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substantiated just imagine. >> thanks for watching "the cycle." have a great day. fbi director james combmy says it is time for hard truths as new incidents highlight the hard reality for people confronted by police. it is friday february 13th and this is "now." >> justice. justice. >> demonstrators in washington are vowing to hit the streets every night. >> police officers fatally shot a man who at one point was running away from them. >> we don't prejudge. we do the investigation. >> he allegedly through rocks at them in passing cars. >> in alabama, a police officer is facing assault charges for an aggressive takedown. >> an incident involving an
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officer and a grandfather visiting from india. >> he did nothing more than walking up and down the street. >> he's still not walking. he has limited function in his left leg. >> all of us in law enforcement must be honest enough to acknowledge that much of our history is not pretty. many people in our white majority culture have unconscious racial biases and react differently to a white face than a black face. >> a day after fbi director james combmy declared the u.s. is at a crossroads at how it approaches race and policing two new cases of police brutality are sparking outrage across the country. police shot a mexican born
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orchard worker who was found throwing rocks at a busy intersection. police deployed a taser to no effect. he runs away before turning to face police as they open fire. all three officers have their weapons raised although it is unclear if all fired. police say two of the officers were hit with rocks in the incident. the three officers have been placed on administrative leave and the department is promising a full investigation. meanwhile, in alabama a police officer has been charged with assault after an encounter that left a 57-year-old indian grandfather temporarily paralyzed. the incident happened last friday just one week after he arrived in madison, alabama from india to visit his son and newborn grandchild. he was stopped while walking through his son's neighborhood after police say a neighbor called to report a suspicious
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person. patel replied no english when police demanded to know what he was doing. another police car arrives and you can see patel being thrown to the ground. later when police try lifting patel, he is unable to stand up. a lawsuit filed yesterday claims patel's injuries include partial paralysis. shortly after the suit was filed, the madison police chief is recommending the officer be fired. that decision is left up to the city council. joining me now is a former professor at georgetown university and professor of law and police studies and john jay college. eugene i would like to start with you first. in terms of your reaction to these two pieces of videotape,
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what do you think? >> some of the situations -- two things happen to the police sometimes. they engage when they shouldn't or they fail to disengage. frankly, you have people with mental health issues. people who are stressed and acting irrationally. >> patel was an indian grandfather walking down the street not apparently engaging in anything other than walking down the street, right? >> there's things about the police culture that are hard to fix, but there are things that are surprisingly hard to fix and one of them is the whole idea of rough housing of people. sometimes it is verbal and sometimes it is more than
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verbal, but that is unacceptable. we have to teach the police clearly better with 18,000 police departments. we have to start getting to some national standards. we probably need to look more in investing in not only initial training, but good mentoring. good police people should lead in organizations. >> the fact that indian grandfather was isolated in this is also a story about race and community. police were called because someone in that neighborhood identified him as a skinny black guy walking around the neighborhood. he said he was following the guy from a distance and was afraid to leave for work and leave his wife and child at home.
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>> the caller was deeply racially paranoid. it sounds like the circumstance that led to the shooting of john crawford in ohio. certainly it reflects that person's own biases and perceptions. i will say even with that right, narrative given to police this really is a failure of police training and definitely a reflection of i think -- what i find very troubling behavioral training among police. they move immediately to the use of force to try to get compliance. there's no attempt in the case of this indian grandfather to try to figure out how to communicate with this guy. there's just a he's not listening. we have to use force. if that's your standard, then ir
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you're going to get to the point where people are hurt and killed because police officers are operating under this idea that is next step in any interaction. >> if we go to pascoe washington antonio was throwing rocks. there is some video footage of that but there is the fundamental question should that be met with gunfire. i think a lot of folks, especially the community and the aclu say that is an excessive use of force. legally speaking the community is very angry, but what kind of recourse do you see in an incident like this? >> legally speaking not only is it bad police work for which these people need to be fired, they also need to be put in jail. it is a crime to shoot at someone who is running away from you. we talk about police training. these are situations that police encounter all the time. the man in seattle seems to be
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mentally ill. guess what? a lot of people call the police on folks who have mental illness. they don't act rationally. police need to find better ways to deal with them than shooting them and often they do. it was so important to hear the fbi director say yesterday that men of color, people of color, get treated differently. when law enforcement officers look at them look at us they don't treat us the same way they would treat a white mentally ill person. that needs to be fixed. >> i thought it was great that the fbi director came out and said what he did and managed to gain the ear of law enforcement officials. a lot of times when this subject is addressed, it has the unfortunate, you know, effect of alienating one side or the other. when he taked ed talked about the
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concept of a mental shortcut when they see an african-american face -- here are two cases where black people are not involved. this is bigger than just black versus white. this is about maybe just communities of color or the immediate, as you pointed out, the de facto position to go for force. how do you begin to change that and how do you begin to have that conversation on police forces? >> by not demonizing the cops. you have to look at the police forces of america and see there is a tremendous number of idealistic people in these places and we have to replicate them and we have to make them the example. the conversation gets too tribal too quickly when everything becomes just the police are bad. the conversation the last few months has not been helpful. hopefully we can replicate the good police people. i personally think the department of justice, the federal prosecutors' offices, i
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am very impressed with where they are as a race-free zone. that's what we have to be in policing. i think we have to create a national police owned campaign. lights out on racism in law enforcement. you can have any politics you want. but overt expressions of racism there should not be any place in policing to say out loud violent, racist things. i hope the justice department is a bright light in our country. >> what was your reaction to the fbi director's marks yesterday? >> i thought on balance they were very good.
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there were parts i would quibble with or disagree with. one of the statements he said was to say that whenever you call police they always come. we know from research that in many predominantly african-american neighborhoods and latino neighborhoods police response is slower in comparable white neighborhoods. on one hand there's a feeling they are over policed. their children and their spouses and friends have too much contact with police. on the other end, there is a feeling and a belief that they aren't policed enough. when police are needed, they aren't there. so it seems that you're getting the worst part of the law enforcement experience, but none of what makes law enforcement necessary. >> i think there's also something to be said -- maybe it goes to that point.
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they are too close in certain instances and too far away in others. professor butler one of the things the fbi director proposed yesterday was it is hard to hate up close. there needs to be a stronger closer like authentic interaction, if you will between police officers and the communities they are trafficked with protecting. how feasible do you think that is? >> it is so important because now there really is a siege mentality on the part of communities of color and on the part of police of feeling like here we are to serve and protect and they don't like us. what are we doing wrong? the director is right. most of the cops are hard working people who have some of the toughest jobs in the world. if you don't like black people, you're not going to be a cop in a place like new york city or st. louis. we do have to just get these folks closer together but part of that is training. the concerns that african-americans,
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asian-americans, latinos have, their legit they're legitimate. we're not making this up about the police. >> great to see you guys. thanks for your time. this afternoon, president obama released a statement offering condolences to the families of the victims in this week's triple shooting in chapel hill north carolina. three muslim students were shot and killed on tuesday outside an apartment complex after an ongoing dispute with a neighbor of what they say was parking. he noted the fbi is taking steps to determine whether federal laws may have been violated. he added as we saw with the overwhelming presence at the funeral of these young americans, we are all one american family. after the break, a major political shakeup as a
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we have some breaking news to report. in the last hour oregon governor announced he will be resigning from office. this comes after weeks of speculation about his ability to lead amidst two legal investigations. what is the latest? >> the governor sends out a statement announcing his resignation, which will be effective february 18th at 10:00 a.m. he denied any wrong doing, any legal acts but it was kind of
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an angry statement. he said he had been charged, tried, convicted, and sentenced in the media. he blamed what he called an es escalateing media frenzy for shutting him down. kate brown taking over. she's kind of a progressive. she's been very supportive of expansive voting laws and rules. she'll also be the first openly lgbt governor in the nation. >> thanks for the update zach. coming up which supreme court justice is pre-game the state of the union? were there more spanx or shirtless shots in "fifty shades of grey"? that's next.
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isil is going to lose. >> just days ago, the commander and chief describes the ongoing fight against isis in encouraging, almost optimistic terms. but the road to destroying isis is looking increasingly long. today isis attacked the al assad military base where americans are stationed. iraqi security forces guarding the base killed all of the attackers, but not before some of the suicide bombers were able to detonate their vests. there are no indications of u.s. or iraqi casualties. it comes one day after isis seized large pieces of al baghdadi. isis fighters captured an iraqi
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army commander and were killing local civilians. iraqi security forces supported by apache helicopter pushed isis back. isis maintains aspirations for the region. joining me now is foreign correspondent ayman moe-- it will shock and dismay a lot of people that isis has tangentially spread its tentacles in afghanistan. >> this ideology is spreadingist a -- spreading itself across the
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region. isis in the form of groups and ideology has spread to other countries. we have seen it in libya, where they have taken hostages and paraded them. this is a group whose ideology continues to grow. it is not checked. some of these countries it is spreading fast. now that it is in afghanistan where the u.s. lost so many lives, where billions of dollars have been spent, is going to be troubling in more ways than one. >> when the president said as he did, announcing his amuf that isis is on the defensive -- or isil is on the defensive and isil is going to lose i guess i wonder where that assessment is based. do you have any idea? >> if i could just weave my answer in response to the
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question you asked aayman. i don't think isis is posing any realistic threat to afghanistan. there are serious rivalries between isis and al qaeda. they share a common ideology. there are times when they try to work together but right now they are competing for top dog status. to the extent that isis claims it is infiltrateing afghanistan, i think it is going to meet local option. there are a lot of problems in afghanistan, don't get me wrong, but i don't think isis is near the top of the list. >> last year 3,188 after cans ss ss -- afghans were killed. >> 3,000 in afghanistan over a year is probably an under estimate. it is less violent than mexico
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and colombia and iraq at its worst. you have to keep these numbers in perspective. it is essential to worry about and it is more serious than the isis threat in afghanistan. i think the president has to recognize that his strategy looks better in some places than in others. in iraq, you point out correctly that there are some serious concerns. overall, iraq is not the most problematic place. it is syria. in syria, we have no viable strategy because we have no viable ally. we don't have a fighting force that we can partner with. we just have some limited american air power. syria is a place where the president's statement has to be questioned most severely. >> to answer that question, where do you think his assess assessment on isil is coming from, what do you think that is rooted?
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>> most of the towns in iraq that have changed hands lately have changed hands in favor of the government and isis has lost. cocoa kobani is one of those places. here i'll come back and circle and agree with ayman's point that we have to worry about movements in libya and in the future mali and then nigeria. the broader al qaeda movement is not on the defensive. >> nowhere is that more clear than in yemen where aqap looks like they have taken over. the gains that this administration thought had been made in yemen have been wholly reverse reversed. yemen is on the verge of becoming a failed state. >> you can make that argument already that yemen is a failed
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state. what you have emergeing there is a very bad situation. houthi rebels now control it. the fact that you have a central government that has all but collapsed gives al qaeda in the arabian peninsula a chance to remerge. the u.s. is continuing drone strikes, but in absence of a true partner on the ground to rely on the air force or air power to try and destroy an organization we have seen is not successful. you will need at some point to challenge it and the united states has in the past several years tried to partner up with these allies. without those partners, simply relying on drone strikes only makes the situation worse. you don't destroy the
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organization enough to the point that you can actually say it is now completely contained and not posing a risk. >> it is a complicated time. thank you both for your time. just ahead, facebook is helping you make digital plans for the afterlife. that's next on "now."
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ones. you can designate someone to manage your facebook page after you die. "fifty shades of grey" opened last night. the main character reviews a total of eight spankings in the movie and dornan plays the piano shirtless in a total of two scenes. joining me now, my guests. thank you guys for joining me on this brilliant -- no doubt brilliant recap of what happened. let's just start. eddy i'll give you a pass unless you want to jump in. on "fifty shades of grey," when it began as a phenomenon women
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were reading it because it was an ebook. you didn't have to go to the store to buy it. >> exactly. >> it is like porn in hotel rooms. >> you can just do it in the privacy of your hotel room but now it is in the movie theaters. women are flocking to see it. no longer is the shame of the novel casting aspersions on women. >> it is really kind of a letdown. >> you can find better stuff. >> not saying we do. >> 100 million people bought it. >> i know. >> so it had something. >> i think 100 million people are having really boring sex. if that is considered sexy i
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feel personally real good. >> in my sample group, my married friends were like drooling for that book. >> men have many outlets for sexual fantasy. instruct her readily available online and elsewhere. i don't feel like -- society publicly it is not seen as acceptable for women to be reading and consumeing this stuff. >> and i think it is unhealthy. i will use my own personal and limited experience. >> being a woman or -- >> some women take the mask off. i want to be choked. i want to be pinched. i want to be bitten. i think being able to go to a movie theater and watch something about it and have a conversation may alleviate some
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of these things. at my restaurant sometimes people want hot sauce. i can't give you the hot sauce. in the bedroom sometimes, i'm like i can't give you the hot sauce they want. >> you'd rather know if they want to hot sauce. >> they ought to be able to talk in public about what they want. >> and know where their limits are. >> honey, i can't do that. >> we'll move on. >> i want to know more about hot sauce. >> it is also whiplash. it makes you uncomfortable. "fifty shades of grey" does something similar to sex. >> there's a whole narrative about women who want to be dominated. ruth bader ginsburg discloses the reason -- >> sauced. >> very good -- her state of the
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union slumber. she was not 100% sober thanks to some fine california wine approximate justice brought to a pre-address dinner. this same thing happened in 2013 and she fell asleep in the 2010 state of the union as well. in 2010 she had the exact same excuse. >> she likes her wine and i love her. this makes me love her more. i love the fact that her grandchildren are like what happened. you fell asleep. >> i find this disturbing. the supreme court is an incredibly powerful body. there are questions about her health. >> moderate amounts of wine is healthy. >> but passing out a major -- >> or napping. >> i think that was more of a nap. >> people talk about her health. no one has ever raised her question about her ability to
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reason or the sharpness of her often dissent. her mind is there. >> i'm still more worried about scalia. >> sober or not? >> scalia if he started drinking more i think he would be better at what he does. >> her chumminess with is a leescalia -- >> you have to drink domestic wines? >> speaking about drinking the new study -- there is a new study. colorado is reaping the benefits of its $700 million weed industry. new data from the national highway traffic administration shows that stoned drivers are a lot safer than drunk ones. were you surprised when you heard this? >> i will use my special experience. i am not surprised at all. i smoke weed and drove in high
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school. i was totally fine. you drive slower. >> i don't know from personal experience, but i have friends who may have gotten behind the wheel after smoking a doobie or two, that you do drive slower. >> call a cab. let's just not experiment with it. >> it doesn't make it anymore dangerous. it just doesn't effect it. >> again, we are not endorsing this. >> if we're going to use statistics and look at it, if it is telling us it didn't make you a more dangerous driver what is the reasoning? >> you might be going to jail for not being stoned. >> they're just bad drivers. >> you can can't measure the level of highness yet.
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>> we will be able to. >> we will. >> some people who get high frequently -- just some people. >> again, we're not encouraging people to test this idea. experimentation, this is not one of them. do not try it. >> when i dress myself this is what happens. >> i am moving on to i think a story that i find very dismaying, if i can even say that but also self-curious. new facebook policy allows you to appoint a guardian, a legacy contact, to manage your facebook page after you die. i will tell you when i buy an airplane ticket and they say, i need the name and number of somebody who will not be on your
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flight that is too much mortality mortality. it is depressing but probably really practical. >> i have to put a plug in for my new favorite show, "black mirror." mirror." this is only half creepy. that show is the full creepy. >> so much of our lives in the next decades is going to be ever more in the digital world. it totally makes sense that you would want someone to manage it and not have your accounts just sort of -- >> but who would manage it? >> i would designate a friend. i would designate the fat jude. >> would you want it closed
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down? >> i would him to parody me. >> so you can live forever online. >> yeah through somebody else. >> would you take mine? >> i'll take yours over. >> totally crazy after the year 2075, she got crazy. she got really into rap music. >> and wine with ruth bader ginsburg. >> i'm not ready to address the possibility that i will die someday. who is the "snl" character each one of you would like to see the most? >> this is a downer too. gilda radner.
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>> the episode that me and my father laugh eded at the first time together. >> eddie murphy. >> we're going to leave it there for now. that was riotous. thank you guys all. >> thank you. coming up what country has set this as a national goal? led us build a fairyland for people by science. that's next. hot chocolate stand calling winter an "underserved season". and before he quit his friend's leaf-raking business for "not offering a 401k." larry knew the importance of preparing for retirement. that's why when the time came he counted on merrill edge to streamline his investing and help him plan for the road ahead. that's the power of streamlined connections. that's merrill edge
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elections matter. president obama has proven that. that is how david axelrod sums up his experience in national politics in his new memoir but the former white house adviser is not entirely bullish on the political process. he writes i deeply regret we couldn't change the rancid politics of washington. it is a bitter irony. it wound up only exacerbating the problem. he explains it is not just the politicians who bear
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responsibility for the current climate, but a passive citizenry. that and its disgust has walked away from politics all together. joining me now is the author of "believer" david axelrod. i found those two passages pretty provocative. i wonder if you think there are choices this administration could have made in particularly at the beginning of this president's term in the white house that maybe could have changed the political divide in our system. >> when we came to office we had this crisis that we had to deal with. a calamity of historic proportions in our economy, and
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we had to act. on the other side you had a very shrewd leader in mitch mcconnell and a couple of others there who understood we had swept in large democratic majorities. we were going to have to make some very difficult and unpopular decisions to shore up the economy. some of this was baked in the cake. i think at the margins, could we have done a better job over the years of reaching out? probably. probably so but i have made the point also we were never one beer or golf game away from peace and harmony in washington. there was a strategy there on the other side. i'm not going to run away from any complicity in it but i'm not sure there's anything that we could have done that would change the basic dynamic, because i think it was a strategic decision. >> i have not finished it i
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will admit. parts of it are incredibly very honest, which is not often the case with political -- >> you sound shocked. >> because there are a lot of political memoirs out there that don't offer much in truism and honesty. there are moments between you and the president that are trying. there's outside speculation about what went on. one of those in particular is the debate prep in 2012 against mitt romney. the president had a tough time in that first debate. you recall that he sort of was disdainful of what the artifice of what the process demanded of him. at one point when you were going to critique his debate skills in practice, the president indicated he had enough. he had heard already enough and called you something i cannot say on this program and
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suggested that you were never happy. >> even on this avant-garde show we can't say what he said. this was the night before the first debate. he had been prepping for weeks and weeks and weeks because we had fears. every president has had trouble with the first debate and we wanted to escape that. the night before we had a run through. john kerry was playing mitt romney. we, as a group, thought it went very badly. my colleagues designated me to deliver the news. when the president said i think that went pretty well, what do you think. when i told him what i thought, he told me what he thought too about my advice and he stormed out. it was the only time we had an exchange like that. what it was wasn't so much his frustration with me, i think, but his frustration with his own knowledge that we really weren't
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ready for this debate. we weren't going in in good shape and history bore that fear out, i think. >> was he a willing student in so far as he was a student for moments like this? >> his feeling about these debates was they were kind of theater and not genuine exchanges and that bothered him. he at first kind of rejected that form. presidential debates are not discussions. they're performances where people come with set pieces and they do their side by sides to get their messages across. mitt romney had his down in that first debate. the president was, as i said in the book disdainful of that kind of artifice but he realized we had some tough moments going into the second debate where we had to have an intervention. he finally buckled down and kind of diagrammed out how he was going to answer each question. it was a struggle to get him
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there because he does resist some of those kind of form eweyuformulaic demands of politics. >> it is a great read david. >> thank you. >> congratulations on it. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for your time. i know you are very busy and i appreciate it. >> i appreciate being here. coming up, kim jong un-un wants to turn north korea into a country of mushrooms. more on that next. is it okay to drop a connection, when you need it most? if you're not on the largest, most reliable network, what are you giving up?
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