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ans. welcome to "the ed show." live from new york. let's get to work. tonight, putin police. >> the deal seemed unlikely. >> there's an an agreement to implement the cease-fire. >> what matters most of all is actions on the ground. >> but the world is skeptical. and later what's in your food? >> it all has been genetically modified. >> the national appetite grows for gmo labeling. >> we don't have that federal standard. >> they got nothing on gmos. >> why? >> gmo. >> plus the dark horse everyone is talking about for 2016. >> scott walker. >> scott walker wowed them in iowa. >> for him to become president would be the first president in many generations who did not have a college degree. >> i'm going to punt on that one as well.
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good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we start with major news from ukraine. vladimir putin agreed to a cease-fire to end violence in ukraine. the conflict has claimed a 5,000 lives. the truce was announced by world leaders after marathon negotiations. leaders from russia ukraine, france and germany were all involved in the deal. details of the agreement were posted on the kremlin website. they include a full pard don for rebel fighters. a full prisoner exchange and the real removal of all foreign forces. rebels will be held to give more power to more local leaders. the cease-fire begins saturday at midnight. earlier today the prm david cameron said he was optimistic about the deal. but he had stern words for vladimir putin. >> if this is a genuine cease-fire, then of course
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that would be welcomed. but what matters most of all is actually actions on the ground rather than just words on a piece of paper. and i think we should be very clear that vidladimir putin needs to know unless his behavior changes the the sanctions went be altered. >> things have already escalated. world leaders remain hoe hopeful. there's no doubt sanctions played a role in the agreement. s&p recently cut it to junk status. the ruble has droppeded 51%. russia draws 45% of the tax revenues from oil taxes. all this has caused inflation and forced the russians to drive up interest rates. today's announcement as the international monetary fund said
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it would give $40 million to bail out the government. in the face of growing economic problems he was forced into a cease-fire. that's how it appears. president obama's strategy of sanctions certainly had an impact. as of now the conflict is not 100% over, but we are seeing significant process. the president's request is meeting resistance on capitol hill. republicans and democrats are shaky on the request. speaker boehner thinks it doesn't go far enough. here's what the house speaker said today. >> i have concerns about the president's submission. >> i'm going to give our military commanders the flexibility and the authority that they need to defeat our enemies. and the white house readily admits the office they're seeking is more restrictive than what they already have in place. if we're going to defeat our enemy and win this fight, we need a strong robust strategy
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and a strong robust authorization. >> robust means what? more war? is troops on the ground? that's republican talk. some republicans want the option to use ground forces against isis. we should note boehner hasn't rejected the president's request. on the flip side the democrats think the president's request is too broad on the use of ground troops. independent senator bernie sanders announced he woud not support the authorization. sanders says there needs to be clear limitations on the role of ground troops. the p is the upset. moveon.org released a statement saying president obama's proposed authorization for use of military force is a recipe for endless and costly war. it does not repeal the sweeping 2001 aumf which 14 years later is still being used to justify ongoing military action.
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president obama's request for military forces being labeled by liberals as political theater. well, get your cell phones out. i want to know what you thinks. did president obama's sanction strategy work? text "a" for yes. text "b" for know. we'll read the results later the in the show. admiral, always la pleasure to have you with us. >> good to be with you, ed. >> your take. was putin forced into doing this. did he have a lot of options left? >> i think putin feels he probably accomplished what he wanted the to. he doesn't want a strong neighbor. he wants a weak state. frankly, that's what he has. he dismembered parts of ukraine. i think the sanctions had a part, but i also think if it hadn't been for the plummeting of the gasoline prices you may not see putin saying i've done
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enough. i would say apply more sanctions against this thug. >> this is economically driven. >> without a question. the concern i have is some of the sanctions have loopholes in them. if a bank is 50% owned, all they have to do is share 50% of the shares and they have a loophole. they're no longer in the sanctions. so i think that this man, putin, has invaded a sovereign country. he should not be let off the hook at all by either the european union or by us. >> so isn't it interesting how the republicans want ground troops against isis but they are not willing to push through the firewall to make sure we arm the ukraines. what do you make of that? >> my concerns about congress is they may not understand modern war warfare. this is not the old days vietnam era. conventional force against
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conventional force. isis is an asymmetric threat. i wonder how long in congress really understand that it's not talking tough. it's understanding modern warfare. to put ground troops. like the president said we're not going to do. it's foolish. we can do this with the right coalition and do it from the air and perhaps a special force that can take a laser, point it at a specific target and have it be guided there. we don't want to give the laser to a sunni who may shoot at a shia even to this they're fighting at the seem side in iraq. >> so you believe the president does have a strategy? that this is a game plan he's been following all along given the russians separatists and isis? >> i think as you and i have had decisions the last three years that he has been slow to respond to isis. yet, when he has, it's been the
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right strategy. a year ago they were 60 miles from baghdad. i believe now we have the right strategy. it's a little harder to do because if we had given arms to the more moderate rebels, we may not be in the tough situation that we are. to have the arabs seeing one of their own and jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage all the sudden says wait a moment they're against us. and so i think mobilizing them with us from the air with some select special forces is the right strategy. it would be poolish to foolish to put in other brigades. >> and back to the russian situation. do you think the cease-fire will last? that will putin's motivation be to break the cease-fire? >> i think the motivation will
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be if ukraine becomes much more somber. the economy says to putin wait a minute here. i've said before they're nothing but a gas station. now the oil fields are running out in western siberia. they need our technology to develop new oil fields in the east. i believe we have to demonstrate by putting a presence in the baltics that we standby article five of nato. that we will stand strong against such a man who will violate the country's southernty. john sestak great to have you with us. let's turn to michael o'hanlan from brookings institute. how much of a play do you think the sanctions had in all of
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this? i think they definitely have had an effect. it's good to hear my friend admiral sestak and his analysis. i think he's also right to caution that the uncertainty about what happens next is huge. everything from a possible recovery of oil prices to greater use by russians in the existing sanctions could lead to less pressure. and on top of that putin is in his element in when he's in a sparring match with us. he cares more about eastern ukraine than we do. but he's so irrational about this that he's willing to see a fair amount of economic damage to his country, as long as he can claim a broader strategic win. so i'm afraid we have to contend with him for a while. we need to get beyond the debate about arms and think about a broader european security deal that could try to reduce the odds that putin will stoke this
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up again. >> prime minister cameron didn't sound confident this was going to hold. what was your take on his reaction? like admiral sestak he's prudent. and i think, you know we have to give that a try. he was associated by good allies. it involved ukraine and their president. the alternatives are poor. the only thing is you have to callibrate in accordance tw the verifiable reduction in the region. as long as you're careful on that front, you can hope this deal works and give it a shot. the way this is politically playing out on capitol hill. how big of a fight will it be? do you think it's going to pass or will the republicans hold the line on this?
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>> i'm not happy about the debate. i don't see it helping us. i don't agree with moveon.org. and i think they have a point. the 2001 authorization remains intact, much of this debate doesn't really party. it's almost like they're looking for the player to revive old arguments. so i would rather see the debates about specific policies towards the three countries that i am most concerned about. i would rather see congress turn the attention to those specifics rather than what i see as a theoretical debate that will not matter. we don't hear military leaders telling us they can defeat isis with what they're doing right now. they're not critical of the president. there doesn't seem to be a confident word coming from the
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military that we are doing the right thing. i find that rather interesting. is the president doing this because the american people don't have an appetite for it or does the president really believe the strategy that we have per se, against isis is eventually going to work? >> well i think it will work or at least there's a good chance in iraq. i think it has a poor chance in syria. my read of the president, i don't know him personally. i haven't spoken to him about this issue. but my reading of him is that he knows the syria policy is flopping right now. but at least it's not getting americans killed. at least it's not becoming the third big war in the middle east. until he's confident that he sees a better approach that has limits on how it may escalate. he prefers a bod policy than a potentially disastrous alternative. i don't totally agree with the way he is choosing his approaches here. but i can see his point.
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there's a certain strategic wisdom in restraint. aechb though you may not be successful. isis is too dangerous to leave it there. the president hasn't yet heard a policy approach that he thinks is good. >> michael hamlin always a pleasure. good to have you with us tonight. remember to share your requestquestions with us. we always want to know what you think and appreciate your comments. coming up food for thought. the fight to let the american people know how much genetically modified food we are consuming. big talk from republicans on their so-called new american congress. we'll see how it is all working out for them.
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for the road ahead. that's the power of streamlined connections. that's merrill edge and bank of america. welcome back to "the ed show." a food fight is shaping up in washington, d.c. earlier today a group of democrats introduced legislation requiring the food and drug administration to clearly label genetically modified foods. the food industry has tried to squash labeling efforts for years. they don't want it. it's estimated at least 80% of the food in the united states grocery store shelves contains bio engineered ingredients. now the movement of americans who want to know what exactly is in their food is certainly gaining in popularity. in fact, an associated press poll finds 66% of respon dantdents
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were in favor of labeling gmos. this includes foods grown in laboratories. three states connecticut, maine and vermont have mandatory ge labeling laws. more than 70 bills have been introduced across the country in more than 30 states trying to require labeling. the food right to know act is aiming to make a federal requirement that companies would have to let consumers know exactly what's this the box they're purchasing. also with us tonight, chef ka lick owe and host and judge of the new bravo series "best new restaurant." congressman, give me the upside of this. why is this that the democrats and i say democrats because i only saw one republican, i believe it was from arkansas in the house who was in favor of
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this. what is the upside here? >> well i've seen much higher polling numbers consistently on the fact that people want to know what sh in their food and make an informed decision. 64 countries around the world require this including the entire european union. earlier today i brought a hershey bar wrapper that said made in the usa. contains organisms from sugar beets and corn. but we're hearing that it's impossible to do that. that would be incredibly expensive to do that. no. there is no additional expense. a reasonable estimate is it would cost an average family for the change in labeling two-thirds of a cent a day for a year. the industry puts out the
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numbers. the industry spent $21 million against it. for more any other initiative. they won by 800 votes, by lying to people and telling them they were going to cost them $600 a year. that's a lie. >> tom it works in other countries. why wouldn't it work here? why are we behind the curb here? >> for a long time congress has supported companies as opposed to people. people demanding labeling want clear transparency. so they were using the science. i'm not anti-science. but they're using it as a business model to sell to the farmers. the companies did a great job 15 years ago selling technology to farmers. they never had to sell it to the american public.
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i suspect they're spending hundreds of millions on lobbying. they should sell the american public. >> the republicans are saying that you know and people in the ag community are saying this is the future. the republican congresswoman marsha blackburn said this about genetically engineered food. this was back in december when the conversation was going on. >> it all has been genetically modified. if you want to go back and eat original wheat or barley it's not going to give you very much of a yield. and it's not going to be the desirable product that you're looking for today. so we have to realize that as a part of this debate. >> well, what did we do before gmo? was the food lousy in america or what? your response to that congressman. >> she's saying it's all been
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genetically modified. it hasn't. they say, oh it happens in nature. there's a new corn just approved by if fda that they're going to dub the essential ingredients of agents orange to the corn because they have given them resistance to 24d. and you're going to tell them there's not residuals and there's certainly going to be secondary harm to the environment. monarch butterflies are becoming distinct because of these. >> is food safety an issue here tom? >> not necessarily food safety there is really no science behind the fact that gmo products are hard to ingest. i have a problem with the environmental effects. moist of these crops are engineered to withstand roundup.
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and now 24d. now it's in the water supply. we're seeing it show up in breast milk of nursing mothers. and so i think from environmental standpoint there's a real risk involved here. >> big business will be on the capitol hill i would imagine. a lot of people to stop this thing from going through. are you going to get any republican support at all? where do you think it will play in the senate. >> i passeded a national organics standard more than 20 years ago here in congress from zero. massive nationwide citizen movement. and that's what we need mere. moms, dads, people who are attentive to their diets, chefs like tom. they want to know. some major food retailers, whole foods, is moving in that direction. they want people to know. i believe market forces or the american public can command these changes, and it will be he
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or she, the elected official says no i don't think you should have that information. we don't trust you with it. >> would this be of interest to your industry? >> not to mine. no. in fact in my restaurants we are 99% gmo-free at this point. we're using all fresh food. there's only about nine crops that are genetically engineered. and most of them are commodity crops, with the exception of some zucchini. this affects packaged goods. and it doesn't affect them at all really. most of the companies are already dealing with trade partners and they already have labeling to deal with european trade partners and asian trade partners. it shouldn't make much of a difference. >> great to have you with us. congressman, appreciate your time as well. thanks so much. coming up, john boehner's latest rant shows somehow desperate the republican majority really is. plus the two-minute drill. tiger says his game is not good
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welcome back to "the ed show." republicans have had control of congress for fife weeks now. house speaker john boehner is playing the blame game with the homeland security bill. >> why don't you go ask the senate democrats when they're going to get off their ass and do something other than vote no? >> your party controls the chamber. >> is this the coronation you envisioned? the issue is not senate republicans. the issue is senate democrats. seven of whom criticized the president's executive overreach on immigration, and yet they continue to block consideration of the bill. >> i love mitch.
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but he's not getting anything done. we have heidi harris. the host of the high disharris show. also with us tonight. lou desmond. great to have you both with us. what's happening? where is the health care bill? we've heard the republicans and the conservative take apart obamacare, but they have no gain. how come nothing is on the table? i'm going to say something that might surprise you. it is purpsly complicated like the irs. like the tax code. they are talking about specific allowances for people who manufacture medical instances and those things. it's like the tax code. we're not going to repeal it but we're going to give you benefits. i don't think they're going to do it. i wish they were. they're not going to do it.
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>> why have they focused the country on making us believe they have something better when they really don't. and when it comes down to it they're better served for leaving it the way it is. it's going to be too expenseive and complicated. i want repeal. i don't see them having the will to do it. it's disappointing to me. i got to tell you. >> on this subject, the democrats promise to pass health care, and they did. and millions of americans are being covered because of it. rates are coming down. more people are covered and we're getting better outcomes. they're ripping apart bauchl care. is it too much to expect that maybe we would see them follow up on what they've been complaining about? >> well ed i can only speak from my experience and as a small business owner, as a person who runs his own business, my health care has been terribly affected. we're on the third or fourth policy. still trying to find it. people like me that self insured, nothing but hurt by
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obamacare. i would like to see it repealed. >> how you been hurt? >> i used to have insurance that i liked. we had the doctors group that my wife and the kids were born to that had always gone to. and we have not been able to go back to the same doctor's group. they keep dropping the insurances that we get because the government is cutting reimbursement. i did not get to keep my doctor. i did not get to keep my plan. that was a lie to people like me who have to self insure. >> but you're not denied. you have to pay more. nobody in america, if one of your kids gets sick you're still ensured. if we look at the previous years, health care we've seen double digit increases. so where is the hurt? it's not a perfect world. you can still get insurance. >> it was called the affordable
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care act. i was promised and millions of other people were promised that we could keep our doctor and we could keep our plan. that simply wasn't true for a large population sector that has to self ensure. >> you're in favor of the junk insurance out there. they wiped out a lot of policies that didn't do consumers any good. >> i had insurance i was happy with. >> all right. fair enough. fair enough. the fact is we have federal standards, just like we have standards on a lot of things in the country. i want to play a clip from john boehner talking about keystone. here's one thing that they have done. here it is. >> yesterday the house acted in a bipartisan way to approve the keystone pipeline. this will create tens of thousands of jobs or at least 42,000, at least according to the president's state department. more than 20 nation's governors sent a letter to the white house
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asking the president to consider signing the important bill. there is no good reason. none whatsoever for the president to veto this jobs bill. >> i could certainly think of about a dozen off the top of my head. why do the republicans get so excited about part-time jobs when they don't want to give the president credit credit for creating 11 million over the last six years? >> listen anything to benefit us and help our partnership with canada interests me. maybe i sound paranoid here. i find it fascinating that every time we start really talking about energy independence suddenly miraculously the price of gas is very affordable. drop the skistone. go back to being more energy in independent on opec. >> but they have tried to sell keystone as a bill. it's not going to be a big jobs
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bill. he even threw the number out there. 42,000. give or take five or ten. these are part-time. yet the republicans are selling it to the american people as a jobs package. >> it's the same thing with roads and infrastructure. there are no permitted jobs at all created. >> be they last more than a decade. why do we need this oil coming over? >> because we're not always going to have the exact same situation with with abundant world supply. i don't want to be dependent on people who hate us to get the oil from them. from venezuela, from russia from the middle east. i would rather produce it here and get it from a partner who is a friend of our is like canada.
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>> the oil would be put on the world market. more now than we ever have. we're doing more fracking now. the oil and gas industry has gotten damned near everything they wanted under this president. so we don't need this toxic oil brought to market. prices are what they are. let me look at the jobs market. when you see the job chart that shows we have added 11 million jobs. 55 months of private sector job growth. you think they can take any credit for the economic recovery. >> i don't think there has been a broad kbased economic recovery. there's way too many stores that were open eight or ten years ago. way too many people ununderemployed. t a record number of people on food stamps.
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a record number of people on disability. everybody is talking about the great economic recovery. i don't see it. >> you're not the market? if you were in the market of march of 2009 obviously we're adding jobs. we're not losing 400,000 jobs a month. this is historic recovery in terms of in numbers. we've never seen this growth before. but then again, we never had a recession the way we ha before. >> the republicans are doing what they can to curb the worst impulses of one of the worst presidents in history. i will take that a win. >> heidi harris good to see you again. great to have the conversation. >> coming up the new buzz on scott walker. his extremist roots are starting to show on the national stage. he's getting fan club. i have to tell you that. we're right back. merica is now the world's number one natural gas producer...
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and tiger's time-out. once upon a time tiger woods was the number one golfer in the world. nobody could touch him. in his first tournament this year, he shot a career first worst round of 82 and missed the cut of the woods' open. woods blamed an undisclosed injury. he took to his website on wednesday to share the news writing right now i need a lot of work on my game and to spend time with people important to me. i enter a tournament to compete at the highest level, a enwhen i think i'm ready, i'll be back. next up lebron james. king of kia. the official automotive partner of the nba is trying to boost sales of their luxury k 900 sedan. how about this for a plan? in october kia tapped nba superstar lebron james as the
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first ever luxury ambassador. that's right. he's an ambassador now. now the king is getting his own car. on tuesday lebron james posted this image on his facebook page teasing a special king james edition of the k900. the caption reads we're just getting started. and finally, bill belichick gets late night treatment on deflategate. >> i know you know exactly what happened. you know i know you know. and what it was was some kind of horseplay. am i right? >> no. [ laughter ] i heard that the guy intercepts the pass, and he takes the ball over, hands it to his guy, he deflates it. then they say, hey, look at this ball. it's got no air in it. is that what happened? >> we're going to bring you in to testify when we get the investigation next month. >> i'm ready. >> sounds like we can look forward to a deflategate
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bounce, which really started after hi appearance at the iowa freedom summit. "the washington post" reports his fiery speech got people talking. mentions of scott walker on facebook they surged in the days following the speech. in terms of facebook buzz he's beating out tom contender jeb bush. meanwhile rush limb bulk is leading the bandwagon. "the national journal" reports that limbaugh mentioned scott walker more than 200 times in the days following at the summit. while his speeches are inspiring, he's lacking in answers when he faces the press. while on a trade mission in london, the wisconsin governor spoke to a british think tank. he wasn't very forthcoming. >> are you comfortable with the idea of evolution? do you believe in it? do you accept it? >> for me i'm going to punt on that one as well. >> no. really?
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>> that's a question that a politician shouldn't be involved with one way or the other. >> in britain, any politician could laugh and say, of course evolution is true. >> it's here where i'm here to talk about trade -- i love the evolution of trade in wisconsin, and i'd like to see an even bigger evolution. >> it might play on the icy tundra, but voters across the country will certainly demand more answers. walker later responded on twitter -- both science and my faith dictate my belief that we are created by god. i believe faith and science are compatible and go hand in hand. joining me tonight, david corn msnbc political analyst and washington bureau chief of "mother jones." what's this walker buzz all about? how do you rae ed it? >> well he is not jeb bush and not mitt romney. he is a guy who appeals to the tea party, you know part of the party without being really a tea
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party extremist, to be polite about it. so in that way, you know as you well know ed you were there, that was that big recall battle over his attempts to break the public sector unions in wisconsin, and for that i think he won the hearts of people in the koch brothers donor network, other libertarians people within the business community across america. so he does play to a certain amount of constituencies. now, the real question is whether he'll play to voters beyond wisconsin and whether he can sort of take this game which is maybe a triple-a league and bring it to the bick wleeg. we have seen in this outing to london and on some recent national shows that he's just not very good at talking about other things beyond cheese and scott walker. so when he's asked about foreign policy by martha raddatz on abc about two, three weeks, he basically punted there, and he
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can't even answer a straight question about elf usa or talk about foreign policy when he's overseas. >> david, your take on this and i don't mean this to be a cheap shot, because there are lots of successful people in american who do not have a degree. does that matter? he has not graduated from college. some people think it's important, some people won't. what do you think? does it matter? >> i don't think it makes a difference. i almost doesn't graduate from college, because like scott walker i found other things that were more interesting to me than college itself. so if he hasn't lied about it or misrepresented his college degree and so far i don't see any indication that he has, then i don't think it's really a big issue. i mean he's been a governor. he's been through others i think ten campaigns. there's enough stuff in the real time on his real positions to evaluate him as a presidential candidate, right? >> he's not a veteran of the military. but he is a veteran of
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campaigns. i think we would be hard-pressed to find somebody who has run 14 campaigns in 25 years. the guy knows how to get on stage and talk it over. >> and you know -- >> i mean i think this is invaluable experience. your thoughts? >> i think that's right, too. i do think he just ran one reelection in the last campaign the last election and, you know, people might remember that he ran ads that kind of gave the impression that he was in favor of a woman's right to choose on abortion when in fact he doesn't and he's been very -- you know when pressed, he's been staunchly antiabortion. this is a guy who can be weasely, and i'll say that not in a pejorative way, but when it comes to winning campaigns and figuring out what he has to do to win. i think he's very smart add clever in a political way, but
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big question whether that can translate to a higher level of play. . the rush limbaugh love affair what does it mean? >> listen i think it will help. everyone talks about the money primary and how jeb bush is trying to raise $100 million in the first three months. i think there's a lot of money on the republican side but only a couple candidates will be able to tap into that. he's done well because of the recall effort in getting out of state money from koch brothers and other sources of big fat cats and such so having rush limbaugh talking in that way will help him with small donors and may help if he tries to start putting together a grass-roots operation in iowa south carolina new hampshire, which he really has to start doing yesterday. >> well i think there's par of the choir that probably didn't know who scott walker is. i don't think limbaugh can hurt him with that crowd. david corn always a pleasure.
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thanks so much. that is "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. \s . thank to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from the fake ga lap goss islands. happy darwin today. 206 years ago charles darwin was born. he would develop his theory of evolution from what he saw right here in galapagos islands, all the way back to 1835 when darwin discovered the animals that led to his famous theory. look there's the famous galapagos seals, but back in reality people all over the world are celebrating darwin's birthday today. there are over 100 parties across the globe.