sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. \s . 920th hijacker. let's play "hardball." lit me start tonight with this. this is the horror of 9/11. 19 terrorists hijacked four planes two hit the world trade center one the pentagon one crashes into a pennsylvania field. more than 3,000 americans murdered. 15 of those 19 hijackers are from saudi arabia which makes you wonder why we weren't to war against iraq. the man known as as the 20th hijacker zacarias moussaoui is

serving six life sentences in a super-max prison in florence colorado. he has told lawyers for 9/is 1 victims what he describes as a saudi involvement in the worst act of violence in this country's history? is he telling the truth? robert grinnier is author of "88 days to kandahar." evan you were in the room when this deposition was given by moussaoui, in which he pointed to the role larger than we ever believed before played by the leadership clique. what was he arguing? >> i went in there as a skeptic. my understanding of moussaoui is he was a crazy lunatic. i have to say, that opinion was wrong. after i sat with him for close to two days and got to question himself in two different languages, it was clear to me he

ace quite sharp. he's coherence, with a very deep understanding and knowledge of al qaeda, al qaeda's financial networks and other aspects of the organization. i obviously can't verify every single fact he had to say with regard to the saudi royal family or his private meetings with them, but i can tell you this. i was actually brought into this interview specifically to try to see whether or not there were any aspects of what moussaoui was saying that could be corroborated with other facts. i can tell you there was a lot of stuff he said during that interview about a variety of aspects, everything from financing to training camps, guesthouses, individual commanders that was correct and accurate down to the tee. mu sui was given an opportunity-- moussaoui was given opportunities, but declined opportunities. when he was given the name of someone he didn't know he said i don't know that person i don't have any information about

that person. he was very specific about the people who he identified and who he laid the blame on. whether or not everything he said is true it's difficult to say. >> i just want to put a little bulletin out here. you were working on in case for the families of the americans who lost someone on 9/11. just so everybody knows why you were there. zacarias moussaoui pointed the finger at the leaders -- he said he was directed in 1998 or '99 by al qaeda leader in offense to create a database of donors. he recall listed in the database were prince of turkey al filesal, prince bandar a longtime ambassador. and many of the leading clerics. i want to show you an interview

right now. i want to show you what happened to me. in the months i interviewed prince bandar who was then saudi ambassador to the u.s. here is his reaction to my argument that a lot of people in america thought that the saudis played a game. they paid al qaeda off, left their kids alone, a younger generation, let they pros le advertise, cause trouble, as long as they left saudi arabia alone. here is how he responded. >> does it makes sense to you, chris, if bin laden -- those evil people are supposed to be the product of the saudi religious teachings, if that is true and they consider -- bid laden was saying saudi are infidels infidels, are we 1250u7d? why would we teach people to come and attack us? so they can attack somebody else. >> no. what taliban has been done for three yours, now five years,

killing other afghanis and -- >> your government has been very sort to buy off the younger generation, give them the money they need to go around the world and do their dirty will and leave them alone, paying protection money, in a sense. >> you know what? this is [ bleep ] to be honest with you. >> he said it was -- what do you make of this right now? the saudi government obviously denies any role in 9/11 the bush administration ner accused them of anything. but a lot of people wonder how come most of the terrorists were saudis angry at their parents, generational dispute but then it just seemed to me with all this wahhabiism going on this culture of extreme islamism how does the saudi culture and society, an elite clique get out of any responsibility for 9/11

because he's pointing the finger at them mu is sowi, imoussaoui. >> they're fundamentalists, and yes, absolutely they're wealthy saudis, others who wanted to pros le ties. a school was built with saudi money -- it casts suspicion on them. it puts a doubtful light on them but it doesn't necessarily mean that they were supporting it. >> but what about the deposition, that we're just getting access to now. what do you make of his accusation? a desperate effort to win some relief? or is there truth there? >> i don't know if he was trying to build himself up. i have no brief for either party on this. >> what everybody wants to know is he another stoolie in prison

trying to b.s. his ways out of prison, or does he have something to offer? he just wants to do something that has some truth telling to it? what is your sense of his motive? why is he spilling the beans? >> well he has no doubt hi's going to be in prison for the rest of his life. he's also up front about the fact he still considers himself to be a enemy of the united states. i think my perception is that moussaoui is deeply embitered towards other members of al qaeda, as well as the saudi government as with you's others who i think played a role and not held to account, and he's paying the price for that. he appears to have very personal reasons for wanting to do this but again, i think it's quite clear, he's not trying to paint himself as america's new best friend and he was also very explicit about the fact that look, he wasn't going to try to play games, he wasn't going to try to con us, or at least

that's what he said because he realized wid more information about this than he did, and we were asking him questions from a pell sperkt tiff. let me suggest another interpretation, he's watching television. he knows we're in a coalition against isis and against the terrorists, and one way to screw up our coalition is to get us suspecting the saudis of a role in 9/11 a perfect way to break us all apart. >> absolutely. this is somebody who has to hate saudi arabia. this is somebody who believes as an article of faith, if the u.s. cut off support for saudi arabia, they would fall. >> isn't it possible that what this guy is doing is screwing up our coalition right now? >> it's always possible. >> spreading the seeds of doubt. >> the only justification for withholding this information is if it had some deleterious

impact on u.s./saudi relations. there's two things to say about this. number one, my understanding is moussaoui has been trying to put forward this information longer than saudi arabia has been part of our coalition, so that doesn't make sense. i think the other part about this is -- again, moussaoui appears to have this long-standing sense for a while. i really don't think this is born of anything recent. again, i think everything he says should be measured up against any information we can. any information about thinks travel records or others. if we can verify this with initial information we should do so. that's the point. there's no point of withholding this information anymore. even saudi arabia wants the 28 pages out there. the saudis want this out there. if the saudis want this out there, the families want this out there, the american people want this out there, then what

possible reason is there to not release this information? if there's anything in here that implicates the government of saudi arabia, we should know about it. if the information in there exonerates the government of saudi arabia it's their right to have that information and be able to defend them selves knowing what the information actually is. >> but gentlemen, the united states government the very much respected commission on what op on 9/11 generally roundly respected, said no saudi government role. >> they could find no evidence for it. >> what about this idea -- >> evan you make a point. i think it's debatable, but it's a good point. he says they should release these 28 pages. i know there's always a problem, and i understand it the decency factor, do you release raw dalles data? people say the wackiest things to fbi agents. do you throw it out there, somebody could be a truther, throwing out the theory and all of a sudden that becomes gold. should they release the 24 pages of the senate house investigation? >> we can only speculate. there may be lots of good

reasons why -- as president bush said before there is methods and reasons why not, but that's what the president has said. there may be things in that report which are embarrassing and would have made it more different to taye effective action in their domestic political context if that stuff were known. >> what could that be? >> for instance maybe there were members of prominent families that would make it different to move against, and yet if it were out there, they would essential be sandbagged. >> who made the decision to release the saudi diplomats, they live right near -- the embassy is right next to the watergate apartments. why did they all get a free ride out of the countries in the middle of that security concern when nobody was allowed to fly for a few days after 9/11.

they were given. exception. why were they allowed to split so easily? >> it's very easy to answer that. they were wealthy, important people. they were 2ki79s or represented to diplomats, people with a tremendous amount of influence, people that could reach out to people in our government. i think part every the problem is that then as of now, there were a lot of people who just the idea that saudi arabia one of our closest allies in the middle east could have been involved in funding or coordinating 9/11 it sounded ridiculous. unfortunately there's enough evidence out there from credible sources from people who should have had a renal to know it behooves is to look into those documents and verify if there is any truth to them. the fbi has had information going ahmet way back to 1995 that wealthy gulf governments, wealthy persian gulf governments were providing money to al qaeda -- protection money essentially for their rejeeps, and we know the current king of

saudi arabia king salman the governor of riyadh back in the 1990s, he was raising money for saudi charities that have since been shut down not just by the u.s. government, but the saudi government, for funding al qaeda. no doubt money was exchanged. question is were the saudis aware of where that money was going and who they were contributing to. any information that helps illuminate that question, i think it's incumbent upon all of us to be honest in answering that question. now more than ten years after 9/is 1. >> well you made that point here and in a "new york times" front page right at the fold -- top of the right-hand side of the paper, in the best slot in the news business there is. and you're here tonight. i think people are questions this. i'm not a truther, but i think these questions are very healthy to ask. thank you both gentlemen. coming up jeb bush loves his dad and thinks his brother was a great president, but for just about being a bush cuts

both ways. the bush names helps him. as for the bush reputation not so much. can jeb bush divorce himself from the bush political record? plus top democrats won't commit to attending benjamin netanyahu politically charged speech to congress the one janer boehner arranged without telling the president. and we get word that the pope is going to address congress. and bruce jenner is about to become the highest profile transgender person in the world. what his decision says about tolerance and acceptance in the year 2015. finally, let me finish with these new questions about the saudi involvement in 9/11. this is "hardball," the place for politics. dad! okay! let's go go, go, go... woah! go right, go left, go left stop! now go... (shouting) let's go!! i gotta go! can i go? yup! you can go.

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thick of the fight for justice and opportunity. this is what i mean by compassionate conservatism. it will be hard to run away from the reports. and the former florida governor talked about that. interesting conundrum here. >> i love my dad. in fact my dad is the greatest man alive. if anybody disagrees, we'll go outside unless you're like 6'5" 250 and much younger than me. then we'll negotiate. i still won't change my mind for sure. i love my brother. it doesn't bother me a bit to be proud of them and love them but i notice for a fact if i'm going to be successful going beyond the consideration, i'm going to have to do it on my own. returning to "new york post" eugene robinson and liz mayer. let me start with you since you're the republican and proud of it. i think it's interesting, because i think it works. tell me how it works. you benefit from a fine family

name, but you don't have to defend the policies of your relatives, but what is it you're benefiting from if it's not the performance of those two family members. >> i think experience of being in the public eye at that level, and putting up with that level of scrutiny. i think a lot of the fund-raising infrastructure and i think just the collective knowledge that is bred into the pool of bush family advisers that you're able to tap that a lot of other guys connect. but jeb bush is a very different political animal to his brother and his brother is very different to his dad. there's a tend anyto characterize the bush family as moderates. when you look at jorks wish bush i would characterize more as a big government social conserve tifr. when you're looking at jeb bush you're looking at somebody who i think is a mainstream conservative. >> you're joe or jane out there,

a regular person not a fun raider, not a insider, you're going to say vote for bush they haven't stolen any money, so give them another break, but don't look back at what the father or brother did. how does that work this. >> first you have to get over the hurdle of the name right? >> it's a hurdle. >> it's a hurdle of we're going to have a third bush. >> isn't that the reason for the bid? >> it's a reason he was in position to run for florida governor. >> we say we don't have dynasties, but we do. >> imagine you're -- i've been thinking about imagine you're a cereal box. i love kellogg's. suppose i said i have a new cereal from kellogg's, you may not have liked the last two, but the next one is good but it is a kellogg's. who's going to do that? >> if you can hark back to the

first, he was frankly an underrated president at the time and his reputation has improved with the years. >> yes, almost beloved. >> if you can hark become to that without harking back to george w. bush whose reputation as not improved. >> the tough reporter sitting there in a debate situation, will say yes or no was the iraq war a smart move? yes or no not to say -- do you still defend that and think that was the right thing? looking back on it will he say yes? >> i don't know what he'll say. i think there are a number of questions that will be awkward when he's pinned on that. >> should your dad have raised taxes? should he have broken that promise? >> which between your dad and your brother did a better job in terms of gathering allies to go to war. >> we know the answer to that one. >> sure, but i think in terms of getting an answer from him, that's going to be an awkward

situation to deal with in a debate. >> the iraq war question is really the tough one. >> it's tough for hillary, too. >> yeah. it's tough -- >> except for biden, it's tough for kerry. they still haven't described how they went to the ridiculous arguments. >> fundamentally one of the things he will have to deal with the fact there are aspects of his father's report and the flip side of that is there are aspects every his father's record and brother's record that he may want to appeal to, too. maybe that's an area where it's going to be a bush. >> john sununu has a new book coming owl, i've been looking it will galleys, so we're see. >> one dunk on iraq is hillary clinton has said it was a mistake, so will jeb bush say that? >> she's still going to be pressed.

>> of course. >> ted cruz said he smoked some dope, he made a mistake. what was it a marlboro? >> i shouldn't have done it. >> i joined the marines, that was a mistake joining the marines, that was a mistake. i should have joined the coast guard. i don't know. yesterday jeb bush gave president obama some credit for an improving economy, but also criticized the president for slow recovery. >> it's true enough that we have seen recent good gains and it's welcome news for the economy, but it is very little and had has come very late. six year after the recession ended, median incomes are down. household are on average poor and millions have given um looking for work all together. >> but the recession was the worst economic downturn since the great depression. it started when his brother was president. >> over the past few weeks, many

americans have felt anxiety about their finances and their future. i understand their worry and their frustration. weo we have seen triple-digit swings in the stock market. major financial institutions have teetered on the edge of collapse, and some have failed. we are in the midst of a serious financial crisis and the federal government is responding with decisive action. >> well here's a really good line. at last week's annual alfalfa club, a meeting here a dinner of big shots, business guys california senator dianne feinstein joked about another bush seeking the white house -- quote, jeb bush looks like he's running for president, so now we know what the bush family means by no child left behind. >> that's a great line. >> so this is strange. the old man, the father who has become increasingly beloved in his country, is late in life. he will be out there raising the flag for his son. w. will as well.

how does it work together? the reasonable centrist pragmatist realist policies of his favorite again the neoconish policies of the son, does jeb do what -- i'm going to triangulate, be something else? >> i think he is somewhat different from both of them. i think that's what he has to be. ultimately he's got to carve out this image and this reality of himself as different from his brother, different from his father. if he didn't i don't think he goes there. >> you're in the business will the word the phrase reform conservative? will it work? >> hard to say, honestly very hard to say. >> does it sound lie moderate? >> i don't think it sounds like moderate necessarily. my question that i have is that you get into some difficulty when you're talking about reform conservatives and what they want to do versus people who really want to flatten things out. that's a real tension when you get into those economic policy

debates for people who are wonkish and care about that. i think jeb bush is different to his father and to his brother. and i think that the most important thing that any presidential candidate can do and this includes jeb, is be authentic, be who they actually are. at the enof the day, the voters may not like that but the authenticity and flip flopping and making yourself into something you're not, they reject that every time. >> if he hires john bolton i'm leaving. thank you both. i fort john bolton himself is running. ted cruz marijuana and why seth meyers says kids should just say no. the shied show is up next. thinks "hardball," the place for politics. many medications. but it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. that's why there's biotene available as an oral rinse toothpaste, spray or gel. biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy

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the invitation they said was making these choose between netanyahu and obama, making the support a partisan issue they never wanted it to be. forcing them to consider a buy coit. dib durbin called it a serious mistake by the speaker and by the prime minister. here was house minority nancy pelosi today. is. >> we have great friendships in terms of country to country, leaders to leaders. it's really something we should beblt resolved. maybe we even have to review the idea of joint sessions of congress. there should not be a political arena two weeks before an election. some people think it's outrageous, some staunch supporters of israel commented it's outrageous and they are supporters of netanyahu, that our floor of the house would be exploited that way for a political purpose in israel and in the united states.

well nevertheless pelosi said she intended to go to the speech. for more i'm joined by tonight's roundtable michael steele and msnbc replial analyst, and amanda turkel for huffington post. ken rho egg vogel, for politico. sometime in september we're all going to feel good about ourselves. >> i think it will be a positive night for the country. >> i think everyone is generally psyched for the pope to come to america, period particularly this pope who has endeared himself in a way that transcends what faith you are. but then to have him come and speaking to the join session of congress is going to be profoundly important because it allows him an opportunity on american soil to connect some dots, if you will cuba the united states and the role he played there. >> so you expect substance? >> i think there will be some substance. not a whole lot, because the pope doesn't want to step on

anything politically for the president and certainly not get into that so much but i think he'll have a chance to lay out a very interesting conversation that a lot of americanless preserve and war and peace issues related to that and certainly what's going on in the middle east right now, so i think the pope will have some profound things to say. >> it seems there would be a lot of crowds along that center aisle. they want all their pictures taken. i think a lot of members will want their pictures taken. >> both pelosi and boehner are catholic. i think there will be some substance. i this domestically you may hear the pope saying things that you hear a lot of candidates saying issues of poverty, helping the poor is something this pope has made a centerpiece. >> how does he stay off the hot ones? >> i don't think he does talking about cuba. >> about life about abortion about same sex. >> he's talked about gay rights in a way that i see made some

uncomfortable. >> i'm talking about the really hot buttons. does. >> whether he actually does or not, it's sort of the backdrop to this. catholics are key swing constituency. they're socially conservative. make economically a little more liberal, well, this pope is a little bit shifting that balance in a way that gin i think makes some conseven tiffs leery, some democrats kind of happy. >> i think on that point, the interesting thing is the following month is when the hope will have the senate on the family, and a lot of this visit is going to be centered around the family his coming to america. as we just saw played out last year when he threw that tell me what you think, cardinals about, you know divorce and the structure of the american -- the family as a whole, you saw some very interesting dynamics. this pope likes to toss out and sort of get a feel. i think you'll see some things tossed up to get a feel of where

america is and then he'll come and address those issues. >> i think he has to talk to people like the wife who's in a terrible marriage and it's over you know it just is over and she's there alone. you have to talk to that person. who are victims of bad marriages. you have to talk to a lot of people who are gay, who are born gale, that's how they feel that's who they are, and start talking to them as god's people. he could do a lot of good there. here's john boehner last week explaining why he invited 9 israeli prime minister. let's see if it sounds like politics was involved at all. >> i believe that the prime minister of israel has a strong voice. he believes that the threat of the iranians having a nuclear weapon is a very serious threat. the israeli prime minister can also talk with some expertise about the growing threat of radical islam. we've got a serious problem mountain world and the president

just wants to act like it's just going to disappear, so as a coequal branch of our government, i don't have any problem in doing what i did to invite the prime minister to come to congress and address those concerns. >> you know, one thing i think is not fair is to suggest the prime minister speaks for israeli public opinion, pure and simple. you can go to israel and argue about anything over there. it's a very free country. you can be all across the board. you have a right to speak. he's going to come over and define israeli foreign policy and say this is a fact when he's in fact on the right with a right bloc of people that are to the right of most israelis he's not speaking for the average jewish people in israel. he just isn't. >> there's a lion's share of people that's with him when it comes to iran but that's not what will decide this election. the election is by no means a slam dunk. do you think average israeli is

a bombs away when it comes to iran. >> i think thee closer to him. i'm not prepared -- >> you think he's for a two-state solution? most israelis are. >> he does not seem to me. this is essentially a campaign stop for him. i think that's why some democrats are trying to push, if you want him to come that's fine but delay it until after the israeli election so it doesn't look as political. >> who timed it? >> reports -- i don't know who timed it but reports say the idea originated with ron dermer. >> and at the end of the day, the reality still remains he's going to come -- -- >> dermer says he's a civil servant, and i take him at his word so he shouldn't be arranging a political oriented meeting, right? >> i think that's what made people so uncomfortable. only now he's -- >> i think it helps republicans helps john boehner.

>>. >> he's in heaven after with the scalisi case i think it's a change of topics. >> you guys are glossing over the substance of what could come out of this visit, dealing with the concern that the israelis and a lot of americans particular in congress have about what we're doing with iran, what the ar administration is failing to do. the administration wants room to negotiate with iran. the israelis are very uncomfortable with that. the global partnerships we have are saying you can't trust these guys, so at the end of the day, this is an opportunity to sort of put a stake in that particular heart when it comes to what the administration wants to do in iran. so yes, there is the politics but there is also a real substance to what the congress and -- >> what's the alternative to trying to negotiate an end to their perhaps move toward a nuclear weapon? what's the alternative to trying to stop them before they get

there? is there some other policy that would keep them from having nuclear weapons than trying to talk them out of the? >> not obviously -- there is the advocacy on the israeli right for a nuclear -- for a military strike. >> when you do every couple years. you can tell the minute we bomb them, or israelis bomb them with our help they go back to rebuilding with 100% support for that. so you have to stop them before they do it i think. anyway thank you. we agree on the need to stock market them. the roundtable is staying with us. up next this will blow your socks off. what is bruce jenner's decision to say about tolerance and acceptance in this country in 2015? this is "hardball," a place for politics.

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planning to transition. he has not really commented -- >> but the pictures that you see suggest it. >> his mother gave an interview saying she didn't confirm it but she is very proud of him. his reality show is not the most tasteful and classy affair. if he decided to document his transition, will it be more like what we have seen from his family, or will it be an intimate portrayal of what it is like emotionally and physically. >> he had his adams apple shaved. there is differences in his face that make him look more feminine. >> this is like the last frontier for ga rights. it is a subject that makes people -- >> and there is q out there, people who are not quite sure and i have to sympathize or emphasize with the people who have a disconnect between the way they were born and the way

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