that's it. kayla is gone. let's play "hardball." good evening i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with confirmation that the american hostage, kayla mueller is dead. she was taken by isis in all of 2013 while work fog an aid organization in syria. she was there trying to help the suffering people. today her family said she received evidence that she is dead. according to nbc, it was the evidence, a photograph which will e-mailed for her family over the weekend. we do not know how she was killed or when. isis said it was a jordanian air strike that killed her, but there's strong reason for

skepticism as josh earnest showed today. >> the information that we have is there is no evidence of civilians in the target area prior to the coalition strike taking place. and that certainly would call into question the claims that are made by isil. what is not possible to call into question is that isil, regardless of her cause of death, is responsible for it. this, after all, was the organization that wassing her against her will. >> agreed. anyway, why would we believe the isis version of the events. after all this was a group that was negotiating the release of a pilot weeks after he was gruesomely murdered. kier simmons is in ayman, jordan. what do we really know, except the parents got a picture that she is deceased. what do we know besides that?

>> really we don't know very much. u.s. officials say that she appears, and we're talking about them trying to study just a picture, just a photograph. but they say that she appears to have suffered trauma wounds that would not be inconsistent with her being in the vicinity of a bomb, but of course we're talking about syria, and syria is a place where bombs are dropped by numbers of different parties, including by the syrian government itself, and we're talking about isis, isil, as the white house calls them, where they are constantly making bombs, building bombs. so mueller would have been around the kinds of munitions that could have caused these injuries, not falling from the sky. that's really where it is, chris, to be honest. isis made these claims, the

jordanians are repeating those same points being made by the white house, that you can't believe a single thing that isis says. it is very, very difficult to be certain when she died or how she died. >> let me ask you about jordan. you're in that country right now as a valued ally of our country. they're amassing troops, ground troops on the border with syria. to what purpose? can we tell? are they ready for an invasion? is this a show of strength? our simply border protection, which would make sense? >> reporter: we think it's border protection, but the talk about a possibles offensive against isis has been building ever since the air campaign has been building in recent days. chris, some things that might have been missed, though, the iraqi deputy prime minister has said in the last 24 hours, he doesn't believe that their forces are ready for a ground offensive against isis, even with the kind of airpower that they would have in support.

chris, you'll know that the idea of jordanian troops heading across the border to fight isis would be pretty extraordinary. you're talking about a country that is primary led by a coalition government, but it's a shia government that many people think that is a country run by president assad. so you probably are relies on the kinds of forces like iraqi troops, like kurdish troops, and you really want to be certain that they are ready, and the kurds, by the way, have been complaining that they don't have what they need in order to really fight isis. that would be a bloody battle, chris, when and if that happens, i guess, and those supporting

the idea and pushing isis back, are going to want to be confident that they can be successful. >> thank you so much, keir simmons, once again from jordan. the president said today that kay mueller represented what is best about america. one of kayla's senators in arizona, john mccain, had this to say. >> this one of the young woman represented the best of us. she had a regardingable impact on the living of so many people who never had the homer of meeting her, and her story will forever be an inspiration to us.

on behalf of the american people and the united states congress, i want to express the deepest condolences to kayla's parents marsha and carl mueller, her loving family and many friends, her thoughts and prayers are with you. kayla devoted her young life to helping people in need around the world, bringing light to some of the darkest and most desperate places on earth. she will never be forgotten. >> the good john mccain. kayla's aunts also paid tribute to her. whether in her hometown or on the other side of the world, she has done more in her incredible 26 years than many people could ever imagine doing in their lifetime. kayla has touched the heart of the world. the world grieves with us.

the world mourns with us. the world wants to be more lie kayla, and if that is her legacy and the footprint that she leaves on the world, then that is a wonderful thing. i'm joined right now by terrorist analyst michael sheehan, a former assistant detect tear of defense, and also charlie sin not, exec difficult director of the ground truth project. thank you for joining us. this is a wide-open question, and i think good people around the world, including that heroic pilot who was killed in the most horrific fashion, burned alive, knowing it was coming, watching it happen in fro of the people like that. i don't even want to like at that picture. this perfect young human american, who spent her life doing only good, and killing people just for the hell of it. i don't have any idea how she died, but what do we make of this?

i keep thinking, michael, if we get somebody -- this sounds pretty tough, but when are we going to stop this? we get a person over there, we all know who they are, what happens then? do we change the rules? we tried it with her. do we have any capability to stop this hell, unless we defeat the whole operation? >> it's very difficult when there's a hostage taken. they're very good at hiding, they know the capability we have. they movie them from place to place, try to keep a low signature. i was involved in trying to find bergdahl and other hostages when i was in pentagon, we found one and rescued one in somalia, but it's extremely difficult. 'em specially with they people who have experience in hiding these folks. >> charlie, do we have in satellite photo capability to isolate? you see these things on television. we look so darn good, but is it still a needle in a haystack, finding, for instance the example of a hostage, where we see them about to carry out an execution?

can we see it? >> finding a hostage is so hard in these situations, but they did have pretty good aerial surveyian of raqa, that really did indicate where hostages were being held. there's so many facts we don't have, but one thing, just to stop for one minute and say i can't understand this at all, i don't think any of us can, but there is something here that i do have a bit of knowledge of and that i've seen into, and how this family felt all that time, how they hung on to hope. we know that through getting to know the foley family. jim foley what us a correspondent who we worked with, a friend, a colleague, great journalist. also so much like kayla, driven to service, driven to bearing witness to what was going on there, and just as president obama put it, you know, the best

among us. and i think there's something here to recognize in the family, what they have been through, and their dignity in dealing with this. i saw the foleys do the same thing. imjust in awe of this family, in the price for their daughter, in the work she did and the service she had. they talked about how proud they are of her as a person. that's amazing, an amazing testament to young people who are out there in places like the middle east trying to make a difference. it's really extraordinary. >> i'm just wonder how long we will put up this with. i understand everything you're telling me, but if we hadn't been through they wars of afghanistan and the two iraq wars, this could have been something like the war of jacob's ear or something. all right, we're going to war. all right, you're doing this to our people, even jimmy carter,

who could be pretty pacifist, if they had started executing our diplomats back in the '70s, i think we would have gone to war. when do we say enough! and just start bombing the hell out of them? are we really prosecutes a war there. >> we are, and i think we might be able to expand that more into syria as well. but chris, this has a dual-edged sword. they did this for a purpose. first of all, they're barbaric, and it's in their blood to kill people and westerners they hate. no president wants to see a young special forces captain held in a cage being ready to be burned. they're doing it to try to intimidate us so we go home. it's important that 9 president of the united states articulate why we are there, to prepare the country. >> what if we start putting people on the ground, and people who have to spot positions and targets, and they grab one of those guys? >> it could happen. we have people on the ground right now in iraq, the special forces advisers. i can tell you, chris, we are more effective the more close we are with 9 combat forces that

we're advising. >> and we're more exposed, too. >> that's right. if we stay behind and cower in hotels, we've allowed that terrorist of killing one person to affect our entire policy. >> it's a brutal story. last word, charlie. what's your sense of what we should be doing? i don't know if it's your field to say what the graent sustaining is. >> one thing is ground forces. but the other thing, in the bigger picture, how do we win it? we win it with ideas. we're a country about freedom, about freedom of expression and, you know, these terrorists at the islamic state are a kind of death cult. why would anyone want to ascribe to that or belong to that? i think the middle east is waking up, when they watched burning alive a pilot who had been downed. >> a muslim. >> we win this on ideas, and by staying true to who we are and not letting them divide us. >> there's some evil pretty manifest here. thank you both.

thanks for coming babb, charity. president obama is ready to ask congress for a war resolution against isis, but what would that look like? and how much power will congress give the president? and will american troops actually face the enemy in the field? big questions tonight, coming up here. plus reince priebus and the republican national committee is accusing hillary clinton v hiding because she's not acting like a candidate yet. perhaps he wants her in the race so the republican candidates will stop attacking each other? i'm just guessing. and david axelrod says in the book that the president was bs'ing when he said he didn't -- he said there was no evolution, but the president was always for it. finally, last october michael majoritien mocked the president's golfing ability. now we find out the president rejected a gift from jordan because, catch this, jordan

misspelled the president's first name. this is really trash talk, isn't it? that's all where it belongs, in "the sideshow." and this is "hardball," the place for politics.

today kayla mueller's family released an unpublished letter that she wrote last spring while being held. here is part of what she we'll be right back after this.

there's already the drumbeat, that insist we must have american gis on the ground. i'm not sending any american soldiers.

i'm not sending your son, your daughter or mine over to the middle of that chaos. welcome back to "hardball." that was senator rand paul of kentucky last year warning against more military engagement in the middle east. the white house is expect to do release a proposal given the congressional thorations to wage war as early as this week. the white house is negotiating with the congress over the language of what's called an authorization of -- white house press tent josh earnest said the administration is working hard to secure backing. >> in the intervening period, since the president first discussed this back in november, and even before the president made this announcement, officials had been engaged in conversations with both the house an the senate to try to arrive at language that could be supported by democrats and republicans in the house and the senate. in recent days, we have stepped up our engagement to -- with

democrats and republicans on the hill to try to finalize language that could be submitted by the administration to congress, and we're hopeful that we can provide that information relatively soon, that language relatively soon, and hopefully there would not be a significant delay in congress acting on that language. last time the congress granted a authorization was in 2002 when president bush asked for thor to invade iraq. 13 years later the president is asking a different congress -- the question remains, should american soldiers do the actual fighting? joining mess are two members of the congress, senator bill nelson, a democrat from florida. should we have american soldiers doing the fighting against isis? >> the short answer is yes, and we already are. we're hitting them from the air, and in some cases, we've already had boots on the ground, as we have tried some rescue missions. >> what about having our

soldiers join the other forces like the iraqi forces as they go to war with isis? is that something you would support? >> large standing armies, no, but forward air observers or special operations forces doing a particular mission, yes. >> what happens if they continue executing our people and grabbing them and then killing them publicly? does that increase the urgency of our involvement? does it enlarge the nature of our involvement as you see it? >> that's why we have to win that's why we have a renew the vehiclor and just look, as you well pointed out this inhumane burning of the jordanian pilot. that's not only united the jordanians, we met with the king last week, but it has united the

entire arab world from indonesia in the east all the way to morocco in the west. they are -- they are united to join us to go after and to stop isis. >> what happens if what you describe as our appropriate policy troops of forward to ground control and nose where the plane will strike, what happens if that's not enough to beat isis? >> or what happens in isis goes to another country? i think we're going to have to give the president some flexibility. he used the words "enduring forces." it's equivalent of like a large standing army on the ground. that's not going to be allowed in this authorization. >> thank you so much, senator bill nelson of florida. thank you for taking the time. >> thanks, chris.

congressman, did you hear senator nelson? he offered up the idea of a limited commitment of troops, to basically help with the spotting of targets by our air attack. basically not -- i wouldn't say not infantry moving into combat against the enemy. where do you stand in terms of restricting the president? >> i'm a bit perplexed by his comments. personally i think this needs to be the standard -- america should not go to war unless we're committed to do the things that are necessary to win, which means that we should not restrain our commander in chief if in fact that is what america wants to do. in that regard, the president of the united states has to show that he has a strategy that can result in the extermination of the islamic state. second, the president has to show a willingness to be committed to the cause. there will be casualties, american casualties, and as was seen from the islamic state, we might as americans be confronted with some very horrific events

that are on the internet or on tv. we have to be prepared for that. if we're going to embark in this endeavor. i want to know that our president is committed to the task, and has a strategy that can win, and if he's not committed or does not have a strategy, then we should not engage, rather it should be a much greater multination effort, perhaps united nations-led effort. >> that has a good sound to it, i think it sounds like doug mcaural thurl, in that case we would open and then liberate the people later and move and come home. what if you go in and fight isis, liberate areas of iraq and syria, who gets that territory behind your front? who do you give it to? that's always been my question. >> well, i would hope what would follow a defeat of the islamic state is with respect to iraq, you would have an iraqi government that would be able to reassert control over its territory, and similarly a government in syria, which

brings up another question. is the president going to use this as a subterfuge for toppling the regime. as you know, within the past couple years, this white house and secretary of state, then hillary clinton, called for a toppling of the syrian regime. so this is a very delicate situation with the islamic stays. with the syrian regime, with al qaeda on the perimeter, iran not far away, and i think the president needs to express in a way that gives american people confidence that we have a winning strategy and the commitment to win. it does us no good to get embroiled in war if we're not going to end of with a victory. >> okay. thanks so much. that was a very clear statement joining me is david corn, bureau chief of mother jones. what do you think? >> first, my condolences to the mueller family. i can't imagine what they're going through today. it's horrific, which is why

we're talking about the bigger picture. the idea that the congressman just stated of the termation of the islamic state at the hands of is the u.s. military i think is not realistic and far-fetched. >> explain that. >> because i don't think we neff bodies, whether we have the will or not, to go in there and secure that whole pores of the middle east. >> there's 30,000 of them. >> they control large swathing of land. when we went in with iraq, there's not a political solution. if you don't have a sunni awakening, you can't you can't do it on your own. even the bombing raids that we have targeting isis. every time they hit a civilian target, it radical ices the sunnis. >> i agree with that. i think the government of iraq, and we just heard that the reason jordan won't go on the ground against isis, they don't want to be on the same side of assad. >> this is not a dispute. if you go into syria, you topple

the assad -- the eye -- i stronger -- >> let me throw this at you. are we going to let they continue? i agree with all this stuff. are we going to let them execute people? at ma point are we going to say we're going to blow that place up? when do you explode as a country and say we're not going to take that anymore? >> that's a good question, but acting out of anger and revenge, while it would feel good, probably would not get us the policy ends want. it will -- they're appropriate, because -- you can have tremendous empathy for someone like the young woman kayla, because we've sort of gotten to know her. but what happens -- i just don't know how long we can take this

as human beings. i'm thinking of rambo kind of stuff, because at some point you have to go in and do the best you can, and you're not going to be very proud of yourselves. >> we try to use indiscriminate bombings. >> i'm talking a type of extraction campaign. >> to the degree you can do special forces, and we've tried that with hostages. sometimes it's worked, sometimes it hasn't. i blip president obama is committed to do that when it's possible, but as michael sheehan said, it's hard to locate these people and figure out what to do. whether we're going to sort of go in, you know, with ground troops and take on the military responsibility ourselves, that's exactly what isis would want. i don't think we can conquer isis if the regional power and forces don't figure out on their own that it's most in their interest to do this with our help. >> i agree. baghdadi doesn't want his head blown off, either. thank you, david.

this is a very fliblting situation. up next president obama rejected an autographed poster from michael jordan, because jordan misspelled his first name. this is a bit of a tiff, and that's where it belongs this is "hardball," the place for politics.

♪ back to "hardball." time for "the sideshow." while the debail over childhood vaccinations have been divisive, conan o'brien came up with an absurd solution last night, one that allows parents greater choice, like chris christie sell he wants at the same time maintaining public health standards. >> there's a new daycare center that's figured out a way for vaccinated and unvaccinated kids to still attend school together.

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bomb, the the inscription read to barrack. the problem is the basketball legend misspelled his name. when axelrod gave the signed poster, the president refused the gift saying he couldn't put it up, so axelrod kept it, eventually hanging it at chicago university's institute of politics, where it remains today. this towel snapping between jordan and the president may be the way they carry on. rest last october when he took a shot at the president's golf game. >> never played with obama, but i would. that's okay, i would take him out. he would be a hack. >> you really want to say that? the president of the united states. >> i never said he wasn't a great politics, but he [ bleep ] golfer. >> no, he's not a bad golfer. >> okay. >> it continued when the president fired back on wisconsin room. >> there is no doubt that

>> of course, jordan is the majority owner of the charlotte bobcats franchise, now known as the charlotte hornets. up next, why is reince priebus and the republican national committee going after hillary clinton for not getting in the presidential race. perhaps he wants republicans to stop attacking each other. that's next for the roundtable. you're watching "hardball," place for politics.

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welcome back to "hardball." reince priebus must have noticed the contendest spent last week jabbing at each other. today in order to get the focus back on the opposition, he launched a new campaign called hillary's hiding. it downlines place since she's done an interview or visited early caucus states, in those

early states as well. with a similar theme, hiding hillary. there's a saying in politics, only talk when it improves the silence. well, ryan priebus's new campaign worked to flush her out. former rn chair. this is going to be fun. why are they trying to get her out there. >> isn't she in a perfect position? >> she's winning. there's not a chance she's. >> she can do this for a long time. >> it's perfect. they can crail all this noise and buzz around her. but attacking the fact she's not talking? how do you do that?

>> you think he's a brilliant guy? >> tactically it's just smart to engage an opponent. so i mean, this playing -- >> how many roads will she hughes next november because he 'trying to scare he out there the democratic party is very expert at scaring themselves into action, but this sort of thing only works if the focus of the attention even cares. she couldn't care less, and so they can do everything they want. she's going to go on her own

timetable, not care what they do, and that's 9 right thing to do. >> isn't the primary concern of most of the people around hillary, what job they're going to get in the campaign? >> that's the number one -- >> am i going to be deputy communications director? >> what's the size of my contract? that's absolutely right. the time will ken when hillary clinton is going to have to come out and answer questions, do press conferences, but that time isn't yet. >> she doesn't need to do it now. i would say one of the mistakes they made is we're going to announce sometime in june or whatever. you don't need to tell anybody anything about your timetable or schedule. when you're ready, you announce. i think that they are kind of backing off this sort of proactive getting out in public phase and letting things ride to the spring. >> you remember after the midterm people are asking whenever you getting in? >> and then it stopped. the media, we're not pushing her to get in. many people know it's a smart

move. >> maybe we are. >> you you want something to write about. >> but how many battle on the ground, forward watchers, actual gis confronting the enemy. these are tough questions, or just let them continue to execute people night after night. >> she probably has to answer some questions anyway. what about this authorization for military use of force? i think she probably has to -- >> she voted for one. >> can i say one thing, though? can we relax a bit? none of these people have declared for the presidency of is the united states? >> okay, papa bear, what is this? who are you? let me tell you what we do here. this is the place for politics. if you want to play hoops or something, whatever you want to do, this is where with el play politics. >> there's no expectation -- >> it's already begun, michael. this campaign has begun.

>> but from the candidates' perspective el, they don't have to answer your questions. we are watching polls in states like new hampshire and iowa already. your party doesn't seem to have a natural leader, everything is in the teens, the big bush name is about three points ahead of scott walker. so if i were you, i would be worried about the fact, i want this campaign to move faster, but it is moving now. i think largely it's because there is -- there is this stage now where people are getting out and touches the grass roads to doerm that momentum. you still have two or three governors. >> who is coming in. >> mike pence possibly, certainly bobby jindal is there, john kasich. >> that's one of three. >> i want two or three. >> one of three might be interesting. >> but they're all going to be interesting players once they

get on the field. >> do you really think mike pence could be one of your -- >> sure he could. >> oh, my god. >> good grassroots, good connections with the base, and he's a guy who translates well. >> who's the last guy from indiana you were pushing? mitch daniels. >> what is it about you guys? boring indiana. >> that's a very east coast attitude being from kansas, you always think the people from the middle of the country are boring, and it's not true. eisenhower, a kansasen. >> it's unbefitting. roundtable is staying with us. david axelrod saying --

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we're back. in his new book, david axelrod reveals in the 2008 campaign, president obama didn't believe what he sauce saying about same-sex marriage.

here's axelrod. >> there's no doubt that his sympathies were very much on the side of allowing gay couples to marry. he also recognized that the country wasn't there yet, and that we needed to bring the country along. he was sensitive to -- there was a lot of resistance in the black community. he took a strong position in favor of civil unions, but it was always, i think -- you know, when i think about the things we had to deal with over the course of my association, this was always the most vexing issue, because there was some part of him that so wanted to say, you know what -- >> in his new book, "believer" axelrod recalls after he stumbled on the issue in a debate, he told axelrod, i'm not very good at bs'ing. david axelrod will be here tomorrow. this is an interesting knock.

david seems like a great guy, taking a shot at the president, on something -- why is it so vastly important that the president didn't come out and say i'm -- i think even as late as 2008 was a tricky position. >> tricky issue, but i don't see david taking a knock so much as the president. >> he said it was vexing. >> well, putting it in context, because a lot of -- and as a senator in his home state of illinois, a state senator. >> he had been out for it. >> he was not out -- you know, waving the flag for this issue. so it was clearly a political calculation that the president made. i think david put it in the right context, you know, the president couldn't find himself bs'ing on this issue as well as others could, but having said on that, the president changed the conversation --

>> joe biden changed the conversation. >> give credit where credit is due. >> is it article mortal or venias sin -- you're giving me a face. >> i'm shocked -- shocked that a presidential candidate played politics on a highly vexing social issue like marriage equality. a lot of gay people knew that then candidate obama was in favor of it. in fact there had been some reports about a fund-raiser in new york city -- my exwas finally there, i just found out about this a couple months ago, where the candidate said, listen, i'm there with you. i'm not going to be able to -- >> it was a gay group. >> it was a fund-raiser. i'm not going to be able to do anything right away, but just know -- >> wink-wink. >> yes. >> this conversation would be

completely different if doma had notten overturned, if the president hadn't stopped defending doma up against cord challenge, if he hadn't done don't ask/don't tell. the problem i had with the president after vice president biden put the president in a box, was that you had the president's actions which are highly pro-gay rights

term for politicians which is rolling disclosure. they tell you the truth when they feel like that. >> they tell you the truth when it's convenient, easy, or safe to their that with you. i think joe biden forced the hand on this issue, but at the end of the day i think they understood that this president was saying one thing to one group. >> remember fdr who most people look up to dramatically, they're telling people your sons will not fight in the foreign war through the 1940 election knowing all the time he was hoping to get us involved in europe. he wanted to fight the nazis and everyone knew it. >> what we saw with the president on marriage equality, we saw him bringing the country along, he did the same thing on

don't ask don't tell. i'm going to can have a ban on gays serving in the military. he tries to fulfill his campaign promise. we got don't ask don't tell that ended up being worse than the policy he tried to erase. now president obama comes into office, the gay community goes bananas -- >> i'm going to ask you the hottest question of your life? >> is obama secretly wanting single payer and he is hoping that it will fail -- >> i think yeah, single payer is the ultimate game. >> he does not want it to fail. >> but if he gets single payer out of it he won. >> he won't. >> i'm an opinion writer, i have not had enough time to study the issue to give an informed -- >> that doesn't stop most

people. thank you jonathan, susan page, and michael steele. when we return, how we will deal with this isis horror story, and it is real. you're watching "hardball." you want i fix this mess? a mess? i don't think -- what's that? snapshot from progressive. plug it in and you can save on car insurance based on your good driving. you sell to me? no, it's free. you want to try? i try this if you try... not this. okay. da!

hey matt, what's up? i'm just looking over the company bills. is that what we pay for internet? yup. dsl is about 90 bucks a month. that's funny, for that price with comcast business, i think you get like 50 megabits. wow, that's fast. personally, i prefer a slow internet. there is something about the sweet meditative glow of a loading website. don't listen to the naysayer. switch to comcast business today and get 50 megabits per second for $89.95. comcast business. built for business. let me finish tonight on this. i don't hear a plan on how to deal with isis. people lopping off heading and doing who knows what to a young woman. i don't hear a plan, i hear what

the jordanian air force is doing, what the people may do, but not stopping isis from doing. are we going to act towards isis the way we act toward the growing federal debt, or how bad it is that we all have to do something knowing it will sit there? are we going to let the isis horror show continue week after week after week without end. i believe the bush administration and the neo-cons threw all of the generals in saddam's army out the door. i suppose people on the hawk side will say it happened because president obama pulled our troops out of iraq. either side is coming to fully imagine what happened with the terrorists.

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