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we're sad. we're also honored by all fellow americans who are supporting us our families our friends, our children who are adored and loved by everybody. >> okay. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday morning. what a week it's been. top of the hour. >> what a week and what sad news. we're going to be talking about that. unfortunately what so many of us woke up to i always get alerts from you know "the washington post" and "new york times." but, god god, what a week for the media world. david carr passing. and, of course, that follows bob simon's passing and the media shake-up at the beginning of the week with jon stewart and brian williams. but david carr was nothing short of being an extraordinary media
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writer. >> and what an extraordinary life he had. he was young, but wow. >> yeah. >> we'll talk about that. >> willie there's -- as "the new york times" we today, what makes his incredible story so much more incredible is where he started, what he over came. >> yes. >> i loved having him on the show. >> he was always a blast. not lucky enough to call him a friend but i can call myself an admirer of his work. you know just a complete no b.s. guy. we throw that around a lot but he took it from no one as he wrote about the media. he wrote this remarkable book. he was a self described junkie and addict for a lot of his life put his kids in harm's way. three beautiful daughters in the book "the night and the gun" but made it through the other side. just everything he wrote. beautiful writer but also tough. >> tough guy. >> i knew him back in
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washington. he was the editor of the alternative newspaper in washington, washington city paper. among other things he covered media so he covered us at the "post." i was the editor of the style section so he constantly covered me. so yeah he was tough. he was tough. >> and from where -- >> a royal pain in the ass but he was great. >> in such a good way. >> he was so good and he was so finance any and he was so -- he was always fair. you know, anyone who was ever covered by him agreed with that. i thought he was -- he was a great guy. i really admire ed what he did. he not only survived drug addiction. he survived cancer. he had hodgkin's disease, he survived that. you know he -- he was an amazing guy. >> he said i now inhabit a life i don't deserve but we all walk this earth feeling like we are
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frauds. the trick is to be grateful and hope that the caper doesn't. end soon. >> i just had that quote cued up to read. unbelievable line he wrote in his book "the night of the gun." >> the commencement address last year where he was talking about being a journalist and he said -- do you have that bite? >> uh-huh. >> go ahead. play the bite about being a journalist. >> if i told you that i was a drug addict who sobered up got custody of his kids got them off welfare, survived cancer and went on to become a columnist for the "new york times," would you like my story? you bet. what if i told you i was a fat thug, sold drugs, beat up women, terrorized children and maybe not so much. >> i work at the "new york times." we have 17 million people that come to our website. we put out 100 videos every month. we have 80 blogs. we are fully engaged in the
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revolution. "the new york times" has dozens of bureaus all over the world and we're going to toss that out which is the proposition, toss that out, and come back and see what facebook turns up. i don't think so. >> journalism students last year. he said what we get to do is amazing. go out talk to people more interesting than us come back write it down. he said it doesn't pay off your car loans as quickly as you like but it sure beats working. >> and that's where he died in his news room last night. so we have lots of other news to cover. the fbi is now investigating the shooting deaths of three young muslim americans in chap pill hill north carolina, to determine whether any federal laws were broken. left unsaid is that the alleged shooting by craig hicks may be prosecuted as a hate crime, though so far local law enforcement is investigating the deaths as a parking space dispute. yesterday on ronan farrow daily
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the slain girl's father called on the president to seek justice done. >> my son-in-law has been living in that apartment for a year and a half. he was a second year dentistry student at unc chapel hill and he did not complain all the time even though the murderer can say that it was a parking dispute, whatever he was picking on he came to that apartment with his gun two or three times before the murder on different occasions. my daughter yusor complained and she told us she felt that man hated them for the way they looks and the muslim garb they wore. she felt the hate has risen after she moved into the apartment. and her friends came to visit and most of them were our muslim attire. i will call on the chapel hill police, unc, and president obama, churches mosques, synagogue, and the american
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nation. if this is not a hate crime, what is a hate crime? >> yeah. yesterday funeral services had to be moved to a larng athletic field after more than 5,000 people showed up to mourn deah bear barakat. they published a recent interview for a nationwide project called "story core" where she discusses culture in america. >> growing up in america, husband, such a blessing and you know although in some ways i do stand out, such as what i wear on my head the head covering, there are still so many ways that i feel so many embedded in the fabric that is our culture and that's the beautiful thing here is that it doesn't matter where you come from there's so many different people from so many different places of yirchtdifferent backgrounds and religions but here we're all one.
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>> willie, what an incredible tragedy. i just -- three young people gunned down. i could say i -- i -- i wish the chapel hill place hadn't moved so quickly to say hey, this was a parking dispute. nothing to see here. move along. >> yeah. >> i mean just when you have three muslims gunned down by this guy. >> why would they do that? is there a fear that -- >> they are going to look into that. you just heard how incredibly smart she is how thoughtful she was. you saw how beautiful she is in those photographing. and my all account it is you read this guy who isle ledged to have committed these three
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murders was a long-time problem in this apartment complex. they had had a meeting about him to talk about what to do. he was the kind of guy who called the cops if you drove in to the parking lot with your music on too loud. he would go knock on doors. he sort of was a self-appointed according to the people who lived there, policeman. >> who does that sound like? does it sound like anybody here? >> i said it yesterday. sounds like somebody else. >> makes me cringe. >> that was in the news a year or two ago. >> in florida. >> yeah. speaking of that mika the fbi -- >> the fbi director has offered a blunt assessment on the strained relationship between law enforcement and the communities they serve. in a speech thursday james comey said the country was at a cross roads after cases like the deaths of eric garner and michael brown. he noted his own irish heritage reflecting on stereotypes of being drunks rough i don't knows and criminals. as "the new york times" notes he went farther than the president or attorney general, calling for
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straightforward dialogue on the ownership, on the part of officers of the law. >> all of us in law enforcement must be honest enough to acknowledge that much of our history is not pretty. at many points in american history law enforcement enforced the status quo, a status quo that was often brutally unfair to favored groups. most research points to the wide spread existence of unconscious bias. many people in our white majority culture have unconscious racial biases and react differently to a white face than a black face. in fact, we all, white and black, carry various biases around with us. i am reminded of the song from the broadway hit "avenue q," everybody is a bit racist. part of it goes like this. look around and you will find no one's really colorblind.. maybe it's a fact we all should face everyone makes judgments
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based on race. you should be grateful i did not try to sing that. >> gene, obviously the relationship between communities and police has been top of mind over the last year with foerg son and eric garner and tamir rice. we could go down the list. nice to hear this coming from the new head of the fbi? >> i think it's great to hear this from the new head of the fbi. who, frankly, can go there in a way that. even the attorney general and the president can't because they're african-americans. >> right. >> you know, and i mean let's face it that's just the fact. and what he was saying was just the state of the academic research on subconscious racism and there's study after study after study that demonstrates this effect and i think it's fascinating that the fbi director you know would actually bring that up and bring
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it to the floor and say, this is really something we need to talk about because there's just -- it's just kind of an established fact that this affects the way we behave and we need to take this into account, especially when we're talking about the way police officers who have the authority to use deadly force behave in situations. we're going to go overseas now where the latest move by isis is putting hundreds of u.s. marines, potentially at risk. officials say the militants have taken control of about 90% of al baghdadi in western iraq 50 miles from ramadi and anbar province. near an air base where 300 u.s. marines are training iraqi forces. the pentagon says the base has not been attacked though. this comes amid a new nbc news/marrist poll shows the majority of americans want their representatives to approve president obama's request to yoo us military force against isis. that is despite a near split on
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whether or not americans have confidence in his strategy to defeat islamic state militants. 40% of americans say they now support a limited number of u.s. grouped troops and another 26% would back a large number of ground forces. and more americans believe president obama will be remembered for starting a new war rather than ending one. >> well, you know we never get what we want. we expect george w. bush did not expect to be a war-time president and barack obama expected to end all wars and he's leaving with a middle east more chaotic than it was when it started. i think the stunning number there, willie is after 12 13 years of war and occupation. 66% of americans in this poll this nbc news/marist poll last night support ground troops. >> i was shocked. >> 66% support ground troops.
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>> conventional wisdom is the american public has no appetite for another ground war. that poll suggests otherwise. people i talk to don't want to go back in but apparently 66% -- at least even if it's limited, 40% say limited. >> the thing is this isn't, gene, like -- this isn't like hey, i hang out in manhattan and -- because that's not where i ask people these questions. i mean -- >> exactly. >> everywhere i go when i talk to conservative group, when i talk to republican groups when i talk to liberal groups. there is never anybody i ever speak to in the most right wing groups the most moderate group, the most left wing groups will go hell yeah let's go back to war. >> i have the same experience. >> everybody says let them take care of it. >> i have -- >> not our business. >> i have the same experience you have. basically what people tell me is you know there are competent military forces over there. let the saudis take care of it
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let the turks take care of it. why do we have to take care of it. that's what people tell me. >> there are -- there are conservative writers and conservative intellectuals who that will explain why we have to be there. there are foreign policy gurus who will explain why we have to do that. have we ever heard people -- i mean you -- these numbers are stunning to me. every where we go people say, we need to rebuild our country. >> well, it's very easy to say but that's exactly the position this president is in and every president will be where nobody else can do it. we lead on everything. that's something the president will say. do you think we ought to dial back? >> yeah, i do. >> really? >> i do. we've got a budget right now -- hold it a second. >> wait a minute a. >> adensefense budget of 530, 40 billion dollars a year. listen, i believe there are times the united states has to go in state what they want to do. we talked about it yesterday. >> no boots on the ground and
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absolutely no -- >> i'm talking the powell doctrine where we say, this is why we're going to send boots on the ground. this is the pressing american interest and this is a trigger of what we have to do before we bring our troops back home. and i don't see that right now. until i see that, i'm not going to support any action. you sound surprised, mika. >> no i just think it's very easy to take either position but it's an i'm upon decision. >> you said it every president faces, but guess what this is what the next president faces, too, because as i read president obama's request for the authorization for the use of military force one of the things it does is kick the ball kick the can down the road. in a meaningful way. >> right. >> yeah. >> it wants to expire in three years. it wants to essentially -- >> it's not specific at all. it's general. >> manage it for a few years,
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but the situation clearly, he anticipates, is going to be there. the islamic state is going to be there. the basic problem is going to be there for the successor. so the successor is going to have the same basic decision to make. >> i said it for some time mika what bothers me is the united states always leads wits chin. we're always the first out there. >> i'm with you. i'm frustrated by it. >> the president is upset because republican -- because of sequestration and wants $520 billion. republicans, they want more for the pentagon. where is japan? where is germany? where are all these other countries? let them contribute their fair share to it before we go rushing in to iraq again. i hate to bring up the tv show about this because this is so serious, but this season of "homeland" after a horrible season last year this season of
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"homeland," pretty much encapsulates american foreign policy over the past 12 years. we do what we think is right. we put it all on the line. there are people that are tireless and they sacrifice, and we end up making it worse than when we first started. and that's what's happened over the past 12 13 years. one of the things that surprised me, i supported the first iraq war. 70% of americans supported the first iraq war. so now i'm seeing 66% -- we're going back into iraq with troops on the ground. i'm not a passivist. i want to kill them all. i want to capture their leaders and i want to come home. but we don't have any better of a plan now, willie than we did in 2003. >> that's why i was surprised by that other poll number that 50% of americans support the president's plan. i think it was 44% object. 94% of people responding understood what the plan is. it's a very general idea. or 54/32, i should say.
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i don't know what the plan is exactly. i know the loose outlines of it but i don't know how you could have such a strong opinion ability something that doesn't quite exist. >> exactly. and, you know, in 2003 there was at least the powell doctrine right, as a plan. overwhelming force. you go in you just take the place. right? as you said the plan now is -- is -- >> three years long. that's all i know. >> -- is -- don't know. >> let's move on to what's going on right now in ukraine. we've got a deal supposedly, being worked out. >> supposedly. the deal to end the on going bloodshed in ukraine is not off to a good start. ukrainian officials say eight servicemen have been killed in fighting with pro-russian rebels in eastern ukraine. more than 30 other troops were injured in the last day. the cease-fire is scheduled to begin on sunday after france and yerm any help negotiate the truce with ukraine and russia but there are doubts the peace agreement will hold up. british prime minister david
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calm rorn hadmeron had this warning for russian president vladimir putin. >> we sent a very clear message, unless russian behavior changed and putin's behavior changed then sanctions should stay in place. that's very much the message coming out of this canceled meeting. what really matters now is that on the ground actual things happen rather than just words being said. that means heavy weapons need to be removed, it means a proper cease-fire has to be put in place, it means that people actually have to do the things that they've signed up to do. >> bring in somebody who knows an awful lot about this conflict. senior fellow and international security, the atlanta council, ian brzezinski. you've lived in ukraine for several years and know about this conflict. for all you know about this ongoing conflict how likely is this peace agreement to bring any lasting peace to this region? >> good morning, joe. good morning, mika. i'm very pessimistic about this agreement. first off russia putin has
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demonstrated little intent to bring in invasion of his to an end. he continues to be fighting. escalating the fighting in ukraine. second, he's re-enforcing his presence there with additional troops and equipment. he continues to lie about his presence. the terms of the agreement are troubling, particularly concerning ukraine's control of its own border. russia now controls over several hundred miles of ukrainian border. that allows it to continue to flow in troops and equipment into donetsk to consolidate his hold in that region. >> what needs to be done to increase the prospects of success for this? >> well that kind of touch's an third thing i think is lacking. there's no real demonstration of western resolve to enforce this agreement. you know cameron, prime minister cameron was talking about continuing sanctions. we should be talking about getting ready to impose much more severe economic sanctions in there's any violation of this agreement. second putin has successfully
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used this agreement to cause the obama administration to take off the table its consideration of arming ukraine. as long as ukraine doesn't have weapons it's going to be vulnerable to russia. so russia has really no incentive otherwise to just consolidate position to this agreement and position itself to push further into ukraine later on. there's going to have to be a real change in the western 57 approach to this conflict demonstration of stronger resolve and commitment on sanctions and arming the ukrainians. >> ian, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," ambassador chris hill and senator chris murphy join us. plus, what on earth is going on in oregon? what on earth is going on in oregon? >> what's up with this dude? >> we're going the dig into the extremely bizarre behavior of that state's governor. it's disturbing. also he may not be -- >> oh, no he didn't. no he didn't. >> -- eating cheerios from a bathtub but president obama gives going viral another shot. let's go to bill karins now with a check on the forecast.
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bill? >> okay. here's a stat for you. boston has never had two blizzards in one winter before. and they're staring at one right in the face on sunday two weeks after the big one. here's how it's breaking down. i'm really getting this forecast just getting worse by the minute for the boston area and all of eastern mass. blizzard watches from down east maine through cape cod. localized along the coast. we could see another 6 to 12 inches. i don't think that's the real story. they've got to find somewhere to put the snow. the blowing and drifting of the snow is going to be incredible. we're going to watch for the possibility of winds gusting up to 60 miles per hour if this -- this storm is going to be so strong in the gulf of maine it almost has the pressure of an equivalent of a category 2 hurricane. so these ends with could do a lot more damage with this blizzard than it did with the one two weeks ago. and we possibly could be dealing with more power outaging also. that's the story. of course, the cold is along with it. near record-breaking windchill values a i cross the northeast this morning. be careful out there.
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wow, you know what? that is -- >> time now to look at the morning papers. the military times, the u.s. senate overwhelmingly confirmed to ashton carter is the next secretary of defense. the former number two at the pentagon was approved in a rare bipartisan vote of 93-5. carter says defeating isis will be his number one priority and he edge mr.ed to be candid when advising the president. carter will become the president's fourth defense secretary when he is sworn in next week. "wall street journal," new york city officials are waking up disappointed this morning after arrival in sports and now politics was selected to hold the 2016 democratic national convention instead of brooklyn. organizers plan to hold the dnc
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at the wells fargo center in philadelphia. that's home to the nba sixers nhl flyers. new york city organizers felt they put together a strong bid for a brooklyn convention. mayor bill de blasio in new york says he was, quote not happy at the outcome. in the end security concerns and logistical difficultfies related to holding an event in a densely residented may neighbor had was too much to overcome and went to philly. >> philly is a great place or convention. republicans had it there in 2000. i was surprised how great it was. let's go to "usa today." new study suggests that the southwest and the great plains will face a so-called megadrought by 2050 which will be far worse than california's current situation. cornell scientists say the odds of the megadrought in these regions are 80% if climate change continues at the same pace. a megadrought occurs when intense dry conditions persist for ten plus years. looking a t the press of
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atlantic city and new jersey a judge here in jersey has ordered 14 gamblers to return $1.5 million in card game winnings to atlantic city casino after the casino discovered the cards were never shuffled. golden nugget casino bought the cards from a manufactures who was supposed to preshuffle them but never did. the error caused a pattern to emerge during the game that caused the player a big advantage. he's please wtd the ruling and believes it was the right decision. how is that the gambler's fault? that's your fault, man. that's my money. you're not getting it back. let's go to buzzfeed. president obama team up with buzzfeed for a video reminding americans they have until sunday to sip up for coverage on elt acare.gov. the video features the president doing things many everyday american s do including taking selfie selfies, attempting to pronounce february and perfecting his air jump shot. >> deadline for signing up for
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health insurance is february -- february -- february 15th. february 15th. in many cases you can get health insurance for less than $100 a month. >> so you know he had that between two ferns. it actually worked really really well. that one might work. >> wicked sense of humor. the video has racked up more than 740,000 views. >> already. >> millions more on buzzfeed's facebook. >> it's getting the job done. >> it's getting the job done. a little uncomfortable? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> you're uncomfortable with that. >> a little bit. but it's okay. i'm just saying. still ahead, white house press secretary josh earnest joins us live. we'll ask him about that. and roland martin is here today for must read opinion pages.
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have to have your hurricane straps because your hat will blow away. >> look at that. >> you do it that way. >> my gosh. >> hats how you do it. >> mark mckennan also comes in in costume. mine has a purpose. >> mine too. >> to stay warm. >> barbra streisand has started the women's heart at lie answer. there's a website. fight the lady killer. and the scarf is sold by theodore kellum giving the proceeds from women's heart alliance. so we are taking part in the m campaign. all right. it is time for must read opinion panls. what have you picked out today? >> charles crowdhammer. >> they're going the love this i'm sure. >> all righty. he writes this in the "washington post." crew ciders and appeasers. russia pushes deep into yearn ukraine, the islamic state burns to death a jordanian pilot.
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iran extends its hegemony over four arab capitals and america watches obama calls the policy strategic patience. this passivety is more than just a reaction to the perceived overreach of the bush years or a fear of failure or bough boeing at the domestic left. it is above all rooted in obama's deep belief that we lack the moral authority to engage to pro vekt i.e. to lead. if during the very week islamic supremacists achieve peak bar barrism with the i'm lags of a helpless prisoner. you cannot take them on without apologizer for sins committed a thousand years ago, you have prepared the ground for a strategic paralysis. look. this is the argument we had in the first block of the show. you agree with him, don't you? to an extent. >> with charles krauthhammer? >> yes. >> i agree with charles on most things. i think charles would be more
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willing to put troops in now than i would because we don't have a clearly defined role. so i think i may actually -- go ahead, gene. >> i spent some time with this column this morning, actually reesing charles' column. it's a kitchen sink column. i think you would actually not agree with the entire column because it lumps together the middle east and ukraine and everything else. >> i do agree that this president is too passive, overcorrects because of -- >> i've heard you say that. >> i'm just saying as it pertains to putting troops on the ground right now i'm not there yet. >> exactly. exactly. and i'm not there yet. i think, you know we think a lot of people are not there yet although the polls may disagree with us. but the point of it seems to be let's go back to the, you know let's send troops everywhere. let's send arms everywhere. let's take the traditional
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american role of trying to run the world the way we did -- >> part of me -- >> -- during the cold war. >> 2003 we are going after one guy. nations state. that's the way we thought. we send troops in now we're dealing with iran, we're dealing with sadr, we're dealing with the shia militias we're dealing with a lot of different things. and it's going to be hard to tell who we're shooting at and who is shooting at us. >> i'll speak for most people who don't read charles and that is look you have no idea who you're targeting, where you're going, no end, and so do you want to go down this long paths again? i heard discussion earlier. one thing that did not jump out is very simple. the video plays a role in how we respond. when you have these videos and you have these people actually seeing someone beheaded oh, my goodness, we have to deal with them. but we got to go beyond just the troops themselves.
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you talking about the troops and their husbands and wives and their family and their kids. the impact. we spent more than a trillion dollars. we still have more than 100,000 providing in lifetime health care because of all of this. so this notion of troops on the ground goes far beyond just this one issue. this deals with economic issue, a fiscal issue, our economy is recovering. do we want to go back spending billions of dollars sending troops back out into the field. >> okay. i completely agree. there's no nobody who agrees oh w. you more that we don't want to spread ourselves thin and lose more blood and treasure for no reason. but if you look at this as a diagnosis diagnosis, is it -- are we in agreement that this is a cancer that can spread across the middle east as a recruiting tool and percolate into something massive? >> this is a cancer but it is a cancer that can be cut out bit by bit, but we're going to have to do some things diplomatically that the president would not be comfortable doing. number one -- >> i thought you were against bit by bit. >> if you can let me finish.
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i'm against having americans shot in the head. i'm against american taxpayers wasting another trillion dollars. so let me explain what i mean. the president, the first thing he has to do is pick up the phone and tell turkey, you guys are either in all the way or we're going to start arming the kurds. and we're going to call for a recognition of a kurdish state. and that takes away maybe a third of your problem. and then you're going to -- you're going to have to take it bit by pit. talk to the saudis hey, guys you're fog to have to step up in western iraq and you're going to have to do your job. i mean you have to do that instead of just saying we're going to send troops in. here's what i believe, mika, as far as the threat goes. roland brought up a great point. you talk about the videos. people react so much to these videos. i'm going to say something that you all disagree with. i think iran getting a nuclear weapon is about 1,000 times more dangerous and poses a thousand times greater threat than what's
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happening with isis because of what it's going to do not only with israel but every arab state in the region. it starts an arms race in the middle sooes. >> this might be morbid but let's just cut to the chase. for the jordanians to have one of their own killed by isis that's forced them to step up. the reality is it actually might take other countries literally losing one of their own for them to say, you know what, we're going to get in the game because that was a game changer for them. that's what it was. so other country s do have to step up because somebody in america sitting here going, okay, i get it. i'm hearing about national interests but really how does this impact my life, what i'm trying to do with my kids, trying to go to college and trying to get a job. that's a fundamental issue when we say in this country we can't pay for this but we're going to find billions to pay for this potential effort. >> stay with us. roland, stay with us. up next, the stars are coming out this weekend to celebrate 40
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on tuesday the governor recalled his secretary of state who was in washington to tell her he was resigning and that she would replace him on the state's succession plan. but when she returned on wednesday he informed her he was actually going to say. >> the exact quote was, i'm re-signing. come back. she comes back and he looks and goes, why did you leave washington? no! >> you told me. >> why did you leave washington? >> that's a long flight. >> exactly. it's not like she drove to baltimore. >> the state's tom democrats say they were led to believe he would step down and kitzhaber told aides he was going to resign but changed his mind while brown was returning to oregon. joining us now staff writer at "the washington post"," reed wilson. >> this boy ain't right. what's up out there? >> you know it's funny this is happening in oregon which has
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fewer public corruption convictions and case than just about any other state in the country. but what's happened here is that the first lady has been involved in private business for a very long time. but she's a public policy consultant. she's been consulting on state business from the hall, the governor's mansion. hosting meetings at the governor governor's mansion both with clients and state officials, mix the two and not necessarily reporting all of her income on irs forms. >> what? >> this is a -- yeah. this is has been going on for four months. >> there are reports, willie that the governor's staff is trying to purge thousands of e-mails as well. it's a real mess. >> it is. reid i don't know how he survives this. is there a way out of it? two recall petitions. every newspaper in the state is calling for his resignation. the attorney general in oregon opening a criminal investigation, announced on
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monday, i think. is there any way he survives? >> add in an fbi investigation, too, which has been going on for more than a month now. >> is that bad? >> he's lost the support of the state democrats. lost the support of the media. he's always had a really prickly relationship with other members of the political class down there. and, hey, the moment that he needed their support, they all abandoned him. you've seen the state treasurer call for his resignation, the secretary of state call for his resignation. you mentioned that statement that was one of the most aggress aggressive and strange shocking statements i've seen in politics. >> he should call maureen and bob. >> reid wilson thank you so much. we really appreciate you coming on explaining this. fbi investigation against him. he's got a state probe against him. he's got the democrats against him. i mean -- >> his lawyer is doing this here, i'm about to make money. i better bet paid for a long
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time. >> at least he still has his side burn willie. >> no i think it's -- all right. coming up today president obama is taking on the issue of cyber security. so the question is why won't heads of the biggest internet companies be there? >> i thought he got stiffed by them all. >> we'll talk about it. plus one of the best -- >> oh, many i lord. >> -- "family feuds" ever. >> oh, my lord. >> we revive news you can't use. >> one of those families.
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let's play "the feud." >> let's do it. let's do it! >> steve harvey's "feud" is always a good time because steve harvey is there. was it got a little extra fun yesterday, day before. just incredible moment. not much else we can say. just watch. >> point values have doubled. tom seven answers on the board. name something a doctor might pull out of a person. >> darcy? >> a gerbil. i didn't say that. i didn't say that.
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i heard about something like that once. >> you said it. you said it. just right out like that. >> that's awesome. >> the first thing you come up with, bam, gerbil. just like that. first answer. oh, no. >> oh, my god. >> bam, gerbil. >> that answer was not on the board. >> i need some digital undergrow und. >> interesting family. isn't it? >> what makes it even better is the opponent is laughing hysterically in her face. >> i just won wonder if they have a rider on their health care plan for that. what insurance company provides that rider. >> watch your back. >> i like news you can't use. keep going. more more.
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>> vice president joe biden arrives today. >> joe, joe, joe, joe. >> we love joe. >> he was in iowa giving a shoutout to an old buddy on his, 94-year-old former congressman. this was a nice moment. >> and neil smith, an old buddy. are you here neil? neil, i miss you, man. i miss you. >> is there a theme here? is there a theme here? i'm sorry. >> what's going on here? >> getting his permission first, a butt buddy. you got to get a big 10-4 for somebody before you get on the micro microphone and call him a butt buddy. >> if you could cut -- whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. >> no can do. i can't go for that. >> okay. mika still ahead, ambassador -- white house press secretary josh earnest. >> hold on. hold on.
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it's not going to turn you into a person who is worried about what kind of car they will drive. that's the way it should be. it beats working. >> it beats working. >> it does beats working. david carr of course,ry markable writer. media krit tickcritic. acclaimed journalist. >> died late yesterday evening. >> champion of media, "new york times" front page. we loved having him on. not enough. he wasn't on enough but loved having him on. jeremy, just great writer. a gifted, gifted man. >> he was a quintessential 21st century newsman. david was more than a colleague. he was a friend of mine. i think he was both wonderfully crusty about print and at the same time got social media and new media better than anybody. so he embodied these two words that were trying to uneasily to coexist. and he got it. >> within that talent as we were
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discussing last hour his life the span of his life, the ups and the downs and the extremes couldn't have added such depth to everything that he brought to the table. it's been an incredible week in the media world. >> unfortunately -- >> brian williams jon stuart bob simon. >> bob simon. >> cole. >> now david carr. all right. let's go overseas mika for some news. >> well, we'll start with the latest move by isis putting hundreds of u.s. marines potentially at risk. officials say iraqi security forces have regained control of various baghdadi and western iraq. the town is about 50 miles from ram mahdi and anbar province. it's also near an air base where more than 300 u.s. marines are training iraqi forces. the pentagon says the base has not been attacked though. this comes amid a new nbc
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news/marist poll which shows the majority of americans want their representative to approve president obama's request to use military force against isis. that is despite a near split on whether or not americans have confidence in his strategy to defeat islamic state militants. 40% of americans say they now support a limited number of u.s. ground troops and another 26% would back a large number of ground forces. and more americans believe president obama will be remembered for starting a new war rather than ending one. >> ian, are you surprised more than 66% of americans support troops on the ground? >> well, i guess i would say given it's been going on for a while now and we've seen not just that isis is still pretty vibrant on the ground in iraq and syria but also the number of attacks that have both been ordered and inspired by them americans remember 9/11. we've gone through it. we're not just going to sit idly
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by. it makes sense that troops are the ground are needed to destroy isis. you would rather it be taken from countries much more on the front lines. the fact is i remember "the new york times" a few months ago calling the united arab emirates little sparta because they were the most stout water american ally. the ones with the women and the fighter jets. they were doing all the bombing. last two months they stopped. they felt like the united states -- in the press they're saying it's because we didn't have the capacity to pick up their pilots. that wasn't the issue at all. they just felt like we didn't have a strategy to win, so they weren't going to put their own people at risk. >> we hear the news this morning. and we really are playing rack a mole. there is no strategy. knock them down here. they pop up over there. there really is no strategy and, jeremy you go to congress and there's no clear vision from leaders of either party, what
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they want to do here. >> i think it's going to be very difficult for congress to pass any sort of forced authorization. the president has said all along he doesn't need this. i think that kind of makes this more difficult from the outset is that he said all along, i don't need you guys to do this. but there are so many different lawmakers who oppose this for so many different reasons that i think it's hard to kind of find a middle ground type of resolution that people could vote for. >> part of this conversation applies to the next story. the deal days before a cease-fire is scheduled to start, ukrainian officials say eight servicemen have been killed in fighting with pro-russian rebels in eastern ukraine. more than 30 other troops were also injured in the last day. the cease-fire begins sunday after france and germany helped negotiate the truce with ukraine and russia. but there are doubts if the peace agreement will hold up at all. british prime minister david cameron had this warning for russian president vladimir
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putin. >> we said the very clear message is that unless behavior changed and putin's behavior changed sanctions should stay in place. that's the message coming out of this canceled meeting. what really matters now is that on the ground actual things happen rather han just words being said. that means heavy weapons need to be removed. it means a proper cease-fire has to be put in place. it means that people actually have to do the things that they've signed up to do. >> ian, we had a guest on yesterday that said the most dangerous hours in a conflict are the hours leading up to a cease-fire that's that's when everybody gets the last round of killing in. that appears to be the case here. >> less so because nobody believes the cease-fire is going to hold for any period of time. >> no chance. >> virtually no chance. >> why is that? >> well, because first of all, one of the terms of the cease-fire is that all foreign nighters and foreign arms have to be removed. russians signed it but they continue to say that they have no arms or fighters in ukraine. so it's a bit of a -- can you
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know russians are saying that they are actually not a party to the agreement. signing as an observer but it's only the rebels on the ground that are fighting. >> what's putin's long play here? watts he doing? here's a guy being destroyed at home economically by low oil prices. what's his long game? >> he's being destroyed by oil prices. he's not being destroyed my sanctions. sanctions have helped to bolster his popularity. his long game is to assert control over a piece of ukraine not oriented towards kiev. he believes he's accomplished that on the ground. and squeeze the rest of the ukrainians economically. the bigger deal this week was not is cease-fire. the bigger deal was $40 billion over four years committed by the international community to ukraine because this is basically a land for money deal. ukrainians are giving upland. reality. taking money. the money they're taking means that whatever the rump ukraine is whatever the piece that
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russia doesn't have is majority of ukraine, they have a better shot now of economically making it. they hate moscow. oriented towards the west. in five years time you're going stro a much closer ally with most of ukraine. >> how do we know though gene he doesn't go to kiev? >> that's my question is where does that new borderline get drawn? is that the question as to where the new eastern border of ukraine gets drawn between the -- between the western oriented ukraine and the eastern oriented ukraine? >> it is. the borderlines have been shifting. there have been offensives recently by the locals and the russians on the ground. one of the reasons why many americans and most in congress have said they would like to provide weapons for the ukrainians to defend themselves, and almost none of the yup europeans do is 23409 because ukraine can beat the russians but they want to ensure that that land is as small as possible. let's be clear, the vast majority of ukraine is not only
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ethnic ukrainian but speaks ukrainian and hates russia. it would be hard for russia to hold kiev without massive damage. we're talking about what piece of east ukraine they hold. >> we've been talking a lot as we talk about isis we talk about boots on the ground mika. talking a lot about the u.s. budget defense budget. according to an analysis by "the washington post," at $581 billion, $581 billion, let me say that again, we now spend 581 $581 billion on the pentagon on national defense. we spend four times as much as china who is our closest rival. data shows america's budget is roughly the same as its 14th closest rivals put together. if you look at -- and listen armed services committee for four terms. i come from, you know the
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redneck riviera. we are all jacksonians. we believe you go out, you kill the bad guys you come home. so i am not -- i am not a dove by any stretch of the imagination. but, mika, you look at the opportunities lost over the past 12 years. the money burned over the past 12 years by this constant war-making machine that we have. you look at how we took a bad situation and made it so worse. and then you look at what china has been doing. the investments they have been making. you look at what germany's able to do because we carry them on our shoulders militarily. you look at what a japan is doing because we guarantee their security. this is insanity. we can't continue spending money this way over the next dozen years. we can't. and you look at the weapons systems that we don't need, you look at the military bases that we don't need you look at the fact that we do give -- we are
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the world's 911. and how long can it last? this is not a republican or a democratic issue. i got no problem with america going out and going to war, following the powell doctrine being focused, killing enemies, coming home. but this is insanity. $581 billion, that's after sequestration. they're all biditching on both sides of pennsylvania avenue that they can't spend more money on the defense budget. >> i don't disagree. >> square that with the isis question at the beginning. you know there are some things the united states has to do because no one else will. that doesn't mean that the u.s. has to say yes to everything. when you look around the world there's been no pivot. a pifvot doesn't imply you shift weight. pivot implies you move.
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we haven't moved one foot. >> president obama has made this point. he has tried at various times in his presidency to say, no you guys step up and you guys do it and he gets hammered. he gets killed when he tries to do that. >> you guys look for this. i'm going the look for a tweet that i did earlier this week. it was a quote of his. jeremy -- i'm sorry. >> i want to ask ian a question. >> okay. >> given the context of this conversation, providing arms to ukraine. do you think the president should do that and what happens if we don't? >> i think we should not. >> okay. >> i think the reason we should not is because the level of arms that we would provide will not actually help them with the russians. it will actually allow putin to do one thing he hasn't been able to do. >> putin basically? >> no, the proxy war i think is not a big deal. it's clear we're not going to fight on the ground. putin doesn't want to take casualties in ukraine. he has to bring the bodies back in the dead of night. he doesn't admit to it. if he is able to say, look, the
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americans are providing weapons to ukraine, that takes that one piece of political pressure off of him. we're thot going to actually help these guys. >> here's the president's quote. america's interests aren't served by an endless war or by remaining unperpetual war footing. then says, the president asking for $538 billion by the pentagon and complaining to the republicans that they are squeezing him by sequestration. so he can't get all the money he needs to defend america. >> part of the issue and i think part of the recognition a lot of lawmakers are having right now is the debate whether or not to give the president this authorization is that this is not a military problem. it will not be solved with a military solution. it's a political problem. you can put all the troops that you want into iraq but ultimately they need a government. the syrians need a government. and i think one of the interesting things that will
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help shape the contours of this debate is all of the veterans of the iraq and afghanistan wars who are now in congress and who have seen firsthand as they told me over and over again, the mismanagement and that's going to be -- that's something different than we haven't seen. these people who you know they're not just veterans and they don't have -- they have experience in war, sure but they've seen this war and they've seen how it's been mismanaged. >> let's bring in chuck todd right now, host of "meet the press." we showed absolutely fascinating poll, 66% of americans, i believe, support troops on the ground in one way or the other. large number 26%, limited number 40%. it's pretty -- pretty clear how quickly americans react to video images of pilots being burned alive or americans being beheaded. gene and i were just saying off
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camera. they say that now and we get into war and three months later they say, what are we doing there? >> they have been convinced of the threat right now. and yet the more you dig into this you just also showed they're convinced, ready to do this. they don't have a lot of confidence that president obama has a strategy. and they also say he's going to be remembered more people say he's going to be remembered for starting a war than ending a war. i'm sure that's not something the president will enjoy having on his legacy monitor. but look, the trickiest thing about this and i've talked to a bunch of senators this week about it and that is the president's got to present a plan for, okay how are you going to defeat isis and syria and when you do then what happens in syria? because every time we've gotten rid of one of these, you sort of clear a part of, you know you clear out al qaeda somewhere or you clear out, you know one of these sunni radicals.
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guess what, somebody fills the gap and it's a new name. this time it's isis. >> yesterday the president obviously giving a moving speech talking about the vet suicide prevention bill and he said something that struck me when he talked about afghanistan as a war that we have ended. the front page of a new york times today. >> not quite. >> the front page says "the united states is escalating its secretive war in afghanistan." and you have -- i remember tom talking about this five or six years ago. we can now look at this so let's see, how long ago, september 11th, 2001 we're in '15 now. that's 14 years ago, let's say 13 years ago. there are people that are fighting over in afghanistan now that were waiting at a bus stop for kindergarten when this all began, when the planes went into a tower.
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this is a generational war. the president says one day we finish the war, the next day we read front page of the times that we're escalating our war there. >> joe, apparently we're afghanistan's security force. we're iraq's security fostrce. i don't see how we don't become syria's security force once -- once we are successfully militarily against isis and you have to assume given our military we're probably going to be successful. but we're going to have to be the security force in syria. we weren't the security force in libya and look what happened. we haven't been the security force in yemen, look what happened. i mean, this is the problem. if we're not involved you see what happens. if we do get involved we can never get out. >> exactly. >> mika let's add two other copperies i've been aim for some time. chuck, right. we're the security force in all of these countries in the middle east and we're the security force for japan. >> and europe. >> and we're the security force for germany and we're the security force for korea and
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we're the security force for europe. and everybody in europe is still on a vacation from history. i'm sorry. because we are the ones that have to send our sons and daughters to die, chuck, and at some point conservative republicans and liberal democrats are going to say enough. >> joe i guess that's my question. you know that's my -- you're asking the same question i'm thinking about asking. i want to ask every one of these members of congress. why do we fight -- get ready to fight a fight in an area if the folks we're trying to protect don't want to fight it? think about what's going on in europe. germany and france don't want to deal with this. obviously, they are afraid of -- it seems like they don't want to have a confront trace tags with putin. on one hand i understand but when putin keeps encroaching they're going to come back and ask for help. if the -- if the moderate sunni nations aren't going to unite
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and do this on their own, they rhetorically say it and i think jordan's doing everything they can. i think uae is doing everything they can. they rhetorically are there but if united states isn't there they can't do it. >> we are facing a debt crisis of monumental proportions over the next 20 years. the deficit has gone down but economists have been saying for a decade the boomers are really starting. i always bring this up in ferms of entitlement. you've got to bring this in up in terms of defense, too. and chuck is exactly right. it seems like the we get involved, it's our sons and daughters who die and we're the ones who foot the bill. if we don't get involved it's a disaster. we have to move beyond this construct. this post world war ii construct, this post cold war construct that is bankrupting us and killing our children. >> you can see the beginnings of it because increasingly the
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tools of 21st century power for the united states are in a sense less directly costly and more unilateral. so talk about drones you talk about surveillance you talk about sanctions and the weaponization of finance. but still with all of these conflicts and wars you're talking about, the u.s. approach is risk averse but we have to do something. and bleeding from ten different areas while the europeans of we oh the polish government is there. but that's because they have no choice. every one else in europe is saying we want no part of this. america's key allies have not been told in no uncertain terms if you don't do it we're pulling back. >> you can't afford to do defense the old way and new way. aircraft carriers and the divisions in korea and everything and new way with the drones and the small mobilized -- mobile units and everything. you can't do it all. >> nobody around here is talking -- i think we're talking about fortress america.
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we're not talking about fortress america. we're talking about a focused approach where we pick our battles. we have not done that. it is bleeding us dry literally and figuratively. >> we will lose the ability to have the strength that we have at some point. it will be undermined. thank you very much. >> thank you ian. chuck, who do you have on "meet the press"? >> i got the first sunday show interview of the new veteran secretary bob mcdonald. >> fantastic. >> dana carvey. >> that will be great. >> snl 40th. you guys have been doing stuff. we're all sucking up to snl. why not? but dana carvey when it comes to presidential impressions, who did it between he phil hartman, and daryl hammond. >> it will be fun. >> it will be prudent, i promise you. it will be prudent. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," president obama signs a bipartisan bill that will help veterans returning from combat. paul was at the ceremony. he joins us ahead. plus, white house press
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where is his microphone. hey, let's do it live. >> live for a minute. >> how cold is it out there? i'm going give willie my microphone because i can't read. >> we're going to -- >> hey, c.j. >> he's not a big reader. >> i got it. nfl legend tony dorsett, a hall of fame running back who played ten seasons with the dallas cow byes is now speaking out about
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his opponent in a life after football. in 2013 dorsett became one of the first living ex-nfl players diagnose with signs of cte, degenrive brain disorder linked to head trauma and concussions. it left him aware that he had likely experienced symptoms like memory loss and mood swings for the rest of his life but in an exclusive interview with lester holt dorsett and his wife spoke about fighting back against the condition. >> what message do you want to send? >> i thought it would be something good for me to come out with this and that people understand the fact that it's there and it's real but, you know, when you see your kids especially when young kids out there playing pop warner junior high high school football they get these concussions. you've got to take it very seriously. >> we just think across the board in the sports world no matter what the sport may be, if there is any type of a head injury involved, you you need to be proactive about taking care of your children.
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>> dorsett opted out of a recent settlement between the nfl and former players over cte that could end up paying out over $1 billion. he said he wanted his case to stand on its own merits. >> tony dorsett, man, i remember when he first came to the nfl. just an incredible runner and player. but the toll that that game takes. >> he talked about in that interview, too, not getting -- getting in the car and going places he's been going for 25 years and suddenly not remembering where he was going and why he was going there. that's the toll it takes. it takes a name like his or junior to put this front and center and get real about this problem. in other news. the guardian two imprisoned al jazeera prisoners released from jail. the pair was arrested in december 2013 on charges of aiding terrorists and spreading fabricated news. those were the charges, anyway. both men must return to court on february 23rd to continue their case. their colleague arrested on the same charges was deported to his
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and a 97% on-time rate xfinity is perfect for people with a busy life. current post of weekend update column and we're talking about snl because lauren michaels is pulling out the stopsz this weekend to celebrate 40 years on nbc. 3 1/2 special this sunday night here on nbc. some of the biggest names in comedy and hollywood, in music, all walking back into fabled studio 8h. >> good evening. >> reporter: created by the legend dare lauren michaels in 1975 it's the experiment that became an institution. >> live from new york it's saturday night. >> reporter: four decades of sketch comedy celebrated in a 3 1/2 special this sunday and all, of course live.
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a show that broke new ground will welcome back five original cast members, including dan aykroyd, is chevy chase and jane curtain. >> where do you folks come from? >> france. >> reporter: those pioneers of comedy were followed by other big names who also will be here sunday night like steve martin, bill murray, and billy krystal, and back at snl for the first time in three decade eddie murphy. other beloved former cast members returning to 30 rock include dana carvey mike myers, chris rock adam sandler, and will ferrell. plus, two of snl's funniest women, tina fey and amy poehler back together again. >> and i can see russia from my house. >> reporter: and we hear the real governor palin will be here, too. snl launched the late night careers of jimmy fallon and seth meyers, both expected back as well. and then there are the guest
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hosts, alec baldwin, tom hanks, christopher walken and justin timberlake, all members of the five-timers club back in studio 8h. ♪ >> reporter: now we don't know if timberlake is going to sing on sunday but we can tell you both paul simon and sir paul mccartney will. they're just two of the musical acts appearing. we started the anniversary celebration a few months early with our own halloween tribute to snl. ♪ >> oh, yeah. >> that's awesome. >> snl 40th anniversary celebration airs this sunday at 8:00 on nbc. >> let's debate. >> rolling stone magazine its new issue, has ranked all the cast members in the history of the show one to 141. you can tell by cover belush she
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is number one. where do you guys go? >> chris farley. >> i like that choice. >> chris farley. >> it's impossible. >> chris farley. >> it is impossible. >> it's tough. >> i love bill murray. i love will ferrell. i love tina fey. che i have chevy chase. if you want to talk about like moments in time, if i had to pick one that had the most memorable moments, it's got to be eddie murphy. it's got to be eddie murphy whether you're talking about hot tub, whether you're talking about buck wheat being shot. >> i'm going there. eddie murphy. >> eddie murphy is my guy. james brown hot tub. hot tub. >> hot. hot tub. good god, hot tub. >> i mean eddie murphy. >> and then you know -- >> just rolling on the floor. >> buckwheat is shot. i got to say, a guy --
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>> mr. robinson's neighborhood. >> cullkill my landlord. a guy who has been forgotten through time who was a great partner with eddie murphy was joe piscopo who had magical moments. we've got to remember phil hartman who, oh, my god, phil hartman. >> where do you go jeremy? >> i think that there are few television experience for me that were as delightful as watching july mywatch jimmy fallon try and fail not to laugh. >> cute, yes. absolutely. >> top ten? >> here it is. belushi, mike myers, number four. dan aykroyd, five. bill murray six. this list is crazy. seven is phil hartman. great. amy poehler at 8. guild gilda radner at five. >> no chris farley? >> chris farley is number 15.
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delaware. i believe our democracy is stronger when the president acts with the support of congress. i would enjoy having some kentucky bourbon with mitch mcconnell. i love meryl streep. let me tell you the reason i picked jobd. number one, he can step in and become president. >> oh, come on man. >> stop it now. in just a few hours president obama will turn his attention to cyber security hosting a summit in the heart of silicon valley after a string of cyber attacks including the breaches at sony pictures home depot, and health care insurer anthem. but some of the biggest names in the tech industry will not be there. joining us now, white house press secretary josh earnest. >> we're going to talk about that in a minute but first, important stuff. >> okay. >> who is your favorite snl cast member? we're looking at "rolling stones" top 100. who is your favorite? >> my favorite of all time? >> of all time. >> it's a tough, tough question.
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>> it's hard. >> i think you have to go with steve martin right? he really sort of pioneered a lot of the public figures on that show. >> well, steve was -- as guest host so much that he was like a fabled member in the early years. >> was he just a frequently guest host? >> he was a frequent guest host but he's guest host -- he and alec baldwin, i think they get honorable mention. but i will say you go back -- we're talking abouted eddie murphy some of the great moments. king tut steve martin. >> exactly. >> some of the great moments on snl, wilder czechoslovakia brothers. i think some of the great moments in snl history you've got to put steve martin up there. >> we have the presidential press secretary here. >> why don't we -- first of all, the cyber security summit you do have some major no shows here. what's going on? >> listen this is a significant national security issue.
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it's also a significant issue for our economy as evidenced by some of the significant breaches that we've seen. and one of the things that the government can do is play a role in helping the private industry share information. and this is what we're finding is actually real -- a real key to effect everyive is actually real -- a real key to effect everyively responding to intrusions is we want to make sure the private industry, when they notice an intrusion, they're sharing information about that intrusion with other companies so they can steal their to prevent the same technique to intrude on their network, too. if we can get to a place to share this information we can make sure our computer systems are better equipped to repel these kinds of intrusions. >> that's exactly why i asked, why don't you have mark zuckerberg there melissa meyer, eric schmidt. it seems like these are the very people you would need at the table. why are they no shows? >> well, there are senior executives from all of these companies there and tim cook ceo of apple will be playing a
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prominent role today, too. there are a lot of issues here where there are some differences. there are -- the government has an interest in some of the security measures that the technology companies are adopting. there are a lot of complicated issues that we have to work through. and i think ultimately our interests are aligned at the end when it comes to ensuring keeping the american people safe. i'm sure they don't want terrorists and people with bad intentions using their technology to harm people. >> i want to askout about the islamic state and the war resolution that the president has asked for. you guys crafted this so it would not be overbroad, so it would not include an extended enduring ground operation. i wonder if congress passes a resolution that calls for the use of ground forces that contain nos limitations on the use of combat troops would the president veto that? >> well, jeremy the president
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gave a speech almost two years ago at national defense university here in washington where he actually talked about the need for congress to play a more prominent role in making some of the national security decisions and that he believed it was the responsibility of members of congress to step forward and constrain the executive branch. now, the president of the united states is also the commander in chief and he needs to have the flexibility to order the armed forces, to take steps that he believes is necessary to protect the country but there is a role for congress there. and trying to strike that balance is something constitutional scholars have debated for generations. and i'm sure they will debate that for generations in the future. the reason the president wants to seek this congressional authorization is he believes congress should be involved and in this case he believes we need to tailor that authorization to use military force to reflect the threats we face right now. what's clear to the president right now is deploying and enduringe inging ground operation
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in syria would not be in the national security interests in the united states. we haven't seen a specific proposal from republicans so we're going to let this work its way through the legislative process before we start issuing veto threats. >> that would be a new thing. >> jeremy let me be clear. the reason we have gone to congress and asked them to weigh in on this debate is the president believes that congress should have a role to play in this debate and that congress should be exercising their authority to constrain the executive branch in this measure but not overly so. >> josh it's willie. within this proposed authorization the president talks about a three-year span. i'm curious how he arrived at the number of three years. as you know there are a lot of people in military generals especially, who don't like these dates certain. lit be over at this date regardless of the situation on the ground. where did you all arrive at three years? >> well, i think it's a couple of things willie. the first is there are some people suggesting it should be a one-year provision and president believed that would really constrain his ability and the ability of our military planners to put in place a strategy and
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give it some time to make some progress. i think what the president concluded is that three years is a reasonable period of time for us to put in place a strategy to execute that strategy so far if you given the pace of success that we've seen in the first six months of this strategy we would anticipate that three years from now the threat that is posed by isil will look different than it looks now and we would anticipate congress would want to take steps to further constrain the executive branch because the authority and -- the effectiveness of isil has been further constrained by our strategy. so what we want to set up is we want congress to regularly be a part of these kinds of decisions and this over the course of three years, it would be time for congress to take another look at what the executive branch is doing and what the military is doing to take the fight to isil. three years is an appropriate period of time for them to do that. the other thing that we have acknowledged from the beginning is this legislative proposal if sent to congress is a starting point for continued legislative negotiations. and congress needs to work
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its -- we're pleased there are hearings scheduled in both the house and senate to begin this process. >> all right. josh earnest, thank you very much. up next -- >> thanks. honorable mention, steve martin. >> you know, it's sort of with an asterisk there. some of the great moments -- >> i thought he was a cast member. >> -- that launched "saturday night live" were launched with steve martin. steve martin dan aykroyd. >> alec baldwin. >> alec baldwin. >> oh, my gosh. >> i love his tony bennett. his tony bennett. >> this script says that we sent lewis to the rided carpet of sports illustrates? >> no. >> we didn't do this. this is all lewis. and i think -- i think we're disappointed.
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>> it's the luckiest job in the world. >> i'm very, very excited. >> i feel like i'm in a dream. i can't even -- it really doesn't feel real, to be honest. but -- i'm having fun in this dream. >> i'm so honored to be here. >> it's valentine's day coming up. what should i do for my fiance? >> i thought were you going to ask me to be your valentine. i'm sad. >> oh i'm sorry. >> i don't know. >> girls like excite. >> yeah? >> they want to go on a little adventure. >> take a long walk together. something like that. >> go to a diamond store. diamonds is a best friend. >> i'm just going with being sent flowers, because that's never happened to me so far. so i would take all the flowers in the world. >> honestly i am so chill, i just like to like put my hair back in a ponytail and i like to just probably eat like a big, old, fat meal and just chill out. >> chill out? >> dinner. somewhere beautiful. >> candles and the bathtub and a
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glass of champagne and chocolate. >> something sentimental thoughtful. don't go for the obvious, like roses. >> bad news for you jeremy. i can't say what he said. he said oh darn. tomorrow it valentine's day nap was your friendly reminder from louis burgdorf on the red carpet celebration. tomorrow is valentine's day. >> tough assignment. >> thank you for doing that. >> money well spent. >> also all about money. here with a look at spinning patterns on valentine's day. a big business? >> a big business. wanted to help out. contribute. so i got this for you, mika. >> oh godiva chocchocolates. she will eat them probably right now. >> i would never do that. thaushg. >> thank you. >> there is a geographic. all cities are not created equal
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when it comes to spending money on valentine's day. >> all cities are not created equal. new york city is actually a below average place. look at the data. see it on the board there. some of the cities aren't that great. new york city, i don't know what is happening. joe, i heard a big kaboom. this whole seg smnt ruement is ruined. focus on the data. tucson arizona, number one city. they spend almost 60% more in valentine's week than in a regular week in the first quarter of the year. a place like portland oregon maybe you can tell the hipsters? right? they don't spend money for valentine's day. >> and the rose city. you would think it would be this romantic rose thing going on? >> you would think that. no every a place spends the same amount of money. new york city -- >> what drives this? >> a very unromantic city. >> culture of the place. different regions, number one
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gift by foot traffic in stores changes's in the west all about going to the movies. in the midwest, getting flowers. think about the south, they like clothing and northeast, big on gifts. like jewelry, like chocolate. the regional spending is very different. so we are sort of not united states when it comes to valentine's day and what we want to do. >> so interesting. >> very good. what are you doing for valentine's day tomorrow? >> are you going to buy something? >> buying products. for people. >> really? >> on valentine's day. >> what kind of products? a very generic term. >> products. >> like -- >> he sent me some products. it's a long story. >> that's the underrated undervalued gift. look at the top four gifts what do you think it is? flowers, jewelry, cloaking ingchoeth clothing and chocolates. spas, 5%. do something good. >> flowers and jewelry, easily top two. >> and people think they're
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smart, give you flowers and jewelry. that's the number one combination anyway. people need to get creative. >> come on. that ain't cool. >> hmm. >> all right. i love it. >> this is interesting thank you. >> what did you do growing up? what did you do? >> made cards in school. in school they made you make the cards for mom. >> always a mess. people got, didn't get cards. some people left out. some of the boys never gave a certain girl a card. >> yesterday around our house jack and kate were making valentine's day cards. glitter all over them. >> i never got one. >> the chalk candy. >> oh the hearts! >> the b-mine. >> they say lewd things now. eric thank you very much. somebody gave me a lewd one. former coach -- >> oh. what did it say? >> former coach -- >> of sony amy pascal speaking out for the first time since stepping down. actually fired. her message for other women. and joining us ahead, isis
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♪ ♪ welcome back to "morning joe." mika, you were talking about valentine's day. not the happiest day of the year for you growing um. >> no. brings back really dark -- really, the same? >> i could go through the list every year's be my valentine. no. will you be my -- >> i don't believe that. >> it's true. i've listed the names of the girls i've liked from fifth
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grade on and they never liked me. it's a pattern. it's been going on for 45 years. >> okay. >> i don't believe my mom anymore. i don't think that they're just jealous. i think it's me. >> really? >> yeah. it's not them. it's me. >> i think it's you. >> very dark day. valentine's day. >> i always wondered as an adult, why in elementary school we were played to give out valentine's cards, because it always was the most horrible experience. there was always a girl left out, and there was always someone who didn't get something from somebody and it sort of fed into what was exactly brewing at the age of elementary to middle school years which were you know alliances between girls and boys -- >> don't they make you -- >> they don't. i didn't get the ones that i -- no. i don't think they give them to anybody. >> i didn't either. just got a big box. anyway -- go to the news. >> quite a week. >> quite an hour ahead. >> yeah.
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>> senator chris murphy. >> yeah. >> coming on. >> family member of -- >> oh. my gosh. >> one of the students tragically slain in chapel hill. >> that's straight ahead as well. start with the headlines this morning. the fbi is now investigating the shooting deaths of three young muslim-americans in chapel hill north carolina. to determine whether any federal laws were broken. left unsaid is that the alleged shooting by craig hicks may be prosecuted as a hate crime though so far, local law enforcement is investigating the deaths as a parking space dispute. yesterday the slain girls' father calmedled on the president sow see justice done. >> deyawah a second year dental student and did not complain all that time, even though the murderer can say that it was a parking dispute, whatever he was
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picking on, he came to that apartment with his gun, two or three times before the murder on different occasions. my daughter yusor complained and told us she felt that man hated them for the way they looked and the muslim garb they wore. she felt the hate had risen after she moved into the apartment and her friends came to visit, and most of them wore our muslim attire. i will call on the chapel hill police unc and president obama, churches mosques, synagogues and the american nation if this is not a hate crime what is a hate crime? >> yesterday funeral services had to be moved to a large athletic field after more than 5,000 people showed up to mourn deah and his wife and her sister. a recent interview yusor did for a nationwide project called
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story corps when she discusses culture in america. >> growing up in america has been such a blessing and, you know although in some ways i do stand out, such as what i wear on my head the head covering there is so many ways i feel so embedded in the fabric that is our culture and that's the beautiful thing here, is that it doesn't matter where you come from. there's so many different people from so many different places of different backgrounds and religions. >> absolutely. >> but we're we're all one. >> what a beautiful sentiment. and what a tragic end to her life. and what a terrible terrible message that this beast, and that's all can you call him, has spread across the world. >> i think you brought up a good point earlier. i think gene was talking about it as well. everyone sort of jumped to say, no no no. it's a parking dispute. we can leave the question open.
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especially after hearing from the father. there is a story there. >> wait until you hear about this man's background. he hated all religions, and it appears that he according to the father was constantly coming over there harassing them and they believed that their faith was one of the reasons why. >> and certainly no need to jump to conclusions about it. >> no. don't say nothing to see here nothing to see here when three young muslim-american students are gunned down at point-blank range. >> all right. >> don't tell us that's a parking dispute. i have not seen -- a parking dispute in news ending up with a tragic deaths of three people. >> no. all right, we're also following the fast-moving developments in the fight against isis. iraqi security forces regained control in areas in al baghdadi and western iraq seized by isis yesterday. the town is about 50 miles from ramadi and anbar province and near an air base where more than
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300 u.s. marines are training iraqi forces. the pentagon says the base has not been attacked though. this comes amid a new nbc news marist poll that shows a majority of americans want their representatives to approve president obama's request to use military force against isis. that is a dispute -- that is despite a near split on whether or not americans have confidence in his strategy to defeat islamic state militants. 40% of americans say they now support a limited number of u.s. ground troops and another 26% would back a large number of ground forces. and more americans believe president obama will be remembered for starting a new war rather than ending one. >> let's go to denver now and speak with former ambassador to iraq korea, poland and macedonia, now dean of the school of international studies at the university of denver chris fer hill christopher hill. so much to talk about. start with the headline out of that nbc news marist poll.
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i'm surprised. 66% of americans support ground troops in the battle against isis. does that number surprise you? >> not really. i think the murder of the jordanian pilot and the continued, just murdering of innocent civilians has really gotten people very concerned about this. so i'm not surprised. i do note that the opinion poll is more like 25% in terms of real, you know ground troop formation. so i don't see us going back into iraq in the way we're there in 2003. >> we've been talking this morning, the first couple of hours, about how everybody seems to look to the united states to be the world's policemen. whether it's in the middle east looking to us to take care of isis or whether it's europe looking to us to take -- other than poland and a few notable exceptions, to take care of putin and ukraine, and we're trying to figure out, how does
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the united states break out of this cycle where we're always the ones that seem to be called to put out these fires and spend now almost $600 billion on our defense budget? >> well you've got it. when you look around the world, there's really no one else who's kind of stepping up. all the concerns that china would somehow be you know heading for world domination. i mean look at ping's inbox in china. never seen so many domestic issues. look at europe going into a triple dip, i mean a third dip of recession, you know they have their hands full. they don't want to kind of go the full route on sanctions. they would love to get some deal on ukraine. i think the united states has been careful not to try to open up a huge split with the europeans over this but clearly there's a lot of skepticism in washington about what the europeans are doing. so it looks like we're kind of
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it and unless we're willing to sort of stop opinionating and stop you know worry being a these issues which i don't see how we can, we're going to have to be engaged. >> chuck brought that up. we're damned if we don't and damned if we do. if we do we are the world's policemen and china can continue making strategic economic investments while we're spending money fighting endless war, but if we don't get involved like we didn't get involved in yemen, to a great degree like we didn't get involved in syria and hundreds of thousands of people died there of course we pay the price for that as well. >> well yemen is instructive. as soon as we pulled out of our embassy all the europeans did. it's interesting, though. people call for more u.s. leadership and then criticize what it is we propose to do. it's like the old joke about the restaurant. you know the food is terrible, but, and the portions are too small.
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so it's -- it's really -- we are in a position where no matter what we do they seem unhappy. >> yeah. yeah. it's terrible but the portions are too small. quickly, a couple of -- a couple of issues. you obviously know poland well you were an ambassador there. should the united states if vladimir putin continues to be aggressive moves towards kiev let's say, over the next year year and a half should america respond by putting more troops in poland? by sending a message that way? >> i think we have to think in terms, get back to basics with nato. it's a military alliance. it's not some political country club. i think european countries have to step up their defense budgets, and i think as a general proposition we need to be moving eastward. whether we do that through regular exercises in countries like poland or actually have some troops there rather than in the western part of germany. so i think we do have to think
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of those terms. the problem with sanctions is we've spent 25 years trying to get russia into the west, and now we're i guess going to spend the next 25 years pushing them out. there's a lot of concern about sanctions, especially in europe where the germans depend on energy. the brits depend on finance and the french depend on heavy industry. so they don't want to see this kind of split with russia. so i think we need to get it on the issue of having a good military alliance in nato and begin to start kind of thinking in terms of moving towards the east. >> so we want to bring another voice into this conversation, and here with us now from hartford connecticut, democratic senator from connecticut and member of the foreign relations committee. senator chris murphy. first, stay on ukraine. do you think we should send arms to ukraine? will you ask the president to do so? >> listen i think we have to wait and watch how this new peace agreement works out but we
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know with the last agreement that was signed in minsk, russia violated it within days. i think right now i'm not sure that the costs are high enough for putin for him to really sit down at the table and write an agreement and stick to an agreement. that's why i've supporteded putting some defensive weapons into ukraine. not because we're going to be able to defeat the russians but because we need to up the costs for putin to make him really come to the table here and do something substantial in the long run. let's give this agreement a little time to play out, but i've been telling the president and his people i think it's time to put defensive weapons into the hands of the ukrainian army. >> mr. ambassador, do you agree with that? >> i basically do. i see it as a bad idea whose time has come. i say a bad idea because when you look at a military, it's a lot of different things besides new toys. it's a lot -- it's training. it's organization. it's motivation. it's all kinds of things. and i think the ukrainian hammereian
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army has had problems for years. dealing in bosnia part of the ukrainian force, lots of issues. nonetheless, i don't see how we can sit and do nothing. i agree with the senator. we have to start thinking in terms of serious transfer of defensive weapons. >> joe it raises the question we opened the conversation with and how much do we want to be spread around the world? and here we go again. >> and here we go again, and dragging europe all the way with us. senator, let's move on now to isis. what do you think congress is going to end up doing? what is -- what is the president going to be able to get from congress? >> well this is as you know a really difficult needle for the president to thread because he's got you know john mccain and lindsey graham on one side who want absolutely no limitations on this authorization of military force and then he's got people like me on the other side who think that we should send a signal to our allies in the region there's a limit to what we're willing to
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do and what we think is smart to do. the president said that he's not going to put ground troops on the ground but this authorization goes for three year not a year and a half. so my belief is that we should learn lessons from the iraq war. say we are not going to make the same mistake again by putting 100,000 troops on the ground there. expect our allies the gulf states, for instance, in the region to step up. and this is going to be difficult for the president to get a bill through, because he's got to get something with republican and democratic support that addresses both the right that wants zero limitations and i think your poll suggests that's not where the american public is but then also speaks to those of us who came to congress in the wake of the iraq war who want to learn from owes those mistakes. >> and mr. ambassador, and senator, i want to read briefly from charles krauthammer this morning who talks about crusaders and appeasers. russia pushes deep into eastern i crane, the islamic state burns to death a jordanian pilot and
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the president calls for strategic patience. this passivity is more than the overreach of the bush years goes on to sap it's rooted in barack obama's belief we like the moral authority to engage. as mr. ambassador let me begin with you, a lot of frustration from people that may not even vote for the same candidates that charles krauthammer votes for every four years for commander in chief, this president is too passive, that he's backed on his heels and doesn't have a strategic approach to the world's problems. is that a fair assessment of the foreign policy experts you speak with every day? >> i think it's a little harsh. i think one of the issues you can certainly point to is whether he has a team that really kind of pulls together and works together. i think that's an issue. i think the president does have a tendency perhaps to think out loud and i think that's an issue. but in terms of responding to isis, i mean, especially in
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recent months and we really have isis on its heels in iraq. there have been numerous air strikes. i mean we are pounding them. the problem is not the lack of a military response. the problem is we don't have any kind of political way forward in syria. i would like to hear the secretary of state get up and talk about the future of syria. the future of syria has to be in -- recognized in its international borders. is it going to have a federal structure to it? instead we just talk about have a provisional government provisional constitution. that's not a future just a recipe for more violence. >> senator, your response? >> well you know this criticism of the president seems to be a proxy for the president isn't invading enough countries and the reality is he is leading. this administration has been leading. you would not have this crippling set of sanctions on russia nor the support for the
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ukrainian economy if it wasn't for the united states. you wouldn't have an international military response against isil inside the middle east in an unprecedented way if it wasn't for the leadership of the president. i think there's a lot of neoconservative whose learned zero lessons from the iraq war. project power, for us to throw our military weight around and this president is smart to say the first thing we have to make sure not make things worse. that's how doctors approach treating human beings. probably how we should approach treating the world and it isn't a lack of leadership. maybe a lack of throwing america's military weight around as i argue we've done in the past. >> thank you. ambassador christopher hill you get the yogi bear award for giving two sayings that we are going to use. one, it is a bad idea whose time has come. my favorite the food is terrible and the portions are too small. >> there you go. world affairs in a nutshell. >> thank you guys so much.
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we really appreciate it pap great conversation and great insights. stit heal on "morning joe," coping with loss in chapel hill. we'll seek speak to the sister of one of the victims in a few minutes. also, paul rykoff was with the president yesterday when he signed an important piece of legislation to help veterans. paul joins us ahead. also, 14 gamblers have to return $1.5 million for something that was the casino's fault? that story is ahead in "morning papers." uals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it was geoffrey! it was jason. it could've been brenda. ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh... you don't love the dress? i love my sister... 40 flavors. 100 calories or less.
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ashton carter as the next secretary of defense. the former number two at the pentagon was approved in a rare bipartisan vote of 93-5. carter says defeating isis will be his number one priority and he pledged to be candid when advising the president. carder will become the president's fourth defense secretary when he is sworn in next week. >> "wall street journal." new york city officials are washging up disappointed this morning after arrival in sports and now politics was selected to hold the 2016 democratic national convention instead of brooklyn. organizers plan to hold the dnc at the wells fargo center in philadelphia. that's home to the nba sixers nhl flyers. new york city organizers felt they put together a strong bid for a brooklyn convention. the mayor in new york said he was "not happy at the outcome." in the end, security concerns and logistical difficulties related to holding the event in a densely residential neighborhood apparently were too much to overcome and it went to philly. >> a great place, by the way,
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for a convention. >> fantastic. >> republicans had it there in 2000 and i was surprised how great it was. >> all right. let's go now to "usa today." a new study suggests that the southwest and the great plains will face a so-called mega drought by 2050 which will be far worse than california's current situation. cornell scientists say the odds of the mega drought in these regions are 80%, if climate change continues at the same pace. a mega drought occurs when intense, dry conditions persist for ten-plus years. looking at "the press" of atlantic city. a judge in jersey ordered 14 gamblers to return $1.5 million to card game winnings after the casino discovered the cards were never shuffled. golden nugget casino bought the cards from a manufacturer that was supposed to pre-shuffle them and never did. the error caused a pattern to emerge during the game giving players a big advantage. the spokesperson is pleased with
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the rules and believes it was the right decision. how is that the gambler's fault? that's your fault. that's my money. you're not getting it back. >> go to buzzfeed. president obama teamed up with buzzfeed for a video reminding americans that they have until sunday to sign up for coverage on healthcare.gov. the video features the president doing things many everyday americans do including taking selfies, attempting to pronounce february, and perfecting his air jump shot. >> deadline for signing up for health insurance is february -- february 15th. february 15th. in many cases you can get health insurance for less than $100 a month. >> so you know he had that between two ferns. you know? it actually worked really really well. right? so that one might work. >> he has a wicked sense of humor and the video racked up
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more than 740,000 views. >> millions more on facebook on buzzfeed's facebook. >> okay. it's getting the job done. >> you a little uncomfortable with that? >> i don't know. >> uncomfortable with that? >> a little bit. but it's okay. have to be honest. just saying. coming up is it time for the united states to start paying ransoms for americans held by terrorists? we're going to debate that. plus the sister of a man murdered at chapel hill will be our guest right here on "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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what is your explanation? these actresses are paid less and don't realize they're paid less by the men. explain. >> here's the problem. i run a business. people want to work for less money i'll pay them less money. i don't call them up and say, can i give you some more? that's not what you do when you run a business. the truth is what women have to do is not work for less money. they have to walk away. people shouldn't be so grateful for jobs. they -- i shouldn't be grateful and you shouldn't be grateful they shouldn't be grateful. people should know what they're worth and say, no. >> that sounds incredibly familiar. amy pascal speaking publicly for the first time since leaving her post at co-chair of sony pictures. responding to a question about the pay gap between male and female stars revealed during the sony hacking incident. last week sony announced pascal
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would be stepping down as co-chair but in that same interview, pascal said "all i did was get fired." >> if you listen what she said to tina brown yesterday, it was taken straight out of knowing your value. straight out of your book. >> there are a couple of things we addressed in that book in tells our story, my story, in terms of the search for a, dealing with the pay gap issue and learning to find our own voice in it. being too grateful. apologizing your way into the conversation, and just assuming people are going to be fair some of the biggest mistakes women make in the industry. even though it's infortunate in many ways what happened during this hacking scandal, this information is vital as more and more women raise in the ranks, great lake the glass ceilings and need to understand their pay needs to be equal. >> most women don't talk about the pay disparity while they are still working. >> no, they don't. >> like you did in your book. >> no. they don't write books.
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>> unfortunately, we had a boss that didn't get too pissed off. >> a progressive boss and actually more to come on this whole issue with this network and what we're doing moving forward. that was a great conversation opener for sure. all right. let's go to someone who is nodding in agreement about this. business before the bell now with sara eisen. happy friday. >> happy friday mika. of course, i agree with you on women's pay. i want to point out the markets now are in rally mode. we're coming off our best close of 2015. cheerful wall street this week and giving extra cheer this morning is we got a read on the european economy. gdp data there, expected to be weak. it was actually better than predicted. 1.4% growth from last year. thanks in part to europe's biggest member and that would be germany, but growing a little faster and to put it in perspective, they're not quite at the level of the u.s. during the same quarter the u.s. grew 2.6%. still the bright spot in the global economy, but better
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european numbers helped sentiment a lot. moving markets this morning. another story we're watching of course president obama out at stanford university talking about cyber security meeting with a lot of corporate executives. tim cook ceo of apple, expected to speak the ceos of a lot of the financial firms as well. these mastercard visa american express, bank of america, also will be there. interesting to watch how this plays out. this public/private corporation, cooperation to try to fight cyber security and hacking. one of the biggest questions out there for the executives will be privacy. how much data their user do they want to share with the government, and trying to battle these hackers, guys. >> all right. sara thank you very much. on to our next story now. of course the murders in chapel hill, north carolina joe. we've been talking all morning about the rush to call this incredible tragedy an issue over parking, and there might have been a little bit of a rush to raise questions and, or not raise questions, about what
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happened. >> i mean, the problem is obviously, it's too convenient that you have the shootings of these three wonderful -- >> incredible people. >> young, gifted, beautiful american students, and you -- you immediately say that it's because of a parking dispute, when you have a man who openly despised people of all religious faiths, and that these three young students had actually been expressing concerns that they thought that he hated them because of their faith. chapel hill police need to back off, and they need to take a wider look at the causes of this. >> now the fbi is stepping in. joining us now from chapel hill north carolina dr. suzanne barakat, whose brother was murdered tuesday along with his wife and his wife's younger sister. thank you for coming on. i want to take your words and ask you to develop on them. you talk about losing three bright brilliant, brilliant, beautiful and successful people
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who were destined for greatness. tell us a be your family. >> good morning, and thank you for having me. i'll tell you about my family. it's short three members and how would you feel if you find out sudly that your brother his wife his sister were shot in the back of the head unarmed in their own home, and yesterday we buried them three of them at the sam time into the very cold ground. i don't think there are words to explain how that feels. >> i wouldn't know how to answer that question. i'll ask you, though, at this point what is driving you to speak, to speak out at this time of such immediate extreme unspeakable grief?
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>> the need to share their legacy. the need for the world to hear about who they are and what this is about. the need to seek justice on their behalf. >> and that goes back to mika's first question to you, asking about your family. tell us more about them. tell us more about your brother. tell us more about your family and their legacy and what that legacy is and what it will be. >> i think all you need to do is look at the pictures that are circling. watch the videos. listen to the piece that yusor and razan had shared and you will know so much about them in no time. which can be summarized as i have said and so many people have said to kindness love optimism, service, dedication to
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their families, their work, their faith. >> and that faith extended i believe it was an interview that we heard your sister-in-law give, that faith extended to being able to be a muslim and live in america where she was accepted and other muslims are accepted. that was a faith that they had, and yet we had the chapel hill police come out yesterday saying that this was a parking dispute. do you believe that this was simply a parking dispute or was it a hate crime? >> i think it's absolutely insulting, insensitive and outrageous that the first thing they come out and say and issue a statement that this is a parking dispute. when i'm not sure who they spoke
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to, because it took me all of five minutes of talking to his former roommate who they had not reached out to do give me details, information, text messages and to give you context. each unit is assigned one parking spot and there are multiple visitors parking spots on the premises. from the first time they arrived having seen my mom who also wears the headscarf, they had been harassed and were approached and told basically deah's unit has one parking spot. the neighbor an adjacent one and a neighbor's adjacent to that and the neighbor told him do not park in that visitor's parking slot because that belongs to my wife. they respected it. but what happens when you have friends visiting? they park in a visitors' parking spot. they continued receiving this kind of harassment with guns being -- the gun being flashed under his shirt. it reached the point where yusor
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texted as sannrazan, sent it asking, please tell my roommate to your roommate to move because this neighbor is bothering me. this prompted the roommate to call the apartment complex management who told them a visitor spot is a visitor spot. no one can claim it. regardless they avoided parking in that spot. his friends and family know not to park in that spot. deah went to the extend printing out all the spots and highlighting which were visiting parking spots that can be parked in avoiding the win that the neighbor had issues with him parking in. that was not enough. >> yes. >> so dr. barakat, just two final questions. first of all, was there any contact with the police about the behavior of this man and the threats? and what has been the response of the chapel hill community?
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>> i have been here since the morning after the shooting, and police have still not reached out to my family. and i would like to just highlight one thing with regarding to the parking spots. someone drove by the complex yesterday out of curiosity. i was wondering, maybe razan parked in that visitor's parking spot. they were all parked in their designated areas. razan's was not in that parking spot. to call it a parking dispute when in fact no one was parked even in that visitor's spot that does not belong to him is insulting to me and trivializes their murders. >> thank you for coming on and expressing your concerns. >> thank you for having me. we'll be right back. i'm sure you know what this meeting is about. yes, a raise. i'm letting you go. i knew that. you see, this is my amerivest managed... balances. no. portfolio. and if doesn't perform well for two consecutive gold.
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we've been saying loud and clear to anyone out there who's hurting, it's not a sign of weakness to ask for help. it's a sign of strength. and clay hunt was strong in that way. he asked for help. in fact he did everything that we urge people with post-traumatic stress to do. he reached out to his family. they embraced him with love. he opened up to other veterans and they were there for him, too. he sought treatment and not once but repeatedly. >> that was president obama speaking yesterday before signing the veterans suicide prevention bill named for former marine clay hunt. joining us now founder and ceo of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america paul rykoff. we could see you there at the white house. this has been a long time coming, paul. >> absolute mika. thanks to you and joe and everybody on the show and all of your viewers for supporting us. it's been a long fight. yesterday was a bittersweet but historic day. as you know all the politicians
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show up for the bill signing. we're all going to be there to get pictures taken. the activists and advocates in the audience around the country, watching this show made this happen, deserve the credit and especially clay's mom susan. heroic, out in the front from the start and made this happen. >> give us a sense of clay's story and why it is sort of the perfect almost example or representative of the issue itself and the losses that we are enduring still so many years after veterans return home. >> you know clay grew up in texas. a great all-american kid. played high school football. joined the marine corps. was wounded overseas and came home and struggled to get care. he waited ten weeks to see a therapist. the v.a. was a troubled bureaucracy he was trying to navigate and still involved in the community. that's why he was a motivator for all of us. involved with so many other veterans groups and a rally cry for us but we lost him at 28
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years old and are losing friends every single day. that's the message here. we lost clay and mourn his loss but also celebrate his life and we're committed to not losing others. folks watching we want them to get help. that's the message of the bill. know there's help out there and there's hope. >> this is an issue also that is finally starting to break through. without me even saying anything to her, my sixth grade daughter is giving a speech today in front of her school and her topic is our vet suicides and what we need to do about that. >> and housing. >> yeah. and also homelessness. 22 vet suicide a day. you know, we've been around enough to know that sometimes bills are passed that don't have the intended affect or because it makes people feel good and they can go campaign at home about them. tell me, how does this law now give us hope that 22 vet suicide a day is a number that we will
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see dropping, day after day, year after year? >> i'll give you one clear example. it provides loan relief for people who want to become psychiatrists and work at the v.a. if you want to step forward be literally the point of attack as a v.a. psychiatrist, this will pay back 134 of your loans put aside financial issues and take on the fight. you're right, joe. community support. church groups. local community nonprofits and the veterans community and folks like your daughter just our communities understanding you can't wait for washington and the folks in this building behind me to provide the support. we've got to take care of our own and that's the message clay put out and the message of this bill. >> by the way, you brought it up, too. you're right. it was also about homeless vets that is an equally troubling issue that has to be tackled. >> unbelievable, after what they do for our country to come home and to struggle to get a roof over their head. >> and grass roots, guys. >> thank god for people like paul rykoff who fight the good fight.
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u.n. secretary-general amina muhammad. thank you for being us. >> a big year 2015. why? >> the pivotal year for the movement to end extreme poverty by 2030. this year we'll host major events on washington mall in april at the g-7 in germany and also bringing back the 2015 global citizen festival this september on the great lawn of central park. this is the year where we're focused on engaging millions of new people in the fight to end extreme poverty by 2015 and i'm here -- >> by 2030. >> beg noryour pardon. >> here with the u.n. secretary-general special adviser or post-2015 development. >> hue do we do that? >> 193 countries of the united nations come together and set a new agenda with goals and a financing framework and what it really is about is a universal agenda. where everyone comes together. a generation where we have the opportunity, the first one, to end poverty, but also the last
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generation to do something really meaningful about climate change. >> have we learned from our mistakes in the past? done a lot on poverty that hassen untended consequences. have we learned those lessons and moved forward? >> we have. carried them through into the next agenda and learned we freed to be connected with the economy, with the environment and take it as a whole trying to end poverty. >> what's the first thing we need to do to reach that goal? a very ambitious goal of ending extreme poverty across the world in the next 15 years. what's the first thing? the big idea. the big idea, august ofll of us coming together. the leadership we need from leaders to pull together a world that gets behind this and it needs to be owned and driven by everyone but it needs to start in the country level. this is not a partnership that just exists at one level or another but starts at the ground and works up.
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♪ ♪ welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we learned. >> one of the most emotional weeks in media i have ever seen starting with obviously the news here. jon stewart. then the loss of some of the greatest reporters of our generation, really. bob simon, ned colt david carr. >> of course that bad news late last night. whirlwind. >> and you know i learned that people like you, who tragically gunned down in chapel himll. how she spoke, yusor a promise cut short and these three young
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americans. not muslims. these three young "americans" deserve justice and deserve a full investigation and the truth needs to come out. >> and a full look at exactly what was behind what happened and no rush to judgment for sure. >> no rush to judgment. >> learned so much today. >> thank you guys for being with us. bottom of the screen you see the people who helped put together our show all week and we greatly appreciate all they do we don't know how they put up with it. >> i don't think they do put up with us. >> i don't think they do. >> they do great work and thanks to them and thanks to you always for your patience. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." we'll see you on monday. have a great weekend. good morning, good to be with you. i'm frances rivera if for jose, first on "the rundown," extreme winter weather one-two punch, already buried under three feet of snow new england bracing for
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