captured jordan pilot being caged and burned. the president saying isis is vicious. >> should this be valid, this shows the barbaricness of this organization and this will redouble the vigilance and the determination on the part of the coalition to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated. >> we won't show you more than a few shots like this one from the full video. jordanian state tv has confirmed the authenticity adding the hostage was killed on january 3rd, less than two weeks after he was detained. jordan was demanding proof the pilot was still alived. the news of his death comes

after the death of two hostages including the death of one over the weekend. reports that protests are underway in jordan where outraged protesters are heading for the royal court. king abdullah in washington, d.c. cut his visit short due to the pilot's death. keir simons is in jordan talk about the confirmation that the pilot has been killed? >> reporter: there was tension in jordan over what happened to their pilot. his family have been raising a deep concerns about what they feet were not enough being done to secure his release. as you mentioned, joy, now there are protests in amman, jordan. the officials there are swearing revenge for his death. and there are reports that three

prisoners who were to be -- jordan has planned to be possibly used in exchange for their pilot to be handed over to isis they have now been transferred to a prison and they may be executed tonight if king abdullah of jordan gives his permission. so there is a swift reaction. and part of that joy, is because of the real concerns about how the jordanian people will react to this how the pilot's family will react. this is a 26-year-old young man flying a jordanian f-16 over sear and he crashes over the strong hold of isis and fell into the hands of isis. there were negotiations for his police but as you mentioned state tv in jordan now saying that the execution may have taken play a month ago.

>> that would suggest that those very negotiation would never come to any positive outcome, that isis was simply not going to be able to hand over the pilot because he was already dead. the jordanians have been demanding to see proof of life of their pilot so one of the questions is what did the jordanian officials know in recent weeks while the negotiations were taking place. >> and this comes on a day when we heard from andrea mitchell that one of the things that king abdullah is discussing with the president of the united states is a marked increase for help to the jordanian government and they have tried to stoke anti-war sentiment where the hostages were taken and what is the feel among jordanians as to whether this might prompt jordan to get more involved and escalate their activity toward crisis. >> reporter: the king has cut

short his visit to the united states and head back to jordan so that shows you how they recognize how important this is. i think the horrifying nature of this killing suggests that isis is attempting to try and get as much of a reaction as it can from the jordanian people. the question is how they will react. there have been jordanians that are saying why are we involved in this fight. we shouldn't have our young men flying over iraq and syria and putting ourselves at risk, this isn't our fight but the government are saying yes, it is, and more than ever. >> it is right in their neighborhood. thank you for joining me. and now joining me is ayman mohyeldin. and you have seen the video and as have i. and there is a marked difference

just in the presentation of what we are seeing in that they are showing the killing of a hostage as opposed to before when they only showed the aftermath. talk about how that might change the policy here. >> this was by every word a gruesome video and unlike every gruesome video, this was not a beheading, it was grotesque showing the pilot being burned alive. and what is more disturbing, as we've seen in previous isis propaganda tapes, laden with messaging toward jordan and toward the jordanian king for his foreign policies in his region and his close relationship toward the united states and will try to drive the wedge that isis feels existed in the jordan population when it comes to foreign policy and the kingdom. as we heard from keir there are

growing concerns within the family members of the pilot and others particularly conservatives within the jordanian establishment as whether the foreign policy of supporting the united states and combatting isis was the right direction and you expect that debate to gain momentum. but right now the country is reeling in the aftermath of this and you are seeing people express their solidarity and seen pictures of the fighter pilot being put up on billboards around the capital and elsewhere and you will see the country come behind the king. but he does have a fine line to walk. whether he doubles down on the efforts to become part of the coalition and how much further will jordan be involved and if there are calls for ground troops and further escalation from the coalition side but jordan is facing a tremendous amount of pressure now in the wake of the killing. >> and one of the things we have seen, is this threat by the

jordanian government to execute prisoners that it has that isis may want including the failed suicide bomber that isis asked for the exchange of the pilot who was probably already deceased by the time the negotiations already began. how much pressure will be on the jordanian government to follow through on the threat and begin on the executions of the prisoners that are essentially on death row. >> from my idea of being on the ground in jordan there is no love lost for these individuals who have tried to carry out the worst attacks in jordan. they have had several massive scale suicide bombers, particularly in 2005 including this young woman that isis wanted in exchange for the pilot. you will hear them call for the execution of everybody on death

row and everybody that might have some close affiliation of with isis or off-shoots of isis including al qaeda and iraq and in particular the zarqawi tribe. i think you will hear the calls growing in the coming days and jordan in the past 42 72 hours, waiting to hear this tape might have been taped back a month ago and jordan was waiting for proof of life and a suggestion they may have known he was already killed and that is why they did not want to go ahead with the prisoner swap or this release of this convicted terrorist. >> indeed. ayman mohyeldin, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. we are awaiting a briefing from the pentagon. and right now i'm joined from lathal curry from lash partners.

how do these videos differ that don't show the act of the killing. what does it mean they are showing the alleged killing of a hostage? >> yes, joy, this is indeed a disturbing video. the message of the video is this is an eye for an eye kind of retaliation. this is showing you -- we are having you drink from the same bitter glass. there are similar video where you see the hostage in a jump suit, he is interrogated and confesses and gives information about the rest of the pilots but it is distinguished from other videos in the sense that the execution is very clear and it is in public. everybody sees it from point a to point z and the pilot ultimately -- his picture will

forever remain engraved in the hearts of the jordanian population that today is grieving over this. >> and one of the other aspects and you touched it on laith, is they show different aspects of the jordanian military the kind of aircraft and the planes they are using and pushed by the forced words of the hostages of what kind of assets they have. what kind of message is that to send to the people of jordan? >> this is a message of intimidation. this is we know your tactics, where your bases are and we know your locations and ranks of the air force officers whose names have been now distributed and to the public via this vid yo. so this is a message of intimidation who is thinking about being part of this mission

targeting over the islamic state and don't do it, back off, your fate is the fate of this jordanian pilot and this is a warning to you to not engage and just stray from targeting us. >> and laith, talk about the production values. as opposed to the al qaeda videos with a simple background. these videos are cut like a movie trailer. very sophisticated graphics and production and what did that tell intelligence officials about the group and about isis? >> indeed the video is a high-quality production which is probably why it took the group a few days to produce and release. this is assuming that the pilot was actually killed before the japanese hostage kenji goto was beheaded and released over the weekend. so it took a few days. they wanted to put out a very slick and clear message in a

video. something that will remain engraved in the hearts and minds of the jordanian population and the royal family that is at a cross roads in making a decision to continue to be part of the u.s.-led coalition or not. it is meant to humiliate the jordanian government for not meeting their demands. but the pilot could have been killed much earlyier as the jordanian government could have indicated, he could have been killed a few years ago today. and i think they took its sweet time to put the message out. >> casey anthony al cowery thank you. we'll discuss what options there are, if any, on the table when dealing with armed militants willing to kill at any cost. we'll be right back. blal

and we are continuing our breaking news coverage of the release of a new video from isis. while we are not showing more than shots like this one from the 22 minute video the contents show a jordan pilot burned alive in a cage. jordan state tv confirms the pilot's death saying it happened on january 3rd. they were negotiating a change but the government had demanded proof that the pilot was still alive. and we are awaiting a pentagon briefing coming up in 15 minutes and we'll bring that to you when it happens. i want to bring in clint van zandt, a former fbi profiler and clint i want to talk about mistakes that isis has raised by killing this hostage in the manner that they did. and the question being, is this a case where this group has now taken it one step too far, even as brutal as the previous

releases were they didn't show the actual killing of the hostages this time they did. what does that do to the stakes here? >> i think that each time they have to find some act that is more horrific more bar bearous to get media attention. they may have awakened a proverbial sleeping lion with the king of jordan. this is no man to be messed with and he has said he would execute terrorists who are in the jordanian prisons if anything happened to this pilot. so what isis has done now, they have forced the king of jordan to back off and no longer participate in a coalition or to double down and be good to his word and take some type of action. joy, the only problem that bothers me and you and the rest of the world is that by doing something and taking action against the terrorists that he has in his prison of course this forces us to commit an act

almost as barberous as we consider the acts committed by isis. and as an fbi hostage negotiator, once you have a hostage killed when you are negotiating in good faith and that hostage is killed it suggests that you are probably not going to deal with this group and you have to use force as opposed to the talking cure. >> absolutely. you had a group demanding 200$200 million from the japanese government and they were not going to get that. and they demanded money for the american and they clearly were not going to get that and negotiating over a hostage that was clearly already dead. and we'll show video of the hostage and this is the jordanian pilot in the familiar orange jump suit giving

information about the jordan military and the assets they have on the ground. how does this play with the public do you think, clint? you have now this hostage -- they are trying to show him giving up information to them. does that change the position for the people that are negotiating? >> i don't think it does. it convinces you there is no way we are going to treat isis as we have in these negotiations to have japan and jordan and isis almost sitting as equals at a table. isis has proven itself one more time that it cannot be looked at as any type of almost human organization the way this terrible, brutal act they've taken. what we have to deal with next joy, we know very well that there is also a british man being held and of course a u.s. female who was an aide worker that is being held.

isis i think is stacking these bricks up joy. and each time they are trying to find one more brutal murder that they can commit their own shock and awe to try to get the coalition forces to break down and break the glue that holds the forces and the middle east like jordan and the united states and great britain and others from fighting isis they are trying to drive a wedge between and therefore separate divide and conquer and i think it is up to the coalition forces to include jordan and the other countries that are fighting against isis to stand together in the face of something like this. if you give in to terrorism, then terrorism becomes the rule of the land and that is something that i don't think the nations of the world want. >> and indeed clint, there isn't a chance they will do precisely the opposite due to the sheer bar barrett of what they have done.

when you deal with someone that is not negotiating with someone where the hostage is gone dealing with a neilist, they have a lot more latitude of action what do you think that negotiating posture will be with the next hostage and the next one? >> well we know for example we were told last week that the coalition forces have killed at least 6,000 isis fighters. we would expect that level of activity to continue or to increase. and joy, we'll still talk. that doesn't say that you won't talk to an adversary. we know that israel trades prisoners all of the time. other countries of the world do. that is what jordan said they were willing to do. they were willing to do a prisoner swap which is not unusual. president obama did that. so it is something that is done over the world all of the time.

but what it showed is that jordan even though they stood up to isis isis was trying to be as cruel and showing how barbaric they can be that they were willing to murder this pilot for the benefit of this video as opposed to getting this female terrorist, who is imprisoned, back again. that the publicity from the brutal murder was worth more to them than getting someone out of prison that was supporting their cause. >> and that should be a message to everyone who thinks they support this group. clint van zandt, thank you. and we're following the breaking news and bring you updates as they come in. and coming up we'll talk to senator engel, ranking member of the house foreign committee when we come back. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping.

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and we are back with more on our breaking news regarding a new video from the terrorist group isis which shows a jordanian pilot held hostage since december as he is caged and burned alive. the jordanian television has confirmed that the hostage was killed on january 3rd. the pilot was captured on december 24th and was the subject of recent negotiations between the jordanian government and the terrorist group. but jordan was demanding group of live and it appears that could never have happened. the president said this was one more indication of the viciousness of isis. >> it also just indicates the degree to which whatever

ideology they are operating off of it is bankrupt. we're here to talk about how to make people healthier and make their lives better and this organization appears only interested in death and destruction. >> new york democrat congressman eliot engel, when these things happen around the world and you see this brutality and add in the fact there have previously been american hostages held by isis does the pressure mount by the united states to get more militarily involved in the conflict with isis? >> well i think that most members of congress understand that isis needs to be confronted and destroyed. i think that the brutality of what we just saw, burning somebody alive, burning a fellow muslim a fellow arab alive, it

shows you that the people of isis if you can call them people are morally bankrupt. they are brutal thugs and killers, terrorists and murderers and i think that people here realize that. there is debate on capitol hill about how much the united states should get involved. i think after iraq there is not much stomach for an all-out ground war involving u.s. troops but there are many things we can do, some of which the president has been doing with the airstrikes and the drones and there are other things that we can do. but i think it shows that the one thing we cannot do is do nothing. >> indeed. and we are seeing congressman, a marked increase in the amount of aid going to jordan and the amount of military aid to that country in terms of financial aid. but is there going to be pressure? because, as you said there is no stomach in this country for more involvement in the middle east on the level of what we did in iraq.

at the same time with a group that is not only completely brutal and vicious, but that also has military capability. do you wind up in a situation where the u.s. has the only military capable of potentially going in and really drawing down and degrading this group and that airstrikes and drones wind up being not enough? >> i think that we have to have a coalition. this can't be the united states alone. there needs to be a coalition and we need to have involved as we are attempting to do now, middle eastern countries and arab countries as an important part of the coalition. and as you see the horrific killing of the jordanian pilot, it is just horrific. and i think that the people of the world, it doesn't matter where they are from understand that this is a group that shows -- that shows this is a group that is just vicious. jordan of course is in a very

pivotal area. it is very very close and we have a close relationship with the king of jordan and with the government of jordan. they are an ally in the coalition and the united states should offer whatever assistance we can as we have been to that beleaguered country. we have a million or perhaps more of refugees and they have born the brunt of a lot of this and i think the king deserves a lot of credit for working hard to be a part of the coalition. but we're going to have to give this a very very close look whether it would involve no-fly zones or other things we may have to do. i think all bets are off. i think this is very serious and i think that waiting only makes the situation worse. i thought two years ago or three years ago we should have been aiding the free syrian army giving them the weapons to be able to fight for freedom in syria. we didn't do it and

unfortunately isis moved into the void. i think now isis has to be stopped at all costs and i think that, again, we can't do it alone and can't have a ground invasion like in iraq but there are things we can do and we need to do it with the partners in the region. >> thank you for being here. congressman elliott ingel. i want to show you images outside of amman, jordan. and this is the first visceral reaction to the death of one of their countryman and jordan's king hussein is returning to jordan and cutting short his visit to the united states and what the united states will do to assist. let's go to chris jansing joining me live from washington. and you do see the united states offering increased aid to jordan and you see king abdullah heading back home and this is a

crisis for him. does the white house have confidence in our allies in the middle east and in the saudis and the other countries in the region and to step forward and go after isis in a fullsome way. >> and this is something we appreciated josh earnest on at the -- pushed josh earnest on at the briefing just a short time ago. i don't think anybody sees what is happening and the latest bear barrett that happened in this video and this is going to require diplomatic skills and a lot of conversation and we don't know whether the president has been in touch with king abdullah who was here today. he is a frequent visitor. he met at the president at the end of last year and had a luncheon scheduled today with

vice president joe biden and supposed to be at a prayer breakfast here on thursday in washington, d.c. and as you mentioned, a lot of aid goes to jordan and they have been a member of this coalition. most significantly in terms of intelligence, they believe that their intelligence on isis is second to none. of course sharing a border there are syria. and so this is a very difficult challenge, but the white house, at least in the public forum, believes this will not, in fact hurt the coalition, but all you have to do is watch the videos to understand they will embolden and the president told savagea guthrie over the weekend and said that is the impact it had on him. >> thank you. and we are awaiting a pentagon briefing that will start any minute now and is expected to address the breaking news we've been covering for you this afternoon. a jordanian hostage killed in the most gruesome fashion by

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showing you live pictures -- well we're not going to show you the live pictures but a meeting has begun or on its way of wrapping up on capitol hill between king abdullah of jordan and members of the senator foreign relations meeting and the king abdullah cutting the meeting short to go back to jordan after a newly releasing video showing a jordanian pilot caged and burned alive, perhaps the most gruesome video shown by isis. and with me a former member of british militia forces who will show how isis creates these

videos while under threat by the west. >> what is incredible is how they can continue under threat. now if we take a look at the map. this is syria and to the north we have turkey which you have heard about the flow of jihadist into the region. and down here we have iraq and then jordan israel and lebanon, taking a huge brunt of the humanitarian crisis going on at the moment. what is critical is there are a number of components and forces on the ground operating inside of syria. it is not just isis. so let's take a quick look at them. the big swath in the middle this is where the jihadist groups are operating. this is jihadist group that has come more back from iraq and then we have the significance.

they are the main swath down syria at the moment. in the middle we have al-raqua. and then on the left we haval epe alal -- allepo and then the main airport hub which is key to maintaining this part of syria. now who are the opponents to isis within syria at the moment. let's talk about kobani first. kobani has been over run by the ypg, the syrian kurds and they lie in this region. now assad has an informal agreement with the syrian kurds and has left them alone to fight their own battles. they have pushed out kobani at the moment.

outside here we have the shia following there and then tartars which is the russian naval base and then latiqua and critical that assad holds that part of the world to maintain power. now you may have heard of hezbollah, they are the iranian by proxy forces who are in cahoots with the assad forces fighting against isis at the moment. what does this mean? this is a complicated ground picture but when it comes to talking about arming the rebels this is what we mean. if we are going to arm the rebels, which are historically the free syrian army possibly the kurds, it is not just isis that they are fighting. they are fighting jibad, and assad's forces and hezbollah, all four of these incredibly

strong and potent groups that make this job very very difficult. joy. >> and so michael, when you look at that complicated picture, just put on your intelligence officer hat for a moment. is it possible for the western governments in alliance with countries like jordan to fight these isis militants, who are people with sophisticated military training and the ability to operate relatively freely, can it be done without allying with the hated assad government? >> it is the million dollar question. i think we have to look at this in terms of a short-term and a long-term strategy. the military airstrikes along with the association of the syrian kurds have been -- have been short-term effective. and if you have seen pictures of kobani it is a hell hole and to

return it will take years. and in short-term when you are looking to arm rebels and identify a proxy force, the problem is loyalties. how do you guarantee the loyalty to the political movement that takes over from assad and that is the key bit. if assad goes what is the alternative politically who are the commit forces that will align themselves to the new political movement and without the long-term perspective it is hard to shape the short-term. >> and then michael, the million dollar question for people in the west people in britain and the united states, do you rely on the one force, who know who they are fighting for and that is down to the united states and britain being the calvary to go in and clean this mess up and what americans and people in the west want is isis done. >> i couldn't agree with you

more. but there are problems with that. but we have invested in the free syrian army is this umbrella name for a myriad of groups. there is supply 1200 groups in syrian and there are a lot. it is hard to establish what the loyalties are. a couple of months back up in this region here which is right on the border with turkey there were reports that jab add nuz raw has taken the military and started to use it against the forces in the area like the ypg. so how do you guarantee the effectiveness of the forces in the area and it is much broughter. any cracks in the political aspects, they flow down. anything to do with the social economics, they effect it. the air power and ground

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i do want to take you to pentagon where general admiral kirby will answer questions focusing on the new video release, isis executing a jordanian hostage. >> reflecting the secretary's reviews, it is another example of how barbarous this group is and how serious we need to take them and we will. and you know there is a long concerted effort over the last seven months to degrade and destroy their capabilities. nothing will slow down about that. we'll continue to put as much pressure on them as possible with our partners in iraq and in syria. >> i guess my question is was that just sort of a reaction to what happened or are there actual plans in the works to double down the u.s. military efforts against isil? >> we don't talk about future

plans and operations. i'll tell you we'll remain committed to this as we have been and there is not any loss of focus. in fact, an event like this only sharpens the focus and makes it that much more important for us to proceed. >> admire general, lieutenant general vincent stewart was on capitol hill for his confirmation -- at a hearing today and said that given the percentage of recidivism among gitmo detainees that one of the taliban five released for bowe bergdahl would return to the fight and d.i.a. could not do anything to trace them once the one year is up in terms of qatar watching them for one year he said it seems to stand in contrast in terms of the ability to mitigate the risk that these released prisoners pose after the one year mark in may ends in

qatar if they decide to leave for afghanistan and return to the fight. how do you reconcile that? >> well i didn't see the general's comments but let's take that at face value. i still stand by what i said up here before. and so let's look at this factually right now because it is very difficult to predict the future. all five remain in qatar. all five are being monitored. there are security assurances that we have from the government of qatar and the secretary is comfortable those assurances are being met and followed. it was the fact that they existed at all and there was a monitoring program in place that allowed us to know about this individual's reengagement and i can't get into the character of the reengagement and we knew about it and were able to have a dialogue with the government in qatar because it worked. and so again i would repeat what i said last week that we are

comfortable that going forward, through these measures, we're going to be able to more closely monitor them and we'll continue to work with partners not just in qatar but in the region to try to mitigate the threat that any returned detainee could possibly potential. not just to the american interest but to the partners in the region. >> do you think that could continue after may? >> the other thing i would say, because i think you're going is what happens if they go back to afghanistan? i think secretary hagel said this very well in the armed services testimony when we discussed the bergdahl testimony is they return to the battlefield at their own peril. if they choose to do that we have the ability to protect our troops and we will and the afghan national security forces are far more competent than they

were a year ago and will defend their citizens. >> they said the d.i.a. was not consulted before the swap of the prisoners. why weren't they consulted? >> i would have to get back to you on that jen? i'm sure the general was speaking honestly and truthfully i'll have to get back to you on that. i'll come back to you on that jimmy. >> after the jordanian pilot, how will the coalitions respond to the killing and to the killing of other hostages? >> we haven't made it -- i can only speak for the united states military. we haven't made it a point to respond directly to these killings. even when these were -- when the american citizens were killed. what we have done and we'll continue to do is degrade and

destroy their capabilities and continue to put them on the defensive in which they still remain today. so there is -- i wouldn't -- at least from an american military perspective i wouldn't look at this it is not hit for tat. and we are at war with iraq and growing opposition in syria. nothing will change about that joe. nobody is letting off the gas. we'll continue to put pressure on isil regardless of the barbaric acts. but the acts bring into stark relief how despicable these people are and how little -- the contempt they have for life and how little they care. i don't need to remind you that this pilot was himself a muslim. so it does bring into stark

relief the seriousness of the threat. but these brutal murders -- i can't -- there is no way i could, possibly figure out how to justify it in your brain because it is so twisted. but it certainly isn't -- these aren't the acts of a winner. and they are not winning. james. >> you mentioned in the strike on somalia that it demonstrated the long reach of u.s. counter-terrorism efforts. is that in any way availed or not an availed warning to isil? >> there is no veil put upon the warning to isil. we have been nothing but clear and transparent about the degree of which we take this threat seriously and that we'll work to eradicate it. >> you mentioned the brutality and the barbaric nature of this act, do you think that could

backfire against them in terms of creating more home-grown capability to go against them? >> backfire in terms of hurting their recruiting efforts? it is hard to say. i do think an act like this as all of their murderous acts have been, they are certainly not the behavior of as i said a winner. and they are certainly not, in our view going to further advance any success by them. i do think that this will be a setback eventually. now will it possibly attract some young disenfranchised young men to the cause? it very well might. and i think they believe there is propaganda value. obviously they think there is propaganda value, and in video

taping it and posting it online. but in the end it shows the utter corruption and the debasement of who they are as an organization. and yes, it will -- i think that at least regionally it will backfire on them. >> admiral, since the capture of lieutenant cass as bay, did you make any effort to try and release him and second question do you have any concerns that the killing of the pilot will have any negative implications on the popular support for the war -- >> popular support here in the united states? >> and in the region and in jordan and do you still have the commitment of the jordanian government to be part of the coalition against isil? >> well i won't speak for the jordanian government? >> did you receive any commitment? >> since this video, none