sniper trial day trial after tearful testimony from chris kyle's widow about the last time she saw her husband. brotherly love the democrats pick friendly turf for their 2015 national convention. ♪ good day, everyone i'm andrea mitchell in washington. west virginia senator joe manchin serves on the armed services committee and joins me now. thanks for being with us. first of all, it's good to talk to you especially about this because there's a lot of

confusion and disagreement both sides of the aisle. what is the legal terminology that you think works here? because a lot of people are questioning enduring offensive combat force. >> i guess enduring defense would be okay. i'm not sure andrea that's the concerns we have concerns i have. let's make it very clear. no matter what happens to this aumf which revealpeals 2002 aumf we still have the 2001 very broad, can almost do anything you want. gives the president, broad, broad powers. president bush had it when we were attacked nefrn and it will still be in place. if we're trying to define where we're going to go from this day forward with this fight with isil or twist serrorists, we should

do it. i'm not in favor for leaving an opening where we can have ground troops sustain any types of damages as far as killing of our own people. i feel so sorry for the jordan jordanian pilot and family and atrocity committed on them but it got the jordanian people united. we've already given 6600 american lives lost in iraq and afghanistan trying to help. we spent close to $3 trillion. america has done its part. we're willing to give them tactical and air support and make sure we have special ops moving in the right direction but we don't need to put thousands of troops in harm's way again. >> this is what samantha power said this morning on "morning joe." i'm sorry, let me quote it. the administration will work

through reasonable adjustments to get bipartisan support but these negotiations aren't going to get to the fundamental question that can bridge this divide of should we be there, should we not be there? how much power should the president have? the president's power shouldn't be limited. but if he has broad power, if the administration retains this power, then exactly what you fear can happen more and more ground troops. >> andrea we've been there for 13 years with broad power. it started under republican presidents and continued under a democrat president. president obama is down sizing, he wants out of there. i believe what he's saying there but don't want to leave the option out there that we can get bogged down in an occupational war and enduring offensive, that means you could say i don't want to be there any long period of time, we'll do what we have to but it won't be enduring.

there's too many open ends. unless the arab nations over there want to clean up their own neighborhood and willing to put their own people there trying to defend themselves and way of life and willing to fight and die for their own country and their own liberties, we've already given 6600 american lives trying to help them. you need to step up and help yourself. we'll give you the training and tactical tech in this casual support you need and air support, we're not going to find your land battle for you. i don't know how to make it any clearer than that. >> what about air support that requires boots on the ground in terms of special forces and other operations to help target the air strikes? >> we're going to have some of that. we understand that even those of us who don't want massive ground support where you have 10,000 20,000 50,000 is what we grow into and all subjected to the dangers that come with it. we know we need to have the expertise, the expertise to give us the intelligence and to be

able to pinpoint basically what we're doing and make them more successful. we know that. we're okay with that from that standpoint. we believe we can get them trained up to that. as soon as we left baghdad or iraq, they went back to their own ways, they weren't committed to fight. we spent billions of dollars and trained them and armed them and they gave it all away. now we're redoing it. we don't want to repeat that in afghanistan. i understand that don't expect american soldiers on the front line taking a bullet for you and your country when you should be doing it yourself. >> let me ask about the families of the hostages who have been slain and one surviving hostage not believed held by isis. his parents talked to alex wagner and complained very bitterly that it's not a two-way street. they give information when they get any information from former hostages or others connected to their son, they give information to the white house.

but they don't get any information back. they do not feel the wousz is doing enough. >> i think that's unfair criticism, i really do. no matter who is the president, i think they have to do everything they can working with our department of defense, this department of state and making decisions. once we get caught in hostage situations and once we get held for ransoms then bar the door on what part of the world would be subjected to. my heart goes out. your own child and you see something like this. we all as americans feel this pain but we can't forgive, we've had 6600 men and women soldiers think of their families too, everybody in this. so we've lost a lot. and we don't want to continue to repeat that and we believe that the arab world has to stand up like jordan has stood up and fight back. >> i also want to take note of

the fact that the president today is signing the clay hunt legislation, susan was here yesterday with her husband and of course they are so grateful for what you have done. i want to play a little bit of that interview. >> i just know that what he would be -- he would be so grateful that his fellow veterans are going to be assured better care. and that's our message. we just want any veterans that are watching or hearing the message and know that the bill is signed that there is hope not to lose hope that the american people do care. >> and i know that the family and all of the veterans are grateful to you, senator. >> i'm going to be there. i will be there for the signing today at the white house. i think that's something that the least we can do. you know not one life will be lost in vain. for this family, the hunt family to understand we have not

forgotten and we're going to make sure in clay's name that every returning veteran who might not have the physical appearance of any scars from the war, but has deep scars internally, that we can help them with transition back to normal life. we've got to do it. this bill will help us do that andrea. >> thank you, senator joe manchin, as always from west virginia joining from the capitol today. in north carolina police are investigating the possible motive in the terrible murder of three muslim students in chapel hill. were they triggered by hate or dispute over parking spaces as the family claims? mark potter has the latest. ♪ >> reporter: at the university of north carolina an emotional vigil wednesday night. a huge crowd of mourners remembering the three young lives cut short. the victims were all muslims raised in america, a university of north carolina dental student, his new wife

21-year-old yusar salha planning on dental school and her sister an architecture student. >> highest levels of paradise for sure. >> the shootings occurred tuesday in a quiet chapel hill complex. 46-year-old craig steven hicks turned himself into police and charged with first degree murder. >> you'll do whatever i'm not staying here. >> his father devastated and insists the killings were religiously motivated. in any way you look at it it's a hate crime. >> reporter: but police and suspect's wife say the murders were sparked by a dispute over parking space at the condo. >> i can't say with my absolute belief this incident had nothing to do with religion or victim's

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neighbor, we're very fond of them. or it's our child's best friend or even our child. i think that as more and more people came out and said this is who i am and the rest of us recognize that they are one of us. >> this is such an interesting insight as alabama struggles with the issue. gay marriage became legal on monday but confusion still reigns there. we've seen a lot of interview from supreme court justices over the years. this is so timely and seems to be an insight into what she is most likely saying in conference to her colleagues? >> it certainly does andrea. it kind of makes you wonder if somebody on the other side were saying something in the opposite direction would people begin to say, well they shouldn't be making those comments. it's certainly in line with what she's been saying all along

about this subject. and of course earlier this week we got some insight from clarence thomas on what he thinks the supreme court is likely to do when the court declined to order a stay on the alabama marriage question. >> and now in alabama, which you have been tracking closely, 44 of 67 counties are now refusing. now a federal judge may issue in the case of oneprobate judge today. would that change things in other counties? >> i think it probably would. there's a hearing before the same judge who declared the state ban unconstitutional. that order did not directly compel the probate judges who issue marriage licenses there to grant them to same sex couples. the judge said it's not my order that compels you, it's the constitution and her view was that you can't deny to same sex couples. lawyers have gone to the judge

and said they are not getting the message, order them to do it. it does seem likely she'll grant that order. if she does it also seems likely other judges will follow course. >> the other big legal issue you're tracking it the tsarnaev trial, they've been doing jury selection in boston and so far up until now, federal judges refused to change the venue because of possible juror bias. but for first time there's been a change in that from the first circuit. >> the first circuit court of appeals said it would hold a hearing on the venue question in a week. however, the message of this order seems to be it's not likely to succeed. two of the judges said there's no point in putting a hold on jury selection until that hearing is held next week. and the court's order also says that you can have a hearing on the motion of a single judge. so the odds here are that they are going to deny this. but nonetheless, you're right, it's the furthest this venue

issue has ever gotten. >> and the defense is claiming 85% of the jurors polled so far in the voir dire have said they believe he's guilty. so they are trying to make the case of bias. we should also point out, boston's main concern is snow and they've had a lot of snow days and haven't had trial. there's a lot going on in boston. >> jury selection is delayed, that's right. thank you very much pete williams. >> we have very sad news on a number of fronts. the former member of our own nbc family former veteran correspondent ned colt has died at the age of 58. for years he traveled the world for us for nbc news spending many years in asia and playing a key role during our coverage of the iraq war. in fact he and his intrepid camera man and other members of the team were kidnapped during the battle of fallujah in 2004 and held for several days. for last few weeks working for the international rescue committee. ned colt died in boston after

suffering a massive stroke. our thoughts are with his family. and of course the terrible news last night, condolences to everybody at cbs and all of the "60 minutes" family about the terrible loss of fabled correspondent bob simon. after surviving vietnam and kidnapped by saddam in the first golf war and work in haiti, going back to cover the iraq war, bob simon died in a car accident on the west side highway last night on his way home from work. i have been enthralled by his work. i did not know him personally. but most recently just on sunday his report on the film "selma" was extraordinary. perhaps my favorite of all of the bob simon pieces on "60 minutes" showing his extraordinary range, two years ago, his piece called joy in the congo. ♪

>> reporter: the music was written by german composeer 75 years ago. did he ever dream it would be played in the congo? ♪ >> nbc's willie geist has taken a look back at bob simon's extraordinary body of work. >> we decided to take -- >> reporter: this morning fans and loved ones are paying tribute to beloved cbs news man, bob simon. according to police a town car simon was riding in hit another car stopped at a red light on the west side highway spinning into the center divider of the both simon and driver had to be cut out of the car. simon was pronounced dead on arrival at the nearby hospital. >> a teary eyed scott pelley reported the news on wednesday night. >> our 60 minutes colleague, bob simon, was killed this evening. anderson cooper who worked

with simon at "60 minutes" called him a warrior poet. >> bob was for the past five decade simply one of the best in my opinion, the best in the world at getting a story, telling a story and writing a story and making it simply unforgettable. >> a native new yorker full bright scholar and fixture on cbs news half a century. simon and his team were captured by iraqi forces while reporting during the gulf war in 1991 and held for 40 days. >> this is a story that could have ended another way but it's had a happy ending. >> reporter: over the course of his career simon received a number of honors including 27 emmys. his latest report airing on "60 minutes" just this past sunday. overnight fans and colleagues sharing their grief online. katie couric, heartbreaking news about bob simon, a brilliant writer and reporter and someone i admired deeply.

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it? >> for me i'm going to punt that -- going to leave that up to you -- >> any british politician right or left wing and say yes, of course evolution is true. >> i'm here to talk about trade, not to pontiff indicate i love the evolution of trade in wisconsin and like to see even bigger evolution as well. >> very lovely to talk to you. >> i appreciate it. >> well joining me now, chris cillizza and jeanne cummings and deputy editor for bloomberg news. why are they all going to london? it goes back to what happened with mitt romney last time around when he really stumbled before the olympics and offended everybody. what's the point? >> you know i mean so in theory, the point is to say, you

know i may be a governor chris christie or scott walker but i am a citizen of the world. when i was in fill in the blank country and talked to fill in the blank world leader i got a certain perspective. it's resume building but i always say this this is true of foreign trips and politics more generally, it's harder than it looks. most people think, go give a speech and answer a few questions and look sort of presidential. it's harder than it looks. scott walker i don't necessarily care about the evolution question in particular but you have to answer questions. you can't say i'm going to punt on this one -- he didn't answer any questions. that's not sort of thing people are looking for, whether it's stateside london germany, fill in the blank place, not a great moment. >> i thought as i was tracking this yesterday he was doing the right thing, smart thing by not commenting on barack obama because there is a tradition of

not going overseas and criticizing the president, the commander in chief. but i think not commenting on evolution or climate change especially. >> what's the point in being there? >> yes, what is also remarkable he was over there for several days and it was an extremely controlled visit. this was one rare public moment for him. and to not get it right when you only are going to provide one opportunity for people to see you, also elevates the harm done. >> let's talk about rand paul because he was out today and playing coy. i don't think there's any doubt he plans to be running. where's the mystery? here's what he had to say at the reboot conference today. >> you've done the fund raising tours through silicon valley so you are running for president, right? >> maybe. i'm about as directs as anybody on this. we're thinking very strongly about it.

we do travel everywhere with the intention of putting the message out and seeing if it resonates. part of the decision-making process is do you have a chance is the message resonating? do people believe that you can somehow win this? it's not really a lot of fun. >> while he was doing this jeanne, you had jeb bush in new york city at a $100,000 a head event. >> yes. that was a price tag that surprised even some of the donors on wall street. but that is the super pac, thags the new world with the candidate super pac where they can collect 1 million from someone or $100,000 from someone. one of the reasons rand paul is a bit coy, to announce means there are laws that suddenly go into place, that includes disclosure and many other things that become real legal reasons that you want to stay away from saying i'm a candidate until

you're seriously ready to step into that realm. >> and primarily on the democratic side chris cillizza with hillary clinton who's organizing her staff and doing all of her preparations but there's no advantage to coming out any sooner than april or whenever she is planning to come out, even later. >> right, no one is going to announce until i think sort of the second quarter. so we're now january to -- the end of march is the first quarter. you don't necessarily want to announce because jeanne is right, you have all sorts of disclosure requirements and let's say you announce now. you've got to get on your horse to raise enough money that's seen as impressive between the six weeks that you have left. my guess is you're going to see formal announcements after that april 1st deadline. hillary clinton may be included. >> all right, chris cillizza and jeanne cummings. >> on another note real or fake, was it a frank underwood

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syria. now president obama is turning to congress to authorize his military plan for acting against isis. dianne feinstein joins me now. great to see you again. >> thank you very much. >> i certainly were right as to the threat we faced. now what about the way the war powers language he has sent up, there's criticism already from both sides that the language is too ambiguous and it either gives too much authority or some say it would permit boots on the ground and not restricted enough. >> as i understand it andrea he worked with the foreign relations committee to try to craft something that met both sides. the doves and hawks, whether that's really possible or not, i don't know. i know this isil is now known to americans. we've seen the beheadings and burnings and hostages taken. we've seen people frog walked

and then essentially mowed down. we've seen massacres and we've seen christians killed simply because they were christian and not muslim. it has a much higher profile than let's say aqap which is more remote equally dangerous to america, but more remote. so what is wanted is an authorization for use of force that's legal. i think the three years is fine. i believe very strongly that we have to use special operations. that we have to motivate under i think jordan's leadership now, arab nations who are willing to put boots on the ground and really fight this thing. and we provide the technical, the backup, a lot of the kin etic response that's necessary. it's not going to be easy because one of the things that we've all seen is the met tas

tis sis of these groups they start as one thing and merge into another and move to other areas and they are a dominant threat to peace in the world today. i really believe this. there's never been a time when there are more threats to the united states than there is now. so as i said once before. we're either going to fight them there or fight them here. and i believe that. so how the united states worked out its role the kind of leadership it provides in terms of command preps, in terms of providing equipment, bombing runs special operations that can do a number of different things on the ground is important. and making that legal in terms of an authorization to use military force, i think is critical. >> i want to ask you about the hostage families. the muellers kayla mueller's

family i've been told tried at one point when isis gave them an e-mail threat release this terrible woman who's been imprisoned in texas, convicted al qaeda terrorist, within 30 days or we'll kill takekayla. the time point came and went but they asked the white house to release her and there are others who believe we are not doing enough and not permitting them to raise money privately and get their children home the way the europeans were released by paying ransom. what should the president do? >> doing enough is destroying isil and that's what has to happen. we cannot provide funds for isil to get more arment to kill more people or cut off more heads or burn its victims. i am not in favor of dealing with these people and it's

terrible to say because it is so hard to do and that's why this aumf is important, that the congress come behind the president with what is a strategy and tactical i hope piece that will meet approval. >> let me ask you finally about ukraine. there is a ceasefire today. do you think it can last? do you still think we should arm ukraine to fight -- to defend itself against these russians clearly russians? last time russian separatists gained all types of territory and why should anybody trust vladimir putin? >> we'll see. i think it's important. it's a step forward. i think the ceasefire by the way end of valentine's day is important. we'll see if they roll back their heavy equipment within the two weeks that set out and we'll see what kind of votes can be

taken. look russia has over a million people in its military. it's well armed and well trained. i think it makes no sense for the ukraine and russia to have a major war. and for us to get dragged into it. what does make sense is to work out an agreement that hopefully both sides can agree to. i suspect it will eventually involve crimea, that's okay. i think the people on the east side of ukraine have a say in their destiny. so the degree to which this can be done and the terms can be worked out, the imf is loaning more than $10 billion to ukraine to put its house in order. that was announced this morning. that too is good news. so the right path has begun and i want to congratulate the

european leadership actually for that very long negotiation session and coming out with something tangible. >> senator feinstein, it's always a pleasure, thank you for being with us. >> appreciate it. >> it is a second day of the american sniper murder trial in texas where eddie routh has been charged with capital murder in the shooting deaths of chris kyle and his friend chad littlefield. charles, what's happening in court today? >> reporter: yes, texas ranger michael adcock is on the stand and walking the family through the crime scene, through the shooting range where they were shot to death by eddie routh two years ago. the ranger has said there's a lot of shell casings from two different weapons used to kill the men. interesting that both men had their own personal firearms tucked in their waistband with the safety still on indicating

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disease control tracking down every single case and outstanding humanitarian partners with more than 10,000 people under contract working with us to really stomp out ebola, which is why the president was able to announce a transition in our approach from in large scale effort with military personnel to bringing troops home with the exception of about 100 troops that stay on for specialized tasks but with the focus of getting to zero. >> do you think in retrospect that if this were to happen again, there wouldn't be some local hospital like the one in dallas that would use bad procedures and really engender so much of the panic here at home? >> we're far more prepared today than we were at the time that that happened. the protocols are tighter, more hospitals are trained and prepared and ready. more states can diagnose a case and the cases that can go to treat appropriate treatment facilities are well identified and procedures are in place. america has also responded

inside our borders as well as in west africa where we're tackling this challenge at its source. and successfully accomplishing that goal. >> and you started five years ago and a week later the haiti earthquake. people are still living in tents and under terrible conditions there, five years later. >> well we don't actually have a lot of people who are displaced from the earthquake still in tents. we have housing for almost everybody who lost their home in that context at this point. more importantly, i was there just before christmas and what i saw was haitian economy has grown almost 4% a year since the earthquake. in the decade prior, the average growth rate was negative 1% every year. the number of children who go hungry is down 50% from the day before the earthquake, down because we stopped giving away a lot of american food and dumping some extra food in haiti and instead invested in agriculture

and science and people are growing more local food and children are surviving at greater rates. it shows when we're persistent it's not always headline news but american engagement is helping the most vulnerable people in haiti and around the world aspire for a day when they don't live in extreme poverty. >> it's been a privilege working with you and look forward to your next adventures thank you. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. up next chris matthews here about the democratic pick for the 2016 convention his home town, philly. stay with us. eve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? how are you? aleve, proven better on pain. push your enterprise and you can move the world. ♪ ♪ but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how

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the decision is in and it's philly they will host the democratic national convention in 2016. someone very happy about the news is "hardball"'s chris matthews. >> philly billy bo --

>> eddie rendell and mayor nutter, they came through. the arguments were pretty conclusive and debbie wasser man shultz made the call today. >> we were there with the republican convention -- >> the history, excuse me -- 1904 tedry roosevelt, 1936 frankly roosevelt. and the 1940 harry truman the city has a great history. >> 1968 at the convention center, thurman walking out. >> and harry truman was nominated there, all three that year. this is great for the city. eagles didn't do it. the phillies are down in the dumps a little and the flyers -- it's a good year to get them back. it's great. >> what does it mean politically? there's no question that the democrats always win pennsylvania and -- >> i'll tell you one thing, very good news for joe sestak who

will be the nominate for senate next year. if your presidential candidate wins, you're going to win. there's one pickup for the democrats because of moving to pennsylvania. i'm sure they have thought about that. they can win a seat and knock off toomey and pick the senate back up. if hillary becomes the next president -- >> you mean nominee, she will be the nominee and has a chance to win the general. it's all about everything everything is better off now because of philly. >> and philadelphia clearly can host it they've got hotels -- >> history. >> they've got something to say. it's what i was arguing, you've got the declaration of independence, the constitution both written right there on market street. we hold these truths to be self-evident, all men and women are created equal. life and liberty and pursuit of happiness, if you're a gay couple african-american, all of the values instilled in history

not always honored but today are more increasingly honored, it's a great place to go back and say this is what we believe in. grab the meaning of the flag not just the flag. >> and the constitution center right this across the liberty bell. >> it's an education for people to go to philadelphia. by the way, kyw is probably going crazy -- >> night alma mater. >> i remember andrea mitchell covering my house race in the democratic primary. you won't believe this -- 1974 the democratic primary, chris matthews running. >> that couldn't have been you or i. >> it was in fact both of us. it's all true. >> well it's going to be so much fun. i remember the republican convention in 2000 when we were covering it and good lord i remember interviewing first of all that was when collin powell got booed from the floor. >> that was a bad night for him. >> joint chiefs chairman and got booed over affirmative action

and i interviewed former president ford and he suffered a stroke in his hotel room. >> there will be drama this time whethers had hillary clinton to pick a running mate that's going to be a lot of drama and i assume it's going to be her, when she runs she'll win. >> also a democrat who shouldn't be overlooked born in pennsylvania in scranton pennsylvania. >> joe by the way, what i hear in your reporting probably tells it, talking to people serious about getting into the fight for president. he's looking at it very seriously. we'll see. >> we will see. that's why we love politics and love you, chris matthews. >> thank you. >> on "hardball" of course. >> tonight we'll have eddie rendell and mayor -- >> it's a philly fest. >> 7:00. >> keep up. >> thank you, andrea. >> "hardball qult" of course, 7:00

eastern on msnbc. follow the show online "hardball" 5:00 -- >> "hardball" 7:00. i'm dying here. something else -- >> and my colleague ronan farrow. help me, take it away. >> this is how it ends a pool of laughter. i love that with you guys we have a big show ahead. one interesting exclusive, we're going to break some new developments in the response after those horrific shootings in north carolina. what the family and what the muslim community is planning to do next on the day of the funerals of the three young people tragically shot and we have an interview with the father of two of those young people. unimaginable day for him. also, some new developments in the space world and how social media is reacting. stay with us, everybody.

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it's 1:00 p.m. on the east coast, 10:00 a.m. on the west. same sex couples in alabama are caught in a standoff over their right to marry. but they may be about to have their day in court. one hour from now we anticipate the same judge who struck down a gay marriage ban last month in that state will hear arguments whether alabama's probate judges have to issue marriages to same-sex couples. the state's chief justice has told judges not to do so even after a federal judge said it's unconstitutional to deny licenses and use supreme court refused to stay that decision to buy justice more time. some counties still refusing to grant licenses and couples caught in limbo, they filed a complaint about to be heard today. justice correspondent and supreme court wiseman pete williams is here with me. what do we expect from this hearing? >> i