bidding farewell to a defense secretary, but not necessarily to the problems of his tenure. it is wednesday, january 28th and this is "now." farewell hagel. right now in virginia a formal departure ceremony is underway for chuck hagel. moments from now, we will hear from the president and vice president and we'll bring those remarks to you live. hagel's resignation came mainly from the way he handled the crisis in the middle east. today the jordanian government announced it was ready to swap a convicted terrorist in exchange for a jordanian air force pilot being held by isis. she was captured after her explosive vest failed to

detonate. if the swap is carried out, this would be the second time a country has agreed to a swap for a terrorist. both japan and jordan are members of the u.s. coalition against isis. the president and a large delegation traveled to riad to offer condolences on the death of king abdullah. joining me now are my guests. andrea, let me start with you first. in terms of the departure of chuck hagel, this has been a

sort of drawn out and awkward affair. the secretary of defense has taken to the air waves to express his concerns with perhaps his own departure but the issues at the pentagon as he sees them. how do you grade this as departures go from the white house? >> this entire situation with chuck hagel has been so awkward, so difficult. it was a painful expression on the vice president's face when the new defense secretary was introduced. it was clear joe biden and john kerry were friendly with him in the senate and were not happy about the way he was treated. he got off to a very bad start with a tough confirmation hearing. barely got through, had to overcome a lot of slings and arrows from ted cruz and others who really went after him.

diane feinstein defended but he never did well. he never got into that inner circle. he was really on the outer loop of the outer circles. >> hagel has been speaking about the stress of nonstop war on the u.s. military and the difficulty difficulties of closing gitmo. both issues that he was reportedly pushed out for. >> well it didn't surprise me to hear his closing remarks in an npr interview a few days ago in part because this is how he essentially made his profile during the last years he was in the united states senate. he was one of the few outspoken republican senators criticizing the iraq war and he did it from the vantage point of having been an enlisted combat member. he looked at eded eded at it long term. a lot of what he was talking

about hasn't been done. some of his priorities when he came into the pentagon getting gitmo closed drawing down these wars, they were more difficult to do in practice than they were in theory. >> hagel's departure comes against a very unsettled middle east, in specific we're talking about the campaign against isis. the deadline has expired for some of these hostages. is jordan in direct contact with isis as there is talk of a prisoner swap? >> no. this is going from intermediaries in iraq. there have been some people inside of jordan who are close to the islamist movement who have suggested there has been progress made. if there has been progress made there certainly has been no public acknowledgment of that. isis has said nothing in regards to whether they intend on releasing these hostages or not and the deadlines have expired.

we're waiting to see whether or not this will actually bear fruit or whether or not this was a fantastical offer. >> where is japan in these negotiations? >> there is a bit of an awkward tension here. the family of the jordanian pilot heard the japanese hostage would be released in exchange for rishawi, there was a bit of an outcry. if we're going to negotiate with these folks, we should negotiate for the return of our own folks. not for the return of another foreign national. japan is contributing millions of dollars, or offering to contribute millions of dollars, to support refugee efforts that jordan is needing. how that will impact u.s. relations we're not clear on because obviously the u.s. does

not support negotiating with isis and rishawi was a suicide bomber. it is not a small thing just to let her go. >> how much do these hostage crises fray the coalition against isis? we know this administration has been very public about touting the presence of arab nations in the coalition. we know the sort of downing of the jordanian pilot has created domestic tensions in jordan and i wonder how much you think this contributes to their involvement in the long-term in the coalition against isis? >> it stiffens resolve. it creates a propaganda value. it creates a magnet for jihadis, for disaffected youth. that is the problem that the beheadings the publicity stunts the propaganda value of all the social media efforts by

isis has become part of their branding in their competition with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula based in yemen and with other terror groups. >> sam, in terms of the broader struggle against isis you know we talk about the success in pushing back -- or pushing isis out of kobani. isis continues to expand in syria. >> well this is part of the consequences of a predominantly air strike only campaign against isis. you know the administration would say our strategy is a long-term one. we need time to train moderate

syrian rebels and build coalitions within the region to provide the ground troops to take on isis but there's very little patience obviously. people want to see isis rolled back a little bit. but this goes back to what we were just talking about and what chuck hagel was talking about which is what kind of investment can you make without understanding the long-term consequences? what kind of wear and tear would it put on u.s. troops? we haven't had that conversation in a fundamental way. we have just heard comments on capital hill. >> what about isis in terms of their recruitment? they have the sustained military coalition campaign. it has done very little en masse to deter them from seizing more land. >> they're advertising this. look, right now the u.s. and its allies are dropping bombs left

and right and they're not making any progress. that was the point of the british hostage. they were showing, look i'm able to walk down the streets. that's how much control we have. we have to be careful about kobani. the victory we have achieved there, that's great. it's good to see that, but this is not a core area for isis. when you see progress against isis, you'll know it because mosul will follow. key areas of sunnis arab iraq will fall. until these cities are grappled back from isis control, nobody should say there's been progress against isis because it is just not true. >> andrea what strikes me as stunning in all this is here we are discussing this on television but the legislative body that is tasked with discussing it congress has yet to take up the issue of isis.

do you think there's any sort of movement in washington towards that? >> there is. i think what the president proposed in the state of the union to have an authorization of the use of force will be taken up and especially with john mccain now as chair of the senate. armed services committee will probably come together on the ground rules, but what is very striking is that in the present state of the union address, he said there's been progress in rolling back isis in iraq and syria syria. perhaps there's been some progress in iraq. that's debatable. there certainly has been no progress in syria. i'm not sure what the president meant to even say there was progress in syria because aleppo, there's no progress in the cities of syria. isis still controls that territory. this is a town kobani which is

not completely declared verify verifiable to be out of isis control. it is on the turkish-syrian border. you can walk across if it was safe enough to walk across. >> the question of the authorization of the use of military force is a thorny one. i think we focus a lot on how republicans deal with foreign policy. it is also a complicated issue for democrats. there was legislation introduced today to limit a three-year war on isis. the expiration date seems like a nonstarter. >> this is the whole debate about what we passed in 2001. the key question now becomes -- it is going to come down how much language will the

administration offer on its own accord. members of the hill have been saying repeatedly they believe it is the tradition of the white house to offer what they view as a proper authorization for use of military force and then congress will debate it perhaps amend it and then vote on it. they don't want to go first. we're at kind of a standoff here when it comes to this authorization. the white house has said repeatedly we're going to work with congress, we want to make sure we're on the same page everybody wants to do this, but i'm curious to see how much of a first step they'll take. >> i think we all are. andrea, please hang with me. coming up we're awaiting remarks from president obama about outgoing defense secretary chuck hagel. republicans relentlessly grilled eric holder. coming up tonight, mitt romney is speaking about income

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of india yesterday, but cut short that visit to pay his respects at the funeral of king abdullah of saudi arabia. but it was michelle obama's decision not to wear a head scarf at the funeral who drew criticism. saudi arabia forbids its women from -- that does not mean the saudis were necessarily happy with mrs. obama's decision. some officials refused to shake the first lady's hand. back with me now is andrea mitchell and a political

reporter from "the washington post." how much of a statement was this to your experience? >> i don't think it was a statement. her not covering her head. in fact, it would not be expected. we are advised when we are traveling with official delegations that western women are not supposed to do that. we are expected to be polite and respectful, to wear long skirts long pants, wide pants, long coverings, and to follow -- wear our own clothes, but follow respectfully their practices. but not to wear the head scarf. that is not what is done by first ladies secretaries of state, western women going to saudi arabia for official meetings business meetings or diplomatic meetings. if i were traveling as a reporter on my own elsewhere the kingdom, i would. and certainly in countries like iran where it is the law, where you have to absolutely be

covered getting off the airplane. you are instructed by pilots to do that. not in saudi arabia. another point is most saudi men would not be shaking the hands of a woman. the king i'm told did. it is up to the prerogative of the individual saudi man. the saudi ambassador to the united states did shake her hand. that is a decision by one of the royals, such as the king obviously, but the others chose not to. that was criticized by some in the west as a snub. >> right. there are cultural mores in the background of this situation. you have a piece in "the washington post." you assess this is a political statement. explain why you think this is more than just a choice. >> you have to look at it within

a broader conversation that's going on now not only about saudi arabia and king abdullah and his approach to women. he apparently was a bit of a reformer, but those reforms included very small things like allowing women to be cashiers. one of the things you also have to look at is how this has been received in the west how it was received in the muslim world. you had that twitter hash tag where people were talking about michelle not being modest. that combination of her being looked at for her fashion choices and twitter is received as a political statement. if you look at write-ups in "the guardian guardian"," they looked at michelle obama's body language while she was there.

in that way, i think she entered into a conversation where people were in this as a political statement, even though she is following in the footsteps of like andrea said all first ladies and secretaries of state who made the same choice. >> the president is speaking in india about gender equity and women's issues. it is notable that kind of talk was absent in saudi arabia, and saudi arabia arguably has as many thorny issues but it could be a place to talk about that stuff and the president markedly did not choose to comment on that. >> india is very conscious of all the political controversy over the rapes in india. he met the indian activist who was a cowinner of the noble prize with malala from pakistan.

there's a real record there. he felt free enough with his relationship to do that in india. in saudi arabia this was all about making up and trying to repair damage. bringing with them jim baker, former national security adviser advisers advisers, republicans and democrats. the fact they brought all those people -- the saudi family has been absolutely estranged from obama. they blame him for pulling the rug out from mubarak in the spring. there are so many points of friction with the former king of abdullah and the late king abdullah and this was an attempt to start over repair the damage they need the saudis against isis. they need the saudis to be with

them in the war on terror and of course there's the oil factor as well. they were trying to do damage control. they were not going to raise the issue of women's rights. king abdullah i could you could call him a modest reformer but he permitted women's education. he opened the doors for women in many ways but not driving. he didn't go that far. there was an initial reform impulse, let's say, and then things really stopped dead in their track after the arab spring. >> reform is all relative. >> exactly. >> part of the reason this story is getting so much traction is it involves michelle obama, who is a person of intrigue around the world. it is notable when we talk about president obama's approval rating hit 50% yesterday, which was headline news in some circles, michelle obama's approval rating as of last year was 61%. in terms of things like this --

does global opinion shift around a first lady as much as domestic opinion shifts over a president? >> possibly. i think michelle obama has maintained that popularity from early on being in the white house. you typically see that kind of approval rating for first ladies. i think that's why this has hit such a nerve, because she has a particular first lady. we put her in the line of other first ladies but she is a different first lady for obvious reasons. i think this is one of the reasons why this touched such a nerve. >> we talk about everything she wears. the absence of a head scarf is obviously going to become headline news. >> right. >> thank you both for your time. coming up, we are awaiting remarks from president obama about outgoing defense secretary chuck chuck hagel. we'll bring that to you live.

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process easy. >> certainly i was not involved in the decisions that led to the executive akctions that you reference. i'm not aware at this point how the department of homeland security plans to implement that. >> it was time to trot out all the old conservative chestnuts, including the scandal at the irs about which lynch took the fifth. >> with respect to the irs investigation, i am generally aware there is an investigation going on but it is not a matter that's being conducted by my office or i have been briefed on as united states attorney. >> it wasn't all old hat. senator lindsey graham took part of his attorney at the mic to

voice concerns about the pressing issue of polygamy. >> if the supreme court rules that same-sex marriage is legal, what would be in place that would prohibit polygamy? >> i'm not comfortable undertaking legal analysis without having the ability to undertake a review of the relevant facts and the precedent. >> in the end, lynch's grilling was less about her views than of the man she is seeking to replace. >> if confirmed, how would you tenure as attorney general differ from eric holder? >> i will be loretta lynch.

>> jeremy i'm not going to say you doth protest too much. is your reporting telling you anything conclusive? >> she will be confirmed. i don't think there's any doubt about that. in the confirmation hearings today, you heard senators like hatch actually praise her. he thinks she would make a fine attorney general. i don't see this having much -- hitting many speed bumps at all. if you look at the way she composed herself, carried herself, she was very composed. she struck me almost as a television anchor. >> television anchors are not always composed, my friend, but we thank you for the compliment. we didn't play sound on the most

probably contentious issue nationally as it concerns loretta lynch, which concerns race relations. pending the civil rights investigations into the deaths of trayvon martin, michael brown, and eric garner and the expected decision by the doj not to charge civil rights abuses in those cases, what is the level of expectation around loretta lynch in carrying the mantle forward? >> there are interesting differences in style. loretta lynch told the committee today that there was going to be a new and improved relationship. meaning there is a new sheriff in town. she's not eric holder including she is not as outspoken on race as he is. he came in calling us a nation of cowards. she's much more reticent in style. she's more of a hard core

prosecutor. but at the end of the day, i don't think it matters in terms of substance. her most high-profile case was a police brutality case. she knows how to bring tough cases, including against the police. >> i will say we are expecting remarks from president obama any minute now, so to just try and get in another question before that happens -- >> sure. >> the other issue she was grilled on was immigration. we know there's a flurry of activity in the white house on a lawsuit against the president. what is the latest assessment of how that stands? >> i think ultimately we're right where we were a week ago and even a month before that. the end game is going to be a clean bill. i really don't see many other outcomes. how we get there and how messy that process is a whole other matter. >> speaking of messy, i'm sorry

to cut you guys short. president obama is speaking right now at the farewell ceremony for chuck hagel. let's listen in. >> i was determined to be here with you this afternoon to honor and celebrate a great friend to me and to all of us. in october of 1967 president lyndon johnson traveled to a military base in new mexico to review a top secret weapons program. and he went down to the white sands missile range and out to the testing grounds. there out in the desert the president watched as soldiers demonstrated what would later become the famed stinger missile. and one of those soldiers was a 21-year-old private from nebraska named charles timothy

hagel. now the secret service does not usually let me get too close to an active weapons system. it makes them nervous, but clearly they did things a little differently back in lbj's days. chuck i can only assume you were careful not to point the missile at the president because what followed was a life of dedicated service to our nation spanning nearly 50 years. vice president biden, members of congress general dempsey, leaders from across this department and members of the joint chiefs and service secretaries to the men and women of the greatest military in the world, we gather to pay tribute to a true american patriot and let me assure you that i checked with the secret service and chuck will not be demonstrating any missile laujnches today. chuck loves nebraska.

the corn huskers, red beer brunzas, i don't know what those are, but i hear they taste pretty good. there are just under 2 million people in nebraska. there are more than 7 billion people on the planet. but as so many of our troops have found out themselves no matter where chuck goes in the world, if you are from nebraska he will find you and he'll talk with you and listen to you and ask you about your family back home and chances are he knows them too. so today is a celebration of an american life, a man from the heartland who devoted his life to america. just imagine in your mind's eye the defining moments of his life. the kid from nebraska who has volunteered to go to vietnam.

the soldier outside saigon rushing to pull his own brother from burning pac. the deputy at the va who stood up for his fellow vietnam vets who were exposed to agent orange. the senator who helped lead the fight for the post-9/11 gi bill to give this generation of heros the same opportunities he had. i asked chuck to lead this department at a moment of profound transition, and today we express our gratitude for the progress under his watch. after more than 13 years, our combat mission in afghanistan is over. because of chuck's direction, a strategic review has made difficult choices in a time of tight budgets while still making sure that our forces are ready to be called on for any contingency. today our troops are supporting

afghan forces. they continue to face richlsks. they're leading the coalition to destroy isil the coalition that includes arab nations because chuck strengthened key partnerships in the middle east. under his leadership our forces in west africa are helping to lead the global fight against ebola, save american lives and showing american leadership at its very best. chuck has prepared us for the century ahead. in the asia-pacific one of my foreign policy priorities, chuck helped modernize our alliances, bolster defense posture, improve communications between the united states and chinese militaries, all of which helps to ensure that the united states

remains a strong pacific power. because chuck helped build new trust will expand our defense cooperation -- i just demonstrated during my visit there the degree to which that partnership is moving in a new direction. that's partly attributable to work that chuck did. and the reforms that he launched will help make this department more efficient and innovative for years to come. thanks to secretary hagel's guiding hand this institution is better prepared for the future. perhaps your greatest impact a legacy that will be felt for decades to come is your service. it's how your life experience being down in the mud, feeling the bullets fly overhead has

allowed you to connect with your troops like no other secretary before you. you have welcomed our junior enlisted personnel to lunch in your office and made them feel at home. they told you what was really on their minds. when you spoke to our newest sergeant majors about the meaning of leadership and responsibility, they knew they were learning from one of their own. in those quiet moments when you have pinned a purple heart on a wounded warrior, you were there not just as secretary of defense, but an old army sergeant who knows the wages of war still carries the sharpshrapnel in their chest.

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ghost busters, what do you want? >> what "ghost busters" wants now? an all female cast. the presumptive leading ladies of the "ghost busters" reboot features photos of kristinen wiig. the films scheduled release is july 22nd 2016. that is the weekend between the republican and democratic national conversations. the gif represents my personal reaction to the news. here is my question. first off, you know full disclosure i'm a huge "ghost busters" fan.

so much so that i dressed up as a ghost buster last halloween. at any rate on this note we talk a lot about women in hollywood and women going to the movies. there's been some public outcry about the choice of all women to helm this franchise. do you think it is possible this this will be dealt with as a movie and not a chick flick? >> you know i feel like almost it is inevitable it will be discussed as a film that has women in starring roles, but i feel like comedy is one of the few areas where we don't have to lower the bar and try and make adjustments. people either laugh or they don't. "bridesmaids" was hilarious. so was "the heat."

i'm looking forward to it. i think it is completely appropriate because we're always being told sexism is a figment of our imagination. >> here's where -- maybe there's a little bit of daylight between us. when we talk about comedy if it is an all male cast it is just a comedy. if it is an all female comedy it is an all female comedy. there's a gender -- we make a point of mentioning it is all women in the starring comedic roles where we would never do that if it was men starring in the movie. >> we have to be careful in using that journalistic "we." we can help be responsible for

not doing that in a way. we do want to honor the fact that this is women and that women can -- we need to draw attention to the fact that it is women without giving it some kind of -- without making it a niche market. the only way that happens is if you keep having these kinds of movies being made. film is one of the few places you can start to do boundary crossing in a way that sometimes in real life you can't. i'm not saying that i'm waiting for the real-life female "ghost busters," although that would be awesome. >> and scary because that would mean ghosts would be overrunning our nation's biggest cities. zble >> i guess what i'm saying is it is up to the media to not do that typecasting and that pushing of movies into niches. it is also up to studio heads to keep putting out these movies.

>> that is something i want to talk about. we talk about the success of movies like "bridesmaids," the female audience being untapped potential, then you look at the movies that were put out last blockbuster season and they are targeted to 14-year-old boys. "guardians of the galaxy," "transformers," "x-men," and "dawn of the planet of the apes." we have moved into the adolescent, teen male fantasy world. >> you're not wrong. studios are run by women. the people who make decisions -- not run by women, but by men. i don't know if this is something you're going to see happen differently in smaller

scales like direct to video re releases releases. it is getting easier to make movies. you're seeing studios do their own kinds of movies. movies are advanced by kick starter funds. i don't want to say the future is rosy in this regard. i'm hopeful. i think one small step for "ghost busters," one large step for women in general. >> for movie making and comedy all those women are really hilarious. >> that's true. i want a female "indiana jones."

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he mulls a third run for the white house. he may be putting his car elevator home in la jolla on the market. a dejected romney went on a real estate spree snatching up properties following his 2012 loss. he simultaneously began building two multimillion dollar homes. he also bought a third, a slope side ski chalet but in park city utah. the price, $8.9 million. $8.9 million for a fourth home. they are turning into a political inconvenience for a man who has made poverty central to his 2016 campaign. romney, according to prepared remarks, will tell the audience that we need to lift people out of poverty. we have to help escape the

tragedy and trap of chronic generational poverty. that is all for "now." good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work. >> the iphone business for apple is now bigger than google and microsoft combined. >> apple wants it all. >> will big blue dominate the entire computer industry? >> they beat expectations by over 10% to 13%. >> this is a