the race over the 2016 white house. >> politicians are afraid to offend everybody, so they are afraid to say anything. >> i have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who have wound up with profound mental disorders. >> counties in california have lower immunization rates than the sudan and chad. this is something that is of concern. >> i've been fearful that we were going to get just this kind of an outbreak. >> the science could not be more clear. this is a public health issue. one day after governor chris christie said parents should have a choice in vaccinateing their children and rand paul said vaccines can lead to profound mental disorders,

backlashers are in full swing. this was fox news last night. >> my take is that every school district in the country should require immunization for measles. if you don't have it your child can't go period. do you oppose mandatory vaccinations for the children? >> no. on the record i have three children under the age of six. i have vaccinated all of them. this is a big issue for these politicians going forward because this is about big brother. >> you nonvaccinators, you are science deniers. that's it. >> it is not every day you get fox news to side with big brother. republicans in congress lined up today to side with science. >> well i don't know that we need another law, but i do believe all children ought to be vaccinated. >> vaccinating politics injected into 2016 measles outbreak

infects politics and debate. this is far too serious an issue to be treated as a political football. people still die from measles. >> i believe that all children as is the law in most states in this country, before they can attend school have to be vaccinated for a certain panel. there is no medical science or data whatsoever that links those vaccinations to onset of autism or anything of that nature. >> that was not all. dr. ben carson a man who has compared the u.s. to nazi germany and who has said the affordable care act is the worst thing since slavery, even he says people should not be allowed to refuse vaccines on philosophical or religious grounds. joining me now is dr. kent and tim paulenti.

there's been a lot of statements today by folks on the republican side of the aisle. what do you think of the comments made yesterday by governor christie and senator paul? >> i don't think there's any really serious debate here alex, with all due respect. i know it makes for good television, but there's no real debate here. this issue has been decided. >> i don't know that it is settled debate. 19 states in this country allow philosophical objections. do you think that's a good idea or a bad idea? >> if there is an established panel of vaccines that are available and can prevent disease and the spread of disease and contagious diseases and there's no side effects, the vaccines should be required. if there's any exemption it should be for a very limited

religious exemption. this idea of exemption for philosophical grounds is necessary and it goes too far. >> are there grounds to have philosophical objections and religious objections to vaccines? >> absolutely not. people will always try to find a loophole, but i think the science has been very clear for a very long time. the republicans who are being quite sensible about this most of them are going to fall short, is the notion of a mandated law around it. even speaker boehner was hesitant to go with a law. >> the other thing about this debate is it is not a red state/blue state issue. two of the states with no mandates are mississippi and

west virginia. a lot of the folks that think autism come from far left hippy, natural medicine to put it bluntly. do you think -- and yet the folks who have come out and sort of given voice to the anti-vaccines are from the right side of the aisle. i wonder how you see the libertarian fringe coinciding with the far left fringe. >> i think vaccinations the ones that have been proven and the type that we're talking about here should be required. this is an issue where some of the public attention has been paid to the far right, but there's a civil libertarian left on this as well. again, i think those are the unusual example, the exception. the vast majority of both

parties support vakccinations at a required level. >> he makes the point about personal responsibility. it's sort of up to parental choice. people need to make the choice about whether this is the right decision for them and their family. there's some if you have wacky beliefs about this, but you live in a society where vaccination is pervasive, you'll be fined because of heard immunity. you can have your beliefs and be safe because you are riding free on the rest of the community's responsible behavior. >> that's a correct response. the responsibility is not making someone else responsible for your kids' health. where libertarianism falls apart is it doesn't work in the

context of public health or contagious diseases where i do does effect you and what you do does effect me. the arcadia of the masculine man john wayne guy hanging out, living in a log cabin, that falls apart when you get around the reality that we live near each other and we can spread stuff. >> and we are only as safe and as healthy of our weakest member. >> we are stuck with each other. it is like having a bad roommate. >> having had bad roommates, i can tell you. >> there is an attractiveness there, but there is just no way around it. we are stuck with each other. that's a fundamental premise of living in a society and that's that. >> i think a lot of folks were reassured that folks like mitch mcconnell who came out and said as a victim of polio myself i'm a big fan of vaccinations,

there's been pretty broad agreement in establishment republican circles that vaccinations are a good idea. in many cases, these folks are citing scientific fact. the republican party has been lately a party that doesn't like getting into science too much on big issues whether it is ebola and the president's lack of a travel ban or global warming and climate change where the refrain is i'm not a scientist, but therefore -- does that distress you, the sort of opposition? the increasing republican opposition to accepting scientific fact. >> there is an appropriate role for government particularly in the areas of health, safety and welfare. that is the rationale for these vaccinations. on the issue of science, let's

make sure that we follow the facts. let's make sure we follow the evidence. just because somebody is labeled a scientist, doesn't make he or she credible. they used to do lobotomies. >> we're talking about something in which 90% of climate scientists agree. the broad majority of scientists agree that vaccinations are a good idea. >> let's look at climate change. of course, the climate is changing and the question is what to do about it. if you look at the united states reduction in green gas emissions, it has been quite promising. for example, the cap and trade scheme in europe. yes, the climate is changing. we can argue about what to do about it but i don't think you can see the republicans are anti-science. why don't we say the democrats are the liberals that won't call

isis a version of radical islamzslamislam. >> the democratic president is getting together -- has a coalition of nations that's fighting isis in an air war. >> no i'm talking about whether you're willing to speak the truth about what that threat really is and being unwilling to call it or name it radical islam. you have elements of denying reality in both parties. >> to the science, right "the new york times," went in yesterday and sort of explained the study that a lot of folks have cited, maybe not publicly but the anti-vaccination community has cited. this study is from 1998 that has been completely discredited. >> formally retracted, which is

a very thing for a medical journal to do. >> and called fraudulent. there are similar climate change studies by folks who have been found to be fraudulent. it doesn't matter about what happens after the fact. once this research gets into the ground water, it seems almost im impossible to get out. >> that's the sad truth. even though that's a discredited study and it was a study in 12 children with intestinal problems, somehow that became a spring board for scientific reality embracing the notion that there was a connection, even know that was never there. before that study, there were people very uncomfortable with vaccine vaccines going back decades. >> there are historical cartoons of people. >> we use that 1998 study to

date the debate about this but it was long-standing before this. it catalyzed it, but it did not create the sentiment after all. >> obviously the study and the effects, parents, i'm sure became concerned of what might have caused autism in their children. the fact that misinformation got into the stream and then got multiplied it is hard to put the tooth paste back in the tooth. beliefs can be corrected and improved. >> that's why it's great there are people in public office that are saying vaccinations are important, right? >> that's right. >> thank you both for your time. after the break, jordan's king abdue la is ending his u.s. trip early after the video of

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in a new show of brutality, isis has released a video today that purports to show a captive jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage. nbc news anlalysts says it is

from isis. jordan had been demanding proof that the pilot was alive in order to go forward with a possible swap of three death row inmates. jordanian tv reports that the captive pilot was killed nearly a month ago on january 3rd and a jordanian official has confirmed that report but the u.s. has not. jordan's king abdullah is cutting his trip short in the u.s. jordan is a key ally of the u.s. in the region and particularly in the coalition against isis. president obama said the video, if authentic, is a reminder of the kind of terrorism we are taking on. >> should this video be authentic authentic, it is one more indication of the viciousness

and barbarity of this organization and i think it will redouble the vigilance of a global coalition to make sure they are degraded and ultimately defeated. joining me now is aman mohadean and brian katulis. aman a >> how do you read isis' intent? >> i think their objective in doing this is to send a message to those who are fighting it that it has the ability to

inflict inflict this kind of loss to these countries that are participating. that means their involvement in this coalition against isis -- i can't even begin to answer that question. there are so many calculations. to be quite honest it is hard to know unless you know the inner decision making capabilities of isis and what they were doing at that time. if you look at the sequence of events, there was discrepancy as to how this unfolded. they put out video of the japanese hostage saying they would release him if this person was released by the jordanians. they countered with if you release our pilot, we would be

willing to release this terrorist that we have in our custody. the jordanians were very clear. they made very clear early on they want to release her for this pilot and the japanese hostage, but they insisted on a proof of life. they never got that proof of life. >> because he wasn't alive. >> that's a key indication as to why those negotiations never really materialized. >> brian, you are in tel aviv at this point. in terms of how this affects the jordanians, the public reaction to this, we know that isis has had almost a chilling effect on recruitment in jordan because of the brutality of their tactics. what do you think this does given the graphic nature of this man's purported execution? >> i suspect it will further make jordan stronger in this fight against isis. we saw this ten years ago when a suicide bomber killed nearly 60

jordanians, including at a wedding party in hotels. it led to an outcry against these militants. i expect you're going to see the same sort of thing. for these people who say where are those moderate muslims standing up? jordan is one of them. i think it is no mystery as to why isis actually drew this out over the last couple of weeks. they are diabolical in their use of media and the release of videos at particular moments. they beheaded u.s. journalists at a time when the president of the united states was going to a major summit with nato to talk about building an isil coalition. they're also capable of being defeated if countries like jordan and japan increase their support in this campaign to defeat them. >> let me push back on that for

a second because "the washington post" was reporting there were anti-war protests that jordan should pull out of the coalition. do you think that is trumped in a moment like this? >> i think so. look, i saw those protests. i used to live in jordan. there are sensitivities here i think, including some of the members of the pilot's tribe were concerned about how this was being handled. but when something like this horrific happens, there is going to be a pushback. i think a moment like this will be quite similar to what we saw in those hotel bombings ten years ago. the trick here is for the coalition to not be distracted and not to simply move on from this incident. we need to think of how to we defeat this group militarily and

in the air waves as well. >> what does defeating isis looks like? isis may not care about winning, what that sort of means to us in the west. the violence is the point and the worse the better. the fact they were able to do this and send the global community into outrage the whole point, right? >> they definitely want to drag the region into this perpetual state of war, state of conflict they want to divide countries and regions along sectarian lines. everything out of their messaging shows this is stated goal of isis. they are happy having this state of conflict perpetuated. >> in terms of the u.s.'s appetite in authorization of the use of force, i wonder how you

think this plays with the american public seeing another person executed in such a barbaric fashion. >> you have the administration taking action first in iraq and then in syria with air strikes largely. without a sufficient framework here. i think the american public will be outraged but that will be tempered by this sense of caution, caution that's born out of more than a decade of iraq and afghanistan and trillions of dollars. the obama administration has the right approach in concept. it looks slightly stronger in iraq. in syria, it's still kind of a mess. if we want to be serious and if the president wants to be serious about degrading isis we

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hillary may finally be ready for hillary. the likelihood of hillary's 2016 run went to 100% right after christmas. the latest news today is that clinton is ditching the middle-class new york suburb of white plains as a campaign base and is instead eyeing new york city has a campaign headquarters. full disclosure, i live in brooklyn and feel youthful most days. clinton's desire to reach a younger electorate and fend off attacks that she's a candidate from yesteryear that came the same day she played the grandma

card. there's a grandma card that people play. grandmother's know best in tweet smacking down chris christie and rand paul for their stance on vaccinations. which joining me now is glen thrush and david corn. okay, glen i know you're going to have thoughts on brooklyn. hash tag grandmothers know best is this a good idea or a bad idea for hillary clinton? >> all the hoodies and lemonade is not going to turn her into a 20-year-old hipster. look, this is a huge part of her appeal. she has the run in the midwest.

she really is from chicago. we have ascertained that. i think essentially this is who she is. she has to own it. i don't think necessarily the move to brooklyn or queens is so much to demonstrate youth as it is to make people want to work for her. >> because those are both places are human beings live. >> whoa, alex. you may not know this. i grew up in white plains new york and hillary clinton is now dead to me. she is dead to me now, okay? >> there's a headline. david corn says hillary is dead to me because she's not to headquarter her campaign in white plains. >> she's going to lose the crucial white plains vote. >> i knew this was going to devolve into a question about new york real estate. before we get there, david, i do think a huge knock on hillary is

that she's too old to campaign, right? marco rubio calls her a 20th century candidate. mitch mcconnell compared her to a cast member from "the golden girls." is she going to wear the grandmother thing as a badge of honor and can she complain about people bringing up her age when she is hash tagging it? >> if you're going to be a grandmother, you may as well be a hip grandmother. >> right. >> do it in brooklyn. do it in queens. go to williamsburg and have at it. she is a grandmother. we get wall to wall coverage of what happened with chelsea's birth of her daughter. every candidate is of a certain age has this from reagan to

mccain. to me the interesting thing is the last three guys who happened to be elected president are kind of on the younger side. >> mitt romney is the same age as hillary clinton. did anyone know that? >> he wasn't elected. it remains to be seen whether anyone male or female can be elected who is not able to go onto a basketball court and put up jump shots. >> mitt romney was a grand father the same age as hillary clinton who is a grandmother, and yet she is called out on her age because women and ageing is a different -- whole pandora's box. glen there is a debate between queens and brooklyn. a pbs political director says he is a biassed queens kid, but hillary should pick queens over

brooklyn. it is the school of hard knocks. it is the most diverse county in the u.s. and there is no quote, hipster problem. the point is glen beyond the staffing issue, i feel like some part of this is also optics. do you disagree? >> corn is resentful because they just got indoor plumbing up there. >> in white plains? running water just came to white blaine plains? >> i agree. i think queens would be a much better choice. the diversity thing is huge. queens is a lot closer to the airports, and also it is a little bit off the beaten trail. having covered her in 2008 when her offices were near the center of washington, d.c., it was

leakier. reporters were showing up there. >> she won't pay for a taxi is that what you're saying, glen? >> sometimes with you guys you have to ask permission. for some people new york city is that new yorker cover. there's botox and hip hop. it is this kind of very elite liberal liberal bastion. >> i think you would be hard pressed to find three voters in america who will vote for her or against her because of where her campaign is based. i don't think the optics matters here. the only thing that matters is she can run a legitimate

campaign. last time around she showed she couldn't do a good job of managing a campaign. putting it in queens up in connecticut, it doesn't matter. if it makes it easier to run the campaign and have people there who she needs to do a good job, that's all that matters in terms of the location here. i don't think it sends any message that anyone is paying attention to. >> the fact that "politico" is reporting on staffing hires, the clinton team tissue-- they are probation reporting on when she is going to announce her candidacy. what do you make of that? is that evidence she's going to be more of a disciplined campaigner? >> no absolutely not. >> that was a rhetorical question. continue on, my friend. >> i was talking to somebody who is in one of her many concentric

circles. they were telling me they have identified three separate factions already. this is prior to the announcement of the accountcandidacy. the thing about it is there's layers upon layers. i don't think they can avoid that she has so much history and so many different generations of advisers. i think it is the cost of doing business with her. you're going to have a lot of leaks. you're going to have a lot of factions. >> but she has to figure out how to handle that or somebody who can handle that. the great thing about the obama 2008 campaign was there was a small group of people at the top who shared a strategy. if she can't get close to that we're going to have the same problem she had back then. >> let me just say just because you started out in white plains doesn't mean you can't go

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harper lee, the reclusive author of "to kill a mocking bird," will publish her second novel this summer. the story "go set a watchman" takes place in the same town set 20 years after "to kill a mock mocking mockingbird." she thought it was lost last year when her lawyer found it. the 1962 film won three academy

awards. despite that success, lee never published another book and has granted few requests for public interviews. joining me now is richard wolf. i heard this news. i'm thrilled as anyone who has ever read "to kill a mockingbird." the circumstances under which this is being released seem a little bit questionable. her long-time lawyer and sister passed away and all of a sudden the book is coming out. >> physically frail, suffered a stroke to all intents and purposes essentially blind and deaf. you have to question someone who has defined the word reclusive why she would put out such a lengthy statement today and was

she aware of everything that she agreed to. she's been so clear so long saying more than one novel was enough. don't like the fame don't like the spotlight, please world go away, i have nothing more. the littererary quality of what we're looking at here is extraordinary. >> that's the question. >> is this old woman making decisions for herself? >> does that trump the author's wishes? the issue is does it matter what harper lee wants. >> as an individual matter, of course it matters. when they die, their wishes are no longer respected.

everything they wrote before is vastly more valuable than when they were alive. the mystery for the novel, and i'm rereading it now with my young children is the question of voice. it is written from the perspective of a young girl. >> right. >> but it is written with a language of an older woman. >> right. >> the language is very sophisticated. it is not to say that scout wouldn't have talked like that but girls of that age don't talk like that. another novel written from a grownup scout, it opens up a world of possibilities that can reframe how we understand "to kill a mockingbird." is it something harper lee

wants? >> and citizens of humanity? the themes of "to kill a mockingbird" are as relevant today than they were a century ago. it is a debate that's happening in american society. >> the "n" word is every other page. how do you explain that? how do you explain the perspective? we talk about civil rights throughout our coverage but those issues -- is the justice system working today? they are very relevant to book as they are now. >> always good to see you. be sure to catch "the book report" on shift. coming up the mayor versus the ground hog. hear what both sides are saying today after that headline making bite coming up next.

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he says that he didn't see his shadow and so -- thank you. it'll be an early spring. >> the mayor of sun prairie, wisconsin, learned a valuable lesson yesterday. don't let ground hogs whisper in your ear. jimmy jumped up and bit the mayor's ear. now jimmy is speaking out. in an exclusive statement to this show the ground hog said, i was trying to give the mayor the prediction that he asked for but he misheard the forecast. i had to get in his ear and make sure he heard me correctly. i feel bad about my actions, but

hopefully there are no hard feelings. hey, it could have been worse. joining me now is the mayor of sun prairie, wisconsin. how is your ear, before we get into anything else? >> it is just fine and we're glad that jimmy has called for an early spring. he certainly was chomping at the bit to tell me about the early spring yesterday. >> he's saying -- jimmy is saying something else in this statement. he said that you said spring is right around the corner but he's saying there's going to be six more weeks of winter. there seems to be a discrepancy as to what the actual forecast is. >> perhaps. only the mayor of sun prairie can interpret groundhogese but

we're going with early spring. >> the controversy just keeps layering on in this case. we go to groundhogs every february 2nd. if you look at their prediction according to noaa punxsutawney phil who is our local groundhog, his prediction is right only 44% of the time. why even go to the groundhog at this point? >> our bet is on the groundhog. he's been right in sun prairie eight out of the last ten years. he has a better record than punxsutawney phil. >> are there going to be ear muffs next year? >> i'm not sure about ear muffs. certainly the weather was below zero yesterday. that might have worked out well, but probably not. we'll make sure he keeps a

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