muslim faith. >> to call it a parking dispute when in fact no one was parked in even that visitor's parking spot that does not belong to him is outrageous to me. and it's insulting. and it trivializes their murders. in just a few minutes we'll talk to useff, the brother of two of the chapel hill victims. yesterday -- he was at a memorial service for his slain family members that drew a crowd so large it had to be relocated. social media, 2.7 million tweets have been posted to the the #chapelhillshooting. as members of the muslim community and supporters on social media call for the killings to be designated as a hate crime, it's worth asking how much would that accomplish? nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is here in new york with the answer to that question. all right, pete. let's break this down. the idea of designated as a hate crime, is it conceivable here and would it accomplish anything? >> well, without prejudging where the evidence will go it may or may not turn out to be a

hate crime, it may or may not turn out to be kalea killed motivated by anti-religious or eight husband anti-muslim sentiment. if it is a hate crime, they do come up with that evidence the point here is it would not make much of a difference legally in north carolina. the suspect here is charged with first-degree murder. that north carolina is a state that has the death penalty. north carolina has a hate crime law, but it doesn't apply to situations like this. in other words it would not be if he were convicted, it would not be a factor that the jury would consider in deciding whether or not to seek the death penalty instead of life in prison. it's not what they call an aggravating factor. it wouldn't come into play. it could be a bit of evidence offered to the jury, but ift legally wouldn't make a difference in terms of the severity of the charges in a

first-degree murder case. the federal government can pursue a hate crime case. in cases of murder the federal government doesn't do that unless the state case goes off the rails, there's an acquittal or not able to bring it to trial. >> thank you for that clarification. pete williams appreciate it. the brother of two of the victims, ruser and razan. i'll start with our condolences. it's a tough time. >> thank you i appreciate it. it's a pleasure to be here. >> let's talk about what pete williams, i don't know if you were able to hear what he was just saying. i know the family does not as far as i know buy into the idea this was a parking dispute. would it make a difference to you and your family if this is ultimately not designated a hate crime because that has an illegal meaning really in the state of north carolina? >> you know, it would make a difference to us. it's not necessarily about the fact of having legal meaning or influenceing verdict at all.

it's just we want justice. we don't seek revenge. we're very peaceful people. we want to acknowledge something when it's there. we sympathize with all the communities, minorities and those that weren't minorities recently with all the cases we've been seeing with the news. we want to be sympathized with and acknowledge something when it's there. >> todo you feel that acknowledgement has not been there? we reported there's been a lot of social media around the deaths of your loved ones. does it feel it hasn't really been acknowledged the way the family would think is fair? >> i believe it's been acknowledged by the masses. we've been getting so much support in terms of social media and even world leaders have been calling us and sending their condolences and it's been amazing. but we would like to call on our home labd the u.s. to really look into this. we respect this land so much we respect president obama so much. we could really use this right now. >> yeah.

i know this is difficult, but just tell us something about your sisters, your two younger sift sisters that you would want the world to know about them. >> first i'd like to share what they mom would want you to know about them and that is they carried themselves with such dignity and humility and compassion and i believe they inherited those characteristics from my mother. also the fact that they wore the head scarf and they were just a message of light and peace and it's truly the message that this scarf is supposed to show. that's what we're proud of them for. growing up with them as been such an honor. i'm thankful to god for allowing me the time that we spent together. they were my inspiration. truly, i couldn't match them in any area, whether it was academically or socially. they were just wonderful. beautiful. i looked up to my younger

sisters. i told people that they might have thought i was exaggerating. >> we've seen the beautiful pictures of your sister's wedding to deah who was also tragically killed. tell us of your brother-in-law. i read someplace he's the only person you would approve to marry your sister. >> i met deah when i was in fourth grade. ever since then he's been the most genuine man i know in our community. i guarantee you everyone in our community would vouch for that. when she told me i was ecstatic. they were so young and so tenter and most would say, who would think of getting married at this age? i just knew it was right and it's a wedding in heaven right now. >> yeah. well, yousef abu salha, our thoughts and prayers are with you, your family mom, and dad. we hope you'll continue your studies. you are also a student. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me miss reid, it's a pleasure.

we're following two terrorism related leads out of the middle east. germany and saudi arabia became the latest countries to close their embassies tonight, following similar moves from the u.s. and great britain as the country descends into chaos. a civil war there triggered the collapse of the u.s.-backed government. meanwhile, in iraq u.s.-backed forces repelled in attack on an air base in the western far of the country by members of isis. the new nbc marist poll shows most americans supportive of a new authorization specifically to fight isis, and moments ago state department spokeswoman jen psaki told andrea mitchell the iraqi troops' success is a perfect example of president obama's strategy in the middle east. >> the troops on the ground need to be iraqi forces. they need to be syrian forces. we're training these forces. we're equipping them and we certainly do think that fighting back along with our air strikes is something that will be effective in this fight.

>> nbc news foreign correspondent aimjoins me in the studio. >> this was a substantial overnight development that happened in the town of al baghdadi not far from the aukiraqi capital and anbar province. over night they attacked this town, laid siege to it. they've taken control of some parts following a very intense fight. the strategic significance of this town can be seen here. it's only eight miles away from the al assad air base where 320 u.s. soldiers marines are on the ground training and equipping the iraqi forces taking the fight to isis in and around this entire province. the real central question obviously is that while we've heard time and time again that the u.s. forces on the ground there are not involved in any combat operations, the fighting may be coming to the doorstep of that base and that may force the united states and in this case the soldiers there to engage in some very heavy fighting. but it also raises questions about the u.s. coalition and the

ongoing air strikes that have been meant to degrade and destroy isis. when you get a sense of the big picture, isis controls and has a big area under its grip right now. a lot tvof it is sympathetic, some support. a lot of it is outright control. isis has been able to manage to fight on three different fronts. they're fighting the assad regime in syria, they're fighting iraqi. troops backed by the united states as well as the kurdish forces. and that has raised questions as to whether or not the actual coalition air strikes are doing enough to destroy isis. >> all right. ayman, thank you very much. we can also report that we are hearing that up to 20 to 25 isil isis fighters attempted to detonate suicide bombs all of them or most of them wearing iraqi uniforms. that is actually coming from john kirby, a spokesman for the pentagon. you are looking right now at

live pictures from the pentagon where the daily briefing is getting under way. we're going to continue to monitor that briefing and bring you further developments. all right. meanwhile, pressure is mounting on gon kbon governor john kitzhaber to resign. he and his fiancee, sylvia hayes are investigated following reports hayes used her connections to the governor to win contracts worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. and routinely used the governor's mansion to host meetings with clients. despite pressure from senior democrats and reports that he told aides he was stepping down, the governor says otherwise. >> a lot of talk today. do you have any intentions of resigning? >> no, i do not. as i indicated last week i recognize i've been getting a lot of pressure from many to do so. don't intend to do so. i got elected. a lot of people spent a lot of time and money and energy to get me in this position and i owe it to them to do the job as best i can. >> nbc's zach roth has more.

let's get the background on this case and does it look like the governor can survive it? >> well there have already been some reports and my sources saying the same thing that the governor may indeed resign early afternoon oregon time. everybody stressing that could change. these are just rumors at the moment. but that's kind of the latest. in terms of the background you know, joy, it's such a rich back story. what set off this most immediate crisis is reports that sylvia hayes was paid $118,000 by a washington, d.c., energy firm while she was lobbying the governor and working on energy policy in oregon, then another report that two very close longtime associates of the governor found paid work for sylvia hayes as an energy consultant, again, while she was working on these issues in oregon. so that follows kind of a number of instances of sort of blurred lines between her role as de

facto first lady and her career as an energy consultant. you know, the last few days joy, have been pretty bizarre in oregon politics. i was actually at a conference down in washington, d.c. hoping to interview the secretary of state, kate brown, who, of course, would take over if the governor does resign. her spokesman told me she had to unexpectedly fly back to oregon. when that got out, that set off a frenzy. people waiting at the airport for her. turned out the governor told her, no he wasn't going to resign. asked, why did you come back in the first place? she characterized the whole thing as bizarre and unpress dented. so that's kind of where we are. waiting for the next thing to happen. >> bizarre is a good word for it. thank you, msnbc's zach roth. much appreciate it. coming up new reports of deadly encounters between cops and civilians caught on camera are sparking outrage. will they turn the tide bon how we police the police? cyber security is one of thefineing

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any moment now, we're expecting president obama to speak on the growing threat that the country faces from hacking. his cyber security speech follows one by apple ceo tim cook and later today, the president will sign a sort of best practices executive order. which basically means guidelines for how companies and government can work together on the issue. now if you know anything about hacking and cyber security then you probably remember last year's hack attack on sony pictures and the company's initial decision not to release the movie "the interview" as a result. or perhaps you've been a victim of the growing number of hacks

targeting the companies you do business with which have exposed people's private data to potential fraud. it's a major threat but here's the problem. no one knows exactly where it draw the line between policing and privacy. today's speech and executive order along with a bill the white house proposed last month are an attempt to regulate the safe flow of information in a swamp of data that grows every time another smartphone, smartwatch, smartappliance, or smartcar is sold. the editor and chief of cnet connie, what are we expecting to hear from the president today and does what you know -- whatever you know of it, does it sound workable? >> so, we are know what the president is going to announce. the white house put out two fact sheets this morning, so if you go to whitehouse.gov and curious to see what he's going to lay out, read it all for yourself. basically it's a summary of what you just said. number one, he's going to talk about ways that companies and the government can share information. for many many years, a lot of

companies who were hacked or had some of their security breach kept that a secret because they didn't want to let it be known that their information systems were not as secure as they should be. obviously as technology has become a bigger and more important part of our lives and more people are living in this digital world, that is no longer a possibility. these companies need to share information when they know that they've been breached, obviously they need to share it with consumers, as in the cases of anthem, the second largest health care provider which was hacked. 80 million people were affected by that their social security numbers, names, other datea was taken. that raises the risk of identity thests theft for all of those people. so the president is wanting businesses and the government to come together to first of all start talking when they see signs of a threat and when they see something happening to start sharing information about that. >> right. and so -- at the same time, connie, the backdrop to this announcement today is that there

was this invite that went out to a lot of tech execs and there are some notable absences there. and there is one piece from the "hill" on this conference today that says the absence of leaders like mark zuckerberg of facebook, is notable. the snub between the obama administration and silicon valley matters in the wake of spying. another part two to that is a new software apple is rolling out, this new ios 8 firm that includes deep protection of information stored on apple mobile devices, so deep in fact, the "the new york times" reports that apple says has become technically impossible for it to comply with government warrants asking for customer information like photos, e-mail messages, contacts call history and notes to be extracted from devices. how much of this issue is government subpoenaing information that is on these devices? how much does that play into this cyber security issue? >> it's a huge issue, especially

here in silicon valley. so there are two things happening. what is being discussed on the stage right now obama, before him apple ceo tim cook talked about it as well and what's not being discussed which is silicon valley's unhappiness with the way the government asked them for information about the consumers. after the snowden revelations, google, facebook were unhappy with the idea that the government was accessing their data about customers without their permission or asking them to access their data. silicon valley has taken the approach that we want to protect our consumers' privacy. we're going to encrypt or scramble the data about our users so the government can't easily get access to it. that's what you're hearing in terms of software today. that's a problem for the government which wants to have access to that information. and then you have companies like facebook and google whose ceos are not in attendance. they're sending their chief security officers however, to

talk this afternoon, but they say if you want that information, go directly to the consumers. don't come to us. we don't want to breach consumers' privacy. >> it's interesting because it's so multilayered because some of the companies have their own issues with customers feeling they don't protect their privacy. it's so multilayered we could go on and on. we're out of time. thank you so much connie, of cnet. thank youing if for being here. >> the president is expected to speak at any minute. we'll monitor his remarks. let's get to three things to know on this friday. "the new york times" media columnist david carr died last night after collapsing in his office at the paper. he was known for his media equation column, and memoir about his fight with drug addiction. his name is trending posthumously since yesterday and counting. it's a top three google search right now. "the new york daily news" reports the driver of the car that crashed killing veteran cbs news correspondent bob simon may

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officer parker can be seen pushing this man on the ground who was in town visiting his son and doesn't speak english is now hospitalized and partially paralyzed from the incident. his attorney has reportedly filed a lawsuit arguing police used excessive force. meanwhile, anger is mounting over a deadly police-involved shooting this time in washington state. preparations are under way for more demonstrations today. demonstrators are outraged about this video recorded after police responded to a 911 call about a man who was allegedly hurling rocks at cars and people. in the cell phone footage the man appears to be running away before being shot and killed as he turned toward police. nbc we have the latest from pascal washington. >> joy, we've learned the fbi is monitoring the situation here in pasco where overnight a few more signs were placed at the memorial of the site of the shooting. all of this has sparked angry protests already with more on the way.

first, gun shots. then the chase. caught on camera by a witness who posted the video online. you can see pasco police running after a man who raises his arms above his head then turns around. that's when three officers opened fire a second time killing antonio zambrano. >> anybody that downloads it on youtube, they'll see it. that it wasn't justified. >> reporter: but police point to the moments before the video begins. when they say mantez was throwing rocks at cars hitting two officers and ignoring commands to sirurrender even after being tasered. they're promising a full investigation. >> we're here try to make sure we get the right information out. the public deserves that. >> reporter: his officers are meeting with protesters to help them prepare for the hundreds of people expected here saturday. >> justice, justice. >> reporter: the second demonstration in pasco since tuesday's shooting which the state's aclu calls very disturbing.

>> we have a situation here out west in this little town that doesn't justify a scene like that. you don't have to go as far as they did. >> reporter: it's the fourth deadly officer-involved shooting in six months in this small farming town where montez was arrested last year for trying to grab a policeman's gun. experts warn even with this video, the investigation into the officer's use of force may not be easy. >> when i look at a flat one-dimensional picture, i am acutely aware that the reality may differ. >> reporter: still a lot of questions, though joy, about what happened during this shooting. including questions about the mental state of the victim at the time. nbc news has learned the coroner's office may open an independent inquest similar to calling up a jury in order to look at the facts of the case. joy? >> nbc's hallie jackson in pasco, washington, thank you. with me now, the reverend al sharpton, host of "politicsnation" on msnbc and founder of the national action network. rev, thank you for being here

today. >> thank you. >> rev we now unfortunately these cases have become very familiar. the circumstances are familiar. even the fact that it's caught on tape. what does seem different in a way, rev, i don't know if you agree with this is the fact that it does seem that officials are at least trying to get ahead of it and trying to open investigations immediately. is that just a perception, or do you see that as a reality? >> i think we're beginning to see that officials are moving i think in no small measure because of many of us that have moved and have aggressively nonviolently marched and protested and kept this front and center, you even have the fbi director james comey making what i think was a very important, if not historic speech yesterday. we've never seen in history the fbi director addressing race and policing in a way that many of us were castigated for talking about it. so i think that we're seeing

more movement but we need to see those movement bear fruit and i think that at this point, when you see what has gone on in washington and pasco, washington, on tape when you have another case in alabama, when you see the indictment this week in brooklyn new york these are signs that things can change if we continue to pursue this as done as the fibbi director comey say make some hard decisions to deal with this and not continue to duck it. >> i'm glad you mentioned fbi director comey, rev. it does strike me he said a lot of the things you, yourself said activists around the black lives matter said, and eric holder has said and gotten castigated for. let me play a sound bite with the fbi director making, i agree with you, an unprecedented statement. >> all of us in law enforcement must be honest enough to acknowledge that much of our history is not pretty. at many points in american history, law enforcement enforced the status quo.

a status quo that was often brutally unfair to groups. >> rev that's important to me because we're talking about disfavored groups in the pasco shooting and alabama shooting not talking about african-american victims. we're talking about victims of color. why do you suppose there hasn't been the same kind of visceral negative reaction to what director comey said as when you've said it or let's say, eric holder has said the same thing? >> i think because it is very difficult for them to question the head of law enforcement for the federal government. even though he's saying in many ways the same things the same words, and rather than our saying see, i told you so now let's move the fact that he has acknowledged it and the environment was created, i think, by activists like black lives matter and young people protesting and civil rights groups like national action network or naacp. rather than say, i told you so now let's go toward solutions.

if you get this opening, let's make a difference and i think the eachening is there. we cannot miss this moment by a lot of meaningless gloating and finger pointing. we must move toward solutions. >> thank you very much rev, really appreciate it. thank you. reverend al sharpton. all right. thanks. of course, don't forget to watch rev on "politicsnation" tonight. president obama is now speaking to outline his executive actions that he's taking to combat the growing threat the country faces from hacking and he's in silicon valley at a summit that's also being attended by apple ceo tim cook. it has been snubbed by another of the tech giants. let's listen in. >> lead in the 21st century. so much of our economic competitiveness is tied to what brings me here today. that is america's leadership in the digital economy. it's our ability, almost unique

across the planet. our ability to innovate and to learn and to discover and to create and build and do business online. and stretch the boundaries of what's possible. that's what drives us. and so when we had to decide where to have this summit, the decision was easy because so much of our information age began right here at stanford. it was here where two students bill hewlett and dave packard met, then in a garage not far from here started a company that eventually built one of the first personal computers weighing in at 40 pounds. it was from here in 1968 where a researcher, douglas engelbart, astonished an audience with two computers connected online and

hypertex hypertext you could click on with something called a mouse. a year later a computer here received the first message from another computer. 350 miles away. the beginnings of what would eventually become the internet. and by the way, it's no secret that many of these innovations built on government-funded research is one of the reasons that if we want to maintain our economic leadership in the world, america has to keep investing in basic research and science and technology. it's absolutely critical. [ applause ] so here at stanford pioneers developed the protocols and architecture of the internet dsl, the first web page in america. innovations for cloud computing. student projects here became yahoo! and google. those were pretty good student projects. [ laughter ]

your graduates have gone on to help create and build thousands of companies that have shaped our digital society from cisco to sun micro systems. youtube to instagram. stubhub. according to one study, if all the companies traced back to stanford graduates formed their own nation, you'd be one of the largest economies in the world and have a pretty good football team as well. [ applause ] and today with your cutting-edge research programs and your new cyber initiatives, you're helping us navigate some of the most complicated cyber challenges we face as a nation. that's why we're here. i want to thank all of you who joined us today. members of congress representatives from the private sector, government academia privacy and consumer groups and especially the students who are

here. just as we're all connected like never before we have to work together like never before. both to seize opportunities, but also meet the challenges of this information age. and it's one of the great paradoxes of our time that the very technologies that empower was to do great good can also be used to undermine us. and inflict great harm. the same information technologies that help make our military the most advanced in the world are targeted by hackers from china and russia who go after our defense contractors and systems that are built for our troops. the same social media we use in government to advocate for democracy and human rights around the world can also be used by terrorists to spread hateful ideologies. so these cyber threats are a charge to our national security. much of our critical

infrastructure, our financial systems, our power grid health systems, run on networks connected to the internet which is hugely empowering, but also dangerous. and creates new points of vulnerability that we didn't have before. foreign governments and criminals are probing these systems every single day. we only have to think of real-life examples. air traffic control system going down and disrupting flights, or blackouts that plunge cities into darkness to imagine what a set of systemic cyber attacks might do. so this is also a matter of public safety. as a nation we do more business online than ever before. trillions of dollars a year. and high-tech industries like those across the valley support millions of american jobs. all this gives us an enormous competitive advantage in the

global economy. and for that very reason american companies are being targeted. their trade secrets stolen. intellectual property ripped off. the north korean cyber attack on sony pictures destroyed data and disabled thousands of computers and exposed the personal information of sony employees. and these attacks are hurting american companies and costing american jobs. so this is also a threat to america's economic security. as consumers, we do more online than ever before. we manage our bank accounts. we shop. we pay our bills. we handle our medical records. and as a country, one of our greatest resources are the young people who are here today. digitally fearless and unencumbered by convention and uninterested in old debates and

they're remaking the world every day, but it also means that this problem of how we secure this digital world is only going to increase. i want more americans succeeding in our digital world. i want young people like you to unleash the next waves of innovation and launch the next startups and give americans the tools to create new jobs and new businesses. and to expand connectivity in places that we currently can't imagine. to help open up new worlds and new experiences and empower individuals in ways that would seem unimaginable 10 15 20 years ago. that's why we're working to connect 99% of america's students to high-speed internet because when it comes to educating our children we can't afford any digital divides.

that's why we're helping more communities get across to the next generation of broadband faster with cheaper internet so that students and entrepreneurs and small businesses across america, not just in pockets of america, have the same opportunities to learn and compete as you do here in the valley. it's why i've come out so strongly and publicly for net neutrality, for an open and free internet. [ applause ] >> president obama in silicon valley to deliver a speech on cyber security getting big applause there for his high five of net neutrality and also talking about the new technologies we wants to see rolled out to american students to make sure we have connectivity across the internet for american competitiveness. he will, of course get to a cyber security piece of that speech coming up. we're going to continue to monitor that as it continues. all right. let's also get an update for you, the president earlier did mention -- i'm sorry, on another story that we've been following

moments ago, i spoke earlier in the show with yousef abu salha, brother of yuser and razan salha. the white house just released statement on behalf of the president and reads in part, "in addition to the ongoing investigationally local authorities, the fbi is taking steps to determine whether federal laws were violated. no one in the united states of america should ever be targeted because of who they are, what they look like or how they worship. michelle and i offer our condolences to the victims' loved ones." all right. meanwhile the defense deparent has approved hormone treatments for chelsey manning, the soldier convicted of leaking secrets. manning has been clinically diagnosed as transgendered and the army is obligated to provide and pay for her hormone treatments. she was first denied the treatment leading to a lawsuit. manning was convicted of leaking thousands of documents to wikileaks and during the timewhen

she was living at private first class bradley manning. the decision to provide who phone treatments is a first for the army. let's bring in jennifer a professor at barnart college, the first openly transgendered co-chair of g.l.a.d.'s national board of directors and author of "stuck in the middle with you." thank you for hanging with us through the breaking news as you were sitting here listening to the president with me. let's start, first of all, jen fefr fer, to the counterargument. i never read the comments but i've been reading comments under the stories about this and a lot of the gist are saying wait a minute chelsey manning when serving as bradley manning leaked thousands of thousands of documents, serving a 35-year sentence for what a lot of people would consider almost an attack on her own country. why should the taxpayers pay for what a lot of people see as a

non life threatening treatment? >> well, chelsey manning is being punished for what she did. she's got 35 years in leavenworth. and that's the fact. that's the punishment. but transgender health care is not special health care. it's the kind of health care that we -- that everyone gets and everyone deserves but it seems like a special thing when transgendered people need it. if she had a heart attack in prison, she would receive treatment. if she had diabetes she'd receive treatment. and so here's -- being transgendered should not be punishment. it's a fact. >> let's explain for people who don't understand and people who see transgender as you know i've seen a lot of descriptions online this is a lifestyle decision, this is something chelsey manning is deciding to do and should pay for on her own. talk a little bit about what body disforia is and explain to people who don't understand late into this lgbt movement.

>> a female, a transsexual woman like private manning is someone with a fundamental sense of themselves as female and most evidence seems to suggest it's hard wired in the brain, it's something that anyone could have and so she has it. i have it. and it's not a choice. it's a very difficult life. and no one would choose a life that is so so hard. having said that it's also worth saying that transgender lives should be celebrated for the gift that it can be. at any rate chelsey has this condition and deserves treatment. just like anyone else. >> and let's talk a little bit about sort of you have this kind of moment where you have these huge advances in rights for gay and lesbian couples, in terms of marriage now in 35 states legal. you have this microscopic and small atomized points of success

for trans women, of course, "orange is the new black." laverne is the big star. they're one off successes. do you feel that the "t" in the lgbt movement has been left behind in terms of advocacy and in terms of advances? >> we have been left behind. that's something i hope will change. this has been an incredible year for trans addvocacy and progress. you see laverne cox, and you see shows like "transparent" on television. we're beginning to be seen as human. deserving dignity and respect like anyone else. and so you know the private manning case is complicated because, you know, she is -- she has been convicted. she's serving time. but human rights don't end at the door of a jail cell. she's doing her time but that shouldn't be confused with the

fact that she deserves -- she deserves health care just like anyone else. >> all right. jennifer boylan, thank you so much for being here. >> of course. >> thank you. now, live from new york -- >> i will continue to run in the primaries. even if there are none. now for my second announcement. live from new york it's saturday night! >> that was chevy chase as only chevy chase could do gerald ford on sunday night. chase and the other not ready for primetime players will help celebrate "saturday night live's" 40th anniversary with a three-hour special. a show that began when johnny carson told nbc execs he did not want reruns of the "tonight show" to air on the weekends. "snl" helping to frame how we view politics and the goings on

in the world outside of comedy. james andrew miller is co-author of the book "live from new york: encensored history of saturday night live." >> thanks for having me. >> let's talk about how "saturday night live" went from being a goofy comedy show to a political touch stone, a way to make and break politicians. that really hurt gerald ford. >> a de facto branding of the candidate or president, and it kept on going through the generations to the point now i think if you're running for president, you almost automatically think i'm going to have to go on "saturday night live." >> you had iconic portrayals whether dana carvey being george h.w. bush mocking him in a way, of course, you have to include the sarah palin impression that a lot of people believe very much contributed to her downfall, her sort of cultural downfall. is "saturday night live" at this

point more than a comedy show? it's had its critics in terms of whether it's funny every year, of course. is it now as you said something presidential candidates actually need to fear? >> i think it's part of the political process. i interviewed senator mccain and governor palin about their appearances in 2008. senator mccain was very clear about the fact he felt like he had to go on. it's a great delivery system for young eyeballs and it's something that you know, you want to do to show that you can make fun of yourself and you can take some heat. >> and one of the other things i think, you know "saturday night live" has done and it's been iconic for is really confronting issues of race in a forthright way. i think a lot of people think about the funny portrayals you saw eddie murphy doing but the even more in your face richard pryor era, he wasn't on there very long. how did that play out? it wasn't always, like loved by the executives, right? especially the richard pryor part of it. >> absolutely. the chevy chase/richard pryor sketch was amazeing. it sent a strong signal "saturday night live" was going

to be an outlier of sorts in terms of network television. it was going to go to places no other show went to. they still continue to try to do that. >> and you wrote the definitive i think it's fair to say, book on "snl." it's quite a volume. a lot of really terrific quotes in it. it's really interesting to read. what are you most looking forward to seeing in the 40th an anniversary special or who? >> look eddie murphy wasn't around for the 25th anniversary. think it's spectacular that he went that he's coming sunday night. i think one of the great things about sunday night is going to be you're going to get to see different generations of talent cast members, and guest hosts and everything else mix it all up. you know, they kept it under wraps but i think it's going to be pretty exciting. >> all right. thank you very much, james miller. really appreciate it. >> thanksing if having me. >> be sure to -- tonight on "politicsnation" the rev reverend al sharpton

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as we come on the air, president obama is out west meeting with businessowners about cyber security threats and how the government can work with the private sector to combat one of the greatest threats that we face. moments ago, the president issued an executive order aimed at forming a united firewall if you will to fight cyber attackers. the order encourages information sharing between the government and the private sector. creating rules of the road. it will put homeland security in the lead role replacing the embattled nsa. this announcement cannot come soon enough for businesses and the public at large. 85 million records were exposed last year to hackers. u.s. intelligence officials have now labels cyber threats as the number one compromise to national security even more serious than terrorism. nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker joins us. the administration is taking this threat very seriously. >> reporter: they certainly are, abby. in fact, senior administration officials say that it is one of the defining challenges of the