crashing a party is not what it used to be. just ask rudy giuliani. it is friday, february 20th and this is "now." >> i feel sorry for rudy giuliani. >> still not backing down from remarks he made challenging the president's patriotism. >> he apologizes for america. he criticizes america. >> it's all a way of saying he's not a true american. he's not like you and me. >> it will be interesting to see how other republicans handle it. >> we're seeing a lot of hesitancy to weigh in. >> scott walker didn't repudiate what he said. >> what you say about these comments will help define you in the public mind. >> just stop already. >> we're back to the lowest common denominator.

>> no you're not going to win elections that way. >> i feel really sorry for rudy giuliani. >> first, there was the birther movement and now there is the love for country phenomenon. former new york city mayor who said he didn't believe president obama loved america, rudy giuliani is doubling down. >> mr. mayor, do you want to apologize for your comments? >> not at all. i want to repeat. the reality is from all that i can see of this president, all that i have heard of him, he apologizes for america, he criticizes america. i don't hear from him what i heard from harry truman what i heard from bill clinton, what i heard from jimmy carter which is these wonderful words about what a great country we are. >> a lot of liberals don't believe in american exceptionalism but that doesn't mean they don't love america. >> i don't feel this love for america. >> giuliani told "the new york

times" that some people told me they thought it was racisteistracist. i don't get it. this isn't racist. this is socialism or possibly anti-colonialism. rudy giuliani wasn't invited to the event where he started this firestorm. he was not scheduled to speak at the event or was invited to attend it. >> the mayor can speak for himself. i'm not going to comment on what the president thinks or not. >> did you agree with those comments comments? were you offended by those comments? >> i'm in new york. i'm used to people saying things -- >> joining me now is the editor and chief of "new york times

magazine" and other guests. robert gibbs, i'll start with you. josh ernest says he feels sorry for rudy giuliani. >> i don't feel sorry for any of them. if you watch that interview with megan kelly, the look on her face while she's interviewing rudy giuliani. she's stunned. she's stunned that he's not just there to repeat it but he expounds on it. i thought questioning the love of country was certainly part of it but really the second part of it i thought was the much darker part of it. this he wasn't raised like you and i were. it really does -- it is deeply offensive. i think it is deeply divisive. we wonder in this country why we don't come together to pass

common sense solutions to things. maybe this is why. rhetoric that doesn't allow people to sit at a table and come to an agreement on anything. this is a guy who started 2007 as what everyone assumed would be the republican candidate. now he's really reduced to saying outlandish things just to get on tv. >> yeah. i will say, joy, it is more rudy giuliani talk than we have had in recent memory. to robert's point about the divisive nature of these comments, jeff toobin has a piece in "the new yorker." this isn't something we have talked about a lot, but the ship has not sailed on this argument which is with his cosmopolitan background, obama makes an easy

target for the paranoid style. that line of thinking has found safe harbor in certain fringes of the conservative movement. >> absolutely. robert knows better than anyone early on in senator barack obama's campaign for president, part of the premise to stop him from getting into the white house was to plant him as an alienate him. he wasn't born here. it was always tied to his being black, to his being african, to his being anti-colonialist. >> there were founding fathers that were anti-colonialist. >> made sense, but it was meant to get to that part in the limbic brain of certain people on the right who feel that

barack obama just doesn't belong in the white house. he shouldn't be there. just who he is is antithetical to what a president should look like feel like and sound like. >> we always go back to this moment in the 2008 campaign when john mccain was asked about whether barack obama was a patriot, whether he was an arab and john mccain said i believe this man is an american he is a good man. it was sort of like the mccain comment heard around the world. he was widely lauded for this. why don't more republicans do that? >> you were talking about giuliani who has established he is in a category by himself. >> yes. >> then there's talking about other republicans, more mainstream republicans. to joy's point, there's a

temptation to use a certain line of thinking as a political strategy create distance between a candidate like obama and a voter. in giuliani's case what he appears to be now is somebody who has a real penchant for par noipar paranoia. is this just going to make him completely toxic as an endorser? >> who was not invited to scott walker's 21 club? >> sarah palin was getting these crowds hot and bothered. she was way more popular than mccain. >> robert don't you think the republican party felt good in that moment when john mccain said that? >> well in a town hall meeting

when people are excited, it is a brave moment to disagree with somebody who is holding a microphone. it was a strong moment for john mccain, and it was an important moment for the country. i think what has to rile republicans more than anything really is this is a tried and true but very failed political tactic. we had a whole discussion in 2011 and 2012 about whether this president believed in american exceptionalism. maybe that was a more intellectual argument than what giuliani was making. a political slogan only works is if the converse illuminates your candidate. if you're the republican party and you're looking to expand the electorate, if you're looking to appeal to people that may not look just like the republican nominee, which every party has to do to get 50% plus one vote

in this country, this is decidedly not a good thing. goodness knows if he didn't get invited and this is what he said, imagine if he had time to prepare a speech. >> i think there is kind of a deeper -- perhaps i'm waxing overly philosophical here but a deeper thing to get at which is how politicians conceive of patriotism. he gives giuliani credit in a very small respect, which is crude as he is giuliani is not wrong to sense a difference between obama and predecessors. his vision is less triumphant and informed by a civic humility. obama is a black american and black americans have a complicated relationship with our country. what do you think of that? >> absolutely. i'm glad that point is being made.

for african-americans, the experience of being an american is hardly triumphant. the vast majority of black history is horrific. we have you think about jeremiah wright and him saying damn america for the sins, that since ofense of feeling that the country doesn't love us is part of the black experience. martin luther king called america the greatest purveyor of violence in the history of the world. embedded in african-american culture is this lack of triumph in america. i have never understood why people need to have a past given, a constant saying of it's

okay. whatever horrors were done we're still awesome. >> or do you not want to re-examine those horrors. obama believes in america's exceptionalism in terms of the constitution and the democracy we represent, but that is very different than clinton era patriotism and patriotism of the early 20th century. it merits further explanation and extrapolation. >> the word used was love, love of country. >> right. >> to be able to love a country or anything in full awareness of the kinds of flaws, the kinds of history, the kind of darkness that i think is pretty clear that the president is aware of that's a special kind of love. a special kind of awareness and capability. >> it is a fuller love in many ways. >> yes. >> robert, the thing about this president, too, is he is an

intellectual person. he is nuanced. he is embraceing of american history and he has a sense of the complicated history that american patriotism and love entails. >> i think there's no doubt about it. i agree with a lot of what was just said. but i just think it has to leave him and others just shaking their head that time after time you go back to this argument. you go back to this he wasn't raised like us he doesn't look like us. just the real darkness that it pervades into all of our political discourse. it's just a real shame. this is what occupies time. if people want to have a debate about our strategy on isis on terrorism, that's perfectly well and good and those are debates we ought to have each and every day, but we ought to certainly do it in a tone and a discourse that allows that debate to somehow be productive. it is clear that the labeling of

what mayor giuliani did in this case is so far from productive that it poisons the well that that civil discourse that makes our country so great is wounded in and of utitself. >> i will give props to marco rubio. i believe the president loves america. his ideas are bad. you can still debate the ideas, but the love is there. jack silverstein, hang with me. after the break, big problems in christieland. not bridges, but bushes. plus is america still america without red meat? we'll talk to the two americans who want to take a one-way trip to mars actually factually. that's next on "now."

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i'm never running for this job again, ever. and the fact is that that does liberate you. now there are probably many of you in this audience that think i need no liberation to begin with, but it is liberating to just be able to say the truth in an unadulterated way. >> that was chris christie proclaiming his liberation as a lame duck governor. today "the new york times" published an assessment. he does not return phone calls. he does not act for support. he arrives late for meetings and

acts like he has all the time in the world. that in just hours ago "the washington post" reported that nicholas brady is throwing his support behind jeb bush's potential 2016 bid. this comes a day after billionaire new york jets owner woody johnson singled his own support for bush. tim miller signaled that he too, will be joining the pro-bush team as his likely communications director. joining me now is a political reporter nick con. >> i think there are a sense of people who were with him and still are that he has much less time to get in. we have ten months until the

first primary. it is only february. oh, my god. who is rushing? in fact, there's a finite number of talented staff and the really biggest donors and bundlers who have experienced raising 2 million, 5 million for a campaign. >> the woody johnson defection seems like a really big deal. >> woody johnson is one of the three or four biggest gets in the new york city area, which is one of biggest areas in the country for raising money. >> he is one of the 16 biggest. >> he's a really big whale. to land him is a really big deal on the jeb bush side. there are many who are yet to be untapped. i do not think jeb bush has a commanding presence. he hasn't locked up the whole world here. >> but there's momentum. momentum feeds momentum, does it not? >> christie has to start momentum if he wants to stay in

the game. >> what part of christie's record may be litigated if he decides to run? it may not be the bridgegate stuff. it could be his fiscal record in the state. of the three biggest rating companies, they have down rated new jersey's credit rating eight times. it would be a big deal in iowa where there is a fiscal hawkishness. they don't like credit card debt in iowa. >> people who are going to run against him have better records on the whole for job growth in their states and unemployment in their states. scott walker has a great story to tell about the economy in his state over the last couple of years. chris christie does not. >> it is important to talk about what is happening oppositen the left side of the aisle. at least 60 companies that

lobbied the state department during health care's tenure donated millions of dollars to the clinton foundation. this is the beginning of open season on all of that. to what degree do you think the clinton camp understands the potential hot water they are? >> they have reacted quickly. they'll reconsider foreign contributions. they reversed the ban in the first place. this is an open wound. it is a legitimate question to ask about a candidate running for the country's highest office. >> i wonder what you think happens -- martin o'malley is seen as a likely challenger bernie sanders. >> if they run, i'm sure they will. what's fascinating to me is if

hillary clinton doesn't run for some reason, there's not a whole lot of other caliber tapped -- think about that. that's a real problem for the democrats as a party. they have no solid plan "b." >> would they raise that potentially damaging information in the primary process? republicans are going to definitely raise it. it is better to pull the band aid off now. >> it is going to come up. elizabeth warren has hinted a bit at this. i am always concerned about wall street's influence in politics which i think was a pretty direct jab at the close ties between clinton foundation and financial institutions. >> therefore it is an issue for the clinton campaign.

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east coast breaking cold records. west coast breaking warm ones. then again maybe it wouldn't be america if it wasn't completely divided into red states and blue states. are "bird man" and "boyhood" a way for hollywood to identify itself? plus, kim jong-un has wowed the world with a new haircut. that's next on "now."

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is that akin to asking them to be less american? how many of this year's best picture nominees did you see? "american sniper" may be the overwhelming favorite at the american box office but some say the race is between "birdman" and boyhood." those two films have a shot at saving hollywood's soul. they are films that make hollywood feel better about the big budget box office hits hit turns out. >> "gone with the wind," "titanic," "the graduate," "god

father," no father," father," no monsters or aliens. >> joining me now, my guests. it is great to have you all here. janet, what do you make of this idea that "birdman" and "boyhood" makes hollywood feel better about what they put out each year? >> i think it is kind of like the self-congratulatory kind of industry. we want to present glamour and down to earth americana. >> i guess i wonder is it wrong for us to shun the commercial movies. there's an artistic argument to be made but there's the

philosophical argument about whether these huge movies -- "american sniper" has made $309 million at the box office. it is a huge movie. should it be considered more seriously? >> there was a point at which -- this is what bill maher was trying to say. there was a point where these things diverged for american cinema. at a certain point, we said we're going to make money over here and we're going to put artistic expression over here. that's not what the industry was for. >> i'm not really about this, although it is filling my bank account. the other thing remarkable about "birdman" and "boyhood,"" is it

has been a long time since a movie won an oscar about making movies. >> i really don't -- i consider myself -- i'm the real birdman in many ways. >> you are the true birdman. do you think there's something involved? does it harm hollywood's reputation as being totally self-absorbed for hollywood to keep nominating and giving the honor to movies about movie people? >> look, they lose no matter which way they go. no matter what they can't win. the ironic thing from what i have heard is that every one of them, the independent artistic ones and the big budget ones are all overrated. >> that's entirely possible.

moving on to another sort of philosophical question. quote, i feel a sudden clear focus and perspective. there is to time for anything inessential. i must focus on myself my work and my friends. i shall no longer look at news hour every night. i shall no longer pay any attention to politics or arguments about global warming. jake, you are on the verge of a relaunch of the wonderful new "new york times magazine." as someone who is trying to put out a product that is thoughtful and newsy, what do you make of this idea that sachs' puts forward? >> it makes perfect sense. it does. i hope that the stories that we publish in the "the new york

times magazine" that couple of them are not worthy of disconnecting from if you only had three weeks to live. you would ruthlessly prioritize what you would take in. a lot of us would cut out the daily news. would you? >> i don't know. to jake's point, wanting to be more present among friends and family. andrew sullivan quit blogging for different reasons, but it is a self-preservation idea which i understand. but i don't know i would be comfortable giving the world to the future generations. i think part of the human struggle is feeling like you are part of the human struggle. >> at 81 there's this sense of i have done all this work already. there's this little tribe of people in my life that i want to take care of spend most of my time with. i read the piece and there was

such a gift in that. it is sad that he's dying, but we're all going to die. but at least there's a sense of warning. not you, alex. >> i'm not willing to go there yet. people have been dying forever, collin. in some ways this piece is incredibly hopeful. in the end, i was on earth. i have done these things. i have seen these people. i have fallen in love. >> i don't care about global warming. i just care about my friends. i hope you melt down. i won't be here to watch it. >> you did not read it as hopeful? >> i read it as a slap in the face to humanity. kidding. he's like bye bye, suckers. simplifying. >> the collin quinn interpretation of oliver sachs.

this collin i want to get your take on specifically. the nutrition panel is saying to the country we should consider sustainability and health broadly. one of the things that will make the earth not turn into a fiery apocalypse is to be more thoughtful about what we consume. do you feel we can tell americans to stop eating steaks and burgers? >> as someone who grew up in hawaii on a diet of spam, it is enough for me to give up meatless mondays. a new report from the modern

language association finds that americans are beginning to lose their love of foreign languages. at one point, this is not surprising to me at all and on the other it is deeply distressing. a lot of colleges have put their emphasis towards business management. part of it is the narrative nationally that the useful careers for today's students are ones in stem careers, which is good. but as a liberal arts person i will say there's something about knowing about the retsst of the world. >> the other thing i have no way of understanding is that learning sign language has increased 3,000%. why is that? >> german is down 21%. french is down 13%. >> i love that they are down like stocks. >> chinese is up 110%. korean is up 208%.

sign language is up 3,100%. >> i don't get that. >> as someone who studied chinese, i was drafted into a chinese language program at a young age. if chinese is up 110% that maybe means like 50 more people are taking chinese. korean does anyone have an idea about why that could be? popularity changing population? >> rossetta stone is horrible. it doesn't work. >> what were the languages? >> arabic, chinese. last one, speaking of korean north korean leader kim jong-un's new haircut has set the internet aflame.

it is being described as a higher sculpted top accessorized with chiselled eyebrows. >> it is like the whole idea of his eyebrows are on fire. they framed it as new york fashion week. new york fashion week influenced him. i'm always trying to bring people to the big hair party. >> i think it is an incredible haircut. we have kim jong-un with this haircut. there's president obama with it. i don't think it looks bad. i wanted to see what i look like with it. that's someone from "the jersey shore." could you please take that down immediately? >> do we know what happened to his barber? >> that's a very good question.

but things happen in north korea that don't happen elsewhere in the world. if i see you with chiselled eyebrows, would i be surprised? >> isn't threading the eyebrows the same look? >> i can't answer that. i'm going to tell you that threading your eyebrows is not the same as chiselling. >> something to chisel on during the break. i encourage everybody to check out the new redesigned "new york times magazine." that is heartening for people in media, especially print media. you can check janet's show. it is so popular. you guys, that was awesome.

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we're going to mars or at least that's the plan from private space exploration company mars one. from that list 24 will be selected to live on mars for the rest of their lives with the first four participants leaving earth in 2024. the cost of that mission a cool $6 billion.

a reality show will start as early this fall. joining me now are two of the mars finalists. with us also is retired nasa astronaut the great captain mark kelly. leelah, let me start with you first. how did your family react when you first declared your intention here? >> how did my family react? >> yeah. >> i'm afraid there wasn't a huge reaction. oh that's layla. >> what about you? >> same thing. when you talk the same way since you've been a kid, it's just peter talking, right? >> captain kelly, i would assume space exploration is something

people hold on to and dream from an early age, but once it becomes a practical reality the discussions that one has with one's family, i would assume they are fairly difficult conversations in some ways. >> they can be. i've had that discussion with my wife and with my children before i have launched on four space shuttle missions. it can be a difficult thing to talk about because there are certainly risks involved. when we send people to mars for the first time i think the risk goes up probably by an order of magnitude. it's going to be a very difficult challenge to send people to mars to land them successfully, to have them live there for an extended period of time. so i commend peter and layla for their enthusiasm for exploration. >> the m.i.t. research simulation of the mars one plan says the first death would occur

68 days into the mission. when you hear statistics like that does that freak you out? >> first of all, the m.i.t. paper was really well done. it said if you didn't adjust for the excessive oxygen the first death can occur in the first 68 days. no. the only thing that scares me is we will not go to mars or off the planet but we take risks every day and i think this risk is worth it. >> peter, do you concern yourself with the effects of space travel on your body. >> sure. absolutely. the instinct of survival is something that we all possess. i'm not a stupid person in that aspect. i also want to survive. the part that's really important is all about risk redux factor. there are a lot of people behind this mission that are putting a lot of emphasis into making the mission safe. i'm not saying it is without

risk, but that is a risk that i embrace. quite frankly, i'm thrilled about it. just like mark took risks, i'm prepared to take those risks. >> kelly tell us a little bit about the stresses on the human body. tell us a little bit firsthand of what it's like. >> so there's a lot of physiology issues we have to deal with here. on mars the biggest one is going to be the effect of radiation. my brother laurgegnches in about a month. he's my twin brother. they're going to do studies on us. a mission to mars if you want to stay for an extended period of time the radiation issue is going to be substantial. we don't understand it yet. that's why we need to do continued research in this area.

hopefully, i really believe the person that is going to walk on mars for the first time is alive today. it's an exciting point in exploration, but there is a lot to learn. >> peter, do you think this is scaleable? if we talk about the future of human civilization is mars a viable option for a big population. >> sure. i believe it is scaleable over time. technology is progressing. people become smarter, but at the same time people are people. they're going to lose bone mass at a certain level. kidney stones are a factor. radiation, it's a killer to say the least. is it scaleable? i think time will tell. as technology and material sciences move forward and also some of the probes we have put out there on the surface of the planet that are also orbiting other parts of the planet we're going to gain a better perspective of what will be possible and what will be

scaleable. >> you all are much braver than i. thank you and in the words of dr. spock, live long and prosper. good evening americans, and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. walmart gets an "a" for effort, but walmart's pay raise won't roll back income inequality. >> this company as you probably know has always been a people business. >> the move comes after years of protests. >> it is likely walmart and other companies are increasing wages because they have to. later, ron imanemmanuel faces tough head winds in the chicago mayor