sleeping in city shelters. one quarter of the apartments are not used as primary residents. that's all for now. "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. we start tonight with important updates on the blizzard in the northeastern portion of the united states. blizzard warnings are still in effect from rhode island to the north coast of maine. state of emergencies are still in effect for massachusetts, new hampshire, rhode island and maine where snow is still falling. the storm is hitting new england the hardest. no doubt. in massachusetts, the blizzard lived up to its historic

prediction. an 80 feet section of the harbor sea wall collapsed causing flooding of at least four feet. nine homes were severely damaged and another 50 to 100 residences are being urged to evacuate. we'll bring you any updates as we get them. today massachusetts governor charlie baker said transit would stay shut down all day. the governor made clear road conditions were still very dangerous. >> for those i have talked to who have been out driving around many of our public safety folks, there are still a lot of driveways that haven't been shovelled or walkways that have been cleared. there's still a lot of work to do. by the way, because the snow in many parts of eastern mass is falling as hard as when the storm began, they're having

trouble keeping up with it on the streets as it is now. a travel ban is still in effect for the majority of the state. the heaviest snowfall is in framingham massachusetts, where 30 inches was reported. the island of nantucket is without power after 78 mile an hour wind gusts battered the island. over 7,000 flights have been cancelled. travel bans have been lifted in new york, new jersey, and connecticut. overall the storm spared new york city. new york city's mass transit system is slowly restoring service and traffic is rolling through the city. long island seems to have been hit the hardest with 28 inches of snow being reported. things may be picking up in new york city after missing the brunt of the storm, but massachusetts and maine are still being hit hard. for more let's go now to nbc

news correspondent john yang who appears to be right in the eye of the storm. what's the latest there tonight? >> reporter: 18 inches so far and counting. the blizzard warning remains in effect in portland until 4:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. it's been coming down at a rate of 2 to 4 inches an hour all day long. it is going to keep up until the evening and not taper off until tomorrow morning. wind gusts up to 40 miles per hour creating a windchill of 2 below. you have a lot of blowing snow. these streets, they have been working hard in portland to clear these streets and plow them. you have got wind blowing over and covering the streets with snow again. there are about 2,000 people throughout maine without power

and there is concern about coastal flooding and erosion although nothing like you're seeing farther south in massachusetts. >> any kind of evacuations taking place in the area where you are, john? i know they are concerned about coastal flooding and high tide. >> reporter: not so far. the peak of the storm has been at low tide here so they haven't had the surge, say, in marshfield, massachusetts, in that area. so far, no great problems. >> john i see that there are some people out and about who are venturing out, so it is not totally bad. there are some folks who are enjoying it or seeing what it is like to get around. there's one recreator right

behind you right there. >> reporter: you have a couple of people on cross country skis. this is maine after all. they enjoy their cold weather. they enjoy their winter sports. they got tired of sitting inside and wanted to see what was going on outside. >> cabin fever is something very real. it look like that is the cure for it right now. officials are urging now travel in the area. it is very terrible conditions, and we're certainly not out of it yet. some have been very critical of meteorologists for over predict predicting snowfall in new york city and surrounding areas. reports were calling for the possibility of two feet. social media has been critical of forecasters who missed the mark. you made a lot of tough decisions expecting us to get it

right and we didn't. once again i am sorry. i think the system has worked. it's better to be safe than sorry. government officials listened to forecasters as they should have and the public listened to warnings from governors and mayors which they should have. bill de blasio said he had no regrets. >> would you rather be ahead of the action or behind? would you rather be safe or unsafe? my job as leader is to make decisions and i will always err on the side of safety and caution. we had consistently, not just for the day of yesterday but for several days reporting talking about two feet of snow or more. you can't be a monday morning quarterback. there's no perfect capacity to project the weather. >> the travel bans that were put into effect in closing the public transit system kept the

public safe. this could have been a historic storm and we could have had much worse results. having lived in the midwest, i can tell you this was the right call to make. there shouldn't be any criticism criticism. there should be a lot of people thankful we're not reporting a lot of dead bodyies tonight. tonight's question, did officials make the right call on the blizzard? text a for yes. text b for no. let me bring in paul douglas. paul, always great to have you with us. this has been a mixed bag because in some of the areas the snow is still coming down and coming down hard and there's still some really rough areas out there, but it didn't seem to be as widespread as some experts had predicted. did the forecasters do their job correctly? i'll start with that tonight. >> it's not a perfect situation,

ed. and it never will be. the models are good and getting better. about 1% every year. they never will be perfect. the european model was predicting close to two feet of snow for metro new york city. you look at the weather models which were all pretty much in alignment for much of day yesterday and then late last night, which became available at 10:00 and 11:00 at night, did show the heaviest of snows would stay east of manhattan. you go 40 50 miles east into nassau county you have reports of 20 21 22 inches of snow. i'm not sure the super computer models will ever be able to refine over a small geographical

area. i think we give the grand illusion because we have super computers, because we have doppler radar, we can predict down to the inch. i'm not sure that's ever going to be possible. predicting the future is fraught with peril. >> there's no doubt about that. we were talking last night about the unpredictability of these arctic clippers and how they can change in a heart beat. if i was living in boston i would think the forecasters got it correct. >> absolutely. >> it doesn't look good there at all. there's millions of inconvenienced people because of this storm, but criticism for forecasters is just part of the business, isn't it? >> yeah. you develop a thick skin. again, people if it doesn't verify in my yard the forecast is wrong. even though you say 10 20 miles down the road they got such and

such, it doesn't matter. i have worked with a number of television anchor men over the years in minneapolis and chicago, ed. whenever they gave me a hard time about a busted forecast i would off camera during the commercial break say, you know you could dress a monkey in a sport coat to report what happened yesterday. why don't you look at all the trends and predict what the news will be tomorrow? the sports guy, why don't you predict the sports score and why? then we'll be on a level playing field. we have all these models. we're drowning in data. what do you believe and when? this was still a massive storm. tell folks in boston that it was a bust. new york city you know it was still a plowable storm. last night was still dangerous with the winds and the windchill. could it have been a better forecast? yes. they all did what they had to

do. they erred on the side of caution and public safety. that's what we have to do. >> the travel bans and shutting down public transit clearly was the right thing to do because had they not done it and the storm had hit, who knows what kind of problems we could have had. we could have had accidents and then getting to people who are injured or retrieving people in dangerous situations puts rescuers and emergency personnel in ominous positions. >> sure. >> based on the models and the computer technology, it was really a no-brainer to do that wasn't it? >> it really was. all the evidence was there. the potential was there. we had the unusually warm gulf stream waters. all the ingredients aligning for a very significant storm, and it was a significant storm.

it was just shunted eastward about 40 miles an hour. it can make the difference between 8 inches of snow and 21 inches of snow. that was the case in new york city. given all the information, i think i'd do it all over again and i'd rather apologize for missing the snowfall totals for being a little light on the snowfall totals than apologizing that somebody's loved ones got in a traffic accident or people died. pick your poison. in this kind of a situation, it is never going to be perfect, but you have to do what you think is right for the greater good and for public safety. >> paul how much more severe weather do you think you're looking at for new england as this unfolds? >> well there's no question that tonight's going to be a very rough night. more flooding at high tide. more very heavy know especially

near the coast, but this storm system is now accelerating to the north and east in about another 12 to 18 hours. with el nino beginning to kick in, that fehravors big storms across the south. i think we're going to see a parade of coastal storms right into february and march, so folks out east shouldn't be letting their guard down just yet. >> all right. paul douglas, great to have you with us tonight. senior meteorologist at the meteorological group in minneapolis. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts with us on twitter and facebook. we appreciate the like and we certainly want to know what you think. coming up, a new white house proposal could mean another deep water disaster. we'll look at the environmental

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we will bring you any updates as we get them. in other news president obama has a plan to open up areas of the nation's federally owned waters to oil and natural gas drilling in the atlantic ocean. parts of the plan is expected to include leases off the southern atlantic states including virginia and both north carolina and south carolina. opening the eastern seaboard to oil drilling is a prize the oil industry has been working toward for decades. oil and gas drilling is prohibited on 12 million acres. the area includes 1.4 million oil rich acres along the coast. both proposals are part of the interior department's latest five-year plan that they want to implement. the department wants to sell

federal leases for oil and gas development from the years 2017 to 2022. it does not require a congressional approval. environmentalists think the proposal is simply inviting another possible bp disaster of sorts. dr. reese halter at the muse school and author of "shepherding the sea" joins us tonight. could this offshore drilling in the south atlantic invite another disaster like we have seen down in the gulf and how serious would the risk be to our coast if this plan is implemented? >> absolutely. good evening, ed. the fact that we're even considering going in there is outrageous. absolutely a disaster can happen. look the more times we get stuck

into drilling the more chances accidents happen. let me tell you why every american should care. one in three americans suffer from pain. ed the strongest pain heart, and cancer medicines come from our oceans. going into the ocean, which by the way is very ill, jeopardizes our drugs and health. the oceans are the main life support system for our planet. what's going on here? >> well, the drilling techniques techniques, would this be deep water drilling similar to what we have seen down in the gulf coast or would this be shallow water drilling where if there was a problem they would be able to get to it quickly? >> a variety of that.

there's deep drilling. there's shallow drilling. there's sonar that sends pulses at 252 decibels into the ocean every ten seconds nonstop for months that kills creatures. we got to begin seriously distance ourselves from fossil fuels. capitulating here, going back to the old ways, that's not the future. we have between 1300 1600 sperm whales that are is sickest whales we have ever seen on our planet post-bp. come on. >> why would it be okay to drill off the south atlantic coast but not okay to do it in the arctic? what's the difference? >> you're asking me. i would say there is no difference. the difference is we're making

concessions in an area that there should be no concessions. around the world, in the last 18 months, the viewers have to understand we have disasters in brazil in the north sea and off nigeria. when these pulses go into the water, in brazil we had 900 long beak dolphins dead their eardrums shattered. 100 melon head whales did, their eardrums shattered. these are heat trapping gases that we're adding to an overheated atmosphere. by all accounts what we can plan for is a more extreme droughts, more intense precipitation events.

when and where are we going to future-proof our planet for our children and grandchildren, ed? >> that's an excellent question because president obama is pursuing an aggressive climate change agenda, so this would send a mixed signal no question about it. for years, the oil and gas industry has tried to do some drilling off the south atlantic. this does not involve the east coast of florida. it is further up the coastline, but this is considered to be some of the best clamming and oyster areas on the entire east coast and the aqua culture is a multimillion dollar industry. if there was some kind of an accident, god for bid, this would put that industry in the carolinas very much in jeopardy. the question of whether it is shallow water drilling or deep water drilling is very

important. i think shallow water drilling would probably be something easier to get done. if there was a problem, they could get to it quicker. deep water drilling you don't have to go very far off the coast to get into deep water? >> no ed. let's not forget there was 318 olympic swimming pools of crude with high methane from the gulf. this is absolute madness. by the way, the viewers need to understand it is all subsidized. if you don't subsidize this offshore drilling they're not going to do it ed. come on. we're handing the car keys to our children's future to people who are not vested in innovation, our best friend here. >> certainly a mixed message being sent from the white house on exactly where they're going to stand on this.

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my question is what's changed? nothing. the republicans are still sending a message that they're going to do everything they can to defeat this president on every issue. there's not going to be any compromise and it is their way or the highway. everything from minimum wage to you name it. you name it. the republicans, there is no leeway anywhere. there's no negotiation. it's their way or the highway and they think they have been mandated by the american people to view the world in their very narrow vision. i was disappointed, so the process goes on. our next question is from larry. do you have any plans for your birthday? birthday, somebody's got a birthday? really? son of a gun. how about that? do i have in plans? i'm probably going to get my wife wendy and my two dogs and get on a four-wheeler and go

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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. while much of the country was focused on wintry weather, congress wasted your taxpayer dollars on takeing a vote of the keystone pipeline. the ongoing congressional fight is all about political theater. i'm here to tell you the biggest blow to this pipeline is coming from outside the beltway. this weekend i traveled to nebraska nebraska. i spoke with landowners whose lively hoods depend on the land. these americans are standing up to special interests. they smile and giggle and enjoy the laughs of any next-door

neighbor, but underneath they live in fear that an oil pipeline carrying the world's dirtiest oil will end up on their land in some cases just feet away from where they sleep. they affectionately call themselves the pipeline posse. some of these 100 landowners in york and holt counties nebraska, claim they have the legal muscle to stop keystone. >> this is the pipeline posse. >> we go to parades. we protest. whatever we can to bring attention to what's going on. >> the keystone xl project has boiled down to what these folks in nebraska knew all along. it was going to be about property rights and imminent domain. it doesn't matter if the president supports it or doesn't

support it. legally, this pipeline can't be built for possibly years to come. here's the lead attorney on the imminent domain cases. the president hasn't said no to this. he's given some indications that he's not for it. how frustrating is that to the land owners? >> well we wanted a decision either way, but what the president does is irrelevant to what we're doing in nebraska. >> let's set our sights higher than a single oil pipeline. >> tell me about the liability. what do you mean by that? >> the land owners still have the liability for any negligence that occurs. transcanada can say wasn't it you who drove your combine across the easement? maybe it's you.

>> it would be the little guy against the big corporation who has deep pockets who can drive the whole thing. >> the land owner would lose everything they have. >> mostly it boils down to the families, the future and the content in the pipeline. terry and becky van housen own a feed lot where the pipeline is projected to go. >> they want to shove that pipe right through our field, and what i'm worried about is where it goes through the incline and everything and the way it gets cold here. it'll go down into our water system. it is two miles from my feed yard, which i have fields in between. i got seven neighbors. it will effect the water on all of them and it will eventually get to my feed yard. with all that chemical and all

that tar sand it would probably kill the cattle. >> what do you say to those who say this is the latest state-of-the-art on this pipeline and you don't have to worry about that? >> everything a human builds can be broken. >> transcanada is breaking out the checkbook. recently the offers have been staggering. i've been told you were offered $250,000 to allow this pipeline to come over your land. is that true? >> that was their first offer. the best offer i have had is 307,000. >> and you say no to that. >> yes. >> can you be bought? >> no because my land is worth me to me and my family than any money they would offer me. >> this is as much emotional as

it is anything else. >> it is about the land. it's about what's in the pipeline. it's about what should stay in canada and get refined. if they want to pump that oil down there my farm i could accept that. >> what's moving people on this issue is what it means to the landowners and what it means to their families? >> it is emotional. we have two kids -- our son is with us farming right now. you know if there's a leak in the pipeline, in the aquifer, what happens to our kids down the line? >> that's really it, isn't it? >> yes, and it isn't just us. it is our neighbors, our irrigation, our cattle it's our living. >> the main way you get to nebraskans is by telling them that this product, this tar

sludge is not for us. that it is going to duty-free refineries on the coast and it is going to the highest bidder on the global marketplace. how can a foreign company for profit take our land? through imminent domain. the whole thing is rotten. >> they are incredibly determined. we have an excellent core group. over 100 cases of imminentfiled this time. >> there's been a real fever pitched attitude here in the heartland against the pipeline. >> people are opening their eyes to the real risks and just want to be treated fairly want to be paid properly. >> these farmers take pride in the fact that their land is the bread basket of america. building the keystone pipeline has far too many environmental

risks. >> they are aquifer deniers. they refeuz touse to admit that it exist out here and there's dangers to it. >> it flooded mayflower. we gothave the cleanest water in the world. i took this right out of the spigot. look how clean that is. >> you can't get to them talking about climate change and the devastation to the canadian forests. you can get to them if you're saying they're taking our land for their profit. >> folks in nebraska are expressing concern over misinformation being spread by

lawmakers. >> we build pipelines everywhere in america every day. >> do you giggle at some of the stuff that you hear that's misinformation? >> yes. >> you call your neighbor and say, did you hear that? >> a lot of it comes out of washington, d.c. >> they don't know? >> just watching the senate debate and the house of representatives debate. they are so out of touch. >> i want you to respond to what some of the democrats are saying about this pipeline that the oil will stay here. >> all you have to do is actually look at transcanada's application or listen to them when they are testifying if inging in front of congress. they have admitted they cannot guarantee that a drop of that oil will stay in the united states. >> this line will be built. that's inevitable. it's going to be built. it is just a matter of what

time. do we build it quicker? do we create the jobs or do we drag it out? >> versus a talking point memo. >> from every landowner who i have met who are fighting against the keystone pipeline, one thing is unanimous. can you be bought? >> no. it's not about the money at all. >> no it's about the future generations. >> preserving the environment. >> the property rights issue could play out in nebraska for at least 2 1/2 to 3 years. there's no way this pipeline is going to get built during president obama's presidency. there's no need for him to make a decision on this. it is going to be a hot issue in 2016 but those landowners can't be bought and that is a big hurdle to climb. still to come there are new details in deflategate controversy. stay with us.

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answered every single question like this. >> i'm here so i won't get fined. i'm here so i won't get fined. i'm just here i won't get fined. i'm here so i won't get fined. hey, i'm here so i won't get fined. i'm just here so i won't get fined. i'm just so here so i won't get fined. >> lynch may not have said a lot, but he certainly said enough. after his interview, the hash tag i'm here so i won't get fined trended nationwide on twitter. stay tuned. the latest on deflategate coming up. we're right back on "the ed show."

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we have some breaking news at this moment. massachusetts governor charlie baker just announced the travel gan in massachusetts will be lifted tonight at midnight. if we have any other updates we'll get them to you. now to football super bowl xlix is only five days away. everyone should be focused on the game but instead it's all about deflate-gate. bob kraft strongly defended his team. >> i want to make it clear that i believe unconditionally that the new england patriots have done nothing inappropriate in

this process or in violation of nfl rules. bill tom and i have had many difficult discussions over the years, and i have never known them to lie to me. that's why i am confidence in say what i just said. it bothers me greatly that their reputations and integrity and by association that of our team has been called into question this past week. if the wells investigation is not able to definitively determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure of the footballs, i would expect and hope that the league would apologize to our entire team and in particular coach belichick and tom brady. >> bob kraft is basically daring the league to punish the patriots. he is sticking by bill

belichick's defense weather and temperature changes played a role in the footballs' pressure. just before kraft's press conference jay glazer of fox sports reported that the nfl has zeroed in on a patriots locker room attendant, according to sources, quote, there is surveillance showing the attendant taking the footballs into into room at gillette stadium before bringing them out to the field. the fox sports report has not been confirmed by nbc news the locker room attendant has reportedly been interviewed by league officials. it's not clear at this point if the attendant is responsible for any wrongdoing. for more let me bring in former nfl quarterback sage rosen feds and terrence moore, national sports columnist. sage i don't know if we've got a politically correct term here about a locker room attendant. back when i played they were

called ball boys. who are we talking about here? who has the authority to touch the footballs and manage them? what can you tell us? we are talking about the ball boys. each team usually has about three or four guys that work full time but on game day, they usually hire three, four five guys to help out. usually wu68 ball boys is a guy that's hired just for sunday. >> terrence what do you make of mr. kraft's comments? he says he believes that nobody's lying. he's just trying to get rid of this isn't he? >> i'm here in phoenix, and the gen consensus of the people i talked to robert kraft is about to become the most embarrassed owner in the history of the national football league. the patriots are clearly guilty here. the nfl has the most videotaped

entity on the face of the earth. they've got the goods. they probably knew within 48 hours that the patriots were guilty with this. you've got this ball boy stopping in the room before going out to the field. what's he doing? praying with the footballs? the question here is not who did it. the bigger question is whether or not this ball boy, or whoever else was in that room is going to squeal on who told them to do this? somebody did tell them to do this. >> sage what is your response to what you just heard there? >> well i pretty much agree, i think pretty much agrees there's some untruths being told here. i think there's a case of if that ball boy is going to sell out tom brady, who was a good chance when tom brady was a rookie, the ball boy was probably 10 years old and has looked up to him his entire life. i think there's a pretty good

chance the ball boy will not say much, and say he did it on his own, and everybody will move on. i think what robert kraft said was you're my employees, you work for me. you work for us 32 owners and you better be careful with your investigation, because you don't want to tarnish the shield. the nfl is obsessed with the shield. you see star the 0r78 and the investigation, they want to make sure that everybody looks squeezy clean. >> terrence i want to play a clip of seattle seahawks' defensive back richard sherman. here is what he said on sunday. >> the past is what the past is. their present is what their present is and will they be punished? probably not as long as robert kraft and roger goodell are still taking pictures at their respective homes. i think he was just at kraft's

house last week before the championship. talk about conflict of interest. >> terrence moore, what is your response to that? >> well today at media today i spent a lot of time around richard sherman, there was one particular reporter who kept badgering him, a nasty exchange between the two of them. the reporter was trying to get him to back down. he would not back down. and he brings up an excellent point here. the one thing i disagree with sage on i think it goes beyond tom brady. i think the guy behind it is bill belichick. he's the most detailed head coach maybe in the national football league history. on media today somebody account bill bet check, what is the greatest game you can remember playing in and he went back to a game in 1971 gave all the details that you would want and more. and gave the final score of

38-7. somebody with that kind of detail, there's no way in the world he did not know what happened here. >> all right. well, the owner has come out and said emphatically he thinks they're not lying. we shall see. sage rosenfels, and terrence moore, great to have you gentlemen with us tonight. that's "the ed show." that's it. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton begins today. good evening, ref. good evening, ed, and happy birthday birthday. >> always good to pass off to a junge imagine. \s. we are going to keep an eye on that big winter storm that's dumping snow across new england. live pictures of portland maine. it's certainly intense up there, but the brunt of the storm skipped other big cities. some people are talking about how the