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everyone. welcome to weekends with el axe wit. a major snowstorm threatening new england with a blizzard warning in effect ahead of a storm expected to intensify saturday night into sunday. it is expected to have the intensity of a category 2 hurricane and it can bring more than a foot of fresh snow 70-mile-per-hour wind gusts and coastal flooding. with so much snow still on the ground many are in disbelief. >> still really no sidewalks. everybody is walking in the streets, the bus stops. huge mountains of snow. can't see. yeah. it's ridiculous. >> we know we're going to get at least 10 inches of snow. hopefully no more than that. i don't know where we would put it. >> well that's because so far boston has received almost 80 inches of snow this winter which is close to its record of 107.6 inches. cold air will certainly accompany this storm. on sunday morning, subzero low temperatures are expected for

the great lakes, upstate new york and northern new england. dr. greg postel is here with more. good morning, greg. >> thanks alex. a major blizzard headed towards the northeast. the national weather service, from long island through maine. winter storm warnings on the backside of the west guys. this will include a lot of people with bitterly cold temperatures, strong winds and a lot of snow. beginning today, a little bit of a clipper system moves through. bricks light snow. in ernest the big stuff happens tonight with blizzard conditions likely along the northeast coast and continuing through much of tomorrow including eastern massachusetts, new hampshire and maine as well. this is a big time storm dropping significant snowfall guys. look at the numbers across the region. with perhaps a foot and a half in down east maine. a foot in boston. much less snow amounts. new york in the order of three to five. less than that in philly.

it's not just the bitter cold and the snow. it is also the wind that could lead to power outages, guys. look at the winds with gusts over 50 miles per hour. all the way from the mid atlantic to the northeast. this storm has all the hazards. unfortunately many of them are potentially life threatening how bad could it get in boston? meteorologist reynolds wolf is there with that >> reporter: alex here we go again. deja vu. this is the third major winter storm through this region. certainly affecting boston with the last couple ones. you see the post-it notes, the tell tale signs. still piled up around boston. here at this intersection of dartmouth. you can see heavy snow. big piles of it. i'm 6'4" or so. ones a few blocks away. keep in mind the next several hours, clear skies will be replaced. the clouds will bear some snow

quite a bit at times. possibly up to a foot in some locations. then the wind will come through. blizzard conditions to be expected by tomorrow morning. keep in mind with some of the strong winds along the coast, alex, could see coastal flooding. huge issues. other big issues in terms of mass transit in boston everything brought to a stand still at 12:50 tomorrow morning. then at that point no trolleys buses, trains, ferryboats. everything brought to a screeching halt. that is the third time all due to a brutal winter. >> sounds like people are just going to be stuck. we'll check in with ron mott in just a few minutes. look at those pictures. >> well meantime, a new call from president obama urging private companies to help the government crack down on threats to the internet. he made the remarks at the white house on cybersecurity in silicon valley.

in an exclusive with tech website recode the president stressed the need for better information sharing. >> the government has to be able to not only work with each individual company we've got to be able to pull the companies together so they're working together more effectively. one of the things that makes it such a challenging problem is all you need is one weak link. >> kristen with a good morning to you. we learned about the president's tech habits too, right? >> reporter: alex good morning to you. we absolutely did, that's right. president obama said he actually watches sports highlights on his ipad. he said when it comes to work he still uses the old-fashioned blackberry. listen to more of what president obama had to say. >> you're still with the blackberry, right? >> i use a blackberry mainly because i'm so restricted in what i can do. >> right. >> that it's basically just messages. and it's still easier for me to

tap. basically most of my non-work-related stuff i'm working off the ipad. >> alex president obama said his daughters also use the ipad quite a bit. back to that issue of cyber security. president obama signed an executive order on friday calling for better information sharing between the federal government and the tech industry. that is going to be a tough challenge. the reason there are a lot of tensions between the government and the tech industry particularly in the wake of the revelations exposed by edward snowden spying on the part of the government. the president said he tried to update the laws when it comes to cyber security and technology. he said in the case of the nsa we were a little slow. tech experts say the white house needs the tech industry in this endeavor. they say the tech industry at this point still does not trust the white house. a sign of that apple ceo tim

cook was the only top tech ceo to attend that cyber security. it will be a lot of slow long work ahead. >> and tim cook say we risk something far more valuable than money when we talk about giving up a bit of privacy. in other news now, new shelling in eastern ukraine as russian-backed separatists make a last minute grab for territory. a cease-fire goes into effect tomorrow. heavy weapons will be pulled out of the region. 5,000 have been killed since that conflict broke out a year ago an act sell rant was used at an islamic community center on friday. a group is call into a probe whether it is the result of a hate crime. no one was inside the building at the time. no one was hurt a north carolina teenager in a photo that went viral got a new job. 15-year-old moore is now an employee at chick-fil-a.

he was photographed by a shopper at a target store recently. he was looking for a time. the employees helped him find one and gave advice for how to nail the interview. a picture of the act of kindness got 50,000 likes on facebook. >> what has happened between these two weeks has been amazing. >> it's not terribly surprising to say this has resonated with so many people around the nation and around the world. this is a great story. a a great story about people helping other people. people they don't know. >> as soon as i get my paycheck i'm going to thank them and get them a gift. >> she had target employees treated her son with dignity and respect. well done. back to the blizzard threatening bostonment the people there are fed up with all the snow. nbc's ron mott is there as well. with a good morning to you on this chilly day, what are the locals telling you? >> reporter: hey there, alex good morning. a lot of us are wondering whether this snow will ever melt. they have a good reason to feel that way.

it is 3 degrees right now this morning. and this cold air is expected to stay around for a while. the thought of adding even more snow to all of this is simply becoming a head scratcher. when push comes to shoveling, bostonians are ready but also growing tired of the fight. >> the whole city should have been shut down. it's insane. >> it is stages of grief. i'm accepting it now. i know there's more on the way. >> as much as another foot or more of snow which is why store aisles are jammed whether shopping for supplies or milk and bread. >> i'm staying inside as much i can and trying never to go outside unless i absolutely have to. >> overhead snow coverage is overwhelming. just about everywhere you look. now that temperatures have plunged, moving it around has become much tougher. when the snow and wind meet later today, whiteout conditions are expectd. massachusetts governor charlie baker urging people to stay off

the roads starting saturday night. in the meantime national guard troops have joined is the snow battle as the big dig continued in ernest. >> it's getting to the point where i'm starting to worry about the snow on the roof and the weight of it just building up. >> reporter: no piling on here says one sign. if you're traypraying for snow please stop. well you have to keep your humor about you when you are living under these conditions. one silver lining, it's happening over the weekend so the demand for mass transit is not as much as it would be during the week. so they closed service on the t. >> i can't believe you're reporting with a smile on your face ron. just walking into is the building here today, it was freezing. >> reporter: the smile is frozen. >> you have tears coming down your face when you're walking, right? that kind of thing. oh, it's just awful. >> reporter: exactly. >> keep smiling. thank you very much ron mott

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the families of u.s. citizens who have been held by militants in the middle east are raising questions about u.s. government policy towards hostages. austin ties has been held in syria two years now, they are appealing to the government to be more proactive in efforts to free hostages. >> there need to be someone made accountable directly for the safe return of hostages. we think someone reporting directly to the president. >> this comes just a week after the death of aide worker kayla mueller. she has been held by isis since

2013. she was killed in a jordanian air strike but that has not been confirmed. steven, with a welcome to you. >> good morning. >> can you put in perspective, how strained is the relationship between hostage families and the administration? >> well i wouldn't want to overstate the strain. i think that every one of the hostage families that i know of has both cooperation and truss tradition with the government because they are doing everything they possibly can at the most human level to get their loved ones out. and you both have the federal government, which is not designed as the tice family just said, to have a kind of department of hostages. and at the same time the government, and i understand the reasons why, doesn't want to do things that contribute to the marketplace for hostages which exist in the world. isis makes about $30 million a year right now, perhaps more on kidnapping people and selling them back to either governments or their loved ones.

i understand and i empathize with the families completely. and i actually think we ought not to threaten them with possible criminal action in trying to do everything they can. that's what we do today. we say we could hold them accountable for providing ransoms. but the federal government can't and shouldn't provide ransoms. >> this policy of no negotiations has been called into question by the parents of james foley. let's take a listen to this. >> the problem is that leaves us only with military enter is intervention. that's a simplistic approach. isis always knows it's going to come sooner rather than later. >> based on what you were just saying steven european governments have released the negotiation of hostages. why has the u.s. been so reluctant to negotiate. >> they pay ransoms.

they say they but they do. david rhodes said we need to coordinate between european governments who are willing to pay and those who are not. the qatary government intervened on our behalf and negotiated and successfully got peter theo curtis released. his family and others were involved with that as well. no ransom was paid to my knowledge. in those arenas there are different players. i think the u.s. government doesn't want to validate or recognize an organization like isis or its claims. but that doesn't mean we can't work with others. i would like to see saudi arabia bahrain, kuwait come involved. they often have family networks tied into those and can provide better leverage than the united states government can. let's be clear, the europeans pay ransoms. that has contributed to the marketplace for ransoms. and i think there's a big

problem there. >> yeah. the president in his formal request to congress wrote it is responsible for the deaths of u.s. citizens james foley, steven sotloff, abdul and kayla mueller. if left unchecked it's illing pose a threat for the united states homeland. they have not kept communication lines open to them. >> well, again, i -- i think that -- being close to some of these families, i think it goes both ways. i think you can have points of frustration that the families have had. i happen to know this white house -- look dennis mcdonough accidentally said kayla mueller's name.

they were trying to keep it out of media. it showed how high level she was to the president of the united states well before anyone else knew her name. i guess i would in a friendly way dispute the notion that the federal government isn't deeply concerned about any one of these. i know john mccain talked with the mueller family throughout all of these problems. but there is no quiksilver bullet formula to getting a hostage out when someone like isis has taken them. we need a broader discussion of practices about what we are willing to do. it wouldn't be a bad thing to have someone within the realm begin to look at how do you begin to deal with hostage negotiations. >> okay. steven clemmons always good to speak to you. thanks so much. >> thanks, alex. >> should the u.s. reconsider its policy on not paying ransoms? back state side an ethic

scandal has brought down oregon's governor. hallie, with a good morning to you, what do we know about? >> we are learning more about governor kitzhaber. this is the latest twist in a political saga capping off a week that has seen plenty. new subpoenas looking for e-mails and phone records show the justice department is now investigate issing whether governor john kitzhaber broke the law. his political career brought down by allegations against his fiancee after he steps down. >> he's done good by this state for 36 to 40 years. so let's not that one moment here today define him. that is totally not fair. >> analysts call it a shocking

fall from grace for one of the state's most reliable politicians, elected to an unprecedented four terms. in the last four months new questions surfaced about whether his first lady sylvia hayes, tried to leverage their relationship to make money from firms hoping to do business with the statement revelations she broke laws two decades ago by accepting money to marry an 18-year-old ethiopian man who wanted a green card. kitzhaber has insisted he did nothing wrong, calling it deeply troubling. >> a person can be charged, tried, convicted and sentenced by the media with no due process. >> this is truly a sad day for the state of oregon. >> his successor, secretary of state kate brown, will be sworn in next week becoming the country's first openly by sexual governor. and while gay rights advocates acknowledge she'll make history, the more important thing is she

is supremely capable of leading the state to better days ahead. as for that criminal investigation, the state has until march 10th to return the documents requested in the subpoena, alex. the fbi, by the way, not commenting on any of this which is not atypical given some of this information could end up in the hands of a grand jury. alex? >> hallie jackson, thanks for that. a big breakup in the retail world this valentine's day. what it means for you the next time you check out at costco. nabbed. booked. locked up. case closed? you don't know "aarp." because the aarp fraud watch network means everyone can protect themselves and their families from scams and identity theft. with local alerts, tips from law enforcement and the inside scoop from former con artists.

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in today's three big money headlines, split decision facebook legacy and coca-cola milk. the author of a new book that offers a 12 step plan to getting your financial plan today. not going to say the name but it is catchy. let's start here with split decision. what is with the breakup between costco and american express. >> i'm sorry it's valentine's day but big corporate breakup. this is a 16-year relationship. breakup is hard to do in the corporate world as well. especially since there was this long love affair that included checkout with alex but also this co-branded cards that will go away by march of next year. now, it remains to be seen what costco's new credit card strategy will be whether or not they will go into another exclusive relationship.

or they will start dating around and court other credit card players. but in a lot of breakups there's a clear winner and a loser. in this case the loser really is amex. because other deals like this are going away. they're going through a round of layoffs. costco is the big winner because it shows their clout that they can bookie from a deal like this. >> can you use them somewhere else? >> you can until march of next year. >> facebook legacy. what's the decision a users can make about the fate of their membership? >> you don't want to think about what will happen to your facebook after you die. they are giving you three options. so the first option is do nothing and leave it as-is, which is the fact that they can memorialize your facebook page if there is proof that you die. the second option you can ask facebook to delete your account altogether when you die. or the third option is you can

designate someone to manage your account for you, which is a legacy contact so they can manage the posts for you and people can post updates as well. but they don't let those go on to your other friends's feeds. because that's pretty morbid and tough. >> actually tasteless. nicole how about this. coca-cola milk. why is is this getting so much business and what is it? >> well a lot of people are moving away from the soft drinks. so coca-cola is trying to get hip to this trend and come out with a super milk which is 50% more protein, 50% less sugar, 30% more calcium. now it sounds great. a lot of nutritionists, though alex, are slamming this saying sugar in milk? we don't really think that's a big concern in the first place. and we're already getting enough protein. but coke really wants to get into this healthy beverage space. they have one of your favorites,

the simply juice lines. but this premium special milk has a premium price. it's double the amount of regular milk. so about $4 for less than a gallon. >> we'll see what happens with that. nicole, thanks very much. good to see you more on the massive blizzard that is set to dump more snow on new england. that's coming up. plus freezing temperatures for a good part of the country.

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt". to the middle east. growing concerns today that the noncombat american advisers in iraq are increasingly on the front lines on the war on isis. on friday as many as 25 isis fighters were killed while attack the military base where hundreds of millions of marines are posted. they wore iraqi military uniforms and some had suicide vests. the marines were two miles away from the attack on that 25 square mile base. joining me now from northern

iraq is chief foreign correspondent richard engel. with a good day to you. the military really stressed that the marines were never in danger. can you give us some perspective on how vulnerable they may be there and on other bases? >> reporter: not that vulnerable frankly. these bases are very large. they are very well protected. they are certainly under some sort of threat. they could be mortared. one of those suicide bombers could theoretically get past base defenses. but realistically it would be a very difficult thing for isis to do. they would have to get through the perimeter, they would have to make it to the inner cordone. it's possible. the longer this lasts the longer -- the higher the chances are that some american personnel here operating as trainers are at risk. but when they are deep in their bases i would say the threat is

not exceptionally high. >> thank you for that. you have also been reporting at the devastating story of those young women and girls who have been kidnapped by isis and sold into slavery. >> reporter: we have all seen the horrors that isis has been committing both here and iraq where i am right now. and in syria. executing form hostages. burning the jordanian pilot alive. also lining up and shooting the local security forces in iraq and syria. but isis has also been carrying out much more quietly away from the cameras an extermination campaign against the ya a azidi population. they have lived in this part of the world for centuries. isis believes they are devil worshippers, infidels. what isis has been doing is to

exterminate to kill as many yajiyaj yazidi men it can find and slay the women. it could be one of the worst documented atrocities. it happened in the yazid ivillages. these are men celebrating a wedding before isis arrived in better teams. when they took the men, we didn't know how many would be killed says 19-year-old faridah, who didn't want her face to be seen. isis went on to execute nearly all of the men. and the women were grabbed by the hundreds and sold off to isis fighters as slaves. this video released by isis shows its fighters discussing the yazidi women they're about

to take. she said this guy, i don't know their names, but i saw them. she saw them picking their way through 80 yaz is idi girls, picking out the ones they wereded to buy. faridah was raped repeatedly for three months. they sold me from one man to the next. faridah is 19 years old. she said the ordeal was even harder on the younger girls. they raped girls who were 9, 10 years old, or even 8 she says. they preferred the younger ones. hawata is one of the innocents that the isis fighters sought out. he was old she says of the man who bought her. he was 50. they managed to escape but both are badly traumatized. faridah said she never saw the

video of them to buy her. they would do everything imaginable to them. we want justice. they are both now safe. they are living here in kurdistan, this kurdish region in northern iraq. there are hundreds, perhaps more than that of girls who are still being held by isis. >> just a tragic story. but i'm glad you were able to speak with them and get perspective. it's memorable. thank you very much, richard, for that. there are new details about the moments leading up to the shooting death of the navy s.e.a.l. who inspired the blockbuster film "american sniper". he made 160 kills during his four tours in iraq. kyle lost his life at a shooting range a few miles from his home. eddie ray routh is on trial for that murder. we are covering the trial from houston for us. manny, with a welcome to you.

let's talk about what happened in court yesterday. >> reporter: well the big news yesterday was you had a gentleman who worked for the county sheriff's office talk about some of the things that eddie ray routh told him kind of spontaneously from his jail cell following his arrest. he shot the two men and killed them because they went and talked to him. they went and talked to him on the drive over to the gun range and that he thought that they would forgive him. and some of these comments are -- the prosecution is sort of use to go show that eddie ray routh was not insane at the time and he knew what he was doing was wrong. >> how are prosecutors countering that? >> reporter: well with the prosecutors want that.

they want that testimony. they want to show that. the defense on the other side is basically saying he was legally insane and he did not know right from wrong and his psychosis was so severe that he had no idea what he was doing was wrong. and you've really got sort of two narratives coming out of the trial. it shows that he knew he murdered them and talked about killing them. on the other side you have statements that don't make sense. and some of the actions and behaviors and states he made where he was talking to the police about the apocalypse is coming. and people are feeding on my soul. and some of those statements that show that he was mentally ill. and just how mentally ill he was is the thing that the jury is going to be grappling with. >> there's also that dashcam video where it's at the end of

the chase he was driving around in chris kyle's truck. and he knew exactly what was happening. he stops his car and he gets out and reacts accordingly. are they trying to imply that shows a level of sanity knowing the danger he was in and what was expected? >> reporter: they are, indeed. the prosecution told the jury at one point, look at his behaviors and actions before, during, and after this crime. and particularly after the crime. where you have somebody who is fleeing, someone who is trying to get away. you have someone that doesn't want to get out of the truck because he knows once he does that he is going to be arrested and go to jail. that's the actions of somebody who they would say knows right from wrong and knows what he does is wrong and doesn't want to get arrested. >> what impact did his widow have? >> reporter: it was quietly

compelling and quietly sort of powerful. it was certainly one of the most emotional moments in the trial so far. she was wearing his dog tags. and said that she was not nervous, that she was just emotional. but she was also very almost chatty. and i remember at one point during her testimony somebody in the courtroom sneezed and she said bless you. so she was very compelling to watch. >> yeah. >> reporter: very emotional, but it was very sort of strong and resilient. >> sounds like she was very present in that environment. manny, thank you very much for weighing in. appreciate that. >> thank you. appreciate it don't look now, but there may be another government shutdown. wife one man's promise not to let that happen could follow through. there's confidence.

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they have now four days to pass a bill. that's because congress is out of of town. if nothing happens, dhs will shut down february 27th. it is a critical test for mitch mcconnell. the issue at the heart of it all, language that would overturn president obama's action on immigration. joining me now, fellowshipphillip, with a welcome to you. this box mcconnell has been put in in the senate. it has left mckopd trapped inside a legislative box. one he wandered into without an exit strategy. what direction does he go here? >> he raised his finger and pointed back to the house.

he repeatedly suggested it's on the house to come up with something that can actually pass the senate. it's been pretty interesting to watch how quickly republicans have become amazed at the minority and the senate can block legislation which is something they were doing two months ago. but mcconnell's point is they're not going to be able to pass something in the senate. the democrats aren't going to suddenly turn their backs on the democrats and pass something the house wants to see. the house needs to put together a majority comprised of some democrats, which they have been located to do and pass something they can keep dhs funded. >> okay. next topic, switching gears to the authorization of military force. where does support stand right now on that? >> it's looking shaky. i mean the initial response to that was probably not what the president wanted to see. the president obviously has been taking action in the region based on the speech that he gave last year, which immediately was faced with well we need to have

authorization in order to do this. he brought forward this proposal. the democrats are not enthusiastic because they are located at wandering into another military conflict. it will be interesting to see how it goes. >> 2016 politics now. jeb bush is blowing away the gop competition in fund-raising. put in perspective how this is part of his overall strategy. >> it's fairly straightforward. jeb bush is trying to run essentially as the establishment candidate. not to put, you know everyone into his own box. but jeb bush wants to be able to come out and say, look i have the backing of a lot of people that will be putting up a lot of money for this race. he wants to be able to box out people like chris christie marco rubio. who might appeal to the more center right. and he wants to vacuum up all that money and say this is what i have if you want to challenge me, you have to beat this hoping that something will stay out of the race is and hoping he

can build up enough money. >> well $100,000 a head at that fund-raiser, wow, okay. finally, senator rand paul started confusion this week when he says he has a biology degree. this happened at the reboot congress. let's take a listen to that. >> maybe you can actually explain this to me. i know just enough not to understand -- >> mine is in biology and english. so this is really going to be a great conversation. >> well, he does have a bit of an unusual background. did get a medical degree from duke university. how does he respond to this? >> they justifiably are saying it is something of a distraction. you know, the issue of education actually has become something that has become a topic of discussion for 2016 in part because scott walker also doesn't have a college degree. it's been interesting to see how that debate has taken hold in

2016. the majority of americans don't have a college degree. so i don't know that it has a lot of resonance. but rand paul has a tricky background in which he has, you know, used other people's work as his own, which makes it a little harder for him to be able to make a knew answered argument without it blowing up in his face. >> okay. phillip, thanks much as always. one of the supreme court justices is coming under fire for comments about same-sex marriage. does that disqualify with the high court from deciding on gay marriage? we'll discuss next. ♪ welcome to the most social car we've ever designed. ♪ the all-new nissan murano. ♪ nissan. innovation that excites. if you take multiple medications,

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hotly contested issues. during the fight over obamacare there werele kas from the left for justice thomas to recuse himself because his wife had challenges. calls for justice kagan to recuse because she was defending the law as the solicitor general. we know what justice scalia thinks about abortion. we know what justice stevens when he was on the court thought about the death penalty. in the end it comes down to the individual justice to make these decisions. i don't think it's going to happen. >> we also have justice ginsburg admitting she was not 100% sober when she fell asleep at the state of the unionment does it surprise you to see her speaking that candid di? >> she's been doing more interviews speaking more candidly over the past couple of years. hab she wants to pull back the curtain a little bit on the court. we don't know much about the

justices and their daily lives. this is a little bit more about them as people which is probably a good thing. >> the first briefs in the same-sex marriage case are expected to be filed in two weeks. what are we going to see? >> a lot of the arguments we saw last time when there was the channel to california's ban on same-sex marriage. i think we will see, you know from both sides. a little bit about what justice ginsburg was talking about. since october we have gone from same-sex marriage being legal in 19 states to 37 states now with same-sex marriage becoming legal in alabama. so you will see a little bit more about the role of same-sex marriages that they are just like everyone else from the supporters of same-sex marriage. i think you will see a lot on the other side. those who are supporting the state's bans making the

argument that was made in the decision below by judge sutton that we are not necessarily opposed to same-sex marriage. but we think the states should be able to decide. this is an argument they are probably trying to appeal to the states' rights supporters. >> you gave the numbers of four states up to 37. there is momentum here. does it give you an idea of the likely outcome of the? >> i think it does particularly if you believe the justices are not reading the polls but the justices ss more or less mirror middle america. there is growing support among the public for same-sex marriage. i think perhaps the justices as the comments suggest are getting more used to it. really what was perhaps the signal is justice clarence thomas said in a dissent from an order this week that alabama had asked the court to put a federal judge's decision striking down

the ban on same-sex marriage on hold. >> mm-hmm. >> there weren't five votes on the court for that stay. >> right. >> so i think that's a signal as justice thomas said of how it could play out. >> amy, good to talk with you. >> thanks for having me. >> that's a wrap. join me for a two-hour edition of the show at noon. straight ahead "up" with steve kornacki. oments? sacrifice streaming all night long? is it okay to drop a connection, when you need it most? if you're not on the largest, most reliable network, what are you giving up? verizon. you use tide pods? yeah! but i thought you were the queen of the pre-treat soak treat soak? those are fond memories, but those things are amazing. once i saw what they did, i actually started to relax. don't touch my

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