some democrats to stand up with us. >> thank you so much dean. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening rev. \s. >> good evening, ed thank for tuning in. the gop's alternative health car plan revealed. yes, america, the waiting is over. it's been a half decade in the making, ever since the president signed his signature achievement, the affordable care act, republicans have vowed to repeal it. and for four years, ten months and 13 days we've waited for what they put in its place. >> we'll start tomorrow with the replacement. the difference is it will lower the cost. >> we want to take a common-sense step by step approach to replacing obamacare. >> after the first of the year

we will bring forth a bill that will be able to unite republicans around specific health care issue it is. >> they've introduced 126 different ideas about how to fix obamacare, how to replace it. we're working on this having discussions among our members, with a lot of divergent views. ladies and gentlemen, tonight is the night. today a group of high-ranking republicans introduced a plan and it's right behind this curtain. america, are you ready for this? here it is, nine pages. after all that time here's what they came up with. it weakens protections for patients with preexisting conditions. it slashes subsidies for middle-class families. it terminates mandatory maternity coverage.

it eliminates medicaid expansion, and how will they pay for this? the times records, quote, the republicans did not provide a formal estimate of the costr cost of their proposal or the number of people who would be covered. >> and a mission to rip coverage from millions. speaker boehner, what do you have to say about this today? >> listen there's a lot of ideas out there. the key will be to boil those concepts down to what a real replacement would look like. here's the and reducing costing. yet despite facts with absolute lid no plan to replace it.

joining me now is dana milbank and joe madison. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you reverend. what's the deal. is there finally a gop alternative plan? are they still playing the waiting game? >> well if you boil down those nine pages, you're left with two words, and that's never mind. i think you're being very generous to the republicans in calling this a plan at all. it's not just that they didn't provide a forecast every who would lose their coverage they're not writing it in the form of legislation, so it's impossible for the congressional office or anything else. there's a reason they as a result put forward these proposals for several years. it's always -- compared to what? and now you see, oh, okay so everybody's going to pay more the middle class will pay more old folkses will pay more and

they're going to lose their health care coverage. >> so dana this is not really even a plan because you can't evaluate it. think just passioned legislation that said we're going to task or committees to come up with a plan. >> so joe, i mean what does this mean? all of this bluster and rhetoric, where you come with nine pages, things being slashed, and no real plan that can be quantified? >> it means that they have voted 57 times to repeat the afford -- >> 67 times, i believe. >> i think so 57 times, and i think what the american people know is the old adage, if you keep doing something over and over and over again, and and you

get the same results, that's insanity, and there isn't a groundswell of complaints. it's working. people aren't losing their jobs because of it. there's no death penalty, all those things that they talked about would happen hasn't happened. and there's one other item that i think people ought to pay attention to. the employer is -- gets tax deduction for health care and the employee has to pay taxes on their -- on their health care. i mean this is -- so once again, stick it to the middle class, stick it to the poor and protect the boss and the wealthy. >> the trickle-down from the employer. >> that's right. dana we can have different opinions, but i always say we can't have different facts. so let's do some fact checking. the new proposal claims replacement is needed because of the harm the affordable care act is doing, quote -- the law hurt jobs, but look at this.

in the decade before the affordable care act, the private sector lost 3.6 million jobs. since it became law, it's added 10.5 million jobs. how can they claim it's a job killer and keep a straight face while they're saying it dana? >> it seems like in those nine pages, they yoofd some of the talking points from 2010. that's been the problem now. i was cover the debate in the house this week. a slight correction to joe, it was the 56th time but that's just the house, not even counting the number of times they would repeal -- with the repeals -- >> it's way up there. it's getting harder and harder each time. you can't say it's killing jobs you can't say it's destroyed the economy and health care in america, because health care inflation is low, more people are covered, and it's showing none of the traumatic effects

that had been predicted. obviously, whether this proposal is nine pages or 900, it's going nowhere, but they would just like to say they have an alternative, but in fact when the rubber hits the road it's not there. >> joe, the reality is you hear it and i hear it on our radio shows every day from people around the country, the success of the affordable care act. >> that's right. 9.9 million people have enrolled in 2015 beating expectations. there was a 24% drop in uninsured rate last year and projected costs to the government have been reduced by 20%, joe. >> and that's exactly it. you've said it all. i mean the facts are there. that's exactly what is happening, and you're absolutely right. here you have in these nine pages, nobody says what's going to happen to those 10 million

people. you have governors that swore they weren't going to deal with the medicaid issue. guess what? they changed their mind in places like ohio michigan other states across the country. and finally, even if they came up with something we know the president is going to site on it, bottom line. >> dana not only on radio, but we've spoken to people right here othis show who can't believe anyone would want to repeal it. listen. >> if it wasn't for the affordable care act, why not have had the insurance that provided for my transplant. you know where are the -- what's happened to the moral compass in this country?

you know we need to be concerned about people and their lives. and that's not happening. >> it saved my life. it allowed me to breathe and relax and enjoy being healthy and canner free. i've been able to plan my wedding and pursue my graduate degree. without this incredible piece of legislation, i wouldn't be able to do that. >> this is what the law is about, dana not about politics. >> this is why the law is not going anywhere unless the supreme court decides to kill it on its own. they're no longer fighting against some fictional demon, they have real flesh-and-blood examples of what's happened. that's a lot harder to fight. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. coming up stunning claims from the so-called 20th hijacker, reviving questions about a possibility saudi link to 9/11. is it time to declassify a key report on the attacks?

also, would you let your boss put a chip into your body? it's not science fiction. it's science fact and it's already happening at one company. plus the coach of the seahawks talks about the call that lost the super bowl. >> have you allowed yourself to have that one moment lying in bed, where the tears flowed? where you're smiling at me but i mean it. has there been that moment? >> yeah that happened at the 405 mark. yeah, that hit. and controversy about the new "sports illustrated" swimsuit cover. does it go too far? conversation nation is ahead.

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zacarias moussaoui testified from prison as part of a lawsuit against saudi arabia filed by 9/11 families. he claimed that members of the saudi royal family gave a lot of money to al qaeda in the late 1990s. he says he carried messages from osama bin laden to saudi princes and clerics, and that he discussed a plan to shoot down air force one with a saudi diplomat. he also claimed that these three saudi princes were on a list of donors to al qaeda, the former ambassador to the u.s. the head of saudi intelligence and the wealthiest member of the saudi family. the embassy rejects the claims saying quote, moussaoui is a deranged criminal whose own lawyers presented evidence that he was mentally incompetent. his words have no credibility.

but now there's new pressure to declassify part of a congressional report on 9/11 which the "new york times" says implicates prominent saudis in financing terror. joining me now are steve cozen, the lead attorney representing the 9/11 victims in a suit against saudi arabia and msnbc contributor steve clemmons from "the atlantic." thank you for both for being here. steve, the families that you represent want this 9/11 record made public. what do they hope it will reveal? >> well we represent not only the families but the commercial interests as well for the billions of dollars of losses to businesses and property. i think that the -- that secretary lehman probably put it best in the affidavit that he filed in connection with our

lawsuit. his view was that he had read the 28 pages, and he saw no reason from a national security standpoint or a policy standpoint why they shouldn't be made available. remember when the 28 pages was first classified the saudi government itself said why don't you make it public? >> what is there -- what's the reason not to make it public? >> ted that the bush admission argument said there was a means and methods problem. i imagine that means -- i speculate we may have penetrated, we may have turned people within the saudi royal establishment. we may have human intelligence as opposed to digital intelligence that is embedded in that system and didn't want to disclose who those people were that would have rereflected on who is those people were. but the second element, we had a

very cozy relationship in an odd way. prince bandar i could -- but people like prince bandar our former ambassador most recently head of saudi intelligence and was removed by the king. he used to give tutorials to president bush on his campaign claim when he was running for president, he gave general colin powell after he left the state department, two matching jaguars, so it was a cozy relationship. the day of 9/11 the only international -- the planes allowed to leave u.s. airspace were saudi aircraft that had gathered various royals around the united states and put them on they received special clearance in very unusual circumstances. >> the biggers picture is these are allies with personal connections to some people in the administration. is that the reason these documents that could potential compromise some people -- >> i think it raises questions.

there are two scenarios. in the 9/11 commission report and i know many of the commissioners, i trust them. i think they are above board, but those redacted pages, those 28 pages are too much to keep from the american public. the saudi government itself has advocated releasing those pages, because it believes it shows a good story about its role but the point is that it leaves a big question mark on these relationships, and i think when you look at things like ma moussaoui is arguing, and we see in cases like isis saudi money, private nongovernment money has helped build isis. >> you know moussaoui claims he met with the officials of the islamic affairs department. he said they talked about finding a location to launch a missile at air force one. >> yes, they were intending, reverend to kill president bill

clinton by using a stinger missile to take out air force one. i think in connection with what steve was referring to it's important to understand that not only secretary lehman who saw the 28 pages, thought that it gave at least a tie-in between the government of saudi arabia official obligation to propagate wahhabist extremist believes and the provision of logistics and helping of the planning every 9/11. keep in mind that somebody as reputable as senator graham who has constantly been after these 28 pages, said in his affidavit that he was convinced that there was a direct link between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the 9/11 attack and

the government of saudi arabia and that a saudi government officials living in the united states was acting at the direction of the saudi government through the ministry of foreign affairs, and provided direct assistance to two of the hijackers in san diego, ahamsi and almihdhar. they were introduced to al awlaki. remember we took him out with a drone. he was the intellectual leader of this whole program. the question that a lot of people raise is why would the saudis do this when osama bin laden was a sworn enemy. >> make sense of this for me. >> it is so important. those 28 pages will help make

some sharpers lines. we just don't know. the fact is the line thats distinctive between a rich sheikh who hates the united states who wants to fund terrorism, and the line between certain royals or the line between the government is a very blurry one, a very murky one. that's why disclosing these things is very important. we've seen in other cases in governments like pakistan exactly the same problem, the line between terrorists the isi, is a very murky one. it's different from the united states. that's why i completely support basically declassifies this document, so we can see it. i think we should give the saudi government an opportunity to also see -- >> steve clemmons i've got to go but i lived in new york live here now, but i was here during 9/11. i think that those documents ought to be released. we need to know everything that

is possible to be known. >> reverend just keep in mind that the civil justice system opens the door to this kind of a robust inquiry and shines the light on the evidence. the let the evidence come out. let mea families have their day in court. >> i agree. steve clemmons steve codesen, thank you for your time. coming up would you let your company implant a microchip under your skin? it's happening and it has a lot of people talking. whafsz he thinking? seahawks coach pete carroll speaks out on the infamous super bowl calls. and "sports illustrated" reveals the cover of this years 'swipingsuit issue. the keyword is -- reveals? how far is too far? conversation nation is ahead.

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the folks over at fox news have been in a frenzy lately over president obama's views on radical islam. pundits there have questioned why the president doesn't talk enough about islamic terrorism, which is parts of -- he was expected to do at the national prayer breakfast this morning. so here's how fox covered it. >> back with this fox news alert president obama speaking at the national prayer breakfast right now in d.c. the annual events brings together leaders from the world of politics and religion. about 3600 people are in attendance at the washington hilton right now, including the dalai lama. the breakfast is currently streaming on foxnews.com, so you can click over and watch that in more detail right now. that was it. 20 seconds and they were out.

while ourp cable news network covered the prayer breakfast, the fair and balanced network was given a fair amount of airtime to a commercial for a travel website. maybe they can use it to book their next vacation from reality, because back in the real world, president obama was tackling the issue of religious extremism head-on. >> from a school in pakistan to the streets of paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith. profess to stand up for islam, but in fact are betraying it. we see isil, a brutal vicious death cult that in the name of religion carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism.

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because that's a big needle. cecilia oster holm starts the day, she swaps the keys for a chip in her hand that uses a radio signal to open doors. >> you have a chip in your hand? >> yes. it's been inserted. >> how do you open it? just like that. >> obviously what i said to know is is how much it hurts. it does hurts a little bit, but it's like a basic vaccination shot so it's not too bad. >> her office connections big corporations with fast-growing companies. for the first time in a workplace all 700 employees here have been given the chance to use the technology to become more efficient. >> if you hold the phone against my chip you will get my contact details. >> look at that. that's you. >> in the movies from mate rick to minority report we've watched technology take over our

lives. it even happens in "annie." >> and now it's coming true in real life. >> if you don't need keys to access your building if you don't need credit cards or pin codes, things like that to do purchases, those are the things that would simplify your life. >> life for me was about to get simpler. what they say, no pain no gain. >> so the chip in here is quite small in. >> yeah super small, line a grain of rise. and exhale. >> ow, that hurt. >> it might hurt but that's not the only concern. yes, chips could be used for positive things like monitoring your health or tracking a alzheimer's, but what about privacy and security? could the chip in your body be hacked? and how soon until this is the norm?

joining me now is nbc news technology reporter julie ann peppertone, thank you for being here. >> thank you, al. >> this is one office block in sweden do you think we'll see other companies following suit? >> well this was just one somewhat extreme case. it does seem futuristic but there is a huge community already doing this here in america. they call themselves biohackers or cyborgs. they might inject a magnet into their fingertip. a contractor can use it to see where the studs are, or a computer chip that you can open the door that way, you can use a photocopier, get rid of the photo i.d. assist that so many of us use in big corporations. >> i want to show you a clip

from a "hunger games" movie. i think this is why people are scared of chips. look at this. emplgts tracker. could these chips be used for tracking purposes? >> that's definitely the fear for critics. the same way you would want to be careful about downloadling an attach attachment, you want to be really careful about who you let implant a chip but it's very far away from what the swedish company is doing. even the biohacking group in sweden that was working with this epicenter company, they said the reason they want to get into this now is they feel like everyone versus chips will be a reality sometime down the road and they want to explore this technology now before the evil corporations get ahold of it.

>> now, there are -- there's still some issues with technology. i want to show you the last part of that "today" show story. >> now i'm going to take this cyborg hand and place it up against the reader here. there's a blue reader that is looking at the chip in my hand and -- okay. >> is it working? >> it's a bit -- >> slow? >> here why don't you get back -- >> my hand is a bit swollen, so it may not work. [ laughter ] >> is this ready for primetime? >> i think we can see it's not. it didn't quite work out for keir. that just shows this is such early days for this kind of technology. that's why it's making headlines and getting gee whiz reaction

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time for conversation nation. joining me tonight, midwin charles, mark hannah and zerlina maxwell. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having us. >> we started with the photo that's raising eyebrows today. the "sports illustrated" swimsuit cover was released today. let's just say it's revealing. we can't even show you the full picture. hannah davis graces the cover. some on social media think it went too far. >> i i understand what "sports

illustrated" is about. i understand what they do. it is to portray women on the cover for the male gaze but the first thing i thought when i saw this picture is ooh, i shouldn't be looking at this. it's just too much. it's just too much. what they have done this time around is too much. >> they used to -- it's not like this is an entirely new thing for the magazine. >> no it's definitely a provocative cover, but "sports illustrated" has always been provocative. if you remember in the 1980s and 1990s, i was growing up in ireland, and they were equally risque back then wearing certain types of bathing suits that may not even qualify for suits and thong bottoms, you know, we are very outrage raged at this cover.

twitter will always be atwitter with things like this but is it sexist, somehow degrading to women? i don't think so. >> but a lot of people think this went too far, there could be some standards. >> you showed past covers. it reminds me of the tyra banks cover, did looks prepubescent so understanding fundamentally that's what the issue is about, but male objectification, and toxic masculinity are directly linked to violent against women and women broadband objectified. >> but -- we were talking in the groo enroom i know she's sent pictures of ryan gosling to her friends with little memes on the top of it. >> i don't think this is quite comparable. >> but the issue here is

whatever it is that "sports illustrated" is trying to do at the end of the day this girl is one breath away from being completely nude. >> and i think that's the point. now to a more scholarly debate, where will president obama's president atlibrary be? four possible locations -- chicago, honolulu and new york city are in the running. now, a source close to the first lady says she's in a new york state of mind the source telling "the chicago sun times" it's michelle's choice where the library and museum will ultimately be located, and she haslett her close friends know she wants it to be located in new york. can you see the library here in new york city? would that be a good choice? >> i think so. i've been to a number of presidential libraries to do research. the president has a good history here having gone to columbia university. >> even before he went to chicago. >> absolutely. so he has roots in the city that

would make sense. i think there are a number of people that would like to do research for the first -- you know the first black president our country hayes ever seen. it's going to be more accessible for people to travel to it and dig you have archives here as well. i think it's interesting that he's having michelle make this decision. i don't think that any president will leave the decision up to another person so that might be a little diplomatic. >> i think it's a great idea. harlem is certainly ground zero for so many important moments in arts and culture, and you have the schaumberg center there, and i think it's a great central location. >> well everything they said but also -- >> chicago is going to be upset. >> i know they are, but new york is like many other city as epicenter of education, so i think it's a great idea. at the end of the day, i'm a native new yorkers everybody always knows i'm touting new york.

>> but let me say -- >> so i'm biased. >> and this is only an unnamed source. we have no idea if this is right, but i don't know why you went to harlem. brooklyn has -- he did stay in downtown brooklyn. i'm a brooklyn guy. >> all right. >> we can facilitate this thing. sinchts what was he thinks? that's what so many people are still asking about the seahawks' coach decision to throw the ball at the end of the super bowl. today's show matt lauer talked to pete carroll. listen to what he said. >> you've heard the experts, not just average joes, say it was the worst call ever. >> it was the worst result of a call ever. the call would have been a great one if we catch it. that would have been just fine and nobody would have thought twice about it. >> it was properly planned, just didn't turn out. >> that play at that time to

match up -- and this -- all of a sudden they had a goal line group of defense on there we could take advantage of if we threw it so we did. it just didn't turn out right. >> but he did admit he cried about everything that happened. >> have you allowed yourself to have that one moment lying in bed where the tears flowed? you're smiling at me but i mean it. has there been that moment? >> that happened at the 4:05 mark. >> on tuesday morn? >> there was a break when i allowed all of the rush of it to hit. >> mark what about the emotion here? what do you think? >> matt lauer, wow, what an interviewer. if you watch the whole 20 minutes, he is tear jerking, trying to get pete carroll -- that's not easy for an nfl head coach to come out and at mitt. it was pretty stubborn he was saying this was still maybe the

right call, but a bad result. as a new england native i'm perfectly happy he made that call. >> well, you're happy with the results. >> but it goes the other way and everybody is calling him a genius. i think sports -- everything is 20/20 in hindsight. as the daughter of a high school basketball coach, he definitely cried. he definitely felt that very deeply. >> do you feel sorry for him? >> i think at the end of the day, this guy is human. and i think he made a bad call. disclaimer, i know very little about football but in watching that game, it was clear that that was probably not the right decision to make. i appreciate his candor though. >> i'm a seahawks fans i was rooting for the seahawks. i was very angry at carroll sunday night, and i'm still very angry. everyone stay with me, when we welcome back sarah palin to snl. and jim in fallon goes back to

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we're live from new york, it's airsarah palin! "people" reports that she will participate in the show's 40th

anniversary. though she was frequently spoofed on the show, she was a good sport, appearing on the show just two weeks before the election in 2008. >> i need to talk to you. you can't let tina go out there with that woman. she had goes against everything we stand for. good lord loren, what's that name they call her, what do. >> caribou barbie? >> thank you, tina. >> so. is the a good move for palin? >> it doesn't hurt to show a sense of humor. frankly she's -- there's nothing bad she could do to put her in woors political shape than she dug herself into after that horrid rend out speech. everybody remembers that. >> i think honestly it's not a bad move.

>> midwin it is becoming a emec40th anniversary. a big show. it's not just a regular anniversary. her being on the show is going to be hilarious there isn't anything she can do to hurt. if anything, it will help her. >> don't snl when they spoof, and i've been spoofed as much as anyone doesn't it humanize you though? >> i think that showing you have a good sense of humor is very important. i reject the notion she a politician. she was a half-term governor. >> she ways the party's nominee. >> but right now she's not a politician politician. i think that moment when she went on two weeks before the election was sort of the beginning of a persona that's separate from electoral politics. >> you can be a cultural figure aside from the politics.

>> this keep her relevant and makes her part every the historic special. >> i think it's going to be very interesting. i don't know how she plays in and she will probably be the only rep political figure that will be there. >> air quotes. >> what happens next, notwithstanding snl? >> well she's just going to continue the circus sideshow. a lot of her speaking events have been completely incoherent. thanks for joining the conversation nation. when we come back some moments of faith and humor at the national prayer breakfast.

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moments of faith and humor at the national prayer breakfast. president obama was there, so was the dalai lama and nascar legend darrell waltrip. giving the president material for some opening jokes. >> there aren't that many occasions that brings his holiness under the same roof as nascar. this may be the first. but god works in mysterious ways. so i want to thank darrell for that wonderful presentation. darrell knows that when you're going 200 miles an hour a little prayer cannot hurt. i suspect that more than once darrell has had the same thought as many of us have had in our own lives -- jesus, take the wheel.

although i hope that you kept your hands on the wheel when you were thinking that. the president then got serious, condemning violence in the name of religion and talking about how faith can be used to unite us instead of dividing us. >> the torah says love thy neighbor as yourself. in islam there's a hadith that states none of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself. the bible tells us to put on love which binds everything together in perfect harmony. put on love. whatever our beliefs, whatever our traditions we must seek to be instruments of peace and bringing light where there is darks in and sows love where

there is hatred. faith should be an instrument of peace. faith, whatever your faith is should intensify in you character and values that lead to a better and stronger and unified humanity not a bitter diadvicive and hateful kind of world. no matter what faith you believe in if you dig deep into it the core truths are remarkably very similar. so when people do despicable ugly and hateful things they shouldn't hide behind faith, because the president's right -- no faith, no faith at its core is about that. all faith at its core is about life is about blessings, is about peace, is about uniting with your creator, however you approach that. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now.

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