unanimous nod of approval from the senate armed services committee earlier this week. president obama expected to design a bill improving suicide treatment for ptsd but took his own life. that's going to do it. a thursday edition awaits of "morning joe" right now. very cold on the east coast right now. this comes to us from brooklyn, new york. it's a cautionary tale about irony and karma and about the dangers of making your dog wear little footies. >> come here. come here. come here.

>> all right. welcome to "morning joe." 6:00 on the east coast. that's sad. >> what's that? >> i thought you said that's sad. >> no, good stuff. still eating my oatmeal. it's all a very good day. howard are you? >> i'm good. ready for this nice weather. >> dear lord if you're in the new york area i've been checking all the maps and i talked to bill karins me tells me this time tomorrow morning, 6:00 new york it's going to be minus 237 degrees. >> no. >> it's like on -- it's going to be the scene at the beginning of the "empire strikes back." it's going to look like a ice planet hoth willie and we're going to have to find out. >> we're going to be riding. >> we're going to have to find luke. he's out there somewhere, right? >> colder than minus 273. >> where? >> burlington vermont. >> don't do that.

>> home. >> willie our good friend here donny, obviously going to boca right? >> as a matter of fact, going to south beach, yes. my kids -- well, it's washington's birthday. you take your kids away for the weekend. >> i think that's what george washington would have wanted it. washington would have loved south beach. there was a big debate about, you know right before the whole thing kicked off in 1776 the revolutionary war. they said we base ourselves here. south beach. >> i don't think the -- >> washington loved it. >> he really did. those curtains and everything. anyway we're going the start with news now with tv's own mika brzezinski. >> let's start in washington with the war debate happening there. and democratic and republic lawmakers appear to be in a agreement about having concerns that the obama's formal request to use military force against isis. he says the authorization to cover military operations for

three years. once again state it would not involve troops on the ground. >> now, make no mistake in is a difficult mission and will remain difficult for some time. it's going to take time to dislodge these terrorist, especially from urban areas. but our coalition is on the offensive. isil is on the defensive and they are going to lose. the resolution we submitted today does not call for the deployment of u.s. ground combat forces to iraq or syria. it is not the authorization of another ground war like afghanistan or iraq. >> the request prohibits, quote enduring offensive ground combat operations and there are also no geographical limitations. the vagueness is leading to questions on both sides of the aisle. >> i believe that if we're going to authorize the use of military force the president should have all the tools necessary to win the fight that we're in.

and so as you've heard me say over the last number of months i'm not sure that's a strategy that's been outlined will accomplish the mission the president says he wants to accomplish. >> there is no limitation no statue of limitation on the original 2001 authorization. i think that's a key problem. the other major issue is the language preertaining to ground troop, broad, ambiguous. none wf us knows what enduring offensive combat operations means and deliberately i think drafted to be ambiguous. >> does the president need to be more clear? >> it depends on who you talk to. i mean you're not going to have foreign policy experts and military men and women like this idea because most of them have an attitude like colin powell had the attitude. if you're going to go to war, you don't want a fair fight. you throw everything at it. you don't trickle in trickle out.

that's how you get caught in these endless occupations. i still believe to this day that it was donald rumsfeld's obsession with a light footprint in iraq and the ignoring of colin powell's use of force doctrine that actually caused a lot of problems. of course george w. bush handled. agreed with. but, howard you listen to both sides and you really understand the pull that the president is feeling. and that is a pull that actually is reflected in the american people, who, one don't want to see americans get beheaded, our allies getting burned up by isis. but at the same time, they don't want to spend another 12 years with boots on the ground in iraq. so the president has got to free the world of this scourge but when he's talking about no ground troops in iraq, he's not by himself. he's got about 60% of americans behind him. >> so this is fascinating. first of all, i happen to agree

with the president's position. but that's neither here nor there. this may actually be the first real legitimate debate in congress for the last four or five years because this is not a partisan debate. there's people on both sides on both parties. the outcome of the debate doesn't really matter because they can say whatever they want. the president has the power to do what he needs to do. if the president turned around -- unless the resolution passed as written he can turn around and send in ground troops tomorrow. which is the way it should be the president would have power to decide what the military policy should be. this is a great thing. i think it's very good the president went to congress. i think they're going to get every viewpoint and i don't think it's going to be particularly partisan. we need the national debate. i agree with the way this is going. >> this is not going to be partisan. you're doing to have republicans, you're going to have reservations, you're going to have democrats that are going to want to be more aggressive. a lot of cross currents going

on. we may have something break out in the house of representatives that never breaks out. >> right. >> i'm serious. a true debate. let's go to nbc news correspondent kyra simmons who is joining us now from amman. how are they reacting to the debate in washington? >> reporter: i think one of the ways that it's going to be viewed from here is as shedding some light on a timeline because maybe the decision has to be made there in washington before action can be taken here. just listening to your conversation there as well, though mika another possibility is that the -- being clear about how u.s. troops will or will not be used is pushing the regional powers here and those in iraq to say, okay we have to do something. there is a sense of a building towards some kind of an action. if i would say a ground offensive is very likely of some

kind because, in the end, you can't defeat isis from the air. then the question is okay what kind of ground offensive is that? it looks like it will be heavily supported by the jordanians if it happens. the sunni, the kurds, the baghdad government. it's a difficult coalition to bring together. that's the trouble. >> keir it's willie. how heavily are countries like jordan and the gulf states rely og the united states expecting and hoping they will weigh in heavily as this debate continues here? do they want big numbers of ground forces? they have our support in terms of weapons but do they want american troop there's with them? >> willie you know, as well as i do that anything like this without substantial u.s. backing is just not a no-go. you have to have the u.s. on the side and the air strikes are largely carried out by and planned by the u.s. but that doesn't necessarily

mean that it has to be u.s. troops on the ground because it can be u.s. equipment, it can be u.s. resources, and help with training in alliance with some of the other regional powers here. i mean that is possible. but here's a crucial thing, though willie. as you know back when al qaeda in iraq was defeated back in 2005 that took an uprising in iraq and it took the u.s. military to make that happen. and question you have to ask yourself is whether or not those forces in iraq have the ability to carry off something that the u.s. military, in all of its training and resources, was able to do. can the iraqis really pull that off? >> keir simmons, thank you very much. >> you know mika front page of the "new york times" on this story about -- out of north carolina. chapel hill, the killing of three muslims, just -- and the pictures are heartbreaking, just they look like wonderful

wonderful kids. and you read through this story and this ongoing parking dispute. because when i hear parking dispute by the cops oh, that's a bunch of b.s. they're trying to cover up hate crimes. but this guy this guy that shot them was constantly coming over harassing them with rifles. said he was an atheist attacking christian on line angry man. you shoot three people in the head over a parking dispute? >> it's unbelievable. when you hear from his wife it becomes more and more confounding. >> the family think, though that it was a hate crime. and you, i guess this is what's going to be unpeeled is whether his obsession with them parking

in, i guess, his parking place, was driven in part by his hatred not only of them as muslims but also his fierce hatred of christians anybody that believes in god. let's go to reporter on the scene joining us now from chapel hill north carolina nbc news correspondent mark potter. mark, we saw unc students holding a huge vigil last night. want to hear how the community is coping but are there any clear answers from either side on this? >> reporter: no clear answers yet. but a lot of controversy and a lot of grief in this community as you indicated, mika. there was a big vigil at the university of north carolina last night. by our count, 2 to 3,000 people there mourning the loss of these students whose lives were caught so short. where i'm standing right now is front of the condo building where these killings occurred. that upstairs condo is where the suspect lived. the victims lived on the first floor behind him. now, as you said the police say

that this killing was sparked by a dispute over parking spaces. but the victims' families are just not buying it. they don't believe it. showing no emotion, 46-year-old craig steven hicks came to court facing first degree murder charges for allegedly shooting to death three of his young neighbors. it occurred late yesterday afternoon in a quiet chapel hill condo complex. residents called 911. >> i just heard gunshots. i don't know what building it came from but i heard skids screaming. >> reporter: a family member said police told him all three were shot in the head execution style. the victims were muslims who had grown up in america. they're identified as 23-year-old dee a barakat, planned a trip this summer to help syrian refugees and the woman he just married in late december, 21-year-old abusoha about to start dental school. also killed her sister

19-year-old rasan, studying arc techxture at nc state. because of islamic state, there was immediate concern the victims were targeted because of their religion. >> it was a hate crime from a neighbor. our children spoke about their uncomfortable with. >> chapel hill police and other authorities say they believe the shootings were the result of a>> the events of yesterday are not part of a targeted campaign against muslims in north carolina. >> reporter: the suspect's wife agreed it was a dispute over parking. >> i can't say with my absolute belief that this incident had nothing to do with religion or victims' faith. >> reporter: at the condo complex, residents are mourning the loss of three young neighbors. also last night the chapel hill mayor said the investigation into the killing continues. he says that finding as to motive is preliminary and this police are still looking into

that. back to you. >> all right, mark potter thank you very much. >> it's so heartbreaking. these three young beautiful kids who literally had their entire lives in front of them and successful. senseless. >> beautiful, beautiful kids. we're all sitting here stunned. i wonder what the research tells us that the average american when they hear the word muslim comes back. is this kind of built-in i guess nor rant hatred just for that word where we all know 99.99, whatever it is. i wonder what the actual reality is in this country as far as ignorance to what the word muslim means because what we see on the news, the extremeist, the fundmentlists is obviously the obscured minuscule. how much hatred is underneath what's going on in this country now. >> i think you talk to most muslims who live in the united states and they tell you they get a bitter shake here and a

bitter chance here. less prejudice here than anywhere else in the world. >> i don't think that's not an issue. >> what's that? >> i think it's a question. i think there is built-in hatreds that turn everything stinkts, wron what happened here but the question is there for a reason. >> of course there are. you don't know it happened here. this could have been north carolina's version of zimmerman, you know going around chasing around a guy because he's black and claiming he was just trying to protect the neighbor. lady, this guy was just trying to protect these parks places but he happens to do it with three muslims students. >> one thing you have have to keep in mind with these horrible cases, the people under -- the perpetrators are all crazy to one degree or another. these are not balanced people ppts true there's a lot of bias against muslims and we shouldn't -- if you have bias against people the normal response is not to go out and kill execute three people in a parking lot.

>> especially two young women and -- >> once you're crazy, you're crazy. anything is on the table. that's the problem. i have to raise this. what the hell are people like this doing owning guns? >> there's this debate going on but whether it was over parking or it was a hate crime, i would submit kit be both. they're not mutually exclusive. you can be angry about a pashing spot because of hate. we don't have facts yet. it's not an either/or proposition proposition. breaking news in europe where russian president vladimir putin announcing a cease-fire set to begin midnight on saturday in eastern ukraine. talks ran for more than 15 hours with leaders of france and germany taking part with ukraine and russia. fighting continued in the region today leading up to putin's announcement. more than 5,000 people have died in the conflict since last april. let's bring in nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely live from london. bill, do we think it's going to hold?

>> reporter: well, that's the big question. and it is an agreement that's modeled on a cease-fire agreement from six months ago that frankly wasn't worth the paper it's written on. and this is an amended version of that. these were extremely difficult negotiations according to the german foreign ministry. intense discomfort around this table as ukrainian president pairpar shank cowas face to face while putin continues to deny russia's direct involvement in the fighting in eastern ukraine, much to the dismay of the german chancellor and french president. we have an agreement, a cease-fire that's to begin on midnight on the 15th. heavy weapons apparently to be pulled back within two weeks. now, you can already see room for disagreement wiggle room there. and german foreign minister has said this is not a comprehensive solution. it is certainly not a

breakthrough. so the devil is in the detail. it remains to be seen in the next couple of weeks whether this deal, unlike the one in september, can stick. >> all right. bill neely, thank you very much. possible 2016 contender in wisconsin governor scott walker has made his way to london. >> they all go to london now. >> but then they don't ask questions or answer questions. it's all bad. >> what do you mean? >> yesterday he met with british chancellor and finance min store george osborne. like chris christie who came just a week earlier walker's purpose was to talk about expanded trade and investment between wisconsin and the uk. the governor did something christie did not do on his trip the politics of foreign policy stop at the water's edge. he refrained from offering an opinion regarding the fight against isis and arming the ukrainian rebels. but he also punted as he put it on the question of evolution. >> are you comfortable with the idea of evolution, do you agree

with it, do you accept it? >> for me i'm going to punt to that one as well. >> no. really? >> that's a question a politician shouldn't be involved in in one way or the other. i'm going to leave utd up to you. >> any british politician right or left wing, would love to say, yes, of course evolution is true. >> to me it's just one of those where i'm near to talk about trade and not pontification. i love the ef evolution of trade and wisconsin and i would like to see a bigger evolution as well. >> thank you very much. >> clarified in a series of tweets writing, quote both science and my faith dictate my belief we are created by god. i believe faith and sigh wrens compatible and go hand in hand. it's unfortunate the media chose to politicize this issue during our trade mission to foster investment in wisconsin. joining us from washington msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt. kasie, that answer by scott walker, was like like a kasie

hunt question? >> i don't know. >> kind of a gotcha in an innocent way? >> an innocent gotcha. kasie, they keep going to london. they keep having these dust-ups. >> they do. in some ways scott walker overlearned the lesson of chris christie's trip. he took it so far to refuse to answer that basically wasn't about wisconsin cheese which was the subject he was sort of there to do. but this one was interesting because it's a question that comes up all the time in the rm primary process. and for somebody who is opening an office in iowa which scott walker is doing, you know, the last two people who won the last two republicans who won in iowa both were proponents of intelligent design. rick santorum tried to amend the no child left behind about to promote it. mike huckabee wiz one of the people who raiseded his hand thoon debate stage in 2007 saying he doesn't believe in evolution. i'm not sure the gotcha question is the right way to characterize it but it certainly is something

that has had relevance in the past. >> it's a question that's been asked, howard at debates. and it always puts -- it puts republicans in this terrible position, they think, because nobody has -- well, i guess scott started to say but you would say i can believe in evolution and god. >> this is a particular problem for scott walker which has not been an issue yet but it will. scott walker, if president, would be the first president in in m ages that did not have a college degree. he did not finish. it's not dancing around the evolution for political positions, the issue is how well educated is this guy? >> are you serious? >> i like that. >> are you serious? >> yeah. >> you're saying he didn't manage to qualify, he didn't finish college? >> i think there are going to be a lot of people who worry about that. >> do you worry about people who don't finish college? >> i worry about people in the

united states not knowing much about the world and not knowing much about science. i worry about that. >> let's name the people that didn't finish college that have changed the world. >> hairy truerry truman. >> bill gates? >> nobody is accusing scott walker of having the intellect of bill gates. >> nobody is accusing scott walker of being dumb because he didn't graduate college except you. >> i didn't say dumb i said not knowledgeable. >> what's the difference? >> there were issues about him not graduating. he lost a student council presidential election and there were allegations that there was some -- something not right in that election as far as something that didn't -- >> oh, god, i can't believe you guys -- i'm not saying he's stupid. clouds about why he left college. >> how do you know his unknowledgeable? he's knowledgeable about what's going on in his state? >> what in the hell does that have to do with him answering the question the way he did?

>> evolution is a widely accepted scientific construct and people who don't believe in evolution either do it for hard right religious reason or because they don't know anything. >> what you're saying is that mark zuckerberg might not believe in evolution because he didn't graduate from college, either. >> i didn't say that at all. i said that first of all, mark zuckerberg and bill gates dropped out of college for different reason 'they had started what became titanic companies that changed the world. scott walker didn't finish college for who knows what reason. donny was talking about him. i think that is going to be examined on the campaign trail. i think it should be. i think having an education about what goes on in the rest of the world is pretty important to be president of the united states. >> i got to say, and i'm looking through the hall of fame of people that didn't graduate from college. it's pretty remarkable. i think scott walker got through 3 1/2 years of college. of all the things that i have that impact me in my daily life

a college degree is like near the bottom of them. i mean i got a great education. i got a great college degree. but i know a lot of people you look at peter jennings peter jennings didn't graduate from high school. one of the best, most well read guys in news from anybody that knows him. they're all around us. i'm just saying trying to attach him not going to college to not answering the question on evolution, i think is -- how would you say, a demon stretch. >> i think if you don't know anything about science, that's a problem. >> how do you know he doesn't know anything about science? because he only went through college 3 1/2 years? >> no because he doesn't believe in evolution. >> that is an uneducated answer. not because of college but that is an uneducated -- >> he said i'm not going to answer the question. >> don't you have an issue with a politician who says i'm punting and not answering the question? that in and of itself -- >> that i agree with.

i think he should have said what he tweeted. >> it's not about college. >> can i help everybody it out here? >> yes. >> here you go, republicans. so they ask you this question about evolution. you say yes, oh, gosh he doesn't believe that god created man and the earth in seven days. you can say that evolution. and faith are consistent. science and faith are consistent, that god -- you believe god created the world and you believe in science. it's really simple. >> as opposed to i'm punting. >> it's really simple. this is a problem every four years. and you know you'll have liberals from, you know vermont asking this question trying to set conservatives out -- >> who are physicians who care about science. >> and the question is why do you set up over something you shouldn't be set up. i believe in evolution. i believe in science. i believe in the word of god. >> you know who we should ask about this? >> who? >> someone who went to harvard and yale.

samantha power is going to be on next hour. we could talk to her. it's valuable. >> we could talk to bill gates. >> okay. >> inject one last thing just because donny brought it up. marquette university running for president sophomore years. accusations of skull duggery because of newspapers who endorsed his opponent mysteriously disappeared from campus although blim wasame was never determined. >> i don't think that's why he dropped out of school. >> i just report. >> stole newspapers. >> you're not reporting, just making stuff up. >> that was -- i didn't make that up. >> that was a thing. >> there you go. skull duggery. >> that's not why you dropped out of school. he dropped out of school because he got a job after he got married after his third year. we'll check this out. kasie, thank you so much. >> yeah. okay. up next we're going to remember the life and legacy of bob simon.

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welcome back. so, mika, just to to we follow up. "the washington post" wrote a story about scott walker leaving school a couple days ago. they said the explanation was

simple on walker's part. he got a job. he meant to go back and just never found the time to go back. he made it all of the way to his spring semester of his senior year. so got the job and -- >> that ask unusual with six months to go to leave college. i'm not saying anything is wrong. most people leave college don't leave after 3 1/2 years. >> there doesn't have to be a greats conspiracy year. i've had friends who quit school senior year because they had had enough. not everybody, you know, goes to the school of hard knocks like you. >> the school of business. >> here you go. >> i just throw that out. >> on your yacht. >> a lot going on right now. >> really sad news coming off the west side highway last night. tragic news. >> yes. bob simon, the veteran "60 minutes" correspondent was killed last night. his colleague scott pelley delivered the emotional report.

>> we have some sad news tonight from within our cbs news family. our "60 minutes" colleague bob simon was killed this evening. it was a car accident in new york city. >> simon was in the back of a town car that hit a mercedes at a red light. simon's car careened into metal barriers and he was pronounced dead when he got to the hospital. the two drivers survived. >> simon led a remarkable career working for cbs news for 47 years and "60 minutes" since 1996. he covered vietnam and was one of the last -- on one woft last helicopters out of saigon. he achieved near celebrity status in israel riding a motor psyche to scenes while covering the middle east for years. he was there for the end to fatah and became close to prime minister playing tennis with him before his public assassination. in 1991 while covering the gulf war he and his crew were taken

into captivity and beaten with canes for 40 days which he wrote about in his book. >> we skau a jeep in the distance. and it was an iraqi army jeep. and they took us away. and we eventually wound up in the secret police headquarters called muhoborat and treated very badly. >> yesterday they were released in baghdad and this morning they talked with ed bradley. >> bob simon producer peter bluff, cameraman roberto alvarez, and sound man juan caldero. >> has this change you? >> yeah. >> how? >> i don't know. too early to tell. >> simon said he was sure he would be killed if cbs executives had not lobbied mikhail gorbachev to intervene because simon was jewish. his last report to air before his death was on the new movie "selma." he is survived by his wife and taughter tanya who is a producer

for "60 minutes" herself and father and daughter were working together on a report on ebola for this weekend's "60 minutes" broadcast. bob simon was 73 years old. >> what are your thoughts? >> something about the cbs family, especially the "60 minutes" family and the veterans that you can't really find the words to describe the kind of reporters they are and were because when you watched bob simon's stories you were enriched, you were enchanted, you were charmed, you were educated. and you have to watch his stories to understand the kind of man and the kind of reporter he was. >> will will i? . >> willie? >> when you look at the pictures right you and you have to draw in your mind the image of foreign koesht. it's bob simon. it's him in war zones, riding his motorcycle around tel aviv. the former and executive producer. jeff fager called him reporter's

reporter which you have there. that's a good way to describe him. jeff also pointed out the added tragedy of a man who survived so much over his career, losing his life in a car on the west side highway. >> so easy we watch this little box and we see people like bob simon all over the world in these situations and you just take for granted that they are literally putting their lives on the line every day. and i didn't know him but colorly i just a great man. >> and like mika said one of the last helicopters out of saigon saigon, a guy who covered all the wars all of the conflict, captured in iraq got through all of that and died on the west side highway in a senseless accident. our thoughts and prayers are with the simon's family jeff fager, "60 minutes" family and entire family of cbs news. we'll be right back.ch ing performance can mean lower returns and fewer choices in retirement.

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the president ceo of the international rescue committee david. david, obviously, we continue to focus on the chaos in the middle east isis, the united states trying to figure out what sort of resolution they pass along to the president, what sort of authorization. talk about the chaos that's being caused though in that region, the refugees that

continue to spill over into jordan and to turkey and other areas. how destabilizing is it for the entire region? >> there's an implosion going on of monumental proportions in the middle east. what's striking at the moment is wars between countries are much rarer than ever before. it's a pretty peaceful period of human history not withstanding the ukraine situation, we'll come on into that. wars between states is rarer but there's never been this amount of civil war. there's never been this number of people displaced over conflict. i think there are two reasons, mainly. weak states. 30 or 40 states around the world cannot contain ethnic and political and religious difference within peaceful boundaries. secondly, the international system is weak and divided. those two reasons come together to create a degree of anarchy and my organization national rescue committee, is now in 35 countries. we're having to deploy to ukraine today. we're sending an emergency team to ukraine.

that's the last thing we need because ear overstretched in syria, somalia, west africa and ebola. >> david let's talk about ukraine. possible cease-fire this weekend. >> not just a possible one but an agreed one. we will know the three days before a cease-fire are the most dangerous period. more killing in the three days before a cease-fire than in a week before. but it's a real diplomatic coup america merkel. what we face is where a million people have been displaced from their homes is whether the cease-fire is a cover for more violence. that's the strategic question that europeans face in a very serious way because russia is on their doorstep. >> here's what i don't understand about this. i understand nobody wants to confront putin and europe for a lot of business reasons and other reasons. >> willing to confront him economically. >> but nearthey're not really willing to do that. the sanctions could be much

tougher than they are. >> i think they are having a real impact inside the russian economy. >> what's the end game here? i don't personally and i don't think people expect putin to keep his word and so i disagree it's a coup for mrs. merkel. >> tactical coup. >> but two weeks from now it may not look like that. when do we confront putin and make him stop? >> the thing about rush a is the combination of one hand assertion and power, they know that they're stronger than the ukrainian military. on the other hand, a huge victim complex and they believe they are the victims of a western plot. now, the game as you put it for europeans, is that they have to get together so that their energy policy is properly integrated because that's their biggest leverage. at the moment european countries get picked off one by one. european unity is a big part of it because until russia respects europe as unified block it's not going to be able to enganl with it. the other side of the coin of

course, is that the russian overdependence on oil and gas is not good for yup peens s europeans or russians, either. the sense of victimhood is real. >> as you know well, the cease-fire will come and go and putin's ambition will not change about what he wants out of this. he wants to assemble the old union. what else is in the tool box for the west beyond sanctions to stop him from his ambitions? >> he certainly feels that the collapse of the soefviet union is the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century. i think he recognizes a subzefient government in kiev is more likely outcome than occupying kiev or making ukraine part of a new soviet union. the baltic states poland they're not going to become part of the soef yoetviet union. he's looking for a near abroad on the border more subserveient and less engaged.

it shouldn't have to make a choice between being either russian or european. the tragedy of ukraine is it's either a vessel or an enemy of russia and it needs to be neither. it needs to be engaged with europe but also engaged with russia because of its pivotal position. >> the tragedy for putin right now? i'm going to add to the, the tragedy for him right now is that oil is at about 50 bucks a barrel. if it were at 125 or $130 i suspect he might be there longer. >> interesting part of russia. the russians are willing to suffer for their national pride like no other people on earth. it's extraordinary. >> yeah. >> and that's why the sense of victimhood has got to be understood. the first rule of diplomacy is put yourself in the shoes of the people on the other side of the table. i think you've got to see russia as a tragedys well as the kind of assertive aggression that you're referring to. from our point of view from an humanitarian organization we knee across the world we're

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welcome back to "morning joe." here with us now from capitol hill, member of the foreign relations committee, republican senator cory gardner of colorado. senator, good morning. let's begin with the president's proposal for the authorization of use of military force. we got the outlines of it yesterday from the president. do you agree with it? do you like it? >> again, this is something that is one of the most important issues this congress will face. it's important the president prove and move forward h his consultation with congress on his plans and his strategy for defeating isil and the terrorists. there are lots of arguments from the left and right you're going of hear over the coming week and month. i look forward to a debate to make sure we have the right strategy. i want to make sheer we haven't restricted overly the president's authority. i want to drive a tragedy that is not just one of degrading but defeating striss. >> what do you think the eight strategy is? >> the president is commander in chief. he has to come with us with a

plan tactical actions that will defeat not just degrade, isil. this conversation that they started whether it's enduring operations, whether it's closely related, the language in the aumf is going to be closely defated. no surprise to the man people every word is going to be poured over to make sure this is the right authorization to get the job done. >> so what -- for you, what do you think the right approach is? >> the right approach is to make sure this president is not restricted in his ability to defeat isil. that being said, however, if the president believes it's necessary to use words to gain buy partisan support, i'm open to that conversation. i also think the tenor and tone of this debate is important because if you send the wrong message, if it's over vitriolic, if it becomes an thees sage it sends to our terrorists is the wrong issue to be sending. >> some are criticizing the

president for being vague. the issue here if you're too specific you run up about what you're warning here? >> senator rubio said a one sentence aumf is appropriate, defeat isil. others belief the use of the word enduring on the left allows too much opportunity for the president to bet overly involved. there are people on the right who believe that's a restriction never been done in an amuf before. again, this is the very beginning of a process. congress has the ability to write the aumf and the consult consultation is important but it's important that the tone we set is one of defeating the terrorists and making sure we give our men and women in uniform the support full strength of the united states. >> would you like there to be language in there with the people of colorado your candidates s

constituents. if you look a the language itself it says no enduring offensive operations. that leaves the way for special forces. the question is does it allower to us to protect the free syrian army for instance. that's up for debate. i think the people of colorado are interested in defeating terrorists who are becoming a direct threat to the homeland. if not already. we need to make sure we provide our men and women in uniform, this commander in chief, the authorization from congress to get the job done. >> all right. thank you. up next, we're going to have senators joe manchin and pat toomey teaming up to join us right here on "morning joe."

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make no mistake this is a difficult mission and it will remain difficult for some time. it's going to take time to dislodge these terrorist, especially from urban areas. but our coalition is on the offensive. isil is on the defensive and isil is going to lose. the resolution we submitted today does not call for the deployment of u.s. ground combat forces to iraq or syria. it is not the authorization of another ground war like

afghanistan or iraq. >> the president of the united states talking about an authorization that he is seeking today that is already drawing criticism, but not just criticism from the right. also criticism from the left. who believe it's too open ended. mika from the right, they're saying it's not specific enough. yesterday we of course had "washington post" legend bob woodward on and bob woodward said his reporting out of the pentagon suggested that generals and admirals were concerned because there was no war strategy. that debate will continue. but you are hearing from capitol hill that the president's foreign policy the president's approach as he goes into this war that he says is such a critical war, just isn't focused enough. there are a lot of people that want to take the colin powell approach who famously said when you go to war you don't want to fair fight. you throw everything at your

enemy. you kill your enemy. you achieve your objectives, then you bring the troops home. >> president obama says the authorization would cover military operations for three years. but once again stated it would not involve 2r507troops on the ground. the request prohibits, quote, enduring offensive ground combat operations and there are also no geographical limitations. the vagueness is leading to questions on both sides of the aisle. >> i believe that if we're going to authorize the use of military force the president should have all the tools necessary to win the fight that we're in. and so, as you've heard me say over the last number of months, i'm not sure that's a strategy that's been outlined will accomplish the mission the president says he wants to accomplish. >> there is no limitation, no statue of limitations on the original 2001 authorization. i think that's a key problem. the other major issue is the language pertaining to ground

troops, which is broad, ambiguous. none of us knows what enduring offensive combat operations means, and deliberately i think drafted to be ambiguous. >> all right. go ahead. >> i would ask quickly. harold, do you believe that the president can achieve his objectives, which is to grenade, defeat, and destroy isis without boots on the ground? >> probably unlikely. if you listen to military experts, they all agree that it's likely that we'll sneed to put troops on the ground. we hope we would have our friends and allies in the middle east that would go with us including the jordanians. i understand peeker boehner's concern. it's wrong when you say you're going to military effort to exclude anything to be a military effort. donny said something off line. taking the president at his word he's willing to do what it takes to win but to be definitive about no combat operations raises legitimate concerns. >> does it mean that events

cannot change that? >> sure. >> he can make any move he wants. to me to tee it up the way he did because we all know 67% of americans will go like this obviously it's still an enemy that is forming itself. so if we need boots on the ground that's what we will do. >> the president here though interesting one. not exact comparison. we did this for quite some time with the no-fly zones. we adopted a containment strategy. a containment strategy was basically made, saddam hussein irrev lent more or less. we kept him in his cage with a no-fly zone. you keep quoting colin powell but colin powell also said if you break it you own it. you go in with maximum force but he was not in favor of going in. the president figures we have to stop these guys. somebody else in the region has to supply the troops. otherwise, we'll do containment but we're not doing destruction. >> the beginning of the colin

powell doctrine said identify the interest. the president has to follow through on the entire thing. identify the type of force used. until your point, the number broken, we have to be willing to state the long-term offensive. >> mika we keep talking at the powell doctrine before that the weinberger doctrine put to the as reaction to vietnam. you don't go in until you know what the trigger event is that will take you up. why is the octoberive you have to achieve and mistake that americans have made time and time and time again is they have gone into war half-assed. ly say it. they have gone into war half-assed. a little bit here, a little bit there. see what happens. they end up using american men and women as targets foreign mys, for suicide bomber for snipers to blow their brains out. if you are going to war, go to war to win war. if you're not going to go to war to win war, then keep our men

and women home. this right now continues to seem, to me at least, to make more of a halfway approach. >> how would you vote if you were in congress? how would you vote the way this resolution sounds like it's being framed would you vote yes or no? >> i would vote no right now. the president doesn't have a strategy. you talk to generals who will tell you the president doesn't have a strategy. you talk to democratic foreign policy giants, they will tell you the president doesn't have a strategy. hold on. this is important. you talk to foreign ambassadors, both friends and foe, they will tell you the president doesn't have a strategy. i'm not willing to send more americans to die until the president knows exactly what he wants out of this. and this incrementalism this leading from behind is not good enough. >> validating his point. first of all, joe, we didn't even hear the world isis isil in six months.

this is a new enemy. you agree with the president. basically what he's saying is he's leaving his option. you can call it indecisiveness. we don't have a strategy. hey, look i am not sending americans over -- >> wait. >> a year ago he called isis jv. >> this president has spent the past two years -- >> you're agreeing with him. >> no, i am not. >> you're saying you would not send boots on the ground until we know exactly what ear -- >> harold asked me a question. the question was how would i vote on this. if i was in congress -- >> based on what we've heard. >> i would vote against it. i would tell the president please go back to the white house and do your job. get a clear coherent strategy. bring in the top foreign policy minds in washington and around the world and let's get a strategy to defeat isis. because this incrementalism this halfway approach, this reluctance to call this war what it is it's what -- it's what leads us into places like

vietnam. it's what led us into places like korea. it's what led us of we sgloe what led us into vietnam is the military claiming we could do all of these things and weapon couldn't. we had half a million troops in vietnam, twice as many in iraq. no comparison. >> they would take the hill. they would surrender the hill. it was again, it was once again us getting -- >> we had no exit strategy. >> again. going back to what colin powell said don't go to war nms you have the triggers efbt ss events that's going to get you out of war. we don't have any of those questions answered. >> this whole conversation actually really puts -- makes the challenge all the more clear. let's go to the pentagon now with nbc news chief pentagon correspondent. squlim jim, what are your hearing from your sources and also what is the risk of being less vague? >> well, you know the u.s. military leadership always wants to have a clear strategy with

quite frankly, no limitations. and they don't feel they have it here because, in fact there are limitations put on these operations the very fact that this authorization would rule out the possibility of large numbers of ground combat forces just sends a signature gnat to the enemy, according to military officials, all they have to do is sit and wait this out. now, at the same time, however, this policy of containment is perfectly acceptable for the leadership now because they have nowhere else to go. air strikes are pretty much the only thing the u.s. can contribute now and until the iraqi military is in a position to actually sustain any gains that may be -- that may be achieved through ground operations by the iraqis, according to general dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, we're just painting over rust. we're not getting to the root of the problem. now, the idea about ground

troops has been particularly vexing if in fact they are limited. you will remember that general dempsey in testimony before congress said look if i think the u.s. military to succeed we needs ground troops i will recommend that to the president. the president has taken that off the table. >> let me ask you, mik, follow up on our talk yesterday with bob woodward. and i know we've spoken with you and you've said some similar things. but i want two specifics from you to see what you've heard around the pentagon. woodward reported yesterday on "morning joe" that the pentagon the generals and admirals were very frustrated with the president for two reasons. the first reason he didn't have a coherent strategy. they thought he was muddling through this. and secondly, they were angered by the level of micromanagement coming out of the white house. what have you heard on those two points? >> you know, it not only the generals but it's many of the civilian leadership that are

somewhat, i wouldn't say angered but frustrated by the micromanagement they're getting out white house. again, we go back to the military strategy here and they do believe this is a strategy of containment only. but again, for the time being, this is such a complicated situation, that the u.s. -- general dempsey himself said we don't want to rush to failure. they want to take their time. again, putting any limits on the u.s. military is to the leadership is just not viable or acceptable form of strategy. >> jim, we always love having you on. greatly appreciate your time. jim at the pentagon. >> i vote no too. i share your opinion. until you layout what we're going to accomplish how you plan to accomplish it and a way to move on afterwards, 7th p you're going to invoke general powell's name as you talk about a doctrine i'm not comfortable with it right now. i'm prepared to take stronger action but i need the president

to layout what our goals are and how he's going to do it. >> let's look back. >> i don't think that's unreasonable. >> let's look at over america's hicks since 1945 end of world war ii, since vicktory and the great war. think about the trillions of dollars we have spent on defense. think about the hundreds of thousands of men and women we have sent overseas. think about the results we have had. we've lost korea. really because of macarthur we're able to fight it to a draw. but we didn't win korea. we lost vietnam. we did pretty well in the first gulf war but we ended up losing it in the end. >> i think there would be some who deliver deliver with you. we laid it out and followed that plan. >> the powell doctrine worked there. unfortunately what followed up the follow-up war, bungled that up. >> right. >> some of george w. bush's

people would say that we ended up winning that war because dexter and other reporters who said it was chaos earlier said there was stability and peace there. that was lost. so the iraq war, we lost iraq. iraq is in a much worse position than it was at the very beginning. and we have a president now who is asking for a $540 billion defense budget. we keep fighting wars that we keep losing or at least not winning. we keep spending money on military equipment that the pentagon doesn't need but the military industrial complex wants. we keep putting military bases across the world in places that we don't need. we allow two of the four most powerful economies in the world, japan and germany, to have u.s. taxpayers fund their military

defense, the second and the fourth richest nations in the world. we are still funding their military machines. we've got a pentagon budget that spends more than the next 12 countries in the world. and we've got an f-35 plane that we have been developing now that doesn't work and we've spent more money on that one airplane or we will by the end, than we spent in the entire iraq war. and yet you've got a pentagon -- i'll go to you, willie. you've got a pentagon that you can't even take accountants -- you couldn't hire deloitte and say clean that up. tell us what's going on because it is such a maze. it seems to me that everything eisenhower warned about becoming military industrial complex

spending more and more money, asking more and more men and women, more and more people are dying and we're getting nothing for it because we have presidents on both sides that just sort of stumble into he's wars. >> for a lot of people as you two know well, military spending the third rail. if you're against beefing up the military budget you're passivist or weak on defense and it can hurt you on election and people go with that and people take money from the defense industry. i think the question is what lessons do we take from all those wars you just described because we've had now people sit on this sect congressmen, analysts saying we need to send more ground troops in. we can go in light but more troops is what we need. didn't we just try that in afghanistan and iraq and weren't we there now for a decade and a half without a decisive victory? let's be careful. let's remember what just happened. >> in a way, the very articulate compilation of facts that you put together, the narrative that you just built, i can't, in a way you could see why that would

argue for and against what the president is doing. you know what side actually is that an argument for? >> it's against what the president is doing. it's against what congress has been saying. i'm going to say his name again. and i hope people at home will go and read the powell doctrine. the follow-up to the weinberger doctrine. here's the deal. you go to war as the absolute last possible option. only when every other option is burned. but when you go to war, you go to war to win. you go to war not to guard schools. you go to war not to feed people soup. you go to war to kill your enemies, to arrest the leaders, to try them for war crimes and then to bring your sons and daughters back home to california and to kansas and to connecticut and to alabama.

we are not a nation of occupiers and this halfway approach has led us to occupying half the world. >> joe, joe, let me -- i don't disagree with what you're saying but what i disagree with is not in some way understanding a process. let me hear you out. this is an enemy we don't clearly understand yet. everybody says they do at this table or any place else, this is a new enemy. let me finish joe. >> donny if you don't understand the enemy, if you don't understand the threat and i'm stopping you here for a reason and i'll let you continue. >> let me finish though. >> if you don't understand how to defeat that enemy, then you just stop right there. the process ends right there and you say we're not going to be fools and rush our troops into a situation that we don't understand. >> what you said -- what he's saying is, hey look this is a new enemy. this is a war that's going to be fought in one form or another. we need more money. if nothing else from

intelligence to gear up hopefully we won't need troops. joe, let me finish. >> hey. >> if i'm in that seat. >> yeah. >> and i know there is a cancer there that's getting worse, that's ugly probably augustliest thing we've ever seen, i'm not going to come out and say, we need troops because 70% of to country will be up in arms. i going to say i need to gear up for a war. i don't know what that looks like but i need to start putting some money in my kitty to gear up for this war. we all know around this table if at some point we win that war we will have to probably send troops in but you just don't say it now. that's management. that's management. >> unfortunately we're halfway in that war right now. donny, let's turn this to business. >> which is what i'm saying . i'm coming to you. i got this great business idea. okay? you're such a great businessman, donny duetsch, i need -- i probably need $20 million to start this business. can i have it?

will you give it to me? >> okay. >> what questions are you going to ask me. >> these are the questions i'm going to ask. i think -- listen to me. >> ask questions. >> if somebody says to me there's a factory built down the park. >> answer the question. >> if somebody comes to me say it this way. there's a fact think that's being built right now, i can do nothing and wait for that factory to be completely built in i don't know exactly what my factually is going to look like but i do know i need $10 million to at least hire the first 100 architects to do this. i don't know what that factory, but i can't wait for the other factory to be built. that's the answer. >> what are they making in that other factory? >> making killing innocent people around the world. >> how is your product going to stop that? how are you going to stop that? >> i need r&d, i need new drones. >> what's your business plan? >> my business plan is i've got to stop the enemy. >> that's like saying your businessman -- >> joe, i don't know the enemy yet. i don't know what i'm dealing with. does that mean you don't do

anything? >> what that means is you get the ceo or the person who is pitching you for the $20 million -- >> you will not get the $20 million. >> you don't get the money. you say, hey, okay listen i understand you got a problem. you got a great product. you need to go back and you need to talk to your board. you need to talk to your investors. and you guys need to come up with a specific strategy because i'm not going the give you that money until you know what the hell is going to happen until you know how it's going to end. this is something much more precious american blood and american treasure and american reputation than starting a factory. >> obviously. >> and so if an investor wouldn't get money for a half-ass business plan then why should anybody approve anything while everybody in the pentagon is saying this president doesn't have a war plan. he needs to understand he can't lead from behind anymore. he can't be a professor anymore. he's got to be commander in

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welcome back to "morning joe." willie, so we've all gone the past couple of nights to see elephant man. you saw it last nighting. >> remarkable. i went with my wife and my parents. we saw bradley cooper on broadway "elephant man," only eight or ten days left. they're going to london. go see it. bradley's remarkable. the doctor, patricia clarkson. >> i love her. >> just a great show. you guys were there the night before. >> yes. yeah. and bradley -- bradley -- whoopi was there. >> yeah. >> but bradley said they were going to be taking this to london. the entire cast.

pick them up and go over there but we can't believe how well executed -- it went fast and it's a heavy and serious topic on so many level gls the amazing thing about bradley's performances, usually they put on all of these things for "the elephant man". >> contorted his body for two hours, eight times a week. morning papers bloomberg. united airlines is announced it's not going to honor the cheap flights booked by passengers as a result of the computer glitch. >> what? >> come on. >> earlier this week travelers were able to purchase unbelievable low cost tickets such as $75 first class flight from london to newark. yeah baby. >> honor it. >> united spokes american claims an error occurred when a third party software provider -- >> you hired that third party. seriously? do you understand pr? honor those flights. let us cover it. how dumb. how dumb.

>> short-sighted. "the washington post," the biggest development for some political junkies yesterday was taking place in their very own living rooms. that's because without any warning season three of "house of cards" leaked two weeks early on netflix. i heard people in my house talking about this. the episodes were live for 30 minutes. >> people did you just open your door and -- >> no family. emily kate cassidy. >> steal the silverware but did you hear -- >> no she was talking about netflix. >> do you think it's just a clever marketing ploy? >> a lot of people in my house. so many people. i can't keep up with it. >> all right. anyway, net iks in denied the early release was a ploy to create buzz. episodes were posted because of a technical glitch. >> her hair is different, the lady. >> does she not have the -- >> it's not the mika? >> that's what the discussion

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don't listen to the naysayer. switch to comcast business today and get 50 megabits per second for $89.95. comcast business. built for business. welcome back to "morning joe." here with us now, u.s. ambassador to the united nations, samantha power. good to have you on the show. >> i apologize that you got your job at a time when things just sort of slowed down and stopped. >> yeah. >> are you taking -- learning -- are you learning foreign languages, are you picking up golf? you have nothing to do. >> no. it's an adventurous time. we had more meetings with the security council last year than any year in history, so it's measurable but -- >> i'm trying to figure out a time as nomomentous other than the

'60s where so many things were colliding at the same time. have you talked to people in the u.n., any parallels they say this goes back to because it just keeps coming up. >> yeah i think what's signature glar about the moment is the level of fragmentation and the weakness of many states to patrol what goes on within their own borders. that's something president obama is really investing in you know border security dealing with financing, things like that. so it's just in a lot of places. i mean the threats in the cold war were no exocatastrophic. >> also -- >> world war ii was challenging. >> the cold war, it was organized. it was us and them and the push and the pull. here, it is some multi.ltimultilateral world. >> my job is the best job in the world because i feel because being at the u.n. you also have to mobilize other countries to step up and be part of the solution and not just kind of hanging back and waiting for the

united states to do everything. so whether on ebola or isil or ukraine, it requires multilateral solutions. >> so let's then focus in on the latest news. the president articulateing what's next in the fight against isis or some say not articulating enough of a strategy. and where does the challenge of bringing in other countries to help play into this? >> well, i mean i think one of the reasons we sent up the authorization for the iceuse of military force to the hill and we should be able to get bipartisan support for that is to show the world that we're in this for the three years and well beyond it that's what the next president decides is required. it would show the unity, it would show that even in polarized political times on something like isil everybody can dpreeagree. we think embedding flexibility into the strategy and into the authorization and placing in reasonable constraints is

something we should be able to mobilize a bipartisan coalition around. nobody loves it. we didn't expect everybody to love it. we will work through reasonable adjustments to try to create that coalition and send that signature gnat to the world. >> ambassador we know there are already some american troops on the ground fighting isis. we've had congressmen and senators sit on this set over the last couple of weeks and say we need more. we need to send in grouped ground troops. no specific number given by them. given the experience the american people are rightly skeptical of that. do you think at some point that's going to be necessary to crush, degrade, and destroy to use the president's terminology, isis, do we have to send in american men and women to finish the job? >> the president has been very clear the form of struggle against isil will not look like the deployment of thousands of american ground troops and so forth. right now we do have some troops on the ground but they're performing a training and advising real rolle p ground troops are necessary but they're not going to be american ground troops. you have to get the iraqis and

ultimately the syrian moderate opposition groups up so they can fight the fight on the ground. there has to be a fight on the ground. you can't do this by air. everybody acknowledges that. we have saw deploying so many troops over so many years unless the iraqis congeal and have conclusive political system and military capability on the ground anything we do is going to be stop gap. so it requires more patience and it's really is going to require more time because the troops are not in a state yet to do the full rollback and to sustain the gains that they make. they have to get there. there's no work around the fact that the iraqi army has to be the central part of this solution. >> can you foresee a moment where if the iraqi troops are not up to the task and they can't do it alone the president says well, this threat is so great to the united states we now have to send in our own people. you don't see that at all? >> i don't see that day at this point. i think the authorization, again, was sent to the hill makes clear that president obama

doesn't foresee enduring ground combat operations. there may be circumstance where's you have to do a rescue of your people or you know special operations targeting specific isil leaders. you don't want to take options off the table of that nature. but i think president obama really does believe, given what we've been through as country, and given what we need the rukys to do that it's important to signal this is not the iraq world of old and we're not moving in that direction. >> i want to ask you about diplomacy concerns pertaining to bejamin netanyahu and our relationship with israel. is the escalating controversy about his visit here damaging the relationship? >> look i think the -- i see every day at the u.n. working with my israeli counterpart how thick the relationship is. >> do you think he should come? >> i am now one of the diplomats in the administration so i'm not going to address that question. >> you're going answer that question like a diplomat. >> i think we have made clear

that trips associated with one's own electoral fortunes or in the vicinity thereof that we as a white house don't feel as if we can associate too closely with that because it gets in the mix of someone else's politics. >> it's concerning? >> again, our relationship is thick. we may disagree tactically. we certainly, you know have disagreements over policy issues as well from time to time. but -- >> you know if you would be more cooperative, mika just wanted a yes because she wants ambassador power to say, israel quote, concerning. >> we will get past any bumps in the road. >> so let's talk about the issue that's obviously causing the angst with bejamin netanyahu and israel and that is talk with the iranians. how are those going? >> because we are really in the crunch time here i'm not going to get into any of the specifics. i think there are significant gaps that remain.

but it would be a major achievement, needless to say, if we were able to diplomatically and not militarily to be able to deny iran paths, multiple paths to nuclear weapon and that's the objective. >> under what terms would iran agree to that? >> we will see. we will see. but it is -- it is clear that the economic sanctions both are bilateral sanctions and the ones put in place by the united nations that we've ever done through the u.n. through the security council they've really bitten and iran is willing to consider the kinds of terms that they had never been willing to consider before. so there's still, again, many rivers to cross. but it would be a major achievement to deny iran a nuclear weapons program, to deny them multiple routes to that program would be a major upgrade in the security of the region if

that could be achieved. >> so u.s. lawmakers in congress want to provide 1 billion$1 billion to military aid to ukraine. what impact would that have to our relationship with russia. >> i don't think that that is something to next to all else crippling sanction against russia sustain. other forms of assistance. i don't think the financial assistance is something that is inflaming in any deep sense. we're hopeful overnight, of course there was a new agreement settled upon. i have not had a chance to process the details of it. agreements have come and gone in the past and not implemented. so our emphasis now is, you know making sure that this is not just, you know doing a peace deal with one hand and then passing out more surface-to-air missiles with the other which is what it looked like in the past. >> wide ranging interview with

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longevity is the focus of a special double issue of "time." its cover story is titled "this baby could live to be 142 years old." joining us now the deputy managing editor of "time" magazine. >> that's all great but we all want to live to be 142 years old. >> that kind of made me tired. >> so why is this baby going to live to be 142? >> why is this baby smiling? >> why is this baby smiling? >> i don't know. is he smiling? >> like you, he's a little -- maybe he's a little ambivalent about it. what's fascinating to me about all the research on this issue is you have doctors themselves saying we didn't anticipate doing this kind of work even in our lifetimes. but anti-aging is becoming a serious thing. just to put it in context, 90 years ago if you were born in 1925 your life expectancy was 20 years less than it is if you are born today. that's a huge change in less than a century. and part of that has to do with things like preventing dying literally.

vaccinations against polio and what have you. but increasingly the work that's going on fascinating work has to do not just with preventing death but actually being able to combat aging. >> how do you do that? how do you combat ageing? >> there are a lot of experiments going on. i'm going to get the scientists do the talking when you read the issue. looking at hormonal research experiments going on with a particular kind of antibiotic. already in use for people who have organ transplants. and it seems like in various ways these substances are able to tell the body you know what you don't actually have to grow we old as fast as you thought. >> the question is, particularly my generation, joe, you have gone through it, lost your dad in the last couple of years, as i did and watching my mom age. she's wonderful. you know is there such great news? i watch so many of these people go through the late 80s now and the quality of life is not there. yes, they are living longer.

but is that such a good thing? >> that is the challenge. one thing we address in this package that i enjoyed as a reader is it's not just about like stretch those last years out because, you're right, that doesn't sound pleasant. there are a lot of cultural changes that would have to happen if increased lifespan is even something that we would want. when you think about it, our world is basically designed for the young. it's designed for people who have strength and stamina. the ways you make decisions about when we are educated when we have families when we retire, all of those things still skew to that world where we didn't live as long. so there would have to be a lot of changes in mindset in the ways that we live and work and in the ways that we function as communities that would hopefully combat that challenge, that would improve the quality of life you know, as you get older. >> you also have a piece on drones. can the drones be stopped? >> we drone on a lot here. >> i was actually laughing at that but i'm laughing because i

was just talking to my dad. >> dr.>> my dad and ian got their drone stuck in a tree and they wanted to fly it from great falls to mcclain but i explained to them you can't do that right? >> yeah. >> it's not allowed. they're very disappointed. was it's not -- it's an issue especially after the white house situation. >> it is. i mean -- oh. >> there are no rules. >> drones are something that are being regulated. we talk about them mostly in the military context. >> right. >> but, you know, doing it in your backyard can be dangerous, too. >> as i found out. >> as ian found out. >> what's that? >> what happened? >> same thing. idiots. republicans. >> it was actually the same one that went into the white house. i said let's see how high this thing goes. it goes high. >> see. >> and then that thing started flying into another yard and i had to bring it straight down and i brought it straight down. it was up so high it landed in the top of like a 40-foot tree.

>> why do i always want to just tackle somebody when i see them playing with it. >> yes. >> i don't know. >> issues. >> i have issues. >> there's something ability drones and party affiliation. >> thank you so much for being with us. your fashion continues to amaze mika. you've got great style. >> i do. >> thank you. >> yes. >> it's amazing. we're going to be looking for the new issue of "time." still ahead, interviewed some of the biggest names in film tv and theater. we go inside the actor's studio next with james lipton. >> yes. shopping online is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com

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for the past 20 years, james lipton has interviewed hundreds of the most important names in film television and theater on his show "inside the actor's studio." he is himself an act playwright choreographer and producer, and he sat down with lipton to find out about his iconic show and proudest moments. ♪

because i use the people questionnaire, i have become ipso facto willy-nilly without intending it america's eulogist. >> if heaven xichlts what would you like to hear god say when you arrive at the pearly gates? >> to know there's laughter. that would be a great thing. just to hear god go two jews walk into a bar -- [ applause ] >> take over for a while. i'll be right back. >> i was called upon eventually every talk show in america when these people died. because they had been on "inside the actor's studio "and because they'd all answered that question. i'd rather not be the eulogist.

>> tell me about the blue cards. >> it's just raw material. chronologically arranged from beginning to end. maybe the equivalent of 300 or 400 cards i. just want to take them away because i think you're putting some of them on the bottom. >> let's just be two guys talking okay? let's go. >> as i see patterns i begin to fill in the blue cards. the blue cards are a narrative. will ferrell did a parody and had a stack of these blue cards. >> what is your favorite word? >> me. >> what is your least favorite word. >> you. >> what turns you on? >> me. >> what turns you off? >> you. hmm. >> well played. >> we twleet sketch together. and i think i was the one that suggested we have the stack this big, and that we keep adding to the stack. >> are you ever thrown off or surprised by an answer that's being given?

>> in almost every show and those are the ones i live for. those are the moments actors live for. >> as -- >> no. as jack lemmon. i'm an alcoholic. >> people say i try to make people cry. i have never tried to make anyone kprip what happens is the events of that moment evoke the emotions of that moment and suddenly people are in tears. >> i didn't dream that that would be the case. >> talk to me about bradley cooper. >> the night that one of our graduated students achieved so much that he or she comes out, sits down in that chair next to me will be the night i waited for since i created the scoop edd school and the show. we walked out, looked at each other and were in tears. de niro whom bradley asked a question of when he was a student. >> how ya doing? >> aye name is bradley cooper. my question is regarding awakenings. >> now they co-starred. >> i never thought i'd have the relationship i have with him today and done two movies together and -- and he's my

friend. >> look at him today. he is on broadway as we speak. starring in "the elephant man." that was his thesis. he took it to broadway. people asked me what do you admire in actors? number one risk. sure, chance plays it all, but we tell our students at the actor studio and drama school if you get lucky, you better be ready. >> good piece. a new episode of "inside the actor's studio" with this year's oscar host neil patrick harris airs tonight at 8:00 p.m. >> cool seeing bradley cooper as a student. >> fascinating package, but bradley cooper as a student, huh? >> cool. >> isn't that something? >> you have to see "elephant man" if you can. i guess you have to go to london. >> what? a week a week and a half? >> i'm in. the war debate rages on in washington. the president's request for legal authorization to fight isis is met with criticism by

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request to use military force against isis. president obama says the authorization would cover military operations for three years, but once again stated it would not involve troops on the ground. >> now make no mistake, this is a difficult mission, and it will remain difficult for some time. it's going to take time to dislodge these terrorists especially from urban areas. but our coalition is on the offensive. isil is on the defensive, and isil is going to lose. the resolution we've submitted today does not call for the deployment of u.s. ground combat forces to iraq or syria. it is not the authorization of another ground war. like afghanistan or iraq. >> the request prohibits "enduring offensive ground combat operations" and there are also no geographical imitations. the vagueness is leading to questions on both sides of the

aisle. >> i believe that if we're going to authorize use of military force, the president should have all the tools necessary to win the fight that we're in. and so as you've heard me say over the last number of months i'm not sure that the strat that's been outlined will accomplish the mission the president says he wants to accomplish. >> there is no limitation no statute of limitations on the original 2001 authorization, and i think that's a key problem. the other major issue is the language pertaining to ground troops, which is very broad. very ambiguous. none of us really know what enduring offensive combat operations means, and deliberately i think draft it to be ambiguous. >> arguments on both sides. what are you looking at? >> so i looked up the doctrine because we've been talking about it. >> yeah. >> and it's a great guideline. i talked about all the wars fought since world war ii that

we haven't won and there's a reason why the weinberger doctrine, set out in the '80s to try to relearn the lessons of vietnam, were then updated by colin powell in the 1990s. listen to these. as we go through this process, i hope people on capitol hill will ask these questions. is there a vital national security interest threatened? and i guess that's a question, is this a direct threat to the united states? if we don't go over there and fight isis will buildings be blown up in new york city and in washington? will americans be killed? two, do we have a clear, obtainable objective? no. three, have the risks and of cost been fully and frankly analyzed? i will only say, congress left town at a six-hour debate and then ran off to have elections

in the fall before we started this. so the answer to that -- no. four have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted? that's debatable. five -- is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement? >> uh-huh. >> no. six -- have the consequences of our actions been fully considered? you can't fully consider the consequences of our actions until you know exactly what our actions are going to be and the president is remaining as his spokesperson said yesterday "intentionally vague." >> yeah. >> seven -- is the action supported by the american people? well the american people don't know what those actions are going to be because it's been intentionally vague. eight -- do we have international support? i actually think for the first time in many years we may have international support, but what

underlies the poul dockwell doctrine that you don't go to war until it's the last possible action. but then when you go to earth, it is hell on earth and rain down hell from above, use every means to destroy your enemy, kill your enemy, capture your enemy, secure the location and then bring your troops home. >> uh-huh. >> we americans aren't occupiers. we shouldn't be an occupying force for over a decade and if we are going in to fight isis we have to be going in to defeat isis. and right now we're in that muddy middle ground that led to korea. we're in the muddy middle ground that led to vietnam. we're in the muddy middle ground that led us into iraq and we're in the muddy middle ground that has kept us in afghanistan for 12 years. when people say we're fighting in afghanistan because of

pakistan, that kind of fails all of these tests as well. so mika we need a clear, coherent strategy from the president, but also from congress. we'd like to see the congress speak with one voice as well. >> it will be interesting to see what the debate turns out to be because in some ways-ish are you saying you can't go in unless most of the answers to those questions are yes? because if that's the case then are you in some ways actually expressing support for what the president said yesterday? >> no. i'm not at all. >> so then you think we should be going in completely although we can't answer all of those questions yet? >> no. no, i'm not. i'm saying before the president asks for use of force, he has to answer these questions. this president likes to stay intentionally vague when it comes to foreign policy. he likes to lead from behind. he'll go out and make a statement, because foreign leaders have long said he believes a speech is the ends

and not a means to the ends but he'll say something like gadhafi must go but have no strategy behind that. or he'll say, assad must go. and he'll have no strategy to get that done. >> uh-huh. >> he'll say, mubarak must go. he'll have no strategy to get that done. >> do you think we should have boots on the ground? >> he will draw red lines, that then he will erase from the sand. i do not believe we should have boots on the ground unless we have a strategy agreed upon by the commander in chief and the military that explains how we defeat isis destroy isis and then achieve our objectives and then bring our troops back home in respect is no way muddling in another war in the middle east we can do that. nobody's even talking about the fact that iran is having an expanding footprint in baghdad,

and that shiite militia, having expanding footprint. and then we have the kurds and then we have the chaos, of course, in western iraq. we have the chaos in syria. we are stepping into a mess, and this requires actually for the president if he wants to go in to develop a coherent strategy a clear strategy that our military men and women can follow and that the american people can either accept or reject. >> i think the debate is afflicted by our recent part and how we've gotten into war. the word you used last hour was half-assed. >> you can say it about korea, say it about vietnam and say it about iraq and you can say it about afghanistan as well. >> exactly. >> we went into afghanistan, we didn't fund afghanistan then tripled the number of troops in afghanistan. but, again, you can throw money and you can throw troops at a situation but with no underlying strategy -- you are wasting money, and you are wasting lives. >> so here's white house press

secretary josh earnest talking about the president's language and questioned about the vagueness of it. take a look. >> that language is fuzzy. is it not? >> intentionally so and the intent is -- >> intentionally so? infengstentionally fuzzy? >> yes. we believe there aren't overly burdened strength on the commander in chief who needs the flexibility to respond to contingencies that emerge in a chaotic military conflict like this. >> rootight now a democratic senator from west virginia member of the armed services committee and energy and natural resources committee. senator joe manchin. also republican senator from pennsylvania member of the budget committee, senator pat toomey. senator manchin, let's begin with pup i've been voicing concerns about the way that republican and democratic presidents over the past 50 60 years have muddled in and out of wars. what do the people of west virginia think about the president's latest request? >> well we've risen to the

cause every time we want to defend this country and fight and we die for this country. bottom line be very clear. i don't want any way to get medaled gun is a ground war where you don't have reputation. we understand the definition of insanity in west virginia. with that said we can be clear and direct and help those who want to help themselves and give jordan as quickly as they can the weapons they need and the kurds and the saudis and kurds, god bless them. they need to bless their homeland. for us to get caught in there and bogged down is not something i'm for. >> would you support the president's request -- >> it the way is now it is muddled. i have concerns about it. it's open-ended we could get bogged down. 10 10,000 troops in there, three years it's over. you know well we're not pulling out of there but i don't want to get caught in the there in the first plate. do our job. hit them hard.

secure our borders, keep them from getting in here the lone wolves and lone cells and everybody else and protect the homeland. >> senator toomey ask you as a republican and one from pennsylvania what do your republican constituents think of this what do all of your constituents from pennsylvania think about the possibility of a new war? >> joe i think my constituents realize what an incredible dangerous threat isis is. the savagery and bar barretty ybabar ity. my constituents want us to eliminate the threat. do you that by insisting you have an administration way plan get there, get the job done and don't tie the hands of either this commander in chief or the next one who might prefer a different approach. i think you don't put artificial deadlines and don't tell your enemy what you will or won't do.

you have the determination to get the job done. >> ask our democratic senator, joe manchin, does the president have a clear and coherent plan to go forward to do the kind of plan pat too many you said we need to do? >> i don't think we've had a clear plan because basically how do you engage an enemy willing to die and think it's a greater glory to die and sacrifice and we're in that type of a barbaric situation, as pat said, but coming from two different angles. strapped down ten year still in afghanistan and won't get out of afghanistan and iraq we saw what happened there. bottom line our strategic forces able to make sure our air strikes and support, they have to want to fight for their homeland. we can't do that fighting for them, and we can protect america, and we can protect them from coming here but you're saying wipe them out. we never heard about isis six months ago. it was all al qaeda. first started with taliban. these people are hell-bent on killing each other. let them do it but they're not

going to kill americans. >> unfortunately, killing us too, and demonstrated a capability to do this. no question in my mind the optimal approach involves significant ground forces primarily consist of sunni arab countries, turkey the kurds, those people who certainly have the most immediate risk at stake. they need guidance from the united states. >> as you know pat, they've sat back so long let the united states sons and daughters die, let united states taxpayers foot the bill, to keep their region a bit more secure? why should re dowe do it again? >> there is an increasing willingness. the jordanians, i think, have seen how horrific and immediate this risk is for them. so i think there is an increasing resolve, and let's remember this is new for a terrorist organization like this to have created a nation state and have the resources that that gives them. it's a new magnitude of threat to those countries. i think with strong american

leadership we probably could put together a co-tlagsalition that could get the job done. >> what we saw the jordanians engage engage, one soldier brutal barbaric and engaged that way. i hope they realize we've already given more than 6,000 american lives to try to help that region of the world. we've already spent our treasury -- close to $3 trillion and doing and have committed. now, basically if we continue down the path we've been on, we haven't had good results now. there might be somebody else besides isil. we have to make sure the country, basically, where they're breeding out of coming back to and wanting to come to america, we stop that flow and basically we have to engage. if jordan will engage that way, why won't the saudis get involved or the turks? the kurds want to fight and we should be committed to giving them the weapons and technical and tactical support they need. >> we appreciate both of you coming on to debate this together and we know you're

working together on a bill that involves protecting children. can you tell us about that? >> sure. well last year alone 459 teachers and school employees were arrested for sexual misconduct abusing the children they're supposed to be taking care of. it's appalling, indefensible and part is because we have a system of background checks when we hire school employees that has all kinds of gaping holes in it. senator manchin and i have a bill to close those holes and make sure we're doing a better job preventing schools from hiring these predators in the first place. >> let me just say how pat and i came together on this. we had a teacher 20 some years ago from pennsylvania that was relieved, and they assisted him in getting a job in west virginia. he became a principal in a school down in southern west virginia, and he was a pedophile. we had no knowledge of that. >> and he was a known pedophile at the school in pennsylvania. >> right. >> they sent a letter of

recommendation to help him get that job. >> they passed the trash on to us. wa we're doing basically with this bill stopping and preventing that from happening without passing someone on just for the sake of getting rid of him and that man came down and he was a padphile abused a lot of children. killed a young boy named jeremy bell. this has pat and i together pennsylvania and west virginia working together i think to help the whole country no child, promise the child a safe place in their life. no child should go to school and not be as safe as it can be and this bill will keep that promise. >> awesome. thank you both very much. earlier today we talked about the sad news that cbs had to endure with the passing of course of ledge already reporter bob simon. unfortunately sad news to report about a former member of our nbc family. longtime correspondent ned colt whose reports were seen for

years on the "today" show died in boston. he reported on stories from around the world based in asia for many years. he sent the last few years working for the international rescue committee and a u.n. group working for refugees. a dedicated reporter ned colt was 56 years old. and he and his family are in our thoughts and prayers. still ahead, the emotional testimony of the trial of a man accused of murdering navy s.e.a.l. chris kyle and the text message chris kyle sent before killed the defense is using as evidence. plus a new show coming to nbc call the "the slap," sparked a provocative question. is it ever okay to discipline someone else's kid? nbc's kate snow joins us along with "cosmo's" editor-in-chief for that conversation. up next back to what we were talking about here. the life and legacy of legendary reporter bob simon. et the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one

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all right. some really sad news. coming off the west side highway last night. >> yes. >> tragic news. >> bob simon, the veteran "60 minutes" correspondent was killed last night. his colleague scott pelley delivered the emotional report. >> we have sad news tonight from within our cbs news family. our "60 minutes" colleague bob simon was killed this evening. it was a car accident in new york city. according to the nypd simon was in the back of a town car when it hit a mercedes stopped at a red light. simon's car careened into metal barriers and he was pronounced dead when he got to the hospital. but the two drivers survived. >> simon led a remarkable career

working for cbs news for 47 years and "60 minutes" since 1996. he covered vietnam, and was one of the last, on one of the last helicopters out of saigon. he achieved near celebrity status in israel riding a motorcycle to scenes while covering the middle east for years. he was there for the intefadeh and became close with the prime minister yitzhak rabin playing tennis with him before his public assassination. in 1991 while covering the gulf war, he and his crew were taken into captivity and beaten with canes for 40 days which he wrote about in his book. >> we saw a jeep in a distance and it was an iraqi army jeep and -- they took us away. and we eventually wound up in the secret police headquarters called the [ speaking in foreign language ] and treated very badly. >> yesterday they were released in baghdad, and this morning talked with ed bradley.

>> bob simon, producer peter bluff, cameraman roberto alvarez and sound man juan saldera. >> changed you? >> yeah. >> how? >> i don't know. too early to tell. >> simon said he was sure he would be killed if cbs executives had not lobbied mikhail gorbachev to intervene because simon was jewish. his last report it air before his death was on the new movie "selma." he is survived by his wife and daughter who is a producer for "60 minutes" herself, and father and daughter were working together on a report on ebola for this weekend's "60 minutes" broad cast. bob simon was 73 years old. >> what are your thoughts? >> there's something about the cbs family especially the "60 minutes" family and these veterans that -- you can't really find the words to describe the kind of reporters they are and were because when you watch bob simon stories you were enrichard, you were

enchanted, charmed, you were educated. and you have to watch his stories. to understand the kind of man and the kind of reporter he was. >> willie? >> when you look at these pictures right now, if you had to draw up in your mind the image of a foreign correspondent, it's bob simon. it's him in war zones as mika pointed out in the script. him riding his motorcycle around tel aviv. the former cbs news president and longtime "60 minutes" executive producer jeff fager called him a reporter's reporter, you have there and that's a good way to describe him and jeff also pointed out the added tragedy of a man who is survived so much over his career losing his life in a car on the west side highway. >> it's so easy. we watch this little box and we see people like bob simon all over the world in these situations and you just -- you take for granted they are literally putting their lives on the line every day. i didn't know him, but clearly i just -- a great man. >> and like mika said one of

the last helicopters out of saigon. a guy that covered all of these wars, all of the conflicts. captured in iraq. got through all of that and died on the west side highway. in a senseless accident. our thoughts and prayers are with the simon family with jeff fager, with the "60 minutes" family and the entire family of cbs news. we'll be right back.

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delivery of its x suv models in the third quarter. from stocks to real estate. the rocky recovery continues. foreclovers on the rise. jumped 5% in january over 37,000 homes repossessed last month. the highest level in 15 months and realty track expects more foreclosure filings as banks put more properties in the spring pnd pay attention to suspicious tax activity. irs saying fraud is expected to soar this year and $21 billion by 2016. $6.5 billion two years ago. a big reason for that surge in tax fraud is how little it takes to file a return. all you need are your name birth date and social security number. back to you. >> wow. >> all right. cnbc's dominic chu, thank you. the so-called "american sniper" trial continues day. day two of testimony in the trial of eddie routh. the man accused of murdering

chris kyle and his friend. emotional testimony in the courthouse including from kyle's widow. nbc news correspondent jacob rascon has details. >> reporter: taya kyle fought back tears almost immediately after taking the stand. the widow of "american sniper" war a cross around her neck describing the last time she saw her husband alive she said we said we loved each other and gave each other a kiss and hug like we always did. >> okay. thank you. >> reporter: the movie "american sniper" depicts kyle coping with post-traumatic stress by helping other struggling veterans. in court we learned kyle and chad lilfield took the 90 mile trip many times with many struggling veterans. that day took former marine eddie ray routh. but on the way kyle texting littlefield, this dude is straight up nuts. littlefield responded, he's right behind you.

watch my back. taya called her husband right before he died. i could tell somebody r something was up taya said. he was just quiet. defense attorney warren st. john. >> when he took their lives, he was in the grip of a psychosis. >> reporter: warren told the jury in that moment rouf fearth feared for his life. >> he was thinking they were going to take his. >> reporter: district attorney amin nash. >> but he admits he murdered these two men, that he used drugs and alcohol that morning and that he knew what he was doing wrong. >> reporter: nash said routh shot kyle and littlefield in the back, in the face and elsewhere. a total of 13 rounds using two handguns. also among the first witnesses, littlefield's mother who told the jury she was testifying on what would have been her son's

38th birthday. incredibly tragic. joe, chance at a fair trial first of all? is there even one? and if convicted, can there be an appeal? >> actually we've been saying for some time that it's hard to get a fair trial when you have the number one book in america being written by the murdered navy s.e.a.l. the american hero. the american sniper, and also when the biggest war movie in the history of american box office is still in theaters. chris kyle is a hero across the nation for millions and millions of people. especially in his home town. so even if the prosecutor gets a conviction, i expect an appeal and if you look back at history of the supreme court and look back at what's happened with pretrial publicity, i think there's a possibility that he could actually get an appeal and

get a new trial, because placing it here -- i mean jack ruby for instance. he shot lee harvey oswald. jack ruby actually had his conviction overturned because of pretrial publicity. the most famous place, dr. shepherd killed his pregnant wife allegedly. a lot of pretrial publicity. he also got that. >> this takes it to a whole new level. >> this really does take to a whole new level. i am surprised there wasn't a change of venue and i'm sure there be going to be criminal defense attorneys appealing this regardless. >> looking ahead. is it ever okay to discipline someone else's kid? >> no. >> are you sure? have you ever done it. >> put it this way. if somebody disciplined my kid, spanked my kid, you'd have a 6'4", 230 guy coming their way. >> trying to think if i'm -- >> can i just tell you, i will tell you, i actually did have somebody grab joey's arm, and

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>> a whole different issue. start with what you're reporting on, kate a new show premiering on nbc a lot of people talking "the slap" revolving around one moment at a backyard barbecue when an adult slap as child and is prompting questions about what is acceptable when it comes to an out of control kid? kate sat down with a group of parents from around the country to get their takes. >> maybe shouldn't be swinging the bat like that. >> reporter: we started showing the key scene in the very first episode of "the slap." >> when adults talk to you up listen. why are you swinging the bat at rocco like that t. would not end well if someone put their hands on my child like that. it just wouldn't. >> as a parent put in different situations and sometimes knee-jerk reactions that aren't appropriate. >> we also need to be equipped with mechanisms to cool and calm ourselves down. we can't lay our hands on them. >> it's also interesting to take into account that there's going to be different cultural

variables that are probably at play, it was also a party. he was likely drinking. >> reporter: all these parents reacted negatively to the slap itself but the line gets fuzzier when it comes to other kinds of intervention. >> is it ever okay for someone else to discipline your child? >> i am okay with if my child is acting up, someone in the room if i'm not there, saying hey, listen that's not what we do here. >> reporter: and she has no problem disciplining other people's kids. >> i'm the first one to let your kid know if your kid's not doing something that's acceptable in my house. ms. dhenin does not play that. >> a medium on what's okay in touching my child. harm or danger removing them from the situation in what physical way is necessary, yes. >> reporter: joey says she wouldn't have a problem if her parents or in-laws physically disciplined her kids if they

were acting out. >> my dad, i grew up where he -- if we didn't listen we listened, and when he was done. >> reporter: and samantha says if her baby was biting another kid she'd want that other parent to jump in. >> i do this you can put your hands on a child to redirect forcibly redirect, take their hands off of your child. >> what am i supposed to do? >> if things get out of hand samantha, a psychologist says to look for teachable moments. >> the worst thing to do is to tell the child, oh my god. you're going to be scarred for life. you're going to be traumatized. that sort of thing. the better thing to do is you know, how did it make you feel? it made you feel upset. why people shouldn't use their hands and that's done. >> all right. we're all parents here at the table. kate two kids. what did you think about yourself? would you? >> so personally -- >> after all of these conversations? >> i come from a background where i don't use physical discipline on my own kids. so i wouldn't want anybody else to, but here's the thing. like where's that line? because we had a birthday party once for my now 12-year-old boy,

and one kid, not my own, was getting completely out of control. no respect for parents or authority. >> right. >> my husband stepped in and firmly said you are in my house. you listen to my rules. that's a time-out. and i remember cringing and going -- oh, my god. when the parchtsents show up what are they going to say? >> in that case, that's far different than a slap. >> it is. >> if smubomebody's endangering, you're big enough. grab them by the arm. play by the rules. >> you're okay with a grab not a hit? >> not a -- just we're big enough we don't have to hurt them and -- but i'm okay with like getting in their face and saying, hey, we don't do that around here. you either play well with other kids, or we're going to have to put you in the other room and you're going to sit and watch tv and i'm calling your mom and dad and tell them what i'm doing. if they want to pick you up they k. it's also very effective just to say, if want to leave now, that's fine.

you can go. often you're on child might be encouraging them to behave badly because they're excited, and also children's parties are hell. everybody -- >> they are. >> the parents are usually a bit tipsy. i often find myself wanting to slap the parents. >> there's that, too. when they become teenagers, more complicated. >> situations, 87 kids a lot of war stories. there have been times where a kid's been acting out and you big in and find out that your child or the other child had provoked them. >> yes. >> which is okay. you have to be able to have the same message for all. i just think we all agree, no slap. >> nothing harder than a children's party. it take as village. it really does. i love it when other people discipline my children. please, weigh in. weigh in. >> me too. >> in the march issue, what you have there. >> i do. >> a special report on sexual harassment in the workplace. the magazine polled. over 2,000 full time and part time women. some results, joanna are staggering. tell us what you found.

>> interestingly, one in three women say they've been sexually harassed an one of the things changing is that people are being harassed by social media. so people are texting inappropriately at work. one of the things women get texted seems reasonly frequently questions like from a boss or from a male colleague, can you leave a piece of your underwear on my desk? >> okay. >> okay, now let's see. that seems to be -- on the clear side of a pretty bright line. >> it's interesting in terms how do you deal with it? how do you respond? >> does it really happen? >> yes, i think it does really happen. we asked people interestingly, 10% of women said they'd been sexually has rationed by another woman. harassed by another woman and maybe running a sales team we found they would say to some of the female staff, can you dress a bit more sexually to try and get this guy's attention? sort of weird pressures going on but their social media -- >> what i was about to say. >> a new way of women feeling this is an intimidating

workplace, and also it makes the office environment more casual. so people are sort of bantering back and forth and it spins out of control. >> where it's tricky. right? there are jokes flying -- what i found in other places i've worked, that when jokes fly around it gets dangerous, am some find it funny, some offensive. that's when you need to -- >> when you talk about social media, that also sort of takes the whole level of what's comfortable, what's funny, what can be done it gives it like three different platforms. and when -- someone is hitting on someone in the office that's harassment. or is it? there's that line. >> and emojis is also creeping into it. >> emojis exactly. the smiley face? >> uh-huh. lots of -- >> you can send a lot of emojis. you can send any emoji on the face of the earth, apparently. >> i'm glad you're not experiencing any of it here's at nbc, which is good. but i think a lot of people are feeling very anxious about how to handle it. the key thing women almost never

report it because they're worried about being labeled a troublemaker. >> somebody gets that text you were talking about what do they do? >> keep a note of it. if this is persistent behavior keep a record. keep your texts and e-mails. >> shouldn't you go to h.r. the first time? >> you can. >> if somebody asking you to put underwear on your desk or something like that isn't that a time to go h.r. -- >> can you absolutely go to h.r. >> or your boss. >> you may find, if it's your boss the h.r. department doesn't necessarily spring to your defense. try to nip it in the bud with a firm, this is not appropriate. if it persists keep a record of it and then go to h.r. >> isn't the real danger the more subtle advances? then, put your underwear -- >> subtle because you're not getting other people involved in it. the other thing, talk to other women in the workplace. often you find it's a serial harasser. others say, oh my god. he did that to me, too's you have a pattern of behavior. it's easier to do that.

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. joining us now acclaimed fashion photographer nigel barker, host on "the face" on oxygen network and author of a new book "models of influence" and you look at 50 women who reset the course of fashion, models. >> absolutely. >> i guess first of all, before we start looking at some of these incredible photos what look has withstood's test ofhe test of time and what changed? >> a lot of models stood the test of time. this particular moment in fashion history you're seeing i think a whole cross-section of everything that happened from the sort of '50s onwards. little pieces of it. more so than ever. because i think almost every other decade is has something specific, like the '80s, big hair, all about fitness. the '60s was really about someone like twiggy and -- sexual liberation. >> show that.

>> there's twiggy. >> beautiful page of twiggy. >> gorgeous. >> talk about twiggy and the simplicity of it all? >> twiggy got a bit of a hard time. too skinny too boyish. too androgynous and she stood for women's liberation. she didn't want to be stereotyped. i don't have to have an hour-glass figure or curves. i can just be myself. she was about authenticity. luminous a very light-hearted, real english girl people loved. >> and supermodels from the '80s. cindy crawford. >> cindy, i mean she's a spectacular version of really what that late '80s, early '90s supermodels. the word super stuck on the word model, an intoxicating time in fashion. a super smart woman, too. when people think of models they don't necessarily always put the fact that they're businesswomen together on the page of course she s. you mentioned cindy

crawford. the ones of my generation christie brinkley, still, incredible. >> sure. >> also paulina portskova? >> incredible swimsuit models. think about the decade before them. the '70s. sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll sort of and a bit of an edge to it. what the '80s brought in a health kick. a fitness kick. these girls did calendars. >> strong. strong women. we used to put them on the cover. the day the when models were on the cover of "cosmo" not actresses as we do now. they felt strong and powerful and you wanted to be them. now they're a bit thin white waisted, a big druggy now. >> there's definitely the element. it's the people demanding who's on the cover a little more because of social media. right? because -- >> good point. >> so in a way, fashion is a mirror of society.

and at that time we were craving in the '80s, craving helgt because of i guess what we'd just been through. >> somebody who wasn't a supermodel, somebody that didn't resort to heroin. the first time i saw her, my god, so gorgeous and still is isabella rossellini. you have her in here. >> a magnificent woman. absolutely charming lady. doing the research for the book i got to speak to many of them and talk to them about their pictures what have you. isabella was one of those ladies who was just -- as gracious as she could possibly be. she's such a major star but absolutely sort of down to earth and completely normal and absolutely lovely. that's one of the reasons schae stood the test of time. i love working with her. >> i love the different age levels. most are girls in their late teens, early 20s. this is a beautiful, wonderful

french model, businesswoman. >> look at yourself? i think you -- >> nigel -- >> you and i were saying we are crushed we're not in the book. we are crushed. very disappointing. >> in my top 100. very hard to get it to 50. >> even worse. that's not helping you. but i do love this book. i just want to dive into it and swim through the pages. >> nigel, thank you so much joanna, thank you as well. the book is "models of influence." nigel barker. up next what, if anything did we learn today? push your enterprise and you can move the world. ♪ ♪ but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that

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welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we learned today. i learned just how insulted everybody here is that you two weren't in that book. models of influence? please. >> i am still crushed. >> you're number one with a bullet. >> thank you. >> a topic on the value of beauty. >> i learned my entertainment choices are "house of cards" or "fifty shades of grey" or possibly both. >> okay. >> on that note -- >> busy weekend. >> -- i was not dreaming. >> what's that? >> dan? you found the headline. i wouldn't dreaming this. people in my house were talking about this. claire underwood changed her hair to darker. >> no longer has the -- >> it's a reaction. >> yes, i do. >> oh my god. may she felt she wouldn't be invited on the show if she still

had blonde hair. >> i think she's amazing. >> all that season saying he would wear blue pants this season. he won't be doing that now. will he? >> i think not. >> good call frank. it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around though, "the rundown" is up next. good morning. nice to be with you. i'm frances rivera in for jose diaz-balart. developing on "the rundown" what could be a major breakthrough in the fighting between ukraine and russia. leaders of russia ukraine, france and germany say they've reached a peace deal and agreed on a cease-fire set to begin at midnight local time saturday night. in addition to the cease-fire, the deal calls for heavy weapons be pulled out of the war zone for the release of all prisoners and according to president poroshenko ukrainian control of the border by the end of 2015. but at the same time we have word of that