congressional gold medal today. specializing in explosives in hand to hand combat the unit made up of americans and canadians helped lib rat this year's flu vaccine is 12% effective in adults. i got it and it laid me out. given the big political debate over vaccines happening right now. that's it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. good morning. a live look at times square. the snow here. i think this was bigger than the actual storm that was supposed to be the storm of the century. >> uglier with all the ice. >> there were parts of new england that did not need more snow. steve ratner is joining us along with willie and me.

i have 21 news stories. >> set a record. >> do you dare me? >> let's do it. >> speed read. >> let's just stuff a sock in joe's mouth and make him be quiet. governor chris christie is on a three-day trip to england but he stirred up a big debate over the safety of vaccines back home. did you guys hear about this? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i think -- i think kasie hunt started this. >> good for her. >> with her sweet questions. >> as long as it ends well. >> she always asks these innocent little questions. here is "morning joe" correspondent kasie hunt. >> chris christie came to cambridge to highlight the close tie toss bio science touring a company that makes vaccines. but he ended up injecting himself into an american debate as measles spreads in the u.s. >> i understand that there are families that in some cases are concerned about the affect of vaccinations. the science is, you know pretty

indispute indisputable. >> are you telling parents to get your kids vaccinates? >> you should. >> do you think americans should vaccinate your kids? is the measle vaccination safe? >> we vaccinate ours. but i understand that parents need to have a measure of choice as well. >> reporter: back home kentucky senator rand paul weighed in, too. >> did you really just say to laura ingraham that you think most vaccines in this country should be, quote, voluntary? >> i guess being for freedom would be unusual. i guess i don't understand the point. i've heard of many tragic case of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaks screens. i'm not argues vaccines are a bad idea. i think they are a good thing. i think the parent should have input. >> reporter: christie's office was quick to walk his statement back saying, quote, with a disease like measles there is no question kids should be vaccinated. the comment pulled the focus away from the planned messages and photo-opes. touring historic cambridge,

paying aspeths at saexpects at the cemetery. these trips can help build foreign policy credentials but so far christie hasn't talked much foreign policy. what's your view of the world of nato playing in the world today? >> i'm not going to get into that. >> reporter: even as you're here in the uk? >> even as i'm here in the uk. no, not now. >> reporter: but he didn't leave politics at the water's edge. he wants the u.s. to accelerate a trade deal with the eu. president obama supports it. christie says that's not good enough. >> the president has not proved himself to be the most adept negotiator in on my opinion on beof half american interests. that's the first hurdle. you know somebody in the white house who is going to be a good effective negotiator. >> kasie huntcaseykasie hunt joins us now from london. kasie, it started with a simple question. as he backtracked it seems like

he tried to cover all issues. it's a dicey issue, the vaccines. >> reporter: i think it's interesting in part because chris christie is someone who has dealt with this issue for some time as governor of new jersey. new jersey is a state with some of the strongest rules that man late vaccinations. so there's sort of long been this vocal group of people who have expressed concerns about whether or not vaccines cause autism, et cetera. and this was in many ways the stock answer that he's given when asked about this in previous incidents. i think it sort of goes to show you how the context can change when you are actually you know overseas taking a trip that makes you look like a presidential candidate. you know essentially all of these overtones, you can't -- you have to calibrate. i think that's what you saw happen yesterday on this issue. >> yeah. >> all right. >> it happened all over the place. kasie hunt, thank you so much. it definitely stirred up a debate across the board. >> fascinating how it has. of course, for some reason

politicians stumble on to this. john mccain did in 2008. barack obama did in 2008. and it's happening again now. but this is strange, steve ratner. i've talked about this before too. there is a small study in england in 1998. i have a son that has asperger's. i've brought this up and discuss discussed it before. several years ago there still was a debate. there is not, at least in the science community, a debate about this anymore. this is not even close. this is not even close -- there is still a debate on climate change, the effects of climate change, how quickly climate change is coming on us. how much man contributes. there are a thousand different variables in that debate. this debate there is one small study that said vaccines cause autism. it was debunked. the journal that put it out actually went back on it. the man who wrote it is no longer a doctor. he's been stripped of his

medical license. this is not a close call. >> i don't think it's a close call. >> why do politicians -- we're in the middle of a measles outbreak right now. by the way this is not red sea, blue state. some of the states have the toughest laws requiring vaccines are the reddest of red states. >> right. but it has become somewhat politicized and somewhat gots ten bound up in republican ideology of choice and things like that. >> actually it's far right, far left. you can't say republican because that's not accurate. >> who on the far left is on that camp? >> it's a lot like -- it's a civil liberties issue. it's just like nsa where you will have people extreme libertarians, extreme liberals. >> i get the far left far right thing. >> barack obama 2008 is not a republican. >> well, but today what is he saying? today he said in the super bowl interview, he said this is settled science. >> it's sad because he's not running for election anymore.

when he was running for election in 2008 this is what he said. >> we've seen a skyrocketing autism rate. nobody knows exactly why. some people are suspicious it's connected to vaccines and triggers. but this person included. the science right now is inconclusive but we have to research it. >> 2008 the science was not inconclusive but he was run for president of the states so he said the science was inconclusive. >> rick perry in texas had a mandate everybody had to be vaccinated. when michele bachmann went after him and said everything that the far right is saying he backed off of that. >> yeah. stop saying far right because this is a far right and far left issue. >> okay. i think though at the moment you're hearing more about this from the republican side than the democratic side. would we agree on that? >> i mean there's just hillary clinton right now running on the democratic side for president. >> okay. actually i'll switch sides a little bit on you. scott walker has been very outspoken on the side of the

fact that there should be mandatory vaccination. >> are you surprised by chris christie christie, willie? are you surprised by what chris christie and rand paul, a doctor? >> well, that i found disturbing that a doctor would come on and say that he's a doctor. but if you look at the republicans, they're outliars. scott walker, rick perry, mike huckabee. you go down the line they came out strongly and said vaccines are one of the greatest parts of human progress in the last 50 60 years. the measles vaccine was introduced in 1963. it's not that hard. you look at the chart of how many people had measles, how many people died. skyrockets down. and so in this day and age to hear someone come out and say that and then christie backtracked on it, no we think measles, that vaccine is good but he was eluding to the fact that perhaps there are other vaccines that we need to be more careful with which he did not provide any evidence for. if it's a political strategy it's an odd one, i think. if he feels like he's appealing to a group that might doubt

vaccine or doubt government being in our lives, perhaps that is what it was. >> and rand paul saying what rand paul said again as a doctor is very surprising but this sort of reminds me willie, of the flourite debates in '50s and '60s, that fluoride being put in the water would cause all of these things. >> i will dispense with the far right comment. but big government, little government, personal liberty discussion. that is the overarching theme. >> yes. personal liberty, i say whether you're talking about this or nsa or whatever you're talking about, you have libertarians and liberals coming together as strange bed fellows. rand paul also you were talking before about rand paul. >> we showed a piece of that interview, senator rand paul with kellity evans on cnbc. another moment that got attention. they were talking about a different issue of taxes.

and he had sort of an -- not a beautiful moment. >> he sushed her. >> he sushed her. >> most of the research on this indicates that these actually cost more money over the long term than they save. are you saying that -- >> that's incorrect. you're -- oh, let's go back again. your premise and your question is mistaken. >> all right. >> okay. most of the research doesn't indicate that. let me -- kelly, hey, shhh. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> calm down a bit here kelly. let me answer the question. >> i can tell you're fired up. i apologize for the extent to which i'm the reason for that. but what about 2016? i mean is this here a -- with an eye towards you entering 2016 as a presidential candidate or maybe getting drafted boo one of the campaigns? >> we're thinking about it. and we're looking around the united states and seeing if the message resonates. part of the problem is is that you end up having interviews like this where theslanted and full of

distortions that you don't get useful information. i think this is what is bad about tv sometimes. frankly, i think if we do this again you need to try to start out with a little more objective objectivity going into the interview. >> kelly evans asking some tough questions. >> i've never known kelly evans to be slanted. i've certainly never known cnbc -- i've never heard of cnbc being accuse of being a left wing liberalism. it's a very conservative outlet. "the washington post" said -- who is this in the "washington post"? erin blake with "the washington post" said well, this rand paul interview with cnbc didn't go well. one he reiterated is his contention on vaccines two -- three, actually sushed the anchor and, four he concluded the interview attacking cnbc as being biassed. very strange. >> yeah. and his point is one that you heard about the vaccines which is that as a doctor he's saying it's more important to have less

government in our lives. in other words, government forcing itself on our kids with vaccines, than to have the responsible vaccine. he will take less government over responsible vaccines. >> terrific. okay -- >> can i say one thing? somebody tweeted the rest of that obama quote from 2008. we showed a little sound bite of it. do you want to hear the rest of it? >> sure. >> after he said that he said part of the reason i think it's very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio so we cannot afford to junk our vaccine system. >> he said in 2008 it was inconclusive. >> that's what he said before. >> inconclusive. keep reading. >> now can i get to my 21 news stories? new record now belongs to super bowl xlix. sunday's game was the most watched television show in history pulling in over 114 million viewers. the previous record was held by last year's big game which drew 112 million. the only show in the top seven

that isn't a super bowl the series finale of "m.a.s.h." in 1983. >> which was terrible of course. >> "american sniper" is now the highest grossing war movie of all time. the film has made almost $250 million after playing for just three weeks nationwide. surpassing steven spielberg's "saving private ryan." the film made another $57 million overseas bringing it to $300 million worldwide. >> willie geist, some many hollywood not happy with this. huge hit. >> huge hit. for a while they thought it might push "the passion of the christ" for highest grossing r-rated movie. it may not catch it. but close. >> liberals in hollywood. >> those two fall in together. >> message to hollywood. >> yes. >> but i think another good example of sometimes what you hear in washington and new york and certain conner rs about pol culture is not reflective of how the country is feeling. >> not close. let's talk about the super bowl

really quickly. talk about how the season started. mr. goodell in trouble and now the nfl, if he were doing a state of the union address would say, it's not only strong it's the strongest ever. the biggest audience ever in the united states of america. >> great game. >> part of his calculation. when everyone said goodell must go goodell must go he's bad for the game. everyone came to the games that sunday after ray rice. the ratings were big. now you have this super bowl number. people separate what happens off the field to a couple of the guys. when sunday comes around you want to watch their games. >> did you see what happened on their film? new york"new york daily news" had a picture of bill belichick? >> i'm not sure i want to see this. >> you don't agree with that one? >> no. >> this is just -- >> that's his sister. >> sister. >> what? >> sister. >> he kissed his sister. what's the problem? >> "the daily news" said it was his daughter daughter? my bad. >> i don't know. >> can we take that down?

>> you don't kiss your daughter. >> no, in the with your eyes closed. take that picture down. >> it's one frame. >> it's one frame. >> those are the worst. >> those freeze frames are the worst? >> stop. >> don't look at me. >> i'm looking at you. >> you are the one that said this is creeping me out. >> joe is bright red. maybe we should move on. new report in the "new york times" that could pose problems for governor chris christie. >> apparently how he portrays himself if he chooses to run for president is the problem because the paper says he has a history of letting others foot the bill as he indulges, quote, in a taste that runs more towards champagne at the four seasons rather than a cheesesteak on the boardwalk. every man, i'm quoting the paper here. the times details numerous luxury trips taken by the governor involving expensive hotels, private planes high price car services among the trips the paper outlines casino owner and israel supporter

sheldon sheldon aidleson let christie use his private plane for a trip. jordan's king abdullah then paid for a family weekend at the end of the trip. the hotel rooms costing about $30,000. christie signed an executive order in 2010 allowing new jersey governors to have travel and related expense paid any foreign governments. he said it was a matter of opportunity saying, quote, i relish these experiences and exposures, especially for my kids. i try to squeeze all the juice out of the orange that i can. um, well -- >> i guess the question is those are all splashy details. >> yeah. >> is there impropriety there, conflicts of interest? >> some of the -- i read that story. some of the people who provided planes likes, for example, sheldon had a dog in the fight on this bill on online gaming.

>> right. >> that christie was trying to keep from getting passed. >> that's an issue. >> there are some people doing favors for him who had interests. >> you saw me winsing, i because i just know if you look at i don't know everything from the road from little rock to washington for the clintons. i can't imagine -- >> they talk about one night that chris christie was around bono. i mean would we like to count the nights the clintons have been around bono beyonce, rock star kings, queens have lived an extraordinary lavish life that very few people not only in america but on the planet they have lived like queens and kings. >> you have to make a parallel. >> i'm just curious if the "new york times" is going to write a story about hillary clinton and the lifestyle that she has led over the past 30 years along

these lines. >> actually there's a story on bloomberg news right now at hillary clinton and her private jets when she was a senator. >> there you. >> >> there's that. >> will "the new york times" follow up with a big splashy front page story there? >> tons of stories when the clintons first came to the white house where it was -- it was -- and then there's the lincoln. >> i think part of the point of "the new york times" story was to contrast what christie does with what he says he is. >> portrays yeah. >> did you guys see -- we had the next story that was up on wr shultz, what she said. >> i wanton careful with it. >> there were reports from florida coming out of florida of some candid comments made by dnc chair wasserman schultz. the congresswoman broke with the obama administration saying parts of the attacks carried out by islamic fundamentalists should be said to be from islamic fundamentalists.

she also sided jewish culture in america reportedly saying we have problem ofs a simulation. we have a problem of intermarriage. we have the problem that too many generations of jews don't realize the importance of our institution strength institution. strengthening our community. maggie haberman comment we'd "the new york times" she surprised this story has not picked up more traction. i would be very surprised over the next day whether this story as maggie haberman with "the times" pointed out, her actually referring to quote, intermarriage of jews. be very surprised, especially as maggie says considering that hillary clinton, the presumed democratic nominee, has such and, quote, intermarriage in her immediate family. so that -- watch for that coming up in washington, d.c. >> all right. we didn't get to 21 but we have time. there is time. still ahead on "morning joe,"

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welcome back to "morning joe." 23 past the hour. time to take a look at the morning papers. we'll start with the ""los angeles times"," music mogul suge knight to set to make his first court appearance with being charge with murder. 49-year-old is accused of running over two men with his truck after an argument on thursday afternoon killing one of them. according to the "times" knight's attorney claims there was -- their client was assaulted and tried to flee his attackers when he accidentally ran over them. bail originally set at $2.2 million was revoked with officials reportedly citing his criminal past and potentially as a flight risk. >> willie wasn't suge believed to also kill a couple other --

>> thts one of the conspiracy theories he was involved in tupac's death but he was in the car with tupac. seemed unlikely he put himself in the same car as the assassin. google and uber may soon be going head to head on the road. bloomberg reports google is getting ready to launch its own ride hailing service connected to the driveless car project and uber executives have seen google employees using what appear to be a ride-sharing app. in 2013 google ventures invested $258 million in uber largest investment deal in history. google's chief legal officer is on uber's board of directors and the board is reportedly considering asking him to resign. uber announced on monday teaming up with carnagie-mellon university to work on driveless cars. the guardian national sleep foundation issued new recommendations that call for most young people to spend more time in bed. here's the new breakdown by age and some changes.

to note newborns should get 14 to 17 hours of sleep with their range narrowed from 12-1. infant sleep was ebbs tended from 12-15 hours, toddlers preschoolers and teenagers age 14-17 also have their sleep range widened one hour. for adults though the recommended sleep range did not change. they should receive about seven to nine hours each night. the cdc says 50 to 70 million americans currently suffer from sleep deprivation. cleveland plain dealer cleveland browns quarterback johnny manziel is officially speaking treatment. the rookie qb voluntarily entered a rehab facility telling those close to him he wants to quote, figure out his value system. brown's gm ray farmer released a statement saying in part we respect johnny's initiative in this decision and will fully support him throughout this process. there is no set timetable for manziel's return. now let's go to the nba.

new orleans, the pelicans down the hawks ending the atlanta hawks franchise record-winning streak at 19 games. a anthony davis led with 29 points. pelicans win it 115-100. willie, i was born in atlanta. the hawks were the ones we kept up with at least until killwilkins left about 30 years ago. pretty shocking stuff. >> this is total dominance. they don't have like that one huge superstar. they have a group of three or four all-star caliber players and young guys coming up. it's fun to watch atlanta that's toiled for a long time low attendance, on an incredible run. some people think they're the best team in nba. warren sapp has lost his job as an analyst for the nfl network after he was arrested on assault and solicitation of prostitution charges. police say the hall of famer was taken in custody at a phoenix hotel after the super bowl the other night. according to a police spokesman there was an argument over money

and the altercation turned physical. detectives say an act of prostitution occurred in a hotel guest room by at least one of the two females involved. sapp denied the assault charges. "new york daily news." newly hired bills coach rex ryan can probably expect a lot of changes this year but what you might not have expected is he's changes his color. that's right. rex hit the tattoo parlor on friday. you really want your head coach of your nfl team to go first. change the color of a a tattoo depicting his wife wearing nothing but a number 6, of course mark sanchez' jets jersey. the darker the jersey color to match blue. still toting the number 6, remaining a fan of buffalo. let's go to the milwaukee journal sentinel. bill de blasio is not the only mayor who has trouble when it comes to groundhogs. the mayor was bit by the town groundhog yesterday on live tv

as the critter predicted an early end to winter. jimmy the groundhog bit mayor jonathan -- >> oh! man! holy cow. look at that. he's a gamer. look at him. >> oh! >> geez. >> those things are mean. >> put him down. >> oh. dig him up out of the ground and put them down. >> okay. >> okay. >> thank you for the loop. stop. stop the loop. >> it's like a vine. >> stop the loop. >> the handler said this groundhog, the 11th in a long line of family weather predictors has a, quote, attitude. despite arriving at is ceremony in a limo yesterday -- >> borrowed it from chris christie, by the way. the same groundhog that pieee'd on the mayor. >> i hate it when that happens. >> this mayor was okay. >> we need to change his tradition in general. these are mean little guys. they bite. they run away. >> rob bitting or something.

>> people drop them and they get hurt. coming up michael steel and eugene vob son joins us for today's must read opinion pages and zeke emanuel join us for the heated vaccine debate as well. we will be right back. we come by almost every day to deliver your mail so if you have any packages you want to return you should just give them to us i mean, we're going to be there anyway why don't you just leave it for us to pick up? or you could always get in your car and take it back yourself yeah, us picking it up is probably your easiest option it's kind of a no brainer ok, well, good talk ♪ ♪ ♪ "here i am. rock you like a hurricane." ♪ fiber one now makes

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msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele and in washington pulitzer prize winning columnist and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. good to have you guys onboard. all right. the "wall street journal," chris christie's vaccine stumble. this isn't the first time christie has given comfort to those who spread vaccine misinformation or suggest vaccine requirements are aan abuse of government power. in a 2009 letter to potential voters he said he had met with families affected by autism. many of whom had expressed their concern over new jersey's highest in the nation vaccine mandate mandates. i stand with him now and will stand with them as their governor in their fight for greater parental involvement in vaccination decisions that

affect their children. the real public health problem isn't a lack of parental choice but a lack of common sense about vaccines and politicians should do more to promote the latter. >> michael steele a couple -- oh at "wall street journal" editorial. bad day yesterday for chris christie and rand paul, wouldn't you say? >> yes. the vast majority of parents and science. >> science. >> start with science. >> science parents, the state of mississippi. >> i don't know the audience they're playing to. whoever, it is a small number of people because this is not about your right not to get a vaccination. this is about protecting the health of your children and protecting the communityies in which they live. i don't know why this has become a political decision for them. it's so common sense. >> eugene robinson we showed clips of barack obama in 2008 saying the science was inconclusive when it was conclusive. john mccain in the same year in 2008 pandered on thor shoe of

vaccine according to the reports i read this morning. what's going on? i say this as a father with a child that has asperger's. i ask the questions. i researched. i asked some of the questions on tv. >> very emotional. >> i have looked into it. the science is conclusive. it's locked down. it's nailed shut. >> yeah. and it was conclusive, i think, eight years ago. look there was that one disputed and discredited, totally discredited study that suggested there was some length. there is no link between vaccines and autism. the science could not be more clear. this is a public health issue. so you know -- >> go en, in the middle of a measles out break, too. this makes it all the her confounding to me. >> it's just absurd. joe, if you look at the figures, you look at the incidents of these diseases before vaccines

and after vaccines the incidents, the deaths it's just off a cliff. you know disease is down 99% and 100%. just because of vaccines. it's one of the great medical advances of the century and to play footsie with it, especially at this late date i think is just -- is pretty outrageous. >> gene let me read from your piece. "washington post," a golden opportunity. unemployment is down to 5.6%. the economy continues to grow at a healthy pace and deficits have plummeted. if the gop wish toes have any credibility, the faert will have to stop pretending that we live in a time of unrelieved doom and gloom. barack obama has taken advantage of the good economic news to play offense with the budget rather than defense. for most of his tenure the president has had to work around the margins of federal spending. it is ironic that now with neither house of congress in his

party's control obama is able to propose whatting loos like his most progressive budget to date. >> steve let's talk like gene robinson is not here. for four or five years most economists are predicting the deficit was going to go down and then in -- i'm stunned you accurate the predikss have been -- that it's going to shoot up. 19% of gdp now as far as government spending and down 3 1/2%. it's all bad news from here out if you believe the economists that get the dip right. they say now we've hit the bottom and now we're going to start moving up sbuz of entitlement costs. is that correct? >> that's generally correct. it is doing to start to move up. entitlements are the problem. they are squeezing out all kinds of other spending on things like infrastructure that gene wrote about today. the president's budget would actually lower the deficit if by raising taxes and raising spending by less. but there's really not much in the president's budget to take

on the entitlement. >> when you say lower the deficit you're talking about lower the projected deficits. >> correct. >> right. because i mean we're going up now and unless we tackle entitlements, nothing else matters. gene robinson though i do want to take issue with one part of the president's proposal because i think we would agree infrastructure. we need more spending on infrastructure, we need more spending on. ed kag.indication. on defense, the president is talking about he needs a defense budget on $540 billion or else republicans are gutting national security. i mean my god, he's sounding -- i was going to say he sounds like donald rumsfeld but donald rumsfeld's a piker compared to this. >> right. hey, you know i'm kind of with you. i would think there's -- that somewhere in that $500 billion

isn't enough right? you can't do it for that? but it is -- there are a lot of republicans who are calling on, you know for lifting the sequestration cap on defense spending and want to keep giving out those big contracts, i guess. >> that would be a terrible mistake when we continue to fund weapon systems that the pentagon doesn't want. >> doesn't want. >> doesn't need. >> exactly. >> talk about the f-35 that's going to cast us more money than the entire fight in iraq. and it doesn't work. it doesn't do what it was projected to do. but it's a jobs program for the pentagon. >> yeah. >> for the military industrial complex. >> as you point out, we are funding weapons systems for the last war or two wars ago. we're not looking ahead to what we really need for today's dangerous environment, which is not what we needed 20 or 30 years ago.

i'm with you on that. i think there's more room in the defense budget for cuts. and projecting out, if you look at what happens with entitlements, you know those -- those projections didn't take into account, i think, the level and wealth of health care cost which you can blame it on the ada, blame it on whatever, but it's pretty good. >> eugene thank you. michael steele stay with us. up next should parents be able to sue another family who chooses to the to vaccinate their kids? wow. okay. how about if they're jail fed they don't vaccinate their kids? dr. zeke emanuel joins us with the ethics behind that hot button issue. interesting question. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping.

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welcome back to "morning joe." more than 100 cases of the measles now being reported in the u.s. already this year. could it have been avoided? joining us now for health policy and vice provos at the university of pennsylvania dr. ezeke wellsooekzeke ezekeil emanuel. are you surprised now that we are having a debate over whether or not kids should be vaccinates? >> when you look at the data just fell off a cliff and then went down and now is back because we're actually allowing more parents to decide whether they want to vaccinate their kids. we know that people won't. and unfortunately that is a dissass stare, especially for measles where you need about 95% of the population vaccinated. >> talk about the measle outbreak right now. what's happening? >> you have this case presumably from a foreigner coming to disneyland and then it spread to people who were not vaccinated.

because of modern travel they're all over. see a big concentration of cases in l.a. but you see in new york east coast. >> people not vaccinated from measles, when we were growing up everybody was vaccinated. >> probably not when you and i were growing up because we were pre'57, that magic year. >> dude do i look that old? seriously. come on. >> you're okay. >> '57. >> the case is -- you know our parents thought this was a miracle, right? you took a disease that could be potentially deadly and then you got rid of it. same thing with polio. people are like well, that's not a serious disease? really, it's because everyone is vaccinated. >> if you look at the map you can get out on religious grounds or personal grounds. are there states where it is mandated? >> we have to get back to i think, the notion we have to mandate all of these vaccines that are proven to save lives and to reduce the risks to kids.

brain damage and other things. i think really interesting thing to me is, you know, with we don't let parents make these decisions to leave their kids in a car parked. why do we let them decide whether they get a vaccine or not, especially as we said on this show, you know, it is safe compared to everybody everything else. >> how do you explain that this one study about autism and so forth has had such legs to it? despite the fact that it has been debunked over and over and over again. it's not just bad science, it's just fraud lebt lent. it carries so much weight in this conversation? >> i think you have two things. i think you have, first a rise in autism that no one can explain and we've seen this in lots of places not just in united states but korea and other countries. then you have parents who want an explanation. >> they want to know why. >> right. you begin to go back and examine why. >> start connecting your own dots. >> yeah. that connection individually doesn't work and collectively

doesn't work. this is a matter of ideology over science. >> i don't want you to wrap it up like steve rattner did saying this is about the republicans when the guy you worked for barack obama in 2008 actually went out there saying theinconclusive. >> look. i think when you look at the polling data -- >> again, i'm not pointing at barack obama. i just read a lot of studies this morning that some of the reddest states in america have the toughest requirements like mississippi. >> go to california there are maces in california where vaccination rates are 50% or below in is it turns out to be at both extremes a libertarian view of government shouldn't touch my body and a hippie view that, you know it's not natural, et cetera. and i think we just need to get back to rationality. i hope this is a watershed in this country, in 34i opinion, where facts and science really are what are going to drive us and not just the immediate reaction to, you know i don't

believe that. >> fair. >> what i don't get the rand paul as a doctor saying -- >> i don't understand that. >> strikes me as how can you go through medical school and internship and training and not believe in the sigh snens. >> you and i, a lot of people can have debates about climate change and we can debate the extent of climate change as far as i believe in climate change. >> extent not whether it's happening. >> let me finish your sentence. >> i'm emanuel. why bother? >> i'm saying though there are a billion variables that go in there. we can talk about the middle ages we'll probably both agree on climate change that man has contributed to it et cetera et cetera, et cetera. there are a lot of different studies to talk about the degrees. on vaccines there is no scientific debate. none. liberals love to say that on a lot of issues. on this issue, you can't find a study. >> i agree. i agree. >> it's stunning. >> right.

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all right. what is the price of a ruined life? that's the cuisine your writer at "the washington post" frances sellers asks in her new piece of 1979 tehran hostage crisis victims. their on-going quest for compensation and closure. the remaining hostages 13 of the 52 have died, are keenly aware they can't recover lost time. so they are looking with increasing urgency for another kind of restitution. they have turned to congress in a bid for compensation for their captivity, for solitary confinement and mock firing squads, for beatings with rubber hoses and being hung like laundry over open elevator shafts or run blindfolded into

trees and for all the toll it's took on their families. and 35 years on as some of the hostages live out their last years, they are aware if anyone is to benefit from a long-awaited windfall it will probably be the next generation because their own time to get justice is running out. and frances joins us now. great piece. i've been reading it. >> thank you. >> i mean how many family or how many people did you talk to in doing your research about the toll this has taken? >> yeah, i talked to buchlg of families and many children, several children. and the striking thing is that this was a family that captivated the nation 35 years ago. you still bring tears to the eyes of these children when you talk to them about their families and what happened when their fathers came home. i think one of the things you have to remember is that many of the wives and it was 50 men and two women, so we are talking largely about wives who are back here really had to step up to the plate when their husbands were away take on extra work

manage the family and then rebuilding marriages after the hostages came back. and these were traumatized people. it was no easy business. you know 35 years on these kids are looking back at you know a home life that was turned upside-down by the experience of having their fathers gone for 14 months and being very much all over the news and, you know as i said the center of attention. then suddenly they were forgotten. >> yeah. >> frances, it's willie geist. >> hi. >> good morning. what are the families looking for and what have been the impediments to get that comp pags over the last 35 30 years? >> very interesting. the courts the algiers that were assign bid carter and reagan and ordered to bring these people back and saving lives, bringing them back to this country actually barred the hostages from seeking compensation compensation from taking legal action against iran. they've been blocked in courts

u.s. courts. not always getting financial payments but some of them got very big financial payments. these people were separated. they were different. they weren't allowed to take that action in u.s. courts. you can see a few cases, terry anderson the former a.p. bureau chief in lebanon who was held for seven years, terrible terrible thomas sutherland who worked at the university of beirut they got these huge doonlg damages, hundreds of millions of dollars. some took home tens of millions. they were able to sue in u.s. court. other people have sued and not received money. interesting case of that is the kerr family. >> wow. frances sellers, "the price of a ruined life" on the front page of the "washington post" style section. thank you. >> thank you very much for the time. coming up at the top of the hour, how far would you walk to work? are amarkable story of how a community has rallied around one man who treks 21 miles every day. plus what happens to an

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>> a thousand stories. >> have we got our order? new report in the "new york times" could pose problems for how governor chris christie portrays himself if he chooses to run for president in 2016. michael steele i'm interested in what you think. he has a history in letting others foot the bill as he indulges a taste that run mores toward champagne at the four seasons rather than a cheesesteak on the boardwalk. the times details numerous luxury trips taken by the governor involving expensive hotel, high priced car services among the trips casino owner and israel supporter sheldonedle son let kristi use his private plane for a 2012 trip to israel. more than a dozen people traveling with him. jordan's king paid for a family weekend at the end of the trip. the hotel rooms costing $30,000. christie signed an executive order in 2010 allowing new jersey governors to have travel and related expenses paid for by foreign governments. last summer christie said it was

a matter of opportunity, saying in part, i relish these experiences and exposure especially for my kids. i try to squeeze all the juice out of the orange that i can. um so michael -- >> just be careful that juice doesn't squirt on you. >> yes, that's true. but nothing here says that he required these things. they're being thrown at him. i just -- i know this happens a lot. so i just -- the article is damaging i guess, but i'm not surprised. >> i think probably from 34i per spektexpect perspective having served as lieutenant governor of my state and knowing there's a lot of scrutiny when the governor takes actions that impact your administration, you're concerned about that. when you sign the executive order saying you can receive certain benefits generally it's for your successor, not within your term. i think that's probably more than anything else that could you know raise more concern about this and the about that

you're affording himself to take advantage of it. >> you signed that in order to be able to do economic you know, trips for the state as well oz -- >> all should be covered by the state, not by foreign governments. you don't want third parties paying for the governor's activity or programs or actions simply because you don't want the perception that you get a benefit. >> how bad is this? >> i don't think in the overall scheme of things it's not too bad yet. once he announces for president you lay on that the problems that the state is having at home, the federal investigations still going on. there is some element officiness to it. >> all right. a woman in virginia faces up to eight years in prison after pleading guilty to lying to federal investigators about her support of isis. according to the fbi an fbi affidavit, heather elizabeth kaufman used several facebook accounts to promote the islamic state and planned to send a man believed to be her husband to syria to train with the islamic

militants. one post included images of the islamic state flag and ak-47s with the text quote, i love isis. >> that's not a bumper sticker you want to put on the back of your car. >> 29-year-old, mother of a 7-year-old, is scheduled to be sentenced. >> she was busted by fbi who, they -- she said she could help send another person over to syria by using her contacts with isis. "american sniper" is the highest grossing war movie of all time. the film has made almost $250 million after playing for just three weeks nationwide surpassing steven spielberg's" saving private ryan." the total is over $300 million worldwide. a new record belongs to super bowl xlix. sunday's game was the most watched television show in history. like overall everything. >> ever. >> ever. >> ever. >> ever.

>> ever. >> not just the sports show. pulling in over 114 million viewers. the previous record was held by last year's big game which drew 112 million. the only show in the top seven that isn't a super bowl is the series finale of "m.a.s.h." in 1983, even which i saw. >> willie at the beginle of the year, everything is going bad. can the nfl survive. concussions, goodell, ray rice abuse. and you go to the end of the year, biggest ever. >> biggest ever. >> as i said last hur, i think football fans separate the actions of ray rice, the actions of adrian peterson. even the concussion issue from what they see on sunday. maybe it's not a good thing, but americans love super bowl. the super bowl game literally went down to the last play. patriots for two weeks being built up this hated, you know

enemy, and then you have the seahawks representing the east coast. you had katy perry, the most pop plash singer. adina manziel from "frozen" like this perfect storm of enter stain glmt isentertainment. >> it also says -- it's also more remarkable in the context in which the word in which television is fragmenting. more things for people to watch. normal prime time show, entertainment shows that used to get the big audiences don't get them it's sports. >> people sitting around the tv in their homes. >> it really is an example, this is one of the few times in america that everybody does come around the tv set and there is a shared experience. it happens in presidential debates, it happens in super bowls. but very rarely does it happen anywhere else. of course when we were growing up, i'm not as old as zeke emanuel, so -- >> 1923ers. >> but at the same time you knew there were three networks

and when you got to school or you got to you know or you got to work in the '70s or '80s, everybody was going to talk about whether it was "happy days" or the kids or "m.a.s.h." or whatever and you had these shared experiences all the time. zub night was a very rare moment in america's popular culture. >> and sports is the last place you can get that still today. you can't dvr the game and watch it the next day. you knew the score as soon as it was over. sports, the super bowl but also playoff game nba game tonight, it's the last real reality television, you don't know what's going to happen at the end. a mother and father have been charged with abandoning their children while attending a wayne wine tasting in washington, d.c. the parents left their son and daughter both toddlers in their car seats as temperatures dropped to 35 degrees. the children were wearing coats but did not have gloves or hats on. the parents were using a

cellphone left in the car to monitor their kids while they enjoyed their afternoon around the corner. a judge has ordered them to stay away from their children. >> unbelievable story. it happened -- they parked the car outside the ritz in d.c. went around the corner to a wine tasting. and the police said that when they came the doors were locked the girl inside was absolutely beyond herself, screaming and crying. >> they're monitoring and they're hearing her crying and they're not -- >> at a wine tasting. and these parents should be kept away from these children forever. that is the most disgusting thing i've ever seen in my life. et cetera get some positive news in here. detroit communities rallied around a man after his story about walking 21 miles a day to work went viral. 56-year-old james robertson says his commute has been on foot every day since his car gave out in 1988.

as you would imagine, the snow doesn't make things easier. >> this was small compared to what we had last year. i went through it and i didn't miss a day. i can't imagine not working. you know i didn't want to end up you knownd up doing nothing. you know did you know how long it took me to find a job? >> an online fund-raising campaign to buy this man a new car and insurance is now up to $130,000. >> awesome. >> two car dealerships have also offed to buy him a new car. >> yeah. >> willie -- >> he works at a factory. >> that's some -- >> the walk takes seven hours. >> and never misses a day. never misses -- all that time he's walking 21 hours to work his boss says this guy sets the attendance stand dord to work. there's snow on the ground i'm ten minutes away get to work. robertson walked 21 miles. you're coming to coming to work. willie so there's a certain

show where they just read the new york post and stories out of the "new york post." >> i like this model. >> there is a story -- have you seen this in the klt"post." >> you briefed me a little bit. >> i don't really get this. a croatian model is facing attempted murder charges after she allegedly stabbed her identical twin sister. one of the sisters was in the relationship with a man. but jaeous si got the best of her who then took matters into her own hands. we're not going to go. look at these two women. here's the deal. all right? they have been fighting each other since birth. the daily beast reports the sisters have constantly been arguing over which twin was prettier and one of them actually had aspirations of being croatia's kim kardashian. do that split again. willie, these two identical twin

sisters from birth have been fighting over which one was prettier. one of them starts dating a dude. the dude decides that he likes the other better so he's having an affair. >> oh. >> no. he's having an affair with the other sister. >> are we even talking about this? this is news you can't use. >> maybe he was confused. they look identical to me. >> no no no. the reports are that he -- >> honest mistake. >> no, he said he liked one better than the other. >> how do you tell the difference? >> do you have any charts for us today? >> i have charts. >> can we do charts? >> happy news? >> sure. >> let's have happy news. >> this is -- sometimes the worst situation is actually a serious story mika, bring out the best in people. i picked this up overnight. firefighters actually responded to a call in the city of greenfield wisconsin, after an elderly man suffered chest pains after shoveling his driveway. the firefighters returned to his home and they actually finished clearing off his driveway.

the department's fire chief said they wanted to do one last thing -- one less thing for the family to worry about. >> nice. >> after this photo went viral they started the #shovelit #shovelitforward. >> cool. >> nice. all right. cuba has published the first photos of fidel castro in months. they come amid speculation the 88-year-old is in declining health and rumors that he may even be dead. in the images castro is seated and said to be discussing current events with the heads of the university of havana student union. reports say the meeting took place on january 23rd at the former leader's home. these were now the first new photos of castro since august. >> of course, we talked earlier, willie geist, about johnny manziel. he has a guy obviously came out of texas a&m and was considered, you know johnny football. they call him jop any football. one of the best. but now apparently going into rehab.

>> he's checking his -- they're calling eight treatment program. not a lot of details about why he's going in but it's been well documented. 22 23 likes to go out and have fun. had an up and down year. got a chance to start with the browns. it didn't go well. obviously he's a huge talent. there are a lot of people when he was coming out of the draft who said he's not worth the risk because of his personal life because of the kind of kid he is. >> people have known that he had had -- >> i don't know if it ever went that far. some people had suggested he partied too much. you can read into whatever that means. you don't give up on a guy. i think the cleveland browns are going to hang in with him and see if he can come back next year. again, huge talent. this happens to young players sometimes in all sports. they come in give them money an at tensetention and they can't handle it. still ahead on "morning joe," james carville and former senator jim demint will join us for what will likely be a lively debate. at 8:30 joy behar will be our cohost.

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it want to talk to you about ukraine and arming the rebel there's. first, are you jeopardizeing national security? will you stop funding the department of homeland security as the debate continues? >> no that struck me as kind of an unusual statement given that the speaker of the house and mitch mcconnell, the senate leader both indicated that we intended to move forward and pass legislation to do that. so i think at the end of the day we're certainly going to make certain that we fund those agencies, yes. >> no matter what else is being discussed, debated, or argued over that department will stay open? >> that was the statement of mitch mcconnell and speaker john boehner. i think that's their intention, absolutely. >> okay. on the issue of arming rebels in ukraine, secretary of state john kerry says he's open to conversations about sending defensive weapons to the country. it's pretty clear what's been going on in ukraine. what do you think it is that's developed there that changes the

equation now? >> i think what's happened is that now with the new offensive, new russian offensive, and especially with so much russian armor coming of ever the the border, many t-80 tanks, the question is how do you stop these? anti anti-tank missiles will be the answer. how do you get them into the hands of the ukrainian military. at this point clearly there's general breed love is the commanding general of nato. he has suggested, look it's time to allow the ukrainians to defend themselves send them more than the first aid kits that we've sent them. so this type of deterrence would raise the cost on russian units because they can't really turn these heavy tanks over to the -- their allies there in eastern ukraine. they've got of have russian soldiers operate them. and to begin to increase the price of the russians the

anti-tank missiles would do that. >> chairman royce, it's willie geist. what does this mean for the united states? it seems to me if we step in now openly on the side of kiev the side of ukraine, that pits us against russia. what does that means for our relationship there? >> i think frankly there's a greater risk of escalation if we do nothing because if we do nothing at this point, putin has shown he's going to break the groo emt. he's possibly going to go into the region next to demask. whether it was the governor or the mayor or the women's group or civil rights groups every element in society that my delegation talked with, they all said the same thing. they said this is the problem. the russians are recruiting every skin head in the russian speaking world through the internet. they're training them. they're sending them in here. now they're sending troops in with them. and we will fight this. we will prevent this because

although we're russian speakers we are for the deal that poroshenko offered us autonomy russian language and we want to be part of ukraine. we want the russians out. so this will escalate dramatically unless there's some deterrence to the russians sending in these tanks. i think this is the answer, is to get the anti-tank missiles,al allow them to be given or sold to the ukrainian military that needs them. >> steve rattner? >> congressman, just switching to another nearby hot spot, which is the area that isis is trying to control. wisconsin governor scott walker said over the weekend he was not opposed to sending in ground troops if that's what it took. could you tell us what your limits are, what you would think is being appropriate to go into that region on the part of the u.s. and where your stop is? >> yeah. my intention in the hearings

that we will hold shortly in my committee is to listen to my republican and democratic members of the committee and try to determine, after looking at the president's requests for the authorization of use of force, where we come down on this. as you know on the senate side legislation has been prepared which has a three-year time limit. in terms of assistance and this is what the debate is going to be about. not combat troops but in terms of assistance to send in special ops, to work with maybe some of these sunni tribes to push back isis, or to call in air strikes, i think this is the delicate question that the administration is probably going to be asking for, right? what do we do in situations like this and we'll debate this out in the committee and we'll come to a bipartisan consensus, i believe, and then we'll probably go into conference between the house bill and senate version of

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served mccain ♪ ♪ [ bleep ] ♪ ♪ [ bleep ] ♪ ♪ so i am holding nothing back ♪ ♪ [ bleep ] i got five on the ♪ ♪ now just throw your hands in the [ bleep ] and raise another like you just don't care ♪ ♪ what's my other [ bleep ] name ♪ >> i -- i -- i didn't see those. >> jimmy fallon does that to him all the time. >> so funny. joining us former republican senator of south carolina now president of the heritage foundation, jim demint. from new orleans, democratic strategist james carville. james' book "love and war, 20 years, 3 presidents 2 daughters and 1 louisiana home" is out now in paperback. >> good to see you guys. >> let me ask both of you. i don't know maybe we'll find agreement here. maybe we won't. steve rattner and i actually agreed on one thing. >> what? >> shocking. >> no. >> james carville -- >> i can't remember. >> barack obama is saying republicans are playing politics with defense and basically don't

love america if they don't support a $538 billion pentagon budget. >> right. >> increase. i mean, we used to talk about $250 billion pentagon budget. $300 billion. we're up to -- if you don't spend $538 billion you don't love america and the troops. i mean this is insane -- is this the military industrial complex? >> well, look i'm sure that he can put his original proposal up and probably put in it anything he thought we would get because the other side comes in. other lawyer it settle for $100,000, $50,000, okay, $75,000. it's a negotiating tactic that he's playing hard up front to get something else is what i presume. >> this obviously goes back to sequestration. i'm one of those guys. i'm not sure about you, jim demint but i'm a republican who thinks we probably have some weapons systems that military contractors want that the pentagon and america doesn't need. >> right. >> we have military bases -- >> a few.

>> -- that congressmen, senators want that the pentagon doesn't need. how much money are we waste to think pentagon budget? >> well, even our own accountability office government accountability office, finds hundreds of billions of dollars we're wasting. there's a lot in defense. we have a budget book here that's 106 ways to cut the budget. >> mika is going to be reading this. >> i am. i can't wait. >> get my notes out of that. >> oh. i'm doing to read your notes. >> every area of government, joe, we've got wastes -- >> including defense. >> -- including defense. what this president has done and james knows this we have cut military spending significantly over the last six years. sequestration took another hit out of it. now the president is using it as a bargaining chip because he knows republicans want to get more spending back in the military and he wants more domestic programs. >> right. >> they're doing some horse trading there. but i don't think the president

really wants to increase military expenses. >> jims, let me ask you something. sequestration, you can have the debate over whether it's worked or not worked. the deficit has gone down. it's going to go back up. discretionary domestic spend kg be cut all you want to cut it. raise all the tax you want to raise. if you don't tackle entitlements you're doomed. are both partyies going to keep staying away from the big ticket items? >> it's not clear that you're doomed. >> it is. >> right now the deficit is dropping percentage of gdp faster than ever. health care costs have gone down. borrowing costs to the government is essentially nothing. let's see. every time i turn around the thing is getting smaller and smaller. >> james, it's going to be going higher and higher. economists have been predicting that it's going to go smaller and smaller for the past five years. >> we say that but every time you look around borrowing costs, if inflation is low, health care costs are flattened out. they might go up. if there is they should address it. to problem about it. when you talk about defense, cut

more. look at jim fowler's piece "the atlantic." >> it's horrible. >> spend so much and get so little. military is like anything else subject to scrutiny too. i agree with that. >> i love james carville but when you talk about medicare and medicaid it is like steve rattner, a hurricane coming to the coast and it may be sunny outside right now and, by the way, economists have been predict for five years, that the deficit was going to keep dropping to this point. and then it was slower than prek predicting. it's going up. it's medicare costs, steve rattner, that is causing that, right? >> medicare costs. >> medicare medicaid social security. >> the entitlement programs. there have been some reductions in medicare. the president proposed more. basically what you have are those program, important programs crowding out this nondefense -- what we call nondefense discretionary, education, and then people believe the defense budget should be decreased. squeezed down by the

entitlements. we've thot taken a thoughtful look at how we spend our money as well as addressing the long-term. >> how do we do it? how do we approach medicaid and medicare? understand that medical costs have gone down over the past three or four years and we're happen my about that. but still, every serious economist i've ever talked to says medicare medicaid social security, baby boomers retiring, all of that combines for pretty toxic makes when it comes to the debt. >> it's up to about 85% of total spending. and, joe, medicare and social security are programs that people have paid for. >> right. >> they are real it into mmentes because people are entitled to those. obamacare has added 40% to our overall entitlement over the next ten years. >> right. >> so it is just added to an already unsustainable debt level. but there are ways -- i know i proposed when i was in the house and senate paul ryan proposed ways to transition these programs for the next generation that really work better and --

but cut the spending. >> medicare, social security? >> yeah. and obvious will i the medicaid expansion that obamacare encourages takes a program already heavily in debt and makes it completely impossible to sustain. >> james carville do you want to get in? >> i do. the hurricane, a guy from south carolina, a guy from northwest florida, a guy from louisiana. three years ago, category 5, it's coming right for us, it's going the kill us all. now they say, well it's a category 3 and land about 75 miles to the west of you. all right. let's see where the thing is. but it's not anything if we predict the vorer ras city of the storm is less, the land point point is less here. it's not like it was three or four years ago. >> are you talking about medicare and medicaid? >> yes. health care costs are flattening. the things are going. it's certainly not a problem we got some period of time before we got to decide whether to evacuate or not. we've got other problems to deal

with right now. >> what james is saying is true. the fact is budget deficit has come in better than expected baz interest rates are low because medical costs are going down because there have been some reforms to medicare. none the less as i think to your analogy, joe, even if it's a category 3 hurricane, if you see it coming i think you need to deal with it. the only question i would put to you, senator, is when you say the current generation has paid for medicare and social security, they didn't really pay for it. they certainly didn't pay for all of it. those of us around a certain age are going to get benefits we didn't pay for and are going to get paid for by our children. >> we need to reform it. younger workers could get a better deal if we save what they put in it rather than spend it the way we been doing the last generation. but, joe, you were exactly right. we've got a little dip in the deficit which is not to debt which you know year to year hole that we dig. the whole deficit is going to explode over the next ten years even if the president gets all the tax increases that he's asked for.

he's still add $6 trillion to an $18 trillion debt. we can't sustain that. >> for people at home what they need to understand is this. all the debate you hear about cutting spending is it's usually defense or it's discretionary domestic spending. if you just talk about discretionary domestic spending, that's 10%, 11%, 12% of the budget. all of the debating all of this screaming, all of the kicking and the yelling is over this while the real drivers of the debt, just never gets discussed by politicians on either side because they're scared. >> we shouldn't ignore hundreds of billion of dollars a year. if we can't cut these wasteful programs that everyone knows -- if we can't cut those, how are we going to deal with medicare and social security. >> i understand that. i'm not saying that you don't look at these programs. that's the entire debate. 10%, hefb% of the debate. that's like worrying about a guy's fooef there when he's got a heart attack about to go into, you know cardiac arrest.

do you want to ask james the question you want to ask? >> okay, fine. i can start there. let's talk 2016. >> all right. >> is there anybody who can beat hillary on either side? >> yeah. if some by republican emerges really strong and unifies that party and sure that they could. the problem is i think the big is does jeb bush compete in iowa. if you look at that poll i don't think he has any chance at all to wib. >> can he compete in iowa? >> will he compete in iowa. if you're his campaign adviser, we need to go to iowa and compete or pick it up in new hampshire? that's his choice. >> i think he's going to loob at what's happening in the past. he's going to go there. jeb bush jim, having a lot of trouble in some of these early polls, having trouble in iowa early poll new hampshire, you go state by state by state and hess just not doing as well as all the money people would expect. i mean look at this bloomberg poll that just came out.

des moines register gold standard out there. jeb bush hitting 9%. first, second third, fourth fifth place. why? >> i think it's going to depend more on the ideas that these candidates come out with. i know as we've talked to people around the country what people want is a fair shot at opportunity. they're tired of the favoritism in washington. >> right. >> our call is opportunity for all, favoritism for none. the candidates who embrace the right ideas and give america a different vision are going to change those polls over the next -- >> can jeb bush do that? >> i'm not sure who can do it. but i think -- that's not our job at heritage to pick the candidates. >> i'm just curious. >> we want to make -- >> let me ask you about issues. common core, a lot of conservatives don't like common core. >> i want to know where he really stands on it. >> he supports it. >> he was good on education in florida. anyone who supports common core does not understand the failures at the federal level for

education. and a centralized approach to education does not work. >> what about immigration? is jeb wrong on immigration? >> well -- i'm not sure what his position is. some of the things he's said have concerned me. we need to fix our immigration system but it should not start with rewarding people who broke our laws. >> james carville over the past several months i've been suggesting democrats are leaving working class voters behind when they take the positions that they take. national leaders take positions they take on let's say cops when they take the position they take on isis that it's a jv team and we don't want to call it islamic extremism. you can talk about four or five six other issues, whether you talk about some of the climate alarmists who are extremists on the climate. do you believe in climate change, do you believe it's manmade. some of the lefties in the democratic party are taking it to extremes. you know this is true. i'm wondering if you will say on

camera what i know you say off camera which is democrats need to worry a whole lot more about working class voters. >> i think you can worry about working class voters and say, you know 97% of the scientists are right. which is an argument about nothing. there's not a real argument in science about this. so you don't have to be stupid to appeal to working class voters. >> i'm not suggesting you do. but at the same time at some point when you get the afl/cio against you, when you get teamsters against you because you take extreme positions on pipelines that make the environment safer, that's denying science for your ideological left wing fund-raisers. >> the number one republican economic program is a pipeline that would create 35 permanent jobs. i'm giving you an example back. you asked me a question. i said the number one propose is is a pipeline that wouldn't get built, if it did get built, 35 permanent jobs. give them the 35 jobs. >> that's not it james. >> okay. >> i'm talking about a bigger issue.

do you think tom steyer represents where let's say, middle class or working class democratic voters are on the balance between the environment and jobs? >> well, first of all, tom steyer never got elected as a democrat to anything. secondly -- >> he controls politician's positions. >> i think the democrats to say that climate change is not real and man does not contribute to it would be stupid. >> james, i think -- i think -- i think you draw up these false choices. >> no i'm not. >> yes, you are. >> i'm not. >> you're playing all or nothing because you don't want to talk about the fact that -- >> but what's the scarborough position, is climate change real? >> yeah. climate change is real. >> humans cause climate change? >> yes, i've said that, too. >> we agree on the issue. >> yes. we do agree on that issue. now you've got to figure out how to implement that into policy but you're smiling and you know what you're doing here so i will just let you do that in your

university class and not here. go tigers. good to talk to you. we'll play these games later. former senator jim demint thank you. thanks carville. go and send no more. look forward to we seeing you soon. coming up next benjamin netanyahu's trip to washington makes waves here in the u.s. and israel. why some say he shouldn't make the visit. we've got the mayor of jerusalem next.

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a lot of talk here about benjamin netanyahu coming over here and addressing the congress without talking to the president. how is that seen in israel? how is that seen in jerusalem? >> the issue is thot the trip. the issue is the subject matter. i think the world is now understanding that terrorism is not an israeli problem, it's a global issue. the last thing the world wants is for iran to have a nuke. they say they're going to give it to the extreme islamist groups in the world and we don't want that to happen. the challenge, i think prime minister netanyahu has and we all have in the free world we're all in line. we're in the same line. if we're first or you're first, it doesn't matter. you must be very offensive with the bad guys and make sure they never get a nuke. and the subject matter is the issue. the subject matter i think prime minister netanyahu wants to raise the awareness of the challenge we all have. and rather than talk about is he coming here or not, focus on the question that prime minister

netanyahu is raising and that is, we must not allow, must not trust any deal with the iranians because they'll flip on us they'll sign a deal and they'll flip on us. >> is this the best backdrop though to shed light on the subject matter when you look at the trip, which is an issue as well. it's a contentious issue here in the states and it's pitting the -- he's right in the middle of president obama and the republicans who are inviting him. >> well, i think that there are no two sides here. >> should he take the trip this way? >> i don't know. it's not a question of whether should he take the trip or not. we should discuss the matter and not necessarily the trip. if it's now or in two weeks later, it doesn't matter. it's not the point. there are now elections in israel so everybody becomes a subject matter rather than discussing the future of the world. >> right. >> there's no doubt in my mind. god forbid if the iranians will have a nuke they will use it. they say they will use it. and i hear them very very well. >> right. >> the free world has to work

together and not to discuss is the trip this week next week or two weeks later. >> underlying issue. steve rattner? >> you're a politician. i think the trip is a symbolic issue. i think it's fair game to discuss the trip. but let me move on. you said you wouldn't trust any agreement we made with iran no matter what it said so therefore, what do you do about the iranian nuke problem? it sunds like you're advocating a military action or what in order to deal with it? >> yeah you got to -- 100% make sure they never get a nuke because they will sign any deal. look they are sending -- >> military action? that is bombing them? >> military or anything else that will make sure that facilities. >> have people on the ground o to ensure that they don't and take no risks with it and make sure that you have visibility to what they do. they are sending their kids to commit suicide. to lie is not a big deal for them. they will sign any deal you want so they will get off their back.

whatever deal they make is not for the sake of committing to the deal, but to make sure that the world gets off their back. so we should be laser focused on this. >> the position has always been that america will never allow iran to have nuclear weapons. that appears to be the mayor's position as well. has that changed? is barack obama now okay with iran having nuclear weapons? >> no, but i think he has a different view of how to get there. >> he's trying to negotiate. i'm not asking an opinion question. i'm asking has u.s. policy changed? it's always been we'll never allow iran to have nuclear weapons. has that changed? >> i don't believe so. do you think it has? >> i'm asking an honest question. >> there's nuance whether they have the capability or the

implementation, but i don't think he's changed his position. >> let's hope a reporter will ask that question at the white house whether that policy has changed. i don't think there's much space between what you said and what u.s. policy is right now. >>. i hope not. there's a risk we must not take. so give them no leeway. be. very tough. even a little more than tough when you talk about people that want to destroy the world. >> that's also the polgs o of every arab government that does not want iran to have nuclear weapons. >> thank you for being on the show. >> we'll see you soon. still ahead, who's who of snl alums are coming back for the huge 40th anniversary e show. we'll tell you who was just added to the line up. we're back in a moment. r choices in retirement. know that proper allocation could

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century. there are parts of new england that did not need more snow. we'll be talking about that coming up. steve rattner joins us. we have a lot of politics. i have 21 news stories. >> let's set a record. speed read. >> governor chris christie is on a three-day trip to england but he stirred up a debate over the safety of vax 19 seens back home. i think casey hunt started this. >> good for her. >> with her sweet questions. >> as long as it ends well. >> she asks these innocent little questions. here's "morning joe" correspondent casey hunt. >> reporter: chris christie came here to highlight the close ties to british bioscience touring a company that makes vaccines. but he ended up injecting himself into an american debate.

>> i understand that there are families that in some cases are concerned about the effect of vaccinations. the science is pretty indisputable. there aren't -- >> are you saying to get your kids vaccinated? >> you should get your kids vaccinated. >> all i can say is we vaccinate o ours. i also understand that parents need to have some measure of choice. that's the battle that the government has to decide. >> back home kentucky senator rand paul weighed in too. >> did you just say that you think most vaccines in this country should be voluntary? >> i guess being r for freedom would be really unusual. i guess i don't understand the point point. i have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. i'm not arguing they are a a bad idea. but i think the parents should have input. >> chris christie was quickly to walk his statement back saying

quote, with a disease like measles there's no question kids should be vaccinated. it pulled away from the planned message. touring cambridge, paying his respects at the american cemetery and meeting with david cameron. the trips can help build foreign policy credentials but so far christie hasn't talked much foreign policy. >> what's the role of nato? even as you're here in the uk? >> even as i'm here in the uk. >> christie didn't leave politics at the water's edge. cameron wants the u.s. to accelerate. president obama supports it but christie says that's not good enough. >> all right, casey hunt joins us now from london.

casey, it start eded with just one of your simple questions, but as he tried to backtrack it did seem like he was trying to cover all sides of this. it's a dicey issue, the vaccines vaccines. >> well, i think it's interesting in part because. chris christie is someone who has actually dealt with this issue for some time as governor of new jersey. new jersey is a state with some of the strongest rules that mandate vaccinations, so there's sort of long been this vocal group of people who have expressed concerns about whether vaccines cause autism. this was in many ways sort of the stock answer that he's given when asked about this in previous incidents. i think it sort of goes to show you how the context can change when you are actually overseas taking a trip that makes you look like a presidential candidate essentially with all of these overtones. you have to calibrate. that's what you saw happen on

this issue yesterday. >> it happened all over ft place. casey hunt thank you so much. it definitely stirred up a debate. >> it's fascinateing how it has. john mccain did in 2008. barack obama did in 2008. and it's happening again now, but this is strange, steve rattner. i have talked about this before. there was a small study in england in 1998. i have a son who has a bergers and talked about how there still was a debate. at least in the science community there's not a debate. this is not even close. there's still a debate on climate change, the effects of climate change, how quickly climate change is coming on us a thousand different variables in that debate. this debate there's one small study that said vaccines cause

autism. it was debunked. the journal that put it out actually went back on it. the man who wrote it is no longer a doctor. he's been stripped of his medical license. this is not a close call. >> i don't think it's a close call. >> we're in the middle of a measles outbreak right now. and by the way, this is not red state or blue state. some of the states that have the toughest laws requiring vaccines are the reddest of red states. >> right, but it has become somewhat politicized and gotten bound up in republican ideology of choice and things like that. >> actually it's far right, far left so you can't say republican. >> who is in that camp? >> it's a lot like a civil liberties issue. so you'll have people extreme libertarians. >> i get the far left and far right thing.

>> barack obama in 2008 is not a republican. >> but today what is he saying? he said in the super bowl interview this is settled science skblp it's sad because he's not running for an election. when he was running, this is what he said. >> we have seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. nobody knows why. there are some people that are suspicious that it's connected to vaccines and triggers this person included the science right now is in inconclusive but we have to research it. >> even in 2008 the science was not inconclusive but he was running for president so he said the science was inconclusive. >> rick perry had a mandate and when michele bachmann went after him, he backed off. >> stop saying far right because this is a far right and far left issue. >> i think at the moment you're hearing this from the republican

side than the democratic side, would we agree on that? >> there's just hillary clinton right now running on the democratic side for president. >> actually i'll switch sides a little bit on you. scott walker has been very outspoken on the side of the fact there should be mandatory vaccinations vaccinations. >> are you surprised by what chris christie did? >> i found that disturbing that a doctor would say that. he's a doctor. but if you look at the republican field their outliars they all came out strongly and said vaccines are one of the greatest part of human progress in the last 50 years. it's not that hard. you look at how many people had measles and how many people died skyrockets down. so in this day in age to hear someone say that and then christie backtracked that and said no we think measles vaccine is good but he was alluding to

the fact there are other vaccines we need to be careful with. so if it's a political strategy it's an o odd one. if he feels that he's appealing to a group that might doubt vaccines perhaps that's what it was. >> rand paul as a doctor saying this is surprising. this reminds me of the debate of the 1950s. fluoride being put into the water is going to cause these effects. >> i will disspenspence -- it is a big government, little government, government telling me everything i need discussion. that's the overarching conversation. >> i say whether you're talking about this or whether you're talking about the nsa or whatever you're talking about, you have libertarians and liberals coming together as strange bedfellows.

rand paul also you were talking before about rand paul. >> we showed a piece of that interview on cnbc. there was another moment that has got an lot of attention. it was a different issue of taxes and he had not a beautiful moment. he shushed her. >> most of the research on this indicates that these actually cost more money over the long-term than they saved. >> that's incorrect. let's go back again. your premise and your question is mistaken. most of the research doesn't indicate that. kelly, shh, calm down let me answer the question. >> i can tell you're fired up. but what about 2016? is this here with an eye towards you entering 2016 as a presidential candidate or maybe getting drafted into one of the campaigns? >> we're thinking about it and

we're looking around the united states and see figure the message resinates. part of the problem is that you end up having interviews like this where the interview is so slanted and full of distortions that you don't get useful information. this is what's bad about tv sometimes. i think if we do this it again, you need to try to start out with a little more objectivity going into the interview. >> the interview kind of went that way. kelly asking some tough questions. >> i have never known her to be slanted. i certainly never -- i have never heard of cnbc to be accused of left wing liberalism. "the washington post" said well this rand paul interview didn't go well. he reiterated his contention on vaccines. three, he shushed the anchor. four, he concluded the interview

attacking cnbc as being biassed. . very strange. >> his point is one that you heard about the vaccines that as a doctor it's important to have less government. in our lives than to have the responsible vaccine. he will take less government over responsible vaccines. >> somebody tweeted the rest of that obama quote from 2008. he showed a little sound byte of it. after he said that, he said, part of the reason i think it's very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and so we cannot afford to junk our vaccine system. >> he said in 2008 it was inconclusive. >> now can i get to my 21 snuznews stories? a new record to super bowl xlix.

it was the most watched television show in history pulling in over 114 million viewers. the previous record was held by last year's big game. the only show in the top seven that isn't a super bowl is the series finale of "m.a.s.h." "american sniper" is the highest grossing military film all time. it surpassed "saving private ryan." the film has also made $67 million overseas bring the total to over $300 million worldwide. >> hollywood not happy with this. >> it's actually thought it might push "the passion of the christ" for the highest grossing r rated movie. it may not catch that. >> those two fall in together. >> message to hollywood.

>> i think another good example of sometimes what you hear in washington and new york and certain quarters about pop culture is not reflective of how the country is feeling. >> let's talk about the super bowl really quickly. talk about how the season started in trouble and now the nfl if you were doing a state of the union address would say it's not only strong it's the strongest ever. the biggest audience ever in the united states of america. >> it was a great game. >> that's part of the calculation. goodell must go he's bad for the game. everyone came to the games that sunday after ray rice. the ratings were big and now the super bowl number, people separate what happens off the field to a couple of the guy. s. when sunday comes around they want to watch their games. >> did you hear what happened in the field with the picture of bill belichick? >> no joe, i'm not sure we

agree with this one. >> that's his sister. he kissed his sister. >> oh it's his daughter? >> can we take that down. >> you don't kiss your daughter? >> take that picture down. not with your eyes closed. >> it's one frame. >> what's wrong with you? stop. >> don't look at me. >> i'm looking at you. >> you're the ones that said this is creeping me out. >> joe is now bright red so maybe we should move on. >> apparently how chris christie portrays himself if if he chooses to run for president is the problem because the paper says he has a history of letting others foot the bill in a taste that runs more towards champagne at the four seasons rather than a cheese steak at the boardwalk. they detail luxury trips taken

by the governor regarding expensive hotels car services. among the trips the paper outlines casino owner and israel supporter sheldon aide el son let him use his plane. they paid for a family vacation at the end of the trip. christie signed an executive order in 2010 allowing new jersey governors to have travel expenses paid by foreign governments. he said it was a matter of opportunity saying quote, i relish these experiences and exposures, especially for my kids. i try to squeeze all the juice out of the orange that i can. >> i guess the question is those are all splashy details.

is there impropriety there? >> i read that story. some of the people that provided planes like sheldon adeleson had a dog in the fight. so there are some people doing favors for him who had interests. >> so you saw me wincing it's because i know if you look at everything from the road from little rock to washington for the clintons i can't imagine. >> they talk about one night that chris christie was around bono. would we like to count the nights the clintons have been around bono beyonce, rock stars, kings, queens, have lived a lavish life that very few people in america -- they have lived like kings and queens. >> we have to make a parallel.

>> i'm just curious if "the new york times" is going to write a story about hillary clinton and the lifestyle that she has led over the past 30 years along these lines. >> there's a story right now about hillary clinton and her use of private jets when she was a senator. >> there you go. will "the new york times" follow up with a big front page story there? >> there were tons of stories when the clintons first came to the white house where it was -- >> part of the point of "the new york times" story was to contrast with what christie does so to what he says he is. joy behar will be here to co-host the 8:30 half hour. looking forward to her opinions. plus a ground hog accused of having an attitude.

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joe." time to take a look at the morning papers. we'll start with "the los angeles times." shug knight is going to make his first appearance in court after

being charged with murder. he's accused of running over two men with his truck killing one of them. knight's attorney says their u client was assaulted and tried to flee his attackers when he accidentally ran over them. bail was set at $2.2 million was revoked with officials reportedly reportedly citing his past. >> wasn't he believed to also kill a couple of others? >> that's one of the conspiracy theories is he was involved in tupac's death. he was in the car with tupac so it seemed unlikely that he put himself in the car as the assassin. >> google and ooububer may be going head to head. the service would be kektded to its driverless car service. they 'appear to be a ridesharing

app. goop l ventures invested $258 million in uber the largest investment deal in history. the leafchief legal officer is on the board of directors and the board is considering asking him to resign. uber announced on monday they are teaming up with karncarnegie melon to work on driverless cars. most young people to spend more time in bed. here's a new breakdown by age. to note newborns should get 14 to 17 hours of sleep with their range narrowed from the 12 to 28. infants sleep was extended from 12 to 15 hours. toddlers and teens age 14 to 17 also have their u sleep range widened one hour. for adults though the recommended sleep range did not change. they should receive seven to nine hours each night. 50 to 70 million americans

currently suffer from sleep deprivation deprivation. cleveland browns quarterback johnny manziel is seeking treatment. he voluntarily entered a rehab facility telling those close to him he wants to figure out his value system. browns' gm released a statement saying in part we respect his decision and will fully support him throughout this process. there's no set timetable for manziel's return. now to the nba. the pelicans downed the hawks ending the winning streak at 19 games. davis led all scorers with 29 points. 115-100, and i was born in atlanta. the hawks were the ones to keep up with. this is pretty shocking stuff. where did this come from? >> this is total dominance.

they don't have that huge super star. they have a group of all-star caliber players and young guys were coming up. it's fun to watch atlanta who has toiled with low attendance really been on an incredible run so people think they are the best team in the nba. also in sports, warren sapp lost his job as an analyst after he was arrested on assault and solicitation of prostitution charges. police say the hall of famer was taken into custody after the super bowl the other night. there was an argument over money and the the altercation turned physical. an act of prostitution occurred in a hotel guest room by one of the two females involved. sapp has denied the assault charges. this from the new york daily news rex ryan can probably expect a lot of changes this year but what you might not have expected is he's changed his color. that's right, rex hit the tattoo parlor on friday. he changed the color of a tattoo

depicting his wife wearing nothing but the number 6. still toting the number 6, hopefully he'll remain a fan of buffalo. >> okay guys. let's go to the milwaukee journal sentinel. bill delaware plaz owe is not the only mayor with trouble when it comes to ground hogs. the mayor of sun prairie was bit by the ground hog yesterday on live tv. the critter predicted an early end to winter, he bit the mayor -- >> oh man. >> he's a gamer, look at him. >> those things are mean. >> put him down. >> good gracious. up next what happens to a man

who says some women's bodies don't work for the pants. >> let's see if they get kicked out. >> or they step down. we're going to have joy behar as our cohost. we'll get her take on that story. >> i've seen willie in leotards before. they work. we'll be right back. grandpa bode, grandma said you used to be out of control. really... i guess i did take some risks. anncr: bode, bode miller!!! trained a little bit differently. a little too honest sometimes. the media is useless. you were out of control. but not always.

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i've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. i'm not arguing vaccines are a bad idea. i think they are a good thing. but i think the parents should have some input. the state doesn't own your children. it is an issue of freedom. >> thank you, senator. >> that was rand paul weighing in on the debate over vaccinations. joining us now is joy behar. want to start there? >> well, i have been thinking about this because we all get vaccinated eventually. my friend jenny mccarthy is in the middle of this.

i notice on twitter and facebook and everything. so she said it caused autism back then. now presidential candidates are agree. ing with her. so my feeling is why doesn't jenny run for president? >> you'd like to see that. >> we all got measles and mumps in the old days. we also got polio. this is thinking on the right that is really scary and dangerous. climate change deniers, vaccination deniers, they are going to kill us. >> i think on this it's far right, but it's also far left and it's a little bit -- we'll bring joe in. >> democrats are not saying that. >> there are people on the left who have this issue. >> are they running for president? >> they dance around this issue. >> steve rattner and i had this discussion earlier and he was trying to make this a right wing thing. steve said at the end of the

7:00 hour he said i checked out the polls and it's pretty much split. people on the far left and far right. joy, we were talking about barack obama in 2008 said it was inconclusive. it seems to be guys on the campaign trail are afraid to cite science. this is straight science. >> why? >> you tell me. it's not a right wing thing because. barack obama did this in 2008. >> i get that but he change edd that when he realized it when he was wrong. >> he changed it when he got elected. >> who is running for president on the democratic side that is also saying you shouldn't get vaccinated? >> you only get one person running on the democratic side. you have 8,000 on the republican side. >> you have elizabeth warren, she's speaking out. bernie sanders, those people are not say inging. >> this is ongoing theme this morning. everybody wants to paint this as a right wing thing. as willie said you have rand

paul who was irresponsible and reckless in what he said and chris christie who walked his back. mike huckabee and a lot of people coming out saying vaccinate your children. i don't think this is a right/left thing. >> why is it a thing at this point? >> it's been discredited across the board that this is not true. you can get autism from vaccinations. the guy was a liar and a cheat who said that, the doctor. >> one final thing mika. this is a thing because it is a small, very active, very aggressive group of people who believe vaccines cause damage. i have son who has asperger's. it's something i looked into as well. but there's no science that's credible suggesting that this causes autism. >> let me ask you something. i understand maybe i'm incorrect, if you're an infant under 12 months, you cannot be.

vaccinated, correct? an infant cannot be vaccinated. you have to be a certain age and they could die if they get measles measles. if a politician is saying it's optional and an infant gets measles and dies are they responsible? >> that's the ethical debate. >> he wants to die when he's 75. >> that was an incredible piece he did. >> not everybody has to be the big shot. some people just want to drive a car. >> senator rand paul's interview with kelly on cnbc got a little contentious. i wond whaerer what you think of this. she asked about a proposal for a corporate tax holiday and then things got kind of weird. take a look. >> most of the research on this indicates that these actually cost more money over the long-term than they save.

>> that's incorrect. let's go back again. your premise and your question is mistaken. most of the research doesn't indicate that. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> calm down a bit here, kelly. let me answer the question. >> i can tell you're fired up. i apologize for the reason for that but what about 2016? is this with an eye towards you entering 2016 as a presidential candidate or getting drafted into one of the campaigns? >> we're thinking about it and we're looking around the united states and seeing if the message resinates. part of the problem is that you end up having interviews like this where the interview is so slanlted and full of distortions that you don't get. useful information. i think this is what's bad about tv sometimes. if we do this again, you need to start out with a little more objectivity going into the interview. >> what just happened? >> it's interesting because they are very testy some of these

politicians running. he's not exactly sit down and shut up christie, but it's on the continuum of annoyance. she interrupted him a couple times though. >> that's what we do. i have to tell you people out there who do interviews on c nbc and nbc, she is not like a fire breather like interrupting cow. she's kind of really very neutral and objective, very polite. she was even saying she was sorry trying to sort of be nice. he punched her back in the face. >> maybe it's because she's a woman? do you think he would talk to a man like that? >> maybe, i'd have to think about that. >>. comedians don't take that. >> i think he was feeling defensive because he was so wrong about the science of vaccines. >> he calls himself a doctor?

how is he a doctor? >> a lot of people are questioning that. >> what kind of doctor is he? >> he's an opt moll gist. >> the ceo of lululemon is stepping down? >> he had a massive recall of yoga pants a few years ago and the reason was that women's thighs were rubbing together on the fabric and the fabric -- >> tell me what did he say? >> his customers' thighs were rubbing together on the fabric. and he said that these pants aren't meant for some women's body types and that was the end. >> so this is pure and simple thighism. >> it's thighism. that's what this is. >> i personally object. >> what are you supposed to do with yoga pants? you're supposed to move around

in them. >> your thighs are supposed to rub together. >> that means you're okay in the pants. >> thighs don't rub together. >> theirs don't. >> yes, they rub together. >> do yours? >> absolutely. >> men. >> i like the products. a little expensive, it's a good product, but this is obviously -- >> do you agree you go to the gym? >> the pants should hold up. >> the material is what the problem is. >> not the people, the material. >> i was doing this event in washington and all these people doing yoga on the mall. they were all wearing lu lu lemon pants and it was -- they need to change the pants sblp my

generation didn't exercise. the reason i say is because of the ugly gym suits we were forced to wear. these green jobs that made you look like a member of the women's russian wrestling team and it's destroyed our self-esteem where we don't want to be seen in the gym. >> now it's scary because you go into lululemon, you can be of all shapes at my place. lululemon you have to look like everybody in there. >> i'm not familiar with any of this. i took my first pilates yesterday. it was like an s and m machine. 50 shades of joy. >> we need to get some video of that happening. >> don't kill me. i have a busy week. >> did your thighs rub together? joy, stay with us. thank you very much. stay with us. don't do that. up next wall street is seeing

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chicago. r joining us now the executive vice president of the second city and the ceo of second city. co-authors of a new book "yes and." and." gentlemen, thank you for being with us. who wants to define this for us? >> i'll do it. improvisation which we teach is all about saying yes and and, confirming and contributing. when you tray to make something out of nothing, if you say no, you ruin it. up to say yes. you have to add to it. what we have found both at second city teaching for 55 years, but also in business is that too many people say no. they say no right away and that ruins any u chance of something creative. >> it's the thinking of someone comes up with an idea and the

initial kind of instintive response is to think of the all the reasons why it can't happen. because this is how the company works. >> i always wanted to do improv but i was too chicken to do it. then i went and did standup, which is ten times harder. you're naked up there and everybody else is dressed. but improv is a little scary because it's all about being in the moment, spontaneity, listening and saying whatever comes to your head. i probably would have liked it. it's one of my regrets. >> you're doing it as an ensemble so you have the support of other actors. it's a fundamental difference between the two forms. >> so many famous people came out of second city. alan arkin. >> you guys brought in some big names. >> i was lucky enough to be there in the '90s and we had

steve carell stephen colbert. what eweunites alan arkin to tina fey is the study of improvisation. it's not just that they have a great talent it's they have a common language which is about creating things in groups. no one teaches us how to be original and creative in a group. >> how would you help a banker? some boring job, how do you help them? >> we do that all the time. usually it's around communication, collaboration, creativity. how to listen better how to read a room how to create trust. how to respond well to failure. there's a lot of failure in business. usually it gets swept ushd the rug. >> do you think it could help politicians? >> can you talk about the different levels of failure that you guys have in this it book and how you apply it? >> we do we fail all the time publicly. a lot of improv fails. it's a dirty little secret. sometimes it works, sometimes it

doesn't. we're used to it and build the muscle. we do it together. so like joy was saying you're not just doing it alone as a standup. you're doing it together so there's safety in numbers. we do it incrementally. we have a lot of little failures along the way when we create shows to get to a better idea. >> isn't it kind of like a rehearsal in a way? i used to teach and it's like something wonderful right away. there are great books about this topic. i remember reading that you do an improv and if it work, you get it together and you repeat it. it's like the improv was a rehearsal for the real deal. >> it's r&d. a lot of people don't know that creativity needs research and development. so businesses need to create little improv sets for themselves. where can they fail fast and fail so it won't hurt. >> let's try it in our final 10

seconds. i loved having you on the show today. >> i'm so glad you didn't ask me what i learned. >> i'm so glad we cut away when you did that pilates move. >> i could do it again. i like to have my legs up in the air. >> here we go. >> i give it a 10. >> i see what you're saying. >> how did that go? >> she stops because she is a prude. >> i'm hiding my deep seeded crazy side. >> all right, the book is "yes and." it just went in one ear and out the other. have a great day everybody.

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