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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons, to a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you have never seen, "lock up: raw." >> over the years, we profiled inmates who commit extreme acts of violence both in and out of prison, but there's a special breed of criminal mind whose
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violence and bizarre actions seemingly knows no end. >> you got a lot of people around in here. >> when we first meant ivory taylor, he had to be flank by two officers for the interview if the security housing unit, or the shoe. >> i got it. >> okay, you got it. >> look at the man right there. he has a round bow. where you say you from in. >> msnbc. zblrks nbc? >> msnbc. >> i got two licenses. life without parole, and i'm called godzilla because i got more points in the prison system. i fight with everybody. i fight everybody who fight with me. i've been in the hole 19 years
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strait. >> taylor spent years because of infractions more than any other inmate. >> i had my nose broke, hip broke, shoulder broke, all in confrontation with the police. art of distraction, hospital distractions, any place you can get a fight with, i got a fight with. >> when we visited the cell, he let the producer know nobody is entirely safe around him. >> two days on i left others on life support. gradually, he was comfortable and gave a show and tell about the cell. >> what's in here? >> you don't see nothing in here but one book and my monster bar of soap i save to do my laundry. that's what i was doing when i came in.
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>> what do you do with the butter? >> that's butter, that's the real thing on the street, but that's what they use in here. you can't get -- whatever they sell on the streets. jelly, whatever that is, that's what that is. >> i use butter to make what they call sololagram. >> referring to the letters he sends to officials. >> a typical letter will be about a five page scroll of letter with the second and third pages coated with see men and imprint of his penis on the third page. i answer whatever question he asked and send it back. >> he wanted a reaction from enemies who might one day see this interview. >> i got killing to do.
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you don't run your mouth. i got a big mouth and big heart to back it up. talk about tv personality. i have people who fertilize bushes. i have people who don't come up short, six feet short. i got people chasing me. it's going to be like that. they rather get aids or ebola than to get next to me. that's what i'm thinking. all right. ready? >> yeah. >> see you when i see you, probably not for a long time, huh? >> okay. >> fleece johnson stirred up his share of trouble behind bars. johnson's first arrest was at the age of 15 for armed robbery. since then, he's spent more than 30 years behind bars. most of them within the stone ramparts of kentucky state penitentiary. >> this was like a gladiators
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there. you come here, you either going to fight or you going to be somebody's punk. it's just that simple. so to survive in here, i had to fight. and so we fought. and i whooped their ass all around this prison. >> johnson recalls the legacy of violence unleashed on officers during his time in kentucky's three cell house, the hole. >> when they come up to my cell say, back up, turn around, be handcuffed, i said [ bleep ] come on here get me, let's do it. when they fight me, they don't play. shackled to the bed i don't know how many times, maced, gas -- maced so much, they said don't mace him because it does not affect him. he's immune to it. shooting me with a taser gun, whatever, because it takes more than that to calm me down, you know, and when they come up with something new, they come to me
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and try it on me. see if it works. >> i definitely had a sense that he loved to have an audience. a great story teller, and he knew it. >> and a lot of the officers i fought, bunch of them quit through me. >> i made them quit. >> one of the officers barely escaped with his life. >> well, i took a five gallon bucket of boiling water with bleach in it, everything in it. it was so hot i took a spoon and i threw it in, and it just curled up. that's how hot it was, and i threw it on him, just threw the whole bucket on him. >> what did he do that made you want to assault him? >> he disrespected me. that's all it takes. back then, that's all it took.
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just some simple disrespect. >> the co survived, but the incident caused the state to institute hazard pay for officers, and johnson received 15 years tacked on to his sentence, but it was not just ksp officers who experienced his wrath. he also took it out on his own self. >> i tore 400 toilets out of the wall, i tore up about five or 6,000 mattresses, 20,000 sheets and blankets and doors. i tore off the hinges and things like that. you talking millions that they was -- more men was causing the state millions, and couldn't nobody break me. nobody. >> these days, he claims he's too old for the violence he used to commit and the prison released him from segregation for good behavior, but slowing down can't reduce consequences
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of his actions, and they are beginning to weigh more heavily on his mind. >> the most disturbing thing over all this, the day when it occurred to a person that all the years you fought physical battles that you thought was right, good, and just was wrong, and to know that is a very hurting thing. because you look back over all the people you have hurted through your battles and -- it's painful. and so the only way to make good on it is to do something constructive and hope that it makes a difference somewhere. coming up on "lock up: raw". >> started singing battle hymn of the republic, glory, glory
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them. and their murders took on dimensions not only shocking, but they were unimaginable. >> frank street, jr. i'm 38 years old. i've been down since 1993 for shooting my mom. >> during the first day of shooting at wabash, our crew meant frank street, an inmate housed in the residential treatment unit. at the time of the interview, street was involuntary tremors due to his medication. >> i had delusions people were out there hurting me, and i had a video consent tape showing people hurting me, and i showed it to my parents, no, nothing to that. i thought, well, you are crazy, i don't know what you were talking about. they were sane, i was the crazy one. a short time later, street's delusions got the better of him. >> i loaded up my dad's gun, thought they were coming after me, and my mom said, what are
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you doing? my mom reached out for the gun, and freaking me out, and i shot her in the head. >> even more shocking and disturbing than frank street shooting his mother in the head is what he did after he killed her, and what you're about to hear is extremely graphic. >> i've become delusional, i say insane, and i just said, you got to eat some of her brains for her to be a part of you. >> street was diagnosed as having advanced schizophrenia, and at the time of the interview regularly received medication and counselling in the residential treatment unit. >> i should have been in the mental hospital, but it's been 13 years, been to psychiatrists, and learned to deal with it. i feel i've done the time. especially -- i was not a sane person who did that back then. you don't eat brains from somebody's body if you're sane.
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>> many of the murderers interviewed show little to no remorse by his crimes, and street is tormented by his. >> it's horrible. i -- i've come to terms with myself that i'm sure someday i'm going to kill myself. i've decided to do that. that way i can go be with my mom. >> you know, i'm not as bad as i used to be. i'm not acting crazy. i'm not really crazy anymore, you know. got some new socks. and that's what everybody's socks looking like -- like that. yeah, that's all i have to say.
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>> in the wake of interviewing frank street and hearing graphic details surrounding his mother's murder, we never imagined encountering another inmate with a similar story, but we were introduced to 47-year-old joseph garner. >> i've been down nine and a half years, 22 and a half more to go. my crime is murder, and i cannibalized during the process. >> garner killed his father on christmas eve 1995. at the time, he believed his dad was preventing the second coming of christ. again, we'll warn you, his account of the murder is extremely graphic. >> i eventually told him to sit in a chair and not to move, and i started singing the battle him of the republic, glory, glory, hallelujah. i said, they are coming, do you hear them? he jumped up to push me aside,
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and i thought he was attacking me so i stabbed him in the back, he took three steps, i tackled him, slit his throughout, and he said, please, don't kill me. that's what i realized, oh, my god, what am i doing. >> the producer described the interview as exhausting as he took the conversation on bizarre tangents. >> never a second, whatever the latest measurement of time is. repressed freudian alien that snowballed emotionally repressed through drugs and alcohol. and it was witnessed by 10,000 people in a concert at detroit plaza. >> it was moments before he was brought back to the details of the crime. he told us it was shocking and disturbing. >> i pulled his brain out, and i took a bite out of it. >> like frank street, garner was
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housed in the residential treatment unit, but it was clear not only does he still struggle with what he did, but he worries about what he still might do. >> it's heinous. i believe in an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. i believe they should take my life. there were circumstances mitigating and aggravating that my judge was pointing out, i think that having crossed that line, it would therefore be that much easier to go back across. there's less inhibition to take another life now, especially even my own. i've threatened that several times. next, a self-proclaimed white supremist inmate provides the most shocking epilogue in the history of "lockup."
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>> [ bleep ] >> calm down. >> of all the memorable inmates interviewed on "lockup," one makes such a visually shocking impression that he stands alone in the history of the series. >> when you look at curtis, with the tattoos all over his face, he's really physically intimidating. >> i'm here for a burglary, forgery and escape. one to 15 expirate in 2016. >> when we first met curtis allgier at utah's maximum state security unit it didn't take long for tattoos to become the focus of the interview. >> tell me about your tattoos, what some of them mean. when you got them. >> i've been getting tattoos since i was 13 years old. my whole family tattoos. that's what i do on the streets. i'm a tattoo artist. certain ones have meanings. i got my wife's name across my
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forehead. just, that's how much i love my lady. and other ones are my political beliefs. >> his political beliefs have to do with his near lifelong affiliation with the skinheads. >> my whole family is skinheads, operated that way. born and raised, my dad, uncles, all my cousins. all my family. being a skinhead is a way of life. it's preserving your race. it's being proud of who you are and wanting to better that. a swastika is a very proud symbol. i wear it as a symbolism of pride of who i am. i have a lot of them. >> allgier gave a more detailed account of his tattoos in this previously unaired footage. >> it's a toss-up between the toes, behind the leg, and the lip. the lip you got nerves, and your toes all your nerve endings. i was thinking that won't hurt that bad. don't look at me as my tattoos and be like oh, my god that
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guy's a white supremacist or -- i'm proud of who i am. and i'm proud to have my family be who we are. but i'm not a bad person because i got tattoos. being a white supremacist is not a bad thing. >> and according to allgier, being a white supremacist doesn't mean he belongs to one of utah state's white supremacist prison gangs. >> you got fourth reich, those dudes are aren't white supremacist. they were started by people who were rats, and pc cases. >> interesting thing about curtis was he claims he's not in a gang. he's not a gang member. he's just a white supremacist, a skinhead. and he felt there was a really, really severe difference. >> i'm no part of them. i've never been a part of them. nor will i ever be a part of them. those dudes in my mind are weak, and they're not white supremacist, more will they ever
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be. >> at that point one of the officers leaned in to my ear and said if you use that, he's going to get attacked. he's going to get stabbed. >> while inmates like allgier are completely aware that talking about gangs could put them in peril it is a risk they have taken time and time again when interviewed on "lockup." >> we knew that theoretically that sound bite might put him in danger but we also knew on the other hand how important it was to curtis that that distinction be made. and that's the choice that we went with. >> two years after this interview, however, curtis allgier would make the worst decision of his life. one that virtually guarantees he will die in prison. >> the suspect was able to get the guard's weapon away from him and at least one shot was fired. >> on june 25th, 2007, during a visit to an area hospital, allgier allegedly disarmed, shot and killed the correctional
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officer escorting him. >> curtis had called me and told me that he had killed a cop, that he had escaped. i asked him what had happened. he told me that he was sorry that he loved me, and that -- that was it, i'm sorry. i love you. >> after fleeing the hospital he was taken back into custody 45 minutes later at a fast food restaurant. >> i remember thinking, curtis was in for burglary. forgery. escape. he was going to do less than 15 years. curtis was going home. and now he is never going to go home. >> it's not cool to be here. and living this lifestyle. you screw up your life. i can't tell people don't do it because i've done it but i can tell them this isn't the way to go. you're not going to gain from coming here. you lose everything.
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