even before parenthood came in, what i thought was very universal is he was asking questions about how we define ourselves as men that are very tangible to a lot of people our age. "my own man" on netflix. the rachel maddow starts now. thank you for joining us. tonight is the night of our supreme court justice ruth baeder-ginsburg interview tonight. i'm so excited. here, today, i should tell you as in most of the country today has been very very cold. to the point of uncomfort. record breaking cold. boston is now buried in more than eight feet of snow. places like kentucky, virginia, and little rock arkansas got

walloped today. i went ice fishing in new hampshire this weekend. it was really, really cold ice fishing. that is sort of the point. even in the middle of a frozen lake in new england, it was still not as cold where i caught that finish as it was in downtown madison, wisconsin where a large number of people were out in the cold not fishing, but protesting against governor scott walker. it was minus 13 or something with the windchill when the protest happened. it was habit what he is proposing to do to public universities. there would be a $300 million cut from the university of wisconsin system. it sounds like a big round number that doesn't necessarily mean anything on it's face. to put it into perspective the chancellor of the university of wisconsin at madison the

flagship program the chancellor of the madison campus says if she just eliminates the school of nursing the law school, the business school, and the pharmacy school, and the school of veterinary medicine, if she eliminates all of those schools from the madison that still would not be enough to make up for what scott walker wants to make up from that campus. at the university of wisconsin in milwaukee they say it would be equal to eliminating the school of public melt, public health, information studies and welfare. the university of wisconsin is a beacon for that whole part of the country in terms of higher education. one of the things they're known for nationwide is the

outstanding quality of their higher public education. it's their claim to fame and their governor is proposing to dismantle that which is an amazing thing. it got a lot of people out on valentine's day a saturday with minus 13 degree windchill to protest. scott walker is running for president, and so this is the kind of thing he will be doing for the next year or so. he is increasingly seen as a top tier presidential candidate. conservatives nationwide may love the idea of destroying the university of wisconsin. i think it is probably driven atmosphere by the fact that a lot of other would be top tier candidates are having trouble out of the gait. chris christie for example he

has had a bad few weeks including a bad overseas trip to london. former supporters in new jersey and the campaign manager from the first time he ran for government was siding more we jeb bush than him. chris christie's poll numbers at home have tanked. conservative media buzz used to have chris christie at the top of the list for top republicans. not right now. now he is basically considered to be more in the marching order of guys like mike huckabee or rand paul. rand paul is now past the faze where he got to enjoy being the beltway of media fascination. he is in the part where he is trying to present himself as a credible candidate for president. it's not going great, he doesn't seem to have any major donor support at this stage, and he keeps making a lot of unforced

errors. like senator paul saying that he has a degree in biology. rand paul does not have a degree in biology. no up with said to him, senator paul do you have a degree in biology, he just volunteered that. but it's not true, and now he is angry that anyone is pointing out what is not true. no one would have brought it up if he had not said it. why would you volunteer that if that is not true about yourself. you were under no pressure. so a lot of the people who look like they might be top tier candidates are fizzling already. the man to beat might be scott walker. kind of hard to believe but the conservative media loves him right now. one of them is his proposal to gut the university flagship

system his state is known for. if you look at what is possible to put together a bid for the winning nomination. connections, big donor money early commitments, who has the establishment on their side. and now, faced with the age old dilemma, pets or meat, which is it we now know that jeb bush the closest thing that the republican party has to a candidate this year he is a meat man. >> hi, i saw the sign on the

street, it said you're selling rabbits and bunnies here? >> yeah. >> do you want pets or meat? >> you mean i can buy the bunny bunnies to have as a pet or i can buy them for meat? >> they're already dressed and cleaned. >> i butcher the babies when they reach four or five months old. if you butcher the older ones like these guys they're stewers, not fryers. and i lot of people like fryers better than stewers. i keep my own personal stack, and when my babies get four or five months old you have to do something. >> pets or meat. >> that is michael moore being amazing. we now know that on that age old question of pets or meat when

it comes to rabbits, jeb bush is a meat man. we know that because of this letter on bright yellow paper given to jeb bush by the vice president of marketing for the american commercial rabbit association. i am developing a business plan for the market of domestic rabbit meat. this person apparently met jeb bush at a bush family political fundraiser in 1985. hand delivered this letter saying happyelp me out with my rabbit meat plan. and digging that will theletter out, we know that look, look at what he said. deer seen dear senior advisor, tom, can you get me a name to help the

rabbit meat lady. and when they want a rabbit meat contact, that's what he gets. in less than a week, this is a letter from the office of the vice president on office of the vice president stationary seeking a federal referral for the rabbit meat lady. here is a phone log from the follow up conversation. see the handwritten notation, rabbit meat usda. here is the response a representative from the federal government calling the rabbit meat lady directly to make sure she has all of the contacts she needs and that she knows jeb bush took care of her. so they did a deep dive into not just the rabbit meat thing, but all of the other evidence there is of how jeb bush in the course of his lifetime and political career made very good use of his family connections.

it is remarkable the things large and small that you can get done when you're the grandson of a senator son of president, brother of a president. it is another thing to see the thank you note details of it. and to see that he really, thanks to his family connections is used to having a ton of pull thanks to his dad, brother, and all of the other bushes and political contacts. one of the weirder political losses of the george h.w. bush administration. jeb's dad's administration it was the u.s. senate deciding not once but twice to reject someone bush appointed to be u.s. attorney in the state of florida. when he was the acting u.s. attorney, he got admonished by

the justice department for the way he ran his office. the attorney general of the united states also went into this guy's office and took him off of a high profile prosecution because he was not seen as experienced enough or suited to handle a high profile constitution. so the attorney general of the united states had to step in and take him off of it. they had counts of domestic violence against him. the senate rejected this nomination for this guy to be u.s. attorney. rejected it once. but still for some reason they kept pushing for this guy. nominated him again. the senate did him the great insult of rejecting his nominee for a second straight time. what was behind the commitment to this guy? we now know that jeb bush in florida was advocating for that guy's nomination.

advocating to his father at vice president, advocating to his father when he was president including really psher letters to the president's top staffers. jeb bush also went so far at one point to make a recommendation to his father of who should get the next open supreme court seat for the united states. encloses his resumé. says many people know him in miami. in case that is an important qualification. but he is writing, as the president's son to his dad's top advisors saying should the opportunity arise, i hope you would give consideration to peter t. faye's nomination to the supreme court. he did not get nominated to the supreme court. he ended up picking david suitor

and clarence thomas. he got two. since then every president has gotten two. president clinton chose ruth baeder-ginsburg. president obama has chosen sonya sotomayor and elena kagan. not every it race of the supreme court hears brown versus board, rowe versus wade. not every court hears cases that are household names. but the supreme court of the united states has breathtaking power on a myriad of issues. nothing else in government is like it. even just right now we're awaiting oral arguments in the

next few months on cases that might eliminate the whole of obama care in one fell swoop. millions of people losing their health insurance all at once. they will hear those and rule in the next few months. we're also waiting for a case that could legalize same-sex marriage nationwide. that is all just in the next few months. the supreme court is always really important, and a president's choices around who they would put on the supreme court are among the most important criteria that we have when it comes to choosing a president. we know that jeb bush would have liked peter t. faye for the supreme court. okay. but our supreme court right now has on it's plate an unusually

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states supreme court that will then serve for life. a few weeks after in a, barack obama announced that his choice would be sonia sotomayor. she said i had my cell phone in my right hand and i will left hand on my chest trying to calm my beating heart. i caught my breath, and started to cry and said "thank you, mr. president." sonia sotomayor was president obama's first supreme court appointment, but not his last, when john paul stevens announced his retirement, he appointed elena kagan. some don't even get one appoint

appointment. president obama has so far had two, and one big question that has linkersger whether or not he will get another pick as well. the oldest serving member is ruth bader ginsburg. she founded the women's rights project at the aclu. she was the second woman to serve on the supreme court. and all of the speculation is how much longer does she intend to serve. the is 81 years old, survived a number of health cares, it seems like a logical question to ask. then you hear her speak, you hear her opinions, 81 but she is not only still on top of her game, she might be at the height

of her game right now. my msnbc colleague sat down with ruth bader ginsburg sat down with her, and justices do not sit down for many interviews. and what she got was a wide ranging fascinating interview that included the question how much longer do you intend to keep doing this? >> i know you have no intention of retiring correct me if i'm wrong, any time soon, but i'm wondering what you want your successor to look like. >> it will be the choice of whatever president is sitting at that time. i'm concerned about doing the job full steam. and i said many times once i sense that i am slipping, i will step down. because this is a very intense job. it is by far the best and the hardest job i have ever had. and it takes a lot of energy. and staying power to do it

right. i will step down when i feel i can no longer do the job full steam. >> lots of people worry about your health. they want to know are you cancer free? how is your health? >> i had my first cancer bout in 1999 that was colo-rectal cancer. it was a challenge. it was a massive surgery, chemotherapy, radiation, the whole works. then i was fine for ten years. then in 2009, a tiny tumor in my pancreas was detected very early. i had surgery for that so that was in 2009. now it is 2015. the most recent episode when i was with my personal trainer, and suddenly my chest felt so constricted. and i broke out in a sweat, and

overwhelmingly nauseous. so i said well i stayed up all night last knight, i'm just exhausted, i will rest for awhile. i was very stubborn. it was a blocked right corninary artery. as soon as they put the stint in i was awake but groggy, i was fine. no more constriction in my chest. >> other than that your health? >> other than that i am fine. >> when you were fighting for women's rights in the '70s, what did you think 2015 would look like? >> our goal in the '70s was to end the closed door era. there was so many things that were off limits to women.

policing, fire fighting money, piloting planes. all of those barriers are gone. and the stereotypical view of people, the world divided between home and child caring women, and men as breadwinners, men representing the family outside of the home stereotypes are gone. we speak to a participant rather than mother. and a wage earner rather than bread winwinner breadwinner. what is it still with us is unconscious bias. >> how do you feel when you see states passing restrictions that make it inexcessable.

>> it is inaccessible to poor women, not a woman of means. we will never see a day when women of means are not able to get a safe abortion in this country. there are states -- take the worst case. say rowe v. wade is overturned lots of states will not go back to the other way. but who does that hurt? it hurts women who lack the means to go some place educational. the situation with abortion right now, but a of the restrictions. they operate against the woman who doesn't have freedom to go where she is able to get safely what she wants. >> you mentioned if rowe v. wade

is overturned. how close are we to that? >> it is not an unlikely scenario. the court had an opportunity to do that some years ago. and in an opinion they said they would not depart from the precedent they set. they did more than that. they gave a reason, a rational that was absent in rowe v. wade itself. it was's much about a doctor's right to practice his profession as he sees fit. the image was a doctor and a little woman standing together. you never saw the woman alone. but the casey decision recognized that this is not as much about a doctor's right to practice his profession, but about a woman's right to control her life's destiny. i don't want to make any predictions, but the precedent

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of the dysfunction of our current congress that you will hear in just a moment. she also entertained a lightning round. >> i wondered if you could give me one word that comes to mind when i say a few things. just a fun little game. president obama? >> let's see, a french word that means more than sympathetic. >> citizen's united? >> wrong. >> chief justice roberts? >> most able. >> hobby lobby? >> wrong again. >> you have been dismayed by the court's rulings on women's rights? >> not all together. think of the case of the girl who was strip searched in the eighth grade. and you saw the difference between the oral argument some of my colleagues thought the

boys in the gym, they undress and no one thinks anything of it. >> it seems like a case where you changed their minds? >> yes. it is important to listen so i'm very glad that case came out as it did. >> i'm looking at something that you wrote in 2003. you said the stain of generations of racial oppression is still visible in our society. i'm wondering how you see the current state of race relations in our country? >> people think you can wave a magic wound and the legacy of the past will be over and they're blind. think of neighborhood living patterns. we have many neighborhoods that are racially identified. we still have many schools that even though the days of state enforced segregation are gone,

segregation because of geographical boundaries remains. >> the court is looking at major civil rights laws in the past. you have decented on the voting rights case. there have been several title seven cases that seem to be chipping away a lot of the legislation passed in the civil rights era. should we be worried that those achievements are being rolled back? >> the congress in 1991 looked at some of the restrictive parts of title seven, and they passed a bill that changed all of those. at the moment, congress is not functioning very well. and the voting rights act, which renewed by overwhelming majorities on both sides of the aisle, but the current congress is not equipped to do anything. some day we will go back to having the kind of legislature that we should where members,

whatever party they belong to, want to make it work and cooperate with each other to see that that will happen. it was that way in 1993 when i was nominated for this good job. there was only three negative votes. my hope and expectation is that we will get back to that kind of bipartisan spirit. >> and when the time comes, what would you like to be remembered for? >> someone who used whatever talent she had to do her work to the very best of her ability. and to help repair tears in her society. to do something, as my colleague david suitor would say outside myself. aside from that much more satisfaction for the things that i have done. for which i would not be -- >> someone who used whatever talent she had to do her work to the very best of her ability and

to help repair tears in her society. supreme court justice ruth bader bader-ginsburg bader-ginsburg. as you're aware, she has achieved a consult following online flp online. there is a tumbler page dekads to her. there is even ruth bader-ginsburg tattoos that have popped up. erin asked her about people getting ruth bader-ginsburg tattoos. watch this. >> i wanted to -- i wonder have you seen -- >> i saw that and i thought it was a joke. i thought it was something you paste on to your arm but i'm distressed that people are doing that. >> distressed why? >> because why would you make

something that can't be removed on yourself? it's one thing to make holes. that you can use or not. my granddaughter for awhile was wearing a nose ring. now she is not. but a tattoo you can't remove. >> i think it is because they admire you, that's why -- this is the second tattoo that i'm aware of. the other one has a picture of you and it says respect the bench. >> that's a nice sentiment. >> my face, that is distressing. respect the bench that is a nice sentiment. a huge thanks, and huge congratulations to erin carmone for getting this great interview and letting us debut it here. he have be on the last word with lawrence o'donnell in the next hour, and we will post the whole thing beyond. great get by erin and a great

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their crew is interviewing a man ant about what he saw when the derailment happened. watch what happens while they're talking to him, incredible. >> the river bank when we saw the train car explode, and it shot up a mushroom cloud about as high as close -- like that. >> did you get a picture of that? man that's high. >> incredible footage from wsaz in west virginia. reuters is reporting that nine or ten of the cars exploded one

after the other in intervals of about half an hour. this is not in the middle of nowhere. one resident took this video from the vantage point of a catholic church in boomer, west virginia. people live all along these tracks. a reporter today pointed out this new crash and explosion happened on the same train line as the crash of another train last year over the state line in virginia. same line, same route, same kind of trains. that train that blew up last year was carrying crude oil from north dakota along that same line. that was april of last year when that exploded and sent those rail cars into that river in virginia. now it is west virginia. we have seen a long and

lengthenninglengthen inglengthen lengthening detrailment of oil trains. there was one in 2013. and then there was one a few months later in south dakota where and oil train crashed and exploded there. there was one in virginia, and one today in west virginia. they're considering new standards for tank every carer cars to make them safer. reporters are asking for information about the oil trains moving through their communities. they have refused to let reporters look at that information, but every once in awhile it is hard to keep that under wraps. it goes off like a giant bomb in the middle of places that people live. that is something that everybody can see. joining us now is randy fitswater. he is a resident of boomer, west

virginia. he lives very close to where the train went off of the tracks today. thank you for joining us. i appreciate you being with us. >> thank you for calling. >> what did you hear and see earlier today when this train derailed? >> my wife and i were in the living room talking and we heard a sound that sounded like a commercial jet airliner engine roaring above our house. and that lasted for a few seconds and then we heard a giant explosion. i went to the window and i could see a fire ball across the river. you're looking across my front yard there, and i thought it was an airliner that crashed. i told my wife to call 911. she tried to call 911 but got a busy signal the first call. she called back and says my husband thinks there is an airliner crash, and she said it is a train derailment.

>> how close to your house did this happen? >> just across the river, maybe a quarter of a mile. >> do you see these times of trains go down that line frequently? >> yes, mostly coal and oil on those tracks and some chemical cars that are on there as well. >> were you evacuated today or do you have any advice of what you should do? >> there was an evacuation put forth for lower boomer bottom where i live but my wife is disabled and it's hard for us to get out, and we're in the middle of one of the biggest snowfalls we we had in quite some time. i made a decision that i didn't think it was necessary to leave, so we stayed here at the house and luckily we're okay. >> randy fitzwater in boomer, west virginia.

thank you for helping us understand what it was like today. i want to bring in now marcus con constantino. he is at in marcus constantino for the charleston daily mail. thanks for joining us. >> caller: thank you. i'm about 500 feet away from the train. it's still burning into the night. you can see flames still shooting out from a couple of the oil train cars across the river. first responders firefighters arrived on the scene about an hour ago. the flames have been really too intense for them to do anything you know up until recently, so they're looking at the train right now and there's still no indication on when this fire could be out or how much of that crude oil has seeped into the river. >> two questions that i have been looking for answers to tonight that you may know but i

haven't been able to find. one, do they know how many of the tanker cars have burned up or blown up? and do they know what caused the derailment? >> caller: i'm not sure exactly how many exploded, burned up. just looking at the scene, it looks like maybe ten to 12 tankers are sitting in a burning heap on the other side of the river. and at press time today we had not yet heard from csx about the cause of the accident. i have heard that the engineer was injured, but he is doing fine. >> marcus constantino. thank you for being out there covering this in the difficult weather and difficult circumstances. >> caller: thanks, rachel. we've got much more ahead, including a needed best new thing in the world. please stay with us.

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. so earlier tonight in the show we played much of the interview with ruth bader ginsburg. the whole thing was great and we're posting it online. there was one part of the interview that was so good that we had to save it for best new thing in the world. started with a question from erin about falling asleep asking justice ginsburg about falling asleep during the state of the union this year. and her admission that a glass of wine that she had ahead of the speech might have been the culprit for why she nodded off. >> i've got to ask you by the way, everybody's talking about the state of the union. >> yes. >> they're saying you said yesterday that you were not 100%

sober. >> oh, what i meant was that i had a glass of wine with dinner. and that, on top of having stayed up all night writing something, and. >> so you're a bit of a lightweight, as we call it? >> i thought to myself, don't stay up all night, but then my pen was hot and so i couldn't, couldn't stop what i was doing. and then, just drink sparkling water, no wine, but the dinner was so good, and it needed to be complemented. >> what's more important here, the main reason she fell asleep was because she had been up all night writing. her pen was hot. can't stop when the pen catches fire. one, she was up all night burning up the pages. two, she was going to stick to sparkling water at her pre-state

of the union dinner, but the food was so good it demanded to be complemented with fine wine. and when a dinner demands to be complemented, justice ginsburg follows that demand. >> that's a tradition that we have dinner together before the state of the union. it's usually justice kennedy who brings in a good california wine. >> mm-hm. >> when he was on the court david sat next to me. we do everything in seniority order. and he was sensitive to my he could sense when i was beginning, my head was beginning to nod, so he would give me a pinch. now my colleagues i think

they're more reluctant. >> who was sitting next to you? >> justice kennedy and they gave me a little jab, but it wasn't enough. >> so little known fact david souter, we also know that he was justice ginsburg's official pincher. that he would pinch her when she would start to fall asleep at speeches. and learning that, that's the best new thing in the world. may we all have official pinchers when we need them. also justice kennedy step up. time for the last word with law lawrencelaw lawrence o'donnell. >> word has it that you are an official pincher