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danger from -- by dividing those who claim a deep commitment to this country and those that argue there are others who do not? let's find out tonight what rudy giuliani is getting to here. what is he failing to give us? howard dean was chairman of the national committee and michael teeth, chairman of the republican national committee both msnbc analysts. last night speaking to a group of conservatives, giuliani unloaded on the president's handling of terrorism. he said -- i do not believe that the president loves america. he doesn't love you. he doesn't love me and he wasn't brought up the way you or i were brought up to love this

country of ours. anyway, there was more from giuliani today on fox news. here he is. >> first of all, i'm not questions his patriotism. what i'm saying is i rarely hear him say how much hef loves america. doi hear him cry i'm america much more on which than other presidents. i also believe he doesn't express the love of western civilization or an understanding of western civilization or what it's brought to the world. >> governor? what's he saying there? at the same time saying in some -- of course he's -- i'm not questions his patriotism. what does that all mean? >> you know i actually have come to know rudy in our post-political careers, and i actually think he's serious.

i don't think he's just kind of catering to the right-wing nut jobs. i think there is a disconnect between some people who just don't understand what barack obama is about. it's a shocking thing to say. i couldn't believe he doubled down the next day. i also -- >> what would you think if somebody said about you, you know, howard dean he's a liberal and by the way i don't think he loves this country. >> right. i think frankly that stuff is so far out that only the hate wing of the republican party is going to accept that. that's not very big. an average person -- >> do you have a radio in your car? >> well, no i don't listen -- >> but those people have -- rush limbaughs of the world have made their money on hate. >> they're listening and repeating it. he love it. >> rush limbaugh has an ever-shrinking audience and it's not an accident. it's not an accident that major corporations pull their advertising. i would never have said that

george w. bush doesn't love america. it wouldn't have occurred to me to say that. we had different views of what should happen in america, but i find this an astonishing thing to say. if i was his press secretary, i probably would quit. >> he said it anyway. why would used,giuliani, who most of us have respect for what they did on 9/11. i grew up with guys like him. i don't dislike the guy. i totally dislike what he just said. >> i kind of fall in that camp. anytime you start a sense with "i probably shouldn't say this" you probably shouldn't say it. what comes next will not get good for anybody. >> who is it good for? you think it was truly what he believed. that may by true but what is this thing like he doesn't seem like ronald reagan or bill clinton. >> he touched on something.

the way we look at a bill clint are not and ronald reagan how they spoke and quaid their emotions about this country is clearly very different from this president. i would submit even with george w. bush, who like howard said you would never say he didn't love america -- >> i will try to find a smidgen of justice. here is what i think they're trying to talk about, you know like the birthers like trump. hi's from africa, he's not one of us -- >> see, i think he's catering to the far right. i actually don't believe that trump believes that. >> what would the former mayor of new york saying with the current president doesn't connect with western civilization. >> that's just gibberish. >> it sounds like intelligence design birtherism.

>> i can hear you. [ applause ] . i can hear you. the rest of the world hears you, and the people -- [ cheers and applause ] >> and the people who knocked they buildings will hear all of us soon. [ cheers and applause ] >> that was a thrilling moment for america. a thrilling moment of resilience, the people had just gone through hell with all of those people dead and there's the fire fighter laughing too. >> juxtapose that against the announcement by the white house of the beheading of american citizens and the killing more recently of the young woman. what was the president's actions after that? >> you think too cool for school? >> too cool for school. that disconnect that howard referenced translates to a lot of americans. >> about you we hang that on you, did you reference that too

cool for school? >> no i don't think -- >> that's what giuliani is talking about? >> maybe. i never had a big problem with that. i think the president did what all presidents do shortly after -- we bombed the living hell out of isis and it's been a sustained effort to this day. if you compare george w. bush and barack obama, you get a very different demeanor but you get the same action. >> no you don't. >> people who harm america -- >> you only get half the action. yes, the president bombed the enemy as he perceived it but his communication to the american people was something that was lacking i think he should go a little more repairing, mr. mayor. i do mean that. just take it back. anyway outraged republicans typically point to three recent examples of white house soft talk. the first was some the president

compared christianity to isis brew tality by invoking the crusades. >> brutal sishs death cult that in the name of religion compares humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human his theory and lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades and the inquisition people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. anyway the president is the second's refusal to liable it islamic terrorism. >> we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. the terrorists do not speak for over a billion muslims who re -- they no more represent islam

than any madman who kills innocents in the name of god, that represent christianity jewel day itch or hind it'sism buddhism. people are responsible for terrorism. third is what state department deputy spokesperson marie haharf. >> we need to go after the root causes that lead people to join these groups, whether it's lack of opportunities for jobs. we can work with countries around the work. we can help them build their economy so they can have job opportunities for these people. >> well anyway the whole knock across the board from the republican side is that the president doesn't have a gut reaction to isis to the behidings, to the burns alive. we're watching on television people are angry beyond belief. he's not -- i guess this is what it's all about, that visceral

rage. i guess that's it. >> i get it i get it. maybe it would be great if he did what george bush did or what bill clinton did. he's right. first of all, the islamic ic terrorists want us to call them islamists, why? that cloaks them in a religion that billions believe in. the president is luteally right to say this is not about islam. this is about a bunch of thugs and murderers and terrorists that we need to get rid of. that deprives them of the very rationale they are using to recruit people. >> will said. >> the truth is the president is right on all three counts. i agree with you that he would do better if he would show some outrage. people like that and probably he should but he raps to be right on all three policies. >> the president may be right, but in the last 30 seconds you expressed it better than he has in the last two years. that's the problem. >> well said. we ought to coin what you just said. it's all propaganda both directions. >> of course it is. >> you're trying to win an

argument. obviously these people believe it's part of their religion. they believe it. they're going to paradise. >> and that's -- >> i think personally that makes them crazy. >> they're using the tenets of a faith to justify their actions. and again, the president has the bully pulpit. he could use that that is a backdrop to help make that argument. >> but i think you said is very well and i will not speak longer on this. >> thank you michael steele. coming up the without is coming under fire. my question why do they want president obama to brand this as an east versus west war. analysts say -- they say that detecting a possible american accent of a masked man in a recent isis video, the one

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welcome back to possibly possibly. what's in a name? when it comes to terrorism, apparently a lot. conservatives are blasting the white house for -- let's listen. >> if you refuse to say that they're extremist members of the islamic religion then it sound like you're living in mars. >> we have an administration that will not even admit there's a religious basis underlying what's going on? >> at this point it is beyond burlesque. it's pathological. it's clinical. their inable and unwillingness to accurately describes things. >> to me it's almost like we're afraid to -- if you don't identify your enemy, it's hard to mobilize your support. >> when you have the situation where the commander in chief is putting our national security at risk, because he's unwilling to say we're at war with islamic

terrorists they can pretend as much but we haven't seen an administration so divorced from reality as this current one is. >> for his part president obama defended his careful word choice speaking at a summit on countering violent extremism. he said today they use islam to justify their -- and the west shouldn't play into the trap by prohot rho motting the idea that the west is at war with islam. >> these terrorists are desperate for legitimacy. all of us have a responsibility to refute the notion that groups lie isil somehow represent islam, because that is a falsehood that embraces the terrorist gnarl tiff. groups like al qaeda and isil peddle the lies that some of our countries are hostile to muslims. some communities never -- it feeds a cycle of fear and resentment. in and a sense of injustice upon

which extremists prey. >> ron fourier and michael crowley, senior foreign affairs correspondent for politico. gentlemen, is this a tempest in a teapot? what good will come if the president said i will call them islam s.o.b.s, whatever you want to do i'll do it. what would be gained if he buckled and said i'm not going to stop delineating. >> he could say it for the next 48 hours over and over again, but it wouldn't kill one terrorist, but it will stop playing this game with republicans, stop taking their debate, stop letting them dominate the narrative here. >> but in the world, if he starts saying islamic bad guys does that give the bad guys -- howard dean said a minute ago, the cover of being among the religious followers? >> no that's a name. you know what they really want? they want us to declare war against them and we're about

to. >> then why should we do it? >> we're about to declare a war on isis. that's what they really want. the idea we're going to make them stronger by calling it slammic extremism is silly. frankly, i'm not as much interested in the debate over how we're going to talk about them as opposed to how we're going to kill them. he should be having the country focused on. >> i've been trying to get people to tell me the last week how they're going to kill isis. i haven't heard the answer. >> you know why? we're talk talking about the talk instead of talking about the fight. we can have a conversation -- >> when -- i think i know the turf on which they're trying to get traction. he is too cool for school. he's almost sinatra-like in his coolness. when he's in trouble politically, it drives people

crazy. when are you going to get some excitement here? but politically, what are the republicans get out of what he was saying? call it islam ofascism this or that. they've been doing that for years. >> there's this frame that republicans have constructed around obama that he's weak not a leader he's not facing up to the real problems in the world, that somehow he wants to negotiate with terrorists and bad guys. >> is he an apologist for islam? >> no. >> isn't that what they're saying? >> i don't know what that means. he's making a correct different jails between a bunch of crazy fanatics and an enormous worldwide religion. >> are they driving by their religion house interpretation? >> some are, definitely no question. if you pay any attention to isis it's clear a lot of religious zealots who can recite chapter and verse even if they're completely warping and distorting it.

perverting it basically but they are fundamentally religious guys driven by theology but that doesn't mean that we need to talk about it in those terms. there are good reasons why it doesn't make sense. the president is not just speaking to washington. he has a global audience. he wants to make clear to moderate muslims or even very devout muslims who are not violent, this isn't about us against your religion and what is gain by using the language that republicans want? >> as long as -- >> we're against. two big things one you explain to the american people exactly what's going on which is -- this is a country -- this is a movement that is using the religion to try to destroy us. two, you take off the table this demonization. >> ily say there's a precedent on for that. >> we have the new york mayor saying he doesn't love america. that's preposterous. >> rudy giuliani if you're watching, please take that back.

there's no reason to litigate that any further. >> i will say the white house has adopted your logic at least once. in september they wouldn't say we were at war, is this a war? and republicans started hammering on them and they folded, and they said fine we're at war just to kill the controversy. maybe we'll see that again. >> it's intellectually illogical we could call it islamic -- while we're asking congress to pass a -- the president's refusal to label islamic terrorism means he doesn't get the problem we're facing. anyway the president spent more time talking about how america is not at war with islam than he did laying out a credible ideology americans understand we are not at war with islam, but we will not defeat these fanatics if we refuse to define them for what they are, violent

islamist extremists. that was pretty well said. here was the front page of nos knolls. i don't like it. islamic terror? i just don't see it. >> it just doesn't make sense. what difference does it make what language he uses? everyone knows what this is about. what matters is the strategy, to kill them before they can hurt us. what are we doing to stand up a credible iraqi government. >> does the president have the power to set the way we talk? i remember years ago jesse jackson in his higher greater days maybe he still is, he should use african-american than the words of the past. once he said that that was the official language we all abided by. he had the power to do that. can this president leading the fight against isis define a term and say we are not going to call it islamic terrorism.

would that mean anything? or is he just out of touch? can he set the term? you said he could. he could set the language. >> it's harder than it used to be but axis of evil who set that term? >> i think it was david fromme one of the neocon writers. >> but for him to have the ability to convince america, to persuade americans, he can't let himself be -- >> the videos persuade people plenty. i don't think we need to spend so much time on the phrase. >> you never predict where you will go. >> never can i. thank you very much. experts think a key figure in the latest video mav a connection to the west may even be an american-sounding person anyway. i'm not sure. you decide. you with do it as well as the experts, i think maybe almost as well. can you tell if this guy is one of us? this is "hardball," the place for politics. control...

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welcome back to possibly "hardball." experts in the study of linguistic believe a key figure in the video released by isis may have some connection to the west. filmed in libya, the video released sunday purported to show the execution of 21 christians koppettist christians an isis-affiliated speaker speaks to the camera in ink lish. he accent may provide some clues. we're joined by dr. john oregan in applying linguistics at the institute of education, and michael sheehan. let's listen now, all of us to an audio excerpt from that video. it's brief, so pay special attention to the sound, the tone of the militant's voice. >> recently you've seen us on the hills of hasham.

that wasn't much. doctor, what's your assessment of that person? you have to play sherlock holmes here. >> well, i think that while this may not be an american accent of the kind that i've been listens to on your show for the past few minutes, it's definitely an americanized accent. i would say this is somebody who could well have been educated in the states for some time. he might have a migrant to the states maybe came in hi teens, so he's had a u.s. education, but he will have retained aspects of his first language accent. that's what's showing through on the tape. but nevertheless, he gives all the indications of having been exposed to a lot of american english. now, if he hasn't been to the states, i would say that he may well have had an education in an american international school possibly -- very possibly in the middle east.

>> is this a process -- i want to go through your methodology. he doesn't have a south african accent, you can't hear australians, you can't hear british of any kind. so that sort of takes you over -- you can't hear old african, rhodesian or kenyan english. is that how you separate him and bring him to the north american option? >> partly. partly. that's a bit of an over generalization, but i think one of the key features in his voice is what linguists would call the post-vocalic "r" which says he pronounces the "r" at the end of all his words. over here in britain, with words like mother father daughter sister we don't pronounce the "r" sound tess end. this guy, when he speaks he does, so we he doesn't say

together, he says to-geth-er. these kinds of words indicate or this kind of use of the "r" sound in the whole transcript gives hi way of speaking a real american flavor. >> we don't want to show too much propaganda but listen to the same words again and with your own experience as americans figure out whether he's one of is in terms of language. >> recently you have seen us on the hills of hasham. doctor, thank you so much for that. michael sheehan, why -- they had somebody the other day, a couple weeks ago, one of be headings and they made sure there was a british accent. is this part of stirring up the crap scaring people and he can do some beheadings in america now? >> it is. they speak by putting out

someone who can speak english they're going to effect the broader policy. actually that doesn't work. what does have impact is they will incite the radicals in the united states to get more fired up and the more subtle problem for us counter terrorism experts is that guy has probably been to the united states which means he probably has an american passport and he could come back -- >> that's what they want us to believe. >> that's right. >> let me ask you about that. it seems to me the notion of terrorists is to keep people scared. you go skiing and you're terrorized. trierize a person make them fear the horror that's coming. they behead people pour gasoline on 21 people they kill all these people on a bus or truck the other day, who just happened to be people who fought them in anbar province in iraq. when are they coming here? would they go to a place way out in the country? our country is enormous. there are spaces in the country where nobody is there. they could do this stuff if

they -- they could pull off one of the hess beheadings. are they going to do that next to keep the excitement here -- >> it's hard for them to get here. >> this guy he look like he's been here he's legal. >> but it's hard for them to operate. remember the connecticut bomber the times square bomber. he was afraid to reach out to anybody else. he operated by himself. he was afraid he might be arrested by the fbi or nypd. they might be able to come here but really since 9/11 al qaeda and aqi, al qaeda in iraq which really started in 2003 2004 have not been able to operationalize themselves in the united states. >> what's next then? >> i think they're going to try to consolidate territory where they are now, not focus on the united states. it's the near fight. >> the caliphate. >> yes. thank you, doctor for joining us from london and michael, thank you for being here. up next what has giuliani

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i'm milissa rehberger. a senior u.s. military officials sell iraqi forces may try to take back mosul from isis as soon as april, with the help of u.s. air strikes and possibly american ground troops. here in the u.s. a suspect is under arrest in connection with the las vegas road rage shooting that left a woman dead. the suspect was taken into custody after police surrounded a home about a block away from where the victim lived. another individual is also being sought. this week's southern winter storm in the bone-chilling cold that has followed is being blamed for 15 deaths in three

states. and ucla has 2340i6d herely 180 patients that they may have been exposed to a drug-resistant superbig during procedures at the hospital. back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." former new york city mayor giuliani made waves last night by openly questions president obama's love of country. he told a group gathered in manhattan, which included wisconsin governor scott walker quote -- i do not believe the president loves american. he doesn't love you and doesn't love me. he wasn't brought up the way you were brought up and i was brought up love of this country. that's a strong statement, and a very direct one. liz maher is a republican strategist danny vargas and perry bacon, a senior political reporter. you first, liz, do you think he

wishes he hadn't said that? >> i think it's probably correct to say that president obama doesn't love rudy giuliani at least right now, right? >> in other words that he doesn't love me was probably the accurate part. >> maybe if he had front-loaded that the comment would have gone over better. i think what he's saying is what a lot of people rightly or wrongly, do believe. i personally would not put it quite that way. i would not go out and say i think barack obama hates america. >> how would you say it? >> i would think the attitudes he takes with regard to foreign policy oftentimes put emphasis on international concerns and international interests over what i would described more narrowly defined american interests. i think that's a questionable approach that makes a lot of people uncomfortable and has proved to be problematic. is that the same thing as hateing america? no does it overlap with that in a -- >> i'm quite a nationalist, and

i like him, so i've got to figure that one. >> i think giuliani has spent too much time in the echo chamber. he's a good guy, but i think he's spent too much time in the echo chamber of the more ultra-conservative voices. >> but he's not one of them. >> even before he said it he said i probably shouldn't say this, but he said it anyway. i think he's heard it so many times and was sort of repeating it. i think what he really felt wang -- that president obama, probably more than any other president in the u.s. history doesn't buy into the notion of american exceptionalism the shining city on a hill in sole possession of superpower status that we are great and greater than any other country than god has ever permitted man to create. he doesn't buy into that as much as previous presidents. i think the problem he sees in president obama aapproach. i disagree with almost all his policies.

but to say he doesn't love america, that he doesn't love the country is a bridge too far. he doesn't -- you can't run for president without loving the country. >> how would you react when you heard it? >> i really hated "he didn't grow up the way you and i did." it's like birtherism. it's all that stuff we've been trying to say for years. can we ever talk about public policies? what you just laid out was fine what you laid out was fine you disgraze with his policy views, not this attack on -- you dough no what obama believes. stop pretending that you do. just talk about policies -- >> what was he up to? >> i think you're right, he hayes in the echo chamber. and online probably more than on television, but i don't think he was up to that. i think he just said the wrong thing, but the fact he's thinking it is part of the

problem. i don't know scott walker i met him one, but here is scott walking reacting in a very careful way. here he was after, a few seats away from the mayor. here was his reaction when he was pressed on what he thought of it. >> the mayor can speak for himself. i'm not going to comment on what the president thinks. i tell you, i love america. >> what was your reaction when you hard them? >> i'm in new york i'm used to people saying things that -- >> he said he's used to people speaking aggressively. >> in new york? again, a factual statement. who can argue with that? i tend to agree with that. i think jumping back to a couple points you guys were making previously. i think rudy has been a hawk for some time. he has palled around with hawks quite a bit. so, you know to the point about what you would expect him to say, i'm not sure i would expect much different from this. from the point about whether president obama has grown up in

an environment that's different to the rest of america, i mean i would just say that probably growing up in hawaii is different than growing up in an italian-american family in new york city. >> you think that's what he was saying? >> no not necessarily. when i heard him say that it was like duh, nobody grew up in the same circumstances as rudy. >> what's relevant the, he's never -- he was never expected to lead anything. he's never been an executive at a company, never been in charge of anything a chief executive officer of a company knows he's the chief cheerleader. as a leader of the country, he has to be the chief clearleader. particularly speaking in public. the other thing that he has in hi background is growing up in the academic environment that he did -- >> ethereal. >> seeing america as a benevolent country, as a member of the community of nations, somewhere between albania and

zimbabwe. >> you took that directly from peggy noonan. >> it's true though that -- >> all our experiences are different, but let me ask you this about who loves or doesn't. african-americans have a totally different experience their love of the country has to be a little different than the person that got on the of boat and everything has been great. >> he -- how big the economy is growing, how much he's pushing for things. he seems perfectly fine working hard. how can you run for president without loving the country and wanting to improve it? i just find this whole rationale -- the notion that he's more critical of the u.s. han other presidents, i think that's true. >> i think i started this whole thing with my treatment of ma reharf of the state department when he talked about the long-term -- and i'm viscerally i get hot sometimes, i get mad. i get mad about the president's lousy debate performance, i get

upset about 20 pointsb hind hillary. i get reactions to things. i admit i'm different. he's frank sinatra, very cool. in the short-term solution somebody is breaking in your house, you make sure he didn't get in the house, whatever you have to. in the long term the guy would have been better off going to school than hanging out on the corner, we have to make decisions, but sometimes we overrun each other. thank you will marie harf for coming on the show. who is for sure going to win the oscar on sunday? that's on "hardball," coming back. monthly statements and online...for free. that's pretty cool of you guys. well we just want to help you stay on top of your credit and avoid surprises. good. i hate surprises. ahhhh ahhhh are you ok? nope.

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we're back with the perry. and sunday night, as we all know, is oscar night. it's coming up. wasn't to know who the "hardball" roundtable says are the sure bets to win. we'll go to the full right now. the three major categories best picture, where the nominees are "bird man," "selma,," "the theory of everything," and "whiplash." best actor. the nominees are eddie redmayne michael keaton bradley cooper, benedict benedict. and best actress, felicity jones, and marian cotyard.

>> i'll go "american sniper" for best picture. a, critically acclaimed, did well at the box office and it gives the academy a chance to say, we understand red state, america. we understand -- >> i really do -- you know what it reminded me of a kind of movie, i'm not knocking anybody with this because i hung out -- i went to a lot of drive-in movies as a kid. that's got drive-in movie all over it. it's like the old elvis presley movie. for regular people against the elite. it's regular people, american all the way. that guy had an american accent all through that movie. >> i agree with perry, "american sniper" was a great movie. ting it's going to win. i think for best actor, i would give to bradley cooper who was the star of the movie. and it was a stretch. i liked michael keaton in "birdman," but he was playing himself almost. so bradley cooper stretched as an actor, wasn't in his comfort zone being the sort of pretty boy leading man that he usually does or a comic. this was a stretch this was a reach. >> didn't you like the way he was sort of inward. it was like the kind of guy you'd think would be this kind

of guy. like gary cooper from the old days. i've got to fight, i'm going to get good at it. i'm not flashy, there's no pa panache here i'm just doing my job. >> and it was as true to the real-life guy as possible. even the guy's widow believes that bradley's performance was spot-on. >> and i just saw him in "elephant man," another nafgamazing display of talent. now it's up to you. >> i think julianne moore. >> you stole it from me! >> i'm sorry. i didn't mean to. >> she plays a woman who is a very academic person at columbia, she's a professor, all the lights on brain power, gets early alzheimer's. explain. >> i think that's something that's going to resonate with a lot of people out there. ting it is something that america is grappling with but also fundamentally i think she's a very good actress and she did a good job and there'll be an inclination to reward that. >> i think alec baldwin was very good. my father went through that with my mom.

the caregiver is in many ways the star in life. because they're the ones who lose company. they lose the best company of their life. the person they get used to and love being with and look forward to every evening with and look forward to every morning getting up and all of a sudden they're not there anymore. and that didn't even -- that movie didn't even go to the horror part the end zone. it only went to a certain point. but if it goes to the point where you're not physically able to be a regular person. one theory i have about movies, they're always about the present. you can say it's about the civil war or the christian story. it's really always about today. and i think there's more movies about aging now than there were before. certainly, "birdman," and i think there's a lot about -- i think there's going to be a lot of sympathy for michael keaton's character. >> there will be a lot of sympathy for michael keaton but america in many respects is feeling scared. with everything we're seeing with isis, where we're seeing that folks around the world are being threatened. israel is surrounded by enemies. has existential threats.

i think we need to have a sense that there are average americans that can be here rose too. that's why "american sniper" and bradley cooper did a great job. he's today's version of john wayne. he's a stand-up guy -- >> more like gary cooper. >> more like gary cooper but we need stand-up folks. >> wayne liked these wars. gary cooper fought them because he had to. sergeant york. >> the other movie about today of course, "selma," came out in 2014. >> great movie! >> also a really important time a discussion about civil rights we've had this last year. a discussion about what's the president's role -- >> wasn't the english guy who played it, wasn't he unbelievable? i thought it was dr. king. i thought the guy who played john lewis looked like john lewis. and a couple of the other leaders i recognized from the past. i didn't like the way they treated johnson, because i think johnson was a great man and our greatest civil rights president, don't you think? >> yes i agree. >> the movie dramatically was powerful stuff. so i'll watch. hope it doesn't run too long. >> it always does. >> always does. >> thank you. anyway thank you to liz mair

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frustrated, and okay angry because he didn't seem as angry, frustrated, and angry as i was by his position so far behind. rudy giuliani says that obama doesn't love his country, like he does like others he knows do. i can understand what i'm getting at, this coolness the president gives off. he's not a hot head like rudy or me sometimes. he just isn't. i remember when he got hammered in that first debate with mitt romney. he didn't know he was being humiliated. didn't he know he was letting that man's sense of superiority beating him up on television. another time i went hot and obama went cool. but like all the other teams, obama did what he had to do. his team defeated the undefeatable hillary clinton and her team. he came back to beat mitt romney twice in debates, clearing the way for his convincing re-election as president. so i can see why a guy like rudy would think obama's too cool for school. but mr. mayor, you should never go after someone's love of his country. it breaks the rules we live by. it divides us when we should be united. i urge you to take it back and

quickly, because it really does no good at all, except score political points with those who hate. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> they're fighting for their god and all i can say is the person who has god on their side is going to win this. >> holy war talk from a republican member of congress as a majority of americans now favor ground troops to fight isis. >> these terrorists are desperate for legitimacy. >> tonight, as the president fighting his critics have we learned nothing? then, the political fallout from rudy's horrible obama remarks. >> i do hear him criticize america much more often than other american presidents. >> plus, benjamin netanyahu commissions a poll that would make dick morris blush. >> we're going to win by a landslide. >> the raise the wage campaign scores its biggest victory ever. and my exclusive interview with the former cia agent who did two years in