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proving to be the energizer bunny of controversy. he hasn't stopped talking about president obama, what he is saying now. that is ahead. also pressure is on this weekend for chris christie to decide whether he's going to go ahead and run for president. if it's not too late for him to do that now. new reporting suggests he may already be missing out. details on that coming up as well. and also president obama weighing in on how he thinks democrats can win in 2016. a message he believes democratic candidates should use if they're going to keep the white house after he leaves the white house. all of that much more again, a very busy saturday morning in just this hour of our show. but wee begin with that breaking news the surprise visit to afghanistan by the new secretary of defense, ash carter. carter just wrapping up a joint press conference with the afghan president in kabul. and the headline out of that gathering is that carter's saying that he and president obama are weighing an extension

of the u.s. troop presence in afghanistan. >> president obama is considering a number of options to reinforce our support for the president's security strategy including possible changes to the time line for our drawdown of u.s. troops. >> it's not just the u.s. presence in afghanistan that's getting a second look right now. on thursday pentagon announcing a battle plan to retake mosul from isis. the second largest city in iraq. a plan to retake that. that would involve potentially u.s. ground forces. here's what secretary carter had to say about that in afghanistan just a little while ago. >> of course i'm open. i'm always open to advice from our military commanders about what the best way to achieve success is. >> as all of this plays out around the world, there are also very real concerns here in the united states this morning about fighting the threat of terrorism on our shores. another shutdown is looming. this one that would eliminate homeland security funding. funding for that cabinet

department. the deadline to keep the department of homeland security open is this coming friday. that means six days for congress to act before that clock and that money that comes with it runs out. many moving parts to get to on these stories this morning. let's go first to nbc's kristen welker who joins us live from the white house. so kristen, this surprise visit by the new defense secretary to afghanistan. what is the goal the administration's hoping to get out of this? >> reporter: look, it's significant. i think the fact that the newly minted defense secretary, ash carter, made afghanistan his first trip underscores a couple things. steve, first of all, the fact that the united states support only is not only feeling more optimistic about the future of afghanistan but also the fact that the u.s. has a much closer partnership with the new afghan government than it did with the former government of president hamid karzai. secretary carter said today that this more hopeful outlook is one of the key reasons that the obama administration and the president is considering slowing down its troop withdrawal.

the president is in discussions, discussing a range of options with top officials, and he's going to make that a focus of his meeting with the afghan president who's scheduled to visit the white house next month. now, the obama administration believes the new unity government, which is led by ghani, has opened new possibilities not only on the political front but in terms of security on the ground. just as a reminder steve, about where we stand in terms of troop levels, the current plan is to cut troop levels in half by the end of this year and then to get that number to zero by 2016 and there are currently about 10,000 u.s. troops serving in afghanistan. now, president ghani, as you heard secretary carter say, is addvocateing for a slower troop withdrawal to help afghan forces who are still struggling to combat the taliban there. now, the president is having discussions about everything from the pace of the troop withdrawal to also the pace of base closures there. it's been 30 years since u.s.

forces first invaded afghanistan. but of course, it remains a critical foreign policy prab particularly given the fact that you still have remnants of al qaeda there. also, steve, there's concern that isis could be thinking about expanding there. currently they're sort of focused in iraq and syria, but there's some deep concerns that they could be looking at afghanistan as its next front. so a lot to unpack but certainly significant that secretary carter made afghanistan his first stop. steve? >> some interesting reporting especially about the potential for afghanistan with isis. thank you for that report from the white house. appreciate that. u.s. troops have been out of iraq longer than they've been out of afghanistan now. but as we mentioned, according to pentagon officials, they could soon be heading back. on thursday the u.s. central command official revealing to reporters a new plan for a massive assault against isis in iraq. a battle to retake that country's second largest city this spring as soon as six weeks from now. isis has controlled the city of mosul since its rapid expansion across iraq last summer.

american forces are now training iraqi troops for battle. u.s. forces will lead the air campaign that's being telegraphed this week. officials are leaving open the possibility that u.s. ground forces might also take part. yesterday senators john mccain and lindsey graham sent a letter to the white house blasting the administration for unveiling their battle plans. if not the substance of what they're planning to do. quoting from their letter these disclosures not only risk the success of our mission but could also cost the lives of u.s. iraqi and coalition forces. that from senators john mccain and lindsey graham. here to discuss the newest effort to beat back isis we have michael kay, he's a retired royal air force officer. michael, thanks for being here. you can take us through this better than anybody. here's the map. you see mosul here second largest city. what is it that we're talking about doing right now to take back that city? >> yeah, i think it's absolutely key. first have a look at the sort of geopolitical environment. we're talking about these 25,000

iraqi forces but it's not just iraqi forces on the ground in this region. who have we got? this is the kurdish region of iraq. 110,000 peshmerga forces occupy this area. they will be absolutely key in the fight to retake mosul. who else have we got? we've got these popularist mobilization forces. they're shia-backed forces all coming in from iran. up to 100,000 expected to be in this region. >> these are militia forces? >> yes. and these basically came about during saddam hussein's reign. exiled iraqi shia formed the bader organization existed in iran to begin with but during the fall in 2003 that's when they merged and came into iraq. and then we've got in baghdad, we've got the iraqi forces. 45,000 at the moment. and then you've got the ministry of interior forces around

35,000. and then there's a $1.6 billion u.s. train and equip program that's going on at the moment which will add another 45,000 iraqi forces. so that's the geopolitical environment at the moment. and obviously we've got the islamic state in syria and it's the islamic state last june 2,000 fighters that came into mosul, took the iraqi forces by surprise. the iraqi forces capitulated, and now we see mosul under siege by isis. >> right. and that raises a couple questions here. so last summer this iraqi army was not up to the job. it was not ready to face isis. there's been more training from the u.s. since then. they're telegraphing this now. is there reason to believe the iraqi army is better positioned now to do what it couldn't do a year ago? >> well, i think it's a great question. i think the new government is absolutely key to this. but what is really key to this is making sure that the governance aspects of what happens once mosul is taken back are sorted out. there needs to be conversations between the peshmerga, between the iraqi forces.

there needs to be acquiescence of some form of existence in mosul once isis is eradicated from there. and then there's a question as well. if we go to the next slide and have a look at actually mosul itself. >> we can do that. this is the city of mosul. >> right, this is the city of mosul. i think what's really important here is you've got baghdad 260 miles to the south, iran, 150 miles to the east and then raqqa, which is the self-proclaimed capital of isis. that's about 300 miles away. what's key here steve, if we can press on that is we've got syria over here. and there's a main supply route which comes something like that. from al raqqa. and this has been used to supply the fighters, the i.s. fighters in mosul. earlier on this week the kurdish fighters actually cut off that main supply route. and what we're starting to see here is do you remember petraeus's doctrine the shape, clear, hold, build. what's going on here is they're shaping the environment for this

attack. the absolute important key thing about attacking mosul from iraqis' perspective and the western perspective is counterinsurgency warfare in an urban environment is probably one of the hardest things that a soldier can do. we've seen it in fallujah and afghanistan. it's really, really difficult. and then we've got to look at the clash rule. what happens when these airstrikes are going in? let's rewind to what president obama mentioned. he spoke about specific aspects to what the amf included. two which kill be key to this operation. special forces. special forces will be used to isolate mosul on the key lines of communication coming out. you'll have snipers, you'll have people positioned around the area that will be taking off. those islamic state militants that are actually isolating mosul. and then there's the joint terminal air controllers, the forward air controllers. these will be absolutely key. and they'll embed those with the peshmerga and iraqi forces. and that will allow people on

the ground to talk to these superior air forces of the coalition and actually get the precision munitions in on various aspects because there are pockets. this warfare is all about pockets in an urban sprawl. it's hard to know who's where and when. >> very quickly, though just on this issue of telegraphing this ahead of time announcing hey, we're going to do this maybe in six week is that a good idea? >> look, there's two ways of looking at it. you're telegraphing to the isis militants in there, this is what we're about to do. we're coming to get you. so it's kind of like a propaganda campaign if you like. there isn't going to be anything like any serious data any intelligence. they're not going to let any of that go timings, who the forces are, where the forces are going, the size of the forces. that's the keep it that we need to keep wraps on and i think the pentagon will keep very close wraps on that. it will probably be a night raid because of the use of night-vision goggles. and then we've got the predators up ahead with the intelligence.

i think telegraphing it isn't necessarily giving the game away because you haven't got the specifics involved but it could be a good campaign to sort of let isis know that we're not messing around here. >> they've certainly delivered some kind of a message this week. michael kay, thank you. here in the u.s. there is concern about whether we will be able to keep our domestic security operations going for even another week. we are now officially just six days away from the department of homeland security running out of money. that is unless congress acts and congress returning from another recess in just a couple of days. with the hours ticking down we have yet to see any real indication that they are going to act in the coming week to avoid the dhs shutdown. not that its operations would fully shut down. we should be clear here. the essential functions of dhs would actually continue. that means agents have borders. agents at airports emergency response for things like natural disasters. that's about 200,000 people. they would be working without pay in the event of any shutdown. at the same time about 30,000

administrative employees would be furloughed. they would be told to stay home. they would not be paid. state and local law enforcement would also be hit, too, losing access to federal funding for staffing and for equipment. so what can we expect congress to do in the coming week? will they do anything and who will be blamed if there is a shutdown? joining me now to answer those questions, we have buzzfeed's washington bureau chief john stanton. john, bottom line, we're a week away from this deadline. what are the odds we are going to see a shutdown at the end of this week? >> pretty good. there's a chance that they might be able to fund some way forward with a short-term extension on funding before friday but i kind of doubt it at this point. it seems like both sides are pretty comfortable where they're going towards except for maybe a set of republicans who are looking at this entire train wreck trying to figure out how they got themselves into this situation. you know house republicans certainly don't seem to be in any kind of mood to make any sort of deals. and democrats, you know are looking at the polls.

they're looking at who's been blamed for shutdowns in the past and they're feeling like they don't have to do a whole lot. >> you mentioned the last government shutdown everyone remembers in 2013. republicans being blamed for that. there was new polling this week. this was a cnn/orc poll. who would you blame? by a 53/30 margin republicans in congress. what is the logic, john when you talk to republicans, particularly in the house, what is the logic in the face of polls for why it would be different this time? >> well i think part of what they're looking at is the fact that, you know dhs is not -- you know the parks service, for instance, right? if there's a shutdown involving dhs, it's not going to really affect your average american all that much. all of the things to keep us safe and secure they're going to continue to get done. dhs doesn't have a lot of you know sort of reach into your everyday life. i think they're thinking that a lot of people probably won't even notice that there's a shutdown of dhs going on. they also realize, i think,

particularly for their base voters and in these house districts where they have been redrawn to the point where most of the voters are just base voters. they want them to do this because they view what the president has done on immigration and on health care and other issues as executive overreach, and they want them to pick this fight with the white house. and so for members of the house, in particular this is not a bad situation for them to be in politically. >> as we say, the countdown is now on. congress coming back in a few days, and we'll see what. has as john stanton is telling us in the likely event that a shutdown occurs. thank you, john stanton, really appreciate that. still ahead in the show president obama delivers a fiery speech to leaders of his party. this just as they start to focus on who should replace him in 2016. details on that drama. plus how did rudy giuliani go from being a unifying national figure in the days after the 9/11 attacks to challenging the president's love of country? that story is next. stay with us. i make a lot of purchases for my business.

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today is the third day since rudy giuliani openly questioned whether president obama loves america. at an event for wisconsin governor scott walker. and this morning the fallout shows no signs of abating any time soon. this morning's "new york times" looks behind the scenes at his remarks this week including the detail that the former new york city mayor wasn't actually scheduled to speak at that event or even to attend it. also that giuliani wasn't aware there were reporters in the room when he began speaking. but since those comments came to light, giuliani has been unapologetic, even defiant telling the same "times" reporters on thursday that his remarks weren't racist because president obama's mother was white. and then saying this in an interview with fox news's megyn kelly. >> mr. mayor, do you want to apologize for your comments?

>> not at all. i want to repeat it. the reality is i -- from all that i can see of this president, all that i've heard of him, he apologizes for america. he criticizes america. >> but to say that he doesn't love america, i mean that he could view foreign policy as a democrat might view it and through a difference lens than you might see it you can understand the differences between you, but to condemn his patriotism, to question his love of america? >> i'm not condemning his patriotism. patriots can criticize. they're allowed to criticize. i believe his initial approach is to criticize this country and then afterwards to say a few nice things about us. i think that is a perfectly reasonable opinion. but the president, in his comment, if we look at all of his rhetoric has not displayed the kind of love of america, the kind of love of american exceptionalism, that other american presidents have displayed. i'm right about this. i have no doubt about it. i do not withdraw my words. >> giuliani then invoking the

controversy over obama's former chicago pastor jeremiah wright as another reason why he believes the president doesn't love america. the white house entering the fray late friday with some crocodile tears. >> many of you have been in the room when the president's delivered speeches where he's talked about his love for this country or how the united states is a force for good in the world. in fact it's the greatest force for good that the world has ever seen. and so i can -- you know we continue those examples. many of you have been in the room when these delivered remarks like that both in this country and around the world. more generally, i can tell you that it's sad to see when somebody who has attained a certain level of public stature and even admiration tarnishes that legacy so thoroughly. and the truth is i don't take any joy or vindication or satisfaction from that. i think really the only thing that i feel is i feel sorry for rudy giuliani today. >> and last night sean hannity,

giuliani inferring that he's acting presidential more than being presidential. >> he may love america. i don't know. in his own way. when i listen to his language i hear language of a man who is never talking about the greatness of america. so he's not a cheerleader for america. he's a critic. it's as if he were a movie critic as opposed to the guy who acted in the movie. >> all right. here now to talk about this we have msnbc contributor jonathan capehart, a columnist with "the washington post." also, ben dominic, senior fellow at the heartland institute, analyst joan walsh. msnbc contributor and professor at the university of texas's center for mexican-american studies. jonathan, let me start with you. obviously, extremely inflammatory the way that rudy giuliani brought this up this week, and that is sort of from a political standpoint, that's the beginning and the end of this.

it's tough to win an argument when you start with does the president love the country or not. but when he starts defending himself and he starts trying to explain what he's saying he's saying basically it seems at the heart of this that he thinks president obama thinks about, looks at and talks about america in a way that is different than past presidents reagan clinton, carter he names there. do you think there's anything to that, the idea that he talks and thinks about america differently than previous presidents have? >> no. rudy giuliani is lying. and anyone who's been paying attention to barack obama since he wowed the democratic convention in 2004 knows how much the president loves this country. from the moment he ripped into our consciousness during that speech, he made it clear that only in america could his story be possible. he's been saying that since he's been president. so rudy giuliani is trying to run in quickstand in this. and the thing that i find most disturbing is that no republican of any stature whatsoever has come forth and condemned him or

at least pushed rudy giuliani to either get off the airwaves with this line of argument or force him to apologize. you know rudy giuliani is mentioning reverend jeremiah wright. president obama, when he was a candidate, had to give an entire speech on race because of something his former pastor said in a sermon where he wasn't even present. so for rudy giuliani to continue to go down this road i think tarnishes him. i think josh earnest is absolutely right. it's sad and pa tekt but it also tarnishes the republican party even further. >> let me ask you, ben, about that. what's your reaction to what he said, to how republicans have handled it? >> no no. >> speak for all of that. >> so the other day, steve, i was watching one of the better musicals about the 1888 election, the one and only genuine original family band. >> there's more than one? >> yes. and you have the grover cleveland backers on one side and the beennjamin harrison backers on the other side and it's very similar agendas.

when one side says it it's dismissed as politics. when the other side says it it's oh, no, that's statesmanship. i think when you see both parties come to this issue, they're just espouseing views that's most conforming to their vision of what america ought to be. president obama ran explicitly on transforming the way the country was viewed in the world because of those aspects of america that he wanted to be appreciated. giuliani has his vision of america that i think is very different from the president's. >> when the other one says the other one doesn't love -- >> i heard mitt romney didn't love the country because of his investments and. >> i don't think anybody said that about mitt romney. i think it's different when giuliani goes around and says this president doesn't love america. first of all, he's uttering the president. we've seen this since he became president. second of all, i find it amazing, as jonathan does that no one has stepped up -- this guy is becoming -- he's a donald trump -- can i just finish? i didn't jump in on you.

he's the donald trump of this cycle. and now scott walker has taken a page from mitt romney, and he won't -- his language is almost identical. i don't condemn or condone. they can defend themselves. >> scott walker wouldn't really weigh in on this anyway. we did hear mar roeco rubio say there's no doubt president obama loves the country. there's been some nuance. >> rudy giuliani is digging his own grave. he has cast himself in the palin, trump wing of the republican party. there's that one moment when we thought hey, maybe he's a different type of republican. he's progressive on social issues. but you know what? he has become irrelevant. no one has to come out in his defense because he is putting himself away. >> has he changed, ben? giuliani who was mayor of new york i remember he was sort of the liberal giuliani the national republicans didn't like him. this seems more like -- it seems he's farther to the right than we've ever really seen. >> i don't think of it something

on an ideological spectrum. i think he has an opinion that's different than a lot of other people. i do think there's ways that politicians love the country in different ways. i think hillary clinton maybe thinks about america in different ways than the president does. now, that doesn't mean that he doesn't necessarily love it any less than she does. i just think that they think about its history in different ways. >> certainly if you're going to talk about it as a politician though, saying that the other one doesn't love it boy, that gets you into trouble. jonathan jonathan, i'll give you the last word on this one. >> well, you know, look. i hope at some point someone other than marco rubio will come forward and say that can we all just start at the baseline that everyone who's sitting in the -- the person sitting in the oval office and all the people who are going to run to replace him in 2016 2017 all love the country. and then let's take the discussion and the argument from there. to say that the president doesn't love the country and then to defend yourself saying that what i said wasn't racist because he was raised by white grandparents and had a white mother only compounds the

offense that rudy giuliani has made. >> "the washington post's" jonathan capehart appreciate it. >> thanks, steve. still to come today, want to know how cold it's been without having to actually go outside? that's nbc meteorologist dylan dreyer in upstate new york. she's standing next to a geyser that turned into a frozen skyscraper skyscraper. we'll go live to ohio where snow is adding to people's misery this weekend. and next your former first lady and you're heading to prison, why you may be better off getting a longer sentence. we'll explain. that's next. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor.... can get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today. hey, gracie... you know how

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mcdonnell sentenced to a year and a day in prison. now, the significance of this instead of getting aover, getting that extra day put on there, with the extra day, the if the sentence is over a year you're eligible to get out early on good behavior. if it's a year and a day, you might be there for a lot less. so actually this is a good -- this is a good development, i guess, for maureen mcdonnell. >> well as a virginiaen, you know, it's been amazing to see this whole story play out. bob mcdonnell is obviously someone who was close to having some maybe presidential aspirations, was viewed as maybe one of the future leaders of his party. and it's been just insane to watch this case play out up close and all of the craziness with the gifts and everything. >> you're right, 2012 he was on the vp list. people were saying if romney doesn't win in 2012 here's your guy for 2016. >> he was walking around that convention like he was going to be there -- >> gave one of the better state of the union response speeches, too. >> yeah. >> one of the only ones that wasn't a disaster i guess. here's another headline. this from nbc news. does the cold stop crime?

it says the country -- it says yes, apparently it looks that way. police calls are down in memphis. major crimes have plunged in boston. boston with about 20 feet of snow right now. new york city just celebrated 12 days in a row without a murderer the longest stretch since 1994. research from 30 years of data shows that crime decreases as everything goes down when the temperature drops. right? nobody wants to leave or do anything. >> i don't know how you guys function. in texas this week there was a cold snap. the high was 40 degrees. and i didn't want to get out of bed. how do people function? >> and yet you came to new york. >> and yet i came to new york. that's how much i love you, steve, okay? >> that is very nice of you. we turned the heat up a little bit for you. one more headline this morning. this is from fox sports. this is joe walsh, the baseball thing might be interesting. this mlb and union announce a pace of play rules change for next year. so hitters have to keep a foot in the batter's box between pitches. pitching changes are timed. managers have to make instant replay challenges from the dugout. joan, the goal here is to cut

the average length of a game from three hours and eight minutes to what three hours and two minutes? >> exactly. they tried this -- i'm agnostic about it. i don't think it's a terrible idea, but they tried this in the arizona fall league. it cut an average of ten minutes from games. so they go from you know a little over three to a little under three. that's still really long. i like that -- i like the replay. i think we saw a lot of bad calls overturned. but there is that element of stalling and waiting for your guy, you know and we had shawn dunston, san francisco giants were successful. we knew who the guy was and what he was doing. and the manager, bruce bochy, is out there killing time with the umps talking to his coaches, waiting for that guy to watch it maybe the tenth time and say okay, make the challenge, or don't. that did burn up the time. >> and this is why i could never -- of all the major sports, baseball is at the bottom of my list. you go through a 3 1/2-hour game, and guess what? there's 161 more. if you want me do a 3 1/2-hour

game, give me the nfl. 161 more of these, folks. >> you need to be alone with your thoughts and take in the big picture more, steve. we're going to a game. >> okay. we'll go to one game. shrink the season to one month. that's my goal. still ahead this morning, why one congresswoman says she is giving up on washington. see if that's the start of a trend. we will talk to her later on. and next blinded by the light. why chris christie's confidence is reportedly getting him in trouble for a presidential bid. stay with us. the future of the market is never clear. but at t. rowe price we can help guide your retirement savings. our experience is one reason 100% of our retirement funds beat their 10-year lipper averages. so wherever your long-term goals take you we can help you feel confident. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.

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this could end up being the weekend that ended chris christie's bid for the white house. christie appears to be losing the all-important battle for early money. "new york times" detailing many complaints of republican donors and strategist saying christie doesn't return their phone calls, he arrives late for meetings. christie, they report quote, is

convinced that his raw talent and charisma can overcome the political obstacles in his way. meanwhile, perry bacon jr. getting word of the governor's donor troubles last week. "washington post" reporting another report of a prominent to jeb bush. he's a longtime ally of the bush family. amid all of this came word this week that new york jets' owner woody johnson, he's viewed as a kingmaker for potential republican nominees that he is also going to be backing jeb bush. and he attended a fund-raiser, in fact, for bush on wednesday night. jeb bush appeared to make the first move toward a white house bid last month. the clock started ticking for everyone else to get busy and cultivate the same pool of top donors. but is christie getting squeezed out before this race officially starts? robert costa, national political reporter with "the washington post" joins the panel this morning from washington. robert you had interesting

reporting this week on the struggles christie is facing now. here we are, in the middle of the invisible primary. these defections from his home state, donors having questions about him. how serious trouble is christie in right now in this process? >> it's early in the process, so i think governor christie could certainly come back. but you're a political junkie for new jersey. you know when tom kean sr., former governor state senator, christie's 2009 campaign chairman when their rueeluctance to sign up that spells trouble for christie. >> the reporting this week -- and this gets to something i have noticed about christie you know, this is a guy who is supreme confidence in his own skills to basically walk into any situation and change that situation to his favor. and i have seen him. in his defense, i've seen him go into hostile crowds in new jersey, college students during the iraq war and 45 minutes later these students loved him. i can see how he starts to believe that. is there more of a plan of saying the power of my personality is going to get me through this? >> he really believes his skills

as a retail politician will enable him to eventually right with polls and voters. also the association network that he capitalized on last year raised millions and millions of dollars. not all of those donors will be with him. he thinks he's established enough of a national donor network. and you add that to his personality. he thinks bush may stumble. his people think bush may stumble, and they're not so sure if walker is going to continue to rocket ahead. >> we should say this was a response to all this reporting from christie's -- one of his top advisers. telling "the new york times," the fact is there is not a finite pool of donors. this on the word of new jersey donors may be defecting. also there was this an interesting tweet from "new york times" columnist saying the best time to run for president is almost always when lots of people are urging you to run for president, not the cycle after. basically making the case there that christie had his moment. >> he missed his moment.

>> in 2011. >> and this wasn't it. >> this seems like delusional christie, there's not a finite pool of donors. there's lots of rich people. he needs one to get behind him and he could go far. tom keene sounding very much like he's going to go with bush. i know he said he's neutral right now. you know i think that his strength was that he was going to -- he was going to walk away with the wall street donors that he was right here a candidate of wall street he was the moderate. and when you have jeb bush rolling these people up so early, it really leaves very little room for him. >> but the republican primary voters, i've never bought the story that they're going to fall in love with chris christie. you bring that new jersey/tony soprano character down to the south, and it doesn't stick. i believe he never had a shot in the first place regardless of how much money he would have gotten. >> the path for christie was always narrow. unlike rudy giuliani who had

sort of a similar experience, i think that the problem for him was always that he is so much about personality, it's the real thing that he has going for him as opposed to a record that he can point to as opposed to being able to ensure that he's going to appoint conservative judges or something like that to, you know help on some of his other weak points. he really only had that wall street money in terms of his backing, and i think that really creates a problem. >> what happens now? jeb bush has this huge behind-the-scenes push for money. when do we see a public move from christie? does he have an announcement of candidacy? is anything like that coming on the horizon? >> they make a great point, that for a lot of time christie's personality has been at the core of his political persona. but watch what christie does on tuesday. he has a major budget address in trenton trenton. he's going to return to pension reform. back in 2010 this is what made chris christie all these battles with the teachers over the pensions and for public employees. he's going to try to come back

to that issue, make it his policy focus ahead of 2016. >> interesting you mention that because that's the other bit of news we should squeeze in. "the wall street journal" saying christie ramping up his activity back in new jersey. this is a governor who spent a lot of time out of the state. you say he has that speech tuesday. now a bunch of town halls. interesting potential sort of strategic shift. "the washington post's" robert costa, appreciate you joining us. thank you for that. still ahead on the show the one word president obama isn't saying about our fight against isis and that is drawing criticism from the right and a little bit on the left too. and next, another week, another major winter storm. we're going to go live to ohio just bearing the brunt of the storm as we speak. ♪ know your financial plan won't keep you up at night. know you have insights from top investment strategists to help set your mind at ease. know that planning for retirement

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forecasters say another arctic blast early next week is going to keep temperatures 15 to 30 degrees below normal. and that could last -- get ready for this -- all of next week. and in ohio, parts of that state could get up to eight inches of snow by the end of today. nbc's kerry sanders joins us live from perrysburg ohio near toledo. kerry, snow, freezing temperatures, no end in sight. good morning to you. >> reporter: it's miserable. it's snowing but not that heavily. it's about 18 degrees which is of course, cold, but think about this. yesterday morning, it was negative 12. so this is actually pretty good. the only down side of course is that we're not going to get above 32 in this area according to forecasters, until next month. so it's going to be freezing. so the only thing that they can do is make lemonade when you get lemons. and so there's the international ice carving association

competition taking place here. and here we see -- i'll step out of the way -- here we see neptune, or i should say frozen neptune from the frozen sea. really normally a lot of people would come out and enjoy watching these guys make these sculptures. this began as a 300-block piece of ice, and boom there it is. and there's going to be some more carving today. but very few spectators. but i can tell you one thing. the guys who are doing the carving say these cold temperatures make their artwork that much better. >> i was going to say, i know nothing about the world of ice sculpting, but if you are an ice sculptor and temperatures will be freezing for the next month, your work's going to be preserved. you must be pretty happy. that's got to be a sad job when you're the ice sculptor. >> reporter: these things will eventually melt but they'll be there for a while, absolutely. one upside is their artwork is not going to melt away that quickly. >> nothing sadder than melting artwork. anyway, thanks to you, kerry sanders, for that report.

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so america's coming back. we have risen from recession. we have the capacity to write our own future. we're better positioned than any other nation on earth. >> safe to say that president obama was in a pretty good mood when he spoke at yesterday's dnc winter meeting in washington. easy to be in a good mood when your approval rating is on the rise, the economy has created more than 1 million jobs in the past three months. the president accusing republicans of jumping on his populous message now that things are looking up a bit. for or month that and other things the president had to say in his speech i'm joined by former vermont governor howard dean, former chairman of the dnc.

governor dean thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. it's interesting to listen to the president's speech yesterday in the context of this is the start of a presidential campaign to pick his successor, seems to be in a way sort of laying out the terms that he wants the 2016 debate to be contested over. >> yeah i think he's also protecting a legacy which is going to turn out not to be too bad at all. but the truth is, he's going to be eclipsed as soon as the campaign really gets going in earnest. and that's probably just as well. not because his numbers are going to be bad, because i think they're going to continue to get better, but because this is really about the new president, not about the president we've had. so i think this is sort of a booster speech. i think it's a good thing that he gave that speech. but i'm hoping that this election is not going to be about the past. it's going to be about the future. and i think that's what -- my suspicion is that's what hillary clinton is hoping too. >> i wonder from your standpoint, too, the democratic side looking at 2016 the republican line against the obama administration for most of his presidency has been about the economy, for understandable

reasons. but now that there are signs that the economy is improving a little bit and at the same time there are more concerns i think, now about the president's leadership on foreign policy at least if you look at the polls on there. is there a concern among democrats that maybe this becomes a foreign policy election in a way that hurts them? >> it hope it does become a foreign policy election. there's nobody more capable in this country than hillary clinton in terms of foreign policy. so if it's a foreign policy election, we win. now, it's not going to be a foreign policy election. the truth is elections are almost never foreign policies. the iraq war did have a figure effect on george w. bush's presidency. vietnam had an enormous effect both on nixon and johnson. but generally speaking wars and foreign policy do not play very significant role in american elections at all. and, you know if the republicans want to make this about foreign policy, bring it on. because they don't have a single candidate that knows very much about foreign policy. and we have the person who probably knows more about foreign policy than anybody else

in america who is qualified to run for president. >> well let me bring the panel in on this. alluding maybe to hillary clinton. i think that might be who he's talking about right there. that's the interesting subtext of this meeting. the democrats gathering and traditionally this would be the part where the future of potential candidates for 2016 and all their talking, this does seem like a party that's decided on hillary clinton. the big debate that emerged from the stories i'm reading, hillary supporters who say they don't want her to have an opponent and the supporters who say we do want her to have an opponent. >> right, the draft warren people, to be fair. but no and elizabeth warren is not running, as we discussed many times before. it looks like it will be hillary. whether people want her to have an opponent or not. >> so what kind of message do you think -- is it going to be a continuity message, we improve this country, this administration that i was part of improve this country over eight years and i want to continue it? or is it separating herself from that? >> i think she's got to do both. i think she can't separate

herself too much and shouldn't be separating herself in any kind of coded way because then that pushs away the democratic base and the african-american base which still has some hurt feelings over some of her behavior in 2008. so she's got to be careful. there's not much to run away from. nonetheless, it's got to be about the future. it's got to be about a vision of the future. and figuring out what is going on with income inequality. the growth is not reading to rising incomes, and it hasn't for a long time. >> quick thought. >> it's not so much about running away from a legacy but running to this populous message because i think many democrats are nervous that she isn't left of center enough. that's why i think this speech was so important. it set up the context for her to be seen in that light. and you add in the recent meeting with elizabeth warren. >> i would agree with governor dean that it would be good for hillary have this be a foreign policy election. i think that the real problem is her ability to connect on issues of wage stagnation and the problems that people have had under this economy for so many years. there are worries related to the

future about that. i think that's really the disconnect that may be a upon for her otherwise. >> my thanks as always former dnc chairman, former governor howard dean. another hour of news and politics straight ahead. stay with us. i have the worst cold with this runny nose. i better take something. dayquill cold and flu doesn't treat your runny nose. seriously? alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms plus your runny nose. oh, what a relief it is.

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california. she says it's too hard to get anything done in the gridlock of washington. she's here to discuss her plans. maybe the start of a trend there with other members of congress. we'll talk about that. also some candidates for president are preparing for the physical rigor of running for the highest office in the land by watching what they eat. chef rocco despirito will be here to talk about how to eat healthy. how can you actually pull that off. we want to begin with jeb bush's -- not with his protein-packed diet but with the meat of what he is now saying about foreign policy. a speech in chicago on wednesday that gave us our first look at what bush would hope to accomplish diplomatically as president. a speech in which the former florida governor tried to play up his foreign policy chops by playing down his family ties. >> i love my brother. i love my dad. i actually love my mother as well. i hope that's okay. and i admire their service to the nation and the difficult

decisions that they had to make. but i'm my own man, and my views are shaped by my own thinking and my own experiences. >> jeb bush's platform also likely to be shaped by the thinking and experiences of his growing team of foreign policy advisers. for that the governor appears to be in line with his father and his brother. aides telling nbc news this week that jeb bush is consulting with 20 veterans of past bush administrations. among them his father's secretary of state, james baker, also paul wolfowitz of iraq policy. politico naming secretary of state condoleezza rice as another adviser. this team put together by advisers that served both his father and brother. candidates draw heavily from previous administrations of the same party. in this case the administrations just happen to be all bush administrations. from the speech itself, it seems that bush is prepared to have the united states play a greater role in current conflicts in places like ukraine and syria than it already is.

>> i have doubts whether this administration believes american power is such a force. under this administration we are inconsistent and indecisive. we have lost the trust and confidence of our friends. we definitely no longer inspire fear in our enemies. the great irony of the obama presidency is this. someone who came to office promising greater engagement with the world has left america less influential in the world. >> and msnbc political correspondent casey hunt was in chicago with governor bush for that speech. she joins us now from washington. thanks for taking a few minutes. let me ask you in terms of the goal here we heard in the run-up to the speech a lot of emphasis was on that line he was going to use that i am my own man, trying to separate himself from his brother, from his father especially his brother, though, given his brother's poll numbers. when you look at the content of this speech a very sort of hawkish foreign policy approach in a lot of ways mirrors what

his brother would have said ten years ago. did he succeed in separating himself? >> i mean, steve, i think that while those headlines were as you say, i am my own man and all about how bush is trying to differentiate himself, it was very difficult to tell on the merits where it was that he would break with his brother's foreign policy or with his father. i think that you're right, that the larger concern is you know back in 2008 president obama essentially came to office because of the deep opposition to this policy. and that list of advisers i will say that the bush camp points out that there are no former romney or mccain advisers available to consult with on matters of foreign policy. but i think it will be a question of who he listens to ultimately. i mean that list really runs the gamut from paul wolfowitz on the one hand to former secretary of state james baker on the other. and that's a pretty wide range. and he isn't likely to be listening to all of those people at the same time. but this list also in many

ways, it lines up with that sort of shock and awe policy that the whole of the bush campaign is running at the moment. i mean they are trying to really push back head off these potentially a dozen other candidates. and this list is sort of a comprehensive one of the current foreign policy establishment. and many of the other camps viewed the release of this list that way. >> yeah, i mean if you want to find a foreign policy veteran from a republican administration not headed by a bush you've got to go back more than a quarter century at this point. maybe cut him a little slack there. let me also ask you about some of the thinking -- we were talking about this a little last hour -- republicans in general when it comes to the role of foreign policy in the 2016 campaign, in their attempts to say we've got to change parties in the white house, what are they thinking on that right now? >> steve, i think that this is becoming a central place to be in opposition to president obama. and i think it highlights two things. first, this idea that the base is still very much opposed to the president, very much energized by opposing the president.

but also think about who they're likely going to face in 2016. and that's hillary clinton. p and so this is really the place where if they can go after and define the president's foreign policy as something that just the base is completely opposed to, they can tie her in with that. it's sort of -- it becomes a one, two punch, if you will. and i think you're starting to hear this very hawkish line from almost every candidate on the republican side. the exception, of course being senator rand paul who may draw the sort of libertarian, anti-war, anti-boots on the ground sort of more isolationist corner of the republican party. but he's sort of out there by himself right now. you have marco rubio focusing on foreign policy talking a lot about this. obviously jeb bush. so i think that they're all sort of in the same line here on this issue at this point. >> all right. msnbc's kasie hunt. for more on governor bush's speech the panel is back with us, ben with "the federalist"

and the heartland institute, john walsh with salon and contributor victoria defrancesco soto, a professor at the university of texas. i want to start on this attempt to be his own man, to be different from his brother, and at the same time, dealing with the question of iraq. and that came up specifically in a question and answer after the speech. i want to play that clip and then ask you guys about it. >> there were mistakes made in iraq for sure. using the intelligence capability that everybody embraced about weapons of mass destruction was not -- turns out not to be accurate. not creating an environment of security after the successful taking out of hussein was a mistake. because iraqis wanted security most -- you know, more than anything else. but my brother's administration through the surge, which was one of the most heroic acts of courage politically that any president's done because there was no support for this. and it was hugely successful.

and it created a stability that when the new president came in he could have built on to create fragile but more stable situation that would have not allowed for the void to be filled. >> so what i'm hearing there is an attempt to basically acknowledge hey, look my brother's administration made mistakes on this. they ultimately did a good thing, and then it was the obama administration that came in and really bungled it. is that a message that you can sell outside of the republican base? >> jeb bush has the unique challenge of running on the records of two other people whose name he shares. i think the reality is he is his own man. he's very different from the other bushes. he's an introvert and very detail oriented. i also think the american people are largely not going to consider him as his own man. they'll presume he shares the same views as his brother even if he doesn't. i think making arguments like this is fine but ultimately it may not matter as much if he

ends up going up against hillary where both of them are known quantities from the perspective of the american people. it's not like there are going to be sumss that will benefit or hurt one person more than the other. >> i guess that makes me wonder too, joan if it is a hillary/jeb bush thing, being judged by the husband in one case, the brother in the other case -- >> i think it's really different for hillary. she was our secretary of state. so she does have a record to run on, like it or not. now, i come from the progressive wing of the party, skeptical of military might. she was a hawk on libya and on syria. we'll see how much she talks about that. but i think it's going to be very hard to run, more hawkish than hillary, and yet be palatable to the american people and not be a warmonger that's going to promise to put boots on the ground and scare people. so i think they have a tough challenge with her. >> he was very uncomfortable during those remarks. i don't know if you noticed that. it wasn't until he got into the q&a that he lightened up a little bit. even then he was still really

nervous. however, this is his first go nationally at a major foreign policy speech. he is a very smart man, and he is going to get better. he is going to figure out how to walk both sides of the street with this. so i wouldn't dismiss jeb bush and i think a lot of folks say, well, he's just tied to the anchor of his brother. and his father. keep your eye on him. he is going to find a way to maneuver this. >> i do -- maybe ben, maybe you've heard some of this sort of in the conservative side or whatever, but is there an instatic at all among people who think hey, you know what conservatives who might say hey i kind of like jeb bush. i think he's his own man. i don't have a problem. also what you're saying the country's not going to see it that way. let's not go down this road when we've got nine other choices. >> i think the one thing that will be different is whether bush actually comes across as a bit more of a foreign policy realist than maybe some of the other people running. certainly marco rubio this week was kind of trolling jeb bush with comments that he's smart enough to lesh about foreign policy. as a senator, rubio sort of

thinks of this as an area that he owns. i think there is calculation going on like that among conservatives and there's skepticism about the way voters may view bush. you see the poll numbers of unapproval when it comes to his approach to isis that that may actually benefit the bushes. it may sort of put that in the rearview in a more positive way. >> that's the other thing i'm wondering about. you know there was this -- for really ten years in this country, post-iraq, i think there was this very broad shared view of -- like you're saying skepticism -- the idea of the u.s. intervening almost in any context. and now the polling numbers that i'm seeing, first of all, confidence in obama's strategy on isis there's a plurality who don't have that. but more to the point, you ask about boots on the ground against isis. we're now seeing over 60% of these people in these polls saying they want some level of boots on the ground. and that to me sounds like that's a considerable shift from five ten years ago. >> yeah it is. it is. and i don't think it's very realistic about what kind of boots on the ground it would require.

so, you know that's a shaky number. if boots went in if troops went in and things went bad, you'd go back to those anti-iraq. >> it suggests to me that maybe there is somebody like bush presenting him now in this context versus a couple years ago, people might be less resistant. >> he's not going to be prepared to do it right away so they can dream that it's going to help. >> remember the expression that his brother made. you know his brother was anti-nation building before he was for it, you know? and i think that that's -- that's really where republicans are. they're fine with using the american military to kill people who they think are bad guys. they're not fine with nation building. and i think that's really going to be the concern within the primary that jeb has to battle against. >> there are also economic concerns. so we're looking at are toen policy right now, but the tea party base really rose up in opposition to bush's spending. and as we were talking about earlier with chairman dean elections tend to be about domestic policy about bread and butter issues. and some of these tea party folks are going to say what

about all that spending? that's going to be one of the bigger problem areas for jeb bush. >> i love the point you're making. it completely dovetails with my point. it's true, the tea party didn't exist back then, but the republican base in 2000 made a clal clags, we're going to go with george w. because we want to win. that mean ifs he's going to move to the middle that's what we have to do to win. eight years later they said we have record low approval. >> a bigger challenge. zoo that's >> it's partly against obama, it's also against the idea of having another george w. bush. up next, is how we talk about terrorism just as important as we fight it? staying on message while staying in shape while you run for office. we'll get that from chef rocco despirito, so stay with us.

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no religion is responsible for terrorism. people are responsible for violence and terrorism. >> ours is a war not against a religion, not against the muslim faith, but ours is a war against individuals who absolutely hate what america stands for. >> and we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. >> our war is not against islam. or against faith. practiced by the muslim people. our war is a war against evil. >> president obama coming under some attack this week for his failure to link middle east terrorism directly to islam and not just from rudy giuliani. president bush before president obama making it clear that the u.s. is not at war with islam. speaking before a gathering at

the state department thursday. >> obviously, there is a complicated history between the middle east the west and no of us none of us, i think, should be immune from criticism in terms of specific policies but the notion that the west is at war with islam is an ugly lie. and all of us regardless of our faith, have a responsibility to reject it. >> but others contend that not talking about the extremists who can now be found within islam, radicals who say they are fighting in the name of islam, makes them all but impossible to fight. journalist graham wood causing a stir this week when he wrote about the fundamental religious ideas driving isis. how should we be talking about isis in the newest front in the fight against terrorism? joining me is james glassman who served as undersecretary of state for public affairs in the george w. bush administration. he's now visiting fellow at the

american enter surpriseprise institute. let me get you to weigh in on this question because i've heard it so many times this week the president not saying specifically islamic terrorism, islamic extremism, is he somehow showing that he's blind to the threat or unwilling to acknowledge the threat, do you think there's anything to that criticism? >> not very much. i mean you know one of my former state department colleagues said this is all groundhog day. i mean, we went through this in the bush administration. we had this debate many years ago. and we came down on the side of using the term "countering violent extremism," cve. i certainly understand what some people -- the objection of some people to what president obama is saying. but i think the most important thing is a level of understanding. we're not fighting islam, as president bush said, as president obama said.

what we are fighting is an ideology that's based on certain precepts and certain interpretations of islam. and unfortunately the english language is not very good at expressing that in a couple of words. what's really important, though is fighting the ideology. and that's what i wrote about in politico this week. and finally, i think after six years, president obama seems to be getting around to doing that. and that's what we need. we need a war of ideas. >> so i'm curious, what is it that you see him doing now that you haven't seen him doing in the last six years? >> well in substance, not a great deal but he did -- he just had a three-day conference focusing on cve. some of his language now points to an understanding of the importance of ideology. david cameron certainly understands that and has talked about it for quite a while now. he seems to be trying to invigorate a very small institution within the state

department. but really is there the will? is there the kind of drive from the president toward fighting a war of ideas? there certainly was during the bush administration. i don't see it now. and i'm kind of baffled by it. i actually have to say because this is an administration which, in its campaigning and in its policy-making, has been quite stilled at the arts of persuasion. >> let me bring the panel into this. on this domestic political debate we've been having about using the term islamic or not using the term -- "the "new york post" put a blindfold on him, is he blind to what's really going on here. is there a case to be made for why he should be doing that? >> i don't see it. and i have never heard anyone who's criticizing the president say what he's doing wrong or what he should be doing and would be doing if he used the term "islamic." it's not like he's going over there and oh he's bombing churches and synagogues because

he can't focus on islam. what would he -- what would this word get him? i know what it would cost him. >> where does it come from on the right? >> you know what? i disliked this when president bush did it and i dislike it when president obama does it. i think people bend over backwards as to how we're supposed to be talking about crazy homicidal lunatics trying to establish their own state and run everything from the middle east. i really don't care how we necessarily talk about them. just in the sense that i understand the context of you don't want to foment any anti-islamic action here domestically at home. i can understand that. but i think what that article was getting to and, you know the key line from my perspective is, you know imagine it david koresh had 8 million followers as opposed to you know the tiny groups of cults that you see in other places. from my perspective, this is just kind of a side debate that doesn't really have to do with the issues involved. and like james was saying i have yet to see kind of the concrete action. i think this is why the plurality that you mentioned

earlier is skeptical about how his response is going to isis because they feel like he hasn't been forceful enough. i don't know if that has anything to do with language. >> it is a tiny fraction. there are 1.6 million muslims in this world and only about 30,000 are members of isis. relatively speaking, it's inaccurate to say we're going after muslims. >> can i jump in? >> yeah go ahead. >> the president was absolutely right when he talked about we are not at war with islam, as president bush did. and that was not an idle state statement statement. the fact is that the most pernicious idea that's abroad in the world today as far as i'm concerned is the idea that the west is at war with islam. and it is quite widespread. it is -- it's not just the terrorists who believe that. so we need to be conscious of that although i don't think the best way to be -- to fight that is to say oh no no we're not at war with islam. there's lots of other things we can do. and i have to say i did some of

them when i was at the state department. so i think we need a serious effort at fighting bad ideas and inspiring the 99.999% of muslims in the world who are -- who are not terrorists and many of whom are young people who are looking for meaning in their lives. but i don't think -- and i also don't think we should shy away from supporting and about our own values. >> thanks for taking the time this morning. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. irchls still still ahead, why one congresswoman is so sick of washington, she's willing to give up her seat. she'll tell us why. and next could another "indiana jones" movie be on the way with a much younger indy? that's details are next. oices in retirement. know that proper allocation could help increase returns

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all right. back with our panel. got more headlines from around the world. more things people are talking about this morning. let's look at "the new york times," a story about hillary clinton beginning the process of vetting herself. she has hired a firm called new partners that is going to perform self-opposition research for her possible campaign. they're going to look through hillary's history at the speeches donations, public record of the six years since she was last a candidate. i guess that's smart. >> i guess it's smart. it seems like it's a little late. doing something that they started, i don't know, a year or two ago. so that worried me a little bit. >> yeah. certainly the media has been doing a little bit of reporting about the clinton foundation. >> right. >> about some of the donations, some unpleasant stuff there. i wonder if that's pretip tated it precipitated it. >> she's the most vetted person, first her husband and going back to 2008. i doubt there will be anything major that comes up. >> i think this issue of the foundation is going to remain an

issue and is relatively unexplored territory. and i say this as someone who admires her. she showed in her book tour a lack of comfort, dexterity in talking about how she makes her money, how much money, and those are things that are legitimate questions and are going to be mined by her opponents for sure. >> i think it was stylistic, though, more than substantive. i think folks were aware that she was going to potentially run, and i don't think there's anything murky there. >> you start talking about foreign governments and the sort of financial arrangements and things that maybe if you're president, if you're subject to different laws might look a little different, you know. i think that stuff starts to look messy to people. there might be a side of the clintons that remind them of. what else do we have here? this is from "the new york times" to deadline hollywood. steven sealbergpielberg hopes to direct

chris pratt in an "indiana jones" reboot. "parks & recreation," "guardians of the galaxy." it's a good movie. i saw that one recently. no harrison ford. can you have "indiana jones" without harrison ford? >> yes, you can. i think it says something about going from being on "parks & regular" and "the lego movie." >> it's a great country. >> his "parks & rec" character is the guy that fell into the pit. now he's going to be strangling -- >> no harrison ford cameo? >> there's got to be a cameo. >> there's got to be. >> is it going to be his dad? there's got to be something. >> just as long as it isn't another origin story. i'm tired of origin stories. >> the last one in 2008 was the last "indiana jones" with harrison ford. you're starting to see the age there. i was, like, yeah i guess they're not going to be able to do another one of those. what else. this is from victoria's part of the country, the austin

american-statesman." ken paxton asks the supreme court to void same-sex marriage. the attorney general filing to the state supreme court yesterday an emergency motion trying to get the state's first gay marriages, they tried to get them avoided. >> there's a toe in the door for the same-sex marriage movement in texas. texans are split half and half when it comes to gay marriage. there's a sense that texans are against it where 75% of the voters voted for prop 2. the thing is there was only an 18% turnout rate. so only 18% of registered voters in texas, so translate that into 10% of texans voted for gay marriage. >> well plus how much has changed in ten years since then you know? >> exactly. >> states that were voting it down ten years ago have -- >> and also, they really want to break up the marriage of a woman who has ovarian cancer? >> they do. >> i mean this is the attorney general in a state that does have -- it's a constitutional amendment, correct? >> it is.

>> state constitution against this. and this is a judge and a local clerk. from my perspective, as you say there's so much more openness to this i would be curious to have that vote again in texas. one of the things that i think is sad, i think if you had waited long enough i think a lot of these states would have voted for it itself. >> a lot of people said that about segregation, too. >> i think maybe in this case i think that there's something that's healthy that's better about sort of going through the process of convincing people to go along with this as opposed to just having a situation where a local clerk makes a decision. >> the backdrop for all this of course, is the supreme court's going to be weighing in on this fairly soon. there's a school of thought that the supreme court, you know wouldn't have -- if the supreme court says this is illegal, they wouldn't have done it ten years ago. they waited for two-thirds of the states basically to come to this point. i think that's the wide assumption right now. we'll see what happens. thanks to my panel for today, ben domenich joan walsh. still ahead, what do you do

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week. how do they jibe with bush's new dietary regime and also what about the corn dogs and the state fair staples and campaign trail treats that seem to be a requirement on the road to the white house for any presidential candidate out there? nobody said winning the white house would be easy but jeb's comment at that fund-raiser left us wondering, what is the best way to eat when you're planning to run for president? renowned chef rocco despirito says it's possible to conclude your butt off. his new cookbook features healthy recipes you can make at home. >> how are you? >> perfect person to address this. >> yeah. >> i was talking to people on this our team this week the paleo diet they said everybody knows about this now. what's the cliff's notes on what it is? >> it's based on what cave meb from thepaleolithic era ate. then we started to plant things and process foods.

and before the advent of modern agriculture, we hunted and gathered and ate meat berries. >> they died at 21 years old, didn't they? >> they did but that was for other reasons. i wasn't there, i can't give you the full stats. there is some legitimacy to watching what you eat, first of all, 67% of americans are overweight or obese. you just spent two hours talking about isis. and you should know that obesity killed 300,000 of americans last year. how many did isis kill? our own system -- food production system and our own diet is the greatest threat to the american way, in my opinion. >> all right. >> but i think you could draw an inference from how the candidates conduct themselves in their diet to how they lead. i don't think it's unfair to say that a candidate who's actually thinking and conscious about what he consumes is more likely to be more conscious about other things. >> so how do they do this practically speaking? because, i mean the rigors of running for president, you're not sleeping the way you should be sleeping. you're sleeping in a different

place every night. >> it's a marathon. >> every event wants to feed you. this is the best chef in our town. you're being insulting if you don't eat all this stuff. remember there's that scene of romney in 2012 they served him cookies and he said what did you get these from 7-eleven and insulted everybody there. you've got to play along. how can you do one of these diets, and like jeb, how can he have the paleo diet and run for president? >> there's no question jeb probably has someone preparing food for him every day and sending him on his way or someone taking care of that for him. it's very difficult to run for office and also prepare all your meals. that's something i do for my clients. and when my clients are out at state fairs and have you know temptations like the corndog, i say pretend you're a supermodel push the food around on the plate and say funny things you know. and then go home and eat the real food. they don't really eat those things on a regular basis. >> is it okay to take a bite? >> of course it's okay to take a bite. you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

everything in moderation. i love that jeb is even thinking about his weight. governor christie you know he's a man who's struggling with his weight. do you think it will have an impact on his chances for presidency? >> he's lost a considerable amount of weight too, actually. >> he has. you know i'd love to help him get to his weight-loss goal at some point. but i think that how well you preserve yourself is an indication of how you might try to preserve our nation. >> let me ask you this. for a candidate or anybody who's sort of on the run and traveling around a lot, what's a good basic -- what would you give them as a good meal for the road? >> you have to have a plan in place. you can't just go in there and wing it. it's like government right? you can't show up in office and wing it. you have to have a plan a strong point of view, a set of core values and principles that will help guide you. and you have to be making conscious choices. just like running the government. and part of the plan might be bringing things having things sent to you or knowing what's good to eat in the cities you go

in. also advocating for yourself in a restaurant. when you walk in remember you're in charge. you're the customer. you're paying for the service. if you're on paleo, you simply tell the chef hey, i want protein, no grain, no gluten and just make it happen. >> gluten. what is gluten quickly? i still don't know. >> gluten is a protein found in wheat, barley and rye. the problem with guten is two things. number one, the genetically modified gluten that we eat today is very different than the wheat we ate 50 years ago. the other problem with gluten and wheat, it's in such high proportions now is that it becomes toxic at high levels. and what it does is causes leptin resistance. leptin is a hormone that tells us we're full. when you eat foods that contain a lot of gluten it causes leptin resistance, meaning that hormone, that fullness meter is shut off. so we eat and overeat and overeat and overeat. and the more bread we eat, the more foods containing gluten we eat, the more we crave them. >> bread is delicious, though,

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janice hahn announced she's giving up her seat in the house. very unusual move in politics. she's making that move because there's virtually zero cooperation between the two parties. it's not the kind of government i grew up. i can do more for the los angeles region on the bortd of supervisors. it may not be as quite as dramatic as "the l.a. times" reports that the board of supervisors are among the most coveted, safe and powerful positions in the nation. they are sometimes called the

five kings. the job even pays better than congress. congresswoman hahn joins us live from los angeles. is this a commentary really a decision on what washington has become. become? >> hi, steve. it is. washington, d.c. is mired in gridlock. there's so much partisan bickering. it's not the government i grew up with. my family has been in local government for about 70 years here in los angeles. and while i thought i could do something in congress to reach across the aisle, o to work on bipartisan issues, it's more and more difficult to find any cooperation and i just think i can do a lot more comeing home to loengs and working with my constituents with only four other people obn the county board of supervisors. >> you have been in congress

since 2011. is there a particular moment where it geled where it was like, look, i'm not going to get done when i wanted to get done? >> it first came in 2011. the august of that summerer we were fighting over whether or not we should put this country into default. then we went into that super committee with 12 people who couldn't come into a decision. and that hit me. i didn't come to congress to represent 700,000 people and have automatic triggers that would slash and burn spending of really important departments in this country. . and now we're on the brink of defunding the department of homeland security if we won't go along with the idea of agreeing to deport about 5 million people. so it's kind of this brinkman

brinkmanship. and i actually believe government has a role to play in people's lives. it can be positive. i think i can have that kind of experience back home in los angeles. >> what is the source of the breakdown you're driveescribing. you have had these conversations with different members. where does it stem from? >> you know i'm not exactly sure but i do know that i hear about the good old days in congress. the days of ronald reagan and tip o'neill. the days where there was disagreement between the two parties, but there was more of an effort to find common ground to work on the other side of the aisle, to allow amendments from the minority party as you move forward in agenda for the country. but that's just not happening. and clearly, the american people have told us they are disappointed in us. we have about a 9% approval rating, which i think used to be

family and friends. i'm wondering if that includes family anymore approving of what we're doing. so i think the american people deserve more. i certainly think the residents of los angeles will benefit from me coming home and working on all the same issues but actually getting something done. >> giving up a seat in congress giving up a seat in the national capital tr if local office. interesting to see if this is a trend that others start picking up on as well. interesting with your experience. janice hahn thank you for joining us. >> thank you. thank you for getting up with us today. join us again tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. senator amy will join us. in miami on wednesday night at 8:00 p.m. you won't want to miss that. mark your calendar now. right now stick around for

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