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saturday morning. saturday before super sunday. it's a big weekend everywhere in america. in the headleans this morning, of course, mitt romney makes a big decision about whether he'll run again for president. and he's shaking up the rest of the field in the process. also the countdown continues, as we said in tomorrow's big game. mark leibowich will share what he learned hanging out behind the scenes with tom brady. we're very excited that he will be here to tell us what it's like behind the scenes with tom brady. and president obama gets ready to deliver on oneover of his state of the union promises or at least try to. we begin with the first casualty of the race for 2016 president was three weeks after shocking the political world with his

very idea that he was seriously considering a third presidential cam pa in. mitt romney raised the flag in a confidence call to supporters. >> after putting thought in making the run for president, i decided it's best to give other leaders in the party the opportunity to become our next leader. i am convinced that we could win the nomination, but i fully realize it would have been a difficult test and a hard fight. >> he ultimately concluded it was time for a new blood. >> i believe one of the next generations of republican leaders, one not as well known as i am today. one not yet taking a message from the country, one just getting started, may well be better able to defeat the democratic nominee.

part of the next generation of leaders that romney is talking about there, and there's a long reported history of ill will between jeb bush and mitt romney, too. for instance when romney was fighting for his political life in the florida primary in 2012 he appealed to bush the state's former governor for help but bush staid on the sidelines. when romney lost the 2012 bush was publish and candid in his criticism. >> what was wrong with romney's message? >> it was not a -- an open message. it was one that for a as good as he could have been as president. he got off in the primary, got off to a start and never really recovered. >> in private conversations, romney has been highly critical of bush's political skills and chances of winning in 2016.

his goal is to make an overwhelming show of force. and he's been making serious end roads to romney's camp. most recently this week when the top political defendant in iowa deflected to bush's team. he is now expected to become jeb bush's campaign manager. so bush is behind the scenes pressure campaign appears to have sped up romney's timetable and forced h imto make a final decision now. and h iz decision is to walk away. so wo does that decision help? well bush obviously, romney's absence means a lot of big dollar donors are up for grabs. bush has a choons to reel in a lot of them. it's also a bush for chris christie. christi had a long scheduled dinner with romney last night. christie was in danger of being squeezed out if both bush and romney run. now he has a better chance to

build a serious organization. kelly o'donnell spoke with ray washburn who says they're already taking calls from romney reporter who is are on the fence in their effort to raise $100 million. it's a boom for scott walker as well. the wisconsin governor pitching himself as a washington outsider and a fresh face in washington politics. now it will be easier to get attention or raise money. m and also what role mitt romney will play now. the daily news captured them leaving the harvard club. the would have been rival, will romney stay above the political fray and be an elder statesman, or will he get involved and throw his support behind candidate if he goes that route, there's no love lost between him and jeb bush. here to talk about everything that happened yesterday, we have

katie packard-gauge. she's here with us. dan balls, chief correspondent. and kacie hunt is in london. she's there ahead of chris christie christie's visit to that country. so i thank you all for getting up early and talking with us. dan, i guess they call the stories the tick-tok. you write that he basically settled on a no answer a week ago and then waited a few days to see how they felt. >> i think he was officely close to yes for a part of the period. everything he looked at told him he was in as good of shape during the nomination and to go on and challenge.

not that he had an easy past. their question back to me was who has an easier pass to the nomination? i think fe felt that was the case. he was in a strong position. as they went through this, one of the things they realized and as you know there was a tremendous amount of criticism from both opponents and allies about the idea he would get in again, he began to realize how he would look by time he went through the process. and i think when he began to realize how beat up he would be after a long, difficult primary contest contest, he thought he wouldn't be in as good a shape to take on presumably hillary clinton in the general election. >> kacie hunt the other sort of angle on this too, is that relationship, and we got into it in the intro, the relationship between jeb bush specifically, and mitt romney. and there's quite a history there. it can really go back to the

2008 campaign. these guys really that fond of the each other. i've talked to romney people who resented the way jeb bush ran in florida. a must-win primary. they got no help from jeb bush. how much of this was mitt romney, a guy who always wants to be president, look at jeb bush make these moves, come out of nowhere, get all the talk that he's the unifying candidate, and mitt romney looks around and says why does it have to be him? why can't it be me? how much of that was an element? this? >> i think it played a significant role in the buildup to this. in many ways they're both former governors that went onto careers in business. they're not that dissimilar. the people i spoke to familiar with romney's thinking said he didn't quite realize what he would go through with the career he had, having been associated with lehman brothers.

and i think there was bad blood from the lack of endorsement. and in particular onromann romney remember hd that and it's hard to state the outlook on romney's political rear as a driving force in his decision making. here's jeb bush. he said mitt is a patriot and join many in hoping his days of serving our nation and our party are not over. another reaction here from another republican candidate is scott walker. the governor of wisconsin. he said on twitter yesterday, had a great conversation with mitt romney. he's a good man. thanked him for his interest in opening the door for a fresh leader in america. mitt romney had dinner with chris christie. katie, you know romney very well. you worked on his campaign. the role he's going to play going forward in the nominating process.

and where do you think mitt romney ends up when he looks at the field? who does he like in the field, you think? >> i would expect mitt will be focused on building the party and very focused on defeating hillary clinton. that's his ultimate goes. a lot of folks will remember that chris christie did support romney early in the process. at a very critical time. certainly you remember people that played a significant role. i wouldn't overstate it. mitt romney is not a grudge holder. he will work to help whoever the best candidate is. fwu that statement yesterday, the line in the statement about finding a new leader from a new generation that people don't

know right now and i hope that's what happens. i hope that's what this process produces. that really is a direct shot at bush, isn't it? >> i think it's a commentary about his praise a opposed to somebody new. i think he's anxious to hear from the next generation of candidates we haven't heard from so much before. christie and walker and rubio, who again is another person very helpful to governor romney. i think he's interested in seeing the process play out and seeing the emerge. it's an exciting time for the party. >> dan, from your article in the "washington post" this morning, sort of the behind the scenes. you write romney's associates also say had bush sought his advice early on, he may have never been stirred to action. instead, bush's aggressive efforts spurred on the former massachusetts governor. it was like poking a bear, one romney associate said.

how much did that drive mitt romney? that sense of he deserved more respect from jeb bush? >> well, there's no question that what jeb bush has done over the last six weeks or so spurred mitt romney to take a serious look at this. the hope is he could hang back for some time. if the field didn't come together in a way that the party would turn to him. r f what he was told as jeb bush was making pretty aggressive moves if you want to take any look at this if you want any chance of being a candidate, you have to move now. but i do think also the notion that in one way or another jeb bush had not sought out mitt romney, i can't speak for what the governor's thoughts on that were. but certainly people around him felt if he had come out to utah and sat down and said i want to run. i really am going to run, i don't think governor romney anticipated originally i would like your support, give me your

advice. it might have gone down differently. that's a big what if. we don't know how we can answer that. the fact that governor romney moved was in direct response to what jeb bush was doing. >> and playing this forward now. plomgz didn't officially 100% close the door. let's assume mitt romney is out of this. we say jeb bush his whole game is to raise a lot of money and maybe intimidate other candidates, get republicans on board. a win for jeb bush yesterdays. it looks like an opening to chris christie, maybe. a lot of talk about scott walker. where do you see the big benefit in the republican field from mitt romney getting out? >> so you're right, steve. it almost thrusts jeb bush to a front-runner position. which we haven't totally had

yesterday. that's both good and potentially dangerous place to be. it makes her the big target for everybody else. we'll see how that plays out. it also gives an opening for crest christi. we talked about how he was squeezed out by this potential of a romney/bush battle. which donors will be leftover if he's fighting for the independent more moderate voters suddenly the door is cracked a little bit wider. his trip overseas here, for example. he's in london attending a soccer game. meeting with prime minister david cameron will bring it to him again. and skod walker burnishing foreign policy credentials and what have you, he's another one. if you look at the line that romney had in his call he is

somebody who really represents a new face as well that will get another look. in part because the establishment lens has widened about getting out. >> kacie hunt in london, request you you draw all the fun assignments. >> you have to call it football. keep that in mind. dan will be back with us later in the hour. thanks to msnbc's kacie hunt. more on mitt's big decision and the political world's reaction with our panel. that's next. and later live to arizona where they're putting the final touches on the festivities for tomorrow's big game. we'll also find out what makes tom brady tick. your mom's got your back. your friends have your back. your dog's definitely got your b # # but who's got your back when you need legal help? we do. we're legalzoom, and over the last 10 years, we've helped millions of people protect their families and n their businesses. we have the right people on-hand to answer your questions

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. we're back discussing the end of romney's threedebate about a third trial. we're going to take a look now at how mitt romney's decision creates a big hole in the republican field. this is a poll released hours before he made the announcement. it showed him way aload of the potential rivals. you can see romney at 21. huckabee second. jeb bush all the way down in fourth place at 10%. scott walker starting to move up to 8%. and chris christie clocking in at just 4%. we can make too much out of early polls. i always thought the early polls in this were a little interesting for two reasons. we always say name recognition. everyone knows romney and bush names. it's always been striking to me

the romney name is 2-1 ahead of the bush name. that tells you something about the mood of the republican party right now. in terms of romney people are saying he's ahead in the polls. why did he get out of the race right now? 21% against a field a lot stronger in 2012. there's a lot of room to fall. there. >> always thought 21 would be the ceiling, not the floor. everyone knows romney es name. he has a portion of the party that loves him and will be there for him. i guess i'm with you on my surprise with the bush number. but keep in mind his brother left office with republicans. and they look back at those years and think, wow, they were fiscally irresponsible. the iraq war, you know maybe some of them are still in favor. >> big government conservatism. and jeb is a different person.

he has the name. there's hesitancy supporting the candidate and his republican party. >> i would say the same. there's a looking back to the bush years and thinking we want to do this again? then you look at where the republicans are position wise. it's not that far from where george w. bush was. in many ways the party has not changed that much since the bush years. i'm puzzled by the unwillingness to give jeb a bit more of a chance. it seems like if i'm a republican primary voter, say what you will about bush but he won the election twice. and he's good on, you know several of these issues that we care about. social conservatism. jeb bush will eventually move

away. >> although see, i wonder about that. we talk about the history between bush and romney. and the root of the ill will between them is how mitt romney handled immigration as a candidate. who had been the moderate proimmigration reform. suddenly going against john mccain for illegals and aum these things. from all accounts jeb bush was offended by that and that was the source of the friction that's lasted for five years. yorn if he's don't know if he's willing to make that switch. >> we'll certain will find out. one of the other numbers i go back to. you were talking about household name, romney at the top of that. bush at the top of the. christie is at 4%. >> that's my point. we're talking about everyone

knows him. he's at four. that's not a good sign. >> i've been more bullish on christie in the face of the scandal. i'm surprised. i'm not sure he makes that pir row wet. you can say listen i can win a republican primary while being in favor of immigration reform. >> the john mccain strategy was like that triple bank shot. pro-gay marriage. pro-choice new york city mayor who cross dressed occasionally. rudy giuliani got in all sorts of trouble. mormonism caused issues with the right. i believe that. >> i believe jeb's liability isn't so much immigration reform. it's the image as this establishment money guy.

it's the coalition that hates that element of the party. >> this is why scott walker is the one to watch. he doesn't have bush's back baggage. he doesn't have christie's scandal. they are definitely interested in having someone in the race who represents the particulars. >> this is not a very political sciency thing to ask. does he have the personality? i remember watching in 2011. i said i'm starting to think personality matters more than i think. he made sense on paper for republicans. >> you anywayknow, scott walker's speech in iowa, it was a barn

barnstormer for a american governor, but it was good. >> that was such a backhanded compliments. >> the convention wisdom is it means good things for bush. it means good things for christi christie. but walker rubio, these types. for some reason there's only a finite amount of ink on certain discussions pages. with the internet you can write about everybody without having to pay. therest a limited attention span in the media and the establishment. the best example is 2008. joe biden. could not get his campaign talked about. there's hillary, obama. and john edwards. it's hard to get a lot of attention and press if you're not in the top tier. romney leaving does open up a little bit of space for other people to get a look.

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hasn't worked in the past and i don't think will work in the future. what i see in the states and from the people of the country outside of washington is a craving for something new, for something fresh, for something dynamic. >> the keyword there is fresh. listen for walker to be saying that a lot in the the next year. walker used it in his speech at the iowa freedom summit last weekend. it was a speech that brought him rousing accolades from the conservative activists in the room. activists who will be crucial in the iowa caucuses. rave reviews from national political watchers. walker's freshness pitch sets up a contrast with jeb bush the son of a political dynasty whose family name and some of the baggage that comes with the name is familiar to every american. in romney's announcement yesterday, he said he thinks the republican nominee should be from a younger generation. someone not as well know and just getting a footing on the national stage. walker is not the youngest of the political candidates. that distinction belongs to

marco rubio, but he is five years younger than chris christie and 14 years younger than jeb bush. and dan asked recently can scott walker's unflashy style breakthrough in the 2016 race? dan, you've been good enough to join us this morning. let me ask you about this. scott walker how would you say he fits into this race? because so often when we look at the republican field, we say there's the establish candidates and there's the tea party candidates, the grass roots candidates, the base candidates. to me it looks like walker is making the play to be an establishment candidate here but at the same time i can see him appealing to the zbrasz rootsroot grass roots. >> sometimes we draw these distinctions and try to draw them too thin. i think governor walker has more ability than the other candidates to have some appeal across different aspects of the

party. i mean clearly as a two-term sitting governor, he has a foot in the establishment camp. but at the same time the things he did in wisconsin, which ve polarizing in the state. hard a the state is more polarized around a political figure than scott walker. but a lot of what he has done has resonated tremendously with tea party types in the republican party, and i've been struck. i was in iowa last weekend and was out in san diego for the republican national committee meeting a couple of weeks ago where he also spoke. and he talks a lot in religious terms. he talked about during the difficult days in wisconsin, being sustained by the prayers of others. the prayers of others. and that resonates with religious and social conservatives in the party. you know i think overall, his message is really one of how he would put it big and bold

conservative reform ideas and approaches. that's the message he wants. in doing he's trying to convey both that he is fresh. second that he's a governmental reform prepared to shake things up. >> that idea using the word fresh over and over. the fact that he's a governor from the midwest, not in washington. even as a governor, he's new to the scene. nobody heard of him before 2011. put that against jeb bush and all that comes with the bush name and even christie who has loomed large in the national stage for many years now. what does that do to the republican primary voters? is that appetite there for like we don't want to be in washington? we want to get away from sort of to political leadership class that we traditionally hear of? >> if you look at what's happen hg the states, the republicans have made tremendous gains. they had big victories in 2010 which brought in a new generation of republican governors that included scott walker and chris christie the year before.

they've taken over so many state legislature ls. they have unified control of state government in almost two dozen states. so in a sense the energy and the focus of the republican movement at this point is in the states much more so than in washington. you hear a lot of people saying we node a governor as our presidential nominee in 2016. so that advantages anybody who is in scott walker's position. but as you know steve, i mean, this is a very long and difficult process. somebody can look good on paper and not be able to perform, not just on one particular day. governor walker had a very good day in iowa last saturday. but you have to be able to do that day in and day out. tough to be able to do that in the debates. you have to be able to put something of some substance on the table in terms of process and policy. and you have to be able you know to roll with the difficult days, because everybody has those. and how a candidate responds to that, at this early stage, is

unnoble. there's no question that governor romney's decision not to run opens up space for a scott walker and right now there is a tension on scott walker. and that is both a blessing and a considers. >> boy, listening to you describe all the pitfalls there, i'm thinking rick perry came in like a lion in 2011. did not quite end that way. dan balz appreciate it. >> thank you steve. still ahead, you may have seen him years ago, includening on this channel hosting his own talk show. maybe you know him from midnight run or behtoven. next, we're in the middle of the biggest party of the week. super bowl week. we'll be down there after this. push your enterprise and you can move the world. ♪ ♪ but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure.

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deflated ball issue. when the nfl checked them, they didn't weigh them. nobody knew what the they were at the start of the game. i'm saying he probably went to the bathroom. what i'm really saying is i don't think anything is ever going to be proven here. you have staunch denials from the patriots. you have tape turned over. i'm wondering if that's the case. if never proven and the patriots go out and win, is the world ready to say yeah they're the champions, or will this thing linger? >> this thing is going to linger for a while. here's why. there is this public perception. this reinforced the perception for me. the patriots don't always play by the rules. as owe know steve, from time to

time we may make something into a big deal. maybe it's not thatting a above a deal. i asked him if this was one of those instances. he said absolutely not. this is a big deal. this is not something every football quarterback does. and the fact of the matter is, you know ted welles is heading up the investigation for the league. the same prominent lawyer that led up the dolphins investigation two weeks ago. he's heading up the investigation. he has a great reputation. you hit the nail on the head there. we won't ever know what happened to those deflated footballs. and i think a lot of folks knew that was the case as soon as this thing started. bear in mind the new england patriots are a really good football team. they're the best in the afc.

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you live in brooklyn. >> i do. >> so is that your choice? >> i don't think brooklyn is going to get it. without getting too boring. the mayor is in a heated struggle with the nypd as we've covered on this show and elsewhere. they've tried to cause a little bit of trouble. they took out an ad in many papers a couple months ago. basically saying dnc, the battle days are here. don't want to bring your convention here. they did it as a bargaining play against de blasio. but i don't know. i think there's a lot of sort of, do you really want to bring the convention to a place mired in a little bit of controversy? it seems like a little built of a risk. zl you're ruining the segment. "the new york times." hillary clinton versus elizabeth warren could delight republicans. republicans say a warren primary run would hobble the general election bid.

this comes on the heels of politico that hillary clinton will delay the launch of her campaign until july. i guess it sounds ik you know the republicans are looking up and saying we have 18 candidates. they have one plus jim web plus whoever. >> don't make us look this bad, democrats. come on. >> they're counting on some kind of hillary obama thing. >> we should have a clock on the screen here. from the hill down in washington, d.c. obama to dems. oh boy. get informed. not by reading the the huffington post. sorry, sam. we put this in because you're here. told liberal democrats to get more information on the huge trade deal he's working on before attacking it. he made the remarks at a closed door session with house democrats on thursday. this after the huffing on the

post was critical. >> firstle of all, he blogged for us the same day he criticized us. whatever. we're thinking of moving him, when he's done with the presidency, he can run the hawaii bureau. we'll offer it as an olive branch. we had a better 2014 than obama did. >> we did. >> the huffington post obama relationship is coming apart right in front of our eyes. dan akroid delighted by all female ghost busters. alaska r and it will be directed by the director of "bridesmaids." >> interesting. >> i loved ghostbusters. >> freaks and geeks. >> yeah. my favorite part of the story is the people who are mad about it. of course everyone knows only men can bust ghosts.

why can't women be ghost busters? people are upset about this. >> the problem is sometimes remakes are really bad. but i'm pretty excited about this one. >> i like -- sequels are almost always bad. when there's real distance there's time to update and reimagine it. and these are funny people. i'm really interested to see this. what do we have? the the last one here is the seahawks. richard sherman faces a dilemma with baby and super bowl. coach pete carroll says it will be sherman's decision whether to play in sunday's super bowl if his girlfriend goes into labor sooner than expected. >> that headline makes it sound like the baby will actually be playing. >> he has a good leg for kicking, i'm told. what do you do? >> you play in the super bowl! i'm sorry. it's a tough decision. >> do you have kids? >> i have a dog. >> slate is probably the best to

answer because he has kids. >> would you miss your child's birth to be on steve kornacki's game show? >> that's a really hard question. i don't know. >> so big career break. you're going to -- like something huge could happen in your career. you have to be there at 6:30. your wife calls at 6:15 and says water just broke. what do you do? >> i will say this. this is a relatively new thing where athletes are attending the birth. we were talking about this offset just before. this past year or two years, major league baseball paternity where they can leave for the birth of a child and be gone. before that athletes were missing births all the time. i don't think it's a good thing. so it wouldn't be that unusual for sherman to do this. that's my way of not answering the question. happy marriage. >> anyway. thank you guys. we'll see you later in the show. tom brady will lead the patriots in tomorrow night's super bowl. one reporter who got the assignment of a lifetime to hang

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all right, the big news at the top of the show. mitt romney is out of the presidential race. jeb bush may be the front-runner now raising all the money. he has the big name. there are serious ominous signs for jeb bush. even with mitt romney out of the race. we want to show you exactly what these numbers the el ustell us. this is the lafs poll taken before mitt romney's announcement he would not run. with romney in there, first place with 21%. look who is many in second

place. mike huckabee. third place, rand paul. not jeb bush. you have to go all the way over here. that's where jeb bush pops up in that matchup. 10%. given the name the money he's raising, the expectations, that's very weak. this is the average from all polls taken by real clear politics. mitt romney is not included. that's as weak as you'll find from anybody a front-runner in any national race. all voters nationally, positive negative view of jeb bush. 19 positive. 32 negative. compare it to the same time when his brother george w. started running for the presidency in 2000. at the same point, where was george w.? look at this. 60-8. look at that huge difference. that tells you a lot about the

bush baggage, bush fatigue. you can see this among republicans. 37-15 positive view for jeb bush. that's good but not great. this is the thing mng tea partyers barely more people have a positive view than negative. and finally this if you're jeb bush, nominate me. when you're seeing bush losing by 13 points very tough argument made from republicans. a lot more resistance than his brother faced. more news and politics ahead. stay with us. $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all.

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and thanks for staying with us this saturday morning. tom brady is ready to fight for a super bowl champion. he spent the season hanging out with brady in an effort to find out what drives him to win. president obama is preparing to pick a fight with the republican congress to accomplish one of the goal os it have state of the union. how will that play out? the one and only charles grodin is going to join us this hour. i'm very excited about it. but first, we begin this hour with the massive clunky list of republicans looking to run for president. it was shortened by one name. by one very big name. >> after putting considerable thought into making another run for president, i've decided it's best to give other leaders in the party the opportunity to become the next nominee. i fully realize it would have

been a difficult task and a hard fight. >> and so the 2012 has now ended the campaign. one that would burn the depths of his burning desire to be president some day. romney's son telling the boston globe his father could win the nomination but all the guns would be trained on it. and coming out we would face hillary clinton. she would the first female nominee. giving how tough the primary would be, his calculation was he would emerge not in a position of strength to take her on. boston globe national politics advisor covered mitt romney in 2012. he's been back on the road with romney. the third romney campaign after 2012 you and everybody else in the free world figured would never happen. well, it's not going to happen. but it came closer than we thought. you know mitt romney very well. you watched him so close up.

take us through your read on him. what motivated him to get out in the end. first what motivated him to get in was jeb bush. jeb bush was acting earlier that people anticipated. and romney felt he needed to signal this was happening if he wanted a chance to think about it. he was losing donors and staff members. he was encouraged by former staffers, by former supporters of his to consider this. i think that's what caused him to think about this. what caused him to get out i think was a gut check. over the last weekend he thought about this. i was in utah. he talked with his family and decided ultimately not to do this. it would be too big of a divisive primary. he would have emerged, as tag

was saying you know with all the guns trained on him. it would have been difficult road ahead. >> what do you think the road ahead is now? does he retreat and not get involved in day-to-day politics and try to be a bigger than the party statesman like figure, or is this a race where he says i've got a lot of friends with money, i've got a lot of influence. i want to get behind a candidate. where do you think he goes? >> all indications are he does not want to get involved with the primary. that said you can imagine if somebody is emerging that romney is wholeheartedly against, then he might get involved late in the process to tip the scales. but nobody expects him to sort of get involved in the next six or eight months for sure. we see him as trying to return to the statesman like posture.

really he had it four weeks ago. it's a question of whether the three-week flirtation does anything to damage that in the mind of other republicans. i don't know that it will have a huge long-term effect. maybe in the short term there's a little bit of head scratching over romney's maneuvers. when do you think in what role will we see him again? he's in his late 60s. he's run twice. he had the olympics before. is there a next big act for him? is he a luminary that pops up at conventions every four years. >> i think politically he fades. this was the same feeling after his loss. he's not the type to retire and putter around the garage.

romney wants to be involved in a public way in doing things. he retreated with his family in the year after he lost and started to emerge a little bit more on the campaign trail. i sort of think he finds some cause, some sort of thing to get behind and work on. whether that's with his church in the mormon church or some kind of nonprofit or something romney could sort of devote his life to. i think he's a very active guy who wants to be involved in things. i think he'll still be involved politically a little bit, but i can't imagine him running for office again. >> appreciate the time this morning. >> mark leibovich has the best timing in the world. he's one of the top political writers in the business and spent much of the past year covering something else. football. and in particular one player, tom brady. that means when leibovich's

feature story for tomorrow's magazine hit the web this week, he looked like a genius. a genius who got to hang out with tom brady at tom brady's house. and actually two of his houses. more like fortresses. brady won three super bowls early in his career. he hasn't one the big one in ten years now. at the age of 37 practically geriatric for an nfl quarterback, he has something to prove in tomorrow's super bowl. that was before the deflated football scandal. tom brady cannot stop. he has long prided himself on the fact he succeeded despite not being the most gifted or talented athlete. i'm always a thinker. i've got to outthink them brady says. he says he does things through the prism of people who doubt

himt him. his ability, his age and now his integrity. mark leibovich is the chief national kor responsible for "the new york times" with this week's cover story. sam stein is back at the table as well. ment the excerpt we just read i've been trying to figure it out. i watched the press conference from foxboro. that was more rattleded tom brady than i had seen. it made me think, this is getting to him in pa way nothing else has gotten to him before. and it may affect his performance. but from what you're writing, this should be something he thrives on. >> i think it took him a while to click in. his whole career as the excerpt indicates has been one in which he's very much defined by the chip on his shoulder, by the fact that so many people have doubted him. in the middle of the press

conference, something seemed to click where he said the team is going to rally around this. it's sort of us against the world. a lot of teams take on the and use this as a rallying point. what the heck? sh everyone doesn't like us. we believe in each other and we're going to go guard. it was a stunning chapter. after they won the championship game, i thought, we look like geniuses. the timing is working out perfectly. we have super bowl sunday coming up. then we're thinking how are we going to rewrite this h? is he going to be playing? there was wild talk of a suspension. i think is clearly back in a place where this could be an asset. >> look, you're a patriots fan. i grew up a patriots fan, too. i remember the darkest years of new england patriots history. the fact of what's happened with tom brady and bill belichick.

it's still staggering to think about. six trips to the super bowl. here's brady 37 years old. it's not like paytoneyton manning. you don't see the decline setting in yet. the very strict lifestyle he adheres to in an attempt to prolong the career. what are the sorts of things you see him doing? what will it mean in terms of how long he can play? >> normally i'm around politicians. but this excursion was incredible. he's as dedicated to his craft. the way he eats. ob senszivesessively with a diet in mind to prepare him to optimize his abilities now and years to go forward. his workouts which are two to three times a day. his body coach.

hez an exhaustive reach into his life. again, his obsessive sleep schedules. i think someone like johnny manziel could learn a great deal watching tom brady. >> you have to watch steve and the way he approaches the doughnut table. just like brady with his diet. for non-pats fans myself included. >> what are you doing here? >> sorry, sorry. there's an inherent contradiction. there's something maddening about brady. here's a guy that no one believes him time and again. he has a great chip on his shoulder, and he may be the most blessed of all time. he has three super bowl rings. he's married to a world class supermodel. he's good looking guy. he's rich. he has the fortress households. how does he continue to get the chip on the shoulder when life has been so damn good to him for

like 15 straight years now? >> i think he's earned it be the fact that he worked so hard to overcome, first of all, really big deficits in natural talent and ability. and also the belief of the traditional talent evaluators of college football and nfl. people tend to remember times earlier in your life when you have been doubted. when you ask him to talk about what's been formative to him. i was a sixth round draft pick. i was buried in the depth chart in michigan. no one believed in me. he would say it's the only resumé that matters. much more so than anything he would be table to build in his career. >> the first two careers when he came out of nowhere, and then suddenly here is tom brady. he was humble and modest and it

was part of the appeal. the guy you got to hang out with, did he still seem that way? oar does it seem like all the money and the fame do you get a sense it's changed his personality? >> no, he's very humble down to earth and settled person. is what's remarkable is how open minded he is. he has friends from all walks of life. but he doesn't like being exclusively around people who are, say, sports writers. so i was very very impressed with how open his eyes were and how doum to earth he seemed. >> it's a fantastic article if you haven't read it yet. check that out. still ahead mp, before i had this talk show i watched another cable news talk show

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just a few hours before mitt romney took himself out of the 2016 mix, the man who defeated him took a shot at his old rival. >> we have a former presidential candidate on the other side who is suddenly deeply concerned about poverty. that's great. let's go! come on. let's do something about it! >> that's not the only fight president obama is now trying to pick, though. in 48 hours the president will send him a budget blueprint. it's a showdown waiting to happen. it's reported obama wants to get

rid of the strict spending caps that were part of the 2011 debt ceiling deal. he wants to pay for it by taxing the rich. we heard about this plan in the days before the state of the union address. now obama is taking the next step. here's how it's described by the president. it's a progressive's dream version of obama unat the timeerred. flirtations with grand bargains with republicans on entitlement reform. to see how the white house is gearing up for the next fiscal showdown, we go live to kristen welker at the white house. they've got the bunl et ready. what are they expecting to get out of this? >> well, steve, first they're calling for the president calling for increasing spending by $74 billion. that's 7%. by reversing and ending the sequester you just talked about. the deep across the board spending cuts that went into effect in 2011, he's going to

make the argument that will pay for so-called middle class priorities, like funding child care, community college, paid sick leave. things the middle class, priorities that the middle class really care about. republicans were quick to respond. they say the proposal is dead on arrival. this is the reaction from john boehner. he says republicans believe there are ways. until he gets soors about solving our long-term spending problem, it's hard to take him seriously. this is starting the conversation, but the president feels he has an argument to make because the economy is stronger and all the things i mentioned,

steve, pull well. these are things americans like. president obama will make his case by taking it on the road. yul see him trying to sell the budget and proposal. tls also laying the ground work for 2016. >> kristen welker is live at the white house. moving from the white house to the other end of pennsylvania ave to see how congress is reacting to the president's opening bid after seeing the outline of obama's plan on thursday, republican senator orrin hatch of utah told the "washington post," quote, he's the most liberal, fiscally irresponsible president we've had in history. joining me to provide another perspective is congresswoman, rosa deloro. so let me ask you to try to merge what you want with the political realities. any idea of raising taxes to pay for this is off the the table.

do you see potential grounds for a compromise with the republicans that run congress that would get the extra spending the president is looking for and get enough republicans to sign off on it. do you see a basis for that? >> this is going to be a big debate. i find the president's budget liberating. what we have seen over the last several years with these austerity budgets is that there has been no investments, critical investments in the country. and we haven't been able to focus on raising incomes. and biomedical research. the president is suggesting let's reverse this at this time. because the economy is stronger. we have much to do but it is stronger. the fact of the matter is what's happened with spending. my republican colleagues don't want to talk about tax

expenditures. toox expenditures are spending. and every year we spend a trillion and a half dollars on tax breaks. >> loophole incentives. >> that's right. >> so you're saying you want republicans to think of that not as tax cuts but on the spending side. >> not the republicans. the country needs to understand and we need to categorize that as spending. it outspends social security medicare the defense budget. and all of the programs like chil care headstart, education, biomedical research. >> i take your point. that seems like an awfully tough sell to republican. short of doing that is there any way to get to a compromise here? >> but the point is shouldn't we have this debate? that's why i say the president's

budget is liberating. it kicks down the door that has -- whether it's austerity budgets have constrained economic growth in the united states. not not make the critical mistakes. let's invest in the country and make sure the middle class gets a tax break. that's what he does in this budget for the balance. and i think it's going to be an exciting debate. one that is necessary, and i hopeful that while it's difficult that we can come to a position where we have economic growth and the middle class that has not seen its wages grow over the last decades begin to see that their economic success is what our priority is. >> okay.

well it is a debate that will be kicking off this week. we thank you congresswoman rosa from connecticut if for the preview. appreciate you being on the show today. >> still ahead. the last semifinal championship game. it rolls on in just a little bit. but next the biggest reasons mitt romney chose not to run for a third time. stay with us.

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i have decided to actively explore the possibility of running for president of the united states. if that wording seems very careful, maybe legalistic, it's for good reason. it's supposed to be careful and legalistic. because what jeb bush is doing is something we have never seen before. he's started his own super pac. you can raise as much money from anybody you want. it's unlimited. and of course the bush goal for the next few months is to be putting as much pressure as he can, as the people around him can to get on board now and pony up with a big check. you can tell those people hey, you have to give me 2600 bucks. that's the max. if you have a super pac, you can raise a lot more. that's what jeb bush set up. when he formally becomes a

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competing if for the final championship slot. 20 points. 300 points. the round has been expanding. it's been super sized because we're in the tournament. you can ring in at any time. you will be penalized for a wrong answer. we will have two bonus questions scattered throughout here. studio audience, as always. i must must caution you. please remain silent. the contestants deserve silence up against the clock. contestants contestants. put your hands on your buzzer. and the final semifinal matchup begins with this. jailed this week for resisting arrest was the son of this nevada rancher whose standoff -- >> cliven bundy. >> that's correct. 100 points for jamelle.

in a dramatic decline from the third quarter of 2014, the commerce department reported this week the rate of growth of this committee economic -- jamelle. >> gdp. >> that's right. it slowed in the final kweert. that's correct. 100 point tossup. it was reported the iphone of this presidential -- >> sam? >> oh shoot. i should have waited for the end of the question. jeb bush. >> incorrect. i it includes an easy to access link to dicktionary.com. we'll call time. it was rick perry. rick perry. >> of course. this comedy legend -- jamelle. >> eddie murphy. it was report that had david letterman wants to invite -- >> blake? >> jay leno. >> incorrect. i'll complete the question. wants to invite former late

night rival jay leno to appear on the show before it ends -- >> stephen colbert. >> stephen colbert will be next. that's correct. the republican senator considering a presidential bid skipped thursday's vote. >> marco rubio. after 15 years the pioneer political blogging -- >> andrew sullivan. 100-point toss-up question. the marquee attraction in sunday's super bowl halftime show will be -- >> katy perry? >> incorrect. will be pop icon katy perry, who will follow in the footsteps of this headliner from last year's super bowl show? >> beyonce. >> incorrect. >> no guess for sam. >> it was bruno mars. >> oh, yeah. that takes us to the end of the first round.

sam 100. blake, a little quick on the buzzer. good news for everybody. things get crazier, a lot more funky. twice as valuable. twice as easy to catch up. we begin the 200-point round with this. john mccain barked -- >> blake? >> kissing jer ingkissinger. >> incorrect. to protesters who interrupted a hearing featuring henry kissinger and -- >> schultz. >> correct. >> spurning favorite sons ted cruz and rick perry will reportedly resign to work for this potential republican presidential candidate and kentucky senator. >> rand paul. >> that's correct. 200 points 2678900-point toss-up question here.

failure to shovel snow -- >> john kerry. >> correct. stop the clock. johnd $50 for failing to shovel his boston home. you have triggered the lose it or use it bonus question. you have a choice whether you want to use the question or not. if you use it and successfully answer it we will double what you just won. if you use it and incorrectly answer, we'll take the 200 points away. i have your bonus question here. you will use it. she's a gambling man. john kerry kicked off his successful bid for the 2004 democratic nomination with a victory in the iowa caucuses. who finished second? >> edwards. >> john edwards. that's right. 200 more points for jamelle. it was reported that congressman

steve scalise -- >> david duke. >> david duke is threatening a challenge in the primary. in an interview with rachael ray he said if hillary becomes president he may adopt what nickname? >> first man? >> incorrect. >> oh shoot. >> jamelle, want to take a guess? >> he said adam. a weird answer. confirmation hearings new york senator chuck schumer said loretta lynch is capable of suffering through anything because of her experience of this nba team. >> new york knicks. >> 200-point tossup. the ipo more than doubled for this popular burger and fries chain. >> shakes shack is on fire. 200-point tossup. that brings us to the end of the

the round. sam, second place there behind jamelle. and lurking behind is blake. >> your son is watching you. pick it up. >> as jamelle can tell you, the third round is crazy. you could do the same. this is the third and final round. 300-point questions. high stakes. we're going to dim the lights for dramatic effect. in the final spot in the championship game will be decided starting now. a pop list uprising brought to power -- blake? >> in greece that's correct. bowing to pressure from the obama administration, this senator promised this week to hold off until the end of mar sfl. >> robert menendez. a bill to force the authorization of the keystone xl pipeline cleared the senate with how many votes?

>> 63. >> incorrect. >> 2! >> anyone want to guess? >> 62. 300-point tossup. the youngstown v -- ted strickland. an eviction notice was sent to jimmy mc -- >> rent is too damn high! >> yes, better known as the face of the rent is too damn high party. 300-point tossup. with another trip to new hampshire scheduled next month, this former maryland governor -- >> bob -- >> yes. that's correct. 300 points. mitt romney declined to run for president again this week, this one-time democratic presidential nominee remains the last major party presidential nominee to run again for the white house after losing. >> stevenson. >> incorrect. no guesses?

call time. george mcgovern. 300-point tossup. the husband of terry shiva blamed this -- >> incorrect. >> jeb bush. >> correct. last one. a ceremony commemorated the 50th anniversary of the death of this statesman. time! it was -- it was just sir winston churchill. it brings us to the end. with a dramatic and narrow victory. jamell right there at the end. con grandchildgratulateions congratulations, sam. you have won the final spot. when we come back, the one and only charles grodin is going to be here. stick around for that.

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he is not a senate candidate. he's the star of the movie beethoven. >> that was a fun thing we did back in 2013. there was a new jersey senate primary going on. no one was following it so we trekked out to a mall and showed pictures to voters. some were real candidates. some were random celebrities. surprising number identified charles groed. en as a politician. i grew up practically idolizing him and the best things about the show is it means i got to sit down with him earlier this week and i can show you this dmou. >> i would watch the carson show late at night. you going on that show in the character of the hostile guest, this is johnny carson the king of late night television.

where did that come from? >> ts first time i was on was 1973 with johnny carson. i'm backstage about to come through the curtain. nobody knew who i was. i thought to myself, what am i going to say? i enjoyed making the movie and happy to be here and enjoy this and that. what am i going to do? i decided right then and there to become a contrarian. it hit me just before i walked out. no one sees me like u that in life. >> did carson get it right away? >> he got it and then he didn't. and then i wasn't on with him. at first they'd tell me i was the first person out of three people he put under contract as a guest. >> don't you have an entourage? >> pupil you don't have an ent

entourage entourage? >> do you bathe yourself? do you feed yourself? do you cut your own food? i do nothing myself anymore. >> i see, interesting. >> you don't have that. see, it shows. >> you think about people on tv a lot, totally different off the air than what people saw on the air. >> not with me. i forget who wrote this book. >> it came out a couple years ago u. >> i didn't know that because it's got stuff in there that was astonishing. one of the things i did was i'd say who are you really? if i would have known what was in that book i probably wouldn't have done that because we're talking about in the book. this is definitely not something you would expect. very unusual.

>> that caused a lot of waves when that came out. let me talk about you as an actor but also talk show host charles gro din. if people know you from something current, it's louisc.k.'s show. did you know him before? >> it's all him. generally the norm for me in movies or anything like that is i'll do some improvisation but every word the direction is exactly the first thing i did i was eating a sandwich. and i'm reading the newspaper and eating a sandwich. he did. he asked me to do that. he's sensational. i think i'm going back on with him in the standoff stuff.

>> did he think of that character? did he think of you when he was writing that character? i watched it and i'm like that's charles grodin as a doctor. >> he wrote me a letter and canned if i would come on and i did. i really look forward to it. he's really unusual. first of all, if you have seen him, he walks out there as relaxed as if he's in his own living room. he was like that in his 20s. so he's a sensational talent. i'm very happy to be in his presence. >> it's such a unique show. also we say talk show host. so technically you're a former msnbc host. you have a new movie out right now. >> that's "the humbling." and then in march a movie with

ben stiller and adam driver. i haven't seen that one, but i hear it's very good. that's the end of march. when they call me to do a movie, i don't ever say how much, i say where. because i haven't been anywhere. i haven't been out to the west coast for 20 years. i don't really -- you know, i forget where the line comes from. some line from an old comedy routine about somebody who didn't work and the line was thanks god he doesn't have to. >> it's a good place to be. let me close with one thing. i always wonder about this. when i talk to people, especially my generation, they say beethoven.

do you like that? >> when i talk to people, or just meet them, depending on their age i will say did you see the beethoven movies. >> this is my new final question. is there a sequel of "midnight run"? >> they are trying to do it. they sent me a script. i had my son read it. it didn't get done. it wasn't good enough. >> hopefully another draft comes back. >> i'm in touch with him from time to time. >> we're hoping for that one. but charles grodin, thank you for coming in. >> u yo know what's great about you. you show a tremendous amount of interest. >> i'm not like carson. i care what you say. >> i couldn't resist that. it's a great job you're doing, really. >> you ought to be hosting a show. >> charles, thank you so much. >> thank you very much. charles grodin that was the time of my life.

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