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by nbc news justice correspondent pete williams from d.c. always good to see you, sir. what's next? >> next is the government will file a notice of appeal to the fifth circuit court of appeals, under the normal course what you would expect is the government would say, put this ruling on ice and let us put the order into effect. the state of texas and other people and other states that were involved in this lawsuit would respond and then the court would rule whether it would give an emergency ruling based solely on the govern's appeal we'll have to wait and see but it could be a matter of days. >> the first phase of this the application process, i understand was expected to start tomorrow. that's on hold now, correct? >> absolutely. the judge has put it on hold and said the government cannot enforce the executive order and that's why the government wants to move quickly on this. >> moving forward with the appeal pete is there -- is there precedent to suggest that the court -- the next court would side with the government or side with the states?
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>> well what's -- remember the legal post tour we're at the judge has not actually ruled on whether the program is unconstitutional or illegal. he's merely said it looks like texas has the better argument here and for all of those reasons he was going to put a hold on enforcement of the law while the appeal is pending. that's the decision for the appeals court, should this temporary order, this injunction going into effect and if the fifth circuit says no, then the federal government to ask the supreme court to weigh in. the judges arguments is that while the government says it's prosecutorial discretion and focusing enforcement on the biggest immigration problems, people who are criminals and potential terrorists, undesirables if you will there's no way it can possibly deal with all of the people who are here illegally, the judge says the government is going beyond that not merely turning a blind eye but affirmatively
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reaching out and giving them a different legal presence and offering them social security numbers and work permits. for those reasons they say it goes too far. >> pete williams thanks as always. do appreciate your time. meanwhile, winter won't stop. five states are under states of emergency today after a rare snowstorm struck the south, hundreds of thousands are without power right now in tennessee, in georgia and the carolinas. >> wow, storm even led to that close call you see there. that was a very close call for a news crew covering the snow in virginia. today in washington, d.c. winter's wickedness shut down federal offices but led to a really cool snowball fight. dylan dreyer with more from our frozen capital. >> reporter: washington, d.c. has seen one of the biggest
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snowstorms we've had so far this season. there's four inches on the ground and that is enough to shut down schools for today and federal offices, the crews want to get people off the streets to get things back up and running as quickly as possible. as you know, this is part of a bigger storm system. this one affecting the south and hitting hard nashville, tennessee, this is the biggest ice storm they have seen in 20 years. we had a foot of snow in virginia and parts of kentucky. ice stretched over into north carolina where people are just being told to stay off the roads because it's very icy and slippery. we even had icy conditions down into georgia. from mere on out, the snow and ice is not going to go anywhere or help crews trying to get power up to hundreds and thousands of people without it. we're looking at arctic cold to start working in thursday it affects the midwest with windchill factors about 35 degrees below zero through minneapolis thursday morning. then that cold stretches all the way down south, raleigh, north carolina will bottom out at 1
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degree friday morning with windchills about 15 below. it is exceptional record breaking cold even here in washington, d.c. we haven't been below zero since 1994 and we're going to make a run at it by friday morning. >> dylan dreyer thank you. meanwhile in west virginia today, federal investigators are working to figure out what caused a train to derail and ignite a huge explosion. the tanker was hauling oil when it went off track sending that massive fireball high into the sky. people from miles around were evacuated from their homes. matt heckle is a reporter at our affiliate there, what have we learned so far? >> reporter: well, craig, what caused this is the question of the day here. unfortunately yesterday, if you look behind me a lot of smoke but the fire sort of died down. yesterday that was not the case. fire was raging on all day into the night. investigators really couldn't get close enough to figure out what did cause this. was it weather related? it was snowing all day here in
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this area yesterday. -- so far they have not found evidence of crude oil in the water so that's good. we have one more round of testing and expecting to come back before they can give the all clear on that. they are really trying to get power back up to these people a lot of people had been displaced from their homes so that's something that they are working on. i saw csx out here earlier. an investigation is starting to begin but the questions of how this started really should be coming in the next few days. >> reporter matt heckel thank you. the u.s. secretary of labor is in california today trying to end a dispute that's all but shut down major shipping ports along the west coast. secretary thomas perez will meet with both shipping companies and dock workers. a contract dispute between the groups has caused a massive backlog forcing ships to wait
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out at sea. the 29 shipping ports along the west coast handle roughly a trillion dollars of cargo every year. overseas today, egypt once again calling for the united nations to step into its new fight against isis in libya. monday egyptian fighter jets launched two rounds of air strikes on isis targets inside libya. today egypt's president called on the u.n. to adopt a resolution creating an international coalition to fight the terror group. this follows the release of a graphic isis video sunday showing the beheadings of 21 egyptian christians and in denmark, we're learning more today about the suspected gunman behind the attackses in copenhagen. the gunman identified as omar ablel hamid el hussein. danish media say he created a facebook page before the attack
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that carried a pledge of allegiance to isis. there was a scare today at the site of the first shooting. a suspicious package was later found not to be a threat. i'm joined by kelly cobiella what more have we learned about the gunman? >> reporter: craig we're seeing some sort of contradictory pictures of this gunman this 22-year-old born in denmark to palestinian parents. friends described him as a good guy with a good heart, loyal to his friends. but then there's this other picture of a man tied up with criminal gangs with a criminal record as well. he was reportedly serving 15 months in prison for stabbing a man in the leg on a commuter train. a reporter at one of his court appearances said that he didn't appear to be religious at all. he appeared to be a hardened criminal shaved head and pock marked with scars, unfeeling. he said in fact quote, he
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didn't seem to be religious at all, quite the opposite. but at some point something changed when he was in prison. as a matter of fact, changed so drastically that the prison officials felt it necessary to report him to the intelligence services. the intelligence services confirmed they received a report for prison officials in september of 2014. they say he was on their radar, even when he was released about two weeks ago, but intelligence services say there was no sign that he was planning any sort of attack. craig? >> when they say on the radar, what does that mean? >> reporter: when they say on their radar, they are talking about simply being aware of him. they say they know that he was tending towards some sort of radicalization in prison and to be fair they are not elaborating a huge amount. there's no sense that he was under 24 hour surveillance at
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all. simply that they knew that he had potentially been radicalized when he had been released from prison but again, they had no idea no indication that he was planning anything. >> kelly cobiella thank you. up next here as isis expands beyond iraq and syria, more countries are joining in the battle against them. it's all creating quite the thorny diplomatic dance between traditional enemies now. how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40 $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪ ♪
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this afternoon, more now on growing calls to expand the fight against isis as the terror group continues to move beyond its base in iraq and syria. earlier today, egypt's president called for u.n. resolution
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mandating international intervention against isis in libya. egyptian president al sisi saying there is no other choice we have to work together to defeat terrorism. all of this comes in the wake of beheadings of 21 christian egyptians in libya. the president insisting that the strikes were in self-defense. it was the first time since the golf war in 1990 that egypt has acknowledged a foreign military strike. the leader of hezbollah in lebanon condemned the beheadings and also called on arab countries to set aside sectarian rivalries to confront a greater common enemy, islamic state. michael weiss, also wrote a new book, author of "isis inside the army of terror" paper back. folks are reading the book that's always a good sign. i want to talk first about this
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article we came across in the atlantic, it posted yesterday, libya, turning into iraq after the arab spring after the isis attacks, revealing a country on the brink of total failure. at this point, how much responsibility do we have in this country in libya and is there even remotely an appetite to get involved in libya to fight isis? >> well remember the old colin powell metaphor you break it you own it and now we have uae joining too defeat a group that has pro live rated or grown out of the -- libya is a failed state. you have two separate rival governments competing and isis this is the -- you know this is a terrible malice metaphor but this is a swamp they breed in. in terms of what the u.s. responsibility is, we're already at war with them in two separate countries.
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it's froblly going to be more countries. they are already in yemen and afghanistan. now we know they are in libya. does that mean u.s. air strikes will take place in libya? could well do but it's interesting president sisi saying the u.n. needs to get involved he wants a multilateral coalition. i read this as it's well and good to bomb them from the sky, is egypt going to launch ground troops? i don't think so. what happens if isis captures one of their soldiers and does another snuff video. >> in the sense that there's a coast, is that precisely why european allies are so concerned about the islamic state getting a foothold in that country, access to water? >> i think it's -- >> ships. >> it's more the proximity to europe, right? very close to italy and isis wants to project this image, they don't have regional
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ambitions, people say it's just a caliphate. that's false, it says we want to liberate rome and spain. they tell in part of their recruitment effort propaganda now, western security strict tours means it's harder for them to come to raqqa to do jihad. stay in your countries and blow things up over there. the last propaganda video they put out, nar rated by the james kantly he ends it by interviewing a french jihadi in aleppo and he speaks in beautiful french. he's saying in french, and again this is in the wake of the "charlie hebdo" and kosher marketplace massacre. just stay where you are, you don't have to be part of a cell. do lone wolf attacks. he's a manual how to make a bomb in your mother's basement. just -- that's how you can do your part. >> there's another article that i want to call your attention to
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and i don't know if you had a chance to read it also from the atlantic, just posted in the march issue. the title simply what isis really wants and speaks to some of what you've been talking about here. this is what it says in part it hungers for genocide that religious views make it constitutional incapable of change even if it might ensure survive and considers itself a harbinger of and headline player in the imminent end of the world and follows a distinctive variety of islam whose beliefs about the path to the day of judgment matters to its strategy. what does that mean? why should that concern all of us? >> so the only thing i would take issue with there, i think that they are absolutely an islamic fundamentalist organization but not only. if you look at the upper esh lons who populates this these
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are -- they went from wearing military fatigues and drinking wine and smoking cigars to next year being wearing long flowing robes and having long black beards. were they instantly radicalized? no. they are doing a sunni power projection project in the middle east. 2003 they lost control of baghdad and in the last four years seen sunni muslims beheaded ethnically cleansed and barrel bombs dropped on their head in syria. they are appealing to a constituency that is the vast majority of the world's muslim population. 1.6 billion at last count. so to say they are just pining for the end of the world, that's the marketing, right, the foot soldiers of this movement are going to be fanatics or radicals or some cases, let's be honest losers. >> the generals? >> the generals i don't think are. al baghdadi is a true believer, no question.
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my question is is he the one running the show? it's usually not the guy in front, usually the guy three behind. >> if he's not then who is? >> the people who are in these intelligence military and councils, they are the ones who appointed him first and foremost and who trained them? they were trained by the saddam regime and before that that means they were trained by the soviets, professional soldiers and intelligence operatives. >> i wish we had more time. we'll have to have you back. thank you so much. >> sure. >> when we come back here our daily spike where we ask the question aside of star wars, with your order of pancakes. next. ♪♪
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time for today's daily spike, a spike, ladies and gentlemen, that reflects a current state, very cold and therefore in dire need of comfort food. let's start with the bitter cold. take a look at this. no it's not an enchanted castle at disneyland. it's what can happen when firefighters battle a fire in single digit temperatures. brave firefighter trying to control flames in west philly late sunday night. the problem was the temperatures were so low, water from the hoses turned quickly to ice. it's going to be a lot of attention on facebook photos are being shared ten times faster than average news posts. not ours but average news post. and yes, being cold means craving carb filled foods. that's okay since today is actually national pancake day, mike. let's be honest nothing better than a fluffy flapjack with melted butter and maple sear rupp to cure winter blues.
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trending big time with 448,000 tweets since midnight on the 16th. we gave you that fancy graph to illustrate our point. hey, d.c. if you're snowed in and looking for pancake ideas, check this one out, it's an at-at. you know the at-at, made of pancakes if you're a star wars fan, you love that. that's a fine fine stack. what i like to see now is a pancake of luke and the belly of the tong tong. come on you can do it. after tempting you with all of the pancake photos it's important also to remind you that is it -- yes, it's fat tuesday. thank you for that. it's the one day every year when it's acceptable to dress obnoxiously and have one drink too much and artery clogging treats all before lent starts. 38,000 twitter mentions of the famous new orleans tradition
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with 38,000 by the way, that's in just one day. i'm sure it's going to be more tomorrow. sharp spike in fat tuesday mentions this morning, not just new orleans, a bakery in indianapolis celebrated by sharing this carb lishs king cake in traditional mardyi gras colors. eat responsibly and do whatever you have to do to stay warm. we'll get serious again, the obama administration opens a summit on combatting violent extremism, today's focus home grown terrorism in this country. we're live at 1600 pennsylvania right after the break.
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there have been some 74 home grown violent jihadist plots for attacks between 9/11 and january of 2014. one interesting statistic inside those numbers, a majority of those cases, 72%, in fact are more recent unfolding after april 2009. so how is the white house working to stem that unsettling uptick in home grown terror. our capitol hill correspondent luke russert joins me live now. what can we expect today and over the course of the summit in january? >> reporter: hey, craig, this is a three-day summit and the real focus is to try to find ways to stop the marginalization that occurs for people who end up in extremist ideology this idea of where does that extremist ideology start. how can we target it early on to eliminate the threat from possibly occurring? you mention there's going to be focus on domestic priorities. that is what day one is about.
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tomorrow will be more hearing from leaders in various fields and on the third day more of an international focus, if you will. flz a lot of shall we saw early criticism of this summit from conservatives saying this has come much too late. this has shown the administration is i will equipped to handle isis and threat that's presented. there's also criticism from conservatives that this summit is not adequately addressing the term radical islam. the white house is saying look extremism happens over all different types of faiths. we're not going to singleny faith out. we're trying to eliminate extremism where it is. that does not satisfy a lot of conservatives. expect a back and forth throughout the duration of the summit. as far as quha they are going to do they are going to review the pilot programs in minneapolis and los angeles over the last 18 or so months i'm told and see what in fact worked in those cities in trying to prevent
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extremism and prevent marginalization. so a lot of talking and a lot of discussions, president obama will speak tomorrow, we expect him to speak a second time on thursday. there will be big name players, joe biden will moderate one of these discussions but from what we actually will hear probably more of that tomorrow craig. >> luke russert, thank you as always evan colemann is here. let's start where luke left off, the idea that you can prevent home grown terrorism. is that a realistic expectation? are there things that governments can do whether they be federally or on a microlevel municipalities? >> look there are certainly things that the u.s. government local governments and other governments can do to try to stem this tide. but to start off with it's very important to understand there is no solution that's going to end this problem. and i'm afraid this conference that's down at the white house
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right now is more about face saving and more about appearances than it is really about concrete suggestions. if there was some kind of immediate answer in terms of how to solve this problem, it would have been done already. there have been conferences like this all around the world for years. i participated in them the united nations and other ngos and governments have organized them. even in saudi arabia. there is no solution that's going to stop every single lone wolf attack. these folks are needles in the haystack trying to understand their radicalization process and understand the ones that actually end up taking action from the broader market is very difficult science. and it's not something that anyone really has a full handle over right now if we did, you wouldn't see ft. hood and attacks in paris. not at the scale we're seeing. >> you paint a grim picture, my friend. it would seem then that what we can do or what we are left to do then is to simply identify
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and track, is that our best defense so to speak? >> look there are a number of different things we can do. number one identifying and tracking is valuable. but how do we do that? unfortunately you're talking about people that are not necessarily crossing international boundaries. they are not necessarily traveling to syria or afghanistan. how do we pick up on these people? this is one area where maybe we'll see progress in terms of what's happening at the white house right now, which is galvanizing community awareness and response because ultimately these lone wolf extremists, 99 times out of 100 we find out about them because of the fact that someone in their community, either in their family at a local mosque at a community center, something has said look this person there's something wrong. that's what we need to encourage and if this conference achieves that it's not going to stop home grown terrorism, but it's a step in the right direction. >> from the aforementioned congressional research service report, it lays out a few
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factors that could contribute to home grown terror among them extremism like intermediaries social networks internet, jail house jihadism. explain those things. >> this is something that's happened for years, it goes back long before the internet back in the 1990s where you saw in france the world's most famous terrorists were groomed and recruited inside of prison by mingling with other jihadists. it was an unfortunate mistake and not unusual and in brazil same thing with organized crime there. unfortunately what's happened is you have young guys that come into prison 20 21 don't know a thing about life or islam. and they come into contact with someone that appears to have more knowledge than them. someone who manipulates them and gives them a purpose or reason. we need to catch these folks when at the come out of prison and give them alternative to try to die in the battle field or murdering people as being their
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reason to be. and i think that's the key here. we have to give people alternatives and we have to make sure we don't alienate folks. most of those who have gone on to join home grown groups or tried radicalizing themselves in this country felt a deep sense of alienation -- >> they are lonely. >> there's something wrong. we have to make sure as a country we're not doing things to encourage that sense of alienation. >> before i let you go i don't know if you know the answer to this question according to the report there was an uptick after april of 2009. any idea why there would have been an uptick that particular year? >> there's a number of different reasons that possibly go into this. one of the reasons that you have to acknowledge is that social media starting about 2008 2009 took a big jump forward and youtube became a household name and facebook became a household name. it's kind of these jumps up where this social media was available not just to a small elite audience on the internet
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but a wide network of people even those who had no previous contact with a terrorist group. even if you didn't speak arabic or have a name and password for a top tier al qaeda web forum, all of a sudden that video propaganda and images and recruitment call it was available to you. >> the internet has made home grown terrorism far more approachable. >> arguably yeah. it's certainly increased the available audience that can be recruited into this. i think that's certainly got to be one of the factors that you can attribute that change to. >> evan kohlmann i always learn from you, i don't say that about a lot of guests. groups like this have been recruiting for their call on twitter. if you think social media platforms should do more to stop violent extremism, there's something you can do. for this week's call to action a ronan wants you to counter extremism projects petition you can joint the effort to hold
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twitter responsible for quickly shutting down accounts that spread content aimed at radicalizing and recruiting youth. you can also tweet us with the #ronation. those gray areas do not excuse a lack of enforcement against direct calls for murder. more can be done and you can help lend your voice. we'll share those responses with you at the end of the week. up next, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has that controversial address to congress coming up. now we've learned he may have leaked some information about nuclear talks with iran not at a great moment here in the united states. we're going to talk about why that is when we come back here on "ronan farrow daily." okay, you ready to go? i gotta go dad! okay! let's go go, go, go... woah! go right, go left, go left stop! now go... (shouting) let's go!!
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national press club and also addressed a texas judge's decision this is the attorney general live here. he just talked about the texas judge's decision to block the president's executive order on immigration. i believe we have that sound. let's play just a snippet. >> i think we have to look at this decision for what it's it is the decision by one federal district court judge. i expect -- always expected this is a matter that will ultimately be decided by a higher court, if not the supreme court than a federal court of appeals. and so i think it has to be seen in that context. this -- i would view as an interim step -- >> again, the attorney general just a few moments ago. we also just learned that the department of homeland security will not be taking applications tomorrow from people who are seeking to stop their deportations under the order, again tomorrow was the expected start date. that information again coming from the department of homeland
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security. meanwhile, israel gearing up for elections on march 17th. and internal politics are tense with benjamin netanyahu aggressively trying to hold on to his seat. his politicking is putting him at the center of several dramas. there was this tweet after the weekend attack on a copenhagen synagogue, quote, we say to jews and brothers and sisters, israel is your home we're calling for absorption of mass immigration from europe. it angered many of europe's leaders but straining ties elsewhere. the upcoming talk to congress was organization without the white house and major breach of protocol aefrn today's suspicion that netanyahu authorized leaks of details about the u.s. nuclear talks with iran. a major breach of trust. for more i'm joined by msnbc contributor and editor at large, steve clemens and good to see both of you, gentlemen.
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steve, let me start with you there in d.c. the fact that a u.s. ally might have been behind leaks over these iran nuclear talks, what's the latest on that? how might that change the u.s./israel relationship? >> not one, if in fact prime minister netanyahu's people did this it's a violation of deep strategic trust between israel and the united states. it's practically unbelievable to consider. i just got off the phone with a senior official who says there's no doubt in their mind that netanyahu did this and the frustration is not just that he authorized leaks, is that he authorized a political dimension to the leaks, that he only leaked aspects that would be most damaging to the u.s. position. he didn't leak the full package. and so there are different dimensions of frustration here in washington with netanyahu over this. but right now -- israel and u.s. have always said they have an unshakeable bond that ties them
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so clearly together. netanyahu is violated that and now you feel the relationship shaking in a way it hasn't ever shaken it many years. >> what would be his motivation the prime minister's motivation behind leaking a part of these talks? >> he's got a sense of himself right now as facing the same sort of threat that churchill faced in 1938. >> an existential threat. >> and therefore nothing should stop -- he's got to stop it at all costs. now, what the plan is after that, if he can bring this agreement down is not at all clear to anybody, including his own staff. but, he has set himself a goal of stopping this agreement because he feels it's a fundamental threat to israel. >> bear in mind it was an early on strategy not to make this about israel to try and unite
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the world against iran because iran threatens the entire world. that's the theory -- that's how obama recruited the russians and chinese. by making it now all about israel, he's threaten beinging that coalition, that adds to the tension here. >> i want to ask you about this tweet over the weekend, this call for mass immigration, from europe and this is something that as you indicated the prime minister has done in the past this is not unprecedented. how has that played in israel and again, was that just mere politicking from netanyahu? >> that is deep in the israeli dna. israel was founded in large measure to be a refuge. the fact that it's probably more dangerous there now than in france is a small point. but there's a sense that he has to say that. and since he comes from -- he grew up in the fairly extreme wing of the zionist movement it
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seems to him natural. sharon said the same thing years ago, backed off and apologize. >> is the response there in israel hell yeah you're right or more not again? >> everything is political right now. israel is divided down the middle. with the elections three weeks away there is nothing you can say about anything that isn't yeah on one side and there he goes again on the other. >> netanyahu speaking to congress on march 3rd ahead of israeli elections, what does the prime minister hope to get from congress with that talk? >> i think he hopes to get a platform, i think jj said it right, everything is political, hoping to get a platform that every israeli watches and sees him painting the president of united states as weak and not really in favor and supportive of israeli security. he thinks painting obama this way and creating this foil if you will in the united states
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capitol, is politically expeditious for him and his interests. it's very very cynical move on his part but he is making the calculation is that that is what takes him to a win inside the israeli election. >> compound that with the fact that he said i guess a few days ago that he's coming to washington to talk to congress and the world as the leader not only of israel but of the jewish people all over the world. that really hurts a lot of people's feelings. we didn't elect him. in fact obama got 69% of the jewish vote here. netanyahu got 63% in israel. when israel was founded, the founding prime minister one of his first major agreements was david with the ahead of the american jewish community. we won't do anything to interfere with the loyalty of jews in countries to their home governments. netanyahu's wing was never particularly happy with that agreement. and this is his big chance. >> msnbc contributor and editor
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at large for atlantic steve clemons and jj goldberg here in new york. up next, the face of the young documented immigrant battle as a judge in texas issues that stay on the president's executive action order. we'll take a look at the very people most affected by the ongoing fight. that's on the other side of this break. these new nature valley nut crisp bars are packed with nuts, seeds and sweetness. stick to simple, like nature valley nut crisp bars. nuts. seeds. sweetness. boom. delicious.
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as we've been reporting here millions of immigrants are in limbo with the federal judge in texas bloming the president's order that could spare 500 million people from deportation. it gives time to stop the order completely. our partners traveled to new orleans and spoke to some families there waiting for an answer.
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>> a lot of people were calling it a bittersweet win. to me it is more bitter than sweet. there is a benefit for some and there is also new policies that make some people priority for deportation. [ speaking in a foreign language ]
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it happened. president obama went around congress and granted am nest ty to 500 million and allows illegals to continue taking jobs from 500 million in americans and in louisiana, since our state is a top destination for illegal immigrants. >> what it means to be an undocumented immigrant in the u.s. is definitely something hard because you are part of a political game being played by democrats and republicans and we are basically the ball. >> a look at the real people
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thanks to our subaru. ♪ (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. good afternoon and welcome to "the reid report." i'm joy reid. and we start with the big news out of texas today. where president obama's executive action on immigration has suffered a significant blow. just one day before a part of the president's orders were set to go into effect a federal judge in the lone star state issued a temporary injunction siding with 26 states suing to block it. as part of an effort going back to december being led by texas attorney general turned governor greg abbott who said the decision quote, rightly stops the president's overreach in its tracks. white house vows to appeal the issue that blocks the
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immigration of 500 million immigrants. eric holder called it an interim step. >> we have to look at this decision for what it is. it is a decision by one federal district court judge. i expect -- i've always expected this will be a matter that will be ultimately decided by a higher court, if not the supreme court. this i would view as an interim step. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joins us from washington. so explain this decision. was the view on the merits of the president's executive orders or on some other tangential issue. >> not on the merits but this tangential issue that is important at the moment. the judge said he will decide later when the schedule will work out for the actual challenge to the law on constitutional or statutory grounds. but in the meantime he said he is blocking the government -- he is issuing an injunction