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are you [ bleep ] kidding me? four inches of snow? i left for work this morning out a 2nd story window. cowboy up! >> top of the hour mike barnacle and catty kay are here in studio. and in walk jeremy peters and sam stein. >> have you dug out of your place up there yet? >> well you can walk around. >> i always told mica when i lived in upstate new york i don't think she believes this story. they said, we got so much snow in '78 and '79 the blizzards in upstate new york. it was our first year up there. we thought this was normal. you had snowdrift tarp like ten-feet high. we would go to the top of the roof and add a two-story house. we would slide off to 2nd story into this huge snow bank. >> the campus game. catty and i were talking about

it early this morning, people jumping out of the dormitory windows into 15 20-foot high snow banks. >> now the more is saying not such a great idea. >> i did and look what happened to me. >> look if you hit your head. >> don't do it. yesterday, so much news breaking yesterday afternoon, horrifying news about more isis horrors. now we're talking about oregon. the possibility of harvesting oregon's so much happening so quickly, the obama administration changing on syria. now funding the rebels. we are talking about now selling drones to other countries. the pace is starting to quicken. >> it certainly is. >> that of course will hasten and intensify the conversation if washington. we will begin there morning overseas with the latest reports of barbaric acts by islamic state militants, two iraqi leaders confirm a police chief's report of isis having burned

nearly four sudden people to death in the town of al baghdadi. some of the people are believed to be members of iraq's security forces. it comes as iraq's ambassador to the united states says the militants may be harvesting organs amid mounting allegations. they are doing this to finance their terror activity. the u.s. will begin training a quick moderate options in syria. the u.s. says they will be fully vetted first and no decision about calling in airstrikes and over in walk a spokes woman for the state department is defending comments that she made on "hardball" about how the u.s. can defeat islamic state militants. >> we cannot win this war by killing them. we cannot kill our way out of this war. we need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups. whether it's lack of opportunity

for jobs. >> whether we stop in our lifetime or there will always be poor muslims, they'll join. we can't stop that can we? >> we can work to improve their governance and improve their economy to have job opportunities for these people. >> we can fought kill every terrorist around the world, nor should we try? look, it might be too much a nuance architect for some. like i said over the past 24 hours the commentary out there. it's the part is way the democrats, republicans, military commanders, our partners in the arab world think we need to combat. >> catty, yesterday, we were talking how the administration is being seen yesterday critics across the political spectrum seemed to bristle at the prospect the state department believes you can beat isis with programs. we will continue this conversation, talk about a lot more as well but there seems to be this growing belief in

officials if washington this administration doesn't understand the root of the problems. >> look i think marie has a point this is not a military only solution. you need to get govern fans in the region involved in a campaign that will detoxify some of the sentiment among young people that is pushing them into violent extremism. >> that is going to be political and economic security solutions. it isn't, we have seen just mounting an airborne campaign is fought diminishing the appeal of the islamic state to some young people who think they want -- it's a recruiting tool videos. i think there has to be a broader more comprehensive approach and it's going to take a long time. it has to start in schools, in european countries, young kids are billion radicalized. it has to focus in denmark in

european countries, there is a passive mood to jihad. we had muslims in the united kingdom. they're being radicalized. >> when she talks about jobs so many of these jihadists that actually take lead roles come from middle class families some from upper middle class families. it's not and i'm sorry, you can't talk to too many people running this war that won't tell you that yes, we are going to have to kill our way out of this situation as well as improving the situation on the ground. >> i think the point is as well as, look it's true. you have a region with 30% disappointment widespread dissatisfaction the government seen as corrupt and governors seen as pro westerners. it feeds into the anti-western thing, where many sunnis and shias repressed by sunni, so is

sectarian violence as well. there are lots of facets to this. you can fought kill in the sense that as you kill you make more recruits. >> mike barnacle we are talking now though about people that are seeing videos of fellow arabs burned alive. fellow muslims burned alive in the most gruesome way and they're being attracted attracted to this cause. i just think when we try to apply western values to values people that are attracted to seeing somebody burned alive are 21 christians having their heads cut off, that this is something much deeper something much more vague and we sound sully when we try to apply western values to these people. >> joe, i have been told repeatedly by people who know far more about the than i do that the videos employed by isis are a tremendous recruiting tool

as catty just indicated. there are hundreds of thousands of young hopeless muslims in europe, in foreign africa. we can't cater to them. as a matter of fact, we are having difficulty figuring out what to call them. we know one thing today, this morning, the horrific example of what took place yesterday with four sudden people burned to death. >> that occurred less than 50 kilometers, 50 miles from a military base in iraq where there were 300 united states marines. this could be a pivot point in the short term for how deeply are we going to get engaged? we can fought do it as a country in the united states. it has to have an arab face on it. the confrontation with isis has to have a narrow face. >> and on jobs and education, having a hard time doing that in our country. so it certainly is a huge task to take on the world. having said that it is a part of the administration.

it's like global warming. it's completely long term. i think it's very difficult to have an argument about combating isis with jobs. it's not an argument. >> when you talk about them being radicalized, we had joe klein yesterday from "time" magazine talking about it. the saudis our so-called allies that have played a massive role over the past two decades into radicalization by funding schools that promote the most radical form of islam. bhuto said she used to walk aside in her jeans and she couldn't anymore. he asked why, she said because of the saudis. the saudis are funding this radicalism across the globe and unfortunately, a lot of people a lot of sunni, a lot of shia a lot of christians across the region are paying for that. >> when you speak with people

who have a tremendous amount of knowledge, both on the ground knowledge as well as contemporary only in of what is going on in the world right now especially with regard to this. with regard to isis it's so complex, tribal wars lack of govern fans hopelessness -- governance hopelessness about 19 years ofably you want so set your hair on fire. >> it is complex about who is joining isis there are some wealthy people attracted. there are a lot of europeans from middle class to upper middle class homes that are joining isis as well. >> i think you need to remember you don't need very big footballs of people to join this crazy barbaric radical violent group to cause a lot of damage. >> right. >> so what you need to do is address the people who have a tendency to want to join them and stop them from going there. >> you can do that i would

suggest instead of chasing down the hornets all over your farm you go to the hornet's nest and you bash the hornet's nest. so there isn't a place for them to go. as long as isis holds as much in iraq and in syria, there is a magnet. there is a place for people from denmark. yes, i am. sunni boots. >> it has to happen. >> sunni boots on the ground and there are already shia boots on the ground. we can pretend we don't want iran there. iran is probably the reason why baghdad hasn't fallen. yes, there are already u.s. boots on the ground and there will be more u.s. boots on the ground. >> if you want to bash the hornet's nests, it is going to have to be. >> you understand what i'm saying tow? >> i do. >> instead of going to copenhagen and going into schools and saying hey, stay in school, jihad's bad.

love jesus, love allow. >> i can do both. >> you got to get a message out in the slums north of paris, where they're being radicalized and you have to deal with isis on the ground. >> i totally agree. at the same time people will not leave their homes in paris in copenhagen in stockholm, to go to syria or iraq if the force they're going to in iraq is a loser. the problem is isis is on the march. isis is putting these videos up. they look likitative got the winds at their back and history on their side. that's got to be stopped and, yes, the united states of america has to wake up. calm it what it is and start getting aggressive. the fact that three years later, we are now talking about possibly arming syrian rebels shows how asleep at the switch this president and this administration and this country

has been. >> all right, there is a big development of one of the top tools used against isis. the obama administration approved u.s. drones to allies. so far they have sold armed drones to the united kingdom t. sales will be approved on a case by case basis with the assurance drones will only be used for official purposes. the u.s. says it will give the u.s. greater control over how and where drones are used. less than two years ago, president obama said the u.s. would reduce its use of drones amid criticism and americans already targeted without due process. >> a big clang on the u.s. policy on drones one that obviously shows, again the pace is quickening. we are realizing we can't take this on our own shoulders. jeremy peters you had an interesting report on capitol hill how a new influx of veterans and military men and women on the hill is impacting how they view the fight against isis and pay impact the debate.

>> reporter: yes, i think that's right. one of the turning points in this debate is can the united states actually try to affect a political solution a governmental solution to this so it's not just us sending more troops over there, that we are working in concert with these local governments to help create some stability on the ground there and i think that unless you see that on the obama administration unless members of congress can be convinced that's the case it will be very difficult to get from congress the type of war authorization that he wants. >> sam stein, there are obviously the members of the house and the senate are back in their districts right now holding town hall meetings going to the grocery store, going out to eat at applebees on friday night with their families. i know of what i speak, people come up to them say things to them. i think it is far more likely what they are hearing sitting in

applebees on a friday night with tear family, someone is fought going to come up and say, hey, we need to go over and kick isis' [ bleep ]. what they're hearing is keep our sons and daughters home. it's their fight, not ours. >> that's going to make it harder when they come back to take an assertive stance in yet another war in the middle east. >> well quite a different conversation than the one taking place at chilis. so you got to make sure you have the right restaurant. >> they're warmongers at chilis. >> friday night at chilis the near con convention. i think you are right. we went through a five-to-ten year period where people were tired of this war footing of the post- -11 mentality. they want to disengage from the war a little bit. i think i'll doing the sort of an next dotal point here. >> that mountainset has changed and the proliferation of these

videos. they use the social media to get out the atrocities they've committed. >> can i can you this sam, about those videos? >> yes. >> there is a part of me that can't feel like we will look back ten years from now and say, my god, i can't believe how stupid we are. we allowed isis to play us the way they did. they put these people in orange jump suits. they do the most horrific things to them. we give them a disproportionate amount of network coverage and that, it's 24 hours a day. you look at the news channels. it's 24 hours a day, across the world and what does that do? that recruits for isis. >> yeah. >> that sort of gets to what our last conversation was, right, which was, do we want to be drawn in purely militarily into this conflict? does it make sense, for instance to put american boots on the ground in syria to commit more arms to the fight, to throw

more arms behind syrian moderate rebels. all these things you have to look at the short-term benefits and long-term benefits to engagement. it's a complex situation. it's what we're suggesting. i agree with you. i think a lot of this is a complete pr tactic by isis to try to draw foreign governments into syria to try to draw foreign governments into iraq and, you know we are not asking the question about whether we are being played like you said. >> i think it is a remarkable remarkable on an epic historic scale, a remarkable public relations campaign that is putting a desperate fighting force spread the out over two countries on the ground if the united states don't wipe out in a couple of weeks, but putting them on the front pages of newspapers and on news broadcast and cable news 24

hours a day. >> general hayden will be with us shortly. i would bet you that he would agree with the following premise that isis' principle goal their principle goal before establishment is to draw the united states back into the middle east in a war. >> that is the goal. >> and jordan and the uae and the sunnis that they see mica and egypt that they see as muslims that are inadequately pure. >> you talk about wiping out isis in a couple of weeks. americans can do that if they put sufficient boots on the ground. >> their war making ability. >> we defeated al qaeda in iraq in anbar province. we went in there. we wiped them out. they were gone. for about three years. >> and then we pleft. >> then they came back again. >> then we left too quickly. >> and we left too quickly. because there was no interest in staying in perpetuity to make

sure this organization didn't come back again. >> that's a question -- >> and they're back. >> i think people at this table argue we don't want to be we have our own problems. >> but you are confronted in the pentagon what they call the cockroach affect. no matter what you do no matter how many you kill they will come back like cockroaches. >> we will get one more story in. >> at least one more. we have more to cover and a lot more in the world of politics. first, benjamin netanyahu is facing a spending scandal with two weeks to go before the country's elections, a report by israel's state comptroller, accuses them of official spending at the residence and his private home when netanyahu took office in 2009 the expenses were about $500,000. it doubled two years later. >> that included more than

$122,000 on hospitality, expenses and $24 hour,000 on take-out food even though there is an in-house chef t. report found nearly $75,000 was spent over two years on person grooming. meanwhile, a new poll found 63% of americans believe it was wrong for house speaker john ban tore invite netanyahu to address congress without notifying president obama first. >> all right. then we move on to president obama's immigration action. today thousands of undocumented immigrants were going to be applying for legal protection instead the white house has been forced to postpone the launch indefinitely. >> on monday, a judge in texaco insided with the president's executive action and now administration officials say they have no choice but to comply with the order. president obama in the oval office on tuesday says he plans to appeal.

>> with respect to the ruling, i disagree with it. i think the laws are on our side and history is on our side and we are going to appeal it and we will be prepared to implement this fully as soon as the legal issues get resolved. >> meanwhile, jeb bush, a likely 2016 presidential contendered and long-time advocate of immigration reform used the ruling to take a swing at the president in a facebook post. it reads, quote, last 82er the president overstepped-is combektive authority and in turn hurt the effort twoorts common sense immigration solution. that's not leadership. >> we have a lot of ahead of us. jeremy peters if you can stay ahead of us we greatly appreciate it. also, you will be talking more about rand palm and his plan to run for president. still ahead of morning joe this morning, an awful lot. we are talking to senator dig

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. >> boston got more snow on top of the 56 nmpls they had. with that a new viral video craze has been born. it's kind of like the ice bucket challenge, instead of doing it for charity, they're doing it for no reason at all. this will give you a sense of what's going on out there.

>> blasted. >> oh. >> it is a chal. 2015, three-story roof. come on baby. >> whoohoohoo. >> here we go. da him. dam. >> he's going to do it aah! >> good luck to free legends. hey, i'm all right. >> all right. >> no, no no no. no. >> i didn't. i had more than my boxers on. >> do not do that. did you? i don't believe that. i think it's more like the polar plunge. okay. let's take a look at the morning papers. >> that i who you would not try at home. >> here let's look at this. >>. he's so nice. stop it joe. i saw you on "way too early"

saying it was creepy. it's not creepy. he's so nice. >> she looks just as comfortable as angela merkel when george w. bush decided to rub her shoulders. >> she's fine. let's go to either headlines this morning. pittsburgh post gazette:00 about 800 applicants to carnegie mellon were mailed acceptance letters. >> aye what a great school. >> i hope you ran and told your mom and dad who called me losers my whole life. look. >> i got in! >> i'm a winner mom. >> actually then they got e-mails later revoking the acceptance. the e-mails said in part you are one of the select few less than % of more than 1,200 applicants that we're inviteing. we're convinced this is the right place for you. seven hours later corrections went out. notifying applicants of the

revocation of their admissions office. carnegie mellon apologized for the error. unbelievable. you can't do that. maybe they ought to use snail mail. hbo tonight john oliver has been renewed for two more seasons, 35 episodes apiece. they put to ends rumors that he might replace jon stewart on the ""daly" show." jessica williams removed herself as a possible candidate via twitter saying i'm not hosting, thank you, but i am extremely under-qualified for the job. speaking of extremely under-qualified for like asking for forgiveness, we have one. >> we do. the new york post now, alex rodriguez issues a five paragraph handwritten letter to fans yesterday apologizing for his mistakes over the last couple of years. he wrote, quote, i take full responsibility for the mistakes that led to my suspension for the 2014 season.

i regret that my actions made the situation worse than it needed to be. he added, quote, it was gracious of the yankees to offer me the use of yankee stadium for this apology but i decided the next time i am in yankee stadium, i should be in pinstripes doing my job. the yankees owe rodriguez $61 million over the remaining three years of his contract. and this from the "new york times." an underdog has been named the year's top dog. her name miss p for what she did back stage before the contest began. >> stop it. >> a beagle from canada, she beat out best favorites port geeze water dog is a cousin of president obama's dog sonny, miss p also comes from a powerful family line. she is a grand niece of the 2008 winner. >> okay. usa today, donut maker, krispy kreme is apologizing. >> you don't want to do what they did. >> for making those doughnuts,

for an insensitive marketing promotion. a store in the u.k. called kkk wednesday, which was intended to stand for krispy kreme club. >> you can't do that the initials kkk are the acronym for the klu klux klan which you definitely do not want hanging inside or outside your doughnut shop in great britain on wednesday afternoons. >> they didn't mean it. that's bad. milwaukee sentinel a 92-year-old man won't be issued traffic tickets after a major happenings in the parking lot. avoid the piggly-wiggly store t. driver says he began to panic when his foot got stuck on the accelerator. it caused him to accidentally hit nine other cars in the lot. police say they're not going to charge him because it was considered an accident. luckily, nobody was hurt. >> oh that's nice. coming up we got general michael hay den with us. it will be great to talk to him

about the news of not only the day but the past several weeks. plus why is wall street getting very nervous about a rand paul presidency? we'll be right back.

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34 past the hour. a live look at the white house. the sun has yet to come up over walk. let's bring in chief white house correspondent politico mike allen with a playbook. the "new york times," mike talking about hillary clinton and senator warren meeting. tell us about that. >> reporter: well, mica first of all congratulations on your know your value tour. >> thank you. >> reporter: you announced starting in philly in april. progressives are very excited about this news this meet one on one at secretary clinton's phone with for warren and progressives say this means that secretary clinton is listening. they have been saying to hillary that these issues which are not at the top of the issue that she's known for are going to be so important to primary voters so this was smart by the clintons. they've always had the strategy of keep your enemies close. there is no one whose ideas and

popularity in the party are more threatening to hillary clinton. so keeping senator warren close. she shows no sign of running or chaling secretary clinton. so get her involved and send a signal that those issues will be important to your agenda. >> elizabeth warren is certainly the only other person on the democratic side talked about. hillary clinton talks everybody in the polls. mike politico has new reporting on one of rand paul's main talking points the fed and you say it rallies the libertarian base but also could pose big challenges for the republican senator down the road. name some of them. >> reporter: well, mica that's right t. question here is how seriously will people take rand paul? if rand paul starts to do well if rand paul looks like he is doing well in iowa new hampshire, i can tell that you wall street the business community is to be very nervous. he gets big applause when he goes to iowa with his audit the fed line saying how many people

out there think the fed is out to get us? this of course harkens back to ron paul and his presidential run. they call them the liberty voters. the conservative voters fans of ron paul bring them along, but what a lot of republicans say is when you talk about auditing the fed, you are talking about threatening the independence of the fed and the monetary policy. the fed, of course subject to audits the general accounting office. the feds has inspector general. so this is an issue that really plays where people think the government is out to get them. but it worries people in the business community. >> got it. one final note you have news politico has news about the dnc chair. congress woman debbie waserman schultes. >> mark pollute to he

discovered that debbie waserman schultz, the dnc chair from florida is making moves for running for senate. she wouldn't challenge marco rubio. she loves the idea of an open seat if senator rubio goes ahead with his presidential race. there is a long list of republicans and democrats who will jump at that seat if they get the chance and debbie waserman schultz is telling people keep your calendar opened. >> okay. mike allen, thank you so much. up next does using the term radical islam really matter? erick holder says. we will play you his reasoning on this plus general michael i had isn't our guest next. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? it kinda is. it's as crazy as you

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. >> with us now, we are greatly honored to have from washington, d.c. director retired general michael hayden. general hayden we missed talking to you over the past several weeks. now we have to catch up on a few things. yesterday the burning of 45 men not far outside of baghdad and not far from the base. we had the burnings of the jordanian pilot. we had one horrific accident after another. >> word of harvesting organs. >> who is isis if you are in charge of the operations what are you looking at? >> well first of all, joe, they continue to make these videos of these hideous acts. they think this plays to their demographic. isn't that a frightening thought that that helps them to recruit in some corners of the world, frankly in some corners of

islam. that's very tragic. >> so it is working, so you try to get to know your enemy. you are learning about your enemy what do you do to stop your enemy? >> there is a lot of things to be done. you quoted marie hartley that worked for me marie would like to take a mulligan. so in addition to applying military force here joe, we've got to work with our friends in the area to very boldly take on some of the issues that create this phenomenon. >> so you have to worry about the underlying aspects of it all. but when you are talking about, let's be blunt here when you are talking about the type of people that would be attracted to a movement because they see a jordanian pilot settle -- set on fire or burned alive or 21

christians beheaded while they are screaming for mercy on beaches in libya. you are dealing with people that are not going to be persuaded by a jobs program or a nice word and i talked to people in the agency under george bush and under barak obama that said all can you do is kill them. >> well for all of those who are already committed to come after us i agree with you, joy the euphemism we use is take them off the battlefield. that's kill or capture. what we need to concentrate on is by the way, we have been good at that task killing and capturing over the last 13 years. what we have been less good is the production rate of those that want to come kill us one three, or five years from now. unfortunately, our lovers in that fight aren't very powerful. >> why? >> we got to worry about friends. this is about islam, joe. it's a struggle within one of the world's great religions, our ability to influence that is

very indirectly. >> are you harkened by what's happening with the uae, egypt, jordan skooem seemingly more engaged in this fight? >> absolutely. look. when cici took over in -- assissi took over in ecrypt i wanted the government to run a little longer. i know that sounds a little outrageous. i wanted the muslim brotherhood to be responsible for governing. i wanted to see how idea logically pure they could stay when they had to pick up the garbage. they weren't successful. assissi replaced them. he has been authoritarian. >> that speech he gave at alazar university. he repointed to the problem and says you got a problemened you got to fix it. that's a remarkable move. >> on the comments you said you have to deal with the issues that create this phenomenon. we will be talking to her about that.

how capable are we to do that? what are the issues you are talking about? >> well, if you look xha had what's going on in the middle east right now, there are three struggles which makes it so complicated. you got isis jordan isis egypt, isis saudi arabia the struggle within sunni islam. you got a struggle between sunni and shia islam. that's iran, iraq syria, hezbollah and ten finally there is a struggle with elements of islam trying to deal with modarty across the west t. final threat is islam. this is a struggle within that machine no theism. we can't be the prime mover. but we can assist our friends in moving that struggle forward in a positive direction. >> mike barnacle. two questions, first of all, how do we participate in helping our friends in quote move that forward in that region of the world and secondly what are the

principle differences in your mind between al qaeda and isis and is there any potential for ending up with two scorpions in a bottle fighting each other? >> yeah well, the first question mica you mentioned something earlier this morning about the deal that the kingdom of saudi arabia has kind of made with the devil, and how they are sponsoring learning mohabism and so one of the things we have to do i think is some tough love with an allie. it is an allie. the tough love pointing out to them what they are doing is very destructive of them and us over the long term. with regard to isis and al qaeda, mike al qaeda is your grandfather's terrorist organization. isis is terrorism 2.0 or 3.0. they've left al qaeda in the dust. there are lots of differences

between the two. al qaeda, believe it or not, was more cerebral was more patient, was more theological. these guys are just violent and they want to immediately establish what they've claimed in iraq and syria. >> general hayden to the extent that there is a military component to this and there has to be some military component, including the possibility of boots of some sort on the ground. what does that look like realistically? lay it out for me. who are those boots and can we actually get them? are we going to get the uae qatar to actually put their people on the ground in those areas controlled by isis? >> it's a two-part problem, think, catty, the first is let me talk about iraq where i think we actually have the outlines and coherent strategy, we underresourced it. we need a larger western american presence there. our rules of engagement don't

allow americans to go very far forward in the battle. our winning hand there is air power. air power requires precise targeting. precise targeting requires tactical air targets. we need to be forward. again, coherent under resource. i don't see, catty, the coherence yet in syria. we are doing enough to slow isis down but not as expansionist as they were in syria and iraq four or five months ago. we're keeping tear heads down. we're decapitateing. sorry to use that word decapitateing some of their leadership. >> right. >> but there are limits to what air power alone can do. we do feed boots on the ground. joe said earlier, sunni boots. i totally agree, that's a hard ask on our part. but we need to keep pressing. >> general hayden stay with us. you talked about coherence, whether we have. if we don't, what we need to do

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. >> we continue our conversation with general hayden. let's talk about u.s. foreign policy, if we have it if not, what do we need to do to get it? >> in one sense, joe, i think there might be some coherence in light of foreign policy. we get convergence i think on the belief of the current administration that in many ways we were the problem, that american overreach, american arrogance has led to a lot of the world's problems now i think after six, seven years of experience, i think it's beginning to dawn on a lot of folks, maybe we weren't the problem, all the times, even though we have made our mistakes. >> so what do we do forward to fix that? >> i think it calls for a more active american role in the world, american brigades in the iraqi or syrian desert. it requires a lot of attention

by us using all the elements of our strength which are considerable, to engage in the world and look for better outcomes for a world that fundamentally now is more trouble than i've seen any time in my lifetime. >> what would be the first step for you, general? >> paying attention, look, i go get to talk to a lot of friends in the world. one of the common themes this sounds critical joe, but it's a fact. one of the common themes i get from my friends is where are you guys? it's american absence right now that's being felt. >> well, you hear that mica we hear that, everywhere we go from ambassadors, we hear it from foreign leaders. we hear it from sunni leaders in the region. >> it's the friction though the conversation is though should we be in there? where are you guys? then when we are there, why are we there? and how many times? >> it's not an all or nothing proposition. >> i agree, you fight both sides of this argument though. there are two very good sides to this argument going in. >> we're not talking about

100,000 or 200,000 troops. there is a big difference between being actively engaged, diplomatically and every other way and sending 100,000 troops into the iraqi desert. >> what are you talking about sending in troops? >> we are talking being more aggressive than this administration has been, their focus is not to be seen as a bush administration. they have been every bit as idea logical on being world sonnian and exporting democracy across the world. now this administration has been obsessive for six years, not being the bush administration. general stay with us. that's just my opinion. general, stay with us. we will also be joined by former state department adviser vali nasser jim miklazewski with the latest from the pentagon. >> and a live report from the massive train derailment and explosion in west virginia.

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:" . you spend more time talking about what do you call it as opposed to what do you do about it? you know really you know if fox didn't talk about this they'd have nothing else to talk about it would seem to me. you know radical islam, islamic extremism. you know i'm not sure an awful lot is gained by saying that. it doesn't have any impact on our military posture.

it didn't have the impact on what we call it on the policies that we put in place. the what we have to do is defies not by the terms that we use but by the facts on the ground. >> erick holder yesterday, what do you think about what he said about i slam? >> we like erick. after he leaves office but the last time i checked, roger cohen with the "new york times" wasn't fox news contributor and joe klein with "time" magazine wasn't a fox news contributor and i've read a lot of columns in this country and across the world making the same critique of this bizarre reluctance to call islamic extremism islamic

extremism when people call islamic extremism islamic extremism. >> it's not hard to say, it's not hard to understand and it is also a part of know lack the enemy is. >> again, i talked about this yesterday in my hometown of pensacola, florida. we had 30 christmases ago, people throw you i think it was a church an abortion clinic. they call eight gift for baby jesus. somebody can call them christian extremists without me going, oh my god, why are they talking about me? >> of course. >> so that is the fundamental mistake, i called it intellectual craftiness at the white house. >> we still need to talk about actually the bigger issue of defeating isis and there is no

doubt this is a footnote in the much bigger debate. >> it's important. you want to know your enemy and you saw the atlantic this week. you want to know what drives them and motivates them and saying it's not about islam. it's the atlantic cover story. it actually doesn't are the fight. as roger cohen says not calling it islamic extremism actually discuss a disservice to billions of muslims around the world who are offended by this as well. >> we have sam stein still with us. the former director of the cia and nsa, retired general michael hayden. he is now a principles joining the table, senior adviser now the dean of john hopkins school of advanced international study vali nasser and from the pentagon pentagon correspondent jim miklazewski. >> mik, why don't we start with you? we had you yesterday morning, after the show alex kourson,

the executive before the hour and i sat down. er with going over the show tomorrow and we turned to each other and said what's next? there always has to be something next. we are never happy with one beheading. then it's two beheadings 21 beheadings. 15 minutes after that news broke from nbc that there were 45 45 people set on fire alive so where's the pentagon today? >> well, joe, in terms of those reports, that 45 sunnis in the area of the al baghdadi were loaded into a truck of some kind and set affair by isis fighters. so far the u.s. military says they've seen those reports and there were many that there is no solid confirmation from either u.s. intelligence or the military that that occurred. that's the only hopeful sign in what has been transpireing out

of iraq as of late. >> let me ask you of things we have confirmation on. quite a shift of drone policy president obama saying they're going to sell drones to other countries to allies. we hear they're talking about arming syrians, quite a few things moving yesterday afternoon. >> the obama administration has been reluctant to provide any kind of weapons to the moderate rebels so-called if syria, because there was never any real any real or confidence that they would remain in the hands of those rebels because that whole area is so -- there are nearly a thousand separate tribes each with their own agenda, on any different date they'll side withes a al nuzra, the al baghdadi club. so it's a real mix of people they have to rely on.

now the training is going to begin in mid-march in small numbers. they eventually hope to train up to 5,000 of these moderate rebels. the weapons they will provide in the meantime will be pick-up trucks mortar light weapons, for defensive purposes only and it probably won't surprise you or general hayden but the lawyers have a huge problem with the next step in giving those moderate rebels so-called radios to actually call in u.s. airstrikes against targets. the concern is that they'll use their airstrikes to settle scores with other of their own rebels right and/or the worst would be if they were to call in airstrikes and it turned out to be syrian military targets, which would then of course be an act of war. >> mike barnacle. >> okay, general, first of all, you have to answer mik's questions, if you could answer his question and perhaps get to

my question which is is isis self-funding or do they get money out of saudi arabia and places like that? >> one of the distinctions between isis and al qaeda, isis is far more self funding. al qaeda was in hiding al qaeda was a terrorist group. isis is a state, it collects taxes, it sells things they're far less dependent upon funding from radicals say in the persian gulf. with regard to mik's question yeah i can see pentagon lawyers all over this question because we have no legal authority to conduct war against the syrian state. it just shows how complex this situation really is mike. >> well what do you think about the issue of all the lawyers

erupting and possibly helping the syrians this way? >> well this is something that's actually going to turn for us. but if we don't have a strategy for changing the dynamics of the syrian war on the ground right now. and, there were a direct u.s. intervention would be a game changer. it would require us to make a decisive decision as to who we are supporting, how we are arming them. >> does it need to be done? >> it will need to be done. i think there are steps before that. we haven't tried to get our allies on the same page in syria, turkey saudi arabia jordan there are supporting different strategies. they want different outcomes in syria. and we're not going to get the region supporting us on this strategy. we have to step up diplomat especially. >> let's go to isis is this sustainable what they're doing? >> well they think it's sustainable. >> do you think it's sustainable?

>> i think they have shorter objectives. i think the satisfyagery to design shock and all and intimidate soldiers when you set a soldier on fire it makes soldiers or tribesmen or people recruiting to think of being cap cured. there is a message largely to their insanity. >> that insanity though in that case saved a king who a year ago himself said he might not survive a year. king abdullah is bulletproof so to speak because of what they did i wonder whether isis at the end of the day is doing the united states the greatest of favors by actually getting countries involved that have always sat badge and let us in their own sons and daughters to die. they now have a stake in it. they have a stake in it because isis. >> well, that's possibly the case right now.

i think isis is not fighting for public opinion if jordan. isis is trying to intimidate the jordanian military and also isis is looking to recruit individual muslims who are attracted by its power play to come and fight. they have a very different strategy. we have to sort of be mindful about the way they're thinking and try to block that. >> general, i'll ask you this same question i asked vali nasser. do you think isis' strategy is sustainable? >> think think it is as valli said for planning purposes i think we have to assume it is. joe, this is not going to purpose itself out. it will take positive action as valli said getting our friends in the same area on the same page. we don't have coherence as to what the core problem is. we think it's isis t. turks think it's the syrian government. so we got an awful lot of lifting to do. >> general hayden.

what is the conversation with the turks and the saudis and the qatar region the uae go like that persuades them after what they have seen with a jordanian pilot captured it is worth putting soldiers on the ground to fight against the islamic state. >> i think the point i mentioned it's not going to burn itself out. isis is not an existential threat against the united states. it is an existential threat against the sunni mon allergics.monarchys. i think the quicker they realize that. >> i was wondering the role of congress, a good question for nick, obviously a debate is happening in the halls of congress, the president says he has legal authority to do what he is doing under the 2001 uae map but do you think there is a

need to get authorization on use of force and what advantages does it do in terms of our foreign policy? >> it's interesting because president obama and the white house say he is doing this when it provides him more flexible. when you talk to folks here he has more flexible than relying on 35 members of congress and again the sense here is that the president is wideing time. he's got two years left in his administration. now congress will share responsibility for whatever decisions are made in iraq and at this point while everybody here wants as much support as they can possibly get. nobody here sees this as a necessarily productive or positive step forward. >> is eight sort of a risk to throw this to congress? let's say congress can't pass any agreed upon force against isis. does that then become a pr tool for the islamic state to say,

look america is divided. i'm voting to confront this. >> well it certainly would leave the impression there is a divide america. the only plus side right now is that the republicans control both sides of the house and senate both sides of congress. so, if in fact the republicans remain as one there would probably be a good chance that president obama would get anything he wants regarding isis iraq and syria at least in the short term. >> mike barnacle. >> nick, the question fairly close to the alleged incident that occurred supposedly yesterday, the burning of 45 people near al baghdadi in iraq there is 300 marines about 50 kilometers from that site. what's on the planning board there at the pittsburgh for potential reenforcement if isis decides to go after them?

>> well, those marines are advise and assist they're training iraqis at the al-assad airbase, which is in the heart of what some call enemy territory there in iraq but those marines very isolated from any of the activity on a daily basis, you are get a mortar here. a mortar there. they will come nowhere near the central core of that base and the (s are pretty much protected, but there are apache helicopters also at that base so that they can respond immediately if there is any potential threat to either the iraqis or the u.s. marines. at al-assad airbase. >> obviously since obama made this presentation on congress we had the murders on the beach the mass burnings and the politics of this could the president find himself aligned with top republicans on this issue at least? >> i don't know if he can or not and i think this is such a complicated issue.

it's very easy for republicans. it's easy for me for democrats to be critical what this president is doing. when you look at polls, americans say they want it to be more involved. you talk to americans and we have talked to a lot of americans over the past four five six years. a lot over the past six months. >> yep. >> they don't want to go back to war. they have been exhausted by 12 years of warfare. this is not, if we had a referendum, a nationwide referendum right now about whether we sent boots on the ground to go back over there, i'm not so sure that that would pass. >> i'd be surprised. >> you think more people want to go over there? >> i think this week they indicate that. >> i do not hear it. i think it's much more complicated than that. let's give final thoughts. >> i think on this we get a strategy on the ground and we get our allies aligned together as if you will create a danger of us going to war. the way isis is going, they can provoke. they have blindsided the

president multiple times since they have emerged. you know you end up with a situation where president obama is reacting to isis and then very quickly, we will find out that we have to actually follow a military strategy when we don't want to. i think if i were the president, i would put much more diplomatic effort right now into this. >> by the way, there is not a clear military strategy. we were talking about the weinberger doctrine last week. there really we have not had a commander-in-chief go out, explain to the american people what depressing u.s. interest is. it requires americans to go fight and die, more importantly, what the trigger is to get those troops back home. what is the in addition? we haven't heard that. general hayden. let me go to you for the final thought. >> sure, it doesn't get better with time. it goes to the final time. this would have been easy to do one, two, three years ago. we had more options, i think it

is as valli suggests time for us to focus and act. >> jim miklazewski, always great to have you. thank you so much general. valli thank you as well. we appreciate it. another story we are following, the train carrying 3ple gallons of crude oil is still burning this morning nearly 48 hours after it derailed in west virginia. now we are learning the tanker cars on that train were newer models recently that had upgrade. nbc news environmental affairs correspondent anne thompson. ann, what are federal investigators looking for at this point? >> reporter: well, the biggest question mica is what caused this accident? was it snow? it was snowing heavily at the time, was it speed? was the train going at appropriate speeds or was it going too fast? those are the questions investigators will hopefully start to answer to figure out what caused this horrific accident. the fireball that erupted

happened even though the oil was carried on improved tankers. >> we got to call a train derailment. >> reporter: tankers designed to better withstand an accident. >> i think that calls into question how resilient and how tough these tank cars actually may be. >> reporter: even 24 hours after the derailment the scene was still too hot for investigators to inspect. 19 of the 10 trail cars still smoldering. more than 100 of those cars oil tankers. the train was carrying oil from the bakkan fields in north dakota to virginia. the government says bakkan oil is more flammable than heavier crudes from california or canada. once more with limited pipelines out of north dakota more oil is carried on the rails. in 2009, more than 10,000 tanker cars carried oil. in 2013 that number jumped to

500,000. they arrived. last april, 20,000 gallons of oil went into the james river in lynchburg, virginia. december 2013 400,000 gallons spilled in castleton, north dakota. in july 2013 47 people killed in quebec canada. a day after being told not to drink the water for fear of contamination, some good news for residents. >> now with the tests coming back all negative people can get the water. >> now, about 2,000 residents are able to turn on their taps this morning. they are under a boil water oil because some bacteria may have gotten into the pipes. as to the cause, csx railroad says it's way too early to speculate. it points out three days before this derailment the rails in this area were affected. >> nbc's anne thompson thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe, a new poll across the country.

>> that itself the other story we are following. a new poll find the majority of americans don't agree with john boehner inviting benjamin netanyahu to address congress. congressman peter king and howard dean square off over that issue ahead. plus the department of homeland security runs out of funding in nine days. where those negotiations stand and who americans will likely blame if it shuts down. we get the latest reporting from capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell and the washington post's robert kosta. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. .

. >> 23 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." remember after the elections when top members of congress vowed no new shutdowns. >> kind of like the summer of love. >> yes. we will not shut down the government. >> we will work together.

>> we will work together. >> we will get along. >> the department of homeland funding runs out of money in a week t. republicans get the lion's share of the blame. they wouldn't walk into that trap again, who you would they? seriously, everything with ted cruz and all that they wouldn't do that would they joe? joining us from washington nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell and political reporter robert kosta. >> we have sam stein. let's start with kelly o'donnell, kelly, what itself the latest? >> reporter: wouldn't you think muscle memory tells the american people if there is a shutdowndown, they will blame republicans, john boehner and other republican leaders are trying to say, no, no no, blame the democrats. in this group where the parlor game of understanding how legislation works and the strategy in the senate actually works where they're trying to

say it's senate democrats who won't even allow consideration of the bill to keep the department opened. why is that? because it contains a lot of things democrats don't like and they don't want to run the risk of not being able to make changes to it. even though we are in a spirit of having amendments on the floor. so the blame game is important. also important to know right now, joe, mica they are away in their home districts. some are traveling, raising money. they have a chance to hear from people at home what they think about this. when they get back into town next week we will get a better sense of where this is going. certainly, leadership doesn't want to show which way it's going yet because still in washington even with republicans in charge of both chambers it appears the 11th hour strategy has not yet gone away. >> bob kosta, let me bring you in. republicans in the house will of course, tell you, we did their job. we passed a bill and if harry reid thinks he will be able to hold democrats to get exactly

what he wants and dictate from the minority in the u.s. senate what this bill is going to look like at the end then they're out of the mind. what my sources tell me is we passed our bill. they can pass their bill and then we go to conference and resolve it. what's wrong with that strategy? >> they would like to see maybe a conference come towing and they can have a resolution t. house republicans want to do two things, show the conservative activists they are fighting the executive action at the same time they want to fund the department of homeland security. so how do they resolve that? i believe they have an outs with the court. if the courts will go after the president's decision i believe they can make the orth that the executive actions are still being fought even if they do a stop gap bill to fund the dhs. >> so maybe push it off a month or two while the courts are doing what they're doing? >> that's right. is it an appropriations deal that's clean or that it's

continuing resolution that simply funds the dhs at current levels, how that plays out, no one is sure. >> sam stein, we were talking on the phone last night comparing notes. i left my note for reporting from republicans. you were reading your notes or reporting on republicans and democrats and both sides were both saying the same thing, we can't do this it's a precedent. talk about the precedent on the democratic side. >> yeah this has become almost more about procedure than policy at this juncture. both sides basically say if we cave on this it will set a terrible precedent for the remaining two years of the obama administration t. democrats say we can't allow them to use appropriations bills whether for agency or all government to extract policy concessions, for republicans, they say, look we can't allow a minority in the senate to dictate what we will produce from congress as a whole. so each side basically they've doubled down in essence on

policy on procedure over policy. the other thing that i got from our reporting which is sort of echoing what bob was talking about is essentially this juncture, there is more chatter now about punting on this issue. they look at this court decision from texas. they say, maybe that gives them a cover to pass a couple month long dhs funding bill that would be clean allow the legal process to play out and allow us to re-visit the issue three or four months down the road. this would be sort of in line with what congress does almost every single time on these things which is they essentially put it off. they kick the can down the road. i wouldn't be more surprised if you hear more chatter about that in the days ahead. >> we are told we have to go bob kosta, you made news yesterday with john casich running for president. >> casich is in north carolina studying up on foreign policy.

he wants boots on the ground. at the same time he acknowledged the war weariness you talked about in the republican party. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. >> robert kosta, thank you. >> sam stein, thank you. up next richard blumenthal will be here in studio a senator from connecticut. >> i know him well. later this hour the great larry king will be here. we are back in just a moment with much more requested morning joe." .

mica we have been talking about what senators congress people have been hearing in their districts about the war. we got a real live senator with us right now. we will ask him about it. democratic senator from connecticuted a veterans affairs and armed services committee, senator blumenthal. you sponsored an act important to the heart of veterans. >> very important because it provides government health care to prevent the 22 veterans who commit suicide every day, named after clay hunt who came back from afghanistan and took his own life. his mom testified before the

veteran's affairs city they were on the ranking member and very, very powerful and movingly at the signing ceremony in eastern -- >> it was a moving ceremony thank you so much. >> and john mccain deserves credit. he worked with me in spearheading and championing. >> so many people inside and outside, john mccain, ours, jeff miller on the house side has been a champion of this as well. let me ask you the question we have been talking about around the table. >> that is we see these polls. some polls show as many as 60% of americans want boots on the ground and mica and i in all the speeches we've given and the book tours, that's not what we're hearing at all. i'm curious, what are you hearing when you go home? do people in connecticut want boots on the ground? >> not in my experience. americans do not want a massive land war. they do not want massive

commitment so u.s. combat troops on the ground. i believe that military force is a necessary component to defeat isis, with i is why i asked the president to submit another aue map. but military force alone will not be sufficient to provide the political and governance solutions that are necessary there. it may provide some space to enact reforms, but there have to be involvement, commitment engagement of our partners in that part of the world. >> senator, when are you home in connecticut this week i'm sure you pick up the vibe that people you have spoken to already this morning, people are exhausted from the last 13 14 years of war. we have an exhaustive nation an exhaustive military because of the wars we have been fighting. but isn't there an opening for someone, some public 'earn to speak to this country. to speak to your state, to speak to your constituency about the fact that as long as we are at

war, we will be at a sort of war even longer done the road? five ten years? because we are fighting an ideology that will not go away? >> there is a need to speak to the threat and as a member of the armed services committee, what i'm hearing is this military is far from exhausted. we have tremendous resources. i tend to describe this generation of military men and women as our next greater generation. we want to be very proud of them. they're far from exhausted. they're ready for this challenge. it's not going to be the same challenge of massive numbers of u.s. combat troops on the ground. it will be the special operators. the special operations in these countries that provide intelligence that protect american citizens that enable the attacks and strikes, that make sure we are safe in the homeland. we tend to concentrate on what's going on in parts of the world but some of these threats are to our homeland and our security

people here have done some very very good work in encountering those threats. a lot is classified. when it's successful it can't be made public. >> all right. i want to ask you about israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's address to congress. we have a poll we were reporting on this morning that find 63% of americans say it was wrong for house speaker john boehner to invite netanyahu to address congress without notifying the president. there are some democrats talking about not showing up not being there during that address. where do you stand on this issue? >> i'm going to attend this speech. i do agree it was unfortunate that speaker boehner invited the prime minister without apparently consulting with the president and that really has very serious implication. bus our relationship with israel has been bipartisan and

sancosanc in bipar sand ship to israel because our national security is involved as well. this envytation threatened that bipartisanship. my conclusion is the best way to restore or preserve the kit is to go to the speech. being absent is not a way to cement that relationship. >> a divisive move by boehner? what do you think the intention was? >> i don't know what his intention was. but the effect had to be understood and anticipated and, of course there are conflicting facttuals of what new what when but the net effect really is to threaten that bipartisanship which is so important. >> senior richard blumenthal thank you so much. >> we appreciate you being here

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that's my main criticism of the president is. it's an uncertain trumpet. we will be engaged in a struggle with isis its hearts and minds and the military on full court press t. president cannot say up front what he will do. i can tell you talking to lead abroad, they don't think the president is committed on this that's why when you talk about getting jordanians and egyptians bother on the ground they don't trust this president will be there at the end of the day. >> what a constituency? >> my district is a little more hawkish. we had so many more jets i say probably a majority let's say we could use boots. having said that with understand the fighting starts and tracks on i don't know hostage that will last. i don't think we can base foreign policy on polls of the day. in the late 1930s, they said then fight hitler. that's where leadership is important. to show the american people why we have to make a stand. i think the president talks

about a long ground war. i think we don't have to have large number of troochls i think we need to have troops in bed with iraqis and spotters on the ground and we feed special forces and we need more to protect our intel on the ground. >> i ask you the same question how aggressive do we get with scientists? >> we have to be aggress ev. i think the president is getting exactly what he wants. >> that is finally the commitment of the people in the region to put troops on the ground. this president has seen the models of what happens when we go in and we are expected to do everything. people all over the world continue the united states to do everything. i believe we will be the leaders. we are the biggest country with the best army. but the fact is it's been a long time since the jordanians and the egyptians and the others are doing what they've done now. i think that's a result of the president saying if you want us to be in this fight. you have to be in this fight. >> i will is ask you both peter

king israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's address to congress. was eight divisive move by speaker boehner to invite him without talking to the president first? >> i think it was important to invite him. the reason i say that yes, israel has been bipartisan this administration is hostile going back to 2009 when there was a suggestion of moral equivalency between israel and the palestinians, the snubs that have been given to prime minister netanyahu. apart from that we are right now racing towards an agreement with iran. i think israel the israeli prime minister it's important to the marine people to hear his version of why he believes that agreement is wrong. israel was threatened by it. i think having the foremost leader allie in the region come and explain to the american people why this race with an agreement with iran is dangerous, important as education tolls of the american people. >> we just had the senior saying all along he will be attending the speech. if you were in congress at the

moment would you join those members in both the house and senate who are thinking of boycotting netanyahu's speech? >> i would not go with the speech. i think netanyahu has been a disaster. i agree with peter, i'm not a big fan, i don't trust the yarnian government as far as i can throw them. the fact of the matter is that this started when joe biden went over and the israelis announced, netanyahu government announced 2000 settlement lodgings on the west bank. this is you know i don't think, i don't trust netanyahu. i think he's not served us real well. imagine obama going over two weeks before the election here and giving a speech where he tells the israelis how they should run their foreign policy. it's outrageous what's going on. i think boehner was trying to get some political advantage. i think he made a mistake. the guy that really made a mistake is yetia huh by accepting, it was stupid to do. he's harmed the israeli

relations greatly. >> peter king. is the department of homeland going to stay opened and is it going to be the government's fault is it doesn't? >> it has to stay opened. the republicans are draez for getting involved in this debate. if we learned anything with tez cruz in the fiasco in 2013 don't be shutting down the government. more than that, let me say this as new york as an american when we see threats, we see paris, denmark, people being burned to death. with see terrorism on the rise everywhere. we know the threats against our own country. our response to that is to threaten to shut down the department of homeland security. it's insanity. i know we should say the democrats should vote to bring about closure. all people should know is we shut down the government and we control the house and the senate. knock it off. make sure the funding rep mains. we are dealing with people's lives here. we're not talking about a bridge or any of that. i never want to see another 9-11 like i saw 13 years ago. >> ply ka once again, peter king. >> i love it. >> peter king mentioning every

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million viewers. your show won an emmy award. it's really going great. >> it's hard to believe. when i started -- i thought i could retire. when i left cnn. i thought, i'm fine. i got two little boys playing ball. i was 77 at the time and now i'm 81. >> come on now. >> yeah. >> and when i was a kid, no one was 80. so 64 65 you dropped dead. right? >> yeah. >> and so i -- i thought i could leave, and then i was sitting home one night and osama bin laden was killed and i wanted to jump up off the chair and run somewhere and broadcast something and lucky enough carlos slim in mexico was a good friend inquired what i was going to do and my wife came up with the idea of "larry king now" and called the network and hulu distributes us. >> how's that different being on a web-based channel as opposed

to tv? >> we don't do it live. like, this is live. i love live. >> you can't take back when you said here. >> correct. >> i tried. it doesn't work. >> don't try again. >> second best thing is taping a show. we tape. half hour instead of an hour but i also add add "politicking" show, we do twice a week. on rt and on aura and then i added "larry king at bat" for the damagers baseball network, because i love that. i do that twice a week and a podcast with my wife. a new kind of radio. so i'm more busy but i'm having more fun because it's so relaxing. since i'm in the fortunate position of owning a piece of my own network. >> uh-oh. >> so i don't have suits. i don't have to deal with -- no one upstairs calls me. >> tell me about the politicking tv? >> i love that because i did so much politics at cnn. i was doing one night a week of politicking and now we do two.

r st. rt is a very interesting network. they license our show and have no say in our show. putin gets ripped a lot on the show although last week he was widely praised by this professor, sterner, steiner, some are interesting guy, too a pro-putin approach towards all of this. thought putin's right in where he's going and thinks putin could be a friend of america. a very interesting guy, but what i love in doing interviewing is different points of view which you should love too. >> right. it's so fascinating, because you look at what you're doing now all the things you're doing now. you look at your remarkable run on cnn. of course, mike and i were first introduced to you and so many americans first introduced to you on the mutual radio network, but at the end of the day, it's all the same. it's just talking to people. right? >> i tell that to people. in 1957 i started in radio. >> god. >> so -- if i make it to 2017

that will be 60 years. i've broadcasted seven decades. i still remember my first day on the air, but what i'm doing now it's the same. the only difference, mike, is the -- joe, is the transition. you know why i called you mike? >> e look just like each other. >> no. but it's the transmission. people always go what do you tell new journalist students i'm not a journalist at the end of the day it's about knowing how to write a sentence talk to a person and how to tell a story. that never changes. does it. >> never chags. >> from campfires 2,000 years ago to what you're doing today. >> the methods of transmission are different. >> you love working. don't you? >> what would i do all day? >> what would you do if you didn't work? >> who's the auzdience, larry? >> younger. people on the website bep go through the roof when i have a

hip-hop guy on. i was interested in that. i don't understand all of it but my -- the thing tab is my curiosity has never waned. and always i am intensely -- i'm the kind of guy you don't want to sit next to on a plane. i'm always asking questions. my motto in life was always i never learned anything when i was talking. so a lot of pundits sometimes, they all look at each other like, my career is over. when i look at other shows and i see people talking more and using the word "i," they're not learning anything when they're using that. so i try not to use the word "i" in interviewing. i thought it was irre vinchts just heard it -- irrelevant. i'm interviewing, if i'm hosting i don't have to say "i." >> exactly. i love it. i'm hearing are voice and thinking everything's okay. >> grandfather larry is here.

>> you can catch "larry king now" every monday wednesday and friday at 2:00 p.m. eastern time on hulu.com and oraa tv. larry king always great to see you. come back soon. >> i love coming here. one recommendation. >> what? >> regular cups. mugs. you don't have a mug? >> i'll get awe mug. >> we'll get awe mug, larry. it's okay. >> we're an internet show. we got a mug. >> okay. i need a mug. >> a big building we got mugs. she's been taking a lot of heat for what she calls a nuance position on isis. state department spokewoman marie harf joins us to explain they are comments plus joined by a helicopter pilot who worked in the highest levels of of counter terrorism. his take on how to combat the terror threat. "morning joe" continues in just a moment.

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welcome back to "morning joe." patti kaye mark barnicle still with us. >> important announcement. >> it is ash wednesday. first in lent. purple. >> what are you giving up mike? decided? >> i'm going to decide by nine-time today. several options i'm thinking about. >> i'm not catholic. i'm not giving up anything. >> even though you're not catholic? >> nope. >> i'm giving up mincing words.

>> that's a problem for me. >> yes it is. >> did you ever mince words? >> yes. sometimes i work on worrying about how people feel. >> i'm starting to sweat. >> i don't do that anymore. >> we're all scared. dan just said he was scared as well. we have a lot to talk about. we're obviously going to talk about what's been breaking with isis. also, some of the things the administration talked about yesterday afternoon, a change of policy on drones also talking about arming the syrians. possibility of having coordinated attacks, air attacks, with the syrians, of course the lawyers we learned earlier inside today the pennell pentagon, very concerned. >> absolutely. >> and talking to a state department spokeswoman, said thing as few people jumped on yesterday. we're going to talk about those today. and barbaric acts by islamic

state militants. two iraqi political leaders confirm a police chief's report of isis having burned more than four dozen people to death in the town of al baghdadi some victims believed to be members of iraq's security forces. the militants may be harvesting organs amid mounting allegations they're doing this to finance their terror active pity. meanwhile, nbc news learned they will equip in syria, fully vetted first and no decision made yet about allowing the rebels to call in air stix.nin air strikes, a complicated prospect for sure. >> very complicated. the question is of course you're going, have a lot of people asking the question why didn't we do this before? is this enough and even now are we going to be giving repens toweapons to the right factions?

>> and what will they use the weapons for? you could have syrian rebels calling in strikes against syrian military but that would then put america in the position of attacking syrian military which is an act of war. the whole things seems very complicated and i'm not quite clear whether we thought two or three steps down the road in this chess procedure, because there are unintended consequences of arming syrian rebels, and giving them the mechanism for calling in air strikes that we -- that could come back to haunt us. >> you know mike you have certain people in washington say, well gee, we should have armed the syrian as few years ago. had we armed the syrians a fur years ago, there is no doubt some of those weapons would have ended up in the hands of people who are now in isis. and the question is now even two years later, who are those people we give weapons to? do we have a better idea? i've yet to hear one person from

capitol hill saying we should give arms to the resistance in syria and then when you ask a follow-up question we have it on tape all on tape. well who? what faction? who are we talking about specifically? they never have an answer. they still don't have an answer. who are they? >> it is pick your poison. it is injecting yourself through handing over weapons or advisers to help them on the ground. you're injecting yourself into the middle of an ethnic religious civil war that's raging throughout that area of the world. >> all right. joining us from washington we have deputy spokesperson for the state department marie harf, and marie, thank you for coming on. good to have you on. you've come under a lot of criticism for comments you made on "hardball" on this network how to defeat isis islamic militants. we want to see what you said and talk about it. first what you said on "hardball." >> we cannot win this war by killing them. we cannot kill our way out of

this war. we need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups. whether lack of opportunities for jobs. >> we're not going to be able to stop that in our lifetime or 50 lifetimes. always going to be poor people poor muslims and as long as there's poor muslims trumpets blowing. they'll join. >> we can work with people around the world to help improve nur governance and build their economy to have job opportunities for these people. >> earlier this morning, it was said expects you won a mulligan for those comments. what's your response? >> general hayden said you all worked together. >> we did. we did. >> do you agree with your former boss or not? that's a tough question. isn't it? >> well i'm not sure i would take a mulligan on this one, but i think he went on to say something i would agree with. that, look in the short term and i said this on "hardball" the other night, we are killing them and will continue killing isis terrorists that pose a

threat to us. we're very good at that. general hayden to speak to that better than anyone. in the longer term not specific to isil military commanders counter terrorism experts agree if you're going to prevent terror groups from spreading to other places and getting more lee kruts, you have to look at root causes that lead people to extremism. do it all. take them on militarily and look at things like governance like opportunity so these groups aren't able to get more people to their cause. absolutely. >> mike barnicle. >> talking about the clip we just showed and the extended clip which you continue to talk about, the broad ramifications of what's going on with isis when you say, "we," we have to do this we can do this define the ultimate term of "we," because it's not just in the middle east. we have huge slums outside paris that are spawning grounds for radical extremists.

define the "we." >> i think the we is the international community and a very good question. this is not something the united states can do on its own. this week the state department at the white house, we have over 60 countries from around the world who are facing a number of different kinds of extremist threats, who are coming together to say, okay. what are the best practices how question identify people who may become extremists before they do? to help prevent that? once they do to help counterthat. this is not -- you're absolutely right, mike this is not just a threat in one place. if you look at the lord's re's zichbt army and joseph coney. i don't remember people talking about that much more but that's a christian group and there are tools to go after each one of them. >> talk about what secretary of state john kerry, what the state department can to do get egypt, turkey, the uae, jordan and

other countries much more actively involved in this fight against isis so we're not leading the way again? >> we can lead the way and that's what we're doing. you're absolutely right. we have gotten countries like egypt and jordan on board with this effort against isil. in the short term where we have to take military action and we're committed to that. extraordinary to see other middle eastern country taking strikes against isil. extraordinary thing. we've seen the region come together against this threat. it's not just military. do more to cut off financing, the flow of foreign fighters turkey is a main route for people to get into syria to take up arms with isil. they know they need to do more and have done more but all the countries in the region not just on foreign fighters but on financing, too, really need to do more because they're the ones, you know closest geographically to this threat and they're the ones who can play a bigger role.

>> what has turkey done? maddening to see an ally sitting on the sidelines doing things counterproductive. what has turkey done recently to step up? >> joe, they started cracking down on the foreign fighters networks on the ways they can get from turkey into syria. it's a very porous border in respect is more work to do but also agreed to host one of these syrian opposition training programs in their country, where we will be training and equipping syrian opposition. you can talking about that before i came on. right now we're vetting some of these opposition members, because we need to be deliberate as we do this but the turkless helpturkless -- turks will help us. >> we're good at killing isis said, but we're not doing enough with the air strikes. it's going to take ground forces. it we're really going into syria and root them out as in anbar province in iraq. who's going to do that and what are the conferences you're privy

to in the state department with allies on the ground? they're looking at this saying you must be kidding me. we're not putting our soldiers in harm's way. we saw what they did. why on earth would we do that? >> we've always said there needs to be boots on the ground but they need to be iraqis or kuds when it um cans to iraqi territory and the syrian opposition in syria, but this is a long tight here. look how long it's going to take to get the syrian opposition better trainedance better equipped, that's going to be a longer fight but we want the forces on the ground to be from that place. they know the people better. they know the terrain better. we'll help them from the air but they need to be the boots on the ground. not us. >> marie harf thank you for joining us. >> no mulligan taken. >> you've had a busy week. >> no mulligan taken. exactly. >> we hope your week's a bit more relaxing. >> i get t. thank you. one of the top tools used against isis and other militant organizations for the past

decade, the obama administration is approving the sale of u.s.-made drones to american ally spoeps far only sold drones to the unite kingdom. >> sale ace proved on a case-by-case basis with the assurance the drones will only be used for legal purposes. officials say this will give the u.s. greater control over how and where drones are used. less than two years ago, president obama said the u.s. would reduce its use of drones amid criticism incident civilian was killed and americans may be targeted without due process. >> let's go to capitol hill and talk to senior associate for the center for strategic and international studies and former navy helicopter pilot, with more than 20 years of operational intelligence experience rick ozzie nelson. rick thank you so much for being with us. any concerns about the new drone policy? >> yeah i don't think so. thanks for having me on the show. this technology will proliferate one way or the otherened a the average citizen can go and buy a drone of some sort these days i

think what's important is making sure that the best technology gets into the hands of our closest allies. >> how do we make sure they stay in the habds of the closest allies and not our worst enemies? >> we won't be able to do that. the end of the day, we'll lose control, like we lose control over weapons we give to some of these countries and that's the cost of doing business. again, these countries were get these technologies our adversaries will get these technologies, the proliferation is under way. we need to stay ahead of this and make sure. >> rick does this give us at the end of the day, plausible -- why we want to do this. so it's not just the us of a bombing in pakistan in all these other countries where we haven't even declared war? >> i don't think it's plausible. what you're seeing is the changing face of warfare. in the future we'll see more use of what's called aton miss

weapons, standoff weapons that will proliferate and more countries will use them and we want to ensure our closest allies have this technology and there will be situations -- >> who are these closest allies? we've read it haven't seen specifics. who are some of the closest allies? talking about jordan? egypt, the uae? who would it be. >> obviously depends on the region and circumstances, but if talking about the middle east our closest allies there are the uae. egypt probably right now is a little bit of a reach, because they're still trying to find their footing, since the political situation unfolded there. obviously we have many allies in the europe region. it's going to be a case-by-case basis. >> on the operation's aspect of the drones who is going to be responsible for supplying the intelligence to the drone operators in terms of taking the shot? >> that's a great question. you know at the end of day that's going to be probably a shared effort. the drones or any autonomous

weapon system has a limited value without critical and key intelligence to locate the individuals you're trying to surveil or the individuals you're trying to engage. so, again, some nations have very very good intelligence structures, like jordan does for example. other nations may need the help and assistants of outside nations such as the u.s. and again that will be handled on a case-by-case basis on what's most consistent with our objectives in the particular region. >> patti? >> what's going to be the operation's process whereby they seek approval do they every time they use a drone, cleared with the u.s. military? you can imagine a scenario were give the drones to somebody who's an ally have a gripe with somebody and start something using an american drone we might not like? >> well that absolutely can be the case and that's the case with any weapon. if we give mun m-16s that can be

the case. evaluate who we're giving the weapons to and that's one of the considerations. what is the likelihood used it externally but when we give a wep ton a foreign country, ultimately those who use the weapon reside with that country and laws in place there. >> rick otherwise nelson thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. >> thank you. ukraine's military is completing what that country president called a withdrawal from an eastern town pro rebel separatist separatists sought control of a railway. rebels refused to pull back guns claims the cease-fire doesn't apply in this town. the railroad hub that sits between two major separatist cities has come under siege from pro-russian separatists in recent weeks amid the escalation on fighting tuesday a number of

ukrainian soldiers reportedly were ambush and taken prisoner. russian president vladimir putin has come out urging ukrainian forces to surrender to rebels. quite a cease-fire. >> i have accused europe for some time on being a vacation from history. of course, what's happened with isis over the past several months have shaken them out of what i would call a slumber. at least on the terror front. but as far as putin goes there's still, there's not an appetite is there to confront vladimir putin? >> one of the settlement over the cease-fire it would put the idea of arms the ukrainianeian government on the back burner. it's clearly not happening. >> why america, much further e away from russia and ukraine, not even on the same continent seems more concerned and obsessed about this than britain, germany, france? >> i'm not sure that america is more concerned and obsessed about this. i think the question is in what

to do about it. and there are very different opinions on either side of the atlantic wloon to do about t. what's the cameron aproenks the british approach? >> the brits are in line with the europeans on this. one of the rare times you've united the brits, germans and french in opposing the idea of arming ukrainian forces and the argument goes that if you -- it's a little like the issue of arming syrian rebels or arming allies in the middle east. you have to be thinking three or four steps ahead. if we arm the ukrainians and putin escalates we have to be prepared to escalate. we can't just sfoptop there, and how far does that go? how many steps down the road? how much further jer? you know president putin cares a lot about losing recrane than the west cares about keeping it. he'll go as far as he needs to do use of what weapons he needs to use. are we prepared to match that? if we're not we shouldn't start. >> shouldn't start it.

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boxer on. >> more like the polar plunge. let look at the morning papers. that, i would not try at home. >> here. start with this right here. >> i saw you on "way too early" saying it was creamy. it's not creepy. he's so nice and probably saying something very sweet. >> very nice and she looks just as comfortable as angela merkel when george w. bush decided to come behind her and start feeling her shoulders out. >> i'm telling you, she's fine. she's fine. go to other headlines this morning. >> i love this. >> "pittsburgh post-gazette" about 800 applicant to carnegie mellons computer science e-mailed acceptance letter. yeah, you got in. great school. >> got to feel really good about that. i hope you ran and told your mom and dad and called me losers my whole life and look! this proves i'm a winner! >> i got in. >> mom -- >> actually then got e-mails later revoking the acceptance. the e-mail said in part you're -- >> take it back dad. >> you're one of the select few,

less than 9% of more than 1,200 applicants that we're inviting convinced this is the right place for you. seven hours later corrections went out. >> oh dear lord. >> notifying applicants of the revokation of their admissions office. that's awful! carnegie mellon apologized for the error. unbelievable. you can't do that. >> you can't. >> maybe they ought to use snail mail. >> nots allowed. the "l.a. times," renewed two more seasons. hbo puts to end rumors oliver might replace jon stewart of "the daily show "and a possible candidate, via quister, i'm not hosting extremely underqualified for the job. >> 4u6789huh? >> speaking of underqualified asking for forgiveness, a-rod. >> issued a five paragraph

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figure out whether or not their european partners will give leniency on bailout terms. markets are watching. not like they used to. they don't owe as much to the private sector mostly taxpayers. get hurt doesn't necessarily hurt the taxpayers. a watershed to see what they do about greece and whether the euro holds together. and more than 24 hours before president obama's order was set to take effect ruling the president overstepped his authority. nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing joins us live from the white house. chris, any reaction there? >> reporter: obviously a setback but the president yesterday was defiant. the justice department lawyers are working really hard to put together their appeal. look, today was the day that folks had been waiting for who are eligible for this program. something between 4.3 million and 5 million people depending on the numbers you look at were

going to go put in applications, at least the first round. now all of those plans thrown in limbo. andrea is devastated worried her dream of working for the fbi may not come true. >> we were so ready for this and today it crashed it. you know? >> reporter: in texas, alfredo's plan at at stake at notre dame. >> all the possibilities of the future vanished. >> reporter: what president obama signed in november gave hope to them and other immigrants they could live and work here legally but a 123-page decision by district court judge andrew hanen temporarily blocks the changes. >> for people potentially affected by the new programs this means they're lives are on hold. >> reporter: it would have meant protection from deportation as well as the ability to obtain social security numbers work permits and the ability to travel. once these services are provided, the judge wrote, there will be no effective way of putting the toothpaste back in the tube should the plaintiffs ultimately prevail.

those plaintiffs 26 states led by texas. >> in texas, we will not sit idly by while the president ignores the law. >> reporter: plans to start taking applications from undocumented immigrants have been suspended while lawyers appeal the ruling. >> i disagree with it. i think the law is on our side and history son our side. >> reporter: across the country, activists on both sides organized rallies and press conferences with emotions running high. millions of others who hope to be citizens one day wait i. may end up working as apaint whir i can do so much more. >> reporter: immigration activists are confident. they're worried all of this chaos will make people who are getting ready to apply not do it because, mika obviously the concern, turn over this information to the government and if things don't work out it could be used against you for

deportation. they've got another problem on they're hands trying to convince people to stay the course. >> and the headlines today of more barbaric acts on the part of isis. behind you, day two inside the white house, the summit on violent extremism. what's the goal today? how's the reaction been so far? >> reporter: yeah. i think if you saw the president's op-ed in the "l.a. times" he lays it out that you can't just win this and i know you talked to marie harf about this as well. you can't just win this war against violent extreme in the air or even on the ground. they're doing a bottom-up approach and focusing on today and the president talks about in his op-ed is programs that are going to be in places like minneapolis and boston and los angeles, community leaders who are here today, many religious leaders as well looking at things ranging from after-school programs and early childhood education. in other words trying to intervene before there are people who are turned who become foreign fighters. but obviously, there are

problems within the community as well, because they're concerned not only does it target muslims but also that it, there are people in their community who are worried much like in the immigration community that in fact what this will be used is for intelligence gathers, mika. a lot on the plate. >> i have katty kaye on the set. >> and related to the conference taking place and terrorist issue, state department security funding running out february 27th. what's the mood in the white house? do they think we could be in a situation yes yet again a government shutdown over this and thinking if there is one, looking at polls, it's the republican getting the blame for it? >> reporter: the second part is absolutely true but also a sense they take mitch mcconnell at his word and don't think there is any benefit to be gained by the republicans for doing this. having said that i think there's a real difference of opinion about what yesterday means in terms of the court ruling and the dhs funding. will it provide the republicans some cover so that they can move

forward with that? or will it just sort of as some more conservative ones have done strengthen their resolve to make sure to see this through? that's yet to be seen but i don't think there is certainly a sense of panic in any sense here. there is a belief that the republicans have a lot to lose here if there's a government shutdown or even if dhs isn't funded given what's going on in the world. >> chris jansing, thank you very much. still ahead, pope francis is marking the start of lent with a new push to help the poor. this time with a state-of-the-art facility that the homeless are lining up to experience. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." daughter: do you and mom still have money with that broker? dad: yeah, 20 something years now. thinking about what you want to do with your money? daughter: looking at options. what do you guys pay in fees?

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today is ash wednesday. the official start to lent. if you are catholic what would you give up? >> i'd try chocolate. i'd try. >> i like mine. mincing words. not going to do it. >> i don't think that's so hard for you to give up mika. >> i love the concept of lent. i really do. >> nbc news correspondent janet shamlian at the vatican with more on pope francis' global effect. >> reporter: st. peter's square filled with visitors from across the globe gathered to begin the season of lent with the pontiff himself. ♪ and in time for ash wednesday, a new outreach from pope francis. the opening of a state-of-the-art facility near the vatican offering a free haircut, shave and shower for rome's homeless. the poor have been a centerpiece of this papacy. famous for washing and kissing the feet of both men and women. a papal first. >> well i think he's seen a lot of poverty, first of all, in his

life and realizes it's a question of human dignity. >> reporter: this man took advantage of the new offer. >> translator: let me take a shower. gave me everything. fresh clothes and underwear. first a shower then the shave. >> reporter: the effect -- remarkable. and the pope hopes life-changing. last week, he made an unexpected visit to a shantytown on the outskirts of rome prompting a flurry of photos, some prayer and loud applause. [ cheers and applause ] the pope will make his first visit to the u.s. in september to attend the world meeting of families. the event billed as the world's largest catholic gathering of families. >> that was nbc news correspondent janet shamlian reporting, and you know, i -- i have long been sort of concerned about the catholic church ever since the scandals erupted, how they regain sort of their impact

especially on young people. this pope -- it seems like he's just come out of nowhere in the most amazing way, and he's having such an impact around the world and also within the vatican. >> right. isn't that one of the most interesting things about him? he has taken on the curia in ways previous popes just didn't seem to manage to do. and he has really shaken up the structures of the vatican whether on the financing side, the hierarchy side and said we have to have accountability here and that is the way we're going to keep the church alive. and i love the other thing about this pope. he's putting poverty first. he really is a pope for the poor. everything he's done has -- the way he lives has poverty at its center. >> exactly. >> and that's impressive. >> also the way he lives is also holding other people within the vatican accountable as well. it is -- i think -- a turning point for the catholic church. exactly through him. up next he's a celebrity chef, a reality tv show host

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it's 49 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." here with us now celebrity chef newly minted first-ever msnbc food correspondent tom colicchio. actually, tom, this is a great moment, because i -- it is such an issue that actually affects the health of our country. >> sure. >> and our diets, i think, are at a real turning point in terms of how americans eat, and being a food correspondent is no light matter here. >> no no. obviously, food on tv started with the standard shows and a whole network devoted to food and reality shows that i'm a part of but it's time for a different kind of discussion around food. something that affects us all. we eat three time as day if we can all afford it. but there are questions to ask. about food safety nutrition. questions about sugar, whether or not we want to limit advertising to children. look at the opening of cuba. that's a food story there. right now 100% of their

agriculture is or sganicganic and we can see it play out and if it has detrimental effects or not. >> and seen over the past few years new revelations what's in the mainstream food we eat and how actually devastating it is? >> and addictive. >> for our health. >> the fast-food nation first brought up addictive quality of some of the food presented to us that sometimes seems like a cheap, easy option but is not necessarily the best. in fact, is definitely not the best option for your health. >> no, it's not. >> or wallets. >> and issue with 47 million americans that can't feed themselves. struggle to feed themselves, and asking for the cheapest food possible. >> kind of a busy guy, though. late last night, tom was working on the menus for this four restaurants in new york. one in los angeles. two in las vegas. new one opening in miami, plus making the titles and closing the deal on your new shows on msnbc on shift, came up with food for thought. >> who thought of that? phil or you?

>> my wife thought of that one. >> i like it. a smart woman. >> my wife's a writer filmmaker, and actually brought me to the world of food politics. >> i like it. >> she's the wordsmith. >> calls into question all the issues peritarianing to food and -- stirring the pot? >> i love this idea. >> is that different? gossip? >> no no. an interview show. interviewing anyone but it's really about breaking bread and having a meal and an in-depth discussion. typically, if you're any other table can you find common ground. >> right. >> too often today we're so polarized in talking through each other as opposed to getting around the table and having a discussion. >> the great way to get people to talk way common subject. you get the most out of people if you can distract them with music in your idea food. >> a great lubricant. gets the conversation flowing. >> who came up with "stirring the pot," phil or you? >> not phil. my wife. phil approved it all. this is -- it all started here on "morning joe." the first appearance on the msnbc show here on "morning joe"

and made appearances over the years. i pitch add few moss back actually to fill that friday night spot that's opened and he said well no. we have other ideas things we're doing. this is really going to about great show for millennials because they tear so much about food. >> want to know everything. >> you have kids in college. they want to know everything now. i think this is a way to bring millennials into the conversation. >> i've seen -- i have a 16 and 19-year-old and have seen them actively reading labels and obviously there are lots of reasons why. especially we worry about our young girls and how they eat. they're looking at everything they eat and need to fully understand how important do you think food policy is and in terms of what you're going to be doing on your show what are you going to try to promote to push change in some of the -- parts of our system that are not doing a good job? >> look at labeling a second. transparency in the food system. right now there's a big debate whether or not label gmos. >> uh-huh. >> now there's nothing

inherently -- >> define gmos. >> genetically modified. not proven the fact yet, ingredients. but an environmental effect to growing food in that manner and you have to look at whether or not the science is just used to prop up a business model. so whether or not we should actually label. the argument that well there may be less breakthroughs because of this. look at brazil. 90% adaptation of gmo soy yet they have labeling. nos not necessarily an argument that holds water. let's get around the table and talk about this. the bio industry is not doing a service. labels something, yet they're not. let's sit around the table and discuss this. >> and "top chef." how are you going to do all this? >> i have great people around he. >> do you sleep? >> no. i don't. >> you do eat? >> i do find time to eat and joe

will understand this. cut into my guitar playing time. >> oh god. the two of you. why don't come on and perform together? okay? >> one day we will. >> tom you have the time. just as much as tom has. tom colicchio, welcome to the family. come on the show anytime when you have an issue and want to promote a shift show. i love t. thank you. up next what if anything did we learn today? anything? we'll find out. your traveling forecast. snow in the country and snow showers along the northeast later today. other than that just the cold that will be around. 28 degrees in boston all the way to 19 in detroit and chicago

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well thank you. >> and, yeah so we're looking right now -- >> ah. awkward moment. i love it. so sweet. >> "50 shades of biden" right here. >> stop it, joe. >> the husband says no. you don't. i'm going to put my hand on her now. mika what did you learn today? >> i learned that i think tom colicchio is as busy as you and you're going to add more to your schedule. i say book the georgetown pub. >> play live. live music. >> let's do it. >> what did you learn today? >> we're going to play live in the georgetown pub. that's what i learned. no. i had a late morning, didn't see too much news. it's a great day here and i'm just happy to be a part of the family. >> congratulations. it's great. great to you part of the family. what have you learned? >> that general had snyden is not

optimistic about the future. >> and then goes it's just going to get worse. thank you, general. all right. well, if it's way to early, it's "morning joe." mika what's next? >> time for "the rundown" right here on msnbc. have a great day, everybody. >> see you, guys. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart and first on "the rundown," a critical moment for president obama and an opportunity to change direction in the fight against terrorists. specifically isis. now at the white house representatives from 60 nations are meeting strategizing on how to defeat an increasingly barbaric group. bombing them has had a limited effect. aiding their enemies isn't doing much either and every time the u.s. seems to knock them back in one place, isis seems to gain ground somewhere else. at 4:15 eastern, the president himself will argue that we must expand the fight beyond t