draft. $8 billion is going to be spent. who can raise that kind of money? i would say the clintons are first out. >> the do youugh is the mother's milk of this process, it will take he stumbling to bring in joe biden, the plan b. "politics nation" starts right now. \s. >> good evening, ed. we're going to see you later on in this show. >> looking forward to it. >> but now it's time for us to get to work. tonight's lead -- birtherism by another name. today one of the ugliest right-wing smears of the obama presidency has crept back into the republican rhetoric. the suggestion that somehow the american president is not fully american. here's what former new york city mayor rudie giuliani said at a private dinner quote -- i know

this is a horrible thing to say, but i do not believe that the president loves america. he wasn't brought up the way you were brought up and i was brought up through love of this country. giuliani was right about one thing -- it was a horrible thing to say. today he tried to walk it back sort of. >>. >> well, first of all, i'm not questioning his patriotism. he's a patriot, i'm sure. i do hear him criticize america much more often than other american presidents. when it's not in the context of an overwhelming number of statements about the exceptionalism about america, it sounds like he's more of a critic than he is a supporter. i don't also believe he expresses the love of western civilization that he should or understanding of western civilization. >> the president doesn't love western civilization.

now, rudie giuliani hasn't served office in 13 years. he's certainly not any kind of power player in the gop or anywhere else so it should be easy for republicans to reject this kind of talk and yet here's what gop governor scott walker, who was at the event with giuliani last night, here's what he said today. >> i mean the mayor can speak for himself. i'm nothing going to comment on what the president will -- >> did you agree or were you offended by the comments? what was your reaction? >> i'm in new york. i'm used to people saying that are aggressive -- >> governor walker refused to condemn the comments and bobby jindal shined in saying quote -- the gist of what mayor giuliani said is true. it's true that the president doesn't love america?

this is now an acceptable talking point from mainstream republicans? today president obama showed what this debate is really about, talking about the plan to defeat terror group, and emphasizing once again that the u.s. is not at war with islam. >> these terrorists are desperate for legitimacy. all of us have a responsibility to refute the notion that groups like isil somehow represent islam, because that is a falsehood that embraces the terrorist narrative. the nothing that the west is at war with islam is an ugly lie. all of us regardless of our faiths, have a spoon to reject it. have a responsibility to reject it. >> dana milbank worst, thank you both for being here.

>> congressman, it's one thing for a former mayor who is looking for relevance to say this stuff, but what about so-called serious republicans, some who are running for president. >> it shows a very troubling degradation of our politics to attack the commander in chief at a time when we should be concerned about the isil threat and what it presents to national security the people of decency all across the world. this is a president, rev, who was raised in large measure by a white mother and two white grandparents, a grandfather who served in world war ii. educated in some of the best institutions. >> but he wasn't brought up to love america. he wasn't raised to love america. >> the problem is with the republican attack machine is that facts don't matter. >> to rein in wall street to

deal with the beautiful -- but he's turning the economy around. to me that's shows a tremendous love of america. i thought we had got rid of thisriry old in the last election, what is this all about? >> i don't think it disappeared at all. i think it is a continue way of what we've been seeing over the last seven years now. that is to create the impression that this president is something other than a patriotic american. of course giuliani was questioning his patriotism before coming out and saying he wasn't, and he's not alone. we have ted chris, a republican members of the hours, others raising doubts repeatedly about

where this president's loyalties are, whether they're to america or to the terrorists. you can look at the president's language on avoiding the notion of a war against islam. it's essentially the same language that george w. bush used back during his presidency, but there is really a concerted effort i think to create this impression that this president is something other than a normal patriotic american. congress must we're also hearing claims that he several thizs with isis. listen to senator ted cruz. >> what undermines the global effort is for the president of the united states to be an apologist for radical islamic terrorists. >> i mean an apologist for terrorists? do comments like this make it harder to have a serious debate in this country about strategies for destroys isis? >> i think it's hard to have a

serious debate when the junior senator from texas is involved. he's continued to disgrace himself and his credibility, but there are problems there on the right who take ted cruz seriously, rev. that's an unfortunate thing. they've been attempting to delegitimize this president from the moment he was sworn in in january of 2009. they failed in the initial election, failed in the reelection, so now i think that the rhetoric has gotten more strident showing the hatred that many on the right seem to have for the president and for his success. it's unfortunate, because the republican okay instructionism if anything has been bad for america. they've been so determine to make sure that president obama failed, but they've limited even the aggressive economic progress that he's been able to make to the detriment of the american people. >> now, dana this -- since the isis threat emerged, since the beginning, we're sees more and

more right-wing pundits claiming the president is anti-american and anti-christian and all these kind of conspiracy theories. listen to this. this is balancing threats, and to the president of the united states, i believe the united states of america is the billinger threat. >> maybe we have some islamists embedded in the white house. >> the world would be a much safer place if the obama administration hated islamic extremists as much as they do fox news. >> he said you know what? isis is bad, but you know what? christians were just as bad as isis a couple centuries ago. he's making excuses basically saying we started it. >> dana maybe the republican politicians are just trying to satisfy these pundits that clearly galvanize their base. >> and i think that's the very important point here. you also will have wing nuts

saying all kinds of crazy things, but you have to look at who is validating that. scott walker who has as good a chance as any for getting the republican nomination for president, refusing to weigh in on whether this president loves his country. and refusing to weigh in on elf lice. that's why -- >> the former mayor, i understand he's got to do what he's got to do but the fact is these -- now with the following, is what's so disturbing and distressing. why to me it's so absurd. let's remember 1.6 million

people are muslim in the world. 1.6 billion muslims in the world, just 0.0018% are members of isis. and the u.s.-led coalition, congressman, has launched over 24 air strikes on isis since august. aren't those the facts that critics are missing? >> those are absolutely the facts, rev. this president has led the effort to combat and destroy isil. this is also the president that had the courage to pull the trigger on the assassination, a daring raid on osama bin laden, something that george bush his predecessor couldn't accomplish. so i think the reality here is always very difficult from the facts presented by the republicans, and it's unfortunate that it's a race to the bottom amongst republican candidates right now. >> what i'm saying is that we can all dugisagree, but we don't

have to be disagreeable or come with cheap shots. i ran into sarah palin, and even she said we both love america. i was stunned to hear her admit it but i have it on tape. that should be at the base of the discussion rather than the aberration. congressman hakeem jeffries and dana milbank, thank you both for your time tonight. coming up fears about a deadly new super bug. today many more at risk. should you be worried about your next trip to the hospital? also the gop civil war over jeb bush, how his last name and his record is pulling the party apart. president obama ace stirring tribute to generation of men who shook off the chains of jim crow to build a new life in the north. and a new debate about sugar. should we tax sweets the way we tax cigarettes?

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welcome to tonight gop dating game. with more angling for attention, it's time we get to know the contenders. let's get started. first up we've been a former republican governor. he was known for cutting taxes, fighting teachers' unions opposing abortion rights and supporting stand your ground. who is this mystery man? >> if you guessed jeb bush you

are absolutely right. on to our next contender. the base says he's -- one group even -- who is he? yep, this one is gem, too. so how does this work? jeb wants to be seen as a compass atconservative. but the base can't tanned him, and that unelectable line i wasn't making that up. check out this new online ad. >> i want to say thank you to both secretary clinton, thank you for yourself to our country.

>> now, this is not the first time that a clinton and a bush have shared this stage. ouch. jeb might be playing the gop dating game but he's still got a lot of right wingers who aren't interested. joining me now democratic strategist margie omara and jamal simmons. thank you both for being here. margie, we're talking about the gop dating game. will anyone in the base even return jeb's calls? because you see so many people entering the field. jeb bush despite his name i.

drksd. really can't break out of the top tier. he may be leading, but not be a lot. he's also trying to brand himself as part of a kinder gentler gop that can work. can that work? where jeb bush fought to keep this woman alive. tragically been sort of brain dead for a long time whose husband was willing to let her go. he was willing to use the government to interfering it's thought kind of examples that show that he's so in bed with the right wing of his party,

they're willing to trample on individual americans' able to make a decision what's best for their family. once people all the other pops i think they'll realize that bush 3.0 looks a lot like 2.0. >> let me dig in further, margie. the "wall street journal" today went out of its way to show all the ways jeb bush is conservative, saying that as florida governor he cut taxes by $19 billion, removed civil service protections. fought with teachers unions over testing and charter schools, and signed your first stand your ground law in the nation. is this the stuff that jeb bush will emphasize in the primary, but downplay in the general election? >> i guess it's part of his phrase i need to be willing to lose a primary in order to win the general. look jeb bush is no moderate.

you can read some of the recent coverage in "new yorker" and "wall street journal" articles i think the fact that he's meeting some resistance from within the primary voting electoral shows how far to the right the primarily electorate has evolved in the last few cycles. in some of the positions where he is more centrist, whether it's on education or whether it's on immigration, those can be unpopular in some of the early primary states. >> now, jamal, talk radio is one of the areas that jeb bush faces a lot of problem. listen to what some of the hosts are saying. >> i really don't like jeb bush for a variety of reasons. >> me too. >> people say jeb bush is the brightest bush. i'm starting to hi he's the dumbest. >> why doesant the base -- why is the became not thrilled about jeb? because jeb bush and the

republican establishment have made it clear they think the republican party's big problem is republican voters and not democrats and their policies. can he overcome this, jamal? >> you know on one side he's got the top radio folks coming after him. on the other side he's got these young activists really looking for somebody more like a rand paul. you would be surprised at the number of young republicans i hear about in my friends' families that are following rand paul. they think that rand paul is the ticket for the election so i think jeb bush has got a fight on two sides. both of right-wing adult conservatives and these millennials more enamored with a much more passionate conservative like rand. >> the other big jeb bush problem, margie is that he has that last name. yesterday he says he's his own man, but he reminded us an awful lot of his big brother. take a listen. >> the slogan that i think drove

the foreign policy of the '80s was peace through strength. >> our military is not letting you down when it comes to upholding a great tradition of peace through strength. >> free people free markets, preideas. >> free markets, free trade and freedom from oppression. >> i believe fundamentally weakness invites war. >> we will build or defenses beyond challenge, less weakness invite challenge. >> so jeb's his own man, margie. really? >> right. well he -- it was also worth noting not only the similarities in the speech the similarities in his foreign policy advisers and the post reported this week nearly every single foreign policy adviser that jeb bush has worked for, either the -- or both of the previous two president bushes and a "the washington post"/abc poll from january showed that even republican voters are kind of

divided whether they'll be more likely or less likely to vote for bush because of his family connections. so it's a liability even within his party and outside hit parties. >> margie o'meara, jamal simmons, thank you both for your time tonight. straight ahead, some breaking news tonight on that nightmare bacteria. why is a potentially deadly super-bug hitting a california hospital? and nearly five years since the bp oil disaster has anything changed? has there been justice for the people impacted? msnbc's ed shultz has some terrific reporting from the gulf. he joins me live, next. you, my friend are a master of diversification. who would have thought three cheese lasagna would go with chocolate cake and ceviche? the same guy who thought that small caps and bond funds would go with a merging markets. it's a masterpiece. thanks.

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case has been recorded. >> what we are watching now in terms of patients dies patients getting infected rrps sometimes the recommended sterilization isn't enough to decontaminate the scope before it's used again. >> joining me now is nbc news medical contributor dr. natalie azar. thank you for being here doc. >> thanks. >> how can someone get this bug. >> so basically the procedure that they're discussion is something called an ercp this is different from a regular endoscopy that goes into the esophagus. you have a camera and at scope that's going down through into the symptom aches into something called the small intestine, shooting from dye to look at the gallbladder and pancreas. to say why it's important that detail they believe that mechanism with the camera the dye and everything that that's

how the possible bacteria can seed this area get on that area, and as the infectious disease specialist commented, if it gets out of the gut and into the bloodstream, that's where it's dangerous. >> there appears to be no wrongdoing from the hospital. how do we change the procedures? >> what we are learning is they appropriately followed protocol in terms of disinfecting these scopes after they're being used. we need to take a closer look at what those recommendations. they may defer from manufacturers to manufacturer. the standard infection control procedures are pretty much you know, standard throughout the country, and the fda is clearly looking into this and making sure that not only are the recommendations appropriate, but that the hospitals and, you know endoscopy suites will be following these protocols very, very carefully. >> are there similar concerns with other instruments or other procedures? >> yes. so, you know even more broughtly, this is not a bacterial infection we worry

about just in the community. we typically would see this in what we call in-dwelling catheters. this is a gut bacteria so it has to do obviously something with the gatt t. rowe intestinal tract, but anytime up cath her or scopes in the area of the gut where this bacteria can live it's a potential for this thing happening. >> how concerned should people be? very alarmed? >> i think to reiterate for most people doing a regular endoscopy or colonoscopy we're not as concerned about those scopes as we are with the ones used in the ercp. my recommendation would be to discuss with the drr they are aware of this taking some extra measures to make sure they are disinfecting the scopes before they're being used. i did read from you know another institute they are waiting 48 hours between use to

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the environment. my msnbc colleague ed shultz has been doing some amazing reporting all this week with his series, the gulf today, five years after the oil spill, and see how life is different. >> so life has really changed here. >> it's been a nightmare. we woke up one morning and living in paradise, and went to living in hell. >> finding things like this on the beach certainly doesn't help. >> i never would have believed it unless i saw it. >> that's oil. that's what they made a liquid turn into this. how many chemicals do you think you have to spread to make a liquid turn into this. >> joining me is the host of the ed show.

ed, great reporting, five years later. do the people from the gulf have justice yet? >> no they don't. that's our next story coming up on monday. only a fraction of the people have been getting the kind of restitution for their businesses and personal losses five years after the enact. the $20 billion that was committed, the figure is nowhere near that at this point. basically when i went down there, rev, it was to listen to people. i went down there not knowing i was going to come back with a series but there's so many facets with the stories. there's a business loss personal loss, health concerns, the environment. and now the court battles. i found careers lost and financial ruin for a lot of people. it's sad.

>> there are people that have been paid, and we're going to have the facts and figures on all of that coming up in the next report exactly who has gotten paid. >> but some didn't -- >> the majority of people affected by the oil spill haven't gotten a dime. >> i want to show something from your series. >> i started having problems with breathing and a weird rash that breaks out frim. >> a lot of phones have had that? >> i just contributed it to old age, and then talking to people that worked out there, they're all complaining about the same thing. when we went to the doctor and get treated for it it doesn't help. they treat it like it's asth ma but the medication they give you for asthma weren't working for it. but there's a lot of people that are worse off than me and still

haven't seen a dime from bp for medical claims. >> not one dime, like you just said. there's three basic programs. there's the congressional program, the economic recovery program and then the medical claim program. there's only a fraction of those people that have gotten anything. there's been court rulings and whatnot, but they have really fallen short for taking care of the masses and for the people affected. what was put on the oil on the top, it had a chemical reaction it collected the oil and dropped it to the -- bp will say it's not right. they have a website that's comprehensive from their side of the story on everything but the folks down there have been clearly affected by this. the fishing industry has been affected.

>> i also found something wrong with the shrimp. >> that's a cancer that he got. >> and you can tell by the color of the shell. >> the shell's gone. yeah feel it? see, it ate that shell up. >> it just ate it up. >> what was your reaction when you saw that? >> well my next question to him was, do you consume that? he says yeah and the government says it's okay to consume it but obviously consumers are having a hard time with that. they do sort quite a bit and in that the shrimp quite a bit, and they are shrimping in different areas, but clearly there's an effect on the resource that gentleman i was talking to was dean blanchard, one of the largest fish -- or should i say shrimp distributors in the country. he's getting maybe about 30% of what he used to get. it's a different world down there. there are reefs that have been

producing fish for years for the commercial fishermen, rocco scalone who i interviewed, and they are all gone. they've been constructing reefs over the years, the government stopped letting people do that in the '90s, but all of the wildlife has been decimated on those reefs, and the fish aren't feeding on them anymore, and it's changed a lot of things. >> what surprised you. what did you go down and really find surprising? >> bp took out a huge advertising campaign about the gulf is great, come on back and bp has had a tremendous effort but in the eyes of the folks that live down there, not enough. folks in that part of the country are not against the oil industry. a lot of them work for the oil industry. they just believe, and i heard it time and time again, that they thought that bp was just not a very good player in the whole thing. what did i think when i went down there? i couldn't believe it. i guess i was one of those ones

that was believes there had been a real recoveries and everything was okay. i didn't know the commercial fishing had been decimated. i didn't realize that businesses -- one wharf that we recovered down there, a fighter pilot put his retirement in it. his wife had to go back to work she's 75 they're in debt over a million dollars. the oil came the business left and they couldn't get it back. the bank took the wharf and they're still stuck with the note. where is our government? it's no difference between a hurricane where federal help has to come in, you know or any kind of drought or anything like that. this one has just lasted five years. >> again, great reporting. ed shultz thank you for your time. waffle "the ed show" tomorrow for more on his series "the gulf today, five years after the spill" 5:00 p.m. eastern right

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here's time for conversation nation. the huchb ton post and thank you all for being here. >> i have to start by going to rudy giuliani saying he does not believe that the president loves america, but the real problem is people like scott walker refusing to condemn the comments, and bobby jindal saying the gist is true and ted cruz calling the president an apologist for terrorists. shirra rudy is one thing, totally irrelevant but the possible 2016 candidates not condemning it? how is this plays out? washington? privately a lot of them are shaking their head saying my gosh did rudy just say that?

when i heard about it i just put that in my manila file of crazy things he says times, and that he's never going to run for office again. >> liz? >> i agree with that. the emphasis on black on black crime, he's always going off, but there are people who are listening to him. that's what we need to be concerned about. the white house played the high road do with the three monuments with with #obamalovesamerica. what about the other guys? the guys that have real

followings. >> i think it's despicable, but not surprising. i think we need to hold people accountable. and the fact that the american thing you can do is hold your country accountable. >> and i think that's pretty sat. >> now to a question. should your sweets be taxed in a dietary gins advisory committee recommended a tax on sugarie foods and sodas, as a way to phytobeesity. more that two thirds of adults and nearly one third of children are teams overwade or obese? what do you think? should the government be taxing sugar? >> i don't have a problem with

taxing sugar. i think the question is who will be -- i think a lot of poor and working people will probably be hit heart. if they're to help people get healthy foot into their homes and into their mouths and we're going to change about how we're eating in this country, i'm are we're not convinced. >> i think it's pretty well proven even the most liberate not a popular position, and mostly i think voters should have an option. they can choose on a ballot referendum whether or not they want their sugar to be taxed. it doesn't have a terrific history in terms of taxes they kinds of premium protects. >> it's not just a health issue, but a class issue. it's more prevalent in low

socioeconomic areas, we can't just by -- we need to think about subsidies, and why it's harder for them to even be in the radius that's close enough to vegetables and proof. >> and then about the kind of fools that are available in many communities. where there's nothing available, but high sugar quick kind of foods. >> that's what you're going to do. >> right. everyone stay with me. happy birthday to photoshop, 25 years of altering reality. good for business but is it good for society? next.

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we're back with more conversation nation. liz, noah and shirra are still here. happy birthday 25th birthday to photoshop. it's great fun for the user. for 25 years it's altered or sense of reality, but cindy crawford is getting a lot of attention for this leaked magazine image, posing without photoshop. photoshopping stars is nothing

new. it's now fire photos. mariah carey's body was slimmed down and so was jennifer lawrence and pop star britney spears. nicki minaj called out a magazine saying she is loves her personal unretouched photo. what is the impact been? >> it's had a huge impact. i think all these examples are very interesting. nikki say i like my unre -- i think those are different. it's not entirely clear if she really wanted this photo to be released. is it seemed like it was leaked by a third party. judges by the photo released by her husband, i don't think she was happy with that photo being linked. i don't think there should be a witch-hunt. we can still have a conversation about -- without exposing they

women. >> you know what i would like to see, i would like to see celebrity walk the walk and make the agreement that they will public el the unretouched photos why don't they go for it and release their own untouched for theos, and show the world that it's okay to have a few extra curves. >> noah? i think people are hungry for it beyonce just had a photo leaked. the response was incredible. we look up to these people and it's nice to say, they're kind of like me. yes, they won the genetic lottery and i don't look like them but they have a pitching or curves too. i think we're hungry for that. it's had a big impact on generations of people. for years people thought i was very fat and was just photoshopped unit i could let everybody see the real me. thank you for joining the

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finally tonight, a monument to change. today in chicago, president obama designated the historic pullman factory district a national monument. it's a tribute to generations of railroad porters, mostly after kaj-american men who escaped the jim crow south to find work in the north and build a new black middle class. >> pullman became the first company in america to recognize a union of black workers. it was those pullmen porters who gave the base by which randolph could convince president truman to desegregate the armed forces. it was thunderstorms potters who helped lead the month goply bus

boycott, who were the central organizers of the march on washington. >> the porters became a central part of the civil rights movement. years later, many african-americans achieved success by standing on the shoulders of an saysors who were pullmen porters, including first lady michelle obama and supreme court justice thurgood marshall a. philip randolph who was the convener of the march on washington in '63 when martin luther king made that famous speech "i have a dream." i remember as a teenager the organizers ruston had horowitz call me to come to an event. i met randall. i learned of the stories of the dignity and pride of the pullman porters. my hero reverend joseph lowry would tell stories how it was pullmen, porters and preachers who helped break the walls of

apartheid down in the south. today was a deserving tribute in chicago to men who rebuild a community and brought their families with them. thank you for watching. i'm al sharpton. hbo starts right now. "hardball" starts right now. he's saying he doesn't love america. let's play "hardball." \s that's the charge out there, that the form of the united states doesn't love his kung. is this what it's come to? what's hitting us in the news right now are birthers likes donald trump who sea he was secretly lived here in africa, and