long as we understand that if we keep moving forward for everybody, it will guarantee the kind of world that all of us want to live in for everybody. thanks for watching, i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. \s par. escape for new york. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm cris matthews in washington. in the spring to 2016 the sprint has picked up is clip. with wisconsin's scott walker joining jeb bush mitt romney and chris christie in the quartet of governors. the catch 22 for governor es stares us in the face.

the clown car riding through a crap storm of right-wing politics. they're just back from a summit in iowa hosted by a crazed u.s. congressman who says most immigrants are drug mules with calves the size of cantaloupes. well two big stories tonight, the politics of bad weather, and primary politics. parts of new england are buried in closes to 3 feet of snow with some of the heaviest snowfalls coming late today. authorities urge evacuations, wind gusts near 80 miles an hour were recorded on theite of nantucket. those are hurricane-force winds, of course. the sea walls have been breached leaving coastal towns under 7 feet of water and without power. it's not over yet up there. the storm had expectations in new england, but the big surprise as i suggested in the cold open is it missed the big

target of new york city. philadelphia braised for more than a foot but saw only a couple inches. an officialty national weather service publicly apologized for the bad forecasts. last night we showed you what happened when mayors don't prepare for a blizzard. that history was fresh in the minds of leaders last night perhaps when they shut down the entire new york metropolitan area, making travel illegal. all for what turned out to be less than 8 inches of actual snow. we're watching some surprisingly nasty politics following all this good news actually. for the latest i'm joined by miguel aimlmaguer, who is joins us. i spent four cold winters there as a young man in holy cross. go ahead. >> reporter: record snowfall here, 31 inches and counting. they're going to beat a record here tonight. this is as you know the second

biggest city in all of new england, but we are in the middle what should be rush how. all instead you see a huge snow feet. more than 20 feet high. the issue is what do you do with all this snow once it stops snowing? as you mentioned, in places like nantucket, they have other worries. that area has been cut off. they're facing tidal surges as well as loss of some vital communication systems like 911. they are bracing there as this storm continues to batter the region. meantime in cities lice boston also a report the snow is still falling there. we were there with doctors earlier today who were brought into the hospital by police escort. one doctor even skied in. today there was a birth of a baby boy during the storm. his morris telling us she didn't even know the storm was happening, and she was thrilled to have missed it.

certainly an epic storm here. many of folks glad they missed it. for the good news the storm has not been devastating. many cities are shut down but services will likely reopen tomorrow, but it's going to take a long time for some of these coastal cities here to dig out, chris. >> let me ask you, what's your assessment in the bitter cold of worcester, that worcester got the snow and nantucket, but new york city goth imi just called it, ghost whisked by. >> reporter: it's wicked cold, as they would say. as you mentioned, yep, new york and new jersey seemed to be breezed and bumped by this storm. it was not what officials had predicted, which was several feet of snow. instead it was more of a dusting. they shut down major transportation hubs of course a major issue in new york city. the storm never really materialized. of course the big debate. should the governors and city

leaders should have done that? they say yes, if this storm had pile drive into the city, there would have been chaos. things are shut down for a reason. it's cold and snowy out here chris. >> miguel telling us a great story in worcester mass one of my favorite cities. that town has suffered some of the worth damage. chief pittman, what's it like on the island? >> well, it's cold and getting colder. the wind is still blows out here and the snow is still coming down. the winds i'm guessing are still in the 30s steadily at this point. so we're getting a lot of blowing and drifting snow. we still don't have power restored to a lot of areas. >> where is the flooding going on up there? >> the flooding happens down around the hash our area easy street broad street north beach street area.

they run parallel or around the harbor. as the winds come up and the tide comes in, the storm surge on top of it brings it over the sea walls and floods the streets. >> permanent damage? what will it be? >> they had water down on washington street, but most of the damage has caused tree limbs and power lines down. >> one of the most beautiful parts of our country, nantucket, thank you chief pittman. politicians down in new york and new jersey are battle -- and making travel actually illegal. >> there are going to be a lot of critics saying perhaps there was too much done for this storm. what would your response be?

>> my response would be we were listening to all of you. >> my job as a leader is to make decisions. i will always err on the side of safety and caution. >> we had a storm several weeks ago where i believe the forecast was for a relatively modest amount of snow we then had 7 feet of snow in buffalo. i do not criticize weather forecasters, i learned. dan malloy and jason is with me here in "the washington post" weather editor. governor, i am completely on the side of politicians who play it safe better safe than sorry we aring to when we're 3 years old, and blasting the held out people like lindsay and michael in chicago, and of course mayor berry, and the new mayor, because she got 1 inch wrong.

she didn't have the plowed out, and she got blasted for that and now people are blasting cuomo and de blasio. and by the way, christie ought to keep quiet. we didn't create the weather reports. they come from the weather bureau. anyway your weathero thoughts? >> i've been through a bunch of these, irene and superstorm sandy and unbelievable weather storms. we had on hinchs in february '13 in parts of our state. you should always err on the side of caution and safety. it also allowed us to clean up quicker than they otherwise would have been able to you learn as you go along. thank you. you're giving us the best information you have available.

it's not just public safety. it's about how quickly you can recover after the fact. i played a lot of rugby against holy cross when i was at boston college. i have a nephew and niece who live on nantucket, he as an orthopedic surgeon out there. and i was a prosecutor in new york city. these are vital places. the people deserve to be protected. that's our job. that's what we get elected to do. >> our expert from "the washington post," jason, how good is weather -- my mom used to stay up all night waiting for the weather. what are we farmers? i still have to go to school. dad as got to go to work. how does is -- what is it 50% right? 7 on% right? >> i think it's better than that weather forecasting has made tremendous progress. three decades ago, a three-day forward three decades -- a one-day forecast is a lot more

accurate than a three-day forecast was several decades ago. >> really? >> i think you meant to say that backwards. a three-day forecast is better -- >> yes, exactly. >> i get it. were there two models out there for the politicians to look at? two possibilities or a range of possibilities or what? what led governor cuomo to shut everything down at 11:00 last night? >> some forecasts were showing up to 3 feet of snow in new york city, some closer to a foot -- >> it's 8. >> yes. >> 8 inches. >> i know the models were wrong. our science is improving, but we're right on the edge of a storm, the model can be just a bit off. it was a difference of about 60 miles. >> eastern long island got almost 30 inches of snow. that's a very fine line. it's a really tough call for forecasters in that situation. what forecasters were doing,

they were looking at this information, and telling the officials, look this would be really bad we could get up to 3 feet of snow in new york city crippling the most populous city in the u.s. so what's the future of politicians politicians, is the message going to be be careful don't be on the too cautious side governor? or you better be smart -- nobody is smart enough to predict the weather. you can't predict the weather. you can't. >> you can't, but i'll point something out to you real quickly. they actually had the type of snow right this time. they told us what it would be and it would be a lighter snow and a lot more wind pushing it around, that sort of thing. listen, err on the side of public safety. you're going to be blamed for a lot of things as a mayor. i was a mayor for 14 years. they're going to forget that you kept them safe and they got mad about that. they're going to remember if you

don't pave the road if you don't plow the street if you don't pick up the garbage. those are the things that people remember on election day. >> why do politicians wear those -- what do you call them foul-weather gear costumes when they're inside? i was watching cuomo the other day, your shirt and tie is missing, that's fine but they look like they're off the grand banks out there catching fish. all they're doing is walking outside for a presser and dress accordingly. is this to identify with the people? identify with the working guy out there who is shoveling snow? >> well first, the people who are home watching that's how they're dressed. i suppose that's part of it. also it's fun. we have to wear tying all the time to have an excuse not to wear a tie is not such a bad deal. >> i thought he should have had a harpoon with him last night. thank you, governor. we rooted for you on reelection. we're glad the people chose you

again. >> thank you. >> and thank you for the very interesting admission. >> that's exactly right. >> that's right. can i make one more point? i want to say that forecasters also have to accept some responsibility here. there are a range of possibilityings, i don't think we did necessarily the best job at communicating the uncertainty. i think there was too much focus on the worst-case scenario. we have to do a better job at presenting the range -- >> the politicians still have to make a call. if it comes out high they're dead. if it come out low -- none of these guys are going to get beaten. anyway thank you. governor, thank you sir. lots of news out here tonight on the 2016 race for president. it's clipping around look. the right-wing clown car came into stephen king's summit. meanwhile president obama is at 50% in other new polls.

that's going to mean a lot to a lot of people. it's called success. that's good news if your name is hillary clinton, which i think will latch on to the second temperature forra. i saw the movie, i think it's a good movie, "american sfiper." the big question does it glorify war? i have an opinion, or is it anti-war? it may be a bit of both. the answer may depending on your politics. can any of four of these governors beat hillary clinton? you're looking at them. let me finish with the national holocaust remembrance day, a day to never forget. this is "hardball," a place for politics.

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welcome back to "hardball." over the weekend, stephen king who gave us the unand the new noun departible, as that guy is in deportable to describe children of imgran, congressman king presided over the summit many considering to be the starting gun for the 2016 race.

let's listen to king and the potential contenders. >> do you believe the next president of the united states will be speaking from this stage to you today? as do i. >> hey, iowa, can anyone stop hillary if? >> yeah and let's borrow a phrase -- yes, we can. >> in a republican primary every candidate will say i'm the most conservative guy to ever live. gosh darn it i am conservative. you know what? talk is cheap. >> like hillary clinton, i too have traveled hundreds of thousands of miles around the globe, but unlike her, i have actually accomplished something. >> i think people like the direction they're headed. maybe that i why i won the race for governor three times in the last four years. >> i can give you a bit of news about mitt. most of you know he and jeb had a private meeting in utah that

was so private it was on the front page of the "new york times." they call me late friday and told me they were dropping out and throwing their support to me. >> starting today right here in iowa, let's give it to them! >> if i was too too direct too loud and too new jersey for iowa why do you people keep inviting me back? it reminds me of tagging up in baseball. candidates have to touch first base before rounding the horn but is steve king the base republicans really want to tag? joining muss is john braybender and joan walsh. to start with the home team joan excuse me leadies second here. i think there's a catch-22 in republican politics if you want to win the presidency you can't win unless you get the nomination. you can't get the gnome fashion if you straight-arm the right

wing. you have to show you see will be their president as well as other people's. isn't that a problem? >> the park adocks is what can get you elected can prevent you from being elected, so i think there's advice that comes with that. whoever the nominee is this time has to go beyond checking the boxes. i think they are to be able talk to hard-working families middle-income families who feel like they've been abandoned by both parties. most of our candidates don't believe in the minimum wage. i think that's outrageous. whoever will win -- >> my argument i guess my parents were among this crowd, there are a lot more cloth companies republicans than mink coat republicans.

establishment and then the sort of sort of anti-establishment then we added social counsel serve tiff tea party and then libertarian. one addition will be middle income, a real effort to say, look, we understand and the other that didn't exist last time was national defense and terrorism. we're seeing in polls data what was a 2% sure is creeping up to 10%, 11%. that's where a lot of candidates will have to show they can be commander in chief. >> joanie the last three republicans to win presidency. basically foreswore all social stuff. nobody thought ronald reagan was serious about abortion rights. he wouldn't even go to the pro-life rallies every year certainly not the w.a.s.p., the

yankees, and same way with w. he appreciated the times aren't right to revisit that issue, the people aren't going to change. it's not going to happen, so i'm going to leave it alone. it seems like the only juan a rep can win, i don't take seriously a lot of the platform. i sort of promise you i'm not going to mess with it. same-sex, is really going to run against that? >> i think you'll see some people doing that. what george w. bush did, he learned from his father's defeat. he spent a lot of time courting conservatives. i don't know how much he could have done. >> what did he do? >> exactly. but the thing that was different back then they had a narrow casting way of getting to key voters that didn't necessarily turn off people who didn't necessarily hear that message. i think it's an incredible development, you have all of these people going to kiss the

rings of steve king which again, it's not just that hess's anti-immigration. that's a point of view. it's that he's so mean about it. if there was one thing that conservatives and moderate republicans seem to agree on you know to the extent that something like john saying we shouldn't be talking to and about people this way if we want them to vote for us. here is steve king who said some of the worst thing that i can think of. >> joan it's interesting, and john it's interesting, there's a number of ways to describe someone here el lily. undocumented workers, i think which is what they prefer. you can call them illegals which is pretty damned cold and the worst of these is dough portables, like collectibles. why would you call somebody a deportable. it's not a situation or a huge experience.

it's not recognition of a person's humanity. >> it's cruel. >> they broke the law in here for good economic reasons, to get ahead, but you can't dismiss them as not people. deportables? why would this guy call them that? why would anybody in your party talk like that? >> let me say this. if you watch the speeches i thought they were pretty remarkable. people didn't get themselves singularly defined when sometimes as a part we force themselves themselves. >> i think carly fiorina was the only one who really spent time talking about the life issue, and talked about hillary clinton. you know candidates talking about -- >> no chris christie -- i'm sorry, i'll stop john chris christie and scott walker both sid a lot about pro-life, and scott walker felt that it was important to tell the country that he defudgeded planned parenthood. that's not a mainstream issue.

>> he went beyond that and created a story about taking on the unions. >> why do you have to show -- why is abortion 1u67 an issue -- >> our platform is pro-life. just like your party -- >> you know i've told you my voting record. it's not that simple. i've left of center i will admit it. >> i'm a political consultant. who shows up in primaries? democrat or right-hand are the most conservative, and frankly people know that and they've got to run that. >> you know what i'm against your party, and i don't want it to be a partisanship but i can't stand the fact that you fight too many wars and i think it was bad for our country, and the attempt by your party to repress black voting in this country. voting rights are sacred and you've got guys all over the country, republicans as republicans saying we're going to screw the black voters.

so we we get in the partisan game i couldn't defend that if i were you, and i don't think you will. >> you should have a right to vote. >> i wish you guys would act like that. >> this is now about stag nantz -- >> i'm with that. i'm with santorum on that. i've got to give joan the last word. what do you make of the fact that the president who they have loved to say was under 50%, the latest poll is 50%. if the economy gets back into shape again, real wage growth, he'll be up in the mid 50s. your thoughts? >> that's the trajectory. just a moment to i don't want to predict anything. there's a lot of talk about how hillary clinton will have to distance herself. she may want to be the third term by the time the second term is through. it's good for democrats, good for the president, also good for the country, because because it

is around the issue of economic recovery. it hasn't gone far enough but things are bert. >> as jan kennedy said victory has 100 fathers, defeat is an orphan. anyway thank you, john. >> wait until you see -- >> thank you, joan as always. up next the republican governor of indiana is catching heat from both the left and the right. he's not that bad, but what he did is really awful. this is "hardball," the place for politics. the country talking to people who made the switch to ford. i loved the look of the fusion... we test drove it...i was like "this is my car". all-wheel drive is amazing... i felt so secure. you can do it, emmie! ecoboost is when you can take a four cylinder and make it feel like a six cylinder... i was really surprised... i drove the fusion... and i never went back. make the switch to america's favorite brand. check out special offers on ford fusion at ford.com or see your local ford dealer. ♪

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age page hopkins. here's what's happening. while the snow totals fell short of expect ace some some parts of the northeast, other areas are still being punished. john yang is in portland maine, where the snow is still coming down. what's the latest? >> reporter: page 18 inches on the ground. as you say, this storm still has a ways to go. very slow moving. the winter storm warning here doesn't expire under wednesday morning at 7:00 a.m. at the same time, you've got wind gusts up to 40 miles an

hour blowing the snow that's already on the ground covering streets that have already been plowed creates a hazard for drivers, and that hazard will continue even after the snow stops falling. that wind will keep the snow blowing. page? >> okay. thanks, john. nbc's john yang in portland maine. now we're going to take you back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." earning more than $2 4u7bz million in the last couple of weeks. also set up a debate about whether the film encouraging war and eastern glorifies snipers. michael moore tweeting last week -- my ingle was killed by a sniper in world war ii. we were taught sometimers were

coward, they'll shoos you in the back. what wouldese do? oh, i know what he'd do. hide on top of a radio and shoot people in the back. seth rogan also took heat for a tweet -- it kind of reminds my of of the -- rogan later tried to clarify he wasn't criticizing "american sniper." my comment was not meant to have any political implications. somebody else did it. bill maher criticized what he called the lack of nuance. >> "hurt locker" made $17 million, because it was a little ambiguous, thoughtful. this one ask just american hero he's a psychopath patriot, and we love him. >> well on the other side sarah palin this weekend slammed, who else hollywood liberals, who criticized the movie?

>> you know why that movie is breaking records all over this great nation? it's because america needs a hero again, and chris kyle has been that man and screw the left in holy we had who can't understand what we see and all of our vets. >> well to discussing this or panel tonight, former vermont governor howard dean kristina belen toni and msnbc contributor jonathan capeheart. did you like the movie? >> i loved it. it was a -- sarah palin makes my head explode. sure chris kyle was a hero but a complicated hero. he is a flawed hero in this movie. this movie -- it's a war movie,

it was a tough movie to watch. his first kill in this movie is a child. >> a child carrying a grenade. >> yes, a child carrying a grenade, but still a child. we this nation filled with all these people most of whom will never see war -- >> would you shoot a child -- >> that would be my job. >> that's exactly the way i looked at it. >> but the thing about that movie is -- he didn't see the child and say, okay time to killed the kid. you saw the struggle. >> and he was calling in with his command. he a guy checking. it wasn't sloppy very professional. >> the point i'm trying to make here is about us in this country, i think it's like 1% of the american population has been in the military you know? if anything it reminds us of the choices, the hard choices and the hard things that people in uniform -- >> s.e.a.l. training alone is

frightening. how about s.e.a.l. training alone? that was pretty frightening, they're basically tied down at the surf coming in bakley being waterboarded in the surf hours and hours and hours of it. everything else they had to do to qualify to be a s.e.a.l. >> it's a terrific film part of it -- what jonathan is getting at is what this does to communities that are touched by war, and what happens when people come home. people can talk about carry for our veterans and for people with mental ilniz. even though we know what happened to him in real life there he was ill and had some issuing he was grappling with. >> he sid -- it's a conversation the nation should be having. if you disagree with palin or anybody else part of it is that's what we fight for in this country.

>> on real time with bill ha maher, you said people who go see this movie are people who are angry. the actor gary sinise had a strong reaction bringing quote -- you certainly have a right to make certain blank statements. how is that helpful, sir? it tells the story of stress that multiple deployments have. it helps to communicate the toll that the war on terror has taken on our defenders. your reaction. >> something which i almost never done i apologize for the veterans. i haven't seen the movie, and i think it was wrong. i make for apologies to the thousands of right-wing nut jobs who have twittering me but i do apologize to the d. and it was much more nuanced than i thought. >> the people who tweeted me with lot of bad language they're chicken hawks.

i have a lot of respect for the people who serve this country and i apologize. >> thank you sir. i think it was -- if you're an 18-year-old kid and you're this would be a recruitment film. dodds it that way? >> i don't see it that way. i think it was a dramaization of someone's book based on their own personal story and hollywood told a good story. war is ugly. i'm a woman, but it certainly -- i think gets at some of the worst elements of it what you're leaving behind. >> i think it would make a young guy think here's my chance to be a guy. >> i think a ton of people joined the military after 9/11 -- >> as did chris kyle. >> i think these films don't make people join the military. >> i don't like the way they called the arabs in iraq

savages, not -- certainly some woum who gives her son a grenade, knowing the kid already shot is a savage but the idea that arabs, and somehow there's a connection between 9/11 and iraq? that's something i will not accept. the iraqis did not attack us. they had nothing to do with 9/11. that was the asset pitch to get us in that war. >> but i think that gets to sort of the uncomfortableness, the messyness of war, the messyness of that situation. we 4ri6dlived through that we went through the bush administration. people went to iraq under false pretenses. >> including that guy. >> including that guy, for the wrong reasons. they went there, they had a job to do. it was horrible it was ugly, it was messy. as kristina said they came back with problems. we have to remember this wasn't

just one tour of duty that the chris kyle went through. he had four. if i have any fault with the movie, it is that the movie did not spend enough time talking about his transition after that last tour home. it was over within ten minutes. >> the same thing with "unbroken" the whole story about the guy coming home a drunk, a miserable life cut out of the movie. you don't have to apologize in the next segment. i've been through them. i don't lining apologies. >> i don't like them either but this one was worth it. the roundtable is staying with us. jeb bush mitt romney and scott walker the new kid in the quartet. can any of those governors beat hillary clinton this my hunch is unless you're a governor, you need not apply. this is "hardball" s. the place for politics. 0 grand on a new set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it.

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candidate tossed it hat into the wring and it is scott walker. he filed paper work to set up a committee which will help him explore a bid for the white house. he is the fourth big name governor. he follows the steps taken by chris christie, mitt romney who is definitely back in, and jeb bush, who we'll all be looking to run. also, howard dean who is a former governor who has run. i want to ask you, i think beating obama will require winning on the executive. i think they will be really running against obama. >> i think if he ran today -- >> it takes awhile to adjust. >> i am biassed. i think governors that executive experience, the problem they

have is nobody is more experienced in the country than hillary clinton. nobody in doing all of the things that president's do. these four governors, and one of them will probably get the nomination. >> we had a very good president, he is a great talker but i sense that gear is warn out right now. >> it depends on how they do with voters or debate stages. we never would have predicted it, and that ended up being the defining issue. >> so you just don't know i think that is one of the great things about what we do -- >> forget the polls, these guys are well known -- >> i think walker is a sleeper. i think he can win it. >> the good thing about this 12

capitol, say what you want but there are no clowns yet in the republican field. >> did you catch rick perry's act this weekend. these are four serious people so i look forward to seeing the debate that happens between them, i hope it is serious. >> the best hol suggestion of the third of them is scott walker. given his age, i think most likely romney or bush will win the nomination. >> i thought ed schultz had him on the run before. >> he as run three times and run, he is highly polarized.

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and eprovocative book on this. they could have been saved from the holocaust had the united states let them enter this country. had the ocean liner st. louis been allowed to deploy. "i have come to feel a deep need to connect with that vanished generation generation. with the members of my family murdered a decade before i was born. the holocaust truly happened in europe. with all of the science and christian tradition, and that reality is something we're best to accept into our very souls by knowing it truly happened can we guard any of us against that horror. >> i uncle george was a tank commander that liberated one of the concentration camps, he told

us of what he saw. i recommend everyone go to the united states holocaust museum documentary. it showed how the nazi isolated the jews. take a look of it tonight on the holocaust memorial museum website. no one should ever forget. that is hardball for now. "all in" starts right now with chris hayes. tonight on "all in." the measure of success in government is how many people are no longer dependent on the government. >> first a big weekend, and now bigger news from scott walker as the billionaire kochs lay out their 2016 p