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she was taken hostage by isis in august of 2013. until today her name had been kept quiet at request of her family. the news comes the same week isis released a video showing a captured jordanian pilot being burned to death while trapped in a cage. more, i'm joined by keir simmons, nbc news, in amman, jordan. thank you for joining us. personally i got to tell you up front that however she died if she died, she died as a victim of her captors. they captured her, they put her in a spot where she was killed. i don't care what cover-up story they've got, what evidence do we have right now hard about what happened to this wonderful person? >> reporter: chris you're right, and really what isis is trying to do whatever the truth is, in making this announcement is they're trying to really kind of shift the blame on to the jordanians, on to the u.s. on to the coalition, but let's just be absolutely clear. it was isis that captured her and held her hostage, if the

facts of all of this are true and the facts are not easy to be sure about. i mean the jordanians, chris, describing this as part of isis media propaganda criminal campaign. and they are saying here that they can't be sure that she has indeed been killed or how she has been killed. in isis you are talking about a group that beheads innocent hostages, as you point out, that kill the jordanian pilot by burning him to death. they say how can you believe anything a group like this says? particularly when an announcement like this by them at this point, when the jordanian public seem to be swinging behind the jordanian government -- how can you, they say, that believe group, when it seems so convenient for them to make this announcement now? >> it's more than convenient. i think it makes sense they're motive lying completely to blame whatever they did to this

young woman they can blame on the jordanians and try to cause the vision at home in jordan anything to try to take it to exploit the horror of their own killing. they put this person in a situation they'll gob to be bombed and then blame it on their enemy to cause confusion in the ranks on the other side. you put it so well. do we know how many more -- what is the next problem prospect? what's their reach like? >> reporter: well, they do have a reach chris. i mean with any organization like this be it a criminal or terrorist organization what we know there are layers. so there are the hard-core violent hard-core, if you like and beyond that there are people who either express italy or tacitly support that group. i was in turkey recently on the

syrian border and we knew there were isis supporters along that area, and if known, too, for for example in lebanon nap will be the case here in jordan too, by far a majority sunni-muslim country and has a long history, jordan, by the way, of tackling and conference extremism, jihadism. so, yes, they have a long reach. you really hope what you described there doesn't happen, but once again you see isis attempting to use innocent hostage in order to further its oen propaganda aims. and i will say one thing, chris. in a sense it suggests isis is under pressure having to resort to more and more extreme propaganda, if you like. more and more extreme actions, because these air strikes by some accounts do appear to be having some affect albeit isis

still holds raqqa and mows untilmosul in iraq. >> thank you. for now joined by deputy spokesperson for the state department. this young woman i have to show the picture again. i mean this gets to everyone's hearts in this country. a young person really not having seen much of the world yet, except what she is seeing is on her road to help people whether in israel or in the palestinian territories or in india. or back in arizona working with hiv victims. all she's done seems since she got out of college is do good? that's it. no politics. no personal -- didn't go out to get famous or anything. just -- we never heard of her until this horror? >> and i want to be clear. we have nothing at this point on our end, in the government, to corroborate these reports. we're looking into whether we thought the targets the jordanians hit where hostages were ever held. a lot of unknowns tonight. i want to be careful before we get ahead of the story. you're right.

the people isil's targeted we've seen. journalist aid workers. people from around the world who just wanted to help the syrian people. burning alive a fellow muslim. that's why you've seen on the jordanian side such resolve in their response. on our side on everyone else's side, and i really think they are trying to use this for propaganda value and that's why the rest of the muslim world and the rest of the world stood up and says this does not represent us and cannot stand. >> if we hadn't been through the ed ed idea crazy of iran we wouldn't be going through. told a newspaper forring a long a as i live i will not let this be normal something we accept. it's important to realize what we have why we have it and from that place start caring and get a lot done. she was committed here. let me ask you about, i raised this with keir simmons, a reporter, correspondent with you at the state department.

any knowledge of their reach? same question can they keep doing this? keep plucking americans or westerners or targets of any kind out of missionary stations or churches or anywhere or business groups in turk.the border? can they grab more people? >> the most dangerous place we said syria and iraq. places we want journalists to be able to cover. >> we have people there, don't we? all kinds of people there? >> in iraq certainly. not a diplomatic presence in syria, but we waent aid workers in there because they need the around journalists to get in there because the stories need to be told but serious travel warning in place because there is a serious threat in syria along the border with turk around in iraq and people are at risk if they go there unfortunately to tell the story these people need to be told to the world. but it is very dangerous. very dangerous. >> tell me about the passions. you work at the state department, about world and public diplomacy. what is the right american

attitude you guys -- richard stengel and others which you do what do you want the american people to feel? sigh feel i want to zap isis from the planet. i don't want them on the same planet. we're not in the mood to launch another ground war, go in with 200,000 people bugles blowing and a popular general leading the way. doesn't seem anybody wants to do that. even john mccain the super hawk won't do that. what is the appropriate emotional response you'd like to see americans have? >> i think you can do both. say we are going to directly take this fight to isil. we've done that. american bombs are falling on isil targets in syria and iraq with our partners but doing in in a strategic and smart way. all of our hearts break when americans are taken hostage but we know we need to lead. the national security we just released, doesn't get headlines talks about american leading from position of strength and strategic patience and strategic

goals we have here and it's not about shooting from the hip. you're right. it's not about sending combat troops in. where our interest is at stake, how can we best go after them and sometimes dread military action which we've done. >> thank you. michael why editor of the ininterpreter and author of a new book ar isis and terror. what's going on in their heads? do horrible things like pouring gasoline on a guy? a soldier, serving soldier of his country doing his duty. to pour -- i don't want to think about this too much. there it is. whatever happened to this young woman now who is totally innocent. not even a warrior. you don't have to have anything but hate going towards them? >> you have to understand, chris, we in the west think of isis a a ragtag bunch of peasant terrorists, 14-year-old boys from tunisia going off to do jihad. the people in the upper echelons

experienced in the regime of saddam hussein, they were officers meaning special security services, they were iraqi military they were iraqi military intelligence. this tells us this tells me anyway, these are guys trained by the soviets including the kgb and all forms of wear faire. conventional, guerrilla and information warfare. the video, awful, gruesome of the jordanian pilot is a 22-minute long video. most are focused on the horrifying of him going up in flames but the first two-thirds of that video is an extraordinarily adroit and sophisticated propaganda piece directed against the state of jordan showing jordanian airplanes dropping bombs, counterposed with images of dead muslim babies and basically saying, this goes to the heart of their jihadi ideology jordan is a poststate, not the true

islam. embodied by isis and these are muslims killing other muslims. you and i watch this terrible propaganda ending in the death and horrifying murder of this young man but to jihadists this is intoxicating. isis' relationship with jordan goes back decades. sarp kawi, founder in iraq jordanian. the guys brought into iraq from afghanistan training them up in an afghan training camp funded by al qaeda. a lot of the guys he brought with limb fellow jordanians. they let him out of prison in 1994 as part of a general amnesty cone citing with king abdullah's ascension to the throne and know him well. we'll from aqi are in their prisons they just hanged in retaliation for this. isis is preying upon that sheer inability and that weakness in the coalition. a lot of countries onboard feel this is not the right strategy. >> to the point of why do they butcher people burn them alive?

behead japanese? what did the japanese ever done to them? what has that woman ever done to them? haven't gotten to the point of willingness to led ytology ologyideology, anything else what justifies their behavior beyond religion? anything we do oobttively because it furtherers the causes of what? not about smart politics vis-a-vis, jordanians and their kingdom, what is it in their soul that says anything goes? >> to their mind selling to the world and recruits they belong to crew sader or jewish con speary regimes if from japan, fine. japan is giving money and helping out with the coalition in some manner. western or american journalist you come from a great infidel nation paying taxes goes to a war machine. it's propaganda. the pru tat tatty, emphasize this. the brutality of isis is nothing new in the middle east chris.

assad's regime has done it set people alight and done worse. saddam hussein used to throw dissidents into bagged avirile cats as a form of torture. the difference with isis they advertise it. publicity it the thing. i late to say it they are counting on the west to do their bidding for them. isis wants to be the western news editor. their kind of function in propaganda. we're talking about this awesome, i should say horrifying brutality. again, this is going to lead to lee krutment. they are going to swell the ranks of theirs organization because of what they've just done. >> none of what you said is good news but you know what you're talk ak. thank you very much. michael weis. coming up meet the 2016 pander bears. chris christie, rand paul and even bobby jindal took turns pandering to the far right performing like dancing bears at the right wing circus. for christie a bed that just got worse with his administration facing a new

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welcome back to "hardball." the 2016 republican pander bears are on the loose. this week alone bobby jindal chris christie and rand paul took turns proving there's no pander they won't pursue to win gave favor with the hard right. a litmus test for being a true conservative. here he is. >> this common core fight we will have people with agree with others issue fight us on this and the common core fight is a great example that if we're really sincere and authentic, true conservatives in terms of what that means we have to be from powering individuals especially parents when it comes to raising their children. >> never mind in 2012 not a million years ago jindal himself praised his stapt adoption of common core standards which he said would "raise expectations for every child." complete pander there. then there's rand paul. he made vaccines sound like a risky bed in a cnbc interview.

>> i've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. i'm not arguing vaccines are a bad idea. i think they're good thing, but i think the parent should have input. the state doesn't own your children. parents own the children and it is an issue of freedom. >> that's a pretty clear statement of cause and effect. don't you think? but rand paul tried to clean up his statements after this. "i did not say vaccines cause disorders. just that they were terp rarely related. i did know allege sauz kaufrzation. i support vaccines i received vaccination and had my children vaccinated." and then chris christie. >> do you think americans should vaccinate their kids? is the measles vaccine safe? >> all i can say, we vaccinate ours. so, you know that's the -- the best expression i can give you, my opinion. it's much more important as a parent than what you think as a

public official. that's what we do. but i also understand that parents need to have some measure of choice in things as well. that's the balance that the government la to decide. depends on what the vaccine is with the disease type is and all the rest. so i didn't say i'm leaving people the option. i'm saying you have to have that balance in considering parental concerns, because no parent -- no parent cares -- about anything more than they care about protecting their own child's health. >> okay. to be clear, that one sentence went around the bend. he believed a measure of choice for parents whether they vaccinate their kids but didn't believe in options's if you can figure it out, interesting to listen to meantly. anyway, one pander there. joining me expert on this steve carkornacki kornacki. and a weefk pandering, you asked a direct question kbhap do you think of requiring vaccinations for things like measles. he seemed to give two options.

i didn't get it. >> in some way hess was trying to have it both ways. i point out this is something christie dealt with as governor a long time. new jersey had over the years strict rules an mandatory vaccinations. for a long time a community of parents concerned. christie dealt with them a lot running for governor. what he did, gave stock answer. to say on the one hand good for mike mei kids buty kids but the government shouldn't mandate. >> then no options? >> even when you're the governor of a very large state who stood on this national stage, to go from in stage to being on a presidential one. he set himself ups as. >> one thing to govern new jersey and understand a state that has a pretty clear east coast mentality and is for vaccinations generally with some exceptions to go out into a crazy question where it's an

ideological issue. let me go to steve. this is to a lot of people like fluorite in the water was back in my day. fluoritization, calm mists manipulating through the water and socialization of water we drenk. the ideological fact makes this hot. everything now in the republican party you have to measure between established scientific thinking and then you have to go over to the other end. say how about those who don't like established scientific thinking and square that circle every single time as casey just said. you've got to meet all concerns in one answer. which is what you heard right there from the dancing bear himself. >> well, yeah. if you're chris christie and interested in running for president and being president you have toer works saying about the republican base. whatever the fixation happens to be of your party's base reeshgs responsiblive to that. with christie, interesting and particularly true so much built-in suspicion among the republican base which wen it

comes to him. he has less a margin of error. watching chris christie for years and listening to him now more than most politicians i think chris christie is really selective and really knows how to turn 0 on and off when it comes to seeing gray. he has all of these moments where you can think of get the hell often the beach, he stands up for muslim judge in new jersey. where there's black and there's white and absolutely no in between. he make as name for himself by coming down and taking firm stands, where he gets a reputation for straight talk and tell 2g like it is and all that stuff. it's interesting to contrast that with what you just heard there. where suddenly when it comes to the general electorate is here and republican electorate or parts of it are over here. so he tries to put himself in the midst. he gets himself in trouble, it's jarring for him. people are accustomed to the so-called straight-talking, plain-talking chris christie. >> this is how hillary clinton got in trouble in the drex debate and had to deep et yitliot

spitzer happy and the hispanic community and the general electorate didn't like that going on. this is called getting in the middle. jeb bush back in december this past year said republican candidates had to be willing to lose the primary to win the general. basically involve not pandering. listen to jeb. >> i kind of know how a republican can win whether it's me or somebody else and it has to be much more uplifting much more positive, much more willing to you know to be practical now in washington world, lose the primary to win the general. >> right. >> without violating your principles. it's not an easy task to be honest with you. >> nor is it 20to any of these candidates casey. going into the valley of death. i'm going to take a loss in iowa, maybe new hampshire, maybe in south carolina but eventually reach the middle of the road republicans and win this thing. a heck of a gamble.

>> a nice thought to be able to do this, set out and i think you heard his speech in detroit. tried to do it. all about the right to rise. he didn't offer really any policies that are necessarily different than what other conservatives have offered over time but the way he talked about it was different. i just -- it's going to be an interesting it test when the rubber hits the road whether or not that's going to stand up in the face of attacks from all of these other republicans, day after day after day. can he be joyful? i think anyone who's ever rahn president's campaign will say it is unusually anything but joyful. >> thank you both. brilliant it's a always you two. watch steve tomorrow morning. get up early on saturday morning on msnbc, special guest, alex trebek. athtd the last days of vietnam. filmmaker rory kennedy joins us next nominated for best picture documentary. and this is "hardball." the place for politics.

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welcome back to "hardball." by march of 1973 american ground troops finally left south vietnam. for this country the war was over, yet hostilities resumed two years later when the north vietnamese launched an all-out against the south. award-winning filmmaker rory kennedy is about the final weeks before the fall of saigon and it's just been nominated for an academy award. the film tells the courageous story of 9 american personnel who against direct orders from the white house decided to save as many of their south vietnamese allies as they could. and here's a clip from the trailer. >> the final battle of saigon has begun. >> that morning, there must have been at least 10,000 people. at the embassy. >> there was a sea of people wanting to get out. they looked up and the helicopters leaving, and i could see their eyes desperate eyes.

>> reporter: there are no words to describe what a ship looks like that holds 200 and has 2,000 on it. >> we have no more helicopters. that's t.if. >> as it took off i could see the group where we had left them. it was just so serious and deep a betrayal. who goes? and who gets left behind? >> joining me now rory kennedy, director of the academy award nominated film "last days in vietnam." congratulations fon the nomination. i guess the heart of this is something we didn't know about which is these american guys and women decided to break rules and say, look we're going to defend our allies? we're going to try to get them out of here? >> well, that was the part of the story that really excited me, and because i do think it's revelatory for many people watching it. i think you know vietnam, when we think about vietnam it was a

very dark moment in our nation's history, you know and certainly true for south vietnam. and i think to know that there were heroes during this time both south vietnamese and americans who rivgd theirsked their lives, did everything they could to save as many vietnamese as possible is a story we just don't know there they're real heros that come out of this moment, who just did the most exceptional things. r. >> what was the fate of the people that didn't get on the helicopters? >> well, you know, of course i think that the desperation that you saw in those images was based on a fear that the south vietnamese had what would happen to them, and indeed, many of them were tortured. they were killed. many of them spent years in re-education camps, basically hard labor. so you know there was real struggle for those who were left

behind. a man in our film dan pham worked with the americans. was promised we would get him out if there's was a need. he wasn't able to get out during those last days and he ended up spending 13 years in a re-education camp. and i think you know stories like that are enormously valuable and i think they're important for us to remember as a nation when we have these wars, when we engage in wars in iraq and afghanistan what is our responsibility to the people who are left behind? who are our allies who worked with us. we leave, we left vietnam, but then the dan phams of the world spend 13 gleers re-education camps. >> well said. i keep thinking about the interpreters. so many thousands in the war in afghanistan and iraq sitting in a very bad situation and we leave it. >> they're begging to come to our country and they worked so closely with us and you know they gave everything to us, and i think that we do have a

responsibility to our allies and to our friends. >> facing the possibility of death at the hands of the north vietnamese, 12i7bs fleeing from south vietnam so desperate they often took great risk to escape. this as the communist took over the city. >> our plane is surrounded here. i don't know how the hell we're going to get out. we're racing down the runway leaving behind hundreds and thousands of people. about a dozen are rung along, grabbing at the air stair, we're pulling them on as 23569 asfast as we it. there's a sea of humanity jamming on. impossible to stop the crowd. we're pulling away. we're leaving them behind. pulling up with the people -- they're falling off the air stairs. the plane is -- taking off. >> it was every man for himself. >> so what's the lesson? i guess that's too big a question, but it's about loyalty

to allies. i guess? >> well that's part of -- that's part of the lesson. i think, you know part of the lesson for me is these stories of the men who are on the ground, who did the right thing. and it's in this face and this wave of history that is moving against them andheading in such a terrible direction where we're abandoning or allies people are left to be abandoned and killed in the face of that the people on the ground did the right thing. i think there's such an inspiration and such a great message there about trying to be the best that we can be. you know? imagine if -- if you know we look at these disasters in iraq and afghanistan, if we want to see them as disasters, and different situations. if we as a country said let's be the best that we can be in these instances. let's do the best that we can.

give in where we are in time and place right now. >> so well said i. think that's a valuable lesson and these folks, you know can remind us of what our potential is really. >> royer i think we're going to hear a lot from you in years to come. rory kennedy. a great person. the oscars aren't at important as the story, but good luck. >> true. thanks. and a freakout over president obama's peach apartment the if national prayer breakfast. you're watching "hardball." the place for politics. dit score on your monthly statements and online...for free. that's pretty cool of you guys. well we just want to help you stay on top of your credit and avoid surprises. good. i hate surprises. ahhhh ahhhh are you ok? nope. we treat you like you'd treat you. we've already given more than 175 million free fico® credit scores to our cardmembers. apply today at discover.com ♪ there's confidence.

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late the country in the east. and warning consumers about fishing scams targeting customers after a recent hacking. the personal information 6of about 80 million people was compromised. gak back to "hardball.." welcome back to "hardball." conservatives are red hot, outraged you might say about president obama's remarks at the national prayer breakfast. he challenged americans to reflect on christianity's only history with violence. here he is. >> we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge or worse, sometimes used as a weapon. we see isil a brutal, vicious, death cult that in the name of religion carries out unspeakable acts of bar sherrism. and humanity hey been grappling with these questions throughout human history.

unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. and our home country, slavery, and jim crow, all too often was justified in the name of christ. >> well it didn't take long for those on the hard right to pounce on the president slamming him for drawing a moral equivalency between christian and former terrorists. and 2012 presidential candidate rick santorum said today's remarks by the president were inappropriate and his choice of venue insulting to every person of faith at a time when christians are being crucified, behead and persecuted across the middle east, and former virginia governor said, "the president's comments at the prayer beck fist are the most offensive i've ever heard a president make in my

lifetime." he has offended every believing christian in the united states. this go further to the point that mr. obama does not believe in america or the values we all share. for more i'm joined by tonight's roundtable. clarence page, column icht with the chicago tribune, april rhine, white house correspondent poor american urban net wors and author of a new book. talk about that in a minute ap i'll give april time in a minute. start with pup david, i thought it was extraordinary the president reached back 1,000 years to the crusades and talked about the evil the of the crusades beyond anything isis has done. killed in hungary and turkey. nobody can believe. we didn't learn this from watching disney movies. the amount of people killed by the crusades had nothing to do with restoring the holy lands. >> and also talked about slavery and jim crow all justified by

some not all, christian tis, belief in god. mark's abel and contain, and that stuff. his only point is before you start saying that radical islam is something different and using it to it -- realize every major religion has its time bherd it's been distorted and useed by a certain set of small extremists to violent ends and it all comes after a week or two of this new conservative talking point that the president won't call them radical islamists nap help says they're terrorists jihadist ex-treatmentist it's and the right wants to tie religion to the terror. >> the crusades in all fairness weren't launched by a bunch of outriders, but by the second christian church of 191th century. >> details, chris. >> they were -- >> that's the point. >> you say horrible but

definitely rig and christian. >> the argument is religion is used to justify great 1r50i8ensviolence along the order of isis and mentioned the spanish inquisition. >> clearly it wasn't by outriders? >> within our lifetime chris, the southern baptist convention apologized for arguing in favor of slavery justifying it with the bible for several hundred years. >> so it is -- >> no. it's not -- kwhanchts do you mean moral equivalence? >> no no. >> not bad. let's try not to be so polarizing. let's try to use nuance. because the fact is religion is used to justify evil quite often. and it shouldn't be and that was obama's point. the main thing, obama is in his last two years in office. he is saying what he really thinks now. obviously tired of people trying to demonize islam as if they're terrible and all christians are wonderful. >> i am with him. anyway you guys see how i did a bear-baiting with the chair?

anyway -- >> sorry about that. >> i think april's great to husband her time here. rush limbaugh joined the scorechorus accusing president obama of downplaying christians and downplaying islam. saying obama has a problem with our country. here he is. r. >> i think this national prayer breakfast kind of dots the i, crosses the t on all this. we have a guy, a man who really has a problem with this countries. has a problem with this nation's founding. has a deep-seeded problem with this nation's existence. he doesn't like the fact that we're a super power. thinks it's not been honestly earned. >> i thought that the walrus was smart here to avoid the -- i wall him the walrus underwater. he talks like that. didn't talk about religion. too hypocritical. >> thank you. holier than thou. >> the republicans are trying to find their way now. all about 2016.

trying to pounce on anything they can and the white house knows patriotism, race and religion one of the hot buttons that set them off. for rush limbaugh for bing carson who likes to jump on statements at any time to make himself relevant for the moment that's all that this is about. >> can i disagree with my good friend a second? >> thank you. >> i agree -- with that point, but i don't think it's just about 2016. i think we've talked about this numerous times. there's been a campaign from the very beginning to depict barack obama as the other. so someone hoop not really american doesn't believe in -- >> as rush limbaugh says he doesn't care about the country? what does that mean? >> that he's a secret muslim wasn't born here plays into this. it's at the core of obama -- >> if you're in the republican party getting smaller number compared to other people democrats. minorities jock what do youokay? what do you got to do? outspend them? what else? make sure they don't get to

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you really did a great job getting the vote out of places like cleveland and milwaukee, in other wards, black people. that's what he thinks this was all about. mitt romney's body man disputed axelrod's characterization but wouldn't he? the president has a thin skin about winning with the black charge, that's why he won, america didn't choose him. >> it was a large part of america, african-americans, women, and lbgt. he got a large majority of african-americans in the 90 percentile range. he had to navigate the waters successfully. he did not want to amplify the issue of race. but for that issue to be chided by mitt romney to talk to him

about that how dare he. this president was very tackful fultactful in how to navigate the waters. >> i was thinking i thought mitt romney looked down on him as a man. and it really bugged me because it worked. it seems like with a arrogance, you're going to get away with a debate win. >> i thought obama was overconfident in that first debate, and actionxelrod said see, and showed him. >> a lot of people were jumping up and down like crazy people but part of that is romney people too, though. one of his deficits is he can't

help but look arrogant. now we have to go to west virginia. you have taken away my victory. >> it is condescending, and after the election there was a conference call with mitt romney and funders that was reported at the time where he essentially said that obama won because he promised things to certain voters. he bought the black vote and the latino vote and everything else. like he did this unfairly and it goes back to he is not a true american, not a true american leader, he doesn't bring the country together. >> your book this weekend, if someone went to amazon or a bookstore. >> barnes and nobles any --

>> what does it say to the public? >> it is a personal and political stories that takes the veil off of the white house. there is a story about mow mitt romney brought together black reporters and i asked him about black unemployment rate and he said i do not understand. i was not speaking a foreign language or ebonics and he didn't understand. >> didn't understand a question on how are you going to bring black citizen unemployment down. >> there is a great bill clinton story. >> does it say anything good about w.? >> yes, africa the president known to have done the most for africa, but people were disenfranchised and they died. >> he should have showed up with water bottles and hand them out like lbj did.

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let me finish tonight with a sad rush to placate the enemies of science. chris christie gives a

merry-go-round answer to the question of should states require vaccines for children. bobby jindal who once praised his state's adoption of common core education standards talks about empowering parents to fight them. rand paul says that vaccinations cause mel tan problems and then says he didn't but he did. they are struggling to protect themselves from the mortal sin of current politics showing evidence of personal conviction. the game here is not say what you think and make a case for it. the game here, being demonstrated so well by a trio of tap dancers, speaking without conviction and thinking only enough to get your way around the truth. but in your agility, your ability to stroll right up to the presidency by following a

safe and well tried path of others before you. how can you add hire politicians that lack the basic human instinct to say what they believe? that is hardball for now. thank you for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes beginning right now. tonight on "all in." >> is this one of the reports that you couldn't find bad news in. >> you're welcome. >> tonight, the changing political landcape for republicans as they search for a dark side in the obama economy. >> so the headline is unemployment rate ticked up to 5.7. >> first it was vaccines now we're debating the crewusades. and the