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is a psa about domestic violence. it was interesting and felt like a lot of criticism in years past about gender politics of the ads had been listened to. it will be interesting to see if we can have more fun next year. good evening, rachel. >> fair question whether or not you are sort of emotional reaction to that ad did make you want to buy panty liners more than before the ad. >> i hadn't considered it until mike asked me. >> i mortgaged my house. >> no place to live. >> that's right. it will all be water tight. thank you, guys. amazing. thank you for you at home for joining us this hour. anyone who wants to send me personal con dprachlations on the patriots winning the super bowl because i'm convinced i did it somehow, you can send them to my e-mail address. also, see how my finger looks like a funny shape.
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i have a giant band-aid on my finger because i was really excited watching the patriots win the super bowl while i was simultaneously grating cheese. exactly. that's why i have the funny-shaped band-aid on my finger. with we'll dispatch with that. at the height of the 2012 presidential campaign the republican candidate for president mitt romney took a trip to london. this is the summer of 2012. in mitt romney's 2012 trip to london went very poorly. this picture shows how poorly it went. this is pretty much the best summary ever written about how that trip went. what's going on in this photo is mitt romney is doing a joint appearance with the leader of the labour party at this time ed miliband. how do you think he feels with mitt romney's visit with him at this moment? during this joint appearance mitt romney appeared to forget
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ed miliband's name. he described him as mr. leader which sounds like a nice complimentary thing. that's not a term used in britain. no one knew what he was talking about. to the british press it is like mitt romney thought the guy's name was ed leader instead of miliband. on that same trip he did an interview in which he disparage british preparations for the summer olympics. mitt romney in an interview cited hi experience with this the salt lake city city games and he said during his visit to london he saw a few things that were disconcerted about the british preparation for the olympic games that summer. that prompted this response from david cameron. we are holding the olympic games in one of the busiest active bustling cities in the world. it is easier if you hold olympic games in the middle of nowhere
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or as we call can it, utah. >> on that same trip all in one trip, mitt romney also bragged publicly to british reporters he had been given a -- of the mi 6. that is equivalent to our cia. but mi 6 is way more secret. the politicians are never supposed to say the name mi6 or admit that it exists. >> i appreciated the insights and perspectives of the leaders of the government and the head of mi-6. as we discussed syria. >> that meeting, had not been on his public schedule while he was in london. it was supposed to be a secret. he was definitely not supposed to talk about it with reporter and he found it too ir response thabl he had to tell them he had
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the meeting you are still not supposed to say it is with the head of mi-6. the daily mail was told his trip was a total car crash and worse than sarah palin. and that they said in meeting with him they found him to be devoid of charm, warmth, humor or sincerity. mitt romney in the summer of 2012 when he was running for president had a terrible trip to london. the sun tabloid newspaper summed up their take mitt the twit. wannabe u.s. president. mitt romney's olympics gaffe overshadowed his visit to london. mitt romney visits london while stumbling on almost every front. mitt romney's olympic stumbles in london. mitt romney trip begins in shambles. that trip inspired the hashtag romney shambles that trended in
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britain and the united states while he was there. this mitt person is an american borat, right? hash #romney shambles. it may not be his fault. it maybe the mix of london and american politicians. a few weeks ago, the american tv channel fox news became a laughing stock all over britain when they put somebody on the air who insisted there were parts of england where only muslims were allowed, including he said the entire major city of birmingham. that led 0 a response where british people tried to explain the birmingham allegation from the fox news perspective. the hashtag on that was fox news facts. the city is called birming because ham is not allowed. fox news facts. birling ham has a chain of fast food restaurants called birmig
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king. >> jam jars are radicalized. see jam jars in tiny burr kas. i choked on my pore age enthought it must be april fool's day. this guy is an idiot. fox news within a couple of days to a lot of people's surprise they apologized on multiple shows using multiple fox news hosts. they said they were sorry for having made this allegation and would never book that guy again. what he said was not true and soifr for prop pull gating those games for being no-no go zones in britain. it was even bigger news when fox took a step and apologized for having done it. right after the apology,
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literally the day after fox news started to apologize for this bobby jindal, governor of louisiana, man who wants to run for president in 2016 he went to london and gave a speech what about he still believed to be these no-go zones for nonmuslims, even though it was the funniest news story in britain by the time he got. there the source of the false information, fox news retracted the statement and said they were joir. bobby jindal had his noise cancelling head phones on and didn't know it and he went over there gave a speech trying to revive it. american and london politicians not a good mix. it happened again today. if you are an american politician who wants to be president, think of london as quick sand. feel free to go and look. drink warm beer enjoy yourself but don't speak when you are there. it never goes well. things started off a little bit
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okay, sort of, for new jersey governor chris christie. he went to a soccer match wear withing a red and white scar. . that wasn't too bad. there was rhyme and reason to his trip. new jersey has had a health care industry, drug and medical device manufacturers. they have a good chunk of the new jersey economy. so it made sense as part of a trade mission to attract international business interest in new jersey the state's governor upon arriving in britain would find a way to visit the manufacturer of a flu vaccine. plus while he was touring the facility he got to wear the safety glasses and lab coat can. all made him look smart. you are trying to look presidential. this is good. fur running for a president, do a photo op at a place that makes vaccines. there are good things about this. but if you do that while the united states is undergoing an epidemic of a disease that can be prevent ed by vaccines that
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people aren't taking for some unexplicable reason you as a candidate will get asked about vaccines and so you should have an answer ready for that inevitable question governor christie. >> governor, this company makes vaccines. there's debate going on in the united states, the measles outbreak caused in part by people not vaccinating their kids. do you think the measles vaccine is safe? >> we vaccinate ours. that's the best expression i can give you my opinion. it is much more important as a parent than what you think as a public official. that's what we do. i also understand that parents need to have some measure of choice in things as well. that's the balance the government has to decide. >> parents need to have a measure of choice in some things as well.
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>> he may have wanted his trip to be about him looking presidential abroad or looking smart in a lab coat but instead about chris christie appearing to support the super dangerous of american parenting deciding their kids shouldn't be vaccinated against the measles. his office had to go back later in the day and clarify his remarks saying of course parents should vaccinate their kids against measles. by then it is a big story and not what chris christie wanted his trip to london to be about. apparently it is dangerous when american politicians go to london. they say stuff that gets them in trouble. >> this became a big enough story, it became a big enough story when chris christie was in london today the story spread across the pond back to the united states and seems to have
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infected rand paul. maybe in a worse way. once the chris christie story about him appearing to question vaccinations for measles. once the story took off, other would be contenders like rand paul should have known they would be asked about this thing. you ought to have an an ready, senator paul. >> i'm not anti-vaccine at all. particularly most of them ought to be voluntary. i was annoyed when my kids were born they wanted them to take hepatitis b in this neonatal area. and that is a sexually transmitted disease and i delayed them and had them staggered over time. >> i should have done that. i should have talked to you. >> i should have talked to you because you are a doctor after all. rand paul is not that kind of doctor. rand paul for years was a member of a conspiracy theory laden alternative doctor's association called the association of american physicians and
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surgeons. sounds like a straightforward group. always pick names that make them sound upstanding but the association says hiv does not cause aids. they safe it is evil and immoral for doctors to participate in medicare. and they say, yes, vaccines cause autism. therefore you maybe shouldn't vaccinate your kids. the american association of physicians and surgeons. here's rand paul talking to them in 2009. this was posted on-line today by buzz feed. >> thank you very much for having me. catherine neglected to mention one thing i'm not a newcomer to aps. i have been a member since 1990. it could have been when with i was in medical school but at least since 1990. >> rand paul addressing the association american physicians and surgeons anti-vaccine
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conspiracy theory laden doctor's association said he had belonged to the group for almost 20 years at that point and maybe longer. today as the cdc announced we are up over 100 cases of measles in 14 states now because people are afraid of the vaccine because they believe scientifically untrue conspiracy theories about that vaccine. today as chris christie had his london trip overshadowed by the statements of whether kids should be vaccinated against measles. rand paul was asked first about vaccinating against measles on right wing talk radio and obviously a follow up to that. he was asked on cnbc and look what he said when he was asked to clarify on c thbs today. >> i have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking,
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normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. >> senator rand paul of kentucky really did say that on cnbc. he wants you to think of him as a doctor as he is running for president. senator rand paul until today was seen i guess by some peep as a top tier presidential candidate. honestly with this thing he did today, he totally puld michele bachmann. >> a woman came up crying to me tonight after the debate. she said her daughter was given that vaccine. she told me her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine. there are dangerous consequences. >> that is michele bachmann during the 2012 presidential campaign. the last she was heard of in that campaign. after she said that even the right, that loves michele bachmann, even the right basically said that was a disqualifying iging nor rant and dangerous remark for somebody running for president of the united states. the conservative magazine "the
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weekly standard," quote, bach man seemed to go off the deep end. she got duped in to repeating a vaccine scare urban legend on national televisioning. even on right wing talk radio even the rush limbaugh show, what michelle bachman did in 2012 it was too much too far. >> i will tell you michele bachmann may have blown it today. she may have jumped the shark today. mr. limb beau but a said there is no evidence the vaccine causes mental retardation that was the rush limbaugh show in 2011. this is not a partisan thing. it didn't used to be a partisan thing at least. vac sib nations, this is not like global warming where is a scientific consensus and conservatives decided not to believe it or say they don't
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believe it for political reasons. but is that now what we are getting on public health and specifically on vaccines? does it make sense in the internal logic of the right? if you think of their internal logic. if you deny the science on climate change that at least gets you the koch brothers, right? koch brothers and other corporate interest who don't want steps to be taken to fight climate change they will support and praise you for denying the science of climate change. if you deny the science on measles, what does that get you? what does that get you on the right? it started off today with chris christie being the latest would be presidential contender who had a bad day in lon done don't. this crossed back to this side of the thet atlantic and a bigger question of whether there is a new really important part of the scientific consensus that
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his presuper bowl interview. the message get your kids vaccinated is a different message from chris christie and rand paul today. joining us is ryan grim washington bureau chief from huffing on the post. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> when christie said that parents should be able to choose whether or not to vaccinate their kids, who is he appealing to or was this just a screw up? >> i think what he was doing there is he flashed back immediately to his last public health intervention. complete debacle during the ebola freak out. where he basically detained this new jersey nurse for a matter of several weeks saying look you have been to africa. we're not letting you out of here. she is like i don't have ebola. so you know he completely stripped her of all civil
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liberties. he then was completely embarrassed at the way that unfolded. now i think he overreacted to his initial overreaction. he is thinking how do i respond this time and he started to think of the parent's choice movement and these anti--va xers out there and he wanted to throw them bone at the end there. he wasn't prepared for the question. as you could tell the way his office came out a couple of hours later. good for them, by the way, and came out and said that's not what the governor meant. everybody should get the measles vaccine. >> you reference parents choice groups an anti-vaccination activists. are they significant enough number? are they politically potent and partisan enough that republican politicians are running for president will be wanting to court those groups? >> it's a very diverse group. it would be hard if a politician actually sat down and made the
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disgustingly immoral calculations, how am i going to win this small set of anti-vaccine people. never mind it causes an outbreak. i think it is pretty difficult because the group of people -- their concerns don't overlap a ton. a lot of them aren't voting in the republican primary. plenty of them will sit it out completely because they don't trust the government period or find them voting in democratic primaries. the only kind of overlap here is the anti-authority, anti-government, and anti-science that you see among a lot of the climate change deniers. that was very much generated and fuelled by the koch brothers. >> if that is the story in terms of chasing potential political upside here there's also the down side here. what rand paul said today was much closer to michele bachmann 2011 than to what chris christie said today. he really went out there.
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it turns out he had been a long time member of a conspiracy theory group that is anti-vaccination and thinks that hiv doesn't cause aids. looking back at 2011 i was surprised how poorly it played for even michele bachmann. >> it does. i think people will take from today they should probably stick to climate change denial. this gets much too complicated. everybody has -- not everybody but a lot of people have children. everybody was a child at some point. no one wants to get measles, mumps or rubella for no reason or so that some kid can be on some bizarre organic diet that will build up his immune system. it plays to rand paul's deeper weaknesses which are that he has a consistent world view when it is on the intellectual level. the second it is applied to reality it starts to cause problems for him.
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resistant band of some kind when the darn thing snapped. it send him hurdling across the room. he broke ribs and seriously damaged his right eye. senator reid had surgery in part to try to save the sight if in the damaged right eye. it is innen conclusive we his vision has been saved but nevertheless, look there he is back at work today on the senate floor. behold the eye patch. he got a big welcome from his colleagues. senator's office tells nbc news that senator reid is seeing more than he was before the surgery, but his eyesight hasn't fully returned and it is still day to day whether or not he will be able to see. apparently either way it is not going to keep him from working as he fights back from that terrible injury. continued best wishes for your recovery, senator reid. if you need a reason to feel hopeful about things that could be possible i have something to be hopeful for.
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we have caught a you know corn. we have found in the wild and captured a thing that is not supposed to exist in nature anymore. we have found something this washington that is absolutely, 100% totally nonpartisan. we found it in congress. i know. i know you don't believe me. this is the most nonpartisan thing imaginable and it is about to happen. yes, in our lifetimes. you might remember a few weeks ago, we had a couple of conservative texas republicans on the show. a mom and dad named richard and susan selke. we had them on the show because another appeal they made to one senator who was blocking the passage of a bill that was named
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after richard selke -- richard and susan's son. >> my name is richard selke and this is my wife susieful. we are conservative republicans from texas. i would say thank you for your vigilance over our budget. this is an exception. if i had $22 million in the bank right now i'd write the check. i don't have it you don't have it but what you do have is you have power. all you have you have to do is not say no. all you have to do is allow this bill to pass the senate today or tomorrow hopefully by the end of the session. would you please do that? would you please do that for susan and for me for clay and for every other dad who's passed
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on or who is still with us these valuable precious children of god, precious precious members of our society. it's on your back. this is personal. please please don't say no. thank you. hope we have the opportunity to meet some day soon. god bless you. >> susan and richard selke made that powerful appeal to tom coburn of oklahoma. they appeal to stop blocking the clay hunt suicide prevention bill that he was single handedly preventing from passing in congress. he did not heed their call. he blocked the bill until the end. when clay hunt's mom and step dad came on the show to talk about that you might remember i basically lost it on the air and got all ver clement and couldn't properly finish the interview because i was moved by the loss of their son to suicide after he came home from iraq in
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afghanistan. parents like the selkes do not need a tv host mellinging. they are not asking for people to get upset. what they asked for and what veterans asked for and got from every other member of the united states congress is a short, sharp specific bill to plug up the gaps in the system that clay hunt fell through when he came home from iraq and afghanistan. he tried to get help for what he was going through after his deployments but he could not get the help he needed. a bill to fix those gaps. that's what his parents asked for in their son's tham. now that tom coburn is retired from the senate that bill is what the selke and veterans are getting and it is the rarest of all political things. it is a 100% nonpartisan thing. since the bill failed the first time, the senate changed to
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republican control. you might think that would change the politics of something like this i but on the veterans committee this is how new republican control sounds right now in that committee. >> this is going to be the most bipartisan committee in the united states senate. when you have 80,000 veterans a year committing suicide, which is more veterans that died in iraq and afghanistan since we have been fighting than you have a serious problem and this is emergency legislation that is needed to help our veterans. >> that is the new chairman of the veterans committee talking about a bill we thought would pass tonight. now because of the east coast snowstorm and few other things it will pass at noon tomorrow. noon eastern time tomorrow. this small bill to try to fix the suicide prevention efforts for our veterans this thing is going to pass tomorrow at noon and it will go to the president's desk and it will be signed in to law without a partisan whisper anywhere near it. senator isakson from georgia is
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as conservative as they come. he has sponsored legislation to abolish the irs. he says climate change is not man made. he put out a statement condemning president obama's new budget as reckless and irresponsible. but on veterans issues what you have got is a political unicorn. an apparently mythical beast that doesn't have partisan clol colors on it. even in this koj, in this washington in this year so this thing is getting done for clay hunt and his family and the 22 veterans a day who are still falling to suicide. joining us now for the interview to prove a miracle is at hand is john sni isaacson of georgia chairman of the veterans committee. thank you for being here. >> good to be with you. >> the senate vote on this bill looks like it is finally happening. we're hearing noon tomorrow.
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i have to ask if you know if anyone plans to pull a tom coburn and block the bill at the last minute or do you think this will pass easily? >> i think it will be unanimous. to tom's credit we found an answer on the 22 million. we found money within the existing agency budget to pay for the clay hunt bill. tom is happy, veterans are happy. and we are happy we are aedsing one of the single largest by-products of this afghanistan and iraqi war, the tragedy of suicide among our veterans. >> do you think there have been substantive -- i mean senator coburn put a hold on it and as you said you addressed some concerns about paying for it. i find remarkable he didn't convince anyone else to vote against this thing with him. was there any objection in the senate last congress other than his objection? >> well at that time i wasn't chairman of the committee. i'm not sure i was aware of every objection but tom was the
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most significant objection which is why i took care of it. i have a high regard for him and his commitment. >> you have said that this will be the most bipartisan committee in the u.s. senate. as chairman ands the man with leadership responsibilities in that committee. what do you need to do to make sure that happens? >> make sure we understand our job is to see to it the people who voluntarily sacrifice their lives to get every promise they have been made from the united states government for their health care, education and well being. i'm committed to that whether they are a democratic republican or mad chel maddow veteran. whatever it maybe. >> do you think that spirit of a mission-driven bipartisanship, a part of policy where with being partisan doesn't smell right, doesn't feel right to anybody involved in it. could that extend to other areas the senate is working on as well
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or is this a veterans-only climate? >> no, i don't think it is veterans only. certainly in terms of foreign policy and the battle with isis and terror. there are a number of areas that we need toe get our over partisan differences and do what is best for our country and people. >> pretty much everybody agrees the clay hunt bill is a start. i have been moved by the fact that clay hunt's parents have been so articulate and so tireless in advocating specifically from the position of what their son went through and what he was trying to get and couldn't get in terms of his v.a. care. also been moved by the fact that iraq and afghanistan veterans of america was integrally involved in creating what is involved in this legislation but it is just a start. is there a next piece on this agenda? if stuff can happen if the veterans committee that can't happen anywhere else because of the bipartisanship, what is the next step. >> the accountability the bill calls for. we get reports from the outside
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auditors to look at what the v.a. is doing in mental health care follow through and improve it. this is improving the care of patients as they go through the v.a. one of the biggest problems of suicide is this it is a stigmatize affliction. a lot of people don't want to share the fact they take their own life. we need professional psychiatrists and psychologists in the v.a. that can identify symptoms and people having trouble and can follow them and track them along the way to help bring them back to good solid mental health. >> senator isakson it is great to have you here sir. appreciate you being willing to do this. if you would tell other republicans the senate it is okay to talk to me. i will send you a big box of chocolates. >> i will tell them you are the 2k3wr5i9est. >> thank you. if you go back and look at the transcripts of bernie
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sanders being on the show when the democrats were in control they are talking about the same things. it is happening on veterans issues even if it can't happen anywhere else but there is a place for bipartisan or nonpartisan policy and stuff can get 0 done. veterans groups have made it happen. they have changed politics in washington. so stuff can happen. it is a credit too. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle see how much you could save. i have the worst cold with this runny nose. i better take something. dayquill cold and flu doesn't treat your runny nose. seriously? alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms plus your runny nose.
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this information to be known, that can make us a little gull able when it comes to secret stuff. secret and leaked documents we are inclined to believe them even when there is no way to check whether we really ought to. in the 1990s, the united states government secretly worked up a plan to take advantage of our natural inherent tendency to believe something specifically because it is a stolen piece of information. the cia sometime in the '90s started to cook up this idea of using fake technical information as essentially a dangle. they cook up fake information that would look like on the surface like it would help in the process of building a nuclear bomb but in real life do the opposite. they decided to cook up flawed plans that look real an important flaw in them and shock these plans to iran as if they were real stolen nuclear plants. they had a fatal flaw. so if the iranians believed in
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these stolen documents and put them in to action, they would actually thereby set back their nuclear program in a way that could be hard to fix. that was the idea. that was the cia plan. they had a russian nuclear scientist on their payroll. they drew up big plans that had the big secret flaw in them. they thought thee the iranians wouldn't spot the flaw and they sent a russian intermediary to give these plans to iran and that's where it went wrong. the russian scientist guy dave iranians the plans for the nuclear weapons but the russian scientist guy told the iranians where the flaw was. told the iranians where the wrong part was. so this supposedly genius plan to set back iran's effort to build a nuclear bomb it may have actually helped ie ron progress further on the nuclear front. once they knew to avoid that flaw that had been deliberately placed in the plans, that the
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russian guy tipped them off to once they worked around that flaw the plans were helpful for building centrifuges, which is what they needed for their nuclear program. it was a terrible intelligence plan. cooked up over the course of years turned out to backfire and help the people the u.s. was trying to hurt. okay. try again. that happened in 2,000. in 2010 this time it wasn't fatally flawed plans they were going to try to shop to the iranians but this time a piece of software. the u.s. managed to get a computer worm in to iran's nuclear program. it was a piece of software that iran didn't know had been introduced in to their computer system. what it does when the worm went to work is caused nuclear centrifuges to spin out of control and break. the iranians didn't know why their centrifuges were spinning out of control and breaking. they didn't know they were
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infected by this software worm thing but something was wrong. so wrong it was physically busting up their most sensitive nuclear technology. so of the two plots, one of them worked the virus one. one did not work the almost good but secretly flawed centrifuge plans. one worked. one didn't. they are both amazing in terms of the spy novel side of them. but when each of the stories came to life the biggest burst of drama around each of the cia plots against iran was how come we know about this? how did these actions get iran become public knowledge? the story about the computer worm that busted up the iranian centrifuges. iran vechblgly knew a computer virus was behind it. when it was revealed in this
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2012 article in the "new york times," was the u.s. still benefitting from it? the times took tons of heat in congress for publishing the story. john mccain said our friends are not the only ones who with read the "new york times." our enemies do too. senator kerry asked whether it served america's interest and whether the public had a right to know. members called for a leak investigation. the other story the one about the flawed supposedly stolen plans, that story had been spiked by the "new york times" as early as 2003 before james risen decided to put his reporting on that plot in to his book "state of war." last week you may have seen headlines about a former cia officer convicted of leaking classified information to a reporter. that was this case. sterling is guilty of leaking
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the plan and he could be facing decades in prids for that leak. the stories are as fascinating as spy novels. controversial in terms of when and how we come about them and whether it hurt s national security. now another one. this happened in 2008. "washington post" publishing this scoop this weekend about how the cia and israel's mass sad worked together to assassinate the leader of the iranian backed terrorist leader. the latest allegation is they worked together to monitor this guy for months the night of the planned assassination they used racial recognition to confirm it was him. as cia -- detonated a bomb hidden in the spare tire of an suv. in order to make sure it was big enough to kill him but small enough to avoid hurting anybody
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else. the cia tried it in a facility blowing up 25 test bombs in the process. once again these dramatic larger than life i can't believe this stuff really happens details about this plot fascinating, but also again, real, interest ing questions about why we are learning this now. who told the "washington post" this happened? is this somebody bragging telling a war story because they want the intelligence agencies involved to get credit for something we wouldn't over wise know about is it leaked for a strategic reason. is this a sign to help iran talks or hurt them? "washington post" deserves credit for this incredible and incredibly dramatic spy novel style scoop. the fact it is their scoop and about super duper secret operation makes it impossible for us to interrogate the basics of the story and raises interesting questions for us politically as a country why story is being made known now
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here's the tie breaker. watch carefully. this is sun prairie, wisconsin's jimmy with the deciding >> he says -- >> ooh! >> jimmy! sun prairie, wisconsin groundhog bites the mayor really hard on the winter. tetanus shots all around. some of these small towns think that the punxsutawney phil act is a really easy act to follow. >> ah! >> not easy. not easy. >> thanks. >> well, the fun has begun in the presidential campaign. we have a new front runner, and if it's anything like the last time, we will have many, many more new front runners. >> today feels a little like groundhog day. >> it's appropriate that we're talking on groundhog day.
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