breaking lose leading "the cycle" today, i'm abby huntsman with toure and blake zef and ari melber. jordan had offered release of two on beth row after a capture of a pilot. the president of jordan sat side by side with the president vowing not to back down and the president said the murder of the pilot will strengthen the resolve but a crucial ally pulled their support in december demanding more support from the u.s. and back in washington the

man who could be tasked with heading up the operations is one step closer to the pentagon. ash carter is the pick to succeed hagel as the defense chief and isis dominated a large part of his senate confirmation hearing today. >> the strategy connects ends and means, and our ends with respect to isil needs to be the lasting defeat. in iraq the force that will keep them defeated is the iraqi security forces that is our strategy to strengthen them and make them that force on the syrian side, not to take too long about it we are trying to build the force. >> nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell has been following the hearing. and kelly, there is no shortage of news to grill mr. carter about today, is there? >> reporter: absolutely, abby. this is a most important topics at a time when people can see in the world around them the importance of this job.

having the events that went on with isis and the jordanian pilot in recent days and the publication of the video and concerns about other parts of the world. one of the ways that ashton carter made news is he talked about his support for arming the ukrainian rebels against putin and any of the attempts be russia to reclaim more of that territory. that is a bit of a break from the white house and a notable part of his assessment to the committee today that has to evaluate his qualifications and experience and world view. so that was important today. what we also heard about is a real sense that ashton carter said he is prepared to do something critical right now and that is to give the president as much of a candid assessment of things on the ground as he can, including if some of the way that we are handling the issue with supporting the iraqis against isis and isil doesn't go as planned, would he be willing to go back and offer the president a recommendation to do

more. he says that he will. however, politically that is very tough. and one of the things we heard from john mccain, chairman of the armed services committee, is the concern about the decision in the white house being with a few people of the national security council involved with the president and not necessarily taking the advice of a secretary of defense like carter should he be confirmed and hagel had that problem of trying to give the president of that guidance at a time when people don't want to see more of a u.s. presence but what can be done to defeat isil and isis is an active debate not in terms of the defense forces like in iraq but other ways that u.s. special operators and other assets can help them. john mccain was critical about trying to help the irans in battling this. ashton carter has a big task if

he is confirmed and he expect he will be. >> a difficult time to take on that role. kelly o'donnell thanks. and let's turn to flashpoint global partners dan o'shea now a kidnap expert at rahm technology. and dan, there are skill kidnap kidnapped americans and what are our chances to get the american female back and what are the chances she is already dead? >> pulling back and forth on the proposal to trade what was already a dead hostage for this one al qaeda suicide bomber so there has never been an option to negotiate with the organizations and four americans and as was our case during my time in iraq the hostage rescue

mission was the only option. >> laith, they say there is probably 20 outstanding hostages that isis has, are they able to in cold strategic terms, to resupply themself to do the murders or do they run out of their strategic capital in killing people. >> we cannot ascertain the number of hostages that isis has but we can say they are relentless in kidnapping and asking for ransom operation so we know a number of european countries have negotiated with isis to release their hostages and they made millions of dollars and they tried to do the same with the japanese hostage. but how much do they have you have journalists on the ground and government that isis will

try to capitalize and in territory, get information where they are and kidnap them and continue the process. >> but what is the point -- i have to ask, what is the point of killing this japanese or the jordanian pilot because they were in negotiation to make something work there but what is the point of killing him a month before they are even having the talks? >> i think the point is trying to bring jordan to its knees and humiliate jordan and trying to saying you just annin fidel in fidel army and just like we treat as a western army that we view as a big enemy of ours. they view themselves as state and not just an organization and they want to react with an iron fist as they will. >> and dna, same question to you, why will they negotiate over a prisoner they already knew was dead and why would a

double exec use on the jordanian and the isis side why would that benefit isis? >> well the goal for these macabre with the beheadings and the burnings it is to garner attention and put out this 20-plus minute propaganda voetd which to your expert's position they are trying to drive a wedge between the arab nations aligned with the west against this fight. and if you go into the full 20 minute video, aside from the two minutes of the barbaric video, it was propaganda aligning saying all of the countries flying with the american and british and nato air jets saudi and kuwait and jordan they were aligned with the crusaders and that is the wedge they are trying to drive. and even though this jordanian pilot was probably killed in early january. this ability to hold the hostages they won just simply

for the propaganda value and that is where you can expect more in the future. >> and there is no way you can say this is not put together. and in the reaction for the video. gandhi said an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. but in the immediate aftermath, jordan sought retribution by hanging two iraqi militants and we are hearing reports that jordan will engage in some sort of military retaliation n. your view does jordan have any other choice? >> i think they need to make it clear to the international community that it is still committed to fighting this terrorist group. and not only fighting the terrorist group, or any terrorist group that might impact jordan's security and in this sense isis has gotten close to home. and so jordan is at a cross road right now that isis might infiltrate their society and

finding acceptance in the jordanian fighting and they are going across the border and going across the borders and jordan has to make a swift action and which is done with executions. >> so no choices? >> [ inaudible ] was wrong? >> idealistically. but we live in a foreign policy kind of woorld. >> thank you for helping us understand this difficult situation into and later on the dash cam footage of the fatal plane crash in taiwan. believe it or not, there were survivors survivors. and then a crash of a train and suv in new york city. and next up the war on isis. is there any line they won't cross.

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we are back with more on jordan's swift response to setting one of their pilots on fire. jordan executed two militants they had considered trading for the pilot's release and this hard-line by jordan on all of this, we'll look back at the 2005 coordinated suicide attacks in amman and here to dig deeper ayman mohyeldin. >> those were a turning point. the 2005 suicide bombs hit hotels frequented by diplomats and westerners. it attacked a wedding party as well.

they call it the american 9/11. al zarqawi was the head of al qaeda in iraq which would later morph into isis. at the time they felt his tactics would go too far. and here is the tie to today. the woman that isis wanted in ex change for the pilot who was convicted in the 2005 in the attack. her suicide vest did not detonate. her husband was a successful bomber and she was on death row and she was slated to be executed. but publicly said they were willing to swap her for the pilot, the jordanian government said that today. and the other person killed was ziad cash owly and was also involved in the bombing. the people protested against

zarquawi and the killing of the pilot did not lessen. they will become the lethal terrorist group, having fought the u.s. the group became battle hardened and now al qaeda in iraq set its sights on syria and moved across the border and iraq morphed into the islamic state. as for king abdullah. he has been a staunch u.s. ally throughout it all. they have used the u.s. to use military for bases in the region and the jordanian armed forces have been involved in airstrikes against isis. jordan is absorbing a large share of refugees draining the country's resource and causing friction domestically. some including the pilot's father have expressed

reservations in the ongoing coalition resources against isis. but the jordanian monarch seems to be doubling down and they say his government will remain engaged in this fight. >> thank you. to the former middle east advisor. and kevin bear from executive of air one. >> and ambassador, let me start with you. and ayman gave us historic context. but i would say the jordanian government is fairly pragmatic and been able to deal with many different countries and forces in the region including israel. what kind of pressure is on jordan and what is your read having living there. >> jordan is the poster child for a good american arab ally in the middle least. for the years i lived there and through the support of peace in

the middle east it's pragmatic relationship with the united states states. they are mostly palestinians and so the problem in jordan is how does the kingdom, which is very poor, no natural resources, very impoverished impoverished, how does it economically survive when it has tens of millions of refugees coming from iraq and syria and not getting adequate support and remain a pragmatic ally. and number two, how does the king navigate this -- the internal friction between a country that itself is tired of having these burdens thrust on it economically wanting to see pliftan homeland to -- palestinian homeland to live in

peace and live in a country where the u.s. support hasened quite a bit. >> and let's talk about the u.s. response. i want to bring kevin back in. kevin, the president of the united states gave an interest interesting interview with save savannah guthrie where he said something that stood out. >> anything related to the terrorist actions i take a look at. i think it would affect anybody with a ounce of humanity and why we have such a broad based coalition. >> so the president saying he does watch the isis videos and what do you think, does he see any red tape when he looks at these videos. >> and he looks at these hostage situations, and maybe not looking at the videos but looking at how they are rating the u.s. and the coalition response and trying to draw in

the arab nations to do more and to become much more active partners in the military counter strikes. >> marc we perceive isis as having no line and nothing they won't do and that is critical as them being the most vicious and sadistic and we see this in the drug war in central america, the group most vicious has a competitive advantage over others and that creates a fear and gives them a power they wouldn't other wise have. >> toure, if i explain to you that i read the stuff coming out of isis and compare it to the handbooks they hand out and the islamic fighters, they are portraying this is the great romantic adventure that is returning the middle east to the glory days of haddin and so this

is the great romantic rule of the 12th century. we are fighting a 21st century mentality when they are fighting a 13th century war when they find the people that are attractive to this sufficient. i want going to say the word i was going to say. we have young people watching. >> we have young people here. >> and jordan has retaliated and hung two extremists and how will they respond now and are they going to say we killed two of theirs and they killed two of ours and does isis even care? >> it took them less than two hours to kill who they said this woe. the ambassador is right, jordan is a poster child for help in the middle east. there are not many heads of

state who see full parade honors when they come to the pentagon for a visit. and he is one of them and i've been there. because he's allowed the united states and partners with the united states to become the force that will police this region. this is the home -- jordan is the home where they have the special operations training center funded by the united states army, built but the u.s. army corp of engineers and a proving ground for this exact kind of work for counter-terrorism work. and this is exactly the kind of fight the pentagon has been hoping, if there is a fight, was hoping it would play out. where someone other tan the united states is capable, funded and equipped and trained well enough to go after a group even like isis. this is jordan's back door and a group now stoked the fire poked the ant hill if you will. and we saw those immediate overnight reactions on the streets in amman calling for

vengeance. >> it is jordan's back door and syrian's homefront and the united emirates backyard and you see they want more assurances from the u.s. there will be operational support so their pilots aren't getting shot down. the pentagon tells us this is going in the right direction proudly because isis is isolated. but other folks say it is not that great of a direction when they hold this much ground and places like the eu is held down. >> well the administration is walking on to the battlefield in eggshells. the united emirates will not help because we did not provide what they wanted. king abdullah of jordan sounded the alarm when isis gained control of northern syria and called the president and asked for immediate help because isis

and al-nusra was attacking jordanian borders. now congress has the opportunity to vote more support for jordan and that country needs a vote of confidence for the american people at this time. >> thank you. >> well said. >> and the latest on two stories we have been following. dramatic dash cam videos about the final moments of a plane crash in taiwan. and investigators on the scene of the crash north of new york city. we'll go live to the scene. that is next.

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and found some survivors, including a small child. a true miracle. they also found the black boxes. those will be the keys to finding out what went wrong. ian williams is on the mission for us. he reports from beijing. >> reporter: hi abby the battered boyy of that transasia aircraft has now been hoisted out of the river and rescue workers are trying to locate the passengers still missing. the death toll the number of confirmed dead seems certain to rise. the crash came two minutes into a domestic flight out of the smaller of two taipei airports it. was recorded not just by one dash cam but by three on passing cars. dash cams are popular in taiwan. it shows a taxi also cut in half by the plane's wing before clipping the highway and slamming down into the river below. that triggered a rescue and

painstaking one which involved several hundred firefighters police divers and fire personnel. now there is speculation tonight that the pilot may have deliberately put the plane down into the river in order to avoid those tall apartment buildings, close by. and if you look at the video, he did come terribley close to them. there is a recording in taiwan which they claim is the last broadcast of the captain to the control tower where he says mayday mayday and this was recorded by a respected site run by aviation enthusiasts. the speculation is there might have been engine failure. we don't know for sure. but the black boxes have been recovered. that river is pretty shallow and it should be only a matter of days before we know what did go wrong and led to that dramatic crash today. back to you guys. >> ian williams in beijing,

thank you so much. and a transportation tragedy back here at home. officials have revised the death toll to six after the rush-hour tragedy last night involving a jeep and the metro-north railroad the line that takes commuters from new york city to the surrounding suburbs. it is the deadliest ever for the railroad. and here is what they think happened. the driver of the jeep stopped her suv on the tracks after the gate hit her vehicle. she got out to assess the damage and when she got back in the train hit her after coming around a quick bend. the collision started a fire and passengers evacuated as the front car went up in flames. and now this hour we are hearing the frantic 911 calls. >> a fire. on cleveland rain station. a vehicle struck by railroad. [ inaudible ]. the cleveland street train station. train versus car.

>> we have one possibly trapped in the train. possibly alive. i have doa in the train as well. >> i have a 66-year-old male with severe chest pain and head injury. he is standing in front of me about a quarter mile north of the gates on commerce. >> adam riese is at the scene of the crash in the city suburb of vallal huh. what is the latest? >> reporter: investigators here on the scene combing through the charred wreckage looking to see what happened and why. 16 people killed and many seriously injured. and the jeep got stuck on the tracks. one eyewitness said the woman got out of the car to lift the gate up off of her car and got back in the car and attempted to go forward and the train slammed into her and pushing her more than 1400 feet down the tracks and then the rail cut through the front car and passengers

inside had to cut through the smoke and the fire and break out the windows, jump outside and here is what one of them had to say. >> i was in the very front of the first car. laptop on my lap. i heard a loud bang. the woman across from me she said that we hit something. as it came to another jolt i hit the ground and fell on top of me and turned around and saw smoke. total and utter chaos. the guy in front of me. either lost or broke his leg. people were screaming and crying. there is no words to describe how surreal it is to be talking to guys right now because if i didn't act quickly, i wouldn't be here. if the person who helped undo the door didn't act quickly, i wouldn't be here.

>> reporter: now investigators will certainly want to talk to the conductor. they'll be looking at videos and also looking to talk to eyewitnesses and of course they'll look for the recorders inside of the train. they say this could take five to seven days here on site and possibly up to a year before they have the final analysis. abby. >> adam thank you for that report. >> and from what we know the accident is purely the result of the driver. and having said that safety over the america's structure is crumbling, from bridges and roads and in some cases beyond repair. the american society of civil engineers gave the u.s. infrastructure a d-plus grade last year and that was an improvement. we know we need to fix things. and the president addressed it in the state of the union this year. it is not the first time we've heard it and not the last. and let's bring in someone's

career in infrastructure investment add appear from the brookings institute. and thank you for joining us. and improving our infrastructure is something we can all agree on but we can't seem to move forward. why is that? >> at least here in washington. many states in metropolitan areas are spending quite a bit more. but the impasse brings up a big question of how much more do we need to justify how important this sector is. how we get to school for our kids and get to our jobs and factors to homes and how we make money selling product ss. and products that brings electricity into our homes and it is clear how important this infrastructure is and has a huge impact on the economy but the impasse in washington has made it difficult to figure out how

to come up with new ways to spend money on our infrastructure. >> separate from these incidents, i spoke with some in congress where there might be a break through related to budget spending or taxes. do you have any sense that this might be the time where there is a spending package that can come through based on what the president just outlined? >> there is a huge kind of coalescing if you will that seems like infrastructure in this congress where republicans control both houses, time is clear for them in advance of 2016 to govern and pass new legislation and find common ground because most people agree, and the president said in the state of the union, infrastructure is not a bipartisan issue. both sides said whether it is re pate ration or other forms of taxes are a great way to reform infrastructure. and we agree with that too. there is huge reticence which is on the easiest solution which is

raising gas tax. many have been raising them in the states for years but our forward level has been stuck at the same point since 1993 and it's a flat tax. so it is buying us less and less highways transit and sidewalks and infrastructure each year. so that loss of purchasing power is starting to impact what we see on a daily basis and we are hoping to come to a compromise the two sides between congress and the presidency on where they will find that funding and what they will spend it on. >> let's hope, in terms of what they might spend the money on one of the holy grails they get so excited, transportation geeks get a glimmer in their eyes is high-speed rail. >> spoke for yourself. >> sure. a transportation geek. >> and if we look at the safety record in places like china, it is better. and so we talk about the terrible accident we were

mentioning before we can avert accidents and have a better and more efficient transportation for speed rail, what is your expectation for future in america. >> the tragedy this week and the tragedy in the bronx in 2013 the scale of it, the equipment that is crashing is big and it feels like the event itself is quite huge at time and it is. but at the end of the day, your point is right. traveling by those kind of commuter trains is 20 times safer than taking a car. and if you are on a light rail or subway vehicle in new york or washington, that is 30 times safer and more astonishing, if you get on a bus in the same streets as the car, it is 60 times safer. we know the famous rain man quote, the airplanes are safest of them all. getting folks on transit has the better potential for safety and the safety of the environment.

it is cleaner too. and the president made something inside of his budget and there is reticence from the gop but we see many mayors across the country doing things on their own, including republican mayor and states. >> and you see what is going on in asia and we wonder what are we doing here. adie tommer thank you for being here. and jordan wastes no times in striking back against isis. there is growing word some are growing frustrated with the white house.

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our efforts and i think you saw that from king abdullah yesterday as well who indicated that the people of jordan would not show weakness in the face of this barbaric act. >> there is no doubt isis has taken the brutality to a whole new level, raising fears there is no line they won't discuss. we just discussed that point a poemt ago. but back in washington does this change the dynamic for a republican-controlled congress threatening to crush funding. and alex is with us now in front of the white house. and now the u.s. has expanded assistance to jordan from 660 million to $1 billion a year and what do we expect them to do with that money? >> they have been a key ally in the flight to isis from attacking on the ground and finances and they have been what

josh earnest called a voice in the arab world so this should help them expand the fight and continue their support as other allies have been weary given the stepped-up brutality. but jordan wants high-tech weapons and the white house has been silent on whether they will support that. john mccain and those in the senate arms committee are asking for them to step that up but nothing from the white house today. >> and they vowed to deliver a quote, earth-shattering response to isis. andrea mitchell is reporting on this and there is concern to your point that they don't have the u.s. to back them up. one arab official told her they want to do more but don't know if the u.s. will be with them. this is a challenge for us. how do we respond appropriately here? >> well that is the big question that the u.s. is struggling with.

this is the fine line that they've been trying to walk this entire conflict which they were resistant to call arms in syria and then reluctantly got on board with that and now playing defense as isis made huge success in iraq this summer and now they are stuck in the familiar position of whether to do more to back the moderates and the other allies and they so far don't have an answer on that. >> and alex, when you talk about the u.s. responses and you want to talk about the funding of our homeland security and the president issued a new budget proposal and he wants to increase spending on lots of things that go beyond the old sequestration levels including homeland security but already the republicans are calling it a stunt. how much are they going to fight him when it comes to homeland security type funding and dare i say it is there a possibility of a shutdown down the road.

>> how dare you say it? >> yes. when it runs out, it was one part of the budget exempt because republicans wanted to make a stand on it fighting against obama's executive action to expand deportation relief to undocumented immigrants and that is at the forefront of debate in washington today. last night every democrat in the senate joined a filibuster that would stop a funding that would remove funding for the actions. today obama met with dreamers that would help with that. and jeh johnson is on the hill today and harry reid yesterday said he is confident that ultimately congress will pass a bill to fund dhs but they are pulling out all of the big guns. >> and you look at the ongoing discussion of how to deal with isis, there is a lot of talk about saudi arabia trying to be helpful and reports of them trying to help russia to squeeze syria and today "the new york

times" has a blockbuster story about al zaukary, and includes the government prince were funding al qaeda. that is a big deal and that is coming from a convicted terrorist and credibility questions and what do you make of that and what is the political fallout of that and because in washington it seems like both parties have a hear no evil policy when it comes to what the saudis do? >> right. and that is another thorny relationship in the middle east. i think the middle east policy is to choose your friends among people who might not be your first choice among friends and the saudis have worked with the u.s. on terrorism and worked with the u.s. on providing a stable supply of oil to global markets. and so when you don't have a great selection of people to be your closest allies you have to work with who you can. and that is the position they still find themselves in.

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as this disease is happening, washington is coming together on the issue of vaccinations. following suit from one of the nation's top doctors. >> >> i think it is very, very clear that you have one of the most highly effective vaccines against any virus and you have a highly contagious disease, measles, that have can have serious implications. >> there is no credible evidence to support that claim. >> vaccinate your children against measles. there's no reason not to. >> it is a slam dunk what the decision should be. >> let's bring in the president of children's health fund. doctor, thank you so much for being here. >> glad to be here. >> there's a lot of misinformation; misinformation; a lot of junk

science out there. let's get it out of the way. tell us why vaccinations are not only safe but important. >> they are incredibly safe. before we had the vaccine, which started in about 1963 we were getting over half a million of cases over the year. we had around 500 deaths. 50,000 hospitalizations. 1,000 children every year left with neurological complications. this was a serious disease. along comes a vaccine which works like crazy. it is one of the most effective vaccines we have. now we're getting this off the wall resistance to vaccine. two factors involved here. one was this study that showed in 1998 there was a link between the vaccine and autism. that's been completely debunked. the doctor lost his license. it was ridiculous.

then we have the echo chamber that is social media which has taken what would have been a very tiny fringe element in society and it's become kind of a movement that's dangerous. really clearly parents need to vaccinate their children. >> some members of the traditional media have helped spread. >> i didn't want to say that. >> vaccination is not a purely personal decision. it is about how you function within a community. doctors talk about herd im immunity. explain what that means and how it functions. >> when you make a decision as a parent when am i going to start solid foods, that's a personal decision that you're making within certain bounds between you and your child and your pediatrician. but when you decide you're not going to vaccinate your child for measles, that effects your

child as well as all the other childrens in the community. >> the elderly, people with cancer. >> it makes them very vulnerable. your quote/unquote personal decision can effect in a bad way everyone else's children. that's why it is a big public health issue. >> you're putting that very charitable charitably. you don't get a choice over whether or not your child is educated. there are requirement that is your child get an education either at school or at home but you can't say you get no education whatsoever. don't wear a seat belt. we have rules about that. i guess that goes to the question for you, which is -- maybe you can't answer this. >> i'll try. >> what is it about children's health that seems to freeze out that discussion? when i say that about seat belts, go oh yeah but we do

have rules for seat belts. why is it different here? >> there's something odd that parents -- we're there to keep them safe and to make sure we have stayed within the rules of society. we are no longer allowed to beat children unmercifully if they have misbehaved. it is against the law. you can't leave a child in the car in the heat. there are many things we have to do because we're trying to make sure children are protected, but many parents see this as a violation of their personal space and rights. we have to get over that. >> i am all for personal responsibility and giving parents more freedom, but what this comes down to is just common sense. i'm surprised there's not a nationwide standard for a measles vaccine. why is that?

>> there is a nationwide standard. most states absolutely require children to be immunized and vaccinated when they come to school. some states offer a tremendous amount of flexibility. >> like california and colorado. >> i think that should be completely off limits. unless there is a medical reason, you should not be able to avoid getting your children immunized. that is for your child's sake but also for all the other kids in school. >> we don't own our kids. >> thank you for that. >> thank you very much for debunking some junk science. not even mother nature can stop the patriots or their fans. we end with a look at a jubilant day in beantown. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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we wrap the show on a high with some sports. record snowfall was not enough to keep thousands of patriots fans from celebrating their super bowl champions today. they made their way through the streets of boston atop the city's famous duck boats and showed off the alimonylombardi trophy. >> a lot of players holding four fingers up for the four super bowl titles. >> whoo! [ cheering ]

>> go patriots. all right. that does it for "the cycle." "now" with alex wagner kicks off. an everyday commute turns fatal. it's wednesday, february 4th and this is "now." >> this is the deadliest accident this railroad has ever seen. >> two passengers just said a car was hit by a train. >> it rocks into flames. >> the train came to a really abrupt stop. >> we could not get the head car's door open. a number of us were smelling fumes from the car and we said we need to get out. >> let's get everybody down now. >> the first train car northbound is on