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a live brief -- to hold a live briefing on an attack by isis on tuesday. u.s. backed kurdish forces known as the peshmerga pushed back the assault on irbil. this follows several days of egyptian aircraft pounding suspected targets in libya, in retaliation for a video released this weekend showing the beheading of 21 individuals the terrorist groups said were egyptian christians. and two unconfirmed allegations by iraqi officials. two local iraqi officials say isis has burned alive several dozen iraqi soldiers in a town near the air base where u.s. sources trained iraqi forces. and it is said on that online isis is selling human organs. and nbc news has not confirmed the allegations nor has the u.s.
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government verified them. moments ago josh earnest defended this week's white house terrorism summit as one part of a larger strategy to defeat isis. >> the summit that we've convene convened over the course of this week is not the summit to discuss our comprehensive strategy to eradicate extremist who pose harm to the united states. we do have a strategy for that. and one component of that strategy is countering violent extremism. >> we'll have reports from the white house and ayman mohyeldin. and moments from now i'll talked with retired general wesley clark who led forces in kosovo. and we'll start with the kurdish forces and isis in the town of irbil. ayme aymen. >> reporter: this began in early morning hours in iraq time and several dozen isis fighters con
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veshlged on the outskirts of irbil, in the out skirts of the country. most of the attacks involved small arms fire like rocket-propelled grenades but seems to be a well-coordinated ambush attack on this town to get a foot hold on irbil which is an important strategic city and in the heart of cuddish control in northern iraq. but within hours of this assault, coalition pounded the positions and the peshmerga forces on the ground were able to repel the isis fighters. and there has been reported that 30 or so isis fighters were killed and for now it seems that isis has been pushed back away from the kurdish frontlines and away from the territory that is predominantly held by the security forces backed by the u.s. and other coalition partners joy. >> thanks very much may men
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mohyeldin. and statements by the president and john kerry in the next few hours are part of a three-day terrorism summit. and they are finding practical ways to counter the isis influence and blunt the expansion. >> when the violent extremist makes the case that america is at war with islam and muslims, we have to assert that this is not true not just in word but in deed. >> kristen welker joins me live with more on the summit at the white house. and what do we expect to hear from the president in a few hours. >> reporter: joy, we expect the president to make the argument that in order to combat isis and violent extremism, it will need a broad international effort. he will highlight programs underway in minneapolis, los angeles and boston. those programs target vulnerable
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communities, young people who might be inclined to join groups like isis. to give you a broad insight going back to the op ed in l.a. times, we know from the experience that the best way to protect people specially young people from falling into the grip of violent extremists is the support of their family friends and teachers and faith leaders. at this week's summit community ledders -- community leaders from los angeles minneapolis and boston will highlight innovative partnerships in their cities that are helping empower communities. this is a pressing issue that the white house says that more than 3000 westerns have gone to iraq to join the fight with isis
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and that includes about 150 americans. so a pressing problem here. joy. >> well christen let's get a quick follow-up on the next director of the secret service. what do we know about that? >> joseph clancy is the interim director since october. that is when the former director julia stevenson steps down amid controversy, when the man jumped over the white house fence and made it into the executive mansion. clancy has come on to the job since then. officials tell me he has done a good job and enhanced surveillance and patrols around the white house and the capitol and brought about administrative changes and they believe he's the right person for the job. an independent panel cowled for an -- called for an outsider but some congressmen are saying he
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should have gone outside for the pick. >> kristin welker outside of the white house. thank you very much. and stay tuned with nbc and we'll come with the comments from the white house from the summit live here today at 4:15 p.m. on eastern time. and now a new acceptance of u mass to accept iranian students. after a fire storm eruption over the new policy they cited a 2012 law that excludes iran nationals from studying in the the u.s. if they plan on working in nuclear or energy fields. one professor described the reaction of the policy with ronan farrow moments ago. >> there was a feeling of universal outrage and surprise. people were taken aback. there was widespread upset. i think the sentiment among my
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colleagues was pretty much universal shock and a sense of just that this is an appalling decision. >> pete williams is following the story. did the university have any leg to stand on by citing this 2012 law in barring iranian students from studying in those particular fields? >> it is not the only cool with this -- school with this kind of policy. we found two or three other universities with similar policy but amherst made theirs public. but they did feel it was overdone. the law does say a visa cannot be given to someone from iran who comes here to study anything that could aid iran in the nuclear or energy program. so nuclear physics, petroleum engineering, all of those things, those students cannot study in a u.s. university. what the state department said about amherst, once we give them a visa they are good to go.
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but the university said they get into the country and the students are admitted and if they travel, i.c.e. won't let them back in. and the university said we will taylor this.-- tailer this. and this student was studying cosmology. >> thank you very much. and jeb bush is laying out his own foreign policy agenda. he just wrapped up his big foreign policy in chicago and he blasts president obama saying the policy is inconsistent and indecisive but he tried to change his views from his fathers, george bush number one and two. i love my father and my bloerj
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bloerj -- and my brother and i love my mother if that is okay. but i'm any own man and my views are shaped my my own -- by my own thinking and my own decisions. >> and joining me jeff kornacki and you just wrote a good article called jeb bush and the ghost of w. and first i want to ask you, steve, to listen to a piece of sound from jeb bush talking about a policy in your article that will haunt him going forward in his campaign iraq. let's take a listen. >> my brother's administration through the surge, which was one of the heroic acts politically that any president has done because there was no support for this and it was hugely successful and it created a stability that when the new president came in he could have built on it to create fragile but more stable situations that would have not allowed for the void to be filled.
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>> so steve, this represents i think one of the toughest thicks that -- things that jeb bush will have to do is to disentangle himself from the republicans with this and you say he needs the shock and awe but it will be hard for him, there are two separate issues. we talk about iraq and foreign policy and we talk about george w. bush and how unpopular he became because of that. if he get to the general election that is the main thing people will talk about. is this another bush that will get us into iraq. but the more immediate problem is how to get to the general election and the problem there is he's dealing with the republican party today that is different from the republican party that nominated his brother and the reason it is different is because of his brother. his brother's presidency went off the rails and ended with a low approval rating and ended
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with barack obama getting approved at such a landslide and conservatives concluded that george w. bush we sold our souls to go with george w. bush and he sold out conservatism and gave it a bad name and people turned on the republican party and moved to barack obama. and it is bad against barack obama on one part and a battle to keep them from nominating a candidate like bush again. >> and you write that george w. bush when he ran -- and it is interesting, you say he was a candidate of the gop base and that status was success -- impressive to his electoral base. but he was trying to be more compassionate to respond to the clinton moment and to the far right and he was cultivating both. >> and the far right was willing to go along with it. back then the republican party thought that bill clinton had beaten them. he cleaned their clocks in the 90s and they said they cleaned
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their clocks and that is why compassion at conservatism was exciting to them. and he beat them in 2008 and 2012 but they say we beat them in 2010 and 2014. >> and they think it is voter fraud. can't be real when barack obama wins. and check out steve every weekend on msnbc. thank you for being here. and that is weekend mornings 8:00 a.m. eastern times. get up with up with steve. we have a quick reid alort for you. and it is secretary of state kate brown became governor brown and sworn in the spot and questioning surrounding her story. brown [ technical difficulties ]
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his fiancee used his role for her business. if you think going to mars is cookie crazy, some takes a step for human kind. and is president's obama's strategy to defeat and degrade isis working? we'll ask retired four star general wesley clark when we come back.
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al qaeda is your grandfather's terrorist organization. isis is terrorism 2.0, or 3.0. they have left al qaeda in dust.
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>> that was former bush era nsa director michael hayden this morning spaking on the -- speaking on the threat posed by isis. two hours from now the president is expected to speak at the white house. and this is a larger past of an -- part of an overall strategy to empower our prints against isis. wesley clark is a retired four star general and the nato commander who headed up allied force and author of the book don't wait for the new war. and general clark, thank you for being here. it is always a pleasure to talk with you. >> thank you. glad to be with us. >> and let's talk about what we are trying to do. it is interesting with the parallels of what you had to do in corralling the nato forces to fight against the kosovo war. and we are trying to do a
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version of that in the middle east to get the natural allies in the west and the allies to work together without putting a ubiquitous american footprint on it. how is that working? >> we are working forward. there is no simple formula. there are religious and ideological and gio strategic dimensions and military dimensions. you can't win it with air pow ear loan. everyone understands that. you have to have the coalition forces on the ground. but the coalition forces that are fighting are not necessarily our friends. so in iraq that is totally aligned with iran and worked with bashar al assad, they are not our friends and jordan would not be safe if that power alignment succeeded. so what you have is you have to
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defeat isis but you have to also be sensitive to the gio strategic balance. you have to come to terms with the russian involvement with al assad and what that means. and turkey would like a larger role and be more influential. they will not permit iran to align with iraq and syria and box them out and something turkey would strike against covertly and strike financially and politically to prevent. and there are conflicting forces in the region. we want to empower our allies and cut off the flow of recruits from western europe and the united states and refrikt the funds -- restrict the funds going into isis and stop the ground forces. >> and this is something to ask the former commander to nato and
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to cause us to have major involvement in kosovo but is that training the world to be too reliant on the u.s. and there are strategic issues at play. is the rest of the world to reliant on us to do the heavy lifting militarily? >> i think it has worked out that, unfortunately, and it shouldn't have happened. we have had a strong alliance with saurld put in place by president roosevelt. it said written in not exactly this way, that we would provide protection for saudi arabia for the kingdom and they would assure we always had access to their oil. and so that has been a guiding principle of u.s. policy. that is why we went to the war in 1990 '91 against saddam
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hussein because he threatened saudi arabia oil. and even though saudi arabia has built its armed forces isis professes to believe the exact same kind of islam taught in saudi arabia. now saudi arabia has resorted to this extraordinary torturing and horrible things that isis has done but it is a fundamentalist islam and it is difficult for saudi arabia, when they look at isis, it is like a knife coming at them. and some of our allies helped organize and provide the initial funding for isis because they wanted to make use of the religious zel outs to -- zel you thes to fight the shia and iran and it was easier to go after them ran than commit their own armed forces to commit to that.
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and it is not that they are reliant on the united states and the united states position is that we are powerful and not in the region. and so for that reason we have been called on to be useful. >> and don't forget al baghdadi was sitting in a u.s. prison camp during the iraq war. and i want to play you a sound bite from air holder because there is another question bubbling up on the right on whether or not the president needs to start using terminology like radical islam in this fight. >> radical islam, islamic streamism, i'm not sure an awful lot is gained by that. i don't worry a lot about what the appropriate terminology ought to be and i think people need to think about that and think about are we having this conversation about words as opposed to what our actions ought to be. >> your thoughts, general clark,
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on whether we today to get certain terminology right in this fight? >> i think you have to be careful how you characterize the ebb em -- enemy. they would like to be characterized as islamic. there is nothing in islam that characterizes their actions. they like that because they would like to work into the muslim community. we need the muslim community to reject isis and any connection between isis and islam. that is the key to success and the most important thing. if we can discredit this isis group and cut them off with any connection to islam, they'll fade away and die. it is more powerful than the bombing and ground troops. so when we put it altogether and
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say these are radical islamists, we are giving them power over the islamic extremists and that is what they want us to do. it is not about political correctness or about calling a spade a spade, it is about depriving isis the source of recruits and support. >> all right, indeed. thank you, general wesley clark. appreciate you being here. and we'll be right back. >> thank you. >> thanks. you total your brand new car. nobody's hurt,but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do, drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.
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media. but the best story is the big win of patty hurst. she became a pop culture icon during the 70s after committing armed robbery as the brain washed hostage of the liberation army but this year one of her shih tzus won the toy dog. and you are tweeting people change. and some of you are throwing 50 shades of shame at the movie. and you are still poking fun at the crazy fans who flooded the opening weekend. this 911 call of theaters rushing teens to the theater is going viral. >> there are kids rushing and we started to fill out all of the pg movies. >> and critics are calling the bdsm calling it the luxury branding of domestic abuse.
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and they have boring sex scenes. >> my mom just left me a message telling me the action in 50 shades was no big whoop. i could not delete that fast enough. and krispy kreme is taking you from shame to outrage. they are coming under fire for using the initial kkk during black history month. this facebook ad promoted a kids event in the united kingdom called kkk wednesdays. it went viral for all of the wrong reasons. here kkk stands for krispy kreme club but after you decried this mishap online they removed the ad and apologized profusely. but still you are tweeting this has been a rough black history month. so it is a good thing we are celebrating black history in our own way. like the #historic poc where you are tweeting photos of every day people of color throughout
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welcome back to "the reid report." and here are stories we're watching at this hour. two people have minor injuries after an explosion at a southern california refiner at the exxon exxon-mobil refinery in torrance. it triggered a smokestack flare. it is not clear what caused the explosion. meanwhile smoke is still rising from the scene of a train derailment in west virginia that sparked a massive explosion and stroked fears of water contamination. the 109 car train was carrying millions of pounds of crude oil from north dakota when it went off the rails causing a massive fire ball you can see here? and a candlelight vigil held tonight in prescott arizona the home of kayla mueller. her death was confirmed less than two weeks ago. the 26-year-old was an
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international aid worker captured in syria in august of 2013. and the vatican has something -- done something it has never done before. it has given a group of u.s. gay and lesbian catholics seats at the weekly general audiences. the pill grams from new ways ministry weren't invited as an lbgt group but still pleased to attend. and going to the bitter frigid icy cold and we are running out of adjectives and superlatives to report the weather patterns but pictures speak for themselves. niagara falls, frozen in place on the border. lady liberty surrounded in ice. the water front completely transformed. and fire and ice as crews battle in brooklyn the water froze instantly. boston has spent an estimated $35 million on snow removal which is twice the budget and the most the city has spent on
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snow in a single year. snow mountain. and there is so much snow in boston that snow diving wearing only underwear has become a think. the mayor told the newspaper to tell people to stop doing this. you can hurt yourself. and it is the climate extremes screaming for attention. kate shepherd a hunting postton post editor joins me now. and we like to make fun of people jumping into the snow. but this is serious. here is what bill nye the science guy said here on monday when he was talking about weather and climate. >> i would say to the conservatives, we need you. he can't have everybody be a progressive liberal, bleeding heart and so on and on.
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with you need people on both sides. but if the conservative side is going to deny what 90% of the scientists are saying, we are not going to reach a consensus or make progress. kate what do you make of the fact that even though the extreme weather events we are saying, there is a difference between climate and weather and when you see so many cumulative events, what do you make of the fact that there is still, at least on the right, no willingness to budge on denying the climate change. >> for a lot of ways this is more than just the science. it is about drawing the line and saying this is my people and my people deny climate change is a thing that is happening. it is become a social issue more than it is just about the science. but i think even among the general public there is confusion about the science as well and that is because it is a little bit counter intuitive to say global warming.
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it would be global weirding or global construction and not just a warming effect. >> and this is a pro-acting win by the fossil fuels industry quite frankly, to sort of drive this narrative that no don't worry, just keep using more gasoline. >> we've seen decades-long campaign to undermine the science or deny it outright and this is a logical product of that. i think though that you are seeing an increases feeling in the public that something really weird is going on out there. so while fossil fuel interest and others that would deny climate change have been winning for years, that is starting to turn and i think we are seeing people starting to understand that something weird is happening out there. >> the city of boston has a snow mountain and the new york climate board here is going to become akin to a florida city. flood zones will double and
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let's go to iraq. there were mistakes made in iraq for sure. using the intelligence capability that everybody embraced about weapons of mass destruction was not accurate. and after the successful taking out of saddam hussein was a mistake because iraqis wanted security more than anything else. >> that was jeb bush in chicago giving surprising remarks about the iraq war. but the potential 2016 presidential candidate spoke at
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the chicago council on global affairs and we'll see how he'll differentiate himself from his former father and brother. he also used it to hit president obama. and joining me now jonathan kay part and angela rye and ben dommin itch. and i'm going right to you, ben. it does seem that exercising the demons of both former president bushes is what jeb has to do to get right with the base of the republican party. can he do that by admitting there were mistakes in iraq. >> one of the problems that jeb is facing in the field for 2016 is someone who has to run on his record but on the records of those who share his name and this is the first real significant step he is taking to differentiate himself from his brother and father.
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there is speculation of his views being close to his father as to how he views the world. his foreign policy is if he makes it to the general. getting through the nomination process, he will have to stress more the domestic issues where he has more of a disagreement than the conservative base and the republican party. the foreign policy will be kicked further out because of the frustrations that a lot of americans have with what she see happening in the middle east with the isis and the president's agenda and that will mitigate for him when this comes to navigating the primary. >> and who is the gop base more angry at bush one or two? >> i think more with bush two with his adoption policy and that is eight years where they were largely squandered when it came to fiscal constraint and that gave rise to the tea party and the revolution of the right that you saw in the recent years
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years. >> and this is where he went to the right and this is not withdrawing from the world. >> america does not have the luxury of withdrawing from the world our spirit and values demand we remain engaged in often distant places. we have to reason to apologize for our leadership or our interest in global security peace and freedom. >> that last piece, jonathan does he sound like a neo con and raising the cackles of those who don't want to go back there again? >> yes. he packed a lot in there. we don't have a luxury to withdraw from the world and not apologize for who we are. president's never apologize for americans being what it is. the united states has not withdrawn from the world.
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i guess it means the president hasn't gone headlong back into syria, iraq or afghanistan. so in that regard yes, he does stand the risk of raising the hackles of the american people who do not want to go for a third time into another war in the middle east. >> and you look at that diagram and you see how many of his advisors 19 out of 21 of the advisers are either from george bush one or two. and i want to go to the pragmatic question of how jeb bush will do. and they talk about the shock and awe strategy and steve kornacki was talking about it and flood him with donors and make himself seem inevitable can that work in your view as a strategic matter? >> well it can work. we know that elections nowadays are money -- it is all a money game and i think that he knew this very early on which is why
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he announced his exploratory committee very early on. i think the challenge is joy, when you look at the cnn poll today and he represents out of the all of the republican candidates more of the same out of anyone else 64% said he represents the old rather than the new, i think that is something making his being formidable very challenging. and you have an issue and you just brought up this diagram and there have been stories on this and your advisors are the same people and you say you are your own man that doesn't work for you. the advisors are telling you the same thing as before and even though he didn't say mistakes were made but he definitely didn't blame w. today. >> well if change is one of the most powerful forces in politics and a powerful narrative. but if jeb bush gets the nomination and runs against clinton, will it cancel itself out in terms of change.
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>> i don't think it does. they talk about hillary clinton advisors, she is not doing what she did in 2008. she is bringing in the great folks from obama campaign and not doing what she did for before and he for no other reason referring back to the diagram, is doing the same thing. >> and so ben dommen itch who is better. rand paul or a chris christie who is sort of newer on the market? >> i think the real threat to jeb bush is really going to be most coming from someone who has executive experience who can unite various strands of the party like walker but rand paul is his biggest foe when it comes to foreign side of things. they are both frank and honest speakers about their views an the clash between them when this comes to the past and the future of the republican party is fascinating to watch in the next cycle. >> and a quick answer from cape
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hart announcing doing well and does rand paul represent a real threat to jeb or a novelty candidate? >> right now he is a real threat but i agree with ben, the real threat is scott walker that is a governor who has defended his seat against the people in wisconsin two times. >> two for wisconsin and thank you guys all for being here. really appreciate it. and when we come back, we are going to mars y'all. we're going to mars. at kraft we start with eggs oil, and our own crafted vinegar. all expertly blended to make our mayo. so you can take whatever you're making from good to amazing. get inspired at kraftrecipes.com
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i'm treating it as it is a full thing. i threw my hat in the ring as if it was a real endeavor. >> this is george hatcher an engineer at the nasa space center that is confident that a
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plan to send humans to mars is the real deal. this is a dutch-based nonprofit has been promising a permanent human colony on the planet and when they sent out an all call for a one-way trip to the planet where the temperatures can drop to negative 199 degrees, there were a pool of candidates whittled down to 100, crazies or an army of brave visionaries. my next guest would say the latter. daniel carrie could rocket to mars. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> why would you accept this idea of a one-way trip to mars which is certain death. why would you accept that? >> every one faces certain
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death. nobody has beaten that yet. but the challenge that mars one presented and the opportunity that they presented was a way to kind of slice the gordian knot of how do we put people on mars and eliminating the trip because that is what has kept nasa from moving forward in the last 30 years. they insist we need to bring people back. so they said what if we went with the simple engineering task of keeping alive there permanently and when do you that, you completely change the nearing and the economics of it and so when they put that out there, something from my childhood said that is what we should be doing and that is what i've always wanted to do. and so i put my application in. >> and you are right. we are all in a sense the -- walking toward gam ora. but in this case there is an
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m.i.t. study that said it could occur in 68 days. so starvation dehydration, hype oxia that that could happen within a couple of months what would you hope to accomplish in a couple of months a short time that would somehow advance human knowledge? >> if i had no confidence we would not last longer than that i would not go. but more to the point that m.i.t. study was a synthesis of several different studies put together and in order to do that they made certain assumptions about the technologies that would be available and so for instance they said we are only going to assume technology tested on the space station and so for example the 68 day
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technology is not something used on the space station but there is technology used for decades in submarines to use that. >> and in a short time what is the most important thing you would like to learn and teach mankind through a trip like this? >> the most important thing i would like people to learn is it is possible for us to move off of the planet eventually. it is not going to be something we will do soon. not something we will do in large numbers at any time. but it is something we need to learn to do. and so as a first step i think it is a very positive attempt. >> good for you, daniel carrie. i think the explanation is part of the human gene so thank you very much. and we look forward to seeing what happens. thank you, sir. and that does wrap things up for "the reid report." we'll join you back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern. "the cycle" is up next.
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