don't think that -- i know this has been bantied about a little bit in the context of presidential politics for 2016. i'm not going to avail myself of the opportunity to weigh in on comments of others. the president' views on this are clear. if given the opportunity to do so he will repeat his urgent guidance that parents have a responsibility to get their kids vaccinated against the measles. the reason for that is failing to do so not only parts those that can't be vaccinated until they are 12 months oelds but also puts at risk the children who have compromised immune systems who can't get the measles vaccine. that's why the president believes that the parents do have a responsibility here. not just for their own kids but kids in the community. >> does he believe it's time -- >> josh earnest at the white

house doing his daily briefing answering a question there about the vaccine controversy. but opening of course with breaking news we're covering this hour. isis claiming to have executed and brutally executed a jordanian pilot. a terrorist group has released video that it says shows al kaseasbeh in a cage being burned alive. the president spoke minutes ago at the white house as well as that josh earnest statement. he issued a condemnation of this death and made a statement of solidarity with jordan. >> you know i just got word of the video that had been released. i don't know the details of the confirmations. but should in fact this video be authentic, it's just one more indication of the viciousness

and barbarity of this organization. it will redouble the vigilant and determination on part of a global coalition to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated and whatever ideology they are operating off of, it's bankrupt. we're here to talk about how to make people healthier and make their lives better. and this organization appears only interested in death and destruction. >> that mirrors from what we heard from josh earnest, he has already instructed his team to deploy all available resources to the threat. they tried to leverage the pilot's life for a suicide

bomber al rishawi. those negotiations fell through because jordan demanded proof of plif. joining me from london keir simmons. what more do we know about this video? the entire world recoiling in horror at this. >> it's 20 minutes long and clearly as you would expect people are being cautious. it has been put online by a known organization that is linked to isis part of isis. so the assumption is that this is what it purports to be. we're also hearing the head of the jordanian armed forces has told the family of the jordanian pilots that he has been killed. that's being reported by reuters. reuters says a member of the pilot's family has told that organization that so it's absolutely horrifying shocking

and a change in the way that isis has executed its hostages up until now, they have been beheaded, on video too. this time this pilot, burned alive, 26 years old. he was flying an f-16 jordanian f-16 and crashed in syria. that was an incredibly difficult place for his plane to go down because it is the center of power for isis in syria. and although he survived that crash, he was taken by isis. as you mentioned, there have been negotiations if you can call them that between the jordanians and isis to try to secure the pilot's release in exchange for that failed suicide

bomber, that failed al qaeda suicide bomber. jordan has said it was prepared to release her in exchange for its pilot. that didn't happen and now we get this terrible news. >> i understand this pilot came from a family of some influence, all of jordan was following along throughout his imprison imprisonment imprisonment. what kind of reaction are you hearing from the jordanian side right now? >> there are reports that there are protests already there. that's been one of the key questions really or one of the important questions is how -- what the reaction would be because his pilot -- his family have been outspoken. there have been criticism of the jordanian government for it was said by some in jordan not doing enough to try to secure the release i have their pilot. while at the same time the jordanians working to try to

secure the release of the japanese journalist goto who was executed by isis in recent days. so it's been a very tense atmosphere in jordan over the fate of this pilot. and now the question is what will the reaction be? will the people -- will people in jordan react by saying well we need to do more to fight isis or will there be a reaction a recoil, if you like a sense of what we don't want our young men flying these dangerous missions over iraq and syria. that is a question yet to be answer. but at the moment people are still trying to deal with the utter shock of how this pilot was killed and trying to make sense of it. and some of the details are still emerging. >> and perhaps that recoil away from strikes against is sis exactly what's intended here. nbc keir simmons.

joining us on the phone is evan kohlmann and here onset with me mikey kay. he knows this particular theater of war well. evan i'll start with you. obviously a loaded signal that this pilot was in prison while carrying out operations against isis that he was killed so brutally. how much of a major step is this for isis in terms of its tactics? >> it's awful. obviously it's terrible to watch and the amount of detail they include is horrific. but i think there's one obvious reason why they might do this. the beheading videos are starting to become derigger losing their oomph. if you want to shock people this is one way of doing that. when did this actually happen?

because it sounds to me like the jordanians have some clue that the pilot was already dead. and based on the production value of the video, it certainly looks like this occurred at least several days ago, if not longer. one of the questions, was he murdered days or weeks ago and is that why the jordanians have been pressing so hard on the issue of proof of life that they kind of already knew this and trying to verify this? we don't know. what we do know right now, clearly based on the way the video was presented and recorded this was done over the space of a week or more. the special effects alone, they are english and french and russian subtitles embedded into the video depending on what your language preference is. that alone, just the translation alone would take days. again it's interesting, when you look at that you think about the time line we're talking

about. >> stay on the line with us i want to get mikey's take on this. you've been on the ground in these settings and some places now isis strongholds. how do you think this particular extreme of brutality will play in iraq and syria? >> it takes it to a new level which evan alluded to but even shocked people who had become sort of used to the barbarity of what isis achieved so far. we have to look at this in terms of what does it mean in terms of the vulnerability of isis. i think we can get a few mess anls here. the fufrtirst one is they are running out of people. one of the key aspects of isis and makes them so powerful their ability to leverage western media. they've been doing that incredibly well ever since the beheading mr. foley. where we go from here is

interesting in terms of how this shapes the policy that the u.s. has. there's a big debate on whether you negotiate with terrorists or whether you don't. for me personally this is an absolute solidifying moment and you do not negotiate with terrorists they are unpredictable. >> the white house again speaking on this matter. here's josh earnest. >> and what does that say about the hostage negotiations and attempts that have been going on and those attempts in general? >> well, michelle, this video is still being evaluated by the intelligence community and questions about when this video might have been recorded will be among the questions that will be considered by the intelligence community. >> because vaccine came up it was 2008 that the president said that the science was inconclusive. the difference now, does he believe something has changed in the research that would make that not the case?

>> we do know at the time that the president was speaking there was a a study that has since been debunked that indicated that there might be a connection between -- between autism or increasing rates of autism and vaccines. but like i said since that time i believe this is in 2010 that stultdly was retracted. >> the white house transitioning to questions about the vaccine controversy. we'll be following that this hour too. we don't want to get back to breaking news unfolding so fast and inspiring such horror around the world about isis and latest. evan kohlman and a yman motel dean on the phone as well. >> this particular pilot, burned alive, was a part of when he was in prison? >> it's going to -- from the

domestic perspective, inside jordan, there's going to be some pressure on the jordanian government. we've already started to see that in recent weeks. the farther of this fi lot had been somewhat critical of jordan's development in the coalition against isis. there have been some increasingly expressing their disapproval with jordan being part of this coalition saying it wasn't jordan's fight. they were not under any immediate threat. you're going to see the officials from those countries that have been involved in the coalition, doubling down. we got a sense earlier with the jordanian foreign minister saying that despite the pilot who has now been murdered falling into the hands of isis his government was very much committed to the ongoing effort to destroy sis sis. what we're seeing in language is this is not the united states' fight, thsz our fight, something that poses ab existent shal threat to stability in the region and that's why they are involved.

there's no doubt, there are some who will look at this and question whether or not if it is worth the sacrifices of some of these soldiers. >> evan kohlmman still on the phone with us. we talked about this many times, she's shocking materials prop pull gate on social media. what are you seeing in that reaction? >> i think what's amazing, the video was released kind of encrypted format and immediately it started appearing on youtube and elsewhere. there have been some efforts by you tube to disable some of the vehicle viewing links. there are people out there that are unfortunately rallyied by this. i would question anyone that can watch this video and find joy in it. it's a really terrible thing to watch. i think that's all also why these people are dangerous and individuals in the west who

would watch a video like this and derive any sort of benefit from it. it's disturbing to think of those kind of people living in western cities or in the united states or other western countries. it's disturbing that anyone would believe that this is just the right. it's very difficult to watch this. the level of detail even from those who have seen beheading videos and execution videos before. the level of detail and detail as it was recorded on camera it's stunning. >> it's a moment of horror and all of the social media platforms and western companies are still playing catch-up trying to disable link in real time. we'll keep following the reaction. stay with us, mikey kay and evan coleman. we'll get a little update from the pentagon how the u.s. military is reacting to this. you laugh. you worry. you do whatever it takes to take care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future

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we're continuing to follow breaking news isis claimed to have brutally killed a jordanian pilot. a video was released showing a man it says was that pilot in a cage and being burned alive. before his death, he speaks and asks the parents of jordan's pilots to deter their sons from joining strikes against isis. 26-year-old pilot had been in the hands of isis since his f-16 went down. the city that serves as isis' strong hold in syria. joining me now is jim miklaszewski. thanks for xrabling. what is the reaction you're hearing from the pentagon? >> one of the first reactions occurred even before the deaths were made public that is that many people here in the pentagon thought that isis was never

serious about negotiating the release of this jordanian pilot or the japanese journalist. that their fate was pretty much sealed. that isis was simply using both hostages holding them out as propaganda tools to promote their militant and quite frankly morbid an brutal agenda. and second of all, in terms of the president's pledge to throw all of the resources that the u.s. has at finding the remaining hostages, that's already been proven pretty problematic. certainly there in syria there was a failed attempt by u.s. military to rescue american james foley. they landed at the right place but isis had already moved foley and then just recently there were two attempts to rescue american luke summers captive in yemen. he was killed by his captors. now the big concern is can the

u.s. hold this coalition together? first of all it was thought remarkable that they could get any muslim nations to join in the bombing campaign against isis at least in iraq. but now, you know according to the fact that king abdullah was already on somewhat shaking ground internally and the concern is here that this could frag meant that coalition. >> president obama has come out and talked about redoubling efforts by the global coalition against isis. what would that look like in practice? >> redoubling right now would amount primarily to air strikes. and you talk to any military experts you cannot win a war with air strikes alone. military officials here confirm that. that's why they predict that this effort currently under way will take three to five years as the u.s. tries to again train up and mobilize and effective iraqi military, but even more

difficult is the idea that you could train some moderate rebels to first of all weaponize them train them set them back into the fight there in syria and quite frankly, there are many people in the u.s. military and intelligence community who think that's almost impossible because there are hundreds of tribes. they have allegiances of convenience and the rocket propelled grenade launcher you give to one of your allies today, could very well end up in the hands of isis tomorrow there in syria. more difficult than anything the u.s. military has faced in some time. and again, redoubling the efforts, if it includes air strikes only will only serve to kill more isis fighters who by the way, are being -- the isis is replacing pretty much all on a one to one basis with still more new recruits ronan. >> very important point about

the dangers of relying on foreign fighting forces that the enemies put into our allies hands may back fire. we've seen that plenty in this particular region. thanks for that update. >> we have new information to bring you as well, a jordanian official just confirmed that the pilot was killed not now but weeks ago, january 3rd is the date they are giving this video and jordan is vowing punishment and revenge. we have a new reaction from capitol hill we wanted to bring you. keith ellie son. i condemn the horrific murder of those held by extremists in iraq and syria. barbaric violence and fear mongering has no place in islam. joining me now is eli lake on the phone from baghdad where he's been reporting on progress in the military operations and onset with me back with me mikey kay and ayman mohyeldin our foreign correspondent at nbc. eli, what is the reaction you're

hering there to this particularly brutal execution? >> well i mean it's -- to give a reaction but i can tell you that baghdad is in the center of this fight. i have been out to the front in deala as well as talked to the kurdish commanders last week who are fighting isis at this point. and it is -- right now iraq is a country that is back at war. and unfortunately, i think leading the fight is not so much the iraqi army but it's many of these extremists shia militias on the other side. increasingly there's a risk at least in the theater in iraq that the campaign against isis is turning very much into a civil war. >> and eli, you just heard jim miklaszewski, our pentagon reporter talk about the dangers in working with partner forces in the region. what have you seen in terms of

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'still from it says is the jordanian pilot. then finally burned alive. jordanian television reports he was actually killed though january 3rd. this is important because that would mean he was killed before isis tried to enter negotiations using his life as leverage for the release of a prisoner that jordan was holding. isis had asked for the release of attempted suicide bomber al rishawi and negotiations then fell apart. that was partly because jordan demanded proof of life. if that pilot was already dead it makes sense why the proof of life wasn't offered. we're here with the retired general. rewe appreciate your time. do you think that the pressure now ratchets up for the u.s. to do more than just air strikes? >> i think the pressure is on for the whole world to do more. but i think there's a danger of

oversimplification that there are things we can do if we just had the will we could make this go away. this is a long-term very sew fisty indicated threat that's going to take years to address. it's going to take allies from around the world. in this case the jordanians which have shown a lot of courage in this case and the king of jordan has shown a lot of courage. they need to continue to be part of this. there isn't any easy quick solution to this. the fact is for those that say if we -- maybe if we reinvaded iraq or something, everything would be okay that's a nonstarter. >> general as someone who knows the air force's capacities well and this kind of an operation well. what's your assessment of the efficacy of strikes ongoing already? >> absolutely the right thing to do. it's going to take time. there's a discussion we saw a little bit earlier about training the iraqis or kurds or

whoever. that will take some time. we started training with the gulf cooperation council states plus jordan in the late 1995 through '99 in the united arab emirates and they've been training forces and ground forces need to do the same thing. it takes a long time to develop capable military forces. we need to stick to the plan. we need to stick to the middle east. we need to stick with the coalition and we need to show resolve. >> and of course on the subject of that coalition, all eyes are on jordan and their next activities. we're just getting in king abdullah who had been in d.c. for a trip to the united states is cutting the trip short and returning home in this time of mourning. how critical a partner is jordan for making this operation work?

>> well i think they are very critical. the fact that the jordanians have committed to this process. they have hundreds and thousands of refugees in their country, part of the moderate arab leadership in the middle east. king abdullah has been a strong leader. they've demonstrated the fact that they will fight against extremism. and i think along with the other more moderate countries they will be part of the key to the end state that's going to take years to get to. ultimately, the palestinian/israeli issue will have to be resolved along the way. that's kind of the core of all of the problems over there besides this fighting between shias and sunnis. but jordan is critical to this fight. >> general, you don't think that significant progress can be made against isis without first addressing those broader middle east peace issues? >> i think there's already been progress made against isis.

but i think to your point, significant progress which means they are neutralized or defeated, will take all of the countries in the middle east plus other allies and we're going to have to show resolve. the tragedy of the pilot being assassinated as bad as it is is something we may have to get used to a little bit. not necessarily pilots but we're going to lose people en route but we have to do this. i think the big issue will be resolve. can we stay the course on this thing or are these barbaric unbelievable criminal acts going to deter us from doing what we should do? >> general, it is a time where the resolve of all of these partners is being tested so acutely. we appreciate your insights thank you. >> when we come back we'll look more cloelgsly at the reaction in jordan and the role jordan plays going forward in these coalition strikes.

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welcome back we're following breaking news horrifying claims from isis that they have burned alive a jordanian pilot. we have a new image from the video that pur forts to show that video. we learned that king abdullah is cutting short his visit. he had been in washington today. still with me ayman mohyeldin and mikey kay and is on the phone is evan kohlmann i want to talk about jordan's role in this how critical is jordan's role and do you anticipate them doubling down or stepping away? >> they have been integ ral to operations in the middle east for several years. going back to the iraq war,

instrumental in providing logistical support and in and out of training security forces intelligence sharing. but in recent months with the rise of isis jordan was one of the countries that stepped up provided fighter jets and pilots to carry out air strikes against isis targets inside syria. now other countries have been providing fighter jets some like bahrain are providing logistic support. jordan has a tremendous intelligence capability in terms of being able to get information on the ground in inside iraq and inside jordan and inside syria. that has been very instrumental as well to u.s. coalition efforts. in terms of where it goes forward, i think the jordanian government has made very clear it was not going to disengage from the coalition as a result of this. >> mikey kay, how does king abdullah make the case to his people that there needs to be a double down and not an ak quiescence to fear which

understandably must be part of the reaction there? >> i think it's an incredibly difficult thing to do. it goes back to the broader strategy about how jordan fits into the coalition and how isis goes back. if we go back to the conversation on arming rebels the air strikes and arming of rebels are short term solutions. we know they are quite effective because isis have been driven out of co-fof kobani. in order to get a long term success, you've got to have fusion between a security force and military army and police force with the political level. at the moment that is what is missing in syria. if you move forward, you will not get a fusion between a government that has a what is the political alternative, what we're absolutely missing. the other key thing is the way you fuse a ground force with air

power. having air power is critical not the be all and end all but there has to be fusion between ground forces and ground forces to tactically strike areas and at the moment you have a capable air force but don't have a ground force in the form of joint tactical air controllers. that's another big issue as well. if we get a chance more on program, it's the center of gravity of isis. what makes them so poet ent and critical? they are their ability to spread the -- >> that's something we've done a lot of reporting on in the show. social media companies are struggling to take down these new links springing up but it is a frenzy as the video spreads like wildfire this is very much a war of ideas as well. i want to bring in hayes brown. what are you seeing in terms of

social media reaction? how do companies navigate this situation, they don't want to incur liability but where according to terms of service they have to take down this content? >> it's a difficult struggle. on the one hand you have people like governments trying to get as much information as possible from these jihadis and others that use networks to spread their propaganda. and these are very violent and graphic images and you want to protect the people who don't want to see it occurring on the time line. there is a good balance struck so far and there's been an outcry from the people on twitter, especially asking people not to share the videos that they fall within the realm of isis propaganda and sharing it will help isis further their goals. >> it is something that is so hard to control once that genie is out of the bottle. gentlemen, stay here we're going to continue our live coverage of this news right after a quick break. stay with us. but then erectile dysfunction

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welcome back the world is reeling after the brutal murder apparently in a video that shows a live burning of a prisoner of isis a jordanian pilot. in jordan right now we're watching mass protests happen in the capital and here's a video from an hour ago. people gathering at the government building as they are across that country right now. i want to bring in ayman mohyeldin who knows this type of story and this part of the world well. ayman, tell me what comes next in the jordanian reaction such an important part of in equation. >> the first thing is going to be how the leadership of this country responds to the tragedy. you can see people gathering outside that building. there are some reports that there are also some similar demonstrations taking place in the capital amman. you can see a picture of the pilot and gives you a sense of how much jordan was mobilized behind this beyond r young pilot.

you saw pictures of him being posted in cities across the country and people expressed their solidarity with him and his family. this is something that has really touched the nerve of every jordanian and going to cut deep into that society. it is going to put pressure on the king to address whether or not jordan's involvement is going to be in the same way as we've seen in the past several months. jordan also keep in mind and we talk about this sometimes in a big picture, jordan was one of the first countries to come out and call for the removal of the bashar al assad from the beginning of all of the problems that happened in neighboring syria. there have been lots of questions inside jordan as to whether or not it was the right decision for the country to be involved in syria. >> and ayman, king abdullah previously on a delegation to the united states cutting that trip short and racing back home in this time of mourning. a lot of pressure on him right now. >> absolutely. >> i want to bring in michael

sheehan on the form former assistant secretary of defense, knows the pentagon piece of this well. michael, what is the likely next step for the pentagon and for the u.s. military response here? can the u.s. afford to have hostage situations like this playing out at the rate they seem to be? >> this is a good point, ronan. i think that the americans are going to continue their air campaign, no question about that. i'm sure they'll going to be looking very carefully what would happen if they had a downed pilot and how they would recuse him. we have enormous capability to do that. one of the most important impacts of isis using a kim ofcouple of persons and brutally murdering them on world media, it will intimidate the american forces and others from operating inside syria and inside the lines of isis, which is very important in order to mobilize the ground forces that take on isis.

the americans or no european country would want one of their pilots or soldiers held on media like this and burned alive. i think it does have an impact. isis knows what it's doing when it uses this graphic terrorism to try to intimidate people from operating within their space. >> you also note the relationship on the military side with jordan well. what kind of conversation happens in a crisis situation like this between jordanian and u.s. military officials? >> well first of all, they are one of our most sted fast partners in the middle east. we have a great relationship with them over many many years. we know them very well. first, of course we'll be talking about condolences for the family and pilot. but more importantly, then talking about how we can continue to work together to keep jordan in the fight. they are crucial. their location amount of forces and intelligence people that are in jordan are key for the u.s. to continue this fight. so we'll be looking to help the

jordanians with more military assistance, more security assistance to help with refugees and military get stronger and try to keep their resolve in light of this recent -- >> very important relationship part of what comes next in this fight. we appreciate it. >> coming up after this break, we'll look at the response on the hill. adam schiff is here with me as we continue our breaking coverage today. stouffer's mac and cheese with real aged cheddar now in a convenient cup. new stouffer's mac cups. made for you to love. there comes a time in everyone's life when you want more. like a new meticulously engineered german sedan. finely crafted. exactingly precise. desire for such things often outpaces one's means. until now. hey matt, new jetta? yeah. introducing lots of new.

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you are looking at images from the ground in joerd. crowds gathering in reaction to the brutal killing of the jordanian pielt apparently at the hands of sis. we've learned new information about what happened before and after this murder. apparently three prisoners were in fact scheduled to be swapped for the pilot's life. back here in the u.s. we are hearing reaction from the

leaders in congress. i'm joined by congress adam schiff of california a member of the house intelligence committee and someone who knows these matters. what was your response when you first heard this congressman? >> i was appalled. we are still trying to confirm the accuracy of this voed was made and the timing is important. if it was made as some of the jordanian publ is suggesting -- public is suggesting, quite sometime ago, that means the discussion of the hostages was useless by isil and our hearts go out to the family in jordan and the people over the anguish they are going through. >> and congressman how do you see this? the congress said this doesn't change anything.

we've told our officials to double down on the fight over isis but this must raise new doubts and fears? >> it doesn't change the calculus much for the u.s. in the sense we are committed to stopping isil this just shows how isil has nothing to offer but calculated death. but if this video is true that it will still the will of the jordanian people to take the fight to the conclusion. hard to tell at this point which way the jordanian people will be moved and a lot will depend on the king who is a skilled ruler and understands the jordanian people well but this is among the tough crisis they face. >> and king abdula was at the

white house in the u.s. and what is happening between the u.s. and jordan right now and what can inspire them to stay in the fight? >> we had a long conversation about how to fight isil and what we can do to combat this perversion of islam is standing on to help king abdula to fight and we've been trying to help jordan with a massive refugee crisis. they are dealing with refugees from the first iraq war and many of them tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands are still in jordan and you add to that many hundreds of thousands of syrian refugees and that is where the united states has been

helping as well. >> congress adam schiff it is pleasurable to get your insight, on an important day like this. and another decision facing king abdula. there is a question from jordanian authorities to execute the three prisoners that were to be swapped for that pilot with isis now that the swap is off and the murder has happened. some calling for their immediate killing. the king hasn't given his permission for that. that wraps up our rf daily. a difficult day. tough news. thanks for being here with you. time for the reid report.

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being caged and burned. the president saying isis is vicious. >> should this be valid, this shows the barbaricness of this organization and this will redouble the vigilance and the determination on the part of the coalition to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated. >> we won't show you more than a few shots like this one from the full video. jordanian state tv has confirmed the authenticity adding the hostage was killed on january 3rd, less than two weeks after he was detained. jordan was demanding proof the pilot was still