welcome back. let's get a check of the day ahead. the president and first morning. the dali llama is expected to attend that as well. a new york judge will hear arguments today on whether to release the secret grand jury records in the eric garner chokehold case. hopefully we'll have details later on this day for you. stick around. "morning joe" starts right now. it is 6:00 on this east coast. welcome to "morning joe." we have a lot to get to this morning, guys. we'll start right here in new york. new details are emerging about tuesday night's train accident north of new york city that left six people dead. investigators still trying to determine how exactly an suv ended up on a railroad crossing as a packed metro-north train

was speeding. that's where we find nbc news correspondent tom costello who is following the developments there. >> reporter: mika cold good morning to you. they've moved the train or the burned out remains of the train further down the tracks. they're beginning to process removing all of that off the train tracks. as the medical examiner goes to family dental records to identify those people who did not make it out alive. the first arriving fire and ems units found a scene of carnage, twisted recwreckage, fire and smoke, and passengers climbing through windows desseparate separate to escape a burning train. >> more ambulances are required. >> reporter: it happened at 6:30 p.m., rush hour on the packed metro-north train line that serves new york city's northern commuter towns. >> the front two cars smoke billowing out from everywhere. >> reporter: witnesses say an suv was sitting very near the tracks when the train's crossing

arm came down on the car. the mother of three got to the of check for damage. exploding on impact. as the train carried the suv 1,000 feet down the tracks the electrified third rail was ripped free, tearing into the first train car. passenger chris gross was inside. >> flames came up. they were about a foot away from my face. after that happened you know people are screaming, crying. >> we've got one possibly trapped in the train, possibly alive. i've got doas in the train as well. multiple injuries. >> reporter: in all, six people were killed including the driver of the suv. 15 people injured, some seriously. >> lacerations, contusion, crush injuries, open fractures, dislocations, smoke inhalation and flame burn injuries. >> reporter: through the day the suv remained embedded in the front of the train as ntsb inves gatorser rooifd on the scene. witnesses told police the driver

may have been stuck in traffic trapped on the tracks when the train approaches. >> she turns, gets back in the car. slight hesitation. and then moves forward and at that instant the train came. >> reporter: piecing together how the accident happened will be part of the ntsb investigation. >> was there any indication that the crossing signals or crossing arms were not working properly? >> at this point we have no indication to believe that they were -- that they were doing anything other than operating properly. >> reporter: the dead include the suv driver 49-year-old ellen brodie 53-year-old eric vandercar, a father of two, and 69-year-old walter lidtke a cure rater at the metropolitan museum of art. >> reporter: metropolitan has been under scrutiny in the series of years for accidents. now the ntsb is looking forward to interviewing both the engineer and the conductor on what they saw on tuesday night. >> tom, thank you. another victim we are learning

more about this morning. 36-year-old robert durks. he was a married father of two and research scientist. 41-year-old of danbury, connecticut, and 42-year-old joseph natov of new york were also killed in the crash. both were employees of jp morgan. it's just an incredibly horrific story and perplexing what happened. >> it really is perplexing. this train just cuts right through where we all live. >> oh, no it's also right near -- >> in the community, so many people. >> there's a hospital right there, where they went. the westchester medical center with so many injured. i know it well. >> you drive through this year and have you had -- i know in my town where the train comes through it's pretty slow when it going through. were there places through where, you know because you've lived in westchester and lived in this

areas. have there ever been times when you've been in a close call like that or you've known people in a close call like this? >> no. >> seems unusual. >> it does. >> you know i think a lot of people rightfully so looking to the history of metro-north. but the more you hear about this the more it sounds like this woman on the tracks had nothing to do with the train, i don't think. >> right. >> we'll have an investigation. but the woman on the tracks in the "new york times" there are really harrowing account from the one eyewitness who was behind here and talks about screaming back up, back up. he backed his own car up to give her space to back up. and he said i'll never know why but she got back in the car and drove forward instead of backing up. >> she thought she was in reverse. >> sheer panic. >> i've done that. >> what is unusual, at least to my memory in terms of events like this is the fire on the train itself. that to me raises a whole series of questions. why did the first car become

engulfed in flames? >> may have had something to do with that third rail this got ripped up penetrated the car and was dragged for several hundred yards. >> crazy. to the other major disaster we've been following overnight, the death toll from yesterday's plane crash? taiwan stands at 31. 15 people have been hospitalized. another 12 are still missing. and as the search for survivors continues, the pilot is being credited for steering the plane away from populated areas, likely saving more lives. nbc's ian williams reports. >> reporter: the dramatic final moments captured by the dash cams of passing cars. the trans asia twin prop claim clipping an elevated roadway before slamming into the river below. 58 passengers and crew trapped in the fuselage. upside-down and half underwater. rescuers rushed to the scene. a young child among the firsts of more than a dozen pulled to safety.

a massive operation, painstakingly extracting survivors as an anxious crowd gathered on the river bank. survivors were rushed to local hospitals. on the elevated roadway, debris where the plane hit and a battered taxi. the same one that can be seen just ahead in this dash cam video. the driver and passenger stunned but alive. the video shows the plane narrowly missing nearby apartment buildings. fueling speculation that the pilot deliberately swerved to avoid them. the plane went down just two minutes after taking off from the airport. posted online the pilot's recorded distress call engine flameout, he said. suggesting possible engine trouble. ask propellers you can see this one is spinning at a faster speed than this one. you can see all four blades here. and they're almost stopped or much slower than this one. this indicates that this engine

is producing power while this one may very well not be produce producing power. >> reporter: the cause should be known soon. the black boxes have already been recovered. the battered fuselage was hoisted from the river as the search continues for the missing with the death toll almost certain to rise. >> joining us live now from beijing, nbc yus correspondent ian williams. ian, what's the latest there? we suspected this yesterday as we saw the way he pitched the plane perhaps to avoid the buildings and the bridge and put it down in the water. what else are you hearing about that? >> reporter: that's not been confirmed, although that is the theory. looking at the dramatic pictures it does seem that he went out of his way to avoid those tall apartment blocks just beside that elevated roadway. missing them narrowly and steering the plane down and into the river. a big loss of life yes, 31 people so far confirmed. 12 still missing. but it could have been far, far

worse had it plowed into one of those buildings. now, they continued today to pull debris out of the river, large parts of the aircraft. as they looked to try to locate those 12 people still missing, but divers and officials say the water is very murky and it's moving far fast, which has hampered their efforts. interestingly, that recording that we heard yesterday, mayday mayday, mayday suggesting also that there was an engine problem. that had been recorded by an enthusiast website, although a well-regarded one. today officials confirmed that that is genuine. so that does point towards engine problems. the engines were pulled out of the river today, so investigators now have them. they also now have the black box. so theoretically it shouldn't take too long now for them to come up with a cause for this crash, willie. >> all right. ian williams in beijing on an

incredible story. mika, before you go to the next story that we showed video of a father carrying a toddler out of the wreckage in ian's piece. amazing story. plane crashes. guy can't find his toddler. after three minutes, climbs out of the wreckage and sees his young boy floating in the water. >> no! >> said he turned blue and was unconscious. the father on the spot gives him cpr and revives his son. >> oh, my gosh. >> saving -- so they survive the plane crash, then he's got to climb out of the plane from underwater, finds his son, saves his life and the kid is going to be okay. >> my god. i have chills. that's incredible. all right. moving on now. jordan's king abdullah is vowing a, quote, relentless war afrl isis video appears to show a jordanian pilot being burned alive. the u.s. has confirmed that united arab emirates suspended air strikes against isis after the pilot was captured. it was concerned about the lack of search and rescue teams if a plane went down. it comes as arab leaders that

the white house is not permitting enough firepower to defeat the terror group. meanwhile, the entire senate armed services committee is calling for state and defense departments to increase military aid to that country. president obama's reportedly prepared to ask lawmakers for a new authorization for military force against isis. >> i've talked to some friends in the region and actually talked to an american -- former american official who last night told me that isis has, i will just say, his words, he's been over there for a couple of decades. isis has screwed with the wrong king. said that he's going to light them up. said he's going to -- knowing him, the way he thinks the way he operates it's going to be a take no prisoners approach. and that all they have done all isis has done is put the king in a better position to use his power to go after them. and this is -- this is, again,

we talked about it yesterday, isis has a death wish. well this week they may get their wish granted. and they screwed with the wrong king. >> it's also i'm told going to put some pressure perhaps enormous pressure on turkey to stop turning a blind eye to isis recruits coming through turkey into syria to join isis. >> it would be about time. >> joining us now from washington we have retired four-star general barry. what do you make of what you just heard from joe and mike? >> isis is not actually doing very well. they were stupid in messing around cow bankoubani. occasionally killing shiite muslim muslims. primarily this is group of murder us thugs. but they're doing pretty well on the ground.

they still control mosul, the second largest city in iraq. and they are not affectively countered by the syrian or iraqi armed forces. i do think the jordanian armed forces and intelligence service are absolutely first rate. this is a huge mistake, this brutal murder of the young pilot. >> we have a lot of testimony on the hill yesterday, former cia director mike moral was warn og of long fight in his testimony against islamic state. take a listen. >> what can be done in response? not much unless the coalition is willing to put more ground troops into iraq and possibly into syria, there is very little we can do. >> what would it take? >> i think it would take 100,000. that simply doesn't exist here and it doesn't exist in the other coalition countries. >> we've been hearing for some time, general, if you wanted to feed isis on the ground you're going to have to put feel on the grouped and people go on to say there's not the will in the united states or the middle east

to put boots on the ground. can we defeat isis if we don't put boots on the ground along with our allies? >> yeah well, i think it would be a huge mistake. not just domestic politics but also a military one to introduce ground combat units in the middle east. this is a struggle between kurd shia sunni. this is not going to be resolved by u.s. combat forces. we should be doing much better in supporting our allies in the region. that means directly arming the kurds, supporting their jordanians with substantial assets to include their refugee problem. so i think the agency and the special ops community probably need to be better engaged. the white house needs to stop micromanaging military forces on the ground. this air-sea-rescue capability is the example. let the air force sort it out and do what needs to be done. but at the end of the day this

is not a fight for the u.s. to get involved in on the ground. >> general, can you give us an idea what are the numbers, isis' numbers, troops on the ground. >> they're all over the map. the number that's commonly used is 30,000 some odd fighters. a couple thousand foreign fighters a couple dozen u.s. it's not a substantial force but it is ameshed in mosul, it's in raka,fallujah. so it's hard to get at them. certainly with just air power. you need people on the ground but that should be kurds and jordanians and iraqis and others. we're forced into this bizarre situation though where de facto and fighting isis we're almost allies of both the iranians and assad, the murderer of 200,000 syrians. so the dilemma is intent there's no easy solution here. >> thank you so much general.

ashton carter appears to be on his way of becoming the next defense secretary. after a pretty smooth confirmation hearing wednesday he promised the senate armed services committee he would be an independent voice if confirmed and disagreed with president obama when necessary. his testimony showed the two men appear to be at odds on several issues including sending arms to ukraine. >> we need to support the ukrainians in defending themselves. the nature of those arms i can't say right now because i don't have -- i haven't conferred with our military leader or ukrainian leaders. but i incline in the direction of providing them with arms including to get to what i'm sure your question is lethal arms. >> with us now from the ukrainian capital nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely. bill, secretary of state john kerry landed in ukraine this morning. what should we expect from his visit? >> yes, good morning, guys.

from a bleak and chilly kiev. that could also some up the prospect for my diplomatic breakthrough here or any chance of this war de-escalating. the last time john kerry was here was last march. since then crimea has been absorbed into russia. ukraine has virtually split apart. we've got a war with 5,300 dead. a million people on the run and rising. john kerry arrives, as i say, to a very bleak prospect. he will meet ukraine's president and prime minister. they will be putting the emphasis on a diplomatic solution but so far diplomacy has signally failed to stop this conflict. of course, the elephant in the room, if you like is the issue of weapons. ukraine will be spelling out what it needs and why it needs weapons. and briefly that is it needs as many weapons as it can get its hands on because the rebels are supplied by russia although of course president putin denies

that. but they have new weapons systems. the ukrainian weapons and the systems ukraine has are decades old and they are not stopping a rebel advance which is now really gaining momentum. no decisions will be made today. no announcements will be made today. but you heard ashton carter there saying he's very much inclined to supply weapons to ukraine. but that carries huge risks, huge dangers. >> i was going to say, what is vladimir putin's response to the going to the united states arming ukraine? certainly i would guess no better than, you know the russians arming mexico with weapons against texas. >> reporter: well, exactly. you know there's a danger in even talking about this because if you don't follow through, then maybe the united states is seen as weak. we only have to remember the idea of red lines on chemical weapons in syria to know how

dangerous talk can cost the united states' reputation. but also there's a danger in supplying such weapons. i mean they're meant to deter vladimir putin. in fact, they may not do that. he may become even more popular. it may turn a essentially regional conflict into virtually a proxy war between the u.s. and russia. so supplying any kind of weapons, and there is a difference between defensive weapons like armored humvees and drones and offensive weapons, and you heard ashton carter hint that he might support lethal weapons. there are gradations of weaponry that can be supplied. by every one carries a grave risk. >> bill neely, thank you very much. in politics wisconsin governor scott walker is leading a new poll out of new hampshire. he's ahead of jeb bush points with senator rand paul a distant

third. two weeks ago walker had just 8% support with a generic someone else beating everyone except romney. "the washington post" reports walker has built a big network of donors in all 50 states thanks to running three campaigns in the last four years. we have still a lot to get to this morning. one more story here. jeb bush is beginning to unveil what his campaign focus may look like the he officially launches a presidential bid. speaking in detroit, the former governor discussed economic opportunities saying conservative principles can restore the american dream. bush also noted the challenges of his last name when it comes to presidential politics. >> if i was to go beyond the consideration of running i would have to deal with this and turn this -- this fact into an opportunity, to share who i am to connect on a human level with people. i love my dad. in fact, my dad is the greatest man alive. if anybody disagrees, we'll go

outside unless you're like 6'5" and 250 and much younger than me, then we'll negotiate. i'm still not going to change my mind, for sure. i love my brother. i think he's been a great president. it doesn't bother me a bit to be proud of them and love them but i know for a fact if i'm going to be successful going beyond the consideration then i'm going to have to do it on my own. >> willie how did he handle that? >> that's a good answer. >> good answer. >> humor and took it head-on. it was an interesting performance. he did a lot of policy in his speech pretty loose in the q and a. michigan swing state. in detroit, we have to be more i cluesive party. you have to reach out to people escaped us over the last couple of cycles. >> mike? >> i thought it was an interesting choice logistically geographically to give one of the kick-off speeches supposedly, in detroit, a town that he used and he framed it up pretty well, this used to be a great place. it still is a great place. can be even greater. it used to be really a mecca for

the middle class in this country and we've got to bring the middle class back. interesting choice of topic ps. interesting language he used. very loose in his approach there to that answer. looking good. okay. pete carroll we have him. he has some interesting things to say about what happened with the super bowl. that's coming up. and we have a story that has aaron shock in it "down ton abby" and taylor swift. >> all in one? >> all in one. still ahead on "morning joe." -- >> the debate on the decision of some media outlets to show video of isis burning a jordanian pilot alive. should the media be showing the graphic images? is it necessary to show the extent of their evil? you know that's a debate we've been having since 9/11 about whether we should show the planes hitting the towers. that debate and that question straight ahead. robert gibbs and will kaine will be with us for that.

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welcome back. time to look at the morning papers. this train tragedy, obviously we're getting a first glimpse or not only the mother of three who died but also a lot of others that were killed. >> incredible story. the "wall street journal" now, the fbi is investigating another major computer hacking. this time involving the nation's second largest health insurance

company. anthem confirms their personal information of 80 million customers and employees. that includes names, birthdays, social security numbers, street and e-mail addresses and employment information. anthem services customers in 14 dates across nearly every region of the country. from the associated press, former army soldier from wisconsin is fighting alongside kurdish forces in iraq. 28-year-old jordan matson says quote, i'm not going back until isis is crippled. mat matson who entered syria through turkey who connected with forces over facebook page. he's one of three americans and one sauce usa australiaia interviewed by the a.p. he's hoping to repay the kurds who assisted the american forces during the iraq war. politico now. the white house announced two top aides will soon exit the administration. senior adviser dan pfeiffer and communications jennifer palmieri are leaving in the coming weeks. the two staffers joined white

house official john padessa who announced plans to exit in january. they are both reportedly leaving to take roles in hillary clinton's not yet official but soon to be official but kind of official 2016 presidential campaign. pfeiffer will explore positions in the private sector. >> pfeiffer is one of president's closest advisers for a long time. that's a big deal. a number of billionaires in the world has hit a record high. it grew by the 222 in 2014 which means there are now over 2,000 billionaires in the world. the three men who top the list bill gates, mexican business carlos slim and warren buffett have a combined $244 billion, up more than $50 billion from last year. the business insider tweets will now be visible in a simple google search. oh boy. as twitter looks to expand its number of monthly active users. reports say google and twitter

have reached an agreement to display tweets in searches. similar to a previous deal that ended in 2011. the news comes as the social media site is expected to release the number of monthly active users later this morning. 284 million people worldwide currently use the site. "usa today," overall americans are feeling less stressed than they used to. according to a national survey by the american psychological association. the average stress level last year was 4.9 on a scale from 1 to 10. that's down from 6.2 eight years ago. by far, most people are stressed out over money, especially parents with children under 18. >> do those parents with children under 18 just wait until you have children over 18. >> yeah. >> elevate your stress level, one to ten. average, 4 to 9? >> i would say it's higher than that on a day to day basis. wouldn't you? >> i don't know. you seem relaxed. >> still waters. >> chill. >> going through the halls kind

of going like hey, what's up? i got it. i got some tough stuff going but i am cool. >> flip that cigarette into my mouth. >> what about you, mika? >> i'm stressed. >> i know. >> i'm in the over 18. >> i'm just wondering. one to ten, what's your stress level? >> ten plus, how about you? >> really? >> yeah. >> ten plus? >> i cannot go five minutes without my phone going off. >> yeah. you know -- >> honestly. >> i have that problem. i have thrown aweall of my foeps. i'm down. i'm about a 7.5. >> 7.5? >> i'm down a bit. >> i think you might be fibbing. all right. "the new york times," a new survey says 9.5% of college freshmen experienced depression during their first year at school. up from 6% five years ago. researchers out of ucla say how the results ibd indicate students spend more time focusing on academics and socializing less. students feel pressure during senior year of high school to

get into good schools that could create anxiety that follows them to colleges. many are urging them to promote balance to their students. >> it's a big change from back when we were being raised to now. i mean you know parents in the '60s and '70s and the '80s, they didn't like run around the kids for 18 dwraersyears and go, you are the most remarkable. you're the greatest thing. >> i agree. >> you're the only person on the face of the earth. >> you all are winners. >> you're all winners. and then you go off to college for the first day. >> and you're not. >> -- and find out that nobody knows you, nobody cares about you like that. and suddenly you've gone from 18 years of being told that you are perfect and wonderful and the greatest thing ever. oh that piece of art, little tommy, that piece of oh we. >> that might be my daughter. >> -- is the most amazing thing ever. and it really looks like a dog actually poo'd on a piece of

paper. >> is that what you told your kids? >> no, i go the other way. >> weird. >> i'm talking to myself here. but you all know it's the case. >> you do it too. >> we coddle our children. >> yes. >> we tell them they're perfect and we tell them they're great. >> you used those words. >> then they go off to school. you know what my dad said why i'm so well adjusted? my dad says to me as i'm walking out the door to say good-bye to go to college, he says i'll see you back in six weeks. >> was he right? >> for good will thanks dad. no i wasn't wodled. i went to cool. >> i definitely wasn't. >> dean's list baby. hard to prove him wrong. but the coddling this coddling thing and telling our kids they're the greatest thing over 24/7. >> they are. >> they are. but you know what you've got to get them ready for when they go off to school and find out nobody knows them. >> i failed. >> nobody cares. >> you're not a special snowflake.

>> you're not that one special snowflake. >> you're not. >> in fact, there are billions and billions of people just like you. >> no. >> you are. >> perfect. >> #teamingmasses, little tommy. >> and your artwork looks like dog do according to dad. new york airline flight attendant is facing charges for stealing thousands of dollars of coins from passengers donating to unicef. officials say marco costa would collect change from people on his plits flightflights telling them the pony would help children in third world countries. they noticed a car at the employee parking lot in jfk was sagging. when they investigated they found 700 pounds of loose coins. >> my god, why did he just keep them in his car? that doesn't milwaukee any sense. >> this dude has serious problems, man. >> a lot of layers to that one, marco. coming up, he says the rush to legalize marijuana is arming america.

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welcome back to "morning joe." 37 past the hour. here with us now former director of the office of national drug control policy bill bennett. he's the co-author of "going to pot, why the rush to legalize marijuana is harming america." and from washington former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. >> bill bennett, it's your book. tell us about it. obviously there is a rush to legalize pot in colorado they're making so much money they're talking about giving it back tax refunds back. what are the dangers? >> they're actually making less than they pro jetted they would. they've got black-market and they've got a real problem with children out there, as they will continue to have. the major problem of science. i didn't have the science. i'm a second drug czar on this morning, by the way. when i was drug czar in '89-'90 we did not have this research. we reprint the entire article of new england journal of medicine.

>> talking point. >> it's harmful. >> big bug let points. >> the thc in marijuana, in the '60s, 3%. now it averages 15% to 20%. >> a lot more powerful. >> from a glass of beer to a dplas of bourbon. that's a big potency. it immediately affects judgment concentration, focus, and memory. the guy who did the study at north wesh said if i were designing something to be maximally harmful to students it would be marijuana. studies at harvard, oxford elsewhere. second, big marijuana is now -- business is now all over big marijuana. making the same arguments from big tobacco. it's not clear the harm is there. it's overwhelming. check the science. >> howard dean what's your response? >> i think he's right about most things but i still come down on the side of legalization. when i was governor i opposed it because of all the things that bill just said. i think it's not harmless drug.

however, what turned me around on it is a book called "the ju anymore crowe" by a woman nad michelle alexander who basically shows because of our pot laws we are making it impossible for a huge percentage of minority kids to the inner city to ever work in the above groundwork force. and we've waited for a long time to change those laws and make them more reasonable and decriminal skaigs andization and all this stuff. i actually come at this from the point of view of social justice. i don't think it's harmless. i think it is better than alcohol but that's a relative thing. i also believe that we just can't go on the way we're going on. people's lives are being ruined because they smoked h a joint. >> isn't that a criminal justice issue instead of legalization issue? handle it there. don't legalize it for everybody. >> no. it's a criminal justice issue and nothing has been done about it for 30 years. time is up. just like education. time is up. >> .3 of 1% of people in state

prisons are there for marijuana possession. 1.2% of people in federal prisons -- sorry, in state prisons are there for marijuana possession. average amount of possession 115 pounds. people do not go to jail for smoking a joint. >> that's a fact. statistics but i come at it from a different point of view. poor, minority kid, lousy education and you have a record whether it's a misdemeanor or whatever it is you are never going to work because why would you get hired. that is the problem. >> well, again, people don't get these records for just smoking marijuana. >> they certainly do. they get records for possessing a joint when they empty their pockets in the street at the bequest of the police. >> it doesn't disquaul fee people from any job including president of the united states and running for president of the united states. if you want to wreck a life, expose them to marijuana early on. this the an irony. noo football helmets, you know early childhood education, feet

tall alcohol syndrome, then you're going to expose kids to this marijuana which will again, start at 14 years old, use marijuana once a week and you will lose eight iq points. that does that do for the poor minority kid? >> speaking of losing the eight iq points now, it's my turn. but to the point that governor dean raised and i'm not equipped to argue the medical stuff. i agree with you on most of it. the amount of time wasted by police officers in large cities boston, new york philadelphia, in just grabbing kids for marijuana possession, never mind a record or what happens to them down the road, just the amount of time wasted by cops. >> you can spend it early, spend it later. pay me now or pay me later. talk to the child psychiatrists i'm heading to denver next week they will tell you how they're spending their team. seen the advertise for marijuana in colorado candy bar, oreo bars chocolate bar, it's an epidemic.

again, i don't understand howard's argument here. i would much rather be busted and go to a drug court and then your record can be wiped clean than be exposed to this stuff for a extended period of time. >> this has a lot to do with race. if you're a white middle class kid that's what happens to you and your record gets wiped clean. if you're black or hispanic living in the inner city that's not what happens to you. you never get a job. >> as i said before, howard that's not a pair marry problem. if there's a problem in arresting and sentencing straightening that out. mrs. disoperate arrests in the black community for everything. back to missouri. you know that's just the way it is. that's a problem perhaps with policing that's a problem with prosecutorial discretion. it doesn't make marijuana any less harmful. >> you want to make a point. we got to go. >> at times it feels like you're talking about alcohol which is pref lent prevalent and causing huge

problems and kids are going down the tubes because of alcohol abuse. if you're going to have pot banned and continue that you should actually hit alcohol. >> you can't do anything about it. that's -- excuse the expression out of the bottle. society protects itself when it can. you started your show with the two accidents is. the airplane and the quoor. do you want them smoking marijuana or drinking? neither one. smoke a cigarette or smoking marijuana and getting behind the wheel of the car. we're seeing that increase in accidents, too. >> bill bennett, thank you. howard, thank you as well. up next why carl rove is cheering on the democrats on capitol hill. what? democrats?

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must read op-eds political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman, heard ford jr. >> harold who said -- are you on bennett's side or howard dean's side? >> i don't think we could legalize it but dpover in dean is right we've got the change the way minority kids are treated. i don't think it should be legalesed. i think he's right about the harm it causes. >> i think it does have long-term harm opposed to alcohol which does have permanent harm but in terms of the affect on the brain. >> why hasn't heilhan mere? >> he's high. you know, if you go into my town there are kids with pot in their pockets that will never, ever ever pay a price for it. you go into new york city especially at like i don't know, certain areas of new york city. >> the bronx, parts of brooklyn yeah. >> 46th precinct and a couple of really you know nice young kids who were thrown in jail for having pot in their pockets. and they're thrown out of school

for weeks and probably don't have the best home life and it's just not fair. it's just not fair. >> that should be corrected. >> that needs to be corrected now. legalizing or not. "wall street journal," the budget is only one of this year's battle grounds. this is carl rove. this is interesting. sending a democrat to defeat in 2016. seeding a democratic defeat. the budget is only one of this year's battlegrounds and neither side will emerge unscathed. senate democrats will score points as they deny republicans the 60 votes they need to pass a homeland security funding bill that blocks mr. obama's immigration executive orders but this will be a short-term boost. the year's arc is set. led by their subborn and ideologically rigid president democrats will on strubt popular republican proposals in congress. if this keeps pushing middle class and working class voters towards the gop, it could help republicans win their first presidential election in a dozen years. >> harold a debate yesterday

with james carville. >> i saw it. >> talking about how if you talk about the climate alarmist talk about a lot of the extremes on others issues where the climate alarmists are on the other side of the afl-cio, on the other side of the teamsters, on the other side of working class democrat and these are -- everybody believes in climate change and believes that it's manmade. but the democratic party, there have been people like james carville who have been telling me off camera, they won't tell me on-camera, they think the democratic party is lurching so far left that they're actually going to lose working class voters and they're very concerned. >> whatever -- i saw your interview and it was good yesterday. whatever your thoughts about what obama said in his state of the union message, some of it i liked, a lot of it didn't like. one take away that both parties should take about it. raising wages and creating jobs do those things. what's happening in washington

today, you saw that s.e.c. chair come on regulate the utility. that's not going to create higher paying jobs. stifling investment. reduce taxes on small businesspeople. republican want to -- government, i'm old-fashioned. quoing are you are, too. we believe government can work. you've got to come together and compromise if you want it to happen. if you're serious going forward about energy legislation, alternative, the president out to sign keystone. it was his own state department that said it would not exacerbate the carbon footprint. now they argue 35 jobs. the pipeline is a good thing. it will put more oil in the global markets, lower prices and it's a safer way to transport these oil products petroleum products other than putting them on rail or by sea. put it underground and get it done. >> the state department said it was the most environmentally safe way forward. >> these are their words. >> the state department the president of the state department says keystone is

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you've heard the experts, not just average joes say it was the worst call ever. >> it was the result of a call ever. the call would have been a great one if we catch it it would have been just fine and nobody would have thought about it. >> properly planned.

>> we knew we were going to throw the ball one time in the sequence somewhere. and all of the sudden they had a goal line group of defense on there that we could take advantage of the we threw it so we did. it just didn't turn out right. >> take me become to when you weren't right. i watched your expression as you saw that play unfold and you bent over at the waist and my heart broke for you, to be perfectly honest. how were you feeling inside? >> immediately, i mean within the instant of the turnover, the graph gravity of what just happened, i understood. and there's only a second or two before you stand up and start looking ahead and getting ready for what's coming. >> certainly have to feel sorry for him, for any coach. he is a remarkable coach. so we don't want to second-guess him. let's second-guess. if you're going to throw a pass you do not throw a bass r pass into the middle of the line on the 1 yard line where everybody

is clumped together. ifout want to throw a pass do a play action. stick it into your -- lynch's gut. pull it out. everybody is going to shove to the middle and, toss it to a guy who, i don't know chris matthews, 6'5" and has been outjumping it. i'm sorry. mike i -- he's a great coach. that's a no-brainer. to throw a slant in where you're slanting in to the heart of the defense. >> yeah, and you have a quarterback, obviously, very skilled quarterback at running, at using the option. i understand they're worried about the clock, the time is ticking down. it's pro pos strauss with marshawn lynch right there. >> there are few things you can say are almost certain, willie. it's almost certain, if you run a play action up the middle you take it -- you fake it to lynch where everybody in america thinks he's going to run. you pull it out. they go in. then at least you have a shot of

throwing it to the corner of the end zone with your 6'5" wide receiver. he'll either catch it or it will be knocked down. >> or throw it out of bounds. >> it's not going to be an interception. >> it was the wrong call, with we all know that. if he throws a quick slant for a quick touchdown, everyone says he's a genius. they caught the patriots off guard. they were in the wrong formation and they exposed that, what a great move. but at the end of the day you've got to trust what's great about your team. you've got to trust the guys who got you there. number 24, there's no way that if you give him two or three chances he's not going to find a way to get one. >> if he doesn't score, you say, we gave it to our best guy. >> exactly. >> you know i feel bad for pete carroll. >> he was going tv to throw it at some point because they only have the one time-out. maybe it wasn't there but on third down. >> if you look at the clip again, even had the pass been completed he is not in. she not? >> it's crazy stuff. anyway, the most watched television event in u.s. history and what an incredible ending.

>> incredible game. new details are emerging about tuesday night's train accident north of new york city's left six people dead. investigators are still trying to determine how exactly an suv ended up on a railroad crossing as a packed metro-north train was speeding through the town of valhalla. that's where we find tom kes costello who has the latest developments. >> reporter: the first arriving fire and ems units found a scene of carnage, twisted wreckage fire and smoke and passengers climbing through windows desperate to escape a burning train. >> more ambulances are required for carver sus crane motor vehicular accident. >> reporter: it happened at 6:30 p.m., rush hour on the packed metro-north train line who serves new york city's northern commuter towns. witnesses say an suv was sitting very near to tracks when the train crossing arm came down on the car. the driver a mother of three, got out to check for damage and

inched forward right on the pat of an oncoming train, exploding on impact. as train carried the suv 1,000 feet down the tracks the trail was ripped through tearing into the first train car. passenger chris gross was inside. >> flames came up. we're about a foot away from my face. after that happened, you know people are screaming, crying. >> we got one possibly trapped in the train possibly alive. i've got doas in the train as well. multiple injuries. >> reporter: in all, six people were killed including the driver of the suv. 15 people injured, some seriously. >> the lacerations, contusion, crush injuries open fractures, dislocations, smoke inhalation and flame burn injuries. >> reporter: through the day the suv remayed embedded in the front of the train as ntsb investigators arrived on the scene. witnesses told police the driver may have been stuck in traffic, trapped on the tracks when the train approached. >> she turns, walks and gets

back in the car. slight hesitation. she -- and then moves forward and at that instant the train came. >> reporter: piecing together how the accident happened will be part of the ntsb investigation. >> was there any indication that the crossing signal or crossing arms were not working properly? >> this point we have no ipd indication to believe that they were -- that they were doing anything other than operating properly. >> reporter: the dead include the suv driver 49-year-old ellen brodie 53-year-old eric vandercar, a father of two, and 69-year-old walter liedke you're rater at the metro on the theater of art. >> 36-year-old robert durks, he was a married father of two and a research scientist. 41-year-old tomar of danbury, connecticut, 42-year-old joseph nadal of new york were also killed in the crash. both were employees of jp morgan. and such a sad story, the

three daughters of -- ellen brodie's three daughters waiting at home for the news hoping against hope and finally at 1:30 in the morning their dad comes back home and says, mom is gone. and just a sad story. and, my gosh again, you read in the "new york times" about her trying to move forward, people telling her to back up. and you just don't know exactly what happened in those last moments. >> the guy who was behind her who was flashing his lights and honking, yelling for her to back up he saw the train coming me said he then moved his car back to give her more room to back up off the tracks. it seems to me watching that i don't think she knew she was on the tracks. otherwise you don't get out and check for damage. >> right. >> certainly not going to second-guess her as her family goes through this. just a terrible accident. >> terrible. get to another major story. the death toll from yesterday's

plane crash in taiwan now stands at 31. 15 people have been hospitalized. another 12 are still missing. as the search for survivors continues, the pilot is being credited for steering the plane away from populated areas likely saving more lives. nbc's ian williams has the latest. >> reporter: the dramatic typal moments captured by the dash cams of passing cars. the transasia twin prop plane clipping an elevated roadway before slamming into the river below. 58 passengers and crew trapped in the fuselage. upside-down and half underwater. rescuers rushed to the scene. a young child, among the firsts of more than a dozen pulled to safety. a massive operation, painstakingly extracting survivors as an anxious crowd gathered on the river bachk. survivors were rushed to local hospitals. on the elevated roadway debris where the plane hit and a battered taxi, the same one that can be seen just ahead in this

dash cam video. the driver and passenger stunned but alive. the video shows the plane narrowly missing nearby apartment midbuildings. fueling speculation that the pilot deliberately swerved to avoid them. the plane went down just two minutes after taking off from taipei's songshan airport. the posted online the pilot's recorded distress call. engine flame out, he said. suggesting possible engine trouble. >> the propellers you can see there's, this one is spinning at a faster speed than this one. you can see all four blades here and they're almost stopped or much slower than this one. >> this indicates that this engine is producing power while this one may very well not be producing power. >> reporter: the cause should be known shoonoon. the black boxes have already been recovered. the battered fuselage was hoisted from the river as search continues for the missing with

the death toll almost certain to rise. >> you know, willie, there's a moment in that piece that we saw where there was a toddler that was being held by his father. >> that is most amazing story. >> this father came out okay. and he tell tsz story of going down a plane with his wife and his toddler. he finds himself crawling of the of the wreckage, finds his wich. they can't find their toddler. after three minutes, looks over and sees the toddler floating if the water. blue unconscious. and the dad right then and there, there he is performs cpr on his child and saves the little kid's life. and kid is going to be okay. the parents are okay. and i mean first of all, the luck to be able to pop up out of the water, find your own way out of the wreckage and find your kid and perform cpr to save him. he said it's my only child. that kid was not going to die that day. >> mike you look at the flight path that went right by apartment buildings. it's certainly obvious that this pilot did pitch it sharp left.

had he not pitched it that sharp left, they would have rammed right into an apartment building. everybody would have been dead on the plane and probably in the apartment building. >> there's a whole row of apartment buildings he avoided. >> people in that cab. >> incredible story, made much more incredible by the video we've been looking at. >> when you look at where he landed, such a small margin of error to land in that stream. if he landed on the ground 20 feet or 30 feet probably one direction, the whole plane would most likely blow up. everybody inside would have been incinerated. it was a remarkable landing. all right. let's photo politics now. in wisconsin, wisconsin governor scott walker leading a new poll out of new hampshire. he's ahead of jeb bush by seven points with senator rand paul a distant third. two weeks ago walker had just 8% support with a generic someone else beating everyone except

romney. "the washington post" reports walker has built a big network of donors in all 50 states thanks to running three campaigns in the last four years. >> pretty remarkable. scott walker goes out to iowa. to steve king's summit. a lot of people don't do too well. the reports are that walker is by in far, the best out there. and we see this quick turn around in polls. it seems, harold that republicans are really right now eager to find somebody to be their front-runner. >> i think they're eager to listen to someone new here different ideas. barn anything bar he said the real changes he's trying to collect on bargaining rules is whether or not jobs are created and wages are going up in wisconsin. people in wisconsin liked what he was able to do. mitt romney's exit from this campaign believes he should move

the party in a new direction. you want to hear voices like walker and casey and rubio. walker seems calm when he speaks. with when we scrutinize him there will be things people may not be as comfortable with. but if you're jeb bush and you look at that poll i don't think he should be too upset with that. i don't imagine jeb bush getting above in any poll. >> jeb is building an organization. >> exactly. >> that's built for the long run. >> exactly. >> getting through iowa new hampshire, south carolina. >> even if he loses a few. >> that's right. the southern states. by the time they go back north to the midwest and northeast shs jeb is still there and all of these other people have fall loan off. that's their calculation. they're probably right. >> i'd wonder what you guys think of this. troubling signs for new jersey governor chris christie. a new monmouth university poll shows 66% believe he is more concerned with his political future and then governing the state. more than half say governor

christie does not have the right temperament. >> mike barnicle? >> tough numbers in your state. >> that's not surprising. mike dukakis runs for president. your home state says, no, you committed to being governor, whatever. what bothers me about governor chris christie's potential run for president is he panders to certain -- >> in what way? >> the vaccination stuff that popped up, you know, when he was in london. i mean this -- you know come on. come on. just -- >> no hypocrisy because he criticized the lay day who came back from the ebola areas and said she would be put in a certain area. what's that word called? politics. >> it's now the second story where science has gotten in the way of politics. >> contrast the last two guys we talked about. walker, not a lot of people in

the country know anything about. he's able to come out and introduce himself. he made a budget speech yesterday where he started building his personal story. i was a dishwasher worked at mcdonald's. chris christie a lot of americans already know some things. what they know is whether it's fair or not, the bridgegate story, they know he's a little bomb bombbastic, they've seen him on youtube. walker is a clean slate. >> i wouldn't count christie out though. >> no. >> nobody is counting chris christie out. he is a fighter. we'll ewhat happens. you know? maybe in iowa maybe in new hampshire. who knows. all right. u.s. congressman aaron schock says he will repay the decorating costs of his capitol hill office. the illinois republican came under fire after a "washington post" story detailed a makeover by an interior designer with a theme inspired by the pbs series "downton abbey" complete with

red walls and pheasant feathers. the services were donated by members of congress cannot accept gifts valued at more than $50. i'm actually surprised this happened. >> i'm actuallying la inging looking at this. i wouldn't even pay $50. >> stop it joe. >> i think that maybe -- >> big for that picture, frame. by the way. >> maybe a -- >> they need to switch that out. >> by my standard that may be worth a cup of coffee. >> aaron schock by the way -- >> nice try. buy me a cup of coffee and i'll cool. >> this is the crazy part though. he's never seen the show. >> he says he's never seen "downton abbey" and land the office inspiration about it after reading the "post" report. who cares. red walls with the frames who don't fit pictures. he also quoted taylor swift saying haters are going to hate. >> hate hate hate hate hate. >> i was thinking do you want that to be the office that you welcome people. i don't know. i think that might have been --

>> his taste. >> the famous line in politics where you ask how it's going to play in peoria he is the congressman from peoria. we should ask people in peoria. >> we have two former congressmen here. any theme to your office? >> yes. >> joe's looked like "cheers." >> my office was, you know, you put up pictures of the district man. you put up -- and you make sure the frames fit the pictures. but i put up pictures of the -- of my kids, i put up pictures of the district i put up -- >> barbecue sauce. >> the military bases, had some shots of -- what you want when people go into your office you want it to almost be like an advertisement for your district because you have a lot of influential people coming in and you want them to ask questions. where is this? this is in destin or seaside. you wouldn't believe how

beautiful beaches are there. this is the naval air museum in pensacola. it's remarkable. and, i don't know about you -- >> i had a fedex plane, all of my stuff. >> you want people to talk about your office. they come in and while you're having a meeting with all of these movers and shakers that run k street and one rest you're constantly saying hey, come down to my -- >> conversation pieces. >> you'll like that come down. >> in fairness -- >> jimmy buffet's margaritaville on pensacola beach, the flora-bama. >> aaron schock may have all of these things. you just have to part the pheasant feathers. >> mcgwire's. >> were your walls off white color they have? >> no. i changed my color theme. it was flaming pink. i thought it would get people's attention. pink and green. >> did it? >> of course it did. >> okay. >> no it was -- i don't know what it was. i think it was -- i think it was

stalinist gray. one of those government building shades. but, no, i don't understand why anybody would do that in their office. i'm sure that aaron was shocked. >> oh, my god. still ahead on "morning joe," actor jason lee joins us in our 8:30 half hour. >> is this guy not the coolest dude? >> funny man. plus, the ladies of the skim which mads for 30 under 30 list earlier this year. these ladies are amazing. >> they have 500,000 people getting -- >> it's theskim.com. isn't it? >> certainly at least in the places i do it is a cultural phenomenon especially for women. >> two smart women. >> they are smart. they're aggressive in a good way, which i think is fantastic. it's the only way this has happened for them. i remember when it started. we'll have their story coming up. when salesman alan ames books his room at laquinta.com, he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so he knows exactly when he can check in and power up before his big meeting. and when alan gets

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neurological development was significantly interrupted in infancy. it said that result i'd in an awe autistic disorder which affects all of this decisions. the analysis is based on his defensive behavior and facial expressions in large social settings. studies stresses that this is just a theory that can only be proven with a brain scan. it is unclear if the pentagon has acted on the information. >> yeah. i mean i don't think they know. i just think they know. i don't think it really matters. the dude is worth $200 billion m and nobody can talk sense into him. >> i wonder if there were any doctors involved in this? >> i think so. it's kind of interesting. >> throwing it out there. >> yeah. by the way, north korea's dictator, big problem with gouters. and the cia think it's gouters that is making him act. >> is that right? >> a little crazy. >> what's your problem?

>> well, it's going to be a long segment. >> i can't talk about it right now. >> let's go to the dealer. >> i have an appointment next week that could make bruce jenner's look tepid. >> cleveland police officers soon will be equipped with body cameras. the department unvealed the null policy yesterday. cleveland brought -- bought 1500 cameras last month and officers are being trained on how to use them. police officials say the technology will increase transparency and accountability. >> we think that's great. >> absolutely. >> i love this. a lot of these new york body cameras, clevecleveland, a terrible tragedy there. we need to see the body cameras. we need to see what the cops see. as we've always said that's great for good cops that's great for citizens. it's only bad for bad cops. >> yeah. >> okay. the hollywood reporter there is new gossip out of hollywood about a top secret "star wars" film with an oscar

nominated actress picked for the lead. >> really? >> reports say felicity jones will star in the new film which has lucas films and disney tight lipped. sources say jones will play the lead characterer in a breakout film for the iconic franchise set for release in 2016. for now disney has no comment. insiders say she attended aer is series of readings and screen tests. >> is seven done? >> yes. >> is that for eight? guys, let's figure that out. this is important to my kids and me. >> jack is obsessed with "star wars." >> disney spent, what $4 billion. >> for lucas? >> yeah for lucas to go out and trash talk him. but they get the right to these disney films. i think they're going to be putting one out a year. you know what? they're going to be good. >> yes, they are. >> they are going to be really good. if you love "star wars" like my family loves "star wars."

your family loves "star wars." >> yeah. we just got into it. we haven't watched the three most recent. number one, the jar jar thing, i don't want to spoil it the whole franchise for my kids. and the later ones are more violent. there are some parts where it's a little dark. >> you know what i saw -- i showed jack and he was fine with it. >> he was? >> i think he was ready for it because we had seen "good fellas" and "casino" right before that. and then we're going to be doing it this week. we're going to watch all five seasons of "breaking bad." jack is gonna love it. >> "national born killers" to break it up. >> he's going to love that. "washington post" -- >> it's not true mom. >> morsi voted against a bill. >> this is interesting. but there's a conflict of interest here, willie. >> some are calmling it a conflict of interest. he's in jail for an alleged affair with his underage

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pilot alive. now, nbc just showed a picture of his head down. others showed a freeze frame with a frame starting to encircle him. others described it. i think shep smith on fox described it frame by frame without showing it. very compelling television. and then you can go online to some news websites that actually show the entire thing. >> what do you think? >> i would be uncomfortable showing the entire thing on television because of the nature of the audience. i think people should have the ability to see it on a link with a news organization. i think we should have shown more here. i think we should have shown him standing there with the flames surrounding him because you really do get a better grasp of the evil that we're facing. but then again, i'm the guy, i still wonder why we sanitize what happened on 9/11 by not

showing the horror of the moment that the planes hit the towers or when the towers were crashing. and the reason i say that is because the world would have been better served if we had seen the horrors of auschwitz in i think have of 1942 instead of the spring of 1945. likewise, you look at the beginning of the war. we certainly had no problem showing all of our ships blown up and sinking in pearl harbor. i think you show the face of evil, not to whip emotions up, not for propaganda purposes on either side but because it happened. that's the news. and we need to see the face and the results of what evil has done. >> so in covering the news you're supposed to cover reality. >> right. >> you're supposed to cover it objectively, fairly and accurately. i think we sanitize the news all the time with.

we don't even show the car accidents. what if it's the result of drunk driving. >> you agree with that mika? >> no i struggle with it every day. i strug with the decision we made as a network. i understand it completely. i think there are -- it is so -- it's going to be a conversation that we're going to constantly have. >> let me ask you. for instance, the planes crashing into the towers on 9/11. that was sanitized pretty quickly. that reality, unlike pearl harbor we still see it. what do you think of that decision to keep those pictures off of network television? >> i understand it. i think -- the problem and the question you will have to ask yourself always is are you covering the news or are you repetitively driving a message to you know promote a terrorist campaign. i think it's one thing obviously on the day of 9/11 and in the in the days after. i was down there. we showed it. we covered it. we showed a lot of things that day. >> let's say you wanted to do a package quled and you did on the

face on evil and we showed hitler marching. i think something that would fit appropriately would be the planes crashing into the twin towers. i think if we had to do that though we would have had to talk to nbc newsstand dards and a lot of people wringing their hands and saying can we do this. >> which they should. >> i don't think so. that's a historic event. >> i think we should think about it and talk about it. >> most significant historic events. those minutes between 9:00 and 9:15 forever changed the way we live in this country. >> and at appropriate times -- >> right, when it's appropriate. >> and we should talk about it and make sure it's the right time and place to show it. we show it every year on the anniversary. we show it in realtime. i think that's appropriate. it's a discussion that has to be had. >> more specific comparison with nefb 9/11, because the planes hitting the building is one of the most horrifying things we've ever seen but it's in a distance and in a lot of ways you don't see people. do you watch people jump 100

stories to their death off the world trade center which is more like watching a man burn alive on the. i agree with you maybe the still with the flames around it, but a viewer at home watching "morning joe" at 7:15 having breakfast with probably the kids probably shouldn't have that thrust upon them without a warning at least or here's the image if you want to see this whole thing. >> the image of the flame? >> the flame, the pilot from jordan. if you want here's the image. if you want to see the rest of it, it's on our website. >> go to the website. what do you think, will? >> i think too often we attach value to journalism beyond its fairly clear purpose. i don't think journalism should indulge too many debates on virtue, on taste, on sympathy. i think jerusalemournalism has a pursuit, and that is the truth. this video reflects the truth. i don't think we should ask our questions about whether or not we're uncomfortable with it. i don't think we should ask ourselves whether or not it's the face of evil or not or whether or not we should mobilize against it. it is simple the video in its

purest form, the truth. that happened. it's our job to show the truth. >> robert gibbs, what do you think? >> joe, i think i'm with you on this. i think we should probably show a little bit more. i think we should give people the option of showing what they want to. i'm sympathetic to sitting and watching television with a child and making sure that there's appropriate warning because, look, there may be people that want to see the truth or want to know about the truth but they may not want to see it right there in their living rooms at this moment. i think the one thing that's going to be hard about this there's never going to be one easy standard about this that you can put down in writing but somehow doesn't get mod lated as we see either different news events or different videos from terrorists because my hunch ask that on the 9/11 videos you know we do that as much for the victims of what happened on that day and not having them relive it less not wanting to see truth or the face of evil.

>> robert and then will talk about being perhaps inside the white house and knowing a certain repetitive image is promulgating a terrorist campaign or the enemy in some way. it's frustrating when it's used in a way that's quite frankly unnecessary and repetitively maybe perhaps to get ratings. >> well, look i recall the crazy pastor in florida that was going to burn the koran and had, you know, the huge billboards that he was going to do this and, you know you had satellite trucks from networks standing in front of these billboards saying he was going to do this. we know it incited people throughout the world. and we actually took steps and had secretary gates call and try to persuade him not to do it because, quite frankly, it was going to potentially cause harm

to people that wore our uniform overseas. that's an example of what they well be the truth. propagating that image in this country but certainly throughout the world was only going to inflame tensions pointless to inflame. >> you're shaking your head at robert's -- >> well, with all due respect to robert, i just find it unseenly if you're getting calls from the white house about what you should or should not be saying. if you're getting calls from government officials about what you should be saying. look b i just don't think we need to overcomplicate this. i want to be and am sensitive to is this comfortable with morning television and conversations about making warnings for the viewers. that's appropriate. but to the point where we are choosing not to show the truth or to mask it by making it look i guess, lesses unpleasant than it was. you're not giving the public your core duty which is to tell them what's going on in the

world. sometimes the journalism gets to comfort the inflicted and afflict the comfortable. it's not. our job is simply to tell the truth. >> robert, that's always been a tension obviously between major newspapers and white house who will say, hey, please don't reveal this information, please don't talk about this campaign. american lives might be lost. >> sure. >> that's a discussion that's been going on for 200 years. >> well, there's no doubt about it, it's going to continue for at least 200 more. the only thing i would say to will is the number of people sitting in your studio is not a whole lot different than the number of people that attended that pastor's so-called church. this guy was nothing but a publicity stunt that we know when he threatened to do this aide workers in foreign countries were killed because of it. >> that's a debate about its newsworthiness though. >> there's no reason to show that. there's no reason to put a satellite truck in front of it

because, quite frankly, if you start doing that then i would suggest networks start buying a lot more satellite trucks for more publicity stunts. >> robert gibbs, thank you. will thank you. >> interesting. >> five seconds. we got to go. >> one big reali the is you can get it all online in a second. coming up next mika fascinating story. >> yes. >> out of san francisco. >> yes. book store in san francisco survived the rise of barnes and noble, border amazon and e- e-books. so why is it closing its doors now after having its best year ever in 201? the reason is one that could affect businesses across the country.

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here with us now from san francisco, founder of borderland's books. alan is closing his independent book store after san francisco voesed to raise the city's minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2018. alan, thanks for being with us. so you're closing because you can't afford to pay higher than minimum wage? >> well, not exactly. it's not that i can't afford to pay higher than minimum wage but i can't afford to pay minimum wage that gets that high. >> minimum wage down at $7.15 and now, of course this jumps it up to $15. we said before in the lead-in that you could survive amazon you could survive barnes and noble, borders, e-books, all of these other things. what was it about it being jumped up to $15 an hour that was just too much for you to take as small businessperson? >> well, i should probably clarify the minimum wage in december was $10.74.

so it's not quite as big a jump as from $7 to $15. but the long-term costs just end up getting too high. about two years from now i will be running in the red. it will get worse from there. >> how many employees do you have? >> five not including myself. >> and are -- okay. so are all five of those minimum wage employees? >> no. >> so how many minimum wage employees do you have? >> three. >> so right now it's $11.05 and it's going to jump up in july of 2018 to $15 an hour. how is the threat of the continued rise -- how does it not just impact you but impact small business owners that you've talked to? >> well, it's a potential challenge for almost all the small business owners i've talked to. it's especially acute for book stores because unlike most businesses that can slowly raise the prices to make up for the difference what i sell has a price printed on it.

i can't really adjust my prices. >> so, alan, what presents more of a problem for you? is it the potential hike in the minimum wage a threat to your business, or is it the increasing growth of online shopping for books and things like that, which is crushing so many book stores independent book stores? what's the bigger problem? >> i would say that the stores that are going to be crushed by online sales have been crushed already. i think all of the stores in business now are in business because people choose to shop there and they're not likely to switch to online purchasing. that happened a few years ago. so certainly the problem that my business is facing right now is that the minimum wage is going up. >> you -- we had reported before, tell wlus this is correct or not, that actually 2014 you had your best year as a businessman. >> actually i think 2013 because i haven't finished closing the books for 2014. but certainly 2013 was our best year thus far. >> okay. >> let me ask you a question. when you look at the numbers, $5

an hour for three employees, means $15 more an hour. multiply that times eight or nine-hour workday. are there other associated costs that you face in addition to the $4.95 rise? health care costs, unemployment insurance costs, is the higher cost than what we're looking at on paper, some may say $15 more an hour. >> for three employees. >> that shouldn't put you under. >> there must be something create aggregator pressure. >> not particularly. i mean, it doesn't have to be -- i mean this is a 39% increase in my cost of wages for my three minimum wage employees. and obviously i can't give them you know continue increasing their wages and not increase the wage for example, of the general manager of the company. so her wages have to go up as well. so basically it's about 39% increase across the board. >> gotcha. >> there are other costs associated with that. but it's the 39% that is what matters.

>> all right. thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. good luck. >> thank you. you know he does bring up a good point. when you raise point. when you raise the wages of one employee, two ploem semployees, three employees you have to raise the wage of other employees mika you sat there with a scowl on your face as you look at the side of my face. >> it's not the side of your face. >> if you talk to small business owners operating on small margins and have fixed -- have books that they can't raise, it may not seem like a big thing to -- >> right. >> midsize or large businesses but if you run a small business and you have to increase the minimum wage of three employees to $11 and then $15 that's a deal-killer for people with small margins. you may not like that.

maybe you think these type of businesses should go out of business if they can't pay $15 an hour, but this is -- this is going to happen. >> he should get other tax breaks. all these small business guys raising these taxes have small margin, can't change prices. local and federal government have to be creative. i'd rather have employees than other taxes going to -- there's a way to do this. >> far different from going from $7 to $15 or $9 or $9.30. you start going from the federal standard of $7.15 up to over $11, i can tell you, any small business owner you talk to will tell you, that's crushing. and then if it's a truly small business, three, four five employees, then the threat of jacking it up to $15, you're like -- i can't. i can't do that i..

>> i understand it's complicated. it was very black and white and major corporations are paying large numbers of people a ridiculously low salary. >> you're talking about major corporations. >> i don't think that helps the debate. >> i'm talking small business owners. >> that's what my face says. >> i think that's an extraordinarily important part of the debate because we never in manhattan in georgetown in l.a., we never talk to small business owners like that. and you scoff at -- oh it's only three employees. guess what? you scratch and claw and run a small business. you have trouble making payroll every two weeks. you have trouble dealing with all of the regulations that are thrown on you by the local, the state, the federal government and you're got to do that yourself, because you can't afford for other people do it. i mean i've been there. the law office where you're pacing every two weeks. you open it up and you're trying to make payroll every two weeks.

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morning, guise. we'll start right here in new york. new details are emerging about tuesday night's train accident. north of new york city that left six people dead. investigateors are still trying to term exactly how an suv ended up on a railway crossing as a packed metro north train was speeding through the town of have a hal valhalla. tom costello is with us grorngtood morning to you. they've moved the train further down the tracks beginning the frausz of process of removing all that off the tracks. identifying people who did not make it out alive. the first arriving fire and ems units found a scene of carnage, twisted wreckage fire and smoke, and passengers climbing through windows desperate to escape a burning train.

>> -- more ambulances are required for a car versus train accident. >> reporter: it happened at 6:00 p.m. rush hour. >> smoke billowing from everywhere. >> reporter: and suv was sitting very near the tracks when the train crossing arm came down on the car. the driver a mother of three, got ow to check for damage and inched forward exploding on impact. as the train carried the suv 1,000 feet down the tracks the lem tra electrified rail was freed. >> flames came up about a foot way from my face. after that happened people are screaming, crying. >> one possible trapped in the train. i got a doa on the train as well. both injure ed. >> reporter: in all, six people killed including the driver of the suv. 15 people injured. some seriously. >> lacerations, contusions

crush injuries, open fractures. dislocations. smoke inhalation and flame burn injure it. >> reporter: through the day, the suv remained embedded in the front of the train as ntsb investigators arrived on the scene. witnesses told police the driver may have been stuck in traffic, trapped on the tracks when the train approached. >> turn, walks, get back in the car. slight hesitation. and then moves forward and at that instant the train came. >> reporter: piecing together how the accident happened will be part of the ntsb investigation. >> is there any indication that the crossing signals for crossing arms or signals were not working properly. >> at this point we have no reason to believe they were doing anything other than operating operatorly. >> reporter:ed dead include the suv driver a father of two, and 69-year-old, a curator at the metropolitan museum of art.

metro north has been under scrutiny over a series of accidents including one that killed one. learning what they saw an tuesday night. mika back to you. >> tom costello thank you. another victim we are learning more about, 36-year-old robert dirkse a married father of two and a research scientist. 41-year-old aditya tommar and 42-year-old joseph nadal of new york also killed in the crash. both employees of jpmorgan. it's just an incredibly horrific story and perplexing what happened. >> it really is perplexing and this train line just cuts right through where we all live. >> and also right near -- i spent a lot of time there. >> in the community, so many people. >> there's a hospital right there, where they went. the westchester medical center with so many injured. i know it well.

>> you drive through -- >> amazing. >> you drive through this area and have you had -- i know in my town where the train comes through, it's by a station, so it's pretty slow when it's going through, but were there places through where, you know -- because you've lived in westchester and -- >> i don't understand. >> -- have there ever been times you've been in a close call or known people in a close call? >> no. this is -- >> seems unusual. >> it does. >> you know, i think a lot of people rightfully so looking at the history of metro north. the more you hear about think the more it sounds like this woman on the tracks had nothing to do with the train i don't think. >> right. >> we'll van investigation, but the woman on the tracks in the "new york times," a harrowing account from the one eyewitness behind her. and talks about screaming, back up back up and he backed his own car up to give her space to back up and he said i'll never know why, but she got back in

the car and droeshve forward instead of back. >> could be sheer panic. >> i've done that. >> unusual to my memory to events like this is the fire on the train itself. that -- to me -- raises a whole series of questions. why did the first car become engulfed in flames? >> maybe something to do with that third rail, ripped up penetrated the car, dragged several hundred yards. >> crazy. just crazy. the other major disaster, the death toll from yesterday's plane crash in taiwan yesterday stands at 31. 15 hospitalized. another 12 still missing. as the search for survivors continues the pilot is being credited for steering the plane away from populated areas likely saving more lives. nbc's ian williams reports. >> reporter: the dramatic final moments captured by the dashcams of passing cars.

the transasia twin prop plane clipping an elevated roadway before slamming into the river below. 58 passengers and crew trapped in the fuselage upside-down and half under water. rescuers rushed to the scene. a young child among the first of more than a dozen pulled to safety. a massive operation, painstakingly extracting survivors as an anxious crowd gathered on the river bank. survivors rushed to local hospitals. on the elevated roadway, debris where the plane hit. and battered taxi the same one that could be seen just ahead in this dashcam video. the driver and passenger stunned but alive. the video shows the plane narrowly missing nearby apartment buildings. >> ah! >> reporter: fueling speculation that the pilot deliberately swerved to avoid them. the plane went down just two minutes after taking off from taipei's songshan airport. 3069 posted online, a distress call.

>> mayday. >> reporter: engine flameout he said suggesting possible engine trouble. >> the propellers, you can see, this one is spinning at a faster speed than this one. you can see all four blades here, and they're almost stopped or much slower than this one. this indicates that this engine is producing power while this one may very well not be producing power. >> reporter: the cause should be known soon. the black boxes have already been recovered. the battered fuselage was hoisted from the river as the search continues for the missing. with the death toll almost certain to rise. >> joining us from beijing, ian williams. what's the effort there especially on the pilot, we suspected yesterday the way he pitched the plane, to avoid the buildings, the bridge and put it down in the water? what else are you hearing than? >> reporter: that been confirmed, willie although that issal theory and certainly looking at those dramatic pictures it just seemed that he

went out of his way to avoid those tall apartment blocks just beside that elevated roadway. missing them narrowly and steering the plane down and into the river. a big loss of life yes, 31 people so far confirmed. 12 still missing, were tutit could have been far, far worse had it plowed into one of those buildings. now, they've continued today to pull debris out of the river. large parts of the aircraft. as they look to try and locate those 12 people still missing, but divers and officials say the water is very murky, and it's moving very fast which is hampered their efforts. interestingly, that recording that we heard yesterday, mayday mayday, mayday suggesting also there was an engine problem. that had been recorded by an think i69s website, although a well-regarded one. today officials confirmed that that is genuine. so that does point towards

engine problems. the engines were pulled out of the river today. so investigators now have them. they also now have the black box. so theoretically, it shouldn't take too long now for them to come up way cause for this crash, willie. >> all right. een williams in beijing. incredible story. ian, thanks. mika we showed video of a father carrying a toddler out of the wreckage. amazing story. plane crashes. guy can't find his toddler. after three minutes climbs out of the wreckage sees his son. he turned blue unconscious. the father on the spot gives him cpr and saves his son. survive the plane crash, climb out of the plane, finds his son saves his life and the kid's going to be okay. >> my god. i have chills. incredible. moving on. jordan's king abdullah is vowing a "relentless war" after showing

a jordanian pilot burned alive by isis. united arab emirates suspended air strikes after the pilot was captured concerned about the lack of search and rescue teams if a plane went down. it comes as arab leaders complained that the white house is not permitting enough fire power to defeat the terror group. meanwhile, the entire senate arms services committee is calling for state and defense departments to increase military aid to that country. president obama is reportedly prepared to ask lawmakers for a new authorization for military force against isis. >> and i've talked to some friends in the region, and actually talked to an american a former american official who last night told me that isis has, i will just say, his words, he's been over there for a couple decades. isis has screwed with the wrong king. he said that he's going to light him up, that he's going to knowing him the way he thinks

the way he operates it's going to be a take no prisoners approach, and that all they have done, all isis has done is put the king in a better position. to use his power to go after him, and this is -- this is -- again we talked about it yesterday. isis has a death wish. well -- >> it just might be granted. >> this week they may get their wish granted and they screwed with the wrong king and also to put some pressure. perhaps enormous pressure on turk toy stop turning a blind eye to isis recruits coming through turkey into syria to join isis. >> it would be about time. >> joining us from washington retired four-star general barry mccaffrey an nbc news military analyst. what do you think of what you just heard from joe and mike? >> isis is not actually doing very women. they were stuped in massing around kobani so the air power,

u.s. air force and naval air power power, really hammered them. they've been relentless in killing other sunni muslims and occasionally shiite muslims. primarily a group of murderous thugs is what they are and doing pretty well on the ground. they still control mosul, the second largest city in iraq and they are not affectively countered by the syrian or iraqi armed forces. i do think the jordanian armed forces and intelligence service are absolutely first rate. so this is a huge mistake, this brutal murder of the young pilot. >> we have a lot of testimony from the hill yesterday. former cia acting director, warning of a long fight in this testimony against the islamic state. take a listen. >> what can be done in response? not much unless the coalition is willing to put more ground troops into iraq and possibly

into syria bp. there is very little well can do. >> how much would it take? >> 100,000, and that will simply does not exist here and it doesn't exist in the other coalition countries. >> we've been hearing for some sometime, general, if you want to feetizies on the ground put people on the ground people say there's not the will in the united states or the middle east to put boots on the ground. can we defeat isis if we don't put boots on the ground? along with our allies? >> yeah. i think it would be a huge mistake. not just domestic politics but also a military one to try and introduce ground combat units in the middle east. this is a struggle between kurds, shia sunni. this is not going to be re1068solved by u.s. combat forces. he should be doing much better in supporting those in the region. directly supporting kurds, providing substantial assets to include the refugee problem. so i think the agency and the

special ops community probably needs to be better engaged. the white house needs to stop micromanaging military forces on the ground. this air-sea rescue capability is an example. let the airs sort it out and do what needs to be done but at the end of the day, this is not a fight for the u.s. to get involved in on the ground. >> general can you give us an idea. what are the number isis' numbers, troops on the ground? isis troops? >> they're all over the map. the number commonly used is 30,000 some odd fighters. a couple of thousand foreign fighters. a couple of dozen u.s. it's not a substantial force, but it is a meshed and in major cities like mosul, in raqqa, fallujah. it's hard to get at them. certainly with just air power. you need people on the ground. but that should be kurds and jordanians and iraqis and others. we're forced into this bizarre situation, though, where de facto in fighting isis we're

almost allies of both the iranians and assad, the murderer of 200,000 syrians. so the dilemma is intense. there's no easy solution here. >> no easy solution. thank you so much, general. always great talking to you. >> good to be with you. ashton carter appears to be on his way of becoming the nation's next defense secretary after a pretty smooth confirmation hearing wednesday he promised the senate armed services committee he would be an independent voice if confirmed and disagreed with president obama when necessary. his testimony showed the two men appeared to be at odds on several issues including sending arms to ukraine. >> we need to support the ukrainians in defending themselves. i -- the nature of those arms i can't say right now because i don't have -- i haven't conferred with our military leaders or ukrainian leaders, but i inclined in the direction of providing them with arms including to get to what i'm

sure your question is lethal arms. >> with us now from the ukraine ukrainian capital, bill neely. what should we expect from the president's visit there? >> reporter: yes, good morning, guys. from a bleak and chilly kiev and that could also sum up the pross connects for any diplomatic breakthrough here or any chance of this war de-escalating. the last time john kerry was here was last march. since then crimea has been absorbed into russia. ukraine has virtually split apart and we've got a war with 5,300 dead 1 million people on the run, and rising. so john kerry arrives, as i say to a very bleak prospect. he'll meet ukraine's president and prime minister. they'll be putting the emphasis on a diplomatic solution but so far diplomacy that signally failed to stop this conflict and, of course the elephant in

the room if you like is the issue of weapons. ukraine will be spelling out what it needs and why it needs weapons, and briefly, that is it needs as many weapons as it can get its hands on because the rebels are supplied by russia, although of course president putin denies that but they have new weapons systems. the ukrainian weapons and the systems ukraine has are decades old and they are not stopping a rebel advance which is now really gaining momentum. so no decisions will be made today. no announcements will be made today, but you heard ashton carter there saying he's very much inclined to supply weapons to ukraine, but that carries huge risks, huge dangers. >> all right. bill neely, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe." you know him from films like "chasing amy" and "almost famous." actor jason lee joins us with a look at his new amazon pilot and the revolutionary things that that company is doing.

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this tragedy, this train tragedy obviously, we're getting a first glimpse not only of the mother of three who died but also a lot of others that were killed. terrible, terrible accident. >> incredible story. the "wall street journal" now the fbi is investigating another major computer hacking this time involving the nation's second largest health insurance company. anthem confirms hackers breached their database containing personal information of 80 million employees. names, birthday social security numbers street and email addresses and employment information. anthem service customers in 14 states across nearly every region of the country. >> from the associated press a former army soldier from wisconsin is among a group of westerners fighting alongside kurdish forces in iraq. 28-year-old jordan matteson says, "i'm not going back until isis is crippled." matteson entered syria through turkey connected with kurdish forces over a facebook page.

one of three americans and one australian interviewed from the ap from the war zone he's helping repay the kurds who assisted american forces during the iraq war. >> all right. go to politico now. the white house announced two top aides will soon exit the administration. senior adviser dan pfeiffer and communications director jennifer pal mar pal palmary are loving in the coming weeks. joining john podesta, reportedly leaving to take roles in hillary clinton's not yet official, but soon to be official but kind of official, 2016 presidential campaign. pfeiffer will explore positions in the private sector. >> pfeiffer is one of the president's closest advisers for a very long time. a big teal. the number of billionaires in the u.s. hit a record high. meaning there are now over 2,000 billionaires in the world.

>> wow. >> three men who top the list bill gates, mexican business magnate car lowe slim and warren buffett, a combined $244 billion, up more than $50 billion from last year. >> all right. the business insider, tweets will be visible in a simple google search. oh boy. as twitter looks to expand its number of monthly active users, reports say google and twitter reached a new agreement to display tweets in searching. slarp to a previous deal that ended in 2011. the news comes as the social media site is expected to release the number of monthly active users later this morning. 284 million people worldwide currently use the site. >> "usa today," overall americans are feeling less stress than they used to according to a national survey by the american psychological association. the average stress level last year was 4.9 on a scale from 1 to 10. that's down from 6.2 eight years ago, by far most people are stressed out over money.

especially parents with children under 18. >> and to those parents with children under 18 wait until you have children over 18. >> yeah. i'm there. >> 1 to 10. stress level -- >> average, 4 to 9? >> higher than that ood sayi'd say. >> i don't know. you always seem so relaxed. >> oh still waters. >> you're chill. >> going through the halls, kind of going like, hey, what's up? i got -- i got some tough stuff going, but i am cool. >> flipping it. cigarette in my mouth. >> ah. >> what about you? >> i'm stressed. >> yeah no. >> and i'm in the over 18. >> i'm just wondering. like, 1 to 10 your stress level? >> 10-plus. how about you? >> oh my gosh. >> i cannot go five minutes without my phone going off with an issue. honestly. >> i have that problem. i've thrown away all of my phones. >> i'm down. what would you say? about a 7? 7.5? >> i'm going to say i think you

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swimsuits for all company, which sells swimwear for women's size 10 and up. told the "fashion times" finally the industry is recognizing what many of us know curves are sexy. >> and they're everywhere. >> where do we begin? >> they're everywhere. most women, average size woman, is size 16 or older. >> why are supermodels allen rexic looking? >> i don't know. because that's what everyone thinks we aspire to be and what's celebrated. >> funny, men like curvy women. i talk to men, i prefer that. the average dress size is 12 to 16. this is not plus size. an every day size. >> they don't want to add miss they like curvy women. when you see on the red carpet the women on their arms not plus-size. skinny models and skinny actresses on their arms and don't want to go out. >> my husband likes me when i put a few pounds on. i can say that. i'm curious why she's just in an ad in a magson and not one of

the mod manies. on one of the spreads or on the cover. >> trying to book her for the show. i actually think this is a health issue. i think she's health around not sure plus sides,ze, if it has negative connotations. she looks so healthy. probably not hungry. >> no. "sports illustrated" -- >> a whole swimsuit edition with plus-size swimsuit models. a whole edition. i would love to see how that sells. >> men would too. >> i'd like to mix it up. this academy award winner kate winslet is speaking out about the pressure related to women and their image what we're talking about. had her third child, tells "harper's bazaar" on a diet to lose my baby weight? i haven't. oh wow, she's back in shape after 12 weeks. when i read that for [ bleep ]'s sake that's impossible. i want to keep my health santy and be well fed and happy. i like that. >> i like that too. >> went through a stage where she was not like that.

>> and i just was on people.com and a spread of women that lost the weight the fastest postbaby. this is the problem. >> being celebrated noor? >> for losing that much weight. >> it's always celebrated. whenever someone just had a baby and a month after, come ot and say, oh my god, you look great. lost all that baby weight. >> as someone who has had two babies recently it's nice to see someone -- last on the show talked how i gained weight after the second baby and it's still on. i'm okay with that. nice to see people in the media who can say that. the weight, it's okay. >> i read a book about struggling with eating disorders. i tweeted my whagt i got over 140. jacque. >> jacque. >> i'm coming on your show and we're going to get a scale. >> no. >> i know mika e-mailed me. >> over 140, 150 and to be healthy. it's a health issue. >> that's one thing. i think -- when women are comfortable with their weight. you look amazing.

>> are you comfortable with your weight? >> i am. >> why not say? >> because -- >> we need to tell people it's okay. >> for women who aren't comfortable with their weight you can't bully them into -- >> i'm not bullying you, am i? >> you have to consider, if a woman -- i'm comfortable saying my weight, but if a woman is not comfortable saying her weight for whatever reason what we have to do, those comfortable it, not make them feel some kind of weight. they're not ready yet. don't make them do that. >> fair enough. i agree. >> it's just because you feel empowered and want to do it okay. but it's a bullying thing to push other women 20 do it. >> clearly she wasn't ready to this point. gone through her own back and forth. >> take your own -- >> rip the veil off. okay? if you're 120 and over 40 you're probably hungry. and i think it's -- well we'll get to it. i'm coming on your show. >> with a scale, she says. >> all right. abby huntsman thank you. nice to see you in the morning. >> i love your set. >> fun. trying it out. >> abbey wants this table. >> i want it in my apartment. >> carry it out. >> you can have it if you'd like

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put your feet shoulder width apart. make a triangle with your arms. whoa. from "almost famous" to "my name a earl" to "the chipmunks movie" to now a very very dark comedy. amazon the "cocked," grammy nominated actor jason lee. what's the matter? >> just the name alone. >> what the character does that entire show. am i right about that? >> did i say a dirty word? >> kind of. >> oh it's good. it's getting people excited. >> it is. >> yeah. that may -- may be the only kind of stand-up moment he has. you know? no no. i don't want to give too much away but at the end he does something pretty cool. >> give some away. tell us about the movie. it goes off the rails, i'm told.

>> aye character gradesy definitely off the rails. he's a drug addict, but -- he's basically the -- he's a gun engineer, and he's trying to -- >> i get it's title now. >> trying to run, you know his family's gun business and he's very pro-gun. >> after many years away comes back to do this? >> no. that's sam trammell's character. he's the brother that left the family because the family is absolutely nutty, and he's very anti-gun. his wife is very anti-gun and -- he's forced to come back into the fold and help the business which is not doing very well because my character doesn't really know what he's doing. and he's basically running the business into the ground. >> this show starts off with a bang quote/unquote. >> it's not pg. >> it's not pg. >> i hope not i.. >> i have two young boys. >> they should not be watching. >> but we watched "alvin and the chipmunks" and you are the voice of that. >> that is true.

>> from that to like the sex, drugs and -- >> a whole new brand. >> the fun of acting. you get to bounce around like that. this was very challenging for me. i had never done anything like this. >> a different side of you. go ahead. >> i'd never done any kind of nude stuff and there was a lot of application of body makeup and -- >> did they not warn you about this xbrnchts this? >> i knew it would get a little crazy and kind of went to it. you just have to commit to something like this. >> the kwhoel gun debate and whether the timing is something we can address but i'm interested in the business decision of doing a movie on amazon, and why. why you would turn to amazon? what you think you get out of a deal like this as opposed to mainstream? >> well, the first thing do you is read the script. it could be anywhere. you know what i mean? it's the material. the character's interesting. i'd not done something like that. the idea of an actor is to do

things you've not done and continue to expand. and then it just so happens to be amazon. so that's sort of secondary thing. but then that becomes cool, because they gave us a tremendous amount of creative freedom. >> uh-huh. >> they aren't on set. and just trusting the creative people behind it which i think is really cool. and then the way they set it up they release the pilots. they stream and they allow the audience to chime in. >> that creative freedom is -- i mean i think that's unleashing for an actor. >> totally. >> also as a business, it's going to -- it's going to be impacting -- put it this way, networks that don't have that creative freedom. >> yes. all or nothing, go for it. everything on the table. >> take a stand at all on gun control at all? >> no. it's not pro-gun. it's not anti-gun. you know? that's their family business. and you see -- i mean it's a

family dramedy. for me it's the characters. that's what you focus on. >> you're pointing out kind of how to handle a gun and how things -- >> yeah. that's the cool thing about my character is that he is this off the rails guy, but he takes his work very seriously, and he takes gun safety very seriously. >> you make a good point, though, because this is just a pilot right now. >> yeah. >> people need to go on to amazon and give support for it to actually kind of -- >> that's right. and the -- the voices are being heard. and listened to, and i mean, there's been a lot of people rating the pilot. and that's being certainly taken into consideration. >> well, you were kind of a movie guy at first and then went and did "my name is earl" and a lot of movie star moving into tv because can you take risks on tv that couldn't be done. i imagine amazon is even taking more risks once in a while you felt comfortable going in there? >> absolutely.

>> and sommeerson amazon transparent. coming it. great success. >> yeah. >> used to be a pro skateboarder before he was an actor. >> still does it. >> you skateboard? >> should have brought your skateboard? >> it's too early for that oh come on. you're doing just fine. we're going to go now. >> oh man. >> another show. >> thank you. >> she's done. so nice to have you here. >> i'm done. >> are you done? >> no. go ahead. that's fine. >> i'm being told i'm done. >> oh i see. i get told that all the -- >> i just heard that too. >> there are -- >> did you just read the newspaper or. okay. get the pilot episode of "cocked" on anmazon.com and vote on it. can you do that? i'm doing it. appreciate you being on jason lee. sara and jacque thank you as well. will you come back? >> of course. >> do our walk around new york with the scale thing? a great idea. >> should definitely do that. >> bullying women in new york. it is bullying. >> i'm not. it's a real conversation. >> whether they want to or not.

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