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oesn't involve the military. we've evolved to a new phase in the global terrorist threat. we therefore must evolve to a new phase in our counter-terrorism efforts. >> i'm ari melber. and how to stop home grown terrorists. it is a nonmilitary attack on groups recruiting young americans. here at home radicals have executed attacks in boston at ft. hood and in kansas. at this hour john kerry speaking at the white house summit and then the president delivers the key note address next hour and he said this morning that we must stop the enablers and those
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that insight others to do so to prevent people around the world to be radicalized is ultimately a battle for hearts and minds. and the president said that starts in our communities. efforts are under way in los angeles, new york and minneapolis are under way already. kristen welker at the white house. walk us through what the administration is hoping the pilot programs will do. >> reporter: well the goal here ari, is to reach vulnerable communities, young people who might be inclined to join a terrorist group like isis. isis has been effective at recruiting young people through online social media so the pilot programs are aimed at counter that. a full-court press, from after-school programs, pre-k and job fairs and they are asking a
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number of different sectors in every community to help out. so let's look at how many different corners of each community the obama administration is asking to help in the effort. it includes law enforcement, the business community, teachers families churches mosques and synagogues. this is what dhs sect jeh johnson had to say about this earlier today. >> the global terrorist threat is more decentralized and more diffuse and frankly more complex. it has to be more than just countering violent extremism. we have to have a dialogue across a range of issues. frankly it is an exercise in lowering barriers lowering suspicion and building trust. we all have a stake. it is our public safety. it is our homeland security. it is our country. >> reporter: and i expect president obama in his remarks today to argue in order to combat violent extremism a broad
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point is needed. the officials here estimate that 3000 westerners have gone to places like iraq and syria to join isis and as many as 150 americans. so clearly a big concern. when i asked josh earnest when the tangibles or the takeaways of the summit would be not a clear answer but what the white house said is they hope this will foster dialogue to get the pilot programs across the country. >> and the dhs funding is a question today and some want to hold that back and now the courts are stepping in. how is the white house hoping to step ahead on this. >> yesterday a forward judge in texas essentially blocked the white house immigration action which was aimed at giving millions of illegal immigrants
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relief from deportation. now today, by the way, was the first day that some of those folks were going to be able to apply for relief from deportation. dhs sect jeh johnson said while the court battles play themselves out, that would be suspended. so at this point millions of people in limbo while the court cases are playing out. the obama administration said they will appeal that decision and they trying to decide if they will take emergency action and trying to file an emergency injunction but they say this is likely a fight going to the supreme court. and you talk about the legislative things under way and trying to block the president's immigration action and so the question is will what happened in the courts this week impact republican strategy. i'm told by aids on capitol hill it is not going to impact the strategy and they are going to move forward to try to block the
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president's immigration action and it could lead to dhs closing down. so a big battle brewing over the next self days. >> which is logically weird because they would be defunding something the courts have suspended but there is politics in addition to logic on the issues. kristen welker thank you very much. and now to a friend of the show, tom sander at the center for strategic and international studies. good day to you. looking at what the white house is doing on the radical extremist front, the rand corporation, an army think tank tracks this and we've seen some exodus of some americans going abroad to a range of countries who are radicalized so this problem is not new and only specific to isis but you see there 150 americans roughly estimated to have been recruited by isis given that it is not new, what can the white house do now in your view at a government level to try to make it less likely that americans would want
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to go join this kind of terror? >> well i think the white house is putting forward a plan just to do that. and it has been ongoing and that is to reduce the chances and likelihood that young men and some young women would seek to join isis or any of the other groups the nusra front or al qaeda core and engage in the battles and come back. so you have to hit things at all levels the community level, the socioeconomic level and the cultural level and those guys training in the u.s. and preparing for this you have to go on the harder side and the law enforcement side. so going with the multi dimensional approach we can do it and we can't assume the u.s. will not be hit by some individuals who either come back or despite not going over there, simply see themselves at the vanguard of an extended isis capability and attack within the country without having gone over to fight. >> that is right, tom.
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the president's message is we are doing the best we can to combat al qaeda and the bigger groups and isis but dealing with the small attacks from one or two people not communicating with the larmer group, it is -- larger group, it is difficult to deal with on a consistent basis. how can we stop those sort of attacks? >> i'm afraid it is almost impossible to do it. the smaller the group, and it could just be an individual or two people like we saw if boston, the smaller the signature. with a larger group, you need logistics, safe houses big training areas. these individuals like fizzal his odd, his safe house was an apartment in connecticut. you have to have the person make a statement and give off an indicator they are going to do something, talk to them online and see what they are doing. but that demands having family community leaders and others detect these kind of signatures or signs from an individual.
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it is really really difficult. the -- it is difficult the smaller the group gets. >> and we hear about the president an how he handles this and talks about the subject of extremism and being at war with terrorists and terrorism but the criticism is he never says islamic terrorism or specifies this is muslim. that is a critique? >> to a certain degree. it is important to point out, the hardest core of the individuals, isises and others are clearly using islam as a means to carry their message and the intolerant islam is their vision but the president is right in trying to avoid us against them situation or disposition. if we ever get to that point, we've lost. because you cannot lose this vast majority of the islamic world that is not for isis and does not support what they do. and if you make people feel it
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is us versus them they have no choice but to join those sides or not do anything to help the west in the attempt to bring isis to its knees. >> and tom we have not had a successful large-scale attack here in the united states directly planned overseas an the president hit on this today saying that is not our greatest threat. the greatest threat are the lone wolves an the smaller attacks. is that where our focus should be right now? >> well there is no doubt we should have our focus everywhere and we can't do that. we don't have unlimited resources but we do have a strong intelligence and law enforcement here and again community leaders, parents, clergy, and you name it. but we do have to look at the lone wolves because very small indicators that they are -- the impact is incredibly disproportionate and if two or three lone wolves were to attack across the united states everyone would feel vulnerable
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because they don't know when the next attack is coming. all of the threats need resources but would you puch the lone wolves at the top of the list. >> tom sanderson thanks for your aal -- analysis. >> and jeb takes a punch at the white house. >> we are lost the trust and confidence of our friends. we definitely no longer inspire fear in our enemies. >> ouch. and fresh off his foreign policy speech. we're going to play a game. can you tell the difference between his speech and the president's. >> and ed schultz will tell us what he found in louisiana. and a new guy here today. >> and then an american institution turns 80 years old. the real story behind monopoly. >> and i'll go one-on-one with another american icon in
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2016 presidential contender jeb bush wants america to know he is not his father and not his brother and today he continued to carve out a name for himself with the big foreign policy speech in chicago. >> the united states has an undiminished ability to shape event and build alliances of free people. we can project power and enforce peaceful stability in far off areas of the globe. having a military equal to any threat is not only essential for
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the commander and chief, it is also less likely that we'll need to put our men and women in uniform in harm's way because i believe fundamentally weakness invites war, strengthen encourages peace. >> but it is clear jeb bush is trying to harness some of bush 43's swager and to an overpowering public force and that is what happened with george w. bush in 2000 and how will jeb do it this time around and that is with cash. and when i wrote for nbc today that worked for bush 43 won't work for his brother. and here is a bug plug for my article today. and thank you for indulging me in this. a good plug for my own piece. >> do you need a map or something? >> here is my take on this. you have a speech about the
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foreign policy in the george w. bush iraq foreign policy and a big challenge for jeb bush in the general election when voters have to look at him. but the bigger challenge for him and the bigger challenge getting to the immediate election and that has to do with his brother for a different reason and that is the move for the republican party and what the psychology is today was shaped by what happened in the george w. bush years because you have to go back to 1999 and 2000 to remember how this turned out but they returned to bill clinton. and they said he beat us in the election and shutdown and impeachment and we want our own bill clinton. that was the appeal of compassionate conservatism and how they interpreted the bush years was we sold our souls and we got big government conservatism and it got us an economic collapse and record low
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presidential approval ratings and got us barack obama. and i don't hear republicans out there saying we need our own obama. it is a completely different thing. so jeb is offering the same basic, i'm the electable guy, i'm willing to lose the primary to win the general election. but they are not getting the cover. >> they are moving to the right because of bush. and now they are looking for something different. >> the tea party to me has been two things. it is one, a reaction to obama. we want to fight obama but it is a reaction to bush. we don't need another bush. >> that is interesting. let's bring in patricia murphy, a contributor to the daily beast. and jumping off what we were saying jeb bush does he cling on to his name or run away from it. when you look at a quinnipiac
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poll and some of the polls, 39% in colorado, 35% in iowa and virginia 35%. and here is what he said today. >> i love my father i love my brother and i love my mother too, i hope that is okay. and i love the difficult decisions they had to make and i'm my own man and my decisions are viewed by my own thinking. >> i think he has found the right tone. i admire my dad and brother and their service, but i'm going to be my own man here. >> that is absolutely the message he wanted to get across. when his staff sent out excerpts of the speech last night, this is one of the key passages that jumped out. it was a very long speech but that was the clip they wanted people to hear. i am my own man. and that is what he has to say and must say. but now it is, okay but now
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what? you get into the text and the message of the speech and you start to look for, well then where are the differences with your brother and where will your differences come from. i don't hear a lot that couldn't be said by george bush. but i didn't hear any wide-sweeping changes. and i was struck there was a small speech he was talking about and it has been many years since we went into iraq and he referred to it as the liberation of iraq and it struck me because it sounded like someone very supportive and very close to that specific policy would say, not close to josh bush but somebody who believed we did the right thing there so how far away will he be able to get away from his brother. and domestic policy he is where he needs to be but foreign policy, there isn't a difference
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on where they today to be. >> and he's looking to raise 100 $100 million by the end of the quarter. he is talking it a -- calling it a shock and-- shock and awe campaign is he shocking that he gained so much cash so quickly. >> it was amazing. there was a report in the politico article. he was gaining money while people were unwrapping christmas presents. right until he came out with his statement that he would run for president, nobody knew it was coming. mitt romney was making noise. but jeb bush did the opposite of what others did. many wished their interest and scrambled to get their team together. but he got a team together and put out feelers and put out feelers for money and then
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announced his campaign and his interest. so he has flipped the order that most of the other republicans are following and it seems to be working for him. obviously very well. we see the moderate candidates to scramble who will be my staff and supporters. >> and you said the foreign speech policy said it could stand like w. or obama it was so broad and vague. i want to read some lines and see if you could figure out whether it was jeb or obama. american isolationism is not the an option we don't have a choice to ignore what happens beyond our borders, as the syrian civil war spills across the borders. and number two, america does not have the luxury of withdrawing from the world, our seekd our prosperity and our values demand
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that we remain engaged and involved in often. >> i think the second one was bush, but i'm not sure. >> and i have another pair. unlike other nations, america is not afraid of individual empowerment. we are strengthened by it. we are stren ngthenned by entrepreneurs and small business. and number two, the u.s. has undiminished ability to shape events and build anienss of free people. >> i'm going obama and then bush. >> i just heard his speech so i knew what he said. i cheated. >> she is good up against the clock. >> briefly, aren't they similar. >> it is similar. an it is ironic because that is what jeb bush is criticizing obama for, because it is so vague and so soft.
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traction on both sides of the aisle as they discuss the pragmatic reasons why locking up more of our citizens than any country on earth is counter productive when experts say it created criminality. and some say criminality is business and business is good. because commercial activity comes in and out of every jail. and we must give it a must-read, even though it is a sad read by michael ames. so it blows my mind we can allow people to profit from the incarceration of others. talk about how prison is good business. >> it is good business in more ways than i could possibly fight in this timed segment i think. >> wow! >> there are so many
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opportunities and every inmate represents a opportunity for profit, and not justin mates, but also in the correction system as a whole. so for your drug testing on parolees and inflowing immigrants. so this summer with the immigration crisis on the border stocks of geo and correction corporations spiked on the news that tens of thousands of women and children were coming over the border because they needed to be housed somewhere, they were going to be housed in private prisons. >> and this is still something controversial. and rand paul is a republican and pushing very much for reform. and you spoke to him and he thinks eric holder is sincerely for reform and so is president obama but he said something to you that struck me. he said the epitome of what is wrong with this place is even when we we agree we can't pass anything. >> yeah. so maybe a little bit of the depressing nature of the story came from what i sense from rand
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paul. he seemed genuinely frustrated. he said we have a diverse coalition and he pointed out he has a lot of tea party republicans along with him on the smarter sentencing act and the other bills that rand paul himself has introduced. you have ted cruz mike lee, jeff flake, aberdorn reintroducing the bills and they are still not moving anywhere. >> why? >> well rand paul that was in the last session. he said why harry reid needs to take it to a vote and now that means the senate judiciary committee and now there is more hope but it is still, on the republican side a tea party younger republican versus the establishment of older republican division. >> loved your piece on this and the reporting you are doing. i disagree with some of your
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emphasis you put this in structuralism failed terms and why nothing will happen and a. it is a prediction which you might be wrong and writes the public out of it. and i think the public has a role to place here. and that is what i want to ask you on. and we've seen government make changes an restore voting rights and change the sentences for nonviolent offenses and as you mentioned, democrats and republicans, the chair could move and have a different chairman and get the votes. >> he could. and i don't mean to suggest it is impossible. it looks unlikely. and certainly the states are leading and there are examples of states with both republican and democratic governors, but largely conservative governors leading on this. that said federally it still strikes me as unlikely.
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jim webb has bills up for years. and even if we talk about pop culture, this is not a new conversation that the war on drugs is some sort of failure that we are putting too many people in prison. the movie traffic came out in 2000. and the wire calm out. >> steven, i love the wire. great show. >> you are talking about the last generation or so. a lot of laws and the sentencing guidelines were put on the books when crime was soaring. i remember the presidential campaign and you ask about crime now and it is 1% and we'll reach a point where the old days aren't coming back and that opens up new possibilities? >> politicians read polls. the other poll that maybe some politicians are reading is when they asked americans if they think crime is falling, they don't think crime is falling. so it could be a matter of
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public perception versus statistical reality and what is politically ex paid yent. >> it is different when you have corporations deeply invested in keeping people incarcerated. michael ames thank you very much. and up next five years since the biggest oil spill in history. what ed schultz found when he returned to the gulf coast. that is next. jack's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today, his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before your begin an aspirin regimen.
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to this website updating the recovery and hear is what ed heard from the natives there. >> so all of the shrimpers that were out here where are they now? are they out of business? >> a few of them went out of business, the few ones that didn't want to leave, they got a joil with the -- they got a job with the oil companies. they had to get a job with the people that put them out of business. they went to the west where the shrimp migrated to. >> and ed thank you. i think this is the first time we've been lucky enough to have you on "the cycle," sir. thank you. >> good to be with you. >> what can we expect to hear from you tonight? >> everything has its anniversary but we just had a huge discussion about the keystone pipeline and the risk of putting a pipeline over an
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aquifer and we heard about a disaster and it will be reversible and i decided to go down to the gulf coast and see what happened, what the environment and the industry is like and how are these people faring right now and there is a plethora of stories down there. i went down there and thinking i would come back with a story or two and there is a lot that hit the edit room floor. whatever you say bp will counter it and there is a study for everything. and i wanted to get the true actuality from the people. i've seen careers lost and industry is damaged and no question finances have been ruined. >> when i think about your great show i think about a guy who cares about the people. tell us about who is the person you met down there who affected you the most? >> well dean blanchard is obviously a big business man out of grand isle louisiana.
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he is a native and goes back several generations and it is quite an interesting story about the folks in southern louisiana. there is culture about these folks. they love america and understand the oil industry. a lot of them work for the oil industry. but they just think that bp has not been a very good player. and the fact is he was the largest shrimp distributor in the country. and when he tells us he's only doing 30% of the business he used to do and shows us that the shrimp have lesions on them and not as healthy as they used to be you know things just aren't right. a lot of people have left grand isle. we'll have the mayor on tonight talking about the industry. you have people that have left and real estate prices that have fallen dramatically and you have an industry that has really not come back the way they wanted it to. and they rely heavy on tourism. >> ed, these are the real stories. thank you for bring it to us. we'll see you tonight at 5:00.
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one of the most important elements of the good story is the ending. jerry seinfeld that is why he hates tv shows that won't end f. i wanted a long boring story with no point to it i have my life. [ laughter ] >> toure -- >> there he is. toure is our laugh track. and that is the big complaint about one of america's most beloved board games, monopoly. the hit game for moguls have entertained people kids and parents alick. hustling for big money. and parker brothers have picked it up and it is woven into
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american culture from the game pieces to the notion that capitalism is a battle between getting to rich and going to jail. and the new book the scandal behind the world's favorite board game the author mary pillon. you said in your book. it is a teaching tool to demonstrate it was the superior but yet the mon on lift tour caught on. >> a woman named lizzy mcgee invented a game called the land lords game and received a patent in 1904 long before parker brothers entered the picture and she creates two rule sets and it was a teaching set against
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monopoly like carnegie and rockefeller and the icon is so funny today. >> why does she get no credit. why is it a man down on his luck and we don't think that the woman could do that. >> and she creates this game and it is played at columbia and wharton and one of the groups that play it are the quakers in atlanta city and a version of the game that is sold to parker brothers and by the time the game comes out with parker brothers the story of him creating it is so widespread that lizzy mcgee is written out of it. >> it is interesting because parker brothers was down on its luck at the time the game came along and you write about another game called finance or steve pronounces finance that was way bigger than monopoly so why did parker brothers say we're going with this game.
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>> when you think about the history of this game nobody knew they were sitting on top of a hit in the toy game industry and let alone one sitting here talking about so much later. so they buy the game and buy other folk games that other people had tried to sell. so there was a game called easy money and inflation and one of the deals is with lizzy mcgee. so they buy her patent for land lords and say we're going to put out two more games and she's very excited but there is very little evidence that the other two games were heavily marketed and they didn't get the press that monopoly did. >> gets let -- let's get to this. this is the debate -- i've been having this argument for 20 years and everybody who knows monopoly knows this. free parking. according to the official literally rules of the game it is pointless. but growing up the chance of community chess, if you get fined, you put the money in the middle and if you land in the middle, you get free money.
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it is like the ten point shot in basketball and it is so exciting, is it wrong? >> so when people play monopoly and if you get people from different parts of the country to play the game they have different rules. the actual rules don't have cash in them. people love to put cash in the game. it will make the game go longer. >> that is why i stopped playing it. it is a ten-hour game. >> a long boring story with no end. >> to go to seinfeld. and it takes longer. >> they put a space on the board for no reason. there are great street names. >> it is okay. you don't have to pay rent. >> it wouldn't make sense to have this moment where you hit this lottery and you get a ton of money and then that completely changes your fortune. >> that is life. >> it is a metaphor. >> but it doesn't happen in life all of the time. once this a blue -- once in a
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blue moon. >> you don't have to bankrupt everybody else around you. >> so you are seeing that steve kornacki is wrong -- say yes. >> sure sure. >> no one tells steve kornacki that he is wrong? >> no they do. >> when you play what do you play? >> i'm the thimble, and now it is ousted. >> so what are you now? >> my set has a thimble. >> they got rid of the thimble? >> yes. and the reincarnations of monopoly, the early version before parker brother, there were chicago boards and you get nasty, but it is bringing it back to how the game was played. >> my wife has one arabic from
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all looking forward to spring, which thankfully is now just 30 days away. the fashion world is already setting their sights on fall 2015. fashion week has taken over the streets of manhattan with a flurry of runway shows, the hottest trends and parties. i caught up with diane von furstenburg. she designs with the 2015 woman in mind. >> it is for the woman that commands her world during day and at night she inspires fantasy. >> the theme is seduction, but with sensibility. >> seduction is not just about being sexy. seduction, you can be seduce with your beauty with your
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legs, but you can seduce with your charm and your intelligence. seduction means that people want to get in. people want to get closer to you. >> this week's runway show began with it girl kendall jenner. >> a wrap is a wrap. it just cinches at the waist. it is no button. no zipper. you just wrap it around you and somehow it takes your shape. it's a dress that can be incorporated and done in so many ways that it has proven it timelessness. >> the phillips gallery in london did a 40th anniversary retro retrospective. >> i'm the friend in the closet. you wake up. your eyes are swollen. you don't know where to go. go for your friends.
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anything that is dvf, whether it is a handbag, a pair of shoes, a dress, i really want them to be your friends. >> while women around the world are familiar with her fashion, may be surprised to learn how her story began. her parents were fleeing the nazi nazi occupancy in belgium. >> my mother was in a sense of what they call today -- what do they call them today? tiger mom. >> yep. >> she was really tough on me. a year and a half before i was born she was in a concentration camp. she survived auschwitz and she weighed 49 pounds and so she was
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survivor. god saved me i could give you life. by giving you life you brought my life bag. you are my flag of freedom. i had already won by being born. i was told that i was the flag of freedom, so in a sense it was a big heavy burden but it was a wonderful burden to have. >> it is from her mother that she learned the value of independence, self-reliance, and freedom. >> she taught me that fear is not an option. and i can't imagine a better gift for a mother to give to her daughter. >> at age 23 she married a european prince and moved to america. at 24 her first dresses appeared in fashion magazines. she traveled the world, became new york city royalty, partied at studio 54, and after separating from her first
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husband took lovers in balli and paris. >> yes, i was very lucky. i lived an american dream. i had a very glamorous life. i was surrounded with a lot of love. i have had a lot of drawbacks and a lot of downs, and i think it is important that people know that when everybody looks at you and you are up, you may not be that up. when people look at you and feel sorry for you, you may already be on your way up. >> you'll have some women say reading that book she's so confident. she did what wanted to do in her life. i want to be more that way. you'll have women say that's selfish. i could never just up and leave all the time. do you feel selfish at all for making those decisions? >> you know what? nobody ever ask me that.
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am i selfish? i don't know. i am true to my self but i'm very true to my family and i'm very loyal to them and i'm very loyal to the people around me so i think i'm considerate, but i do think that the most important relationship in life is the one you have with yourself. and if you have that every other relationship is a plus and not a must. >> how did you pick all these? >> they're just over the years -- >> people you love in your life. >> yeah. >> grandkids, your kids. >> my family my kids. >> today diane surrounds herself with love from second husband barry diller her two children and four grandchildren, who have at times worked in her fashion empire. when demand dipped in the 80s, she was forced to sell off many of her licenses to avoid
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bankruptcy. the company does a reported 200 million in annual sales. >> i don't know. make sure that be with my family or my children. my business is my child too. make sure that it reflects what i stand for. i am very very committed for the empowering of women. >> and in at least one way, the fashion icon is just like every woman she dresses. >> do you still feel insecure at times? >> i do feel insecure at times. i feel like a loser sometimes. >> why? >> am i old? am i over the hill? do i know what i'm doing? >> what advice would you give your 20-year-old self? >> my 20--year-old self. >> if you could do anything at that age. >> i would tell myself to trust
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yourself. >> we'll be posting more of our interview on our website msnbc.com. "now" with alex wagner starts right now. jeb bush is not his brother's keeper. he is just keeping a lot of his brother's ideas. it's wednesday, february 18th, and this is "now." >> i'm just a gladiator these days. >> jeb bush giving his very first speech on foreign policy. >> test the waters ahead of a likely run for the white house. >> i love my brother, i love my dad, but i'm my own man. >> i stand on my own two feet. >> convincing voters he would be a different kind of president bush. >> i'm more than just the
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