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ordinary, took extroidaordinary actions. i think they're all fascinating questions that the film really brilliantly explores. >> glenn greenwald, thank you very much. >> good evening rachel. >> that is a game i so want to play. >> i totally just asked who he was wearing and i'm very happy about that. >> if we ever set up like pub quiz you have locked us into that game forever and we'll give away glenn's tux. it will be great. happy monday. today the news is nuts. what do you get it you combine the values of g.m. g.e., and mcdonald's? and walmart? what do you get if you combine the values of those four
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gigantic companies? you would get one apple. this is crazy. the second largest company in exxon. apple right now is valued at more than double the value of exxon mobile. apple is gm ge mcdonald's, and walmart together. they would have between the 19th and 20th highest gdp if it was a country. if you want to get the to valuation, add the entire size of the economy of iceland, jordan lebanon, new zealand,
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kuwait, ireland and you're not quite there. if apple gave the world an announce, every single human being on the earth would get $100 from apple. that is how big apple computer is with it's stock price today. that's the kind of news day that today is. it's just weird. today was also this kind of a news day. that brought us this from idaho. i have to say if you're a toddler watching this program, hi ask your mom, dad, or a responsible adult near by if it is okay for you to see this next part. it's from idaho. brace yourself. this is their state representative vito barbiari. today, a bill about abortion
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restrictions. he voted to impose those new restrictions. prohibiting them from something they already do because a doctor let's the legislature decide instead because the legislatures know better than the doctors, particularly when it comes to lady parts and the delicate matter of where exactly those parts are. just watch this. this is from the idaho legislature. they start talking about colonoscopies, and things just go downhill from there. i wear we did not edit this. this is what today is like in the news.
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sometimes there is nothing to add. sometimes the most straightforward headlines are all that you really need to tell a story like this. after this incident today, on february 23rd, 2015 represent
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barbieri learn thad if a woman swallows a pill it will not end up in her vagina. so add these new restrictions his bill passed today. he is also on the board of a crisis pregnancy center. to be fair when he went to the last antiabortion board meeting, they were talking about how a baby comes out of a ladies tum tum. you can see where he would get confused. but his bill passed today, even with the shinbone connected to the knee bone problem. that was the character of the news today. not even to the rats that are the size of cats that are immune to poison. for all of the things hard to believe in today's news for my
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money, the single hardest thing to believe happened in washington dc. it happened just a little while ago, and it happening when congress failed to move a bill that is supposed to shut down the department of homeland security. the department of homeland security in is going to happen. it is looking more likely than not that the first major con jens of -- consequence of republicans taking congress is homeland security shutting down. by now we have lived through the sequester, the arbitrary cuts. cuts to the military cuts designed to be so bad and so stupid that nobody would want them to take effect but they did anyway. it happened in the government shut down when they tried to get president obama to decide he was against obama care after all.
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we have seen the republican party do all of that from their position of controlling half of congress. maybe now they they control the whole thing maybe it's not as surprising as british rats the size of cats or a congressman thinking babies come from a ladies tummy. but in context, this is almost impossible to wrap your head around. the part of the government that grew to the department of homeland security. nine days after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. in a serious and moving address to congress president bush announced a centerpiece policy of his post 9/11 government. the biggest transformation of the government since the world war ii era. >> for the last nine days the
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entire world has seen for itself the state of our union and it is strong. today dozens of central events and agencies state and local governments have responsibilities affecting homeland security. these efforts must be coordinated at the highest level. tonight i announce the creation of a cabinet level position reporting directly to me the office of homeland security. pennsylvania governor tom ridge was tasked with running the office of homeland security. when it came time to make it a full cabinet level department they were unanimous in their support for doing it. there was democratic defections. democrats were not all comfortable with this massive agency but republicans were
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chest thumpingly on board. in the senate, they voted unanimously. of course they would right? they're the law and order party right? that has historically been part of the republican party or how they want to be seen. right now that is getting more difficult to explain. the homeland security department today encompasses 16 agencies. they have immigration and customs, and lots more. today jay johnson today with the heads of some of those agencies and employees from the homeland security department and they warned congress they're putting the country at risk by shutting down his department. >> that continuing resolution expires in just four-and-a-half days. the clock is ticking. as i stand here there is nothing
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from congress to fund us beyond that point. a shut down of homeland security would have serious consequences and amount to a serious disruption. on a degree of weird news strange things happen in the news the republican party failing to fund the part of the government that was created by a republican president, that keeps the country security. that is the weirdest thing i have seen in a very long time in politics or out. joining us now is john stanton. thank you for your time tonight. are you surprised republicans are allowing this to happen? i guess the 6:00 vote tonight
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was thought of as a solution but it's weird to me it has gotten this late. >> i have to admit that is kind of adorable. it is not surprising to me at all. republicans, their desire to go to get in a fight with obama over these issues for executive overreach, is the biggest right now. more importantly, in a lot of ways, 2016 republicans will. they see this as a winning issue for them. they're base guys are telling them this is a good idea. they're willing to go and pick this fight. and you know the fact they have done this now several times, gone to the brink on this one, a shut down this does not unfortunately surprise me at all. >> are they going -- i guess i
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feel your judgment of my naive naivety. this is not shut down the evil federal government. this is like shut down the one part of the government that we will never say a bad word about. shut down the one hart of the government that has a creepy name, shut down the one part that was created by george w. bush that they never had a bad word against. it's like banning apple pie. isn't there a homeland security pushback within their own party? >> senate republicans are looking at the house guys saying we need more money, more border patrol people down there to handle immigration, we're the party of law and order, tough on security, and we have been
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beating up on the president over his handling of foreign policy and you're doing this and it will make us look bad. i think there is a general belief and feeling that this is the moment they have to try to fight the president on this issue that has been the issue de jour. and i think once you start to bring in that anger towards obama, it almost overrides everything else that is going on within the party and on the pill, and there is not much room for compromise on the house side. >> do you think they're going to -- looking ahead at the next few days right. the funding expires on friday the shut down of the department will they do something in terms of a short term extension? do they want this to be over? or do they want it to go on as long as possible? >> it depends who you talk to.
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a short-term situation where they're constantly having to refight this. they want to talk about their economic and education policies energy stuff. they don't want to talk about president obama's immigration stuff. they don't want to have a constant brinksmanship that has become their hall mark. and in particular that is the last thing they want to do. but you know they're not going to get a bill passed before friday that funds the dhs through september. so really it will end up being a shut down over a couple weeks, probably the best case scenario or a sort of rolling short term cr which i think is what they want to avoid at this point. >> i know we saw this coming i can't believe it is happening. and i bask in your judgment. john stanton, thank you. >> any time. >> lots more tonight including
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>> it turns out this is a crime. this time last year look duke energy dumped millions of gallons of toxic coal ash sludge. it is what is left after you burn coal for electricity. and duke energy dumped it in giant lagoons along sensitive water ways. when one of them burst, it emptied tens of millions of gallons into the dan river last year. it coated 70 miles in this toxic goop full of mercury, arsenic, and other heavy metals. that river, and a few others don't stop at the state line. they run on both sides of the border between say north
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desert. a man turned himself in for question questioning. he lived in germany, he had been connected to investigations, and when the police called him after 9/11 and asked him to come in and be questioned again, he said okay and he came in voluntarily. initially they had suspicions he might be an al qaeda operator at some level. maybe a facilitator or recruiter. they took him into custody and got him to guantanamo. once he was at guantanamo they decided that guy was not some low level facilitator, they decided he was a huge deal a huge priority. the defense intelligence agency
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in 2003 was designated as having a special projects status. so they planned the interrogation for him. that written plan for what they want today do ended up in the torture report in the 2008 election. a wall street adjourn journalist also got it and said this
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they wrote it all up in a lot of detail of what they want today do to him. and that request went to lieutenant jeffrey miller. then to the head of the southern command of the pentagon general james hill. he signed off. then the top lawyer william j. haynes and then paul wolfowitz, you might recognize that name. he was asked to sign off on this
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specific interrogation plan for this guy. he signed off on it too, and it went all of the way upstairs to donald rumsfeld. and he personally signed off on what they want today do to this one guy. as part of this out there plan for this guy, they wrote up their plans, right? including some very specific stuff they want today do. they wanted to take him out on a boat and drive him around the island in guantanamo making him think he was being transferred to a far away and worse prison. they kept a bag over his head the whole time they kept him on that boat. they stuffed him in a straight jacket and from his neck to ankles, they packed all of the space between his bare skin and those clothes with ice cubes.
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once he was packed like that on the boat they beat the hell out of him. they showed him a fake letter about how they arrested his mother and they were interrogating her like inter interrogateing him. and they were going to bring her to guantanamo as well. it is this elaborate plan they had written out. when it came time to do it when it came time to carry it out, who they turned to to do it was a chicago cop. and that where this story takes a dramatic and weird geographic turn. this prisoner slahi, on his own terms his case is one of the strangest and most well documented cases there.
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he has published a diary. he was orders release in 2010, the judge said none of the government's games were proving against him. they decided to not bring any charges against this guy even though he confessed to everything under the sun because he contested them. there is a very high profile case at guantanamo where his his torture is exceedingly well documented. we know everything they asked to do to this guy. we saw the plan. they documented what they did to him. he wrote up what they did to him. nobody including the military believes his confessions because
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they were tortured out of him. now the man is never to torture him or release him because of how much we tortured him and what we know about that torture. that was done while he had a special projects status at guantanamo. the guy who headed him up as a special project, the man who led that special project interrogation, that led to slahi confessing to everything and anything to make it stop. the guy who ran that interrogation is a chicago police detechtivedetective, or was at the time. he was a navy reservist. he headed up the most infamous post 9/11 interrogation not conducted by the cia. he went back to chicago until
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2007. now there is a question of his interrogations back home in chicago. his cases back home in the chicago pd. like the case of boyd arrested in 1990. he asked to be put into a line up after he was arrested. he said he didn't do it. nine eyewitnesss looked at him in that line up and none of the nine eyewitnesss picked him. one of those you witnesses said that he was not the guy. that this guy, definitely did not do it. that information never made it into the police reports and he was convicted and he served 23 years in prison before the state looked at his case again and they dismissed the charges and set him free after 23 years.
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>> i remained in that room through two lineups, and i remember i asked after that second lineup i asked if anybody picked me out of the lineup, and he said no. and i said see, i told you. you have the wrong guy. and he smiled at me. and he said we're charging you anyway. it still doesn't seem real. or that i'm here.
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i'm just still trying to -- >> for weeks now "the guardian" newspaper, and a great reporter i have known forever, has been digging into other cases that the officer worked on in chicago. also now an attorney who worked on freeing boyd an attorney that claims to have won more exonerations than any other private lawyer in the united states. she says she is working on three other convictions that involved that detective that went from chicago to guantanamo and back again. and these hard and disturbing questions about how much overlap there was in his work between those two cases. joining us now is spencer, a reporter from "the guardian." and the chicago police department has given us a long
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daytime in response. we posted it tonight. but they say the allegations in "the guardian's" reporting say they are not supported by facts. the full statement is online. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to ask you about the statement from the chicago p.d. they would not give you a statement for "the guardian"? >> it's been a week now that we have sent them detailed questions about the situation. >> and we have asked for comment we have not received response from them did you get in touch
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with anyone representing him? >> no through a spokeswoman for his current job he declined to comment, we have given him every opportunity to respond to this story. >> the troubling and of course implication here is continuity between what ended up a well documented technique, and interrogations and confessions back home in chicago. what can you say about techniques. >> these techniques in chicago, a history with a really distuving and dark legacy of police torture, appear to act like something for what would happen in guantanamo bay. frins, back in chicago, he would coerce con fissions by a woman
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who is still in prison telling her that she would not see her family again. that sounds reminiscent of salhi that if he did not confess, his mother was be brought there. boyd had disconfirming evidence. things like like a piece of paper, the fact that other witnesses didn't see him, the car he drove was not the car seen at the scene. similarly, they ignore evidence
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against salhi. it brings together false information about salhi in a case of a guy who is still in jail in illinois named lee harris. he used that guy as an informant. and slowly but surely over the summer to solve a gruesome murder. to shade his story. so it looks more and more like he was an eyewitness. that sounds really rememberiniscent. >> do you think that the effort to try to see if other people were wrongly connected, do you think that is likely to turn up things that is broader than just him, or is this specific to his techniques. are you saying they were his own innovations or his own common
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practice. >> from what i heard about chicago policing this is a systemic problem, particularly the reliance on confessions instead of physical evidence connecting people to the crime. i think in his case, a thorough look from some of his old cases, it seems like it might in fact find what the state's attorney in cooke county found in boyd's cases, that people have been wrongly fully imprisoned. how far alook does it go go is an enormously large question. because of how tainted it seems like there is something rotten about that criminal justice in chicago. >> connecting some dots that i never expected to be connected. thank you for being here. introducing preferred rewards from
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after the 2012 election the election where democrats kept control of the senate and the white house and even managed to pick up a couple senate seats. 2012 election which was great for the democratic party was a disaster for the republican party, after that 2012 election republicans decided to perform an autopsy on themselves to figure out what went wrong. their 100-page report was sort of refreshing in its honesty, quote, public perception of the party is at record lows. young voters are increasingly rolling their eyes at what the republican party believes. they wrongly think we don't want them in the country.
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after the autopsy of 2012, it was mostly a diagnosis of the party's messaging problems but it did include one specific policy recommendation. they said, quote, we must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform. how's that going? republicans in congress have not only not done that, they are now on the verge this week of shutting down the homeland security department because they're opposed to what the president has done in terms of immigration reform. so yeah republicans mostly ignored their post 2012 autopsy. but now it's the democrats' turn. republicans got spanked in 2012 but the lek shnelections after that couldn't be worse for democrats. so after this shellacking the democrats have produced their on autopsy. here's how the democratic autopsy starts. quote, we have suffered devastating losses.
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at all levels of government, since 2008. including, 69 seats in the house. 13 seats in the senate 910 state legislative seats. 30 state legislative chambers 11 governorships. ooh, the first step towards fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem, i guess. but this is a big problem. democrats describes those as devastating. their solution is this. and if you take off the back cover which says nothing and the front cover which says nothing, it's a grand total of seven pages. so nine pages if you count the covers, but this is it. this is their autopsy. just by way of comparison the republican autopsy was 100 pages, but, eh. in order to consistently win on every level we have to reconnect with the reason we want to win. and that reason is the people.
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chicken soup! so much of the report is that sort of like platitude nous nonsense. unlike the republican autopsy which recommended the change on immigration, this one recommends no changes for democrats. all the polls leading up to the election shows that president obama's policies were popular. it's just that democrats didn't do a good job of attaching themselves to those policies. so there's no grand policy pronouncement in this autopsy from the democrats. there is, though one interesting thing. last week on the show we spoke to a former democratic congressman named mark shower about advantage 2020. it's an initiative to retake as many governorships as possible to democrats will be in a position to participate in redrawing the districts after
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that census. when republicans had such a huge win in 2010 their winds allowed them to redraw all the electoral districts to their advantage because of that census. democrats are now trying to get theirs back with this 2020 plan. it was actually possible for what the republicans did like a state michigan. so that advantage 2020 thing is about undoing what the republicans did in 2010. it's about democrats trying to win state legislatures by the year 2020 to essentially correct what the republicans did five years ago. and the democratic's party's autopsy report which, again is only seven pages long plus the covers identifies this strategy as an imperative a three cycle plan to get enough legislatures to they are redrawing the maps. not the republicans.
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authorization of that thing. president obama doesn't want that to happen. he has said that he would veto that bill. if he does so this would be the first meaningful legislation he has vetoed ever. there were small technical things of no political importance. but now, apparently he's going to get a chance to do it for real on a big one, and soon. and the timing on this is a little bit weird, because congress passed that bill as i said, almost two weeks ago. but then after passing the bill which president obama vowed to veto, congress wet on vacation for a week without actually sending the bill to the white house. so the president could veto it. they apparently are finally going to send the bill up to the white house tomorrow, which means that the president's promised veto may happen tomorrow. i guess the republicans all wanted to be there in town for veto day. this is a big deal, both the democrats and republicans think
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that president obama vetoing this thing will be great for them. he has never vetoed any legislation in the six years he's been in office. they are trying to send hem bills they know he will not sign. we are now on to a new era in american politics. welcome to the veto era. fine weather we're all having. that does it for us. now it's time for "the last word", with lawrence o'donnell. >> i've never seen you so excited about a four-letter word. are you going to have a veto party? >> it's very exciting. we haven't had any. >> and it's a real constitutional power. let's see it work. >> yay, civics. thanks lawrence. first up tonight, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. they are washington's current masters of painting themselves into a corner and they have done it once again. and later in the rewrite, the