of the aisle? >> of course i was there last night in the chamber. that was the second time i had been there. i was there in 2012. i have to tell you that you
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could feel the difference in 2015 versus 2012 not only in terms of the confidence that the president has because we have seen america's economy turn around, but in the reception from the republicans. they were much more in a -- certainly not jumping up and down about these policy proposals, but you can tell they're not as eager to get out there and snipe in exactly the same way. a lot was made of one part of the speech i think, where folks may have been clapping there's going to be a new president now and the president won't be running again, but the mood i got in there, the sense that i got, was that the republicans understand that they're going to have to contend with a middle-class economic agenda that the president has laid out that is very popular with american people. it strikes at the heart of
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creating opportunity in the united states and they're going to have to contends with it. >> democrats in the white house are going to have to contend with the fact that republicans own congress. >> it takes two to tango for sure, in terms of getting something done. my hope is we will get something done. we're also doing what we can. for instance over at fha we're lowering the mortgage insurance premium. they're going to save an average of $900 per year. it's going to stimulate about 250,000 more borrowers into the fha so they can own a home over the next three years. these are things that don't need congressional a a approval that we
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can get done. >> you have heard a lot of talk about hillary clinton. your brother was asked my chris matthews last night whether any one of the castro brothers was going on the ticket with hillary clinton. it wasn't him. are you going to be on the ticket if 2016? >> my brother, always getting me in trouble. >> that's what brothers are for. >> he's trying to do a great job as congressman. i'm trying to do a great job at hud. >> we'll follow back up with you as the months progress. secretary of housing and urban development, thanks for your time. with me now is michael sharer. let's first talk about middle-class economics. the minute the president said that, i think a lot of folks said, that's going to be the thing we hear a lot in the
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course of the next two years. do you think he has taken away sort of the idea of the middle class and being the party of the middle class from the republicans? >> i think he has successfully done that for about eight years now. in 2008 he beat john mccain on that score. in 2012, he beat mitt romney on that score. i think democrats have consistently out messaged republicans. what you have seen over the last year is republicans have gotten much better at talking about this. that phrase and some of the proposals that the president put out are very much about the next arms race here going into 2016. i think the republican party and republican candidates have gotten much better about this. it is unmistakable that this frustration from the middle class that their wages have been stagnant, they're falling
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further and further behind it is the very central domestic issue. wages remained flat through all of last year. unless we have a big foreign policy crisis and that takes over the conversation in 2016 this will be front and center. >> in terms of who sort of benefitted from the president's speech last night, i think there's a broadly held sense that the democrats got a great set of road rules for the coming years. there is a lot of debate over whether hillary clinton is boxed in or sort of given running room now that the president has proposed what he has proposed. from your sense and your reporting in washington, i would language imagine that there has been some kind of notice given to hillary clinton maybe in the form of john pedesta.
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>> i think there is a lot. it is not just secret. hillary clinton tweeted last night her support for what obama was saying. she very much wants this baton. where the tension comes when you come to things like regulating wall street and some of these more difficult ideas to float with the donor class that's where more of the fighting is. hillary clinton is coming up with an agenda much like the president has that is designed to support popular things that republicans cannot support in 2016 that will establish her as the champion of the middle class, as the person who is taking on big money, whether it is wealth concentration or special interest publicolitics.
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she's going to be doing this. how far she goes on some of the issues on wall street is still to be determined. >> you know a lot of folks have said the president proposed all of this in spite of the 2014 midterm drubing, but i wonder if there's some truth to the idea that this was actually -- this gave him the opportunity to say all the things he thought democrats didn't say. >> i think that's right. he may even actually have an easier time passing these trade deals through because of the 2014 drubing. i don't think if democrats controlled both houses of congress, president obama would have led with a big capital gains tax increase on the wealthy. that would be a tough thing for harry reid if he was controlling the senate to get through with 60 votes. i don't think he would have
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wanted to propose something that may not have made it through. i have no doubt this was very much a loser's address, a messaging address. it is an advantage. if you went back and talked to hillary clinton's advisers or democratic strategists in 2014 and got them in a moment of candor they would have all said they prefer republicans controlling congress for the last two years of the administration so that change didn't just mean getting republicans voting for republicans. the narrative would be a little more complicated. and i think that's what they got. >> thank you. always good to see you. >> thank you. five years ago today, the supreme court handed down the citizens united decision and this morning protesters wanted to make sure the court remembered. seven people shouted one person, one vote. the citizens united decision was wrong and it has caused real
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economy. >> the republican responses keep on coming. if the gop remains united in being bewildered by president obama's state of the union address, they were still divided enough to need five separate rebuttals last night. there was joni ernst. after the president ticked off a laundry list of agenda items, she offered one fully formed legislative proposal passing keystone along with general calls to repeal obamacare, rein in executive overreach. one thing she didn't mention, immigration. that was left to carlos car b carbello. no mention of what to do about the 11 million undocumented men and women already in this
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country. then there was the congressman curt. senator rand paul also gave his own youtube response. but it was really senator ted cruz who lived up to the grand ole party's tradition of incredibly awkward responses when his own staff uploaded his rebuttal flub to youtube. >> the president tried to say his policies are lifting the middle class and yet today median incomes have stagnated for over a decade. let me start over. >> joining me now is former bush speech writer david frum and michael steele. what does it tell us? what lesson can we glean from
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the five rebuttals last evening? >> iphone video technology is a powerful thing. i am amazed that there are only five rebuttals. the day is going to come when we're going to push back open up our democracy and the 310 million rebuttals within minutes. >> does that not dilute the message? i would also say substantively what did you make of them on whole? >> these messages, these responses, are always weak. i think it's being recognized as kind of a graveyard of political ambition to do them. they don't work. the contrast between the president with all the grandeur of that office and the person who is called on to deliver a response is just not going to work. maybe this diffusion of them is a way the opposition party to say, you know what? we need a different way to respond to this incredibly
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symbolic moment of the president addressing the country. >> i agree. >> michael steele is the republican party going to learn that lesson soon off, because they have fed their young stars to the wolves now, setting them up for a process that is almost unwinnable? >> when you had republicans in the white house, and i'm sure that republicans take the white house in 17 the democrats will have a rebuttal to that state of the union. >> i like your confidence. >> they should do away with the silly exercise altogether. if nothing else you have the leadership of the house or the senate do a response however they want to do it but they should be the voice of the
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party, of the opposition speaking to the president. i think this showcasing new talent is not the way to do it because as we have seen in recent years, when there's a flub, that becomes the story. the message gets lost. everything that you're trying to do gets way late. you're diluting the message because who should we go to understand exactly what the gop is about and where it is going to go? >> is it only the spanish speaking audience that the republican party sees fit to address immigration? maybe we were not meant to hear what he said, but i thought it was incredibly telling that was the only place where the topic was brought up. >> republicans as any out party are being drawn into the
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parallels of microparting. they seem like big shapeless mob lessless monsters. they were starting with stuff that was of the widest interest and then shrinking. he would go past the 60 minute mark and everybody would stop watching and turn to the next show. >> let me push back on that a little bit. isn't the subject of immigration interesting to people of the south and the tea party? >> it is an issue on which the republican party is divided, as probably are the democrats. parties don't tend to voluntarily take about issues that divide them. that's quite natural. there is microtargeting to constituencies. >> chairman if we're talking about microtargeting who is
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steve king targeting obama? that's not helping the conversation is it? >> deportable? i don't know what that word means. david has it right. the whole thing has become an exercise of microtargeting segmented communities of interest within a political organization. there is no consistent whole. there is no unifying message. there is no coalescing around ideas or values or substance of an issue. and so if we stay on this trend line, i think you're going to see something that's going to be very hard for a party nominee, for example, to overcome because at the end of the day you have got to take to way too many constituencies because they want to hear exactly what you're
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going to say to me about my thing. immigration was not part of the broader message and i think that was a mistake. >> if microtargeting the model is the gay marriage social issues is that only for the lgbt republican response? these are major issues right? we didn't hear substantive from the gop on any of them. >> what i was struck by with the president's speech is by how much microtargeting he was doing. he emphasized the extraordinarily punitive nature of the tax increases he was going to impose. when he spoke to the country as a whole, he skirted past that. >> you feel like his middle-class tax cuts were not a central part of the state of the union speech? >> they're not really tax cuts. they're spending delivered through the tax code but the tax increases, that was the
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thing getting the faithful really excited in the 24 hours before the speech. when it came to talk to the whole nation -- you would be only hazily aware of the very large tax increases that are coming, including the collapse of the college savings plans that a lot of families have relied upon. >> the national review, not known to be the loyal faithful said that republicans could learn a few things if president obama's state of the union address. it has no chance of being enacted by a republican congress. he is trying to influence the future of politics, including the 2016 elections, in order to advance these ideas over a time frame that goes beyond the 114th congress. should republicans be trying to do the same policies? >> i think so. when you've got a bi tri, message, when you're all over the map, you don't have that
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unifying oomph, that presence of mind to bring people to a point to see where you want to go. the president tried to do that last night. next year everyone is going to be talking about 2016. i think that's important for the gop to start to do. i think there are some good lessons to learn there. >> quadthanks for your time. coming up keystone is still up for debate in washington but in minnesota another pipeline just spilled up to 50,000 gallons of oil into the yellow stone river. that is coming up next. ( ♪ )
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in iraq in syria, american leadership, including our military power, is stopping isil's advance. instead of getting dragged into another ground war in the middle east we are leading a broad coalition, including arab nations, to destroy this terrorist group. >> a moment of increased terrorist violence and global instability, his remarks about the shores beyond our own were notably brief. the president criticized rash decisions that drew america into unnecessary conflict in the past and outlined what he said was a smarter kind of foreign policy leadership. but whether or not that foreign policy leadership is more effective.
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the president said we are stopping the advance of isis. some reports point to the very contrary. the u.s. strategy against isis would not drag us into another ground war. 2,000 u.s. troops have already been deployed to iraq. there was the stuff he didn't mention like al qaeda. there was no mention at all of the terrorist attacks in paris. for the president who last year announced it was time to move america off a, quote, permanent war footing, there was no mention of that either. joining me now is jeremy scayhill. give me a sense of what you thought of the things that weren't included and those that were. >> it was pretty stunning there was no mention of yemen or al qaeda or aqap or the "charlie
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hebdo" attacks. in his last major foreign policy address in september of 2014 he held up his yemen policy as a model for how to combat terrorism, the idea that you're using drones and working with local military forces on the ground. in reality, if it is drew aqap conducted this attack it would undermine the president was making last september. it was a pretty glaring omission. >> in 2011 obama talked about al qaeda's leadership is more under pressure than any point since 2001. in 2013 it was al qaeda is a shadow of its former self. we're not even talking about al qaeda feels like a tacit acceptance that al qaeda is still around. >> on a deeper level what i think this reveals is u.s.
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policymakers have failed study in realtime groups like al qaeda. with isis fighting with aqap with control over who is the sprum supreme supreme jihadist force, i think the u.s. has been asleep at the wheel. it seems when declareing al qaeda was in the last throes i think they just failed to understand al qaeda is a very evolutionary group. >> and rapidly evolving. in the course of two years, the way we think about the entire operation can change. we talked about the areas where he did not bother to play defense or set himself up for a game of defense. there was one part of the speech that i thought was really interesting. the president talked about rash decisions which drew us into
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unnecessary conflict and he talked about smarter foreign policy. as americans we respect human dignity, even when threatened which is why i have prohibited torture. >> if his use of drones has been properly constrained, i would hate to see improperly constrained. a tremendous number of innocent people have been killed. for the president to say that, that flies in the face of on the ground evidence we have. you covered the cia torture report and all of the dark dealings of the agency to prevent that from coming out. the president has accepted he can't really criticize the cia in any grand effective way. we tortured some folks. it is the sort of bugs bunny
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description of torture, which is sick. his administration has continued the clinton era model of using rendition. the cia is no longer snatching people as a matter of general practice. it did happen in the case of libya, but generally we're outsourcing it to other countries. that's what bill clinton was doing. it is sort of a back door way of continuing the policy but letting the other nations do the torture for us. >> by putting drones in there, he was defending himself against critics on the left who have said look what you're doing isn't moral and is not what you stood for when you were elected. >> president obama was able to get a majority of liberals to believe in the idea of drone strikes just a year and a half ago. a majority of self-described liberals supported the drone strikes and support only dropped
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negligbly in these polls. >> maybe two people clapped. >> if we need that what's the current authorization under which we're bombing syria. i tweeted last night is we're funding and supporting some people that will probably come back to attack us later. i think that's what our policy in syria and iraq is going to amount to. >> the nuclear deal with iran house republicans have invited netanyahu to respond. how feasible to do you see that deal at this point? >> i'm very critical of this administration's foreign policy but i think president obama is right when he says he can't keep
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imposing these kinds of sanctions. it will undermine that deal but economic sanctions as we have seen generally don't target the leadership. they end up targeting the population population. the notion of strangle the population into an uprising has failed for 50 years in cuba. he called for an end to the cuban embargo. the first time a president has done that in history. >> let's see if congress listens. >> they won't. >> always good to see you. thanks. coming up did the new england patriots cheat their way into the super bowl? that is just ahead.
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hilarious. 11 out of 12 balls were found to be underinflated. then there's tom brady, the only person to actually through the footballs in question. there's this tape of tom brady back in 2011 talking about his love of deflated footballs. >> when gronk scores he spikes the ball and deflates the ball which i like the deflated ball. >> here are my guests. three ladies talking about deflated balls. okay. >> the puns couldn't get any better. they just couldn't. >> so initially when i heard about this it was like what's the material advantage here. we now have vintage tape of tom brady saying he likes playing with deflated footballs.
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i feel like this information changes the game. >> on the other side of that aaron rodgers says he likes overinflated footballs. i'm trying very hard to say footballs. it's definitely a personal preference here. i think it is undeniable that there's an advantage. the question is what is that advantage and how widespread is this. >> they've been sending out pictures of the rule book on balls and on inflation of balls and who brings the balls out and each team supplies balls to the game in question. i think this is going to be something that is going to take up a good week heading into the super bowl. >> how much of this is informed that the ball regulations about teams providing their own footballs -- one of the people that was a mascot for that
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movement was tom brady. >> so i think that's an important point. it was a 2006 rule change that changed it from the home team providing the footballs to each offense providing their own footballs. this was a rule that was championed by brady and peyton manning. quarterbacks want to get a feel for the ball before they start their game. there's something very specific about that. the question is how much of that is regulated or should be regulated. >> it was such a blowout game. does it really matter? if this is cheating, what should the punishment be and how tough of a position is the nfl in. >> there's a rule book. the rule book says the punishment for this is $25,000 not just for who is in charge of
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inflating the balls, but the head coach and the team and who knew about what. that's the penalty. they could go beyond that and take draft picks. there was spy gate. i think that history probably comes in. to the bigger point, i don't know if it matters if it is a 45-7 win. i think it's the overall idea if you're doing something that undermines the integrity of the game doesn't matter if it is a blowout, you're still doing something against the rules. the integrity of this game has been such a focus. >> we're talking about not just any quarterback. we're talking about the poster board for handsome all american quarterbacks tom brady, who may
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have -- leading into the super bowl, the stakes on it could not be higher. >> it is important that we take a step back and really just breathe for a second. >> let's be easy on tom brady. >> please. i'm a new yorker. there have been pieces calling for the patriots head, questioning belichicks's legacy. i think we need to let the nfl conclude its investigation before we draw any conclusions. there have been reports going back to college football by equipment managers who say deflating balls is kind of a common practice that is akin to juicing balls in baseball. if this is accepted and skirted under the rug a little bit, then we should assess how big a deal it is. >> you do have the colts who were the ones that complained. if the other team is not cool with it, it goes deeper.
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>> this is the patriots who people love to hate. given their past with scandals -- how could you guys do this again? shouldn't you have learned from spy gate? >> you never want to play into your stereotype. if you have one thing that you're known for, you don't want to always do that thing. if you're bill belichick, i want to make sure you're not doing anything that is the least bit underhanded. you want to keep your nose clean, i would think. >> above board. >> this is certainly interesting that it would happen to him again. >> if you're bill belichick, you don't want to do anything more to make people hate you. >> deflated balls may be a thing. thank you guys for your time. coming up the senate just voted on whether climate change is a hoax. i will have those results for
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surprise, the senate just voted on a democratic amendment to the keystone pipeline bill stating once and for all that climate change is real and not a hoax. and the measure actually passed with the support of nearly every senator, including the man who called it the greatest hoax senator james inhofe. inhofe did not support it for the reasons that you might think. according to his press secretary, senator inhofe supports the fact that the climate is changing as it has always been changing. "the ed show" is coming your way. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. we're waiting if inging for the president
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to speak live from boise, idaho. let's get to work. >> one you have probably heard about is the keystone jobs bill. president obama has been delaying this bipartisan infrastructure project for years. >> building the keystone pipeline would be quote, game over for the planet. >> let's shut down the federal epa. >> we don't want this pipeline to be built. we believe that climate change is real. >> we build pipelines everywhere in america every day. >> we build pipelines. >> do they deny that human activity has helped create climate change? stay tuned. we'll see.
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