tonight the west virginia oil train derailment puts a spotlight on rail safety. >> a train carrying crude oil that derailed in west virginia yesterday still burning. >> 1,000 people were evacuated. officials shut down two water plants as a precaution. >> there it is. later, the gulf today. poignant stories of health and environmental concerns five years after the spill. >> i started having problems with breathing and a weird rash that breaks out from time to time. >> we still have shrimp with no eyes. plus, scott walker's education cuts earn him extra credit with conservatives. >> we care about the quality of education in our classrooms.

not the size of the education bureaucracy. >> we shouldn't take a backseat when it comes to education reform. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. at this hour the fire is still burning after an oil train derailment derailment. this was the scene monday. 19 of the cars caught fire after the derailment. the governor declared a state of emergency in the state of west virginia on monday evening. seven of the 26 derailed cars on the train did not leak oil, although there are major environmental concerns. an unknown amount of oil spilled in the nearby armstrong creek. no one was killed in the derailment, but one person was injured.

we have the latest from west virginia. >> reporter: it was a massive explosion that rocked the west virginia countryside monday afternoon. a single train car carrying oil had slid off the tracks and into the nearby kanawa river. >> we saw a car explode and it shot up a mushroom cloud. like that. >> breaking news alert out of fayette county west virginia. >> we did hear from police that as of right now there are no fatalities. >> reporter: the breaking news quickly dominated the local headlines. it was carrying oil from north dakota to west virginia. it went off the tracks near mount carbon west virginia. with oil in the river, water treatment facilities downstream quickly shut off their intake

valves and warned residents not to drink their water. 200 people evacuated near the fire zone. >> we were able to store water before the intakes were off so we have enough that we can prepare and clean with. after this meal here, that's going to cause us a little bit of concern on the water situation. >> reporter: the fire itself intense, feeding off oil and giving intense heat. the situation now stopping the leak and assessing how much oil leaked into the river. >> 2,000 people are still under a boil water advisory in the area. the west virginia disaster is just the latest in a long line of oil spills involving trains. this weekend a train carrying crude oil derailed in northern ontario. 29 of the 100 cars jumped the

tracks. 7 cars were still on fire sunday afternoon. this derailment is similar to the scene in west virginia. it happened in northern canadian wilderness. 2014 was a record year for oil spills involving trains. last year there were 141 unintentional releases around the country. it is the highest level since recordkeeping started in 1975. 2013 was a record year when it came to the volume of oil spilled. this massive derailment near north dakota leaked 4,000 gallons alone. in response to these disasters the government is proposing action. the department of transportation wants enhanced tanker car standard for carrying oil. they include strengthening the cars breaking controls, and

speed restrictions along the line. the dot 111 is the most common tanker model used today. they have been criticized by operators for years. the proposal would phase these cars out within two years. in december senator chuck schumer was pushing for immediate action to oil trains. in june canada said it would move forward with or without the united states to phase out the dot 111. canada will eliminate this train car by may 2017. more lawmakers need to get on board. the oil and gas industry is bringing in tanker loads of oil filled with oil which is the economy from the balkan shale. there are many cars that are

carrying oil as i'm told that weren't even designed to carry oil. there's, of course, a lot of commodities that are run on trains and a lot of product other than oil such as coal. there is a lot of competition to get on these trains. it isn't the safest way to go. tonight's question -- do we need immediate new regulations on oil trains? text "a" for yes. text "b" for no. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. let me bring in molly madison, who is a scientist, and todd paglia. the inspection process, if either one of you could shed some light, the inspection process of these trains.

in aviation everything has to be signed off on. everything has to be periodically checked and rechecked depending on what you're using the aircraft for and how many hours the aircraft might run. periodic checks whether you are flying commercial or private. i have wondered if the train industry has these kinds of restrictions. there's a big difference between carrying corn through the middle of the country and carrying oil. what's your response to that molly? >> part of the issue is that the railroads have largely been left to do their own inspections and then the federal regulators, they're just not nearly enough of them to do all the inspections that are needed across the country, so that's one of the problems that we're facing on now. >> we're short on regulation. we're short on inspectors. do you think inspections would reduce the number of train

mishaps that we're having and seeing carrying oil? >> well it would help but i don't think it would stop the problems that we're having. as you said the cars that were involved in the west virginia accident were these newer, supposedly safer cpc 1232 tank cars. you can see what the result was when they got in a collision. these are the same tank cars that were involved in the lynchburg, virginia accident last april. better inspections, yes. but we need a lot more other changes as well. >> todd what do we need? what regulations would curb the kind of trend we're seeing? >> i think what we need to look at, ed is taking these rail cars right off the rails. i don't think there's any way. over the last several years, we have seen a big experiment happen between the oil companies

and the rail companies. the big experiment has been can we haul 30,000 gallon containers filled with explosive oil and do it safely? and the answer has been a resounding no. my fear is that we're going to have something which happened in quebec happen in a u.s. city or town soon because this system is failing. >> how would you move the oil? >> i think there is a certain part of this that we really have to wrap our heads around. the two oils moved by rail are extreme crudes. they are balkan and tar sands. the most expensive and the dirtiest and the most volatile. there is a very strong argument that we don't need these oils. they are a relatively small percentage of the overall oil usage in the united states. if it is too dangerous to transport safely the answer is

right there. we can't do this. >> what about trucking? >> i think you end up with even more problems if you were to do that. everybody likes the idea of american made energy and that's what the balkan is supposed to promise. but if we're putting our lives on the line the american made energy i want to see more of is wind and solar. that's something we can get behind that's not as dangerous. there is to way to do this safely. the verdict is in. >> the keystone xl pipeline is on the way to the president's desk. the fact is that pipeline is goingaquifer. >> pipelines have their own

problems. they explode. they leak. pipelines don't have a great track record in terms of safety. the other thing is it is a false dichotomy to say pipelines versus oil trains versus whatever. as todd was saying these are extreme fossil fuels. we shouldn't be transporting them at all. we should be leaving them in the ground. i think the argument that pipelines are safer is really a false one. actually the industry would like to have all of the above, too. that's really what they would like to see. >> i'm of the school of thought if you had more regulations and more inspections and if you ran the world of trains the way you run aircraft in this country, you wouldn't have anywhere near these kinds of problems. speed zones would no doubt make a difference but there's so much pressure to get product on the trains. they're up against the clock. time is money to these trains.

it would seem to me that regulations would make a difference. >> i think they would make a difference. i think you eliminate the problem. i think a problem this dangerous needs to be eliminated. here's the other thing you need to take into account on the regulatory side of this. these are extreme oils. they are the most expensive oils. they are the most difficult to handle. the most arduous to clean up. no sane person would cart this kind of oil across the united states and america with this risk and think it is okay. the only thing right about it would be to shut this industry down. >> not too many

environmentalists complain about trains. these disasters are bringing more attention to it. there really wasn't much conversation before these disasters. what do you make of that? >> well we don't have an argument with trains. trains are very useful and great for transporting certain things. the argument here is about transporting the dangerous oils by train and the implications when you have them derailing and exploding and spilling into waterways that have important drinking water and endangered species. that's the argument about oil trains. >> if i could make a quick comment there, we have mapped all the rail lines that carry crude. if you go to forestethics.org, you can see a map of all the crude lines. put in your address and see how far away you are from the blast zone. 25 million people live within the blast zone.

that's why you're seeing this incredible uprising in north america because of these trains. there are already in rough areas along the tracks. now they have bomb trains being dragged through their neighborhoods. >> great to have both of you with us tonight. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. like us on facebook. we appreciate that. we do pay attention to your comments. coming up, conservatives circle the wagon around scott walker on education. plus an ed show series continues to want. we look at the environmental impact and health concerns in the gulf five years after the spill. >> ed, if we tell you some of the stuff we have seen you wouldn't believe it. i have seen birds fly and liquid come out of bars. they wiggle a little bit and

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>> scott walker has told that story for years. walker has made teacher of the year megan sampson the face of act 10 his signature anti-worker anti-union bill. sampson was actually named outstanding first year teacher by the wisconsin council of teachers of english. it is something a "new york times" columnist pointed out last week. wait a minute. here comes the folks that have his back the right wing media. they were quick to point out walker didn't take office until 2011. the column was mocked on conservative blogs. in the latest polls only two

republicans candidates got double digits in all three, florida governor jeb bush and scott walker. in new hampshire, walker comes in second behind bush with 15%. in iowa, walker comes in third behind bush with 15%. it is important to note that walker crushes bush among iowa voters who identify as conservative or very conservative. in fact by 10%. it makes sense. walker is the poster child for the republicans slashing and starving budget policy. by protecting him and distracting the public from the issues that really matter, they're hoping to get one of their own into the white house. it is interesting. other candidates on the right wing have not garnered so loyalty so fast. joining me tonight ruth conniff and howard dean. great to have both of you with

us. ruth, you first. interesting. what's getting lost in the minutia of this teacher story? what do you make of it? >> first of all, it is just amazing how the right wing media coordinates and hammers on a message. the fact that gail collins writes a funny column and gets one detail wrong is not the story of what's going on with walker and education in wisconsin. the teacher was self-nominated for this award. this was not somebody who was picked out of the whole state as outstanding. she was competing against first year teachers. secondly, she wasn't laid off. she got a notice that she might be laid off. she ended up staying.

she wasn't laid off. she wasn't teacher of the year and his story falls apart because that last-in, first-out policy is a district policy. act 10 didn't do anything about that policy. he didn't end it. none of what he said was true. what is true is that walker is taking a hatchet to k-12 education in wisconsin and he is the poster child for the privatization of schools. he is famous for striking the search for truth out of the mission of the university of wisconsin along with this $300 million cut that will devastate this top tier university. not only is he cutting $130 million out of the k-12 budgets. he's opening the door statewide to school vouchers. there is an open records request on all the kids in the district so they can take them to private

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nominee because i think we would beat the living hell out of him. but you would rather have a nominee on the republican side who would be a good president in case we don't win. scott walker would probably be the worst president. he would give george w. a pretty good run for his money. >> that's a statement in and of itself. governor dean what do you make of the fact that all of these right wing bloggers were so quick to his defense? actually all of them have said some pretty risque or stupid things at one time or another, but they haven't gotten the fence that walker has gotten. >> i think he is taking a hatchet to all the institutions that has made this country great, which is our public education and public universities. there are a lot of angry people

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years after the spill" i met with residents who showed me what they see as the ongoing environmental issues in the region. dean blanchard, one of the country's largest shrimp buyers shows us how shrimp are faring. p.j. han, former director of a zone management department he's with us tonight and he shares his personal health story. they all have concerns about the health of the environment and the residents of the gulf. >> that fire is still burning on that rig, which is said to be leaking oil into the gulf. >> describe the impact on the environment from the spill five years after the fact. >> ed if we tell you some of the stuff we've seen you wouldn't believe it. i have seen birds fly and liquid come out of birds and then they

wiggle a little bit and then crash and die. >> the grand isle was a bustling and booming town. it was an awesome place. it is still an awesome place to come visit for the locals but it was growing by leaps and bounds. they had a wonderful mayor that was really promoting the island. it was doing fabulous. when the oil spill came in it shut everything down. >> you see the effects everywhere from the environment to wildlife to the seafood industry and to the health of the people. it seems and feels irreversible. >> what's the water quality like now? >> it is messed up. whenever you hit the bottom with a wheel, you can see oil coming from the bottom. stuff like that. it is sick. >> one of the scary things about this is the birds are still on

these islands coming in here feeding. you can just imagine the contamination that takes place within the wildlife five years after the fact. look how dark that is right there. this is stuff that's been kicked up from the bottom by the prop. this is what it likes like. along the beach here in grand isle louisiana, there is evidence all over the beach of the damaging effects of this spill. >> right here on the beach, if i were to dig here what would i find? >> you'd find all these tar balls that they have buried. >> tar balls? >> yeah yeah. you'd find tar balls buried. a lot of people won't let their kids get on the beach. you know how kids get on the beach. they'll dig them up all day long. >> they're still getting tar balls on the beach that they have to get cleaned up every time you have a high energy environment that creates a little bit of a storm and pushes up against the shorelines. these guys come out here and find tar balls.

you'll find tar balls all day out there. >> it is not unusual for these shrimp boats here at grand island to come up with this in their nets. this is known as a tar ball. from the chemical that was put on the surface to push the oil down, now the oil has gathered on the bottom and it ends up in shrimpers nets and they don't like it. this is the economic bread basket of the region shrimp. >> what's it like now? there's no shrimp? >> very little. we're probably doing about 30% of what we were doing before. you can see a couple of dolphins right there. you used to see thousands of dolphins over there. >> what about the quality of the shrimp? >> on the inside waters, we have mutilated shrimp. shrimp with no eyes and sores on

them. see that hole right there? that's abnormal. that's a sore he's got right there. that's not normal. >> that's a sore and that's not normal right there. >> his whole shell fell off right there. there should be shell going all the way to the gotbottom. that's a cancer he's got. >> that's a cancer. >> it just ate that shell up. just ate it up. >> what will you do with that? >> we're going to eat the heads, but that's what most of the stuff is at. >> you're going to consume that? >> yeah. government says it is all right to eat. >> the government says it is okay. >> if you can't believe the government, who can you believe? >> the oil industry has been dramatically effected.

>> for us what's happening is our bay has really died off in the last three years. our oyster beds have died for some reason. some people say dispersements were the problem. lack of fresh water is the problem. never seen the oyster beds go down like they have. >> in all the years you've been working? >> all the years, i have never seen it. we were one of the biggest buyers of oysters in the county from the bay and we used to get 200 to 300 bags a day. now we get about 50. >> what about the quality of the oysters? >> the quality is still good. they're reproducing. they're small. we have had a problem with them being small. a friend of mine owns a oyster bed on that side and he has nothing. >> many believe the tar balls are a direct result of the kem

cam -- chemicals used to clean up the gulf. bp disputes that claim. >> what about the solution they used? did that make it worse. >> that's the whole problem we get. if they never sprayed nothing -- once you put a chemical you done destroy the gulf by putting the oil in there. why would you compound matters by putting chemicals in there? >> they put the chemical on the oil spill. it massed up and fell to the bottom. it is still there. >> it is stopping the environment from cleaning itself. it just sucks up the oil. in the old days when you had an oil spill, they would throw hay on the oil because they wouldn't put chemicals.

>> it would absorb it. >> it would float to the top. oil is lighter than water. water is heavier than oil. why would you sichknk it to the bottom? wouldn't it be easier to pick up on the top? >> while the gulf is left with chemical residue, many residents are left with health issues from rashes on the skin to respiratory problems to fatigue. it's a health mystery. >> we're checking air quality over here. you see that lever that goes across the beach? so the wind would blow over the top of it. every day they said we had good air quality. >> what kind of health problems have you experienced, your friends, your neighbors? >> i started having problems

with breathing and a weird rash that breaks out from time to time. i went to the doctor and the doctor -- i won't say what he said, but basically he didn't know what it was. he came up with letters for it. >> a lot of folks have had that? >> i thought it was just old age. talking to people that worked out there, they are all complaining about the same thing. when we went to the doctor and get treated for it it doesn't help. they treat it like it is asthma but the other medications they give you for asthma weren't working on it. it didn't even relieve it a little bit, but there is a lot of people who are far off worse from me and they still haven't seen a dime from bp for medical claims. >> that had nothing to do with the aqua culture industry? >> no. >> just folks that live here. >> folks that live here and came

in contact with the oil. they are in a lot worse shape than i am. it is a shame because they're still suffering and they still have racking up medical bills. >> they're not going to get a dime? >> they'll be dead before they see a dime. >> we have invited representatives of bp to appear. they have declined. that invitation remains all week. the oil company has pointed out numerous government and bp funded studies showing health and environmental concerns have no direct correlation to the spill. from my experience i think you would be hard pressed to find gulf residents that would agree with it. later in our series we'll hear from environmental experts on the gulf. our series "the gulf today five years after the spill" continues all week here on "the ed show."

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mortality event among marine mammals, primarily bottle-nosed doll continues, the study links these deaths to bp's historic oil spill in 2010. it's part of a natural resources damage assessment in the deepwater oil spill legal case against the responsible parties. we did reach out to the noaa team who led the study. they were unable to offer any other comment beyond what has been published. some people living and working in the gulf region are concerned about their own health. the fact sheet says -- studies by federal and state scientists and independent researchers have concluded that exposures of oil, oil constituents and dispersants for response workers and public were well below levels that might be expected to raise health and safety concerned. physicians in the region may argue otherwise the i am joined

tonight by a physician from south louisiana, who has treated over 100 patients who were exposed to the products of the spill. doctor, good to have you with us tonight. what are you hearing? what symptoms are consistent? >> a short background on this right after the spill, i began seeing people from florida, about many bum, mississippi, alabama, all of whom had really weird symptoms. i'm an ear nose and throw doctor, but most of these people didn't have insurance or resources and were really sick as hell. i began trying to treat them. i was able to do very little good at the time. since that time i've probably seen 200 or so people with these problems, and we did have a grant at one point in which we were able to put people through a detox program and got some reasonable results, but the fact

of the matter is that we have some extremely, extremely sick people from the spill and many of them are still ill. they're not being recognized and not being compensated at all by bp. i heard several people talk about the health concerns since 2010, here it is. >> i started having problems with breathing and a weird rash that bracks out from time to time. folks that came in contact with the oil, and they're in a lot worse shape. and it's a shame, because they're still suffering and racking up medical bills. >> hits skill problem and lung problems were some of the least

common of the serious problems i saw. the patients that came in initially had extremes of headaches, memory loss irritability insomnia. >> vertigo, impotence, the list went on and one. at one point the federal judge appointed 19 attorneys to the plaintiffs steering committee to negotiate with bp and decide what illnesses were going to be compensated, and these horrible things i had been seeing. they wound up not listing any of the serious illnesses that i had been seeing in the areas that would be compensated. >> so they ignored you? >> just completely ignored it. i'm not a rocket scientist, certainly not a -- a toxicologist but i had some sicker than hell patients that had completely been ignored and are sick to this day.

we are paying bp's freight for the -- young people who are incapacitated and will be incapacitated for the rest of their lives. that's what i want to focus on. you have people today that are impacted by what unfolded five years ago? >> without a doubt. and are they involved in any kind of compensation or any kind of effort to get their medical bills replenished? >> i don't know all their legal statuses and so forth. they have not received a penny, to the best of my knowledge. and you know these people. >> absolutely. one young lady is a brilliant young woman she would get lost

in her hometown. that was with you salient problems we saw, was enormous fatigue and memory loss. >> we'll have you back to talk about this more doctor. i appreciate your time tonight. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. \s. >> good evening, ed. thanks for tuning in. we start tonight with breaking news. late today president obama speaking out against a court ruling from a republican appointed judge temporarily blocking his action on imgrax. it's a major threat to 5 million people who are protected, and the president says -- >> with respect to the