him with that crowd. david corn always a pleasure. thanks so much. that is "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. \s . thank to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from the fake ga lap goss islands. happy darwin today. 206 years ago charles darwin was born. he would develop his theory of evolution from what he saw right here in galapagos islands, all the way back to 1835 when darwin discovered the animals that led to his famous theory. look there's the famous galapagos seals, but back in reality people all over the world are celebrating darwin's birthday today. there are over 100 parties across the globe. in ohio they're wearing darwin

beards and do 24-hour readings of the "the origin of species." in north dakota, you can hang out with a life-sized cutout of the guy. in portugal you can even go speed dating with evolutionary biologists. but one guy who hasn't rsvp'd to the parties, wisconsin governor scott walker who asked if he believed in evolution. >> are you comfortable with the idea of evolution? do you believe in it? do you accept it? >> for me i'm going to punt on that as well. >> no. really? >> that's a question a politician shouldn't be involved in one way or the other. >> so the new gop star the guy rush limbaugh is gushing over can't answer a question on evolution? he tried to clarify it. quote -- both science and my faith dictate my belief that we

are created by god. i believe faith and science are compatible, and go hand in hand. but 98% of scientists believe that humans evolved over time. there's a growing problem with the gop and science. we all know about this image, the evolution of man, but there's the evolution of the gop, it looks like it hasn't evolved on policy issues. from health care to women's rights to economic fairness to immigration. the world is changing. it's about time the gop starts evolves, and a good way we could start -- answering simple questions on evolution. they shouldn't need this fake vest or be in the fake galapagos islands to do it. joining me now is congresswoman karen bass democrat of california and dana

milbank of "the washington post." thank you both for being here. >> looking sharp, reverend. >> thank you. congresswoman, first of all, happy darwin day to you. >> thank you, same to you. >> how do you explain scott walker? >> i will say that scott walker was auditioning to run for president, and i think he failed on his first audition. there's no explanation for that and there's no excuse to dodge such a fundamental question as that. >> and there's no contradiction of having faith and science, but dana scott walker whab kind of the flavor of the week lately in the gop, but if you can't answer a question on how he feels about evolution, how can he survive a presidential primary? >> yeah i wonder about that reverend, what is it about every time a republican goes over to london, they wander down some blind alley and end up in the 19th century. just a week ago chris christie

was disparaging vaccination when he was over in britain, and now you have this on evolution. i would say at the rate that republicans are evolving right now, i think you'll see a blue hydrangea evolve into a bald eagle before you see this party evolve into a modern political party. >> congresswoman, talking about how the gop is evolving what would you like to see your republican colleagues evolve on? >> just i could go down a long list but we do have to acknowledge that they are consistent. because they also don't believe in global warming, because there's a lot of snow in boston. they haven't evolved when it comes to the question of women's health and some people believe that women have magical powers. so i think we see this consistently. then what they're doing here in congress, we voted for the 56th time to repeal obamacare, so we really could call this the cut-and-paste congress. we are literally doing the exact same thing we did last session

and just repeating it this session. it's a ritual that we have to do every few months. i guess that's the way they satisfy their base. >> dana another things that republicans haven't evolved on is funding the government. the department of homeland security could be headed for a shutdown because republicans keep passing bills that defund the president's executive action on immigration. and democrats won't vote for them. here's senator ted cruz on the situation to date. >> we are in a time of growing threats at home and abroad and for senate democrats in a partisan vote to filibuster funding for the department of homeland security is both reckless and irresponsible. the answer is for senate democrats not to be obstructionists. >> but "the hill" reports that one gop senator whispered to "the hill" reporter quote -- of

course republicans will get blamed for a shutdown. so if there's a shutdown at homeland security who will get the blame, dana? >> well of course the congress which is controlled by republicans will get the blame for this. >> right. >> you can hear people already complaining privately, republicans complaining privately that ted chris has done this to them again. look since taking over congress a month or so ago, they've been slipping on one banana peel over another, whether it's been with abortion immigration, the keystone pipeline and now this homeland security thing that ted cruz served up. they -- just as he did to them in the fall of 2013 they seem to have no way out of this thing other than climbing down in humiliation, or forcing a shutdown that they're bound to lose. >> congresswoman, i heard you kind of making noise. you want to weigh in on that same question? >> i certainly do. think of the irony. you have the republicans who want to go to war. the president has asked for the

authorization of the use of force. he really wants to have it tailored and narrowed. the republicans want it to be more expanded but yet they're not going to fund the homeland? so we will be prepared to have a war, but yet tsa and the other things we they'd to protect our own country here that's what they're holding up. you can't say that the democrats are responsible for shutdown if it happens. they control everything now. they control the senate they control the house. the whole enchilada is in their lap. >> you know, dana the republicans are criticizing the president's request authorizing military action against isil as you said. but listen to this from the crew over at fox. >> it seems that it comes with a ton of restrictions restricting the war-fighting distress of the president there, specific limits seem to be put in the language of this agreement here on ground troops. a limited time really saying

this is going to be done in three years. what does it say to the enemy? pretty much outlining all the things we won't do. >> tell us what we're going to do and not what we're not going to do. >> the president seems caught up in 2008. he's not george bush. >> or tell the enemy every day how long they need to wait us out sinchts how can they criticize that dana? >> think about the hi pockriesy here, every day you tune into "fox & friends" and they call the president a dictator who's seizing power. he's comes in with a narrow resolution that's asking congress to limit his powers saying we want to give him way more pow are than he wants to accept. basically whatever this president is proposing, they're opposed to it. >> exactly. >> congresswoman, some reps have gone even further than that. one member said he's not sure he should vote for the military authorization, because the president might help isis.

listen to this. >> we have a commander in chief who seems not only not really not unwilling, but really working collaboratively with what i would say is the enemy of freedom and of individual freedom and liberty and western civilization and modernity. in that context, how do you vote to give this commander in chief the authority and the power to take action? he actually might use it to further their cause in what seems to be his cause and just drag you as a complicitor in it. >> congresswoman, this is outrageous. the president working with an enemy? how can a sitting member of congress get away with it? >> that was so garbled i'm not sure what they were saying. i will tell you they say he's overextended his power, he's coming to congress asking us to

give the authorization, so now there is a problem with that. so on a daily basis, you can see it doesn't matter what the president says they're going to be against it even if they were to have written the bill if he puts his name on it and says he supports it they will be against it. >> congresswoman karen bass and dana milbank, thanks for your time tonight and happy darwin day. >> same to you. >> thank you, rev. james comy speaks out in a very candid way. much more on that speech ahead. plus was it a hate crime? developing news tonight on the triple murder of three muslim americans. plus why are gop senators delaying loretta lynch's attorney general nomination vote? democrats are not holding back today. and president obama ace viral video that has everyone

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ashton carter today. no drama, no delays. he should take over sometime next week. this moved fast and it highlice a clear difference in the republican handling of another obama nominee. loretta lynch for attorney general. republicans have been slow-walking her nomination and just pushed back on a key vote on lynch to the end of the month at the earliest. look at the numbers. it took ash carter 67 days to get from nomination to past the committee. look at loretta lynch. we're at 96 days and counting. since the president announced she was the one for the job, today senate democrats said it's not right. >> i think that loretta lynch is being held to a double standard,

and her nominategnomenomination is listed on the agenda. her nomination has been pending longer than any modern nominee. >> she's been treated differently, i guess because she's a woman. what i object to is she is singled out. >> vote no that's your right, but let's just vote. i don't believe there's any excuse to delay the confirmation of such an exceptional nominee. so what's the holdup to a vote on a woman praised by both parties as a great pick for the job? joining me now is sirius/xm radio host joe madison. joe, thank you for being here. >> thank you, reverend. joe, lynch has a lot of support for both sides. what do republicans have to gain by dragging their feet? >> i think two things. one, they get a chance to profile in front of their

constituents. they're bringing up the whole issue of immigration as a way of delaying it. number two, they seem to be confused. you know we all don't look alike, and we all don't think alike, and they somehow want to -- i think dig one last dig at eric holder. he's probably been mentioned more in these hearings than she has been mentioned, and i think that's really the reason. this seems to be an opportunity to take a last-minute dig at eric holder. >> now, you know when democrats raise concerns that we played earlier, republicans seemed caught off-guard today. listen. >> i'm just a little surprised at the argument. >> i mean this is a case of faux outrage, if i ever saw one.

>> i think it's a bogus argument. >> what about this outrage do they think is fake, joe? >> i mean i don't know. i absolutely don't know. you have some of the most senior members of -- republican members of the committee that already are in support of her. and i don't know what this outrage is. now, you know i'll just say it outright. they could be -- it could be a double standard as you ahead, because she's a woman. there also could be a double standard because she's got two problems -- not a problem, but in their mind a problem, that she's a woman, and she's african-american. we might as well put that on the table also. but what is the outrage? the reality is as the senators said, look we know who's going to vote against her.

they've already done the arithmetic. just take the darn vote because now we will be looking at march before a full vote is even taken in the senate and, you know -- >> absolutely but i want to press on this because today senator feinstein laid out how long it took to confirm the last five attorney generals. lynch hasn't been approved yet, and the process is by far the longest. >> that's right. >> why is she being treated differently, is the question? >> let's be straight up. maybe she has two strikes again her, one she's a woman, and two she's african-american. and they want to make sure she's not eric holder. take a look. she may turn out to be even better than eric holder. she's her own woman. that's one of the reasons that president obama nominated her,

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preliminary investigation shows the suspect, 46-year-old craig hicks, was motivated by a parking dispute, and that the shootings were not related to the victims' faith. hicks' wife has spoken out, saying she agrees with that. but today the father of two of the victims said his previous encounters with his daughter indicate the killings were motivated by hate. >> he came to their apartment with his gun two or three times before the murder on different occasions. my daughter claimed he hated them. i would call on the chapel hill police, unc, and president obama, churches mosques, synagogues, and the american nation, if this is not a hate crime, what is a hate crime? joining mess now at the ving

the in raleigh is nbc.com's aliyah frumin. what's the mood in the community today? >> reporter: well, here at north carolina state university there are literally hundreds of people behind me, here to memorialize the three shot on tuesday. the feeling is most of all shot that such a tragedy could happen here. the youngest victim was a student here studying architecture, and many of them are here today to memorial lies that victim razan, just a feeling of anger, sadness, and a desire for justice. >> the family wants this to be investigated as a hate crime. what are people saying? >> reporter: right, well we have spoken to several people

here at the vigil who have also expressed that sentiment. earlier today there was a funeral in raleigh. the father of two of the victims, who you mentioned before, got up and stage said quote -- this has hate crime written all over it and he called on president obama, federal and state authorities to investigate this as a hate crime, and we're hearing some of the same sentiment here at the vigil as well. >> aliyah frumin thank you for your time tonight. now i want to bring in eugene o'donnell, professor of law and police study at john jay college of criminal justice. thank you for being here eugene. >> thank you, rev. >> if you were on this case, what are you doing today trying to see if hate motivated this? >> well that's really what it is. clearly it's a criminal act, a horrific criminal act. the issue really is going to be could the prove beyond a

reasonable doubt it is hate motivated. so parsing these interactions some of the victims did wear distinctive clothing that identified them their religion. there were some facebook posts. i think this guy is a self-proclaimed atheist, so he's not unaware of religion he's made some elliptical references. is the attorney says they're not there, i believe the folks are still -- but the fbi is monitoring this. the world is watching so i hope they're giving it a full-court press. >> let me press you on this. the suspect posted facebook messages, as you referred to that referenced religion. one that read quote -- people are saying nothing can solve the middle east problem. not mediation, not arms not financial aid. i say there is something. atheism. and his wife spoke about his facebook page. listen. >> he often champions on his

facebook page for the rights of many individuals, um for same-sex marriages, um abortion, uh, race. >> i mean how important could the suspect's social media posts be in this case eugene? >> it could be very important. it's a high threshold, so you're not quite there yet, i think on what's publicly known, but he's not unmindful of religion he's interested in the middle east. these victims were distinctively clothed, which is one of the criteria the fbi uses but it would very much be a full-court press, i hoe search warrants will be executed they'll go to any kind of social media references, neighbors, to see if he's referenced this. obviously whether or not the case is ultimately brought, there is a deterrent effect to having federal agents watching this should anybody likeminded

out there be watching they should by aware that law enforcement will be brought to bear in these situations. a local prosecutor's office reluctant to bring about hate crime prosecutions? >> well here you've got very serious charges, so you have -- you have capital or certainly first-degree murder charges, but the truth is it is a reality if i've been around for these cases, the local people including in a city you go to new york in a neighborhood sometimes when you have an event, people try to downplay it. they try to say everybody gets along, there's no trouble here so i think it's important to have a separate set of eyes. it's good that the federal government is monitoring it. it doesn't mean they're ultimately going to jump in but at least they're monitoring so there won't be a temptation to just pave over the reality. >> you were an assistant district attorney. what's the standard for a hay crime? >> it's a pretty high standard. you have a crime and then you

look to see whether there was a motivation that had to do with one of the protected classes, but it really only allows you to get moore serious. the rub here is that the charges on their own, the state charges, the murder charges, this guy will never see the light of day on those grounds, but there is this deterrent issue. you have to be mindful of not only the impact on going after this guy, but anybody who would target people because of these protected classes, as the law -- as the law sets forth. >> well we are going to be watching this. this is a very important case. a lot of people have a lot of questions. a lot of legitimate concerns. eugene o'donnell, thank you for your time tonight. >> sure. coming up extraordinary words from the fbi director. candidly speaking about racial bias in policing today. much more on that speech ahead. plus justice ruth bader

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time now for conversation nation. joining us tonight, senior editor at mike.com liz plank. legal analyst john burns, and democratic strategist tara dowdell. thank you for being here tonight. first up supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg thinks americans are ready for gay marriage. in a new bur view she says people are more accepting now than ever before. >> i think that as more and more people came out and said this is who i am and the rest of us recognize that they are one of us. i think it would not take a large adjustment. >> want to know what she's talking about? check out this video on facebook

that's gone viral of one alabama resident doing a tongue in cheek report of all the changes he's seen since gay marriage was legalized in his state. >> this pile of brush is still here and there are no homosexuals laying on top of it doing homosexual things. we're not going to be subjected to any kind of plagues of homosexuals falling from the sky. everything is pretty much still the same. >> you know tara a funny way to make a point. the sky is not falling. the issue has moved so quickly in our politics but is the justice right, what she says? >> the notorious rbg is absolutely correct. >> the notorious -- she is

absolutely correct, america is ready and has demonstrated we are ready for gay marriage getting fewer and farther in between these days. >> i totally agree with tara. i think it's time for the supreme court to come out and legalize gay marriage. because we have to guarantee rights for everyone for same-sex culture. >> liz? >> notorious rbg might be 81 years old. >> and hate-riots. >> you should copyright that. >> but she's so in touch. who is powering the future right now. >> absolutely. >> 71% of millennials are for gay marriage. we know love doesn't belong to one religion or one party. it belongs to everyone. so it's nice to see her.

>> and even some of the older people, even in alabama, where there's resistance have openly claimed to move toward a let people be people and have equal rights. >> absolutely. i think when we see more and more prominent people coming forward saying this is who i am i think that's also help to fuel it. i think the lbgt community also pushing legislatively pushing the issue in the various states i mean that made a difference. i'm glad to see they did a state-by-state strategy. sometimes if you can't get it at the supreme court level immediately, state by state is a good way to do it. >> that was smart strategy. >> thanks on that. let me go tonight to tributesouble butte pouring in for bob simon. the legendary correspondent who died last night in a car accident here in new york city. bob is remembered for his humor, courage and grace. reporting some of the most

dangerous war zones in the world. >> this is israel's most advanced position on the southern front. >> and the steps are being wheeled up to a plane bearing the words "the arab republic of egypt." will miracles never cease. >> his head was high and fist clenched. he walled out of a victor like a chief of state. >> four cbs newsmen disappeared. >> this is a story that could have ended another way, but it's had a happy ending. >> a lot of people are spending a lot of money in a hope to get a good look at a shark. >> this pygmy possum couldn't get enough -- >> bridge still honors the grand wizard of the kkk.

>> the irony is here's a man who reported literally from some of the most dangerous zones, dangerous stories in the world, and himself was in danger yet he died a few blocks from his house in a car accident. there was no one who seems to have liked him a lot. it's kind of ironic but i think he was such a pioneer in his field but he just told compelling stories of the human spirit. i think it's befitting that the last interview was ava dueverney. >> tara. >> what an icon.

he was even tortured. that's something we haven't heard much about, but he was tortured. >> himself. >> this is a journalist who showed courage. they don't make many journalists like this anymore. >> they didn't make many line that then. >> right. so losing him is a real loss to journalism. he was there for smmt most historic moments of our time around the world. he covered them honestly with candor, and with sensitivity. >> liz? >> as a young person in journalism, i looked up to him on a lot of things. i think what's great about his work is that it's out there for all of us to watch and see. i'm hoping a lot of people will spend of time spend the weekend watching the incredible reporting. >> he left a high bar and a really great journalist. everyone stay with me. we'll be right back with the democrats' choice for the 2016 convention. and obama video everyone is

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and of course cheesesteaks. the other finalists were columbus ohio and my hometown brooklyn, new york. tara, i have a biased opinion here but what do you think of the choice? >> i'm shocked you have a biased opinion. i think philly was a great choice. both mayor nutter the mayor of philadelphia, as well as the governor of pennsylvania have been very key president obama supporters. remember, the governor campaigned with president obama when many other democrats were running from him. also, point two, pennsylvania is still considered somewhat of a swing state, and republicans still think that they can at some point get pennsylvania and win pennsylvania. >> liz, does it matter where the convention is? >> i think it matters where the best food is. i mean let's be honest. obviously it would have been awesome for it to be new york. >> brooklyn. be specific. >> true.

excuse me. i'm not a true new yorker. i think it will be great. john everybody is asking me on social media, when i ran for president, did i eat cheesesteaks? >> right. >> let me show you how everybody did when they ran. >> okay. >> there's kerry. there's hillary clinton. there's president obama. >> yeah going to town on that. >> there's joe biden, who also ran for president. he's from scranton digging in there. as i said john kerry. the question is did i eat cheesesteak? i ate everything back then. >> me too. >> i mean there's going to be a lot of politicians not running for president, but holding office eating cheesesteak next year. >> philly is a perfect city

too, with all the restaurants, hotels transportation centrally located, so people can really convene and be that community, which is so important with conventions. >> let me go to the final story tonight. the video getting all the buzz online today. president obama's featured in a buzzfeed have i i don't called things everyone does but doesn't talk about, like taking selfies and talking in the mirror. ♪ >> deadline for signing up for health insurance is february-rue. >> not like any other we had-nes-day. >> feb-ru -- february 15th. >> thanks, obama. >> thank obama.

>> mm. >> mr. president? >> can i live? >> yolo, man. the young man in the video was the buzzfeed reporter but liz, some say this video demeans his office but isn't this an effective way to reach young people? >> it's a historic way of reaching young people. i've never seen a president do something like that before. it doesn't even come off as contrived. he's just so relatable in that video. i just want to watch it over and over again. >> john? >> i completely agree. he's a human being. i'm guilty of doing all those things, too. it's good to see him be a human being. >> why did you see to liz first? i'm young, too. i'm also young. >> all right. >> wow. >> no i think that the

president -- first of all health care reform is important. we want to get people to sign up. whatever we have to do to reach people, i think we do it. this video has millions of hits so clearly it's reaching people. so to my young panel tonight -- >> very young panel. thanks for your time tonight. we'll be right back with a history-making speech from the head of the fbi. sthoo monthly statements and online...for free. that's pretty cool of you guys. well we just want to help you stay on top of your credit and avoid surprises. good. i hate surprises. ahhhh ahhhh are you ok? nope. we treat you like you'd treat you. we've already given more than 175 million free fico® credit scores to our cardmembers. apply today at discover.com ♪ at kraft we start with

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comey said he keeps a copy of the order to wiretap dr. king in his office to remind himself every today of the bureau's past mistakes. decades later, comey says we must recognize the long history of injustice in the country, and the problems that still exist today. >> there is a disconnect between police agencies and the citizens they serve, predominantly in communities of color. serious debates are taking place about how law enforcement personnel relate to the communities they serve, about the appropriate use of force. many people in our white majority culture have unconscious racial biases and react differently to a white face than a black fate. in fact we all, white and black, carry various biases around with us. >> that's true and recognizing and overcoming this bias is the challenge we all face. comey talked about his personal

experience growing up as a descendant of irish immigrants. >> i am descended from irish immigrants. a century ago the irish knew well how american society and law enforcement viewed them as drunks roughians and criminals. it lives on in the nickname we still use for the vehicles we use to transport groups of prisoners. it is, after all, called the paddy wagon. >> he says the justice system has brutally unfair to certainly communities, but he also said residents must appreciate that most police officers are good people putting their lives on the line to do the right thing. >> racial bias isn't epidemic in law enforcement any more than academia or the arts. in fact i believe law enforcement overwhelmingly attracts people who want to do

good for a living people who risk their lives, because they want to help other people and they do some of the hardest, most dangerous policing to protect communities of color. >> he's right, and it's important we point that out. the fbi director said we're at a cross roads in how we deal with race and policing and to move forward we have to be willing to talk about these hard truths. yes, i'm sure that he will be attacked by some and many have had the courage to address this have been castigated and demonized. >> i often wonder why there's such a visceral reaction when we raise this issue and maybe the discomfort shows that we have not solved it. and that it is still something that someone will want to run away from. he's right. we have to deal with hard truths and make hard decisions to

change things that can no longer remain the way they are, and maybe of leaders like him stand up and at least bring the conversation up we can get to that change by having the real hard conversations. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton, "hardball" starts right now. \s a war without soldiers? let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening, i'm kris matthews in washington. president obama has got recruitment problems doves on the left don't want foot soldiers in the war against isis. hawks on the right don't want to roll them out. can we go to a enemy that america hates, with politicians refusing