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hello, everybody. i'm joy reid and we begin this wednesday's "the reid report" of the dash cam and the attempt to find more survivors. this shows the final moments after this plane veered hard to the left and clipped a highway before plunging into a video below. this shows the wreckage being pulled from the river a few hours ago. a total of 58 passengers and crew were on board. emergency teams quickly arrived at the scene and pulled some passengers an crew from the partially submerged fuselage. so far 26 people have been confirmed dead and 17 people are unaccounted for. lucy watson from itn has the latest from beijing. >> the final moments of a plane out of control. a terrifying sight captured by a
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dashboard camera from this car and the one in front as the aircraft hurdled towards them. a pathway of destruction lies in its wake. a taxi devastated by the wing yet the driver miraculously survived. debris litters the highway where it plunged into the river. with 58 people on board. so rescuers responded quickly. a young child bundled into a boat and taken ashore to safety. bewildered, yet alive. but with no sign of his parents. >> translator: there are adults having to take care of toddlers but they are safe. children have been rescued from the plane already. we have gotten them out of the river. >> reporter: survivors stood in shallow waters as others
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scrambled to safety unscathed. the army helping it injured. but tonight as the search for the missing goes on the wreckage emerged. the aftermath of a journey that lasted just three minutes in the sky. lucy watson itv news, beijing. >> that was lucy watson reporting. and coming up we'll talk to a commercial pilot who used to teach people how to fly and we'll get his expert analysis on what might have happened in the cockpit in the moments leading up to the crash. this afternoon we are learning more about the deadly accident in the history of the new york metro-north railroad. a commuter train that carries hundreds of thousands of passengers in and out of manhattan to work every day. this video shows plumes of billowing smoke moments after a stunning collision between a passenger train and suv stopped on the tracks. the accident happened north of
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new york city in valhalla. six people were killed and including five men who were passengers on the strain and the woman driving that suv. at least 15 people are being treated for injuries at area hospitals. this animation shows the moments before the train collided with the jeep cherokee stopped on the tracks. so here is what we know. after the driver drove on to the railroad crossing the gates came down and dinged her car. she got out and looked for damage and got back in and tried to drive off when the train drove into her suv. today they are reviewing event recorders. investigators say there are no hard facts to report just yet but one new york official indicated today he believes the accident was not the result of mechanical failure. >> all indications from the mta
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at least was that it was not a problem with the tracks or anything it was unfortunately human error. but that is part of the investigation. >> nbc's adam rooes joins me live from the accident in valhalla new york. >> reporter: joy, good afternoon. investigators from the ntsb are here on the site and inside of the train and taking measurement measurements and looking to find out what happened and why. as you said some dead and 15 people injured and many seriously. as you said the car was on the tracks at the intersection. she stopped and got out to try to lift up the gate and she got back into the car when she tried to drive off and that is when the train slammed into her and pushing her car more than 400 feet into the tracks and her car is still embedded into the train. the third rail went into the front car and ignited a fire and
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smoke. passengers jumped out of the windows to escape and here is what one of them had to say. >> people were screaming and crying. i'm -- there is no words to describe how surreal it is to be talking to you guys right now because i didn't -- if i didn't act quickly, i wouldn't be here. >> reporter: now investigators -- go ahead. >> so adam -- i was going to ask you, in terms of the investigation, do we know conditions of additional passengers on board of that train? >> reporter: there are several at the hospital. one is in critical one is in serious and the rest are in stable. i was going to say, that investigators want to talk to the conductor. they are going to look for video that may have been taken. they want to talk to eyewitnesses and of course they want to look at the recorders on the train at the time. joy. >> msnbc adam reese, thank you.
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the governor of jordan promised ref enk for the execution of their pilot and they made good on that threat. this morning they hanged two prisoners with ties to isis. a man and woman as payback for the video taped execution of the pilot as he stood in a cajun able to escape the flames. he was captured last december while flying over syria as part of the u.s.-led attacks. outrage forced king abdullah ii to cut his mission to the u.s. short and today he returned home to crowds demanding vengence and with a government spokesperson saying regarding isis this evil can and should be defeated. ayman mohyelding is with me here now. and let's talk about the pressure on king jordan from his population to do more.
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will the execution mullfy the pressure or will there be more pressure on the king? >> well there will be more pressure on the king from those that want to see revenge for what happened to this jordanian pilot and we saw that in the past 24 hours with the demonstrations taking to the streets demanding retribution. the jordanian king will find himself limited in what he can do. in the past 24 hours, the skegusion of the two associates of al qaeda, these convicted terrorists, will help address some of those demands from the crowds within jordan. there are other high-profile people they have in custody, we could see if they act on those people. but in terms of fighting isis the jordanian government might be limited. they are a member of the u.s.-led coalition and has not backed down from the airstrikes and there seems to be a doubling down in that effort by the jordanian public which has
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publicly stated they will continue with the operations as much as they can. some have been calling for the u.s. to try to lead more in the sense that it can take the gloves off and let the arab countries do more. i'm not sure at this particular stage what arab countries can do besides participate in this ongoing air coalition. >> and can you tell us more about the two people who were executed by the jordanian government. >> yes. in fact al rishawi, the woman on the screen she was part of a cell that carried out suicide bombing in 2005 that targeted several hotels that killed several people and her suicide bomb vest did not go off and she was executed. and al karbouli was connected to
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a precursy to isis and considered al dark owy and he was executed this morning. >> thank you very much. and in today's nomination for ashton carter the choice to succeed chuck hagel for secretary of defense and he laid out what he thought was the right way to defeat the group and to make sure our allies join in the battle rather than leave it to the u.s. >> we have to have regional partners because we have to make sure the defeat inflicted upon isil is a lasting defeat. >> jim mickel chef ski is following up on that. jim, let's talk about the focus on what the u.s. will do versus isis and our allies and how did
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that play out today? >> well ashton carter laid out how to defeat isis first in iraq and then ultimately in northern syria. by plussing up arming and training and advising the iraqi military and training an army some of the moderate rebels in syria. but that brought out the only real contentious moment of the entire hearing when john mccain, the republican chairman now of the senate armed service committee sat quietly through the hearing until the end of the first session. he kept hearing time and time again aroundton carter repeat that strategy until he sort of blew up for john mccain. and in ard to syria -- in regard to syria, he said training those rebels to be barrel bombed against assad goes against everything we stand for. and turning to the strategy in
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iraq where the u.s. is essentially fighting the same isis enemy -- not right alongside, but along with iranian military he said there that the strategy of the u.s. and iran together that that -- he said that strategy is -- indicates theiddy ossy of cooperating with iran is nonsense and immorale to which aroundton carter sat silent. the only new thing he tashed about is -- he talked about is if he was confirmed as secretary of defense he would be inclined to providing heavy weapons to the ukrainians against those russian separatists, something that the obama administration is already considering, joy. >> very interesting. jim, thank you very much. and coming up in a few minutes, could this latest isis execution set off a backlash in jordan that has ripple events
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throughout the rest of the region. we'll dig more into that. and still ahead, we'll deconstruct the crash of that transasia flight ge-235 minute by minute to look at what led to the tragedy. plus the incredible details of a murder mystery in argentina that could implicate a head of state. ls great rates. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping.
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these were two individuals that did go through the jordanian justice system and convicted of very serious terrorism related crimes. these were individuals sentenced to death and serving time on death row and we did see reports that their executions were carried out overnight. >> that is white house
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spokesperson josh earnest, refusing to condemn the jordanian execution of two prisoner this is morning. the executions come home as the king of jordan comes home after the killing of a pilot aiding in the fight against isis. a video showing the pilot burned alive in a cage has transfixed the country. many of whose citizens have until now been weary of participating in the u.s.-led fight against isis in neighboring syria. one of those executed was a woman they claimed they wanted to trade for the pilot. a top government official is promising earth-shaking revenge against isis. and meanwhile an exclusive interview with the murdered pilot's father who is a member of an influential tribe who said i ask that this should not end with the execution of the two prisoners and i expect the government to seek revenge,
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severe revenge for the blood against of moaz against this horrid organization this is what jordanians expect from this government. and hasham thank you for being here and i want to ask you about the tribe that al kassasbeh belongs to. >> they send their kids to the armed forces of jordan and that is one of the reasons that the king of jordan king abdullah was sensitive to the needs and negotiating feverishly to save the pilot and apparently that did not happen and the jordanians and many others that i can tell you with absolutely
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certain tan ty were sieged with rage because some of the painful moments were shown and people were beyond angry, actually. the newspapers, one of the headlines were "we want revenge." and one of the oldest universities in the muslim world came up with a very strong statements saying we should do to the isis people what essentially stated in the koran that we should cut off their limbs and their heads. this is not necessarily the language you want to hear at this stage, but the immediate reaction is one of revenge and anger and retribution. and in the long run, this is not going to settle the problem. we have a huge challenge imposed
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by these groups particularly isis. they took part of -- a large swath of both syria and iraq and i think there is a sense in the region that the strategy if you want to call it a strategy so far is not enough. five months after the air campaign, there is very little to show for it in terms of stemming the advance of isis. and there are questions being asked now about how serious is the united states in leading this international arab coalition in really defeating the isis because the sense in the region that i get, and my own sense, that the president is to contend isis and not destroy it. >> and with jordan next door to syria where you have two things going on you have the terrorist group isis and an surgency against the government in syria who the united states and the west are not on the side of. how much do the people in jordan believe that aspect of it the
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assad aspect has held the west back in really going in and fighting isis full-on? >> we have to keep in mind that jordan has more than 700,000 refugees. and lebanon, has more than a million syrian refugees. you cannot sustain the situation in jordan and lebanon forever and they can collapse on the economic pressure and the demographic pressure that syria present pd and they believe the president has no policy to get to assad and syria. this is one of the complaints of the saudi arabians and the turks who should be part of this international coalition. people believe that the international community now is sharing the air space with syria's air force and they bomb with barrel bombs and brutal bombings of civilians in aleppo while we are bombing isis without thinking it was the
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assad reg he'll and killings that was what brought isil into place in the first place. >> and jordan is one of the united states closest partners and seen as a very stable country. and the u.s. has a report it is a monarchy and not a democracy, but the protests were allowed to go forward. they said it is a measure of the sensitivities of which tribes are treated and even though protests were chanting slogans calling the king a coward bought by american dollars, jordan's usually proactive intelligence services and riot police retrained from intervening. we saw arab spring events happen around the middle east. talk about the stability of the jordanian monarchy in that country at a sensitive time like this? >> jordan is under a tremendous pressure. they are stable as much as you can talk about any in the middle east. they are suffering the effects
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of the iraq problems over the years and now the syrian civil war and a tough economic situation and that is why the united states decided to increase the aid to jordan. i don't believe that the monarchy is in danger today but there are opposition to the king. it was before the arab spring and before this syrian civil war and that is why the king has to be extremely careful and one of the reasons he did not use force and i don't think he will use force unless he pushed to a corner. i think he is smart enough to realize he has ato -- has to allow his people to vent particularly at this moment. >> thank you for being here. herban melon. and now people say the girlfriend of lance arm strong has admitted to lying about a car crash that happened in aspen, colorado, late last year. according to a report in the washington post it was armstrong who was at the wheel of his suv when it crashed into two parked cars.
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but he and ana hanson agreed she would take the blame to avoid media attention. he has been cited for speeding and failing to report an accident. neither armstrong or his lawyer has commented. >> and more testimony from the victim's girlfriend in the murder trial of aaron hernandez. shaniya said although she spent time with hernandez, they weren't close. they said he had no reason to kill lloyd because they were friends. and president obama met with a group of young undocumented immigrants dreamers who have benefited from his 2012 executive, deferred action for childhood arrives. he said they represent the best they have to offer but had harsh words for the gop congress that hopes to dismantle the project
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welcome back. and right now let's take a closer look at the dramatic plane crash in taiwan that killed at least 26 people. the final communication from the pilots to air traffic control was mayday mayday engine flame out. so what exactly happened in the critical moments after takeoff? here to help us answer that question is anthony roman, a license pilot and flight instructor and looks into plane crashes and other. so tony what was going on inside of that cockpit? >> they had the most stream emergency any turbo prop can have. they had very little in the bank to help them. they had low altitude and they
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lose the port engine, the left engine. most of us believe that if a twin engine plane of using an engine we have 50% power. not true. due to adverse aerodynamic forces you lose 80% of the aircraft's flying capability. that sounds terrible it is terrible. everything has to be done just right. here you can see that the aircraft is almost hitting an apartment building. and can you see this apartment building right here and you can see the lateral plane of the aircraft, the longitudinal access is up. they are attempting to miss that building. heroic, self-preservation and they are busy. what happens here is the pilots need to maintain a minimum controllable airspeed once they lose an engine to maintain what
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little efficiency they have left. once they raise the nose they lose the airspeed very very quickly and they go below the minimum controllable airspeed. that begins a roll into the dead engine and we can see the beginning of that roll with the right wing starting to go up. now if we can play this video, please. you can see the right wing going up they've lot control. they haven't yet lowered the nose because they simply had no altitude. terrible scenario for the pilots to be caught into. >> so let me ask you a question then tony. given all of that and how catastrophic it was, did it surprise you that there were even 16 survivors? >> no it doesn't surprise me at all. what the pilots did was very
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clever here. they avoided the urban area they avoided hitting the apartment building they went for an open area when they realized they did not have enough airspeed and lift to return to the airport and they attempted to put down the aircraft in a controlled crash in a river bed. that would allow them to diffuse the energy of a crash over a long distance and that creates the best scenario for survivor. >> that is very frightening but thanks for showing us what happened in that plane. thank you, tony. and it reads like a novel. a mysterious murder and alleged government cover-up and after the break we'll speak to a reporter closely following the details following the death of an argentina prosecutor who was allegedly preparing to take down the country's president. re investing over $98 million dollars and creating over 2100 jobs.
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come with me now as we go to argentina as what would be the most intriguing murder mystery in the world. it is a story with terror, espionage and a cover-up and a guest appearance by the pope and all we need is tom hanks and a release date. it begins with the argentina president, cristina fernandez de kirchner and any role she might have been involved in a local prosecutor after the argentina media and the new york times reported on tuesday afternoon that the prosecutor had drafted an extraordinary document a warrant for the president's arrest. the alleged crime -- helping to cover up iran's role in a deadly 1994 bombing of a jewish community center in bone he's
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airez, and in fact the pope who is from argentina, was demanding justice. but a long-stalled investigation complete with allegations of cover-ups only grew in infamy last month when the same newly installed prosecutor was found dead. at first it was thought to be a suicide. but many doubt that now as he was hours away from testifying before argentina's congress about the country's chief executive. and joining me now is knollman panic you willski who has been knolling this for a while. knoll ga let's talk about why it is they believe the president was somehow implicated in relation to this bombing of that community center. >> i don't think she was implicated in the actual bombing
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which you just said took place 20 years ago. but he presented serious allegations about a secret memorandum between argentina and iran and he alleged that the memorandum indicated that the argentina government attempt to anull the interpol red notices he had succeeded in getting against five iranian figures who are being sought in connection with the bombing. >> so let's talk about the alleged draft of a warrant for at rest or this arrest document. according to the daily beast, on sunday viviana fine who is the prosecutor investigating nisman's death, saying no documents was found at his residence and she was forred to
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backtrack so was a document produced? >> there was a draft of an arrest document. and this whole situation is interesting on many many levels. for one, it shows how far nisman actually may have been planning to take his case. so not just to present the court with allegations or with the theory that the president and the foreign minister were engaged in a massive attempt to basically be rid of the evidence against iran but he had contemplated requesting the president's arrest. now we're several steps away from that. he would have had to put it in writing and sign it and present it to a judge. i think there are many many questions whether any judge would have issued an arrest warrant but it is interesting that he had gone that far in his mind. the next thing is -- i don't know what to call it -- triple
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cover-up here, what we see is this woman vivianu fine brazenly lying to the world. someone appears to be feeding her her lines. so we have evidence that somebody has tampered with his home in other words someone attempted to get the pesage out that no documents were found there and told her to say that. and then they were caught in the act by this newspaper who published images of the documents. and so now we have that level too, in which she has basically lost all credibility, everyone is wondering what else was tampered with. the autopsy results have yet to be released. and everyone wonders what exactly was nisman going to present in congress the next morning. >> and i should note the piece, is your piece nolga. and if you are investigating
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allegations that the president of the country was involved in something nefarious, that inherently does seem to present many, many road blocks. the reporter who broke the story of nisman the prosecutor's death, said he was being tailed. that he was being tailed by argentina intelligence agents. is it possible to get to the truth in a case like this where the person being accused is the chief executive of the country in control of sedin tell jens services? >> i think that is the 24,000 -- million dollar question right now. and i'm afraid the answer is probably no. it is very very complicated. the journalist who got the break of a lifetime i think was in fact trailed. i don't think there are doubts about that. the government's official twitter feed released private details of his itinerary, nobody
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knows how they got that when he was planning to flee argentina and it really endangered him and you see here a government scrambling, not getting the story lines right and basically dissolving all of the arms of government. in other words the kirchner government claims it has no ties to the intelligence apparatus and no trust in the justice system and it is unclear what the institutions of state are actually doing right now. >> all right. a story full of in degree and thank you for bringing it to us nolga tarnopolsky. those parents against vaccination and the new park by the measles outbreak. >> don't think it should be the parents' choice.
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a quick reid alert out of taiwan officials in tie pie updated the number of people who died in today's transasia crash. at least 31 people have died and rescuers are searched for 12 por passengers on board -- more 12 more passengers on board when the airplane crashed into the taipei river. and measles is having an effect here in the u.s. last month we saw more cases of measles that are typically diagnosed in one year. according to the cdc, there are 14 102 cases in 14 states. measles is the most contagious diseases in the world. but whether vaccinations is a choice left to the parents or government has led to a debate. particularly after comments that
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chris christie and senator rand paul, both potential presidential candidates have made. it is a topic made its way to mississippi where a bill was introduced to allow parents or guardians could get a certificate that say they have con seen shouse objections to certain vaccination. and keep in mind this is a state with the highest vaccination rate in the country. and joining me now is andrew vann actualican from fordham university and according to the associated press, the measles is now in nevada but nbc news has not confirmed that. doctor, the measles, unlike ebola where there was a racial fear the getting the disease, the measles is fairly easy to contract? >> it is easily to catch and it represents a very real threat. in the 60s and 70s, before the
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measles vaccination was widely available available, thousands of americans would get measles and we would have severe deaths and we are going backwards to that. >> and it is interesting and i pointed out mississippi because they are at the bottom in terms of health outcomes and obesity and they don't take the medicaid expansion, et cetera. but in terms of vaccinations they are at the top and with the best record on vaccinations. does it concern you as a public health expert for the state that is doing the best but has this difficult to manage system to walk back a little from mandatory vaccines. >> i don't think this will pass but it is concerning because if they say you can opt out of vaccines they will get measles cases and kids will be put at risk. and i think the politicians that are causing the debate around this and doing a dismal job.
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chris christie and rand paul particularly, i'm used to working in refugee camps in africa where the number one thing you do for health is vaccinate. and i don't think chris christie can run america with his ability to say this. >> and this is a woman who put a woman who came back from africa into a tent. and the idea of being an anti-vaxer is not a conservative thing. there are lib -- literals who are anti-vaxers too. but a couple of people who have a following and who have ideological terms. listen to glenn beck and rand paul. >> if you happen to be a parent and say, i'm sorry, god gave me a brain, god gave me personal
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choice and responsibility for those choices, i'm going to say no to these vaccines because i've done my homework. >> i think the parents should have a say. the state doesn't own your children, the parents own the children. >> does it worry you as a public health expert if it becomes a matter of ideology to be against vaccine. >> it does personally because you are much more likely to see measles. but if you think the government should be getting involved in vaccine, that is my choice. but the tradeoff is we have measles but we have some freedom. but what i find terrifying is they don't understand the fee dom. chris christie was happy to restrict ebola but not with measles. this is not a balance.
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either everyone gets the vaccination or you have a measles epidemic. so he is not even good at being a politician. that worries me he couldn't make the decision. that is the job of being a politician, to make these decisions. he has no ideology but yes, everyone should get the vaccination and the harms are minuscule and the benefits are enormous. >> and medical practitioners said you should get the shots but then something about illegal immigrants. and wur producer just handed me this note. the southern nevada health district has confirmed two cases of the measles in clark county nevada and there are no evidence it is linked to the current outbreak linked with the disneyland outbreak. how concerning is that.
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if it is not linked to the outbreak at disneyland then how and why and what? >> because it is contagious and we do not have coverage in nevada. there are always a few cases going on in the u.s. so those two might not be of massive concern, depending on how well the community is but every case of measles should remind us that it is incredibly preventible and a contagious disease. >> and that is the key. it is preventible. and thought to have been eradicated, it is insane not to get vaccinated. thank you, doctor for joining me. i'll be back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. read the "the reid report" on msnbc.com. you know what time it is. "the cycle" is next.
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