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worst is yet to come. >> the problem is after this moves away we're looking at some of the coldest air we have seen in years, record breaking arctic air is going to start working into the midwest on thursday and settles into here by friday. >> denmark defiant, the danish people come together against terrorism despite fears of another attack. >> what we've seen in the last 24 hours is both the fear and the hope of people in denmark, just in the last few hours, there was a security scare that cleared the area here in front of the cafe where you can still see those bullet marks. a new front, where will isis strike next as it takes roolt in libya. pope francis mourns the 21 victims and saying their only words, jesus help me. taking steps to protect the homeless right in his front yard.
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good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. more information is now being uncovered about the suspected shooter in this weekend's terror attacks in denmark. omar abdel hamid el hussein has been named as the gunman in court proceedings and there is chilling audio in the moments when the gunman open fire at the copenhagen cafe. >> yes, it is freedom of speech but -- and the turning point is but -- why do we still say but when we -- [ gunfire ]
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>> thousands gathered in copenhagen last night to mourn the two men killed in the attacks at the cafe and the synagogue. and this morning they observed a moment of silence for the victims. kelley cobiella joins me with the very latest. kelly, we know this community is coming together. >> reporter: it is andrea but it's been an extremely difficult time as you can imagine. danes have been living under the threat the possibility of this kind of attack for quite a long time because of their history with free speech and with cartoonists who have drawn caricatures of the prophet mohammed, this is the first time when it has come to be come to pass in a relatively peaceful nonviolent society as well. you can imagine there's quite a bit of nervousness. earlier today this whole area was evacuated and cordoned off
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because of a suspicious package that turned out to be a simple envelope. you can see how nervous and on edge people here are still. >> what about the jewish community? >> reporter: well the jewish community is still -- i would say more than nervous, the president of the jewish community told nbc news today that he is pushing hard for more security at synagogues and schools. he's concerned about jewish people living in this country, obviously because of the attack on saturday night. he pointed out that there were 80 people in the building next to that synagogue saturday night and were it not for the shooting here first, there would not have been additional security there on saturday night. and the prime minister as well has said you know we were lucky, andrea. >> and the suspect, i know they are trying to uncover whether or not there were co-conspiracy
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tors, two people were arrested for helping him. what do they know about any connections he may or may not have had to organized radical islam? >> well the intelligence services are saying that first of all, he's not known to have traveled to syria. he was on their radar but wasn't considered so much of a threat that they had him under surveillance. he reportedly was released from prison about two weeks ago. he was apparently serving a 15-year sentence for assault while in prison became such -- became so rads callized apparently the prison guards took notice and the prison staff reported him to the intelligence services. but again, the intelligence services say we had no indication whatsoever that he was planning any sort of attack. and the prime minister has said that there's no connection to any wider terrorist cell in denmark. but a lot of these things are still being investigated and the
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police and intelligence services really aren't talking about them. >> kelly cobiella thank you so much from copenhagen. now to the fight against isis in north aafrica, egypt launched more air strikes, continuing retribution for the beheading of christian coptic egyptians. ayman mohyeldin joins me with the latest. the egyptian foreign min came to new york to meet with ban ki-moon heading here for the president and secretary of state's counterterrorism summit this week. what can egypt really do to go against isis in the middle of what is becoming a civil war in libya? >> you're right in the sense that it's somewhat limited in what it can do. as we've mentioned in the past libya is in a state of civil war. there are two governments and two factions competing with each
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other with battles on pt ground between these two rival governments, if you will. in the absence of a central government the egyptian government as well as other allies really don't have anybody to deal with that can exert control over the territory. and that is what has given the rise to isis in libya. egypt now wants to get the international community to deal with libya the same way it has dealt with syria in the sense that they want to get an authorization to use force and try to get european support behind it. countries like italy have suggested that they would be behind an international effort to try to resolve the situation in libya. italy is just a few hundred miles from the border of libya. they have had a lot of problem with migrants coming from africa. there have been some italian officials who suggested that the united nations should consider a peacekeeping force and peace enforcing force on the ground that they and the international community could be a part of. if egypt decides to continue
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militarily to act enside libya, a lot of questions on whether or not they can be effective in the long run or exacerbate the problem on the ground inside that country. thank you so much. we'll have more on all of this coming up as well. but first, here at home the weather. winter weather woes continue this week impacting 50 million people from the deep south to new england. cutting off power for more than a million customers. snow and ice brought treacherous travel conditions to states like kentucky and tennessee and virginia not used to this kind of weather where a car came within inches from hitting the camera from an nbc news affiliate. and in new jersey, a snow plow fell in a sinkhole along a snow covered road this morning. four inch fell here in washington, enough to bring the nation's capitol to a stand still. here's the report filed from the mall. >> reporter: andrea it's a snow day here in washington, d.c. about four inches of snow on the ground compared to the 4 feet of
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snow we have up in boston. this is an improvement, but it is still enough to shut things down here. federal offices are closed and schools are closed today and the purpose is to keep people off the street and to get the crews to clear away the roads and get things up and running quickly. this was part of a big storm system that hit the south hard. we had a foot of snow fall in kentucky and virginia. we had several reports of ice damage on power lines and making for slippery roads from north carolina back through nashville. nashville has seen its worst ice storm in 20 years. so it is going to remain a concern especially because now we're not going to see temperatures warm up any time soon. we're looking at some of the cold eflt air we have seen in years, record breaking cold will work into the midwest by thursday morning. then it will spread all the way down into the south by the time we get into friday morning, even raleigh trying to clean up from the ice storm, will see a
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morning low friday of 1 degree. in washington, d.c., we haven't gotten below zero since 1994. and we're going to make a run at it on friday. andrea? >> dylan dreyer from snowy washington which for some reason there was no snow plows out. let's hope that situation improves. joining me by phone, jim butterworth, director of georgia emergency management agency. mr. butterworth, thanks for joining us what is the progress report? i know it's a tough battle in this kind of conditions. >> yes ma'am, it is a tough battle. our folks are out and a number of different areas. we have about 60 teams that are engaged mostly it debris clearing and we have a lot of downed power lines and downed trees on the power lines and that's the result those -- about 200,000 customers that are without power right now. definitely working to make that better here though. >> what about the ice, is snow
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and ice still falling as we speak. >> no man, the event ended kind of overnight around midnight last night. and we worked very actively to get a brine, a salt treatment down the road so that because this morning we did actually kind of dip below freezing around the atlanta metro area but as a result of that brine pretreatment, we didn't see any slick spots in the metro area but ice continues to be an issue in north georgia. >> always a big challenge down there. thank you so much and good luck to you and your crews. safe work on all of that repair that has to be done. and much more coming up on the deep freeze ahead, including the latest from snow bound boston where the snow keeps on coming. plus snow baby, weather or not, no matter snow sleet or rain. >> like his head is out. >> oh, my gosh i'm going to deliver the baby in the truck. >> the new arrival coming up next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. ow your financial plan won't keep you up at night.
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the brutal execution of egyptian coptic christians has outrage the world, exploiting the turmoil that existed there since nato overthrew gadhafi in 2011. will this be addressed as president obama and secretary of state kerry convene they are counterterror summit this week? i'm joined by director of the middle east for the obama administration, thank you very much steven for being with us. the point of this conference is to bring the world together to talk about solutions and what can be done domestically places like minnesota where local groups are working with somali refugees and trying to counter alienation and other inherent
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risks. but this is a crisis point and some of us are asking what about what happened in libya what happened in jordan what is happening now with isis? how does one address that? >> well there's no comprehensive way to address it really. these groups particularly in libya, are very well entrenched. the situation there favors isis because it's relatively -- so isis is in a position to really do what it likes and exercise it a substantial degree of freedom of action. as you noted, extremists have been pouring back into libya from the very opening moments of the nato campaign against the gadhafi regime in 2011. so they've got quite an infrainstruct tour there. the way in which these groups in
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libya and sanaa and elsewhere, pro actively reach out to isis to affiliate itself with that group and it shows just how potent isis' message is. >> should we and nato have stayed longer in libya? isis is now inhabiting the vacuum in this turmoil. >> well one of the problems with military intervention for humanitarian purposes they don't have real staying power. it's not as though the united states its allies hadn't put together a very comprehensive post conflict reconstruction and stabilization plans for libya. it's just that no one was there to carry those plans out. so you know, there was fertile ground for mayhem. >> egypt is calling for help from the u.n. and italy is
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talking about whether or not the west should intervene. air power alone will not root this out. >> no air power won't and egypt in particular is running a big risk, i think by carrying out those air strikes. sooner or later one of its pilots will be shot down and will be killed brutally by isis and will intensify the conflict further. the egyptians really aren't capable of sustaining expedition nar operations in libya. they don't really have the ability to do that. their army is designed to operate in the nile delta around the capital and not all that much farther from it. so the egyptians might be getting in over their head after all, there's 1,000 kilometer border between egypt and libya and it's essentially undefended and open to isis if it chooses to raid egypt or infiltrate it in other ways. >> and how threatening is all of
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this to italy, which is only -- couple hundred miles away? >> well you know honestly i don't think that this is going to bring the italian state to its knees, i think that they are a bit worried and they are certainly vulnerable to attacks in the way that other european countries have shown themselves to be vulnerable. but i scarcely think it is an existential threat to italy. >> finally, this conference that the president is convening, part of this is a new state department effort to counter the propaganda successes, frankly, from isis that you just pointed to. they are very appealing to these disenfranchised and angry and militant groups. can the state department office with counter relations prop pull gate isis propaganda?
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>> it's going to take more than that. when it was first set up it was seriously underfunded because there was a skepticism about the effectiveness of these counter radicalization programs that the office was supposed to support. i think congress and the white house are really going to have to get behind this in terms of funding and not just for the purposes of devising clever messages but get underlying conditions particularly vulnerable communities where recruitment is rife in prisons and schools and elsewhere, just in a very specific areas where these problems are emerging and fund serious comprehensive programs for those vulnerable communities. that's really what needs to be done and perhaps you know the programming and the funding will emerge from the impetus provided
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now she is partnering with nbc universal to take that message on the road in a special five-city tour. joining me now is mika brzezinski. >> i've been working on this for years and excited that we're launching. >> tell me about the tour and what your goals are. you've been working on this -- you wrote the book but taking it the next step. >> what i found when i wrote the book i thought i was just sharing a few maybe concerns that i had that maybe some other women had as well. what i found was some of the issues that we confront in our own minds before we even get to the negotiating table, they are universal concerns universal challenges. i think women tend to apologize their way into conversations and self-depry indicate it's amazing how fierce we are with our jobs advocating for a deal
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we want to cut or story we want to tell or protecting our company's bottom line or our husband's or children. when it comes to advocating for money for ourselves, somehow we lose our voices. we become terrified and we feel like it's untoward almost or inappropriate and that is sort of the veil i want to lift off. i made all of those mistakes every time when i was trying to rectify my salary situation. and i documented all of those mistakes in the book and women have been coming up to me everywhere i go and women from all walks of life whether they are high up and successful in their field or just starting out or right in the middle. it seems to be universal. we want to go on the road and give women tangible advice what not to do clearly is everything that i described in my book but also what they can do. this is the part of the conversation andrea that we can own and change. if we don't, we leave money on the table. >> and speaking of money, people
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also, women historically in our society didn't really feel empowered to deal with money, didn't know often, we're not often empowered by spouses in more traditional relationships has to how to handle money. and that becomes part of the conversation as well. what are you going to do with these conferences? >> we're going to have a lot of hands on training there. we're going to engage the audience in a number of different ways and we're going to look at money as a metaphor. we're going to look at closing the deal and negotiating, but we're going to look at your relationship with yourself your health your relationship with your partner or your spouse if your in a career as well and how that changes along the way. some of the potholes women are confronting, i have a book coming out along with conferences in may, grow your value and we look at the price of success and these choices. and we're going to be offering women tangible advice that they can use the next day when they go to work so that everything
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they do every relationship they have they get more value out of it. and we're going to have a competitive aspect to this as well, which we're going to be announcing in the next week or so, which is going to make this very engaging not just for the audience that is there, we're shooting the whole thing like a tv show it's going to be lit and beautiful. but we're going to be having this competitive aspect spill over from city to city strung together by our website, msnbc.com/know your value and the power of "morning joe" and "today" show covering it. we'll have a lot of interactive engagement with women across america following and lifting each other up and watching them transform themselves and winning a jump start to their value along the way. >> and it's a great five-city tour and i'm glad you're coming to washington. we need your help. >> please come. >> thank you very much. mika is hosting a twitter chat today at 2:00 eastern. tweet your questions to
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#knowyourvalue. now we go to the scene of yesterday's massive explosion in west virginia where a train car carrying oil slid off the tracks near the river. the fire consumed the train, a nearby house and oil slick on the river. >> we saw the train explode, car explode and shot up a mushroom cloud about as high as those -- the plume is now like that. >> and early this morning the fire was still blazing, a state and federal environmental teams were on the scene taking air and water samples. officials with west virginia american water conducted two separate tests and so far officials say no crude oil was found in the water. west virginia senator joe manchin traveled to the scene
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and joins me by phone. thank you so much. what have you discovered so far? >> well andrea i'm looking at the site right now, right across the river from it and i was just down by it. it's something, i've never seen anything this devastating as far as a train track and we've had a lot of trains coming through west virginia with the coal and goods we haul. i'm learning about the oil we have coming as hazardous and highly volatile. this thing went up like a bomb. it went off unbelievable. >> do they know yet whether the snow or ice contributed to the derailment? >> they do not know no. i don't -- i would not suspect that that could have happened but you wonder. i mean if it would have been another half mile either way up the track, it could have wiped out a whole little community, unbelievable there would have
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been a lots of people in jeopardy of their lives. thank god the good things is we had no loss of life and nobody injured. this man who lived -- the house got completely wiped out and he saw it coming and took off running and one car came in the back of his house and just obliterated the whole structure. all there is is the foundation. >> the fire ball alone we've seen pictures we're looking at pictures now of the aftermath and it's extraordinary. and then of course there's the question about water quality, so far the water -- river has tested clean but it does feed into other he isess tu aries but they have to be concerned -- >> the thing about this product, gives you an idea of the volatility of the product. they are telling me the men and women who work up in north dakota, they are able to use the oil right out of the ground and put it in their cars so it's
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more like a gasoline. still has to be refined but it is volatile. most of it is burnt. all of the explosion you saw was burning. i went down on the river bank did not see a thick plume of oil or big thick gobs of oil you would expect to see. i did not see that at all. i would say most of it has burned off but they are still monitoring and testing. two water systems are shut down and there's quite a few people without power because where the train basically derailed and explosions happened, it burnt out lines and transformers and crews are working to replace those now. >> joe manchin on the job in west virginia, former governor and now the senator and at that scene. thank you so much for calling in and briefing us on what's happening down there. >> it's really something, we've got to be careful, we've got to find out more and see how we can
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prevent these accidents happening throughout the country. >> and that is the next step. thanks again, senator. and here in washington in the snow and ice, there was a slippery moment this morning as the new secretary of defense first day on the job, ashton carter arrived at the pentagon, he was accompanied by his wife stephanie. >> whoa! >> she was apparently all right, stephanie carter apparently slipped and fell on the ice getting out of the car. the pentagon parking lot was a little slicker than expected. she's okay. she fell forward apparently on to her knees and hit one elbow. later carter was sworn in as the 25th secretary of defense, succeeding chuck hagel. vice president joe biden did the honors and he takes over for hagel who announced his resignation in november.
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on our daily fix, the president's executive order on immigration is now facing a new challenge because a texas court late last night temporarily blocked any deferral of deportations for now, potentially effecting as many as 5 million people under that program. overnight the white house released a statement defending the executive orders an the department of justice is expected to appeal the texas court's decision. joining me now, nbc justice correspondent pete williams and julie pace and alan gomez, immigration reporter from "uss today." when will justice act and what happens in between? >> we're waiting for justice to file and ask them to put this on hold and let the law go into
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effect. the judge said it's one thing for the government to do what it claims it's doing, to say we're going to concentrate on the people most troublesome and let the others stay. the judge says this goes well beyond that. it's not nearly turning its back on people who are here illegally, it's affirmatively giving them benefits social security numbers and work permits and that he said is writing the law anew and not merely how it's being enforced. the other thing he says here remember andrea he has not ruled on the merits of this and whether the law is illegal or unconstitutional, all he said is the state is likely to prevail. if he doesn't put a hold on it now and in his words people come out of the shadows and then if the law is later struck down then those people would be on the record and dhs could fonlly go after them. >> and julie pace jeb bush has just issued a statement saying that the president has not shown leadership by using his executive authority and we know
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that jeb bush has been on the front leading lines in the republican party on immigration reform but says that the president should be working with congress not working on his own. >> well, certainly the white house would argue they tried to work with congress the house never took it up and white house would argue that the president did show leadership by using these executive orders. in talking to officials they say that this judge's ruling was expected but at the same time there's a real practical concern for the white house. the first piece of the president's executive order was supposed to start going into effect this week allowing young people to sign up and enroll in this program. and the white house has always said they want the numbers to be high, they want as many people as possible to enroll because they felt like similar to their argument on health care once people were able to be protected from deportation, it would make it a lot harder for congress to try to block that and to change the rule. so this is a real troublesome moment for the white house.
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>> and alan gomez, what about the 5 million people who are expecting deferrals here on deportations, they are caught in the middle? >> yeah they have absolutely no idea what to do right now. across the country for the last couple of weeks there have been workshops to help get their paperwork and applications ready to submit. so far today we haven't heard anything from the department of homeland security advising them on what to do. immigration advocates are urging them to continue to get the paperwork ready once something goes because they think once it gets to the fifth circuit court of appeals they could restart the process again. >> pete what about -- who was it who actually sought the injunction from the federal judge? >> it was 26 states led by the state of texas. and their argument is normally speaking immigration is a federal matter and they said look, this burden falls on us if this policy goes through, we're the ones that have to issue new
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licenses and issue work permits. we have more enforcement and it could be a magnet to bring more immigration in and the judge bought that argument. >> thank you all so much. alan gomez, you're in miami, which is at last check the warmest part of the continental united states. just saying -- >> no comment. >> it is a beautiful day in miami, leave that studio and go to the beach, do something fun. >> i'm trying not to rub it in. >> thank you, thank you pete and julie. more snow is falling in boston today with more than three inches expected. this comes after the past weekend storm made february boston's snowiest month on record. while the public transit system is operating on a limited basis today, it could take 30 days before full service is restored assuming there's no more snow. joining me now from boston is weather channel meteorologist paul goodloe. that doesn't even get to the issue what to do if your car if
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your car is buried in one of those piles? >> reporter: you might not find that car, dig it out until april. that's how much snow is around here. just driving around you're awe struck by the mounds of snow. i'm 6'5" and some are over my head which makes going around corners difficult because of that and parts of south boston they changed roads which are two way to one way so it's easier to only look around one pile of snow versus two when you're trying to get out of an intersection. we're seeing snow again, we're sitting at the third snowiest winter on record here in boston. records go back over 144 years and we're at number three. we are this much away from number two and with light snow we're expecting here probably an inch or two, we'll definitely get there, and we have about a foot to go before we get to number one. here's the thing, we still have a good four solid weeks of winter and after today's snow slight chance tomorrow but another chance this weekend, not
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to mention the rest of february and into early march will most likely have the number one snow year on record. but andrea if you have close to 8 feet why not take another foot and have the record. at least you have something to claim for living through this winter here in boston. >> i'm not sure the bostonians would agree with you, paul i guess a record is better than nothing. thank you very much. and having a baby is hard enough but try having one during an ice storm. a couple in arkansas was hoping to wait out the storm on sunday night then lauren realized that the baby was not going to wait. they left for the hospital but the bad weather slowed them down on the road. when they finally got to the parking lot outside the hospital, well you guessed it. >> so i throw the truck in park jump out, run around his head is out, his head is out. >> oh, my gosh i'm going to deliver in the truck. >> opened his eyes i just knew he was okay. >> they have a beautiful baby
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a new investing and banking experience with personalized guidance and online tools. visit a branch, call or go online today. when it comes to fighting poverty, pope francis is thinking globally and acting locally. this week the vatican opened new facilities just outside of st. peter's square where homeless italians can shower six days a week and get haircuts from students attending a nearby hair dressing school. for some citizens the help from the pope is a real blessing. >> nbc's ann thompson joins me now. ann, you have covered the pope.
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this is just another step in showing his real feeling for the people of less fortunate. >> absolutely andrea it all fits in with his message of increasing the dignity of the person, whether he's talking about the need for a job and dignity that brings to someone or respecting the elderly and how they should not be shoved aside. now he's turning his focus on the homeless. pope francis is not just the leader of 1.2 billion catholics around the world, he's also the bishop of rome. it's a job he takes very seriously. what he has done he's set up these three shower stalls in an area of the vatican near the tourist restrooms and as you said they are open every day except wednesday, that is the day when the pope holds his general audience in the st. peters square so it's too crowded. and the homeless people can come in, get a clean change of underwear and towel and soap deowed rant razor, shaving
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cream. they get a way to make themselves clean again. and as the saying goes cleanliness is next to godliness. this came about because the pope has a point person when it comes to dealing with the homeless. his official title is the pope'sal manner and his name is conrad cry kef xooe and he invited a homeless man to have dinner with him back in november. and the homeless man told the arch bishop i can't go to the restaurant with you because i smell. it's easy to get something to eat here in rome but what i can't get is a shower to make myself presentable and that's how the idea came about. >> that's really extraordinary. and the pope yesterday he was speaking out about the horrors of the assassinations, the executions of the coptic christians and seems so much more engaged in the real world
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than some of his predecessors. >> no question about it andrea he said that the last things that those people who were beheaded was jesus help me and went on to say, it doesn't matter if you are catholic or protestant or whatever you are, we are all of the same faith. we all believe. and i think that is an -- one of the extraordinary things he's done. also this weekend elevated 20 cardinals, many of whom come from third world countries and in sizhis sermon you may be a cardinal, but you need to get out of your churches and go to where people are and help the poor and help the disenfranchised and reach out those who were once catholic and turned away from the church. because that is where you will be judged. andrea andrea. >> thanks so much, ann thompson. and up next jurors in that trial see a video of the man
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the american sniper murder trial has resumed in texas this morning. we're expecting prosecutors to rest their case against former marine eddie ray routh today. the defense could start putting witnesses on the stand this afternoon. nbc charles hadlock is live in stephenville, i understand they were playing a tape of eddie ray routh in the patrol car after he was arrested. >> reporter: that's right they are watching yet another videotape, this one from the patrol car taking eddie ray routh from the scene where he was arrested to the police station and just at the beginning of that tape routh was saying that he was having a schizophrenic day and couldn't tell whether he was sane or insane and he was having a troubled day. so those are some of the comments that we're hearing from
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this police tape that the jury is listening to. we can't broadcast that under court order until the end of the trial. but videotapes have been the linchpin of this case against eddie ray routh. yesterday the jury saw 90 minutes of a taped confession to a texas ranger. during that time routh confessed to the crimes at least three times, said that he was aware that what he was doing was wrong and that even apologized to it. at one point he said that they ask if his parents were coming to see him, routh said he wanted to hug his mother one more time. >> thank you so much charles, the issue is whether or not his defense plead of insanity holds up and that depends on whether he knew right from wrong. thanks, charles hadlock in texas. that does it for us for this edition of quts andrea mitchell report. follow the show online and on facebook and twitter. "ronan far row daily" is up next.
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i'm craig melvin in for ronan farrow. out west here's what you need to know right now, the obama administration plans to appeal last night's texas court ruling blocking president obama's executive order on immigration. that judge sided with texas and 25 other states temporarily halting the program that would have among other things protected up to 5 million people from deportation. in his decision the judge issued an unusually strong rebuke of not only the order itself but of the obama administration's overall immigration policy writing, the court finds the government's failure to secure the border has exacerbated illegal immigration into this country. the white house press secretary blasted the decision saying in part, quote, it wrongly prevents these lawful common place policies from taking effect. joined now by nbc news justice
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correspondent pete williams from d.c. always good to see you, sir. what's next? >> next is the government will file a notice of appeal to the fifth circuit court of appeals, under the normal course what you would expect is the government would say, put this ruling on ice and let us put the order into effect. the state of texas and other people and other states that were involved in this lawsuit would respond and then the court would rule whether it would give an emergency ruling based solely on the govern's appeal we'll have to wait and see but it could be a matter of days. >> the first phase of this the application process, i understand was expected to start tomorrow. that's on hold now, correct? >> absolutely. the judge has put it on hold and said the government cannot enforce the executive order and that's why the government wants to move quickly on this. >> moving forward with the appeal pete is there -- is there precedent to suggest that the court -- the next court would side with the government or side with the