why did you hit an officer? >> we have now been tasked to go in that dorm and restore order. >> the jail responds with force after an officer is assaulted, and inmates attempt to escape. >> how many times did you shoot him? >> ten, 12 times, you know, it

is horrifying. it's very traumatic. >> an eighteen-year-old shoots her father to death. and finds a acting mother on the inside. >> when she walks in, she was scared, shaken, i took care of her, showed her the ropes. >> you're just going to have to take my word for it. >> somebody has threatened to flood the walk. >> another inmate, not normally known for trouble, issues a vile threat. >> that's a cup of urine right there. >> and two other inmates provide cautionary tale for fathers and sons everywhere. >> i was out when you were seven. >> you called another man daddy, so i'm saying who was supposed to be getting mad?

in downtown louisville, kentucky, two adjoining victims serve as the criminal justice center, housing both the courts and the just system. on any given day, about 100 men -- 2300 men and women are incarcerated here. most have been only accused of crimes and are waiting for trials, for the resolution. it can be a tense environment as the officers who supervise them know all too well >> here in this facility you're looking at a couple of officer assaults a month. that is jail-wide. you try to train your people to be prepared to deal with any type of situation that comes up. any day you come to work, you put yourself at risk. >> today is one of those times. >> one of the officers got assaulted over there >> by who? >> by the inmate, they're putting him in there now. >> [ bleep ]

>> on lockdown until further notice. no movement in that area unless authorized. >> we have had an officer get assaulted up on the fourth floor. they have the inmate under control and placing him in a restrain chair. >> officer used pepper spray to secure him, he will remain strapped into the restraint chair for up to two hours until officers feel it is safe to return him to his cell. >> it is the second assault in a week on that floor. inmate to officer. >> so that dorm has a lot of young and aggressive inmates. >> you all right? >> yeah i'm good. i was putting two guys coming back from gym in there, soon as the door opens up, inmate steps out and cold-cocks me. he hit me right here >> you got a pretty good bump on your head. >> it's good now, my knee, but

other than that i'm fine. >> what is going on with you and the officer staff? >> nothing. >> well, why did you hit an officer? >> the sergeant and i just walked through y'all's dorm and everything seemed to be going fine. and then the officer goes through the dorm, and as soon as the door opens up you hit one, i'm trying to figure out why. >> what is that -- >> just left. >> it is part of the job. >> during the assault, several inmates in white's dorm try to rush the door, which staff view as an escape attempt. >> the dorm on camera was observed, several of them covering their faces, picking up what could be a weapon possibly. so we have activated had sort team. >> sort is the special operations response team.

>> we have now been tasked to go in that dorm and restore order. >> suit up >> wait for the phone call. >> all right. >> every situation is different, the biggest concerns and threats right now is we don't know who was involved, we don't know what they have. we don't what they have planned. there is just too many involved. so we were going to use whatever manpower we have, this has to be done fast and safe. they're going to get in their full gear, body armor, guest. we're going take the mk-9 oc launcher, container shield, for crowd control. we'll take cuffs, due to the number of them. the taser shield. >> because of the potential to lose control of the floor, it is a very dangerous situation. >> stand by. >> what we're going to do is go in, identify who we can from the dvr.

we're going to go in, order them all on the ground, anybody that doesn't want to comply with the orders we know that that is where our attention needs to be focused at. >> due to safety concerns, the sort team would not permit us to enter the dorm. but we were able to shoot the raid off control room monitors as the raid took place. >> they're flexi cuffing all the inmates on the ground. they're searching them all, until they're face down on to ground. they will stay in that area until they complete the search of the dorm. >> with the dorm secured, our crew is allowed back inside. >> get them searched and now we are searching for weapons and contraband. we're going to look at the denver, make sure that the main

perpetrators. >> once they shake down the entire dorm, they're going to make sure the ring leaders of the cell, they will be returned to administrative segregation, and not be allowed to return to that dorm. >> now they got us laid out -- >> it ain't right, for real. >> that is how i feel. >> these inmates are obviously still agitated, but as of right now everything has gone the way we planned it. >> officers have removed a number of inmates they suspect have rushed the door, to isolate them in the prison cells in administrative segregation for further questioning. the inmates remaining in the dorm are placed on 24-hour lockdown. among them is brian edmond, sr. >> right now my life is kind of off track, know what i'm saying. i just had a rough life throughout my whole 36 years of

li living. i was doing good in school, i played basketball, as and bs, i don't know, i just chose the wrong route. and this is where it landed me. >> mr. brian edmond sr., i'm going to look at his charges. sodomy first, intimidating a -- assisting a felony one. >> having been sentenced, edmonds now awaits transfer to prison, a place he is familiar with. he has been there on three separate occasions, serving a total of 14 years. >> tired of being in this jail. can't wait to get away from her. go to my next phase so i can get get ready, get my appeal done. >> although no stranger to prison, he does find himself in unusual circumstances here. housed in a cell on another floor at the jail is his eighteen-year-old son, brian edmonds, jr.

he's been charged with two counts of murder. he has pled not guilty. >> we ain't got no real close relationship. because i vn locked up off and on. so i have never been there through him growing up. he knows i love him, he loves me. but we ain't really had no father and son relationship. it was more like a friendship. and if they was to convict him of it, the blame would be on me. because i ain't never been there. you know what i'm saying? i would take his charge if they were to let me. i would do his time, because i don't want to see him go through nothing like this. >> coming up. >> so then you were following in your father's foot steps? >> i don't even know him to follow his footsteps, i get offended when people say that. >> brian edwards, jr., has words for his father. >> ain't nothing he can do to change my circumstances. but stay the held out of my face. and an eighteen-year-old takes her father's life.

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at the louisville metro department of corrections jail, every staff person is aware that violence can break out any time. and sometimes it will be directed at them. the latest assault occurred when markel white punched an officer as he entered the housing unit. >> he basically sucker punched an officer as he came in the dorm, which resulted in several other disturbances in the dorm. >> white, who is currently there waiting for trial for murder, has been put in a segregation cell and put on sort status, the highest security status in the entire jail. he will be locked up for now, 24 hours a day, lose all of his privileges and have little more

to do than sleep. >> what did you do to the officer? >> i hit him. i hit him. at the end of the day i came out -- [ bleep ] up. maced, choked out. and some -- what is that chair called? >> restraint chair. >> restraint chaired. >> let me talk to you real quick, all right? what is going on, white? i want to talk to you a little bit about what happened last night. >> i just got fed up. >> so what are you feeling like today? >> i'm feeling good. >> you know your discipline officer will see you in a couple of days. >> because of that you'll be in sort for a while. and i'll be by to see you and

we'll be reviewing, depend on your actions for two or three weeks. depending on your sort status. all right, well, i'll be talking to you. >> all right. >> white says he lashed out at the officer because he felt disrespected. >> i hate getting handled like a little boy. and i hate being disrespected. >> how do you feel you were disrespected? >> for them to just talk to me any kind of way, but i showed them the utmost respect. i talk to them in a mannerable way, and they don't talk to me -- it is just a lot of little things and i just got fed up with it. >> could you ever foresee doing that again? >> no one knows what the future holds. >> the future is cloudy for brian demand edmunds, jr. as well. >> i try to calm down from fighting as much. but a lot of times your hands get forced. you got too many chiefs, not enough indians, if you know what i mean.

i need a different environment. that is why i am always fighting and stuff like that. because i done do so much in my short time so where people always want that drama with me. >> it is the kind of drama the jail doesn't want. staff has compiled a list of keep-froms, or inmates that must be kept away from edmonds jr. this list of potential enemies makes it hard for the jail to house him. >> brian edmonds, he was recently put on ad-min seg. >> it is junior. >> junior >> once a month, they continue to conduct a meeting to discuss the inmates housed throughout the jail. >> the purpose of this meeting is to make sure we have the right people in the single cells. single cells is a premium up item in the department.

>> edmonds has continual behavior issues. >> do we need to get him evaluated, from a mental health standpoint? >> you can, but he is more behavioral. >> well, do it anyway, see what you come up with. >> while staff members focus on his actions in jail, edmonds junior says his thoughts are mostly what brought him here. he is charged with two counts of murder, to which he has pled not guilty. >> i am just going to say, i'm facing the death penalty, fighting for my life. i am nothing but eighteen, they're trying to take my life. and i done had a rough life. you know, growing up in projects. i ain't really had a stable home for real, bouncing all over the city. the streets raised me. they say experience is life's greatest teacher, and that is what i had to learn from. i ain't really had no role models, nobody to actually try to guide me the opposite way. and now i'm in here, caged in. >> there is no telling if the presence of a role model could

have prevented edmonds ending up in jail for his current charges. but the void left by his father's lengthy prison stays leaves an open wound, one made more painful where his father e resides. >> my daddy is upstairs on the fourth floor. he just got thirty years. he been in the penitentiary all my life. >> so then you're following in your father's footsteps? >> i don't even know him to follow in his footsteps, i get offended when people say that. i got to know him, meet him. i was already out running in the projects. i don't deal with him. it is too late to turn back. ain't nothing he can do to change my circumstances, but stay the hell out of my face. i take full responsibility, i don't say my daddy would have raised me different because it is what it is. i am going to take responsibility for any position that i put myself in.

i feel like in order for me to better myself i got to look at it like it is my fault. and i feel like that is going to help me develop into a man, you know, not just no man by age, but a man mentally. >> coming up. >> ain't got to go through this. >> i don't give a -- >> i'm just saying he's just trying to make it oneside -- >> the edmonds, struggle to reconcile the past and what could be the final meeting of their lives. but first, a vulnerable young inmate encounters a surrogate mom. >> i just immediately take her under my wing and show her what to look for. i mean there is lesbian activity that depose on. ca made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. transform tomorrow. transamerica. to get out, to escape and now ok you are outside and you are safe but what do you do now and that's where the red cross came in... .

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charges are resolved in court. hours earlier, eighteen-year-old daniele carmack became one the newest ip mates to be incarcerated here. her original conviction was second degree manslaughter. two years earlier, she killed her father. >> i just remember you know, grabbing the gun. and i just pointed it. aimed it right at his head. you know, yes, my intentions were to kill him. so at that moment, i shot him multiple times in the back of the head. i know it is hard for some people to grasp, but when you're in fear for your life, up against the wall, there is no telling what you would do. >> karmak lived alone with her father, according to reporting, there was abuse in the home. >> a couple of nights earlier, we get in an argument, he blacks

my face, bloodies my eyes, blacks my nose, finally, i'm shaking. >> karmak says when the abuse continued the next morning, she picked up the gun, shot him in the head as he sat on the couch. >> how many times did you shoot him? >> ten or 12 times, it is horrifying, very traumatic. it is something i dream about. i have to live with it for the rest of my life. >> karmak says not all memories are negative. >> my dad would take me out to places, go to movies. he took me to concerts. because that is one thing we did get along about. ac-dc is our band. he introduced me to it. i have been listening to it the day i was born. he used to bounce me around on my mom's stomach, with the radio turned up. i loved him, he was my father, that is who he is, and i'll

always love him and miss him. >> several hours after the shooting karmak turned herself into police, originally charged with murder she eventually pled to second degree manslaughter and was sentenced to eight years in prison. she spent the years in a detention facility and was released to the halfway house. karmak violated her probation because she didn't take her medication. >> i told my probation officer i stopped taking the medication, because it wasn't helping. the probation officer put the cuffs on me. it is not that i refused to take the medication, i would have taken my medication if i knew all of this was going to happen. >> the judge will eventually review the matter and could send karmak to an adult prison to serve the sentence. louisville metro marks her first

time in an adult facility. >> what are you reading? >> a handbook. >> a fact that has not been lost on sherry, who is helping karmak adjust on her first day in jail. >> when she walked in, she was shaken, so i just immediately grabbed her and stayed up with her last night. i've been staying up with her, showing her the ropes. >> and my case right now, i need to trust somebody. because i feel like i got nobody, i just got myself. and i know in jail, it is not the ideal place to trust somebody, because they're out for themselves. that is where i met sherry. she basically took me in and serving me under her wing. >> she is serving one year for failure to pay child support and is waiting for trial on a variety of drug-related charges to which she has pled not guilty. >> you hit one five times. you wait, there will be a pause, it will tell you what to do. okay? you can find out your commissary information. >> i have been in jail numerous times.

unfortunately, i know the ropes. that is not something i'm proud of. >> we'll have to get you a new bracelet. >> come on. >> i'm going to need to talk to you. >> they could charge you with escape. you don't want to go to the hole, honey. she needs a new bracelet. hers tore, and she is having to carry it around and i don't want to get her in trouble. >> okay, i'll take care of it. >> thank you, i got six girls, five boys, i can imagine him walking in here, he would have the same look probably as she did. >> oh, i know it. hey is that daniele's bracelet. >> yes. >> today is -- i wanted to show her immediately what to look for. i mean, there is lesbian activity that goes on.

the more experienced women taking advantage of a naive girl. >> i am going to be the devil's advocate, how do we know that you're not going to prey on a young girl? >> you just have to take my word for it. i'm not. >> not what? >> going to prey upon the young and naive, trying to help her. i think god put it in my heart to. now, whatever you do, don't take this off for anything. because you can get in a lot of trouble. let's get you ready for a shower. >> coming up. >> there are a lot of people hating on you, they say you need to chill out. >> new tensions threaten the relationship between sherry. >> i don't know if i can continue to trust her or not, because of all that was said. >> threatening to throw urine on us. >> an inmate not normally known for trouble finds himself knee-deep in it. . ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving

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police in nebraska saying now a third person has died following an early morning shooting at a house party in omaha. two women died at the scene, a man at the hospital. new england patriots coach holding an unscheduled news conference to defend the team in the wake of the ongoing investigation. now back to lockup. >> on any given day, staff at the louisville corrections department know that any day can see disturbance to warrant a response.

today it is in the segregation unit. >> somebody has threatened to flood the wall because he didn't get an additional tray at chow, even though he is not medically ordered to have one. he is threatening to throw urine on us. >> put your hands behind your back. >> when officers arrive at his cell, the inmate complies with orders. >> there you go. roll the door. >> so we're going to move him to a quieter location, he will be in there all by himself and he won't have any access to throw urine or whatever on the officers. >> this is why we're doing this. there is a cup of urine right there. >> the officer came in, and he said i got something for you. filled up a full cup of urine, he said i'm going to throw it on you. >> is that unusual that he actually warned the officer he would throw the urine on him?

>> no, but the problem can be when the warning is not taken seriously. you got the option of them saying well, i told you i was going to do it. proactively on this one worked out better for everyone. >> the inmate who made the threats, anthony kimbley, had made the threats two weeks earlier as the inmate launched the assault. kimbley was reported to be among the inmates, up until then he was regarded to be a model inmate. >> he never caused problems. just chilled out. when everything's cool we'll get you back over there, all right? >> all right. >> he is going through some personal issues, he says. so he said he is going to be quiet the rest of the night for you. >> good, that is what we need. >> we'll see. >> kimbley is currently in jail waiting for trial for murder, and has pled not guilty. but lately he has been dealing

with another death. >> i am dealing with a loss right now. you know, my daddy died. i feel like everything is ending. >> how did your father die? >> he got smoked, he got smoked, man, but it was last wednesday. and my dad didn't have a serious relationship, like a real bond. he had other kids he took care of. you know, he ain't never been able to take care of me. but at the same time i ain't holding that against him. i still got love for him. he ain't nothing but thirty-eight, nine years old. still young. >> he may serve more time due to his latest incident. but staff can take that behavior into account before making the decision. markel white was given 60 days in segregation, he lost all privileges including gym and visitation. he is on day fourteen of his stay.

>> how has it been going in here? >> it is all right, man, all right sometimes. sometimes it is all right. it is stressful, not being out there, you know what i mean. what i really learned is i need to get out there to my son. that is the only thing that is really stressing me out. because i know what it feel like to not have a father figure. because i know what it feels like not 206 -- to have a father, i don't want to send him through the same thing. >> you didn't have a father? >> i had one, but in and out. right now i'm following in his foot steps. >> when is the last time you actually got to touch your child? >> i ain't. >> you never touched your child? >> huh-uh, so i am tying to stay sane,man. trying to calm down. >> it has been several months since brian edmonds has touched or spoken to his son, brian jr., who is incarcerated a floor

below him. >> when he first got locked up, we used to come out and visit together. but we had an argument, and they put keep-aways on us. so i just want him to know that i'm sorry that i ain't ever been there, because i know that is the reason why he is going through what he is going through. so i'm basically apologizing for not being there. >> the two men may not have much time to reconcile. edmonds jr. is about to leave the jail to serve a 30-year sentence. edmonds jr. could get the death penalty if found guilty. when told of his father's apology, he was surprised. >> it is just something hard for me to believe. i will be nineteen this year, that is the most mature part i ever heard my daddy said. i ain't never heard him take responsibility. that is unbelievable, that is a major move in his life. making me feel like he do kind of give a darn right now. i would just love to hear him

say man, i blame myself for what you're going through. i don't know, i guess it wouldn't change -- wouldn't change how i look at things. i would really make me get rid of a bunch of hate -- hatred that i have in my heart. >> and coming up, the ed mondays give their relationship what could be its final chance. but first. >> when i saw y you need to sto talking about. you need to stop talking it. >> a relationship hits a nerve. don't just visit new york.

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karmak has ever faced. she is convicted of the second degree manslaughter. killing her father. she is in jail now for a parole violation and has come to rely on sherry lechte for guidance. >> they're going to bring you another sandwich, but you can start on this. >> i'm good, you can eat this. >> i'm good. >> you're starving. >> just woke up. >> but recently, the relationship is strained. lechte believes that karmak is making a mistake by revealing details of her case to other inmates. >> which we need to discuss that, danielle, i told you you need to stop talking about your charges, i got up, eating, you were still talking about your charges. you can stop it. >> i feel like it is kind of my business. and i'm grown. like i'm eighteen, i mean, i know it is still young. i kind of see you're trying to look out for me.

but -- >> i'm going to tell you right now there is a lot of people in here, and i'm talking about a lot of people that are hating on you and your case. and they're saying they're tired of hearing about it. they're saying you're changing your story, i mean, this is not the place. when i -- i'm telling you, you i'm trying to help you. i'm trying to look out for you. when i say stop talking about it you need to stop talking about. somebody bad is going happen. you need to realize that. this ain't little kid juvenile place. this is big girls. it is time you grew up. they will use this stuff against you, trust me. >> it happens in here, so -- >> people are not going to like the fact that you killed your father. >> they don't understand. >> you know what i'm saying? it is between you and god. i'm just an inmate, you don't have to convince me and you don't have to convince anybody in here. >> like i told you, i am not my charge -- you have to get to

know me, it is like saying judge me and i'll prove you wrong. because i am not my charge, by no means at all. >> well, i can see that. i can see -- you know. but i'm not everybody in here. >> i know. >> there is a lot of people hating on you, saying you need to chill out, okay? >> okay. >> eat. >> i think mainly what it is is people are not liking the fact that she killed her father and she's finding it -- don't get me wrong, danielle, because i love you with all of my heart. she is finding it easy to talk about. if i shot my dad ten times in my head and there is more to it than she has told me, if it is true, i couldn't sit here calmly and talk to you or anybody else. couldn't do it. but, she is -- i'm not her. i didn't experience it. and i hope to god i never do. but that is why they're hating on her, trying to figure out how she can sit here and talk about it over and over.

and it don't bother her. >> anything that was said today, like questionable if i can continue to trust her or not, because of all that was said. it caught me by surprise, like i went expecting anybody to start talking like that, before i started talking about it. but i should have known really. >> are you okay? >> i think i'll just keep to myself and just do me till i leave. stay out of the way, stay out of trouble, avoid people, everything. >> i think i'm just trying to toughen you up in case you do go to prison. because when you do go to prison it is going to be a lot harder, and there isn't going to be somebody who takes you in and looks out for you. you need to prepare yourself. you seem very, very upset with me. >> no, i'm just eating, and i just woke up. >> the next time we checked in with karmac, she informed us she no longer wished to speak on camera. and while her relationship with

lechte seemed frayed, anthony k kimbley apparently wants to repair his relationship with jail staff. >> i never had a problem with you. >> he was recently moved to a more secure cell after threatening to throw a cup of urine at an officer. >> we moved him to a quieter location to get his thoughts left. because normally he doesn't give me a problem. ever. i was actually surprised to find out he was kicking the door and threatening to throw urine. >> kimbley says he has been upset over the recent death of his father. >> i understand you have been upset over some personal issues. >> i just needed somebody to come sit down and talk to, i couldn't just talk to anybody. >> right, it is a very stressful time, especially when you lose somebody. and you can't leave to go do anything about it. and you can't leave to comfort your family. it is hard on you.

i just feel like putting you in here is giving you some peace and quiet. >> i just feel like -- you know, letting some of the stress off by beating the door. >> roll up your mat, and punch your mat if you need to. to, because you're not going to hurt your hands or feet doing that. not like you would kicking this steel door. you know, one thing that i could suggest that you do is you need to get paper ready. you sit down and write all of your stuff down on paper. it helps a lot, trust me, it does. because it helps you really get it out. put it on paper and you can actually go back and read it. >> i never thought about that. >> yeah, try doing that. your thoughts, everything you feel. >> just like writing a rap or a poem or a story. >> yeah, like a story, it is a nice way to put down the feelings that you have. >> and you will come and read it? >> yeah, i'll come and read it. >> appreciate you coming to me. >> you're welcome, thank you mr. kimbley for at being all disruptive for me, and

everything else. i figured i would just give you some peace and quiet, and figured that is what you needed. and i'll come back and talk to you, okay? thank you. >> with most of the inmates that don't cause any problems, i will go out of my way to spend more time talking to them. he was all excited about writing things down and showing it to me. that kind of boosted my attitude. he was a little happier. i don't think we'll have any problem with him kicking the door. >> you act like i never tried, even when i lived with you. >> we fought almost every day. >> you didn't mind your mother -- >> did you expect anything different? >> from inside the walls of jail, a father and son provide a lesson for all parents.

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on any given day more than 2,000 men and women are incarcerated at the louisville metro department of corrections jail. most are working on their cases, hoping to clear their names and go free. today, however, two inmates, brian edmonds jr., and his father, brian sr., will attempt to clear long-lingering emotional wounds. edmonds jr., who could be sentenced to death if he's found guilty, asked jail officials to allow him a final visit with his father, who will soon transfer to state prison to start a 30-year sentence. the request was approved. >> it really might be the last time i get to see him for a while. >> what's up, baby? >> what's happening? hug. what's going on? what's going on with you? >> well, let me tell you something before we start the conversation. i already told them from the

get-go, i don't blame you for nothing. i chose the path i took. i chose to do what i wanted to do. but at the same time i just want to know, you know what i'm saying, if you could do anything different what could you have done? what you thought you could have done different. >> there would have been a whole lot different. i would have chose a different route so you wouldn't end up in the situation that you was in. you know following the same footsteps as me and your uncle. i'm tired of every time i look up you're in the hole. i'm sick of the fighting. i mean, that bothers me. i'm saying i know you're going to handle your own. but i mean, never knowing when something serious is going to happen to you. i'm saying that's frustrating. that's very frustrating. >> i mean, it's frustrating to me that you just got 30 years. you know? and then, you know, we always had a friendship, but we ain't have a father-son relationship. and it's like, you know what i'm saying, when you're locked up you talk a whole lot of sense. you don't want this, you don't want that.

but you ain't never demonstrated that. if we was both to get out today, what do you feel you could do to help me? even if you don't ever get out. you got 30 years. they offered me 30 years not too long ago. what would you do to help me to be the man you never was or you that wanted to be. let's say i'm willing to listen or learn -- >> you act like i ain't never tried, though. i'm saying -- >> explain to me. >> even when i lived with you. >> we fought almost every day. >> if i whoop you, what was you doing? you try to make it seem like i was just off the muscle fighting you. no. i'm saying you weren't minding period. you didn't mind nobody but your mother. so what am i supposed to do? >> did you expect anything different? >> no. i never expected anything different from not being there. >> i ain't never really been loved. like i remember the first christmas we had together. you remember that? >> mm-hmm. >> you started crying. >> it wasn't the first christmas but -- >> the first christmas. the first time we really spent

christmas together. >> yeah. >> i feel like i -- i ain't never talked about i was a kid, i was probably about 12, that was the first time i ever thought you really loved me. other than that i ain't never had -- i don't know what the hell love is. i rather not have shoes, clothes, all that materialistic [ bleep ] and just have my mom and my dad. that's just how i feel. i wish i would have had my mom and my dad. and i feel like i would have been all right. i would have had some morals and some principles. you know what i'm saying? that's why i'm so angry. because of stuff i never had. >> moments later edmonds jr. brings up his father's recent relationship with another woman and her young daughter. >> and you on the phone telling her you love her -- >> i wasn't even talking to her. >> you love her and her child. >> i write you every day -- hold, hold. >> i'm trying to finish. >> no, no no. because you ain't going to go through all that. i write you every day through the work days. and every letter i write you i

tell you i love you. there's not one letter you wrote me telling me you love me. not one. don't try to make it seem like i told a little girl i love her and -- >> that's the thing. you told her, period. >> i'm saying what do a child got to do with it? >> that ain't your child. >> it don't matter. >> you weren't there for me when i was 6 and 7. >> i was there. you were out when you were 7. >> you weren't there. >> you called another man daddy. so i'm saying who's supposed to be getting mad? >> who was with my mama when you went to penitentiary? who was with my mama when you went to penitentiary? >> look, i only did this interview because they said you want to do it. i'm saying for real, bro, we ain't got to go through this. >> i ain't give a [ bleep ] about this interview. >> he's trying to make it seem like it's just his -- >> brian sr., he's angry. >> he's supposed to be. i mean, i get frustrated when i think about it because i already know that the majority of the situation got something to do with me not being there.

it's hard knowing that he could possibly end up with the death penalty. it's hard to even think about it. i always wanted to be there to help him. but i mean, which is sad to say, i let his mama basically run me away. and for a long time i had a grudge against her because she had another baby. so when i did get out, that's what was really stopping me from any -- you know what i'm saying. even being around him. because of that. and i should never have done it. but i felt like that was the only way for me to get even with her. and then when i got out and he was calling him daddy, it was real touching. >> did you blame me for that? >> no. i blamed your mama. i mean, i'm sorry that i was never a father figure, you know what i'm saying, and just being your friend. i wanted it so bad because like, you know what i'm saying,

honestly in my heart i didn't want you to end up here with me. i mean, you might think that i'm just saying this for the cameras. for real, [ bleep ] these cameras. i only did the interview for you. you feel me? i only did it so i can have this conversation. you know what i'm saying? this is affecting me way more than it's affected you. because i know that the majority of this is only because i wasn't there. >> that's all i wanted to hear. that little bitty piece right there. this whole conversation, that was the only piece i wanted to hear. the only piece i wanted to hear. i'm no longer mad at him. at all. i swear to god, i'm not. now that we've realized this is -- you know what i'm saying, we can get over this bridge, you know what i'm saying. some father-son stuff. if it's from jail cell to jail cell, it's still possible. you can still -- if i was to get out and you had to stay in you could still make an impression from jail. i don't know exactly how. but you know what i'm saying, ain't nothing impossible. you owe me to try. that's the only thing i'm going to say you owe me.

i don't blame you for nothing else. you owe me enough at least to put in an effort. i don't care how stubborn i am. you owe me that. and that's all i ask. >> let's wrap it up. >> yeah. >> i love you. >> i love you too. >> i don't know really what to say. i'm satisfied, though. honestly in my heart, you know what i'm saying, i ain't mad at him. ain't no hard feelings. ain't no none of it. i feel like he was sincere about it. that part of being a man he didn't know how to do. so i know he know he's wrong. and that's all that matters. i don't care if nobody else in the world knows. now i really know. i'm cool with that. >> all right. [ crying ]

due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. a 15-year-old louisville boy is murdered in his home, and a young man is taken into custody. >> he wasn't the one that was supposed to be killed. his mama was the one they was going for. >> the accused murderer's case collides with that of one of the jail's most infamous inmates. >> they call him hot boy. that's not somebody you need to be testifying against.