supported the war. it's important to have that voice. >> yeah. eric and sam, thank you. "the rachel maddow show" starts now. >> thanks, my friend. this is henry, a very, very wealthy man. right now there are only 99 people in the united states wealthier than him. he's worth like $5 billion, not that there's anything wrong with that. henry tonight is hosting a dinner at his home. i'm sure his home is lovely. in order to get into the dinner into his home, in order to buy a ticket, you need one simple thing. you need $1 times $100,000. and you have to want to give your $100,000 to jeb bush. jeb bush for president super

pac. $100,000 per person. for a fund-raiser. that ticket price is shocking, even by wall street standards. but it turns out that the shock is part of the tactic here. this in part is jeb bush showing off to the other would-be candidates for president in 2016, that he can get people to shell out $100,000 per person for a chicken dinner for him at this stage of the race. they call it shock and awe fund-raising. and it is aimed, yes, at raising a lot of money. but it's also aimed at the other candidates in the race to make them feel it's futile to compete. jeb bush is doing it now in his run for the presidency. but the all-time king of this tactic is jeb bush's older brother, george. >> of course, cash is king in a race for a presidency.

george w. bush rules. we continue in-depth. here's lisa meyers. >> reporter: to win the presidency, the bush campaign needs to suck up cash like a texas twister. and so far, it's on track. other candidates complain bush's turned the republican party into his personal atm. leaving everyone else starved for cash. by the end of this month, bush's war chest may top $20 million. more than the rest of the field combined. opponents complained bush's strategy is to overwhelm everyone else and drive them out of the race. his critics may say george w. bush lacks depth when it comes to his policy positions, but now there's fresh evidence of the incredible depth of his financial support. >> by all accounts the numbers are staggering and unprecedented. the question now is, can other candidates survive. >> the other candidates did not survive. george w. bush locked up basically all the money in the race on the republican side in 1999 and 2000, locked up all that money, really early.

and with that, intimidating, some say even pro heb tiff fund-raising advantage, he forced out of the race the people who were best placed to compete with him for the nomination for president in 2000. that's how he won the nomination. and then he won the presidency. and now w.'s younger brother, jeb, is showing he's mindful of his brother's legacy, as he mounts his own run, apparently in much the same way. $100,000 a ticket to go to this dinner tonight. but you know, if you are the third bush trying to win the presidency in less than 30 years, you can't just be mindful of the time your procedure ran. you also have to be mindful of how your father did it as well. george h.w. bush, he had been ronald reagan's vice president, ran basically as ronald reagan's vice president. the more searing experience was when he ran for a second term.

when he ran for reelection in 1992, he did not win. bill clinton beat him. and for all the indelible moments over the years of things going wrong for candidates while they were running for president, you know, gary bauer falling backwards off a stage while flipping pancakes at a photo-op, or dean screaming, don't do it! and putting a tiny person in that giant tank. for all of the indelible presidential campaigns, bad moments over the yerks, john kerry reborn. the most indelible presidential campaign moment, that happens not just to candidates, but to a serving president who was running for reelection, one of these indelible moments that happened to a serving president was what happened to george h.w. bush, when he was running for reelection in 1992. he had this remarkable staged for the press moment in florida, involving a carton of milk, an apple, and his own wide-eyed

amazement. "the new york times" headline after this after this happened, bush encounters the supermarket amazed. he grabbed a quart of milk and light bulb and candy and ran them over the scanner. he saw the item and price registered on the cash register screen. he was quoted as saying, i'm amazed by some of the technology. in the years since that happened, people have tried to debunk it. of course, papi bush had been in a supermarket before. he just said he was amazed by it, because it's still amazing all those years later, right? even with all the pushback, that story stuck. it did not help papi bush, about how you pay for stuff in a

store. you would think that that story looms large in the bush family psyche of things that can go wrong when you are running for president. but now we're faced with the apparent inevitable candidacy of one of papi bush's son. and the challenge that he's got is that he has to define himself as a third kind of bush. we had pappy bush, and we had george bush, and he has to differentiate himself from the two previous presidents from his own nuclear family. what he appears to have settled on is that he wants to be the tech bush. e-bush, if you will. now, here's the first problem. it is hard to seem like a tech-savvy candidate for president if you never thought to buy the website address jeb bush for president.com.

but that web address actually belongs to two adorable bears in oregon. they own the website. jeb bush is the e-bush, he never thought he might need that address, so they got it. this week, the jeb bush for president campaign, rolling him out as the tech guy, they did start a big public buildup to some new jeb bush for president website they were launching. we knew it would not be at the obvious url, because the guys in oregon own that, but they publicized that they were going to launch a new site. they said it would go online at midnight on tuesday. that's kind of a dramatic choice. they said it would be a website with unprecedented transparency about this campaign. unprecedented online release of jeb bush related information.

stay tuned for midnight. and when it went live at midnight, we found out what it was. the website is jeb bush e-mails.com. type that into your browser. this pops up as the splash page. and the website is all about how much he loves the e-mail. e-mail kept me connected to floridians and focused on the mission of being their governor. he talks about how many e-mails he reads. his nickname when he was governor was they called him the egovernor. but the launch of egovernor, ejeb bush is big tech coming out. it's run into another significant problem. have you ever heard of the phenomenon of doxing? basically means somebody's decided to hurt you, to maliciously go after you on purpose by posting online your

real personal information. your private personal information. so that could mean something as simple as your full name and your personal e-mail address, also maybe your date of birth, your physical address. in extreme doxing attacks, it could mean your bank account numbers, your credit card numbers, your medical information, your social security number. all your private stuff posted online for anybody to see. that's doxing. this is the headline at gizmodo. jeb bush basically just doxed thousands of floridians. what jeb bush just published as part of his big campaign rollout this week, what he just published were not just e-mails that he wrote to people in florida, when he was the governor of florida, it wasn't like a publication of his own correspondence, what he published are the e-mails that people sent to him. hundreds of thousands of them. he published them indiscriminately, including people's specific identifying

information, personal information, real names, real addresses. the personal medical information of this child listed by name, including his diagnosis. and what medications he was using for his treatment. full names, full addresses, real working phone numbers for people who wrote to jeb bush with all sorts of long involved emotional personal stories, because he was their governor and they wanted help. medical diagnoses, problems with the law, work related issues. going through this stuff, i was surprised how much medical stuff there was specifically. but it's all there, published by jeb bush online, including people's real names with nothing blacked out. this jeb bush document yesterday includes people's full legal names, along with their full social security numbers. we blurred them out here, but they were not blurred out in what jeb bush posted online yesterday. i mean, even if you set aside the social security numbers and phone numbers and addresses and full names and medical

information and perm stories that he published online yesterday, there's the matter of the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of personal e-mail addresses that he posted online yesterday from these poor people who had the bad luck to write to him. even people who thought ahead about that, and wrote things like this, in their e-mails to jeb bush. this person wrote this big long personal e-mail and added on to the end of it, look, please do not make this e-mail public to anybody. i do not want my privacy violated especially by the media. and then jeb bush posted that, that whole e-mail at jeb bush e-mails.com. doxing. jeb bush had to face reporters about this, whether he even understood what he had just done to all these people. >> the social security numbers released, a lot of personal information, folks are upset. >> that was a matter of public record, so we just released it.

>> would you do it differently? >> we have private information that's out there. we're going to take it off. for sure. >> you did that hundreds of thousands of times. jeb bush and the jeb bush for president folks initially did try to defend the release of those e-mails saying all of that personal information wasn't technically a secret. anyone could have requested it to the florida state government. and that is the way the law works in florida. but it's one thing to obtain somebody's personal e-mail address, personal information because you were trying to get it from the state of florida by way of an open records request for old personal e-mails that people sent to the former governor of the state, if you thought to do that. it's another thing for that governor to create a flashy new website that invites you to read all these personal e-mails. so you can appreciate his tech-savvy candidate who could one day be the epresident. after initially defending what

they had done, they said they started doing after the fact reductions that they never bothered to check before they posted these documents. presumably they will start with the social security numbers and make a case by case determination whether you have your name blacked out and your address and child's name, and list of medications your child takes. maybe they'll take it down later. they'll get to it eventually. all this tech stuff is hard. so that has been the rollout of jeb bush as the electronic bush, as the tech-savvy guy among the republican candidates. i will say, though, that was only day two of the rollout of ebush for president. day one started with jeb bush announcing the hiring of a new young hip chief technology officer, to run the technology for his presidential campaign pac. the guy they hired was a co-founder of hipster.com. hipster.com was supposed to be

like instagram, but different once upon a time. in 2012 hipster.com got famous because they had to apologize publicly. people noticed if you signed up for their hipster.com app, they would upload your entire address book off your phone without your permission and take all of your contacts. they were telling people without telling people they were doing that. they apologized. aol bought hipster.com. about a year later aol shut it down. the hipster.com founder is who jeb bush tapped to be his chief technology officer. when the jeb bush folks announced they hired him this week on monday to start this rollout of jeb bush the tech candidate, that hiring announcement started this long awkward afternoon of the new guy they just hired of having to delete parts of his twitter history. because it included tweets like this. most people don't know that halloween is german for night

that girls with low self-esteem dress like -- new study confirms female art majors are -- science majors are also -- but uglier. so he seemed nice. the jeb bush campaign folks, i don't know where they found him, but they initially put out a statement saying that while they believe those comments were inappropriate, basically no big deal. they said they were inappropriate. they didn't approve of those comments. they wanted them taken down, but he's a great talent in the tech world and we're very excited to have him onboard. while jeb bush was excited about his new hire, turns out the ugly -- stuff was just a taste. that was just the chief technology's record of strongly worded opinions which he posted online before he was hand-picked to run technology for jeb bush

without anybody apparently noticing this about him before they hit send on the, look who we just hired e-mail. turns outs the ugly -- time of his life didn't get into the stuff he previously had written about the blacks, and mlk, and how africans learned differently than whites. yeah. jeb bush's new chief technology officer tried to apologize via twitter for the tweets and #learning, #maturing. that did not save him in the end. late last night that man resigned. the comments do not reflect the views of governor bush. day one of jeb bush's rollout as the egovernor, talking about how terrible black people are. day two he accidently doxed a significant portion of the population of florida. and had to fire the technology officer.

this is how he's going to run, apparently not just as a former governor, but as the former egovernor. he's also not going to write a book to run for president. he's going to write an ebook. you want to know what his ebook is about? it's based on his e-mails. and part of the rollout of his etech savviness, he made clear yesterday he not only knows what twitter is, he knows how twitter sounds. you would be surprised, turns out twitter sounds remarkably like a turkey. >> the twitter universe, there are heads exploding right now, as i can feel it. like -- >> twitter turns out gobbles like a turkey. the beep beep boop boop thing in the supermarket counts your milks. and running for president is harder than it looks.

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we have breaking news from the white house.

this is just happening within the last hour. it concerned the family of kayla mueller, the hostage whose death in syria was confirmed this week. there is new reporting about the efforts that kayla mueller's family made as they tried to win her freedom from isis. but also about her family's continuing effort tonight to try to set the record straight, now with new help from the white house about what their daughter actually experienced personally. during her time as an isis hostage. there's been a flurry of anonymously sourced news reports about this tonight, about what might have happened to kayla mueller while she was in custody. the family and white house basically pushing back on that tonight. joining us with the latest is andrea mitchell. andrea, thanks very much for being here on short notice. >> you bet. >> just go right ahead. >> the issue is that the family is distressed. because of that distress, they persuaded the white house to put out a statement tonight which

does involve declassifying some intelligence, things that the white house does not usually do. the national security council issued a statement debunking and denying reports that have been published widely. they've been on other networks. we have not published these reports, that kayla during her captivity was under the protection of an isis commander. and implications, it's very distressing for the family, it had been denied, denied to me by intelligence officials, denied. and not confirmed at all by the state department or the white house. but at this stage, they're putting this statement out tonight just to try to reassure people, and to try to protect the family from these continuously anonymous circulating reports. which i think did originate with a foreign intelligence service. but nothing that to the best of my knowledge has been confirmed by any of the u.s. intelligence agencies. >> i do not want to further the information that the family and white house said is incomplete.

just to be clear in what is being debinked here. the implication is that she somehow was in cahoots with her captors, being described as a hostage isn't fair, that she somehow was willingly associated with at least one man who was a fighter in isis. and that is what the national security council is saying they want people to not believe. >> and normally they would not deny these things, because it would involve intelligence. but what they're saying now is, this is too important, this family has suffered enough. these reports are simply not true? in terms of the national security council, i'll read you part of the statement, so people know exactly what they're putting out. out of respect for kayla's family, we have not detailed her time in captivity. we made clear in the past we don't discuss intelligence. at this time given the distress that anonymous reports are causing her family, we are providing this comment with the mueller family's consent. reports that have been published

by certain news outlets regarding her time in captivity are speculative and unproven at this time. the u.s. government continues to analyze any information regarding her captivity but not corroborated the multiple theories regarding the conditions throughout the duration of her captivity. basically, as far as you know, andrea, does the family have a direct line to the white house, that they were able to ask for this personally? that's how this happened? >> yeah. those in the national security council have been working with them for 18 months. that is partly how, with isis threatening to kill their daughter, they persuaded hundreds of news organizations and reporters, including myself, not to report her name, not to report her identity until, as you know, she was outed by isis itself. they do confirm, people have confirmed to me that the -- at one point the family was so desperate with a 30-day execution warning from isis, that they did ask the president to commute the sentence of a

very powerful and prominent terrorist who's been -- a woman who has been in a texas prison, an al qaeda terrorist, and convicted woman, and the white house did not do that. and that 30-day period elapsed and they got proof of life, so they knew that threat -- they did everything to try to save their daughter. with the cooperation of the media. but since her death, it's been widely reported, i mean, just all sorts of rumors and reports that, frankly, i was aware of before she was outed, before she died, and we have not reported any of this. and other people have. and it's very distressing to a grieving family. >> nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. andrea, thank you for being here tonight. >> you bet. >> the white house putting out a statement tonight from the national security council, declassifying information

regarding intelligence they would not otherwise have declassified, and they did it out of respect for kayla mueller's family. reports that have been aired not by msnbc or nbc, basically by other news outlets that kayla may not have been an unwilling hostage with hostage. very distressing to kayla mueller's family. andrea further reporting tonight that in addition to the ransom demands isis made for her, at one point they demanded a prisoner exchange. the family asked the white house to go ahead with the prisoner exchange. the white house did not for all the reasons they do not do it under other circumstances as well.

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make no mistake, this is a difficult mission. it will remain difficult for some time. it will take time to dislodge these terrorists, especially from urban areas. but our coalition is on the offensive.

isil is on the defensive, and isil is going to lose. >> president obama at the white house today making a formal request to congress that they, the retroactively authorizing the war we've already been fighting for more than six months now. it's awkward. they've been relying on the congressional vote that was taken right after 9/11. which authorized the u.s. military to fight the people who carried out the 9/11 attacks. that's the authorization until now. the down side of using that vote from 2001 as legal justification for what we're doing now in 2015 is obviously what we're doing now in 2015 has nothing to do with 2001 and 9/11 and osama bin laden and all the other things that congress meant when they passed that resolution 14 years ago. that's the down side. the up side, however, is that that thing is still laying around, available to be used. if it feels like we're always at war somewhere, but we never talk about it anymore, it's because we are. once congress decided to go to war after 9/11, they made no

plan for ever stopping that war. and so the authorization for post-9/11 use of military force, that has morphed indefinitely over the years to effectively authorize military force anywhere, anytime, indefinitely. today president obama announced that he would like, finally for the first time in more than a decade, for congress to take another vote. on authorizing military force. this time, specifically against isis. and this time he wants to do it a little differently. most importantly, this time the authorization won't just go on indefinitely forever. the authorization for military force that president obama proposed today comes in with a built-in expiration date. it expires in three years. as a country we decide we want to keep fighting after that three-year period, we certainly can. but congress would have to take another vote. >> so this resolution will give our armed forces and our coalition the continuity we need for the next three years. it is not a timetable, it is not announcing that the mission is

completed at any given period. what it is saying is that congress should revisit the issue at the beginning of the next president's term. >> if the case is compelling enough, that men and women from america's armed forces should be put in harm's way, in a war context, because the case is so compelling that we need to be doing that, then it shouldn't be that big of a problem to win a vote in congress for them to do that. that's the way it's set up, right? but the timing, the three-year timetable, that would be awkward. if the congress passes this resolution that president obama proposed today, to give legal authority to fight the war against isis, it would expire 2015, plus three, carry -- it would expire in 2018. maybe everything will be over in 2018. maybe that will be longer than what the military needs to complete this fight. but if it's not, that means that three years from now, in 2018,

with the new president starting his or her second year in office, there will be a congress ramping up toward the 2018 midterm elections. it would be awkward. obviously a vote at that time on war, would be a politically awkward thing. very politically difficult for lots of members of congress taking a vote like that in an election year. but that is a feature, not a bug. congress is supposed to vote on war. and it's not supposed to be easy. congress hasn't voted on war in more than a decade. while they've not said beep, we've been fighting wars for more than a decade, and the country hasn't much noticed, except for members of the military and their families have watched as the civilian population has drifted further and further from the wars that are supposedly fought in our names. but it is supposed to be congress' decision. it is supposed to be a hard call for congress. it's cooked into the constitution that way, so we don't remain a country constantly at war. fighting a war is hard enough for american service members. fighting politically about whether or not we ought to have

a war is also supposed to be difficult. and that hard political fight finally belatedly just started today. joining us now, senator chris murphy of connecticut, ranking member of the foreign relations committee. nice to see you. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> you've been outspoken for the need for basically a national progressive approach to foreign policy. and to national security. you've argued that the hawks essentially so define our national security range of debate, that progressives, people on the left side of the spectrum, ought to speak out more firmly on these issues and decide more, essentially who the progressives are on this issue. does this authorization for the use of military force fit into your argument on that? >> well, i think this debate is the defining moment for progressives. the fact is, the only interesting foreign policy debate that's been happening in congress over the past five years, has been between john mccain and his intervention allists, and rand paul and their

isolationalists. we want america to play a role in the world. we just want to make sure we learn from the mistakes of the past ten years. the biggest mistake was thinking that the massive deployment of the massive ground troops in the middle east was going to cure a problem that was really a local political and economic problem. we created more terrorists than we actually killed during the ten years that we were in iraq. so this is a defining moment, which is why many of us want to proceed with this authorization. but make sure that it limits us in a way that makes sure that we don't repeat the mistakes of the past, i.e., that we don't put another 100,000 ground troops inside the middle east to fight isis. which won't make this country any safer. that's going to be a defining moment for progressives who want to be present on foreign policy debates, and want to shape some ground for ourselves having learned the lessons of the last decade. >> what do you think about the specific language that the president included in this draft today, that he says is meant to

preclude any authorization of a large-scale ground force of the kind you're describing? what do you think about his language? >> i think it's remarkable the president is submitting authorization language to congress that actually binds him, that restricts his powers. that is probably unprecedented in the post-world war ii era. that being said, i think we're going to have to finesse the language that he's given us. he has two limiting factors in his draft. he said the troops can't be enduring, and that they can only be defensive. there's absolutely no precedence built up around those two worse. enduring might be a year, but john mccain it might be ten years. the department of defense is by its nature offensive in its operations. so these are terms that we're going to have to work with. but i think the president has made it clear, he's not going to put major combat troops on the ground. we want to make sure we have an authorization that holds true to the promise he made to the american people. >> the authorization language proposed by the president today

would sunset the iraq war authorization from back in 2002. it would leave the post 9/11 authorization in place which has been used to justify all sorts of things that have nothing to do with 9/11, or al qaeda over the years. is that on the table in terms of the debate? and is the proposal from the president duplicating some of the problems from that 2001 authorization by defining not just isis, but isis and associated persons or forces? is this another kind of authorization that could essentially justify wars all over the place? >> this is a huge issue. we've got to make sure we get the definition of the enemy right here. because what we're seeing is that all sorts of terrorist groups in other parts of the world are now flying the isis banner. and if by simple affiliation with isis, the united states is now at war with those organizations in those countries, then it opens up a

pandora's box. not for this president, because i trust him, but for the next president who will get the authorization for at least a year. we've got to get that definition right. here's what we can do with the 2001 legislation. we can sunset this authorization. maybe we can't figure it out right now, what should replace the 2001 authorization, but we can at least put a sunset on it so it forces us to come back in one, two, or three years to get that authorization right for the first and final time hopefully. >> senator chris murphy, speaking very clearly about this, but also broadening the discussion. i think energizing a lot of people who usually are feeling alienated from this. thanks for being here tonight. thank you. >> thanks, rachel. >> much more ahead. please do stay with us.

more breaking news to report tonight. this is really awful news. very sad news. having to do with a hugely respected veteran reporter in the news sdri. it's just been confirmed that

longtime cbs news "60 minutes" correspondent bob simon has died in a car crash tonight here on new york city's west side. a vehicle that bob simon was riding in is reported to have rear-ended another vehicle on the road and run into a median on the highway op the west side. both the driver of the vehicle that he was in and bob simon himself were removed from the car. mr. simon died at a hospital later. we currently do not know the status of the driver of that car. bob simon, longtime correspondent for "60 minutes," has been killed in this car crash. bob simon was a correspondent for cbs news, covered the war in vietnam. recently covered the unrest in the middle east. including in iraq. and egypt. bob simon won more than 20 emmy awards over the course of his career, the peabody award, and other highly esteemed awards, in the decades. the sad news breaking within the last few minutes.

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>> how long? probably 30 seconds ago. >> shortly after police arrived on the scene, they found the bodies of three young people. >> he was a doctoral student at the dentistry school. they were married in december. his younger system was studying architecture at north carolina state. all three excellent students, all three muslim, all three of arab decent. and in addition, the fact about their ethnicity and religion has led to suspicion they could have been targeted and killed because of their religion. their upstairs neighbor has been

arrested, 46-year-old craig stevens hicks. he's been charged with three counts of first degree murder. the father of the two young women said there had been friction between craig hicks before, saying mr. hicks had worn a gun before saying -- >> the police chief said, we understand the concerns about the possibility that this was hate motivated. he'll exhaust every lead to determine if that is the case. that said, the chapel hill police said the preliminary investigation indicates the crime was motivated by an ongoing dispute over parking at the apartment complex. parking? maybe that explains what happens, an everyday argument over where to park the car,

taken by one party to an awful level of violence. but the families of the victims say they are not convinced. again, here's the father of the two young women just killed. >> we heard from the media, not from the media, from the police that each one of these children had a bullet in the head. it was an execution style, this was a hate crime from a neighbor. our children spoke about him. >> police say they are investigating that possibility it could have been a hate crime. it's not clear what the motive was at this point. as for what it's worth, the suspect's wife told reporters today in a live statement that she's convinced this had nothing to do with religion. >> i can say with my absolute belief this incident had nothing to do with religion or the victim's faith, but in fact, was related to the long-standing parking disputes that my husband had with the neighbors.

and our neighbors are various religions, races, and creeds. >> whatever turns out to have been the motive for these killings in chapel hill, look at this. thousands of people have gathered at unc for a vigil to honor the victims. joining us now is the mayor of chapel hill, north carolina. mayor, thank you for taking time to talk with us tonight. i know this is a difficult time for your city. >> yes, it has. all our hearts are hurt tonight, as we're just trying to find ways to comfort ourselves in the face of just unspeakable and a very difficult to understand event that happened. >> what's the status of these efforts that obviously a lot of people are concerned with beyond their grief at the crime about whether or not this may have been a biased related crime that targeted these young people because they were muslim?

>> you know, i actually was just earlier this evening at a table sitting with our police chief, members of the community, including the council on -- the council on american and islamic relations. we were discussing just that, how should this investigation continue? our police chief was very clear -- everything is on the table. we are committing every resource and every relationship with every other jurisdiction, including the federal government, to investigate what could have motivated this man to act in this really irrational or impossible to understand way. the earlier statements released recounted the initial -- the initial reasons that were provided. but i know, and i'm sure you and your viewers know, that there is a lot that needs to be learned. i expect that we will learn a

lot. we've also received the confidence of the community and those i was meeting with tonight, that they believe our law enforcement officers are doing everything they can. and i will continue to insist tonight. >> i imagine you're heartened tonight at this vigil. a ton of people out there tonight. >> yes, it was an extraordinary event. i stood on the stage and looked out and could not see the edge of the crowd. it was perfectly reflected of what kind of community we have here at chapel hill. we have a well-earned tradition of being considerate, welcoming, compassionate, and peace loving community. while the events of last night are a jarring contrast to that reputation, what occurred tonight in that vigil truly represented what the values of this community are. tonight, the people of chapel

hill, the student body at the university are committing to living up to those values and we're standing with each other to provide that compassion that's needed to get through these very difficult times. >> mayor, thank you so much for your time tonight, sir. good luck to you. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back. stay with us.

tonight, congress teed up president obama for his first veto since 2010 and the first veto on a big thing in forever. by a vote of 270-152, the house voted tonight to force approval of the construction of the keystone pipeline. the president promised to veto this legislation and house speaker john boehner said the president is standing with a bunch of left fringe extremists and anarchists. >> we build pipelines around america every single day. >> yes, yes, we do.

we build pipelines all the time. and as we await the first substantial veto of the obama presidency, we've got ourselves a little scoop about how that's going. and that will be here tomorrow little scoop about how that's going and that will be here tomorrow night. "first look" supp next is up next. good thursday morning. right now on "first look," breaking details unfolding at this hour of a possible ukraine cease-fire just announced by russia's vladimir putin. more breaking news bob simon tragically killed in a new york city crime crash. the president's aggressive plan to step up in the fight against isis the fifth largest lottery in american history worth well over a half billion dollars and three big winners. plus new details surrounding the murder of three north carolina students. an civilians take down a driver involved in a high-speed police chase. thanks for waking up and joining us t