we're young activists and veteran activists and those in entertainment and athletes white and black and latino and asian, is that america has begun to have a conversation about change. the conversation in itself is a victory. now we must turn toward more substantive victories but just getting the conversation is how it began in the '60s and how it's beginning now. i'm glad "essence" put it on the cover. it's on the cover of american's minds. let's move forward even if we don't all agree on the tactics, we all agree we need to have this conversation. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. grandmother's know best. let's play "hardball." ♪

good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. that's it. you just heard it right. grandmother's know best. that's the word from hillary clinton, the recent secretary of state has served notice that she's embracing her new family position with gusto and taking it on the road politically. when she signed off monday night about the need for vaccines with that hash tag, #grandmothersknowbest. i am who i am and i think it gives me a vital status into taking this country in the future. i care about the future because our charlotte and all of the children of her generation are going to be living in it. joining many he to talk about this interesting development, republican strategist john feari and joan walsh from salon. on twitter she wrote "the science is clear. the earth is round and the sky is blue. and vaccines work.

#grandmothersknowbest." some say secretary clinton's new family status as a grandmother can soften her image and also help her critics with the age issue. "democrats see this rhetoric as a way to spin clinton's age to her advantage and as a chance to show off clinton's family life to female voters and her personal warmth to young voters: somebody cares about if because i have a stake in it. >> age is something that people are going to use against her. i think it's great to get it out there this way. >> the way that democrats said that bob dole was lurching around from position to position that way? >> both sides can usage, i can admit that. but it is something that people are a little bit afraid of and it's a great way of saying i'm

at this time of my life, i have a granddaughter that i adore and i care. she started with science. it wasn't entirely based on grandmother's know best but she owned it. >> it was almost like a nursery rhyme. your view about hillary, al gore once said not that he was the most successful politician, if you don't define yourself early on the other guys will. >> it's unchartered territory. you wrote in a book many years ago, you put a spotlight on your problems. >> bobby kennedy said hang a lantern on your problems. >> one of her biggest problems is she's going to be 71 when she runs and john mccain was that old, when ronald reagan was that old. it's an issue that comes up. you're right, she's trying to define this in the most positive terms. >> how does it come up? >> how does it come up? >> yeah.

>> that's a good question. >> you brought it up. >> i think republicans are going to have to tread very carefully on this. for them you have to be able to appeal to that voting bloc an older woman who votes and many times for republicans. >> let's talk about what you just said. you're a good guy so i'm not going to jump on you like i normally would but i could argue that you just stepped into a trap. mitt romney is basically a grandfather. >> right. >> of many grandchildren. it has never come up that this was a negative. look at his family there. look at that. that's a statement. that's never been an issue. jeb bush is a grandparent. the idea that hillary is a grandparent, why would that be a potential negative? >> well i'm not -- >> or age even. why is her age an issue with her rather than with her peers? >> anytime you're around the 70 age barrier, it gets to be an issue and that's just -- >> why didn't it ever come up with mitt romney? he's not running as of a week

ago. >> he's not near 70. he's not going to be 70 when he runs. she's going to be 70. that's a big age difference there. >> he's six months older than her. let me absorb that john feerhy. he was running a week ago and it never came up. >> look there's a double standard for women. we have rush limbaugh telling us no one wants to watch a woman get old before their eyes. it's clear that we have to endure more scrutiny. karl rove brought it up in terms of her health. some of them would be very dignified concerned about her health, does she have the stamina. >> it was an issue for ronald reagan when he ran. it's stamina. >> well rush is on his fourth wife. >> he got the new model. >> he just keeps trading them in you're not stuck with that problem.

sorry. >> listen i'm not saying it's an issue. i'm saying she's trying to define it in a most positive way. >> i think -- i do -- two things go on in politics. one is self-definition. you have to define who you are. >> right. >> we are americans. we'll start with that. and then we go with i'm a conservative, a liberal, define it with that and then what offices have you held? you help the people out here step by step. i'm female and i'm a certain age. anyway, ross baker presented a different view in "usa today" on how democratic women affect their party. joan, you've got to jump on this baby. "women have assumed dominant positions and have scared off serious male challengers. take hillary clinton and representative nancy pelosi. both are powering and intimidating figures who have sucked the oxygen out of the spheres they dominate. true, they have successfully

promoted the candidates of women championed issues that appealed to women and generally been rewarded with their support." >> in 2008 a whole bunch of guys won against hillary clinton and one of them beat her. i'm glad that you're not intimidated and not letting me suck the oxygen out of the room. there's still room for male pundits at the table. chris, come on. that's rid deck cue louse. >> the interesting thing about nancy pelosi, no one can beat her as a leader. she's liberal as the caucus is liberal and raises the most money. it's all about the money. >> and your party has been knocking off the moderates for years. >> and i think there's a chance that someone is going to knock off hillary. >> whoa. whoa. hold the tape for you. who is it going to be? >> well to be determined. i'm not sure -- i'm not sure. it could be john tester.

who knows. somebody could beat her and she might not run. it's a possibility. you've got to lay it out there and then who knows what happens. >> so how is your guy doing? how is jeb bush doing? in a question and answer session in detroit -- he made this change last week. we're talking about his last name the bush name. >> i love my dad in fact, my dad is the greatest man alive and if anyone disagrees, we'll go outside unless you're 6'5" 250 and much younger than me. then we'll negotiate. i love my brother and i think he's been a great president. it doesn't bother me a bit to be proud of them and love them but i know for a fact that if i'm going to be successful going beyond the consideration, i'm going to have to did it on my own. >> your witness. john? he's now joined the question. how do i get to be a new bush while i've got the baggage of the old bushes?

>> the bumper sticker is not going to be bush. it's going to be jeb. >> like hillary? >> and i think jeb has to define himself which i think he can easily do. he's going to chart a new course. and i think with his authentic approach to politics he's going to be much more appealing than anything we have. >> you're a spy on the republican party. you're a centrist i think. is he going to be more like his dad, which most of us really like, or is he going to be w. like a hawk? >> i think he's going to be like a pirate. secretly conservative unlike his dad who was secretly moderate. >> will he be a hawk? >> i think he'll be -- >> going into the new countries with armies? >> i think he'll be much more towards his father. >> so these people won't be a bunch of neocons? >> no but he'll have neocons who support him. i think he's going to have a far more -- >> i think that's the number one

concern, the center left, who might vote for him because they like the guy. their fear is not his education policy or immigration policy because they like that. what they fear about him, as modern as he seems domestically all of those right-wing hawks are going to come after him. >> i think he does need to get out there and talk about what is this bush doctrine. >> meeting your demand governor bush unveiled what he calls his reformed conservative agenda for america in detroit today. it was a mix of economic populism and concerted -- here it is. >> the recovery has been everywhere but in the family paychecks. the american dream has become a mirage for far too many. so the central question that we face in detroit and america is this, can we destroy that dream, that moral promise that each generation can do better? if we can't answer that question, look, no tax, no

welfare program will save our system or our way of life. because america's moral promise isn't broken when someone is wealthy. it's broken when achieving success is far beyond our imagination. so i'm getting involved in politics again because that's where the work has to begin. the opportunity gap is the defining issue of our time. >> i can't argue with that. i tell you, that goes with community college, with educating kids. >> well, right. >> all the good stuff. he didn't fill that blank in. >> i think it's terrific that republicans are talking about this. i really do. if we can agree that it's a big problem, we can solve it together. however, that speech had nothing about community college, earned income tax credit. how would he -- well it's time to fill it in. >> his biggest challenge is going to be putting meat on the bone. >> yes. >> what are the policies that fill this thing that are conservatives won't brace. his brother had two policies no child left behind and prescription drugs.

>> they are not letting him behind. that's a dianne feinstein joke. their policy is no child left behind. >> i think jeb would be a great president, highly defined policies. >> by the way, a working kid in a bad nand who wants to get out and make a living and get a real job? >> you have to deal with crime control and make sure the kids are solid and deal with families. you've got to make sure that the family structures -- and support of the family. >> real techno stuff. thank you, john feehry. we can turn off the camera and get it done here. joan walsh, thank you. that's the nicest thing you've said about republicans in my lifetime and i really have a soft spot. i want to hear from jeb. i'm not really to put that guy down and i hope i don't have to. i hope he's a real contender because out of those running, you've got to like him. jordan executed two

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influential religious leaders have spoken out. the top muslim authority in egypt and revered for sunnis for punishing fighters. he said they should be killed or crucified or their hands and legs cut off. thank you both for joining me. david, you're here. angry over atrocities, whether it's beheading, we all feel it we feel it for three or four days and then we go back to the policy that made sense over time. will the jordanians or other arab countries, the saudis included, take up arms against isis? >> we have to see. they are already nominally part of the coalition that's fighting isis, an important aspect of the anger that's clear in the arab world is that it gives cover for people like king abdullah of jordan, for the new leadership in saudi arabia and other arab leaders to move forward with the u.s., not to be embarrassed

about it. it's interesting that the lieutenant kaseasbeh is from a very tribal area in jordan. he's from the betowin area and when they swear revenge, they mean it. >> will they go to war? >> well they are at war. the question is whether they are going to stick with it. we always say, why don't the arabs speak up why don't they express anger? today they did. and i think that's important. >> what about the reality when you listen to john mccain who is pretty hawkish, you don't hear a coherent plan to beat isis even over a reasonable period of time or any period of time. you don't hear it. how do you defeat a country which is now a country that has all of that land that it owns right now? >> john mccain has a very specific view about what to do with rebels and arming rebels. let's come to that in a second. the bottom line is isis is a

global threat and with a global threat it requires a multilateral response and that's not just militarily but holistically. there are sunni muslims being slaughtered, there are shias being executed in the hundreds there are christians yazidis, jews. and from every part of the world. so everyone is a threat here from isis. we can go to isis or let them come to us. i suggest the former. there are geopolitical problems going on around the world. russia absolutely essential on the u.n. security council in the p5. we have a problem with russia and the ukraine. if you look at iran, there are discussions going on about iran's nuclear program. if you go to saudi arabia the problem with saudi arabia is that the u.s. has home basing for its predator drones being

used in yemen. that will effectively get in the way of conversations of saudi arabia. egypt needs to be hardest because they are a sovereign nation and it's not going to be under the muslim brotherhood. there are areas around the world clouding a coordinated response. we need to get our head around what john mccain said a military response. >> michael, let's watch what -- i think he's pretty sir couple described. here's john mccain when he asked what the united states needs to do to come pat isis. let's listen to his words. very careful here. >> i'm very much in favor of air controllers, special forces some embedded trainers and others that literally make the difference between a fighting force that's capable and one that is not. that does not mean as the president always sets up the straw man, massive american troops. >> but at earshot, that is the

question to americans. as angry as i feel, as most people do, and even in his words do i hear a call for war like we did with afghanistan and iraq twice. to go in there on the ground with a famous general leading the charge and kill everybody that gets in our way, i don't even hear that from him now. >> no. and there is no appetite in the united states for that chris. even among moderate republicans there isn't. i want to go back though to the point about, you know whether various allies of the united states in the middle east will sustain their membership in this coalition against isis. look, that coalition is fragile and nominal at best. let's take a country like jordan, which is in meaningful ways a. moderate muslim country. a few years ago, my own entry visa to jordan was pulled by the royal court. why? because they did not want to be accused by the muslim

brotherhood of allowing somebody like me to come into the country. that's how skittish the jordanian government is about being accused of itself with anybody with the effect of westernism. >> did that change in the sight of a guy having gasoline poured on him, knowing it's all going to happen to him, realizing it and watching this guy go through this horror? many jordanians rallied behind their country's king when he returned from the u.s. yesterday and today the king promised a long hard fight against isis. he said, "we are waging this war to protect our faith, our values and human principles and our war, for their sake will be relentless and hit them in their own ground." david, can he hold the meds in the beds together in his country? can he hold his country together facing down a neighboring arab reality? >> he has a better chance tragically after this terrible

event. last week, there were a lot of people concerned in washington and amman, that the family of this pilot, many of people were saying, why are we in this fight? this isn't our fight. it's america's fight. i think there's a lot less of that now. the point i'd make for your viewers is 90% of the arab world, i think, was outraged today in the aftermath of this. the target audience of isis is the 10% who may not have been outraged. >> and the hate. >> well you know the shock value -- >> why are they like this? >> because this is shocking, it's a scream in the face of the people who have been dropping bombs in their view on arabs, they would argue killing arabs. that's the reason they set up this video, the horrible burning of the lieutenant. i think there's also a romance and adventure that isis projects. join the fight, be with us. and for the 10%, that's powerful. >> go ahead. >> just quickly, there is also blow back against isis among

younger muslims. i can tell you that there is plenty of commentary coming out of the middle east written by young muslims saying that this culture of vendetta and counter vendetta has to end and that in fact, the violence being perpetrated by isis the barbarity, the savage ree is pushing more and more muslims into speaking up and out more openly of the abuse of the faith. we very well may see that isis has it is work cut out for them in recruiting more young people. >> that's the best news that -- she's right. that's a big thing. >> let me go to michael, last question. briefly, it seems that israel has had to live with a situation like this. 90% of people in the west bank don't want to kill the israelis but the 5% or 2% are going to go over there and be suicide

bombers, ruin any chance of that mattering. my question is if most in the arab world say this is the most horrific thing they've ever seen them do to another, but if the 3% say, joining the crazies over there, what matters? in the long run, what matters? the passionate few, the hell-raising people or those that like to see peace? what matters most? >> it takes decision like egypt, egypt made a decision last week an egyptian court made a decision to rule the militant wing of hamas as terrorists. that's unthinkable given that the egypt in the past has been a power broker in between palestinian and israeli talks. but let me finish on the point that john mccain was saying in terms of what his recommendations are on the battlefield. there's a serious issue here. john mccain is right in one respect. there needs to be fusion between a ground force and air force in order to gain the maximum leverage militarily. but we had 160,000 coalition troops in iraq with the most

sophisticated and powerful force in in the world. we have the most sophisticated ground forces 300,000 if you include the afghan national army. training 5,000 rebels in syria and 5,000 iraqi troops in iraq in order to tackle effectively what is isis isn't going to cut it. we've got to find another way, we've got to find a political solution, a political alternative and then fuse whatever solution with the military is and with what the road map turns out to be. >> thank you davidish ignatius and michael kay. we'll be right back after this. did you know that the lack of saliva can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath? well, there is biotene specially formulated with moisturizers and lubricants... biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth.

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31 people were killed when it went down last night. boston fans lined the streets and later than expected due to a winter storm. back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." chris christie is back on u.s. soil and his london trip has been short of success or any success. chris christie's measles comments left him pandering. headline, chris christie shows fondness for luxury benefits when others pay the bill." and christie smaped at reporters. here he is. >> did you discuss the islamic state at all? >> is there something that you didn't understand about no questions? >> governor would you put troops on the ground to fight isis? >> is there a reason you won't take -- >> and for the first time in new jersey's poll, christie is

viewed unfavorably more than favorably. joining me perry bacon, susan milligan. susan, you first. a lot of things went wrong on this trip. a bad trip. as we used to say in the '60s. >> first of all, the whole idea that you can go to great britain and call that a foreign policy experience is sort of laughable to me and the fact that it went so badly makes it even worse. >> they speak english over there. >> yes. and it's not a foreign currency. he should have gone to greece actually. that would have been more useful. but what is interesting to me, are we going to see chris christie the straight talking guy who said get off the beach during one of the storms or are we going to see chris christie the bully? and what we saw in his interaction with the press is chris christie the bully. it was such a minor situation. it's early on a and to say to

somebody, you can't ask me a question? his problem is if he goes to iowa and he's at a barbecue and someone asks him a question that he doesn't like and he says are you stupid? are you stupid? he's got to bring that under control. >> in the beginning we all thought it was kind of charming to hear a guy speak straight but this stuff of no comment and what's wrong with no questions, like he's bridling at the press. just shut up. you don't have to talk but you don't attack the reporters whose job it is to ask you questions about major international issues. >> i don't mind him not answering questions. hillary hasn't answered questions in a long time. his attitude is not great. the measles comment was just wrong. you're running for president. we want you to be the leader of the country. >> spell it out. who is he talking to? >> to the conservative base to libertarians. he made ben carson seem like a reasonable character. >> i want you to interpret what he says here. this is called meandering.

he was all over the place this week on vaccinations at a press conference in london. monday he suggested that parents should have more of a choice when it comes to vaccinating against infectious diseases. watch what he said and see if you can interpret it. >> do you think americans should vaccinate their kids? >> all i can say is we vaccinate ours and so you know that's the best expression that i can give you of my opinion. it's much more important as what you think as a parent than a public official and that's what we do. i also understand that parents need to have some measure of choice in this as well. that's a balance that the government has to decide it depends on what the vaccine is and disease type is. i'm saying you have to have the balance in considering parental concerns because no parent no parent cares about anything more than they care about protecting their own child's health. >> so give the parents an option

but -- i'm telling you i listened to that carefully. he wanted the yahoos whoever they think they are, the working class not believing in measles, don't believe in the stuff that we all grew up with. everybody grows up with measles and mumps and you get vaccinated. >> i think it was the first time that they praised president obama and criticized chris christie on something, the editorial board. but this idea that a number of republican lawmakers, presidential hopefuls have taken the position that i personally support the vaccine but i wouldn't force it. we want to know if you would force it. you're a lawmaker. we want to know what laws you would make. another thing to keep in mind here is the republican presidential candidates who are kind of pandering to this anti-vax movement as we call it they are not doing it because they don't believe in the science but it's borderline

toxic to mandate anyone to do anything even if it's good for public safety and health indoes undispute blee. >> what about the metaphor about zombies. i went to catholic school for 100 years. you always came home because the kids were packed together in classrooms some kids had sniffles and some got worse. if you have three or four brothers, one of you is going to get it. i had four brothers. and also the desire for perfect attendance was ridiculous. do you remember? get that kid to school. you want that perfect attendance badge. >> the science is unequivocal. >> my mother was a nurse. i could never get away with pretending to be sick. everybody got sick. the thing is look what tom till tillis said, what about the policy about washing your hands. >> explain that.

>> i think what was behind it is that a business doesn't mandate anything like that. that we don't require our employees to wash their hands and people won't go to this restaurant if people don't wash their hands. well, we dump our waste into the river and, you know just don't buy our product. >> i know that sign is aimed at me, not the employees. it's aimed at the customers to know that the employees, that they have clean hands. >> yes. >> that's what it is for. i don't want that on the -- >> no one does. it's a perfect illustration of what tom tillis -- >> who complains about having to wash their hands? >> nobody. but they were -- >> i watch everybody at the airport. i make sure i watch everybody who has -- and if somebody doesn't wash their hands, everybody knows it. >> and i'm not shaking tom tillis' hands again. >> that's right. >> and unfavorable numbers as of now are more than his favorable.

38% of new jersey residents with a favorable opinion of christie. that's 38. but 40 in unfavorable. in june, christy was above water at 45 and even last february with the bridgegate scandal in full swing, christie's favorables were higher than the unfavorables. these things matter. is it normal for a politician on his way up to be noticed taking leave from the state that he was elected to govern? >> the polls show that people know what is going on. christie is done with jersey. ultimately he cares about a poll in iowa. >> but the citizens of iowa who read every newspaper, i hear they don't like you but i count. sahil, i'm always impressed by the knowledge base of the person being polled on the candidate side. there's a dozen of them. everybody has an opinion on every one of them. >> right.

>> how can -- or is it just a wake. i have no idea what you're talking about. >> and chris christie snare kbloeohio scenario, since he got elected, he's taken steps that are clearly suggests that he's looking at the presidential election, that he's not really thinking about new jersey. >> what was he doing in london? i don't think you announce that you're home by going to london. up next why was president obama irritated at mitt romney when mitt romney called him to concede the 2012 election? this is "hardball." this is so fascinating. sensitivity and awkward statements. anyway, the place for politics. back in a minute. ase returns so you can enjoy that second home sooner. know the right financial planning can help you save for college and retirement. know where you stand with pnc total

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displeasure the night he got a call from his opponent the defeated mitt romney. he was shockeded and irritated by that phone call. according to axelrod in the book, obama was, quote, unsmiling in the call and slightly irritated when it was over. the president hung up and said romney admitted he was surprised at his own loss. you really did a great job of getting out the vote in places like cleveland and milwaukee. in other words, black people, obama said paraphrasing romney. this is obama being described, interpreted by axelrod. his former body man, the one who gets you your cookies at night, jackson, disputed the claims saying that mitt called barack obama from my phone. i know for a fact he didn't say what axelrod claims. jackson also told cbs, quote, i just hope this lie, that's the word he used is the work of david axelrod and not the president. i was very disappointed he would make that up.

first of all, the president's sensitivity to the line not just the line but the two parts he said it he said you did great in cleveland and milwaukee. i wouldn't think of milwaukee as an african-american dominated area. it's just a city that people are liberal in, or democrat. the president apparently saw it as an ethnic jab. >> there was a conference call after the election where romney said obama -- >> we're getting the minorities and hispanics. >> you linked to something we had on a conference call one week after losing in 2012 and blamed it on big gifts, that's the word to loyal democratic constituencies african-americans, hispanics and young people. here it is. >> it's a proven political strategy which is give them a bunch of money, to a group, and

they'll vote for you. >> there you go. they bought it. they bought the poor people and minorities. that's why they won the election. >> obviously none of us was there. we don't know exactly what was said. >> we know what he just said there. >> he's very much in sync with what his campaign was saying after the election in 2012. everybody sat at this event in harvard university and spoke frankly about the campaigns. at one point someone said did you really think that everyone else's poll was wrong and yours were right? they said we think our polls were right, we think we just didn't get out enough of the white male vote. we looked at them and said there isn't that much of the white male vote in this country anymore. i don't think they really fully understood what the demographics of a presidential electorate is. that comment, this idea that well, we would have won but you whipped up the vote in these, quote unquote, ethnic areas, that actually makes sense to me. >> let's talk turkey you're

talking about the big city vote. you may call it the urban vote but you're basically talking the base. the african-american votes have been predominantly for the democrats. why is that offensive in itself? >> it could be perceived in two different ways. the romney campaign was genuinely baffled at the obama team's ability to turnl out the low -- >> that's how so fis ti cats talk in the back room. >> they're pointing out that you won because of african-american voters and minorities. and president obama is sensitive to this idea of the sentiment that he's the president of black america. he doesn't want to be seen that way. he's not that person. >> pi the way, that's an argument that's fair on his

part. the african-americans are always -- >> iowa new hampshire. not a lot of black people in those states. obama won those just fine. >> the great beloved walter cronkite after the wisconsin primary of 1960 that night he said he only won because he got the catholic vote and kennedy went steaming out of that room. now i have to go to west virginia because you've taken away my victory because my peeps showed up. >> congratulations, mr. president, it was a tough fight and honor running against you, why do you have to come up with excuses as to why he beat you? it sounds just a little petty. >> the first nixon-kennedy debate nixon said to kennedy -- yeah nixon said to kennedy, you had a great turnout in ohio. thank you for talking points. let me finish with secretary clinton's new role in life which has become a political

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let me finish tonight with secretary clinton's role in life. many people pull back from the title of grandparent. they come up with nicknames. my wife kathleen likes to be called names that i brought back from the peace corps in swaziland. clinton is a grandmother and has no problem with the name. she wants the world to know

there are certain strengths and a serious amount of wisdom to being a parent of a parent. she's out there looking over the horizon to the world, her grandchild is going to live in rather than make it with someone holding on. she's leapfrogging to the future by talking about the world that's coming for, in her case granddaughter charlotte. we never know how much thought goes into a comment from a politician. sometimes they speak without deliberation and say something brilliant. sometimes they speak without thinking and say something we call a gaffe. but having paid attention to secretary clinton over these recent months see how she keeps her own counsel, i assume she's making a presidential run, i don't tlihink she made this grandmother reference blindly. secretary clinton is letting it be known she's proud of her position and her family and her generation, and in her country,

and she knows its strengths. i take what she said very seriously. i mean that in a political sense. and that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in jordan vows relentless war and executes two prisoners following the murder of one of their pilots. tonight, what does military victory against isis look like. and what's the plan the day after. >> how in the world are we going to dislodge isil from syria without a ground component. plus, a look at one major news organization's decision to share isis propaganda with the world. then the biggest internet news since the invention of the internet. >> allison, can you explain what internet is? presidential murder mystery in argentina takes another incr