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to the south a. large portion of it preventative measures are full on strong and then watch this truck crash through a light pole, as it was flying off the freeway. then it dropped and then it crashed on the road below. can you believe the guy is okay? and the e! new yorker's juliana rancic is getting fashion talk or serial typing the actor? first, though the man who shot american sniper chris kyle and his friend chad littlefield will likely spend the rest of his life in prison after the jury found eddie ray routh guilty late last night in texas. kyle's widow wasn't there at the time it was read. possibly she left after something the defense had said. cnn reports da chad

littlefield's mom says they have been waiting two years for this day. >> reporter: it was a swift investigator here in stevenville, texas, where the american sniper jury found eddie ray routh guilty. the verdict came in less than two-and-a-half hours after starting its deliberations. the jury rejecting the lawyers that the former marine was insane. after the verdict was read-is father and stepbrothers gave emotional statements directly to eddie ray routh, calling him an american disgrace. outside the courtroom, chad littlefield's mother spoke with reporters in an emotional statement. >> we've waited two years for god to get justice for us on behalf of our son and as always god has proved to be good and faithful and we are so thrilled that that we have the verdict that we have tonight. >> reporter: eddie ray routh

showed little emotion as the verdict was read in fact that's the way he has been throughout most of this trial, taking pages and pages of notes. now he has been found guilty of the murders of chad littlefield and kay kyle. >> it's been two years for god to get justice for us on behalf of our son and, as always god has proved to be good and

faithful and we're so thrilled that we have the verdict that we have tonight. >> we want to bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa green. good to have you with us this morning. >> thanks so much. we have been talking about this over the past few weeks. you just wonder whether a court is going to say this defendant could have gotten a fair trial, even if all of america were rooting against them and the hometown of an american hero who has the biggest grossing war movie of all time the jurors are taking breaks watching the academy award, how does any defendant get a fair trial under those circumstances? >> you know, i can't remember a situation like this where the jurors watched the academy awards and show up for duty two days later. this deliberation included a dinner break. so it didn't take them long to

reach the results. i think, honestly if the victims had been named smith and jones, we might well have seen the same result here without the publicity. look at the standard if texas for an acquittal ocean of insanity. you see what a tough road the defense had to do. >> lisa look at the emotional testimony that that jury saw, here's kyle's widow explaining the last moment she saw her husband. take a look. >> when did you last see chris that day? >> we were at the house and we were both trying to hurry and get to where we were supposed to go. so he had gone around the house one way to try to find me and like comedy we eventually found each other in the hallway and gave each other a kiss and a hug like we always did. >> lisa the video of his

admission was within the days and hours after the murders. >> there were so much testimony and in a way a lot of evidence from routh, himself, right. the videotape we saw of his confession. the encounter we had with police fleeing the scene. the prosecution was able to make good use to change the narrative of a veteran returning who had ptsd and fell apart to a sort of scheming manipulative stone, you know murderer who they argued apparently successfully was able to exit these heinous crimes and then try to cover his tracks with an insanity argument. it didn't take the jury long to see that side of the story. >> all right. lisa green, thank you very very much. in political news now, president obama has made good on his promise to veto a bill authorizing the keystone xl pipeline. just the third veto of his presidency t. president says the bill attempts to circumvent

longstanding determining whether or not building and operating a cross border pipeline serves the national interest. it true harsh criticism from house speaker john boehner to a quote national embarrassment. majority leader mitch mcconnell says the senate will attempt to override a vote. meanwhile, the white house insists the president won't make a final decision on the pipeline until after the state department finishing its study on the environmental impact it would have. >> i said at the time of "way too early" may 1st gives him until the united states senate. think about yesterday, barak obama of course supposedly destroyed, like bill clinton destroyed, barak obama hasn't had a day. he was 3 and 0 yesterday. republicans cave on ahs. republicans say we will have a clean vote. then you have of course the net

new neutrality case by the republicans. >> you said so much for the weak presidency theory of the case. suddenly he looks strong and republicans look divided. i think the biggest deal yesterday is this fight over funding for dhs. we all few the ve that was coming. republicaning get out of this box. they know they sister to surrender. if they surrender, we have sources telling us the republicans would once again go over speaker boehner and say you can't have their job if you surrender. >> harry reid is loving every second of this, basically, setting the contours of debate. now saying we will not even pass a clean bill in the senate unless john boehner tells us how he will run the house. republicans in the house just not going to put up with it. i'm a simple country lawyer from -- >> you can do better in the education department, joe. >> it seems to me though that

the president of the united states vetoing this pipeline which i think the canadian ambassador said okay so why is the 77th pipeline so much worse tan the first 76 makes us look small in the eyes of the world. when you have the president's own state department saying it does create jobs and temporary or not, what construction jobing are usually fought jobs that last 50 years. and also the state department says it's more has less of an environmental impact. doesn't this make us look small in the eyes of the world? >> i think there is two parts to this. one that's gotten the biggest attention, is this a referendum on the pipeline itself if the president did not mean it would get billed. >> that means it's not going to get built. by the fact that someone who served in the consecutive branch and agreed to do a certain

legislative branch to me is enough prerogative as the president. you may not like the decision he will make. but there is a process through the state department of reviewing this. and what the congress would have done is in effect take away the president's power to make that decision. >> well, how long does it take him to make his own decision when the state department says it creates jobs it's less environmentally damaging? >> as you know i am if favor of this pipeline. as you say, it's the 72nd pipeline that will go through this area. the jobs are 42,000 jobs. they're not forever, but they're jobs. they're property taxes. i get all there. there is litigation in the nebraska courts over this i'm not saying the president wants toy approve this. i'm not sure it's a great idea for congress to be reasserting the ideas of the president. overseas, there is new information about the three

british school girls officials believe ran away to join the i islamic state. >> by the way, everybody goes oh these people are destitute and if we just get them a job, everything will be okay. >> it's not that. >> it's not that. these girls, the "new york times" profiled and the three who left came from at least middle class families. they were really good students. >> look at this recruiter. it's incredible. >> really good in science, math. >> we have to fully understand this. i don't think we do. british officials say the girls 15 and 16-years-old are likely no longer in turkey and have crossed into syria. turkey claims it would have acted sooner to find the girls. u.k. officials waited three days to inform them about the teens. scotland yard says that's not true. now officials say isis have

captured 150 christians from villages there following raids there. let's bring in richard engel live in istanbul. ripped, first of all, what do we know about these latest kid nappings? >> reporter: well, we know they happened in the province of syria. twlfs a string of christian villages. these vision villages were being protected by their own local christian self-defense force and the isis militants attacked on sunday. the christians weren't able to defend the villages. they had to retreat. then isis entered the villages. what exactly happened inside of them is unclear. generally with isis however, has been going into villages they will separate the men from the women, the elderly and children. oftentimes the men are executed and the other group is taken away away. what we do know is perhaps 90

more than 100 of mostly men, women and elderly were taken away from the village, taken as isis captives. >> hey richard, there is a piece in the "atlantic" magazine of course the "atlantic" put out a cover story this week or last week on what isis wants. it really has reshaped the debate here politically. but this new argument is asking if isis' social media power is exaggerated and whether they are attracting thousands of foreign fighters. what is the sense i get going around the middle east? what is the sense i get in turkey? is it exaggerated? >> reporter: no, i don't think it is exaggerated. i think the isis presence on social media is something that sets this group apart. there is something of a push and a pull with isis. there is the attraction that has always been in islam for people

to be drawn to calipate. whether it's a false calipate. >> that is the pull. there is this push of isis pushing its people on social pedia to try and get them to go and join the group. the idea of a calipate or islamic radicals. i read that article in the "atlantic" with quite a lot of interest, this idea of islamic radicals has been around since the beginning of islam. >> right. >> reporter: but it has not had the kind of attention or global prampl platform that it has now. it hasn't had access to really a global audience like there is now. >> so mike barn cam has a question mike. >> richard, what if anything has turkey done with regard to the turkish border or syria and iraq to try to knock down the number of people coming from great britain or elsewhere into

syria? >> reporter: this is a source of enormous debate in this country and the government says that it has done a great deal. in fact the deputy prime minister says if istan bull blacklisted or turned away 10,000 people. turkey is an open country. it's opened for business and tourism. if you come here as you were saying earlier, a middle class or a wealthy background you have no criminal past how is turkey supposed to know what your intentions are, what is in the heart. the opposition in this country or turkey's opponents, however, say this government an islamic government tan previous ones is working in not any concert with isis, but it's turning a blinds eye against isis, so i won't carry out attacks in this country. >> richard engel, thank you very

much. israeli president benjamin netanyahu declined during his upcoming trip to washington. >> there is good reason. >> the reason is fantastic. in a letter to reuters, the prime minister responds to an invite by as far as dianne feinstein and dig durbin, quote though i greatly appreciate your kind invitation to meet with democratic senators i believe that doing so at this time could compound the partnership regarding my business. upon the invite of republicans, netanyahu will address congress on march 3rd two weeks before his israeli elections and amid ongoing nuclear discussions between the u.n. and iran. >> isn't that great, see, he doesn't want it to be partist. >> i think that is very carrying. the whole thing is incredibly device it. actually, i will double down right now as you should and you

might want to be careful because i'm going to force you to tell the truth. >> why? about what? >> what you feel about this trip and whether or not he is doing the right thing. which you say he is not. >> sam stein, he doesn't want to be partisan. democrats or republicans, talk to everybody, sam, saying so what's the attitude on the hill right now about the upcoming visit? >> well some of the democrats that i've talked to about this are ambivalent at best to be honest with you. they look at it and see it as a ploy by john boehner to make israel a when issue. they don't want to be a part of that. it's tough to judge what a rejection letter means in that context. i get where mica is coming from. it seems like if this speech is so associated with house republicans and john boehner and if it was done it would make logical sense to have a meeting with senate democrats to make sure you are touching on all bases. on the flipside that would be a private meeting with senate

democrats. there would be no republican involved in a speech before a house would assume have both members, party members from in attendance. so i'm not saying it's so cut and dry. it does seem like he missed his strategic opportunity by fought sitting dwoun with senate democrats. >> mike what do you think? >> i'm wondering what the source is sam, what you hear the source is of these warnings to democrats but not going to yetia huh's speech. is it coming from israelis or from americans? what's the source of these warnings, given the members of the democratic party? >> a little bit of both to be honest with you. i mean obviously, you can see the attacks sort of right themselves if you don't attend the speech. so and so refused to show up and stand by our allie. it's these negotiations for nuclear weapons. that makes sense that would be a political attack ad. but democrats are really

grieving over what happened here. it's not just a protocol issue similar to what steven was talking about with the keystone pipeline. they do believe the president set foreign policy you should stick by that. but they also a deeply hurt by the idea that john boehner would take israeli bipartisanship forever and say we will make them associated with the republican party right now. they're not sure if they want to play that game. >> let's talk about the bbc polling that came out. it's really interesting. scott walker he is getting a big push. look at these numbers.

i can't help but wonder if that rand paul number is reflected by the change at how americans look at foreign policy. >> six month, last year we were talking about he was the most clever politician in america. he hasn't done anything interesting in six months. meanwhile, have you scott walker. he is carving out a lane he is now the anti-establishment evangelical christian hard party tea party guy clearly to the right of jeb bush. there is a huge space in there. he alone is filling it. now you see the race shaping up as a jeb bush vs. scott walker. there is not that much room. which is why you have your rubios, your rand, people in the mix getting out or at least very -- >> jim he will have to get crisper in his answers, who is a christian who is not a christian? all that sort of stuff like he was lost.

>> yes and no and yes over time he would win a general election. i'm with you. i think this stuff helps him. people feel the press is out to get him, asking silly questions they otherwise wouldn't answer. >> what was going on with isis, he bottled an answer. >> do you think it's a turnoff at this point? i think we saw sam in palm desert. he was good. i'm not saying i agreed with anything he was saying but in terms of being nimble and quick on his feet in a crowd completely contemporaneous. it's not bad. >> he is also good one-on-one, sam stein, in new hampshire. >> it might see kourntsz intuitiveintu -- counterintuitive. would you want to be in his position in the primary? jeb bush is raising millions and millions of dollars. he is obviously going to an

attack ad if your direction. perhaps it behooves someone to be piddle of the pack at this point. let the front runner fall back amidst these attack ads, then swoop in. maybe it's thinking too much about it. >> force i see that. >> you look at what happened four years ago in the cycle, you had everybody in 1st place, at least for a couple of weeks, kerry in 1st place, michelle bachmann in 1st place, okay romney in 1st place. i can name three or four more who won 1st place. there is a lot of up and down. i think there will be less of that this year. scott walker i think you will have more steadying influence of the numbers than four years ago. the wisconsin governor has run three state wide elections. right now, everybody is stopping to jeb train. and so few are scott walker i would rather be at 25%.

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. >> it's 26 past the hour. we start with a new jersey star ledger. 15 people were injured after a national gas leak in stafford township, new jersey caused by

a blast that disintegrated one home and damaged several others. footage on a police dash cam show the moments leading up to the explosion. seven workers, six firefighters two emts were injured after arriving at the scene when neighbors reported a strong gas odor. police say the gas was felt up to a mile away t. electricity was temporarily shut off for three homes as the investigation continues. barnacle pointed out it is amazing. >> absolutely amazing nobody killed. so 'people work around that house. hey, let's go to toronto. nbc news says toronto police are seeking answers on who dug a 33-foot tunnel found near a venue for this summer's pan-american games. very frightening. although, nobody was inside there were signs of life. 9-feet down included moisture resistant light bulbs. work gloves and a gas generator.

toronto police say the tunnel isn't linked to terrorism or drug production. >> how could it not be? >> i don't get it. it's like three minutes after a shooting in chapel hill. how do you make that determination? >> you can't. >> when people are digging tunnels? we're commenting now. >> this is interesting and frightening. who over paris overnight for a second night in a row, french officials ha not identified who was piloting the drones or why. the first was seen flying over the u.s. embassy. more over the eiffel tower, the luv and the interior ministry. authorities have not yet commented on the investigation but are taking the incident extremely seriously, following the recent attacks at "charlie hebdo." >> new research suggests anger is not just bad for your

relationship, but your health as well. according to a new study out of europe those exhibiting episodes of intense anger are nearly nine tiles more likely to suffer from a heart attack within two hours of the incident. scientists reported anger levels exceeding 5 on a scale of one to 10 in the two hours prior to their heart attack. more research is feed. say the presence of stress can bring about heart attack symptoms. >> it makes sense. >> it does make sense. i don't know maybe you should reconsider working with me on this show. it may not be good for your health. >> who is angry? >> you. the rage is unbelievable. it makes me sad. >> my rage? >> every time you do that, though, i start meditating. >> i understand. >> i get my yoga mat out. that's sort of the way i go to my happy place. >> i am so sorry. >> i hope you don't infect my soul. let's go to the daily mail.

a mayor is putting the entire town up for rent. >> what? >> to raise money. for about 700 euros a day, lease holders can lease out all the facilities, change the street names and become deputy mayor for a weekend. police grants access to the town and two cows. >> that's a deal. >> it's located at 110 piles southwest of budapest and has a population of 18. >> i love it. now from the "new york times," to a strange twist inside the insider trading trial of one of brazil's richest businessmen after the judge in the case was spotted driving the suspect's porsche. >> that is a problem. >> which has been seized by police t. judge was filmed cruising in the luxury car through rio. he says he was moving it to his building's indoor garage from the impound lot so it wasn't damaged by the sun and the rain.

benjamin netanyahu is a caring man. >> he is. >> this guy wants to make sure the state's new property doesn't get sun damaged. >> you said it all. coming up, the bbc's catty kay will join us from london. plus the must read opinion pages, keep it right here on "morning joe."

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. >> it's 34 past. time now for the must read opinion page. we will start with dana milbank, harry reid takes the stage in the dhs fiasco. for years, senate democrats complained the minority tied the chamber in knots. now weeks into their stint, they are using the same knot tying procedures even after majority leader mitch mcconnell split the immigration proposal from the funding bill democrats continued grandstanding on tuesday could have had if parts of the homeland security department shut down the coming days, republicans will be to blame. for mcconnell is making a good faith effort to keep his promise

not to have a shut down but he is finding out the senate is just as ungovernable under his republican control as it was under the previous pangment. >> surprise surprised, surprise. everybody has such short term memory. i want to take polapolaroids. this happened every two years, oh my god, a filibuster? i have democrats coming up to me going, doesn't your party have america? when you are in the minority you will do it too. come on this happens all the time. >> the minute you get in power, you will use every single tool to win the fight. look at the nfl. that's how congress is. i don't think it's shocking. i don't think anyone cares outside our little bubble i don't think people care they are

filibustering, the question is do you use every tool to clobber the option into submission. >> you shouldn't have disarmament. why should one side say i will do this every time i can. >> with mitch mcconnell puting out this proposal i'm sorry, i don't understand. at this point it would be the democrats who now might old hold. >> harry reid is overreaching. republicans overreach before. they just can't help themselves mike barnacle harry reid goes out in like sunglasses and goes that may not be enough. we want to tell john boehner now how to do his job. >> once again, they proved to the vast majority neither side the democrats or republicans can do tear job or won't do tear

job. they go to washington. this is what happens, the republicans are in control or the democrats are in control. by the way, the house of representatives went today to work it's wednesday. it's wednesday. >> boy i miss that schedule. >> yeah, you know what bill the post office today and tomorrow morning they go back home. >> let's go to keith stone. >> presidential vetoed the papers' editorial. white house aides are whispering the keystone xl bill signals a new phase of his presidency. he will finish out his tenure as a howard hughes like rifter. >> i love the "wall street journal" editorial page. >> from the political and economic center. the legislation to build the keystone xl pipeline mr. obama rejected tuesday enjoys a broad consensus t. press core says it goes against anything out of congress is his strategy for the next two years. the better way of putting it is

that mr. obama will leave office increasingly isolated obstructionist and partisan. >> yeah. we like him. >> they like him a lot. >> they like him. they really like him. >> it's a great ride. >> this is something the president hasn't used a veto very much. he's starting to use it now. i find this such occurious thing. nobody can give a factual reason. >> you talked about procedure. i got to say that was a great effort and i salute you for that. i forgive you. four stars on the top of your paper. because procedurally that is the only argument that is left. look at the substance of it.

i'll quote the state department. environmentally. it's safer than moving it to trucks and tankers. you talk about jobs. it does create jobs. again, people go it's temporary jobs. it's construction projects. construction projects don't last like two centuries. there is no good reason. so i would like if somebody will say it here j you to say, this isn't about the coke brothers, this is about the people that now fund the democratic party. >> i'll say the president, one of his most important constituencies are dead set against it. they made the litmus test and whether you are a republican or a democrat and have you constituencies like that that puts enormous pressure on you. i don't think there is any confusion about that. is there? >> does it matter? who cares?

like in the scheme of all the issues that we can grapple with the government that can create jobs or change the trajectory of our economy, one pipeline in all the time people spend thinking about it. debating it. in the scheme of things it is almost irrelevant. >> it becomes symbolic about sizing, you are right, at the end of the day, will is not a lot of relevance other than the fact this is one of the vetos the president is used. he is using it specifically because he is scared about the big fundamentalist party. there is just no other logical reason for this. >> he doesn't care right? he gets all schooled up. >> especially one that is more environment ally safe according to his own state department. than if you don't build it. >> all right. we continue the debate. up next he calls the west show down against vladmir putin the most serious thing since the

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we're proud to be a part of that. . >> a professor in boston a former ambassador nicholas burns, thank you so much for being with us. >> good morning. >> let's start talking about vladmir putin, you have written about him and how resolute the united states can struggle against putin. you said we have been two steps behind. explain. >> reporter: what putin has done is rewrite the history the last 25 years. he's basically divided eastern ukraine. he's violated international law and put thousands of russian

troops across the border into eastern ukraine. i think president obama and chancellor merkel made a decision we will not fight ukraine. the sanctions we have applied have not been strong enough to affect his calculus. we have not yet made the decision to give the ukrainian government a friend of ours defensive arms that could help them even the fight through technology. >> should we do that? >> yes. >> which weapons, specifically? >> anti-tank weapons that can reduce the separatists on the battlefield. this is an important principle here. we fought the cold war in a lot of ways to create a europe that problem said hold at peace. putin is dividing europe. he is drawing new division lines, he is trying to create a band of buffer states to the south and west around russia. we should resist that. we should push back and i don't think that we have been strong enough in trying to oppose it.

>> mr. ambassador why wouldn't we move troops by a symbolic gesture and an irritant to poland and the baltic states and say for every pro russian separatist that you send in we're going to send in a thousand troops into poland? >> well theed a pin strangs and nato have done that a little bit. we have air patrols. so fighter aircraft patrolling the baltic states back to the bush administration. president obama has moved a small number of american troops to estonia and latvia and poland. i think we ought to do more putin is the kind of guy if you don't put up some resistance if you don't build a brick wall he's going to keep going. we got to raise the price to him, to indicate to him that our commitment to es toneia latvia and poland nato allies is real. so the threat that we respond to any attack on them. that's an important one for united states and europe to

uphold. >> nick yesterday, the secretary of state in testimony before the senate alluded to something you mentioned are giving the ukrainians more arms than they have now? can we really rick in do we really want to see a mild form of warfare that's going on now becoming a really hot war? >> you know i think it already is a hot war. we got to respect the principle and support the principle a government like ukraine had the right to defend its own territory. you remember last summer. the ukrainian government is win tack battle. president putin put that 11 missile system into eastern ukraine that shot down the malaysian airliner. i don't see nato or the united states as the aggressor if we help them with defensive arms tank weapons, sophisticated radar, that kind of thing. if anything we're going to make it possible i think for the ukrainian government to have more so that an eventual peace or truce is possible.

>> doesn't it seem mr. ambassador difficult to reason with vladmir putin when you look at the ruble falk you look at oil prices falling, you look at him being in the midst of an economic freefall and yet the weaker he seems at home the more he strikes out at home. >> he is aggressive and cynical. he can be brutal. i think he is a rational. i think the assumption the obama administration makes in their right is he is rational. so this is an exercise if trying to drive up the price. you are right. >> so you think vladmir putin is a rational actor on the international states? we sort of in the same way the kremlin was that we actually can expect him to behave more rationally than say how iran has behaved since '79? >> look i disagree with just about everything vladmir putin is doing. i think he is rational. he will respond to pressure.

he will respond to strength. that's what i think president obama and chancellor merkel need to do is push back a little. i'm not saying push back with our military force. make it difficult for him. you were right when you said the oil price drop has really hurt him. so the leverage we got is not so much on the military side. it's on the economic side. prime minister cameron gave a speech yesterday in parliament in britain. he said we need to spike up the sanctions. i think he's right. >> i'm not sure i completely embrace the concept of putin being rational. someone who is is israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. you said his speech is ill considered on all side. would you advise at this point the trip is canceled or is the damage done? >> you know i think at this point he's not going to can sell. he had opportunities to pull back. he decided not to. there is two problems with this as i see it.

there is a problem on the american side. if we invite the israeli prime minister to address congress two weeks before an israeli election we are basically interfering in israeli politics. the israeli labor party leader herzog we are essentially favoring with a prime speaking opportunity with one of the candidates. on the other side, i was a diplomat for a long time for both republican and democratic administrations. you just don't interfere blatantly in someone else's politics. we have an argument between some republicans and democrats over iran and the prime minister walking right into this susan rice said on charlie rose last night destructive, the rhetoric on both sides is real i've never heard americans talk about an israeli prime minister like that. i think it's best we try to diffuse this i hope the prime minister would decide not to come. i don't think he will. i think he is coming. >> all right. mr. ambassador i said the same thing to mica. she won't listen to me.

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when did you last see chris that day? day? >> we were at the house and we were both trying to hurry and get to where we were supposed to go. so he had gone around the house one way to try to find me and like comedy eventually we found each other in the hallway. and gave each other a kiss and a hug like we always did. >> that's the widow of american sniper chris kyle. after nine days of testimony and less than three hours of deliberations the injury convicted eddie ray routh is there three hours of deliberation and a dinner break. >> we have lisa green coming up. >> i will ask you, anyway the jury that saw the academy award, that was in the hometown of this american hero whether the defendant could have gotten a

fair trial or not. >> exactly. we have mike barnacle with us. sam stein with us. joining us from london washington anchor for bbc world news america catty kay and in washington, d.c. columnist for world view al hunt. let's get to politics. funding for the department of homelands security runs out, mitch mcconnell has one vote to fund homeland security, a clean bill followed by another to stop the president's executive actions on immigration. >> i don't know what's not to like about this. this is an approach that respects both points of view and gives senators an opportunity to go on record on both. both funding the department of homeland security and expressing their opposition to what the president did last november. >> however the deem was not immediately embraced by house

republicans who are expected to hold closed door meetings this morning. senate minority leader harry reid jumped into the fray saying before they support mcdonald's plan, they want assurances the house will pass a clean dhs bill. >> to have senator mcconnell just pass the ball over to the house isn't going to do the trick. i'm waiting here from the speaker. we have to make sure we get a bill to the president. not that we send a hot potato to boehner. >> you know, mitch mcconnell promised he would make it work. reid is making mcconnell look really good. i don't know how. he's found a way to be more divisive. >> mcdonald is saying you want a clean bill i'll give you a clean bill of course when he's doing that he is making a lot of house republicans angry. al hunt real quickly in washington if that's okay. and we go to kristjan sen.

al hunt first to you, i was doing some reporting of this a couple weeks ago, spoke to a top leadish in the house of representatives. he said, listen we passed our bill. let the senate pass tear bill. then we go to conference. we're not going to let harry reid tell us how to run the house over the next two years. i sort of dismissed it said that's what they would say. so here's harry reid two weeks later, he gets a clean bill. now he says we will not vote for a clean bill until we get to run the house and tell john boehner what they have to pass. it's convoluted. even when we have a clean bill for the dhs. >> well welcome to the world of the senate where you need 60 votes to pass and harry reid is doing what the republicans did the previous two years. >> what does harry reid want to do al? >> he wants them to scream uncle

and say, "we surrender," which they ultimately are going to do joe. >> they already have a clean bill, right? >> that's right. now the house will have to do the same thing. the only question is whether they do it by friday or get a majority republican. the republicans have been hurt by this. what mcconnell did yesterday was to rescue them from a really self inflicted wound. it's also interesting to see even on the other part of the bill which is to undo obama's executive action. that i have now backed down on undoing the dreamer's act of 2012. this has not been a winning issue. >> no, it's been a losing issue. you are right, mitch mcconnells a rescued the republican party from a possible shutdown on isis. but again, i don't understand if harry reid and the democrats get a clean bill. >> what's to complain about? >> are the democrats so stupid to think they can play this out if they get a chance to vote on the clean bill and they decide

to filibuster that? i don't think they are. >> i don't think they are either. >> that would not be a smart strategy. they got. i think harry reid was postured. it looked like he was about to get in the ring with floyd mayweather. >> now, now, stop that al. >> i think he was postureing. >> okay. >> but isn't the more substantive question the way what the house will do if and when the senate passes the clean bill? >> the senate can do what it does. >> senator ted cruz. >> beating harry retoyed death. >> we're not beating him to death. he beat himself to death. i'm. >> i'm turning the other side of the issue. let's assume they bass the clean bill, what happens in the house? you have a bunch of people that do not want to pass the clean bill. >> what will probably happen is they will pass a bill that's not clean and they will do what skong supposed to do go to congress it will ends up looking like the senate bill. don't you think so? >> i hope so.

yeah. >> let's bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent kristjan sen, what's the white house strategy in these negotiations? >> reporter: i think they have a three of part strategy here mica. one is kind of stay out of this negotiation. they agree gree with harry reid. they think that they've got the upper hand. they think that this is likely going to work out. all tow, whether it works out before there has to be a cr is another question altogether. the other two parts of this strategy really is about messageing. one is central to this immigration. as you know the president will go down to miami later today. he will hold a town hall. when you ask any member of his cabinet or a senior administration official what's his message, it's very simple. i'm not backing down. you've heard the president say this before that he thinks he's got history and the law on his side. so that's going to be his big message tonight and then some other senior administration officials are going to be going to los angeles on sunday which has the largest number of

undocumented immigrants who would be affected by the president's 2014 ruling. then the final part of this argument really is while there is never a particularly good time not to fund the department of homeland security. it's a bad time. it's an argument it's a little bit harder when you try to say that national security will be threatened because the 200,000 dhs workers will go to work him you doenl want to suggest they will not do tear job, they will let national security go by the wayside because they're not getting a paycheck. but they will continue to put these messages out here over the next critical hours and in the meantime you got dhs sort of preparing. >> all right. kristjan sen thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. obviously, mica the white house, a lot of concern about the federal judge's ruling issuing a stay and very concerned not what happens with the dc circuit. they think they may win there, what ultimately happens when

it's an appeal left up to the supreme court. i think this battle has a long way to go. >> in terms of dhs funding, whether they will work a week or two after without pay. i think that's beside the point. they should not be playing football politically with this, either side. i wonder now if the democrats are shooting themself in the joining us on the phone, the former director of homeland security michael chertoff. good to have you on board, sir. >> good morning, everybody. >> mr. secretary. thank you very much. i'm sure you will be listening to us talking about how the department of homeland security has been a political football that republicans and now democrats seem to be tossing around. what are your thoughts? how dangerous is this? >> i think this is a big mistake. let me step back a little bit. there are issueles of principle. what they seem to be doing now is a lot of ego and paging in politics. the issue of principle as i understand that for many republicans the president's

unilateral action teams to go beyond what the law allows you to do. that's an issue which is now in the courts. that's a perfect opportunity for both sides to say, it's going to work its way up to the fifth circuit and maybe the supreme court. let's put that to one side and let's let the rest of the department function. and i hope that's what common sense whether prevail. >> catty kay, you have a question? catty from london. >> reporter: yeah michael ketteroff. i was wondering, did you say there was a time in which we could be having a reasonable discussion about funding for homeland security. which has become the third rail for american politics over the last few years. the trouble is this is simply not the way to have it. >> yeah i think that's right. obviously in the last couple years, there has been a budget for the first time a budget clamp down. that has resulted in people looking at some of the spending in particular, some of the grants that have gone to state and local government that were very, very significant amounts, six, seven years ago, have been

cut back. but again, this is not the occasion in which people are looking at specific spending items. what they're doing is playing all or nothing and the truth is nothing would be a disaster because within a matter of days some of the basic maintenance, the basic management which is necessary to make your department function would no longer be funded and that would start to create problems. >> sam stein is with us in washington. sam, do you have a question? >> yeah i wanted to piggyback on what you said. you do hear people talk about while a shutdown would be bad, it wouldn't be catastrophic because people would have to work as employees, obviously without pay. about 85% of the operations would continue as if nothing happened. what specifically would be at risk here? what would be the biggest problematic losses in your mind in the wake of a shutdown? >> well, i've lived through a few of these. and it is true that you can survive two or three days and it doesn't make that much of a

difference. but what happens when you get beyond that is first of all, spending on things like maintenance, acquisition of management. >> that has to stop. so that begins to set back your acquisition program. you are getting new technology, you are deploying new technology maintaining the technology. even the people on the very front line continue to work they don't have paychecks. over a period of time that begins to damage morale. you may even start to lose people. so that your ability to plan your ability to actually maintain is hampered. the assistance you gave to state and locals what you do if you have an mortgages, like you impart to the country with the snow. >> that funding gets cut off. those people wind up not getting any federal assistance. so this goes on for more than a couple of days. it begins to have real impact on the lives of ordinary americans. >> michael chertoff, thank you so much. we appreciate it.

>> what will americans do and why? >> again you got the republicans playing games at first. most americanings would think, if you look at the polls and how harry reid possibly doing it. i think they will come to pass really quickly today. i find it hard to believe that they won't but for this. but what will americans think in the age of isis playing games with important homeland security? >> once again, both sides approving, the vast majority of the american public these people can't do tear job. they are literally in this case playing with people's lives, tsa agents. we're not talking about people who work at a hedge funds, they're supposedly if they go on strike, rather if there is no bill funding them they have to work through no pay. you are forcing people to work with no pay. i want to see a member of the house and senate go out pay. they live paycheck to paycheck.

this is just another outrage. >> catty kay, i'm sure many people if britain can't understand this style of politics where you actually have a r have america defunding the department of homeland security. again as isis exploesd across the middle east. >> you know just the comment, they can't understand it legislatively. let's face it it's very complicated. what they can't understand is how adrift america seems at the moment in terms generally of its foreign policy whether it comes to what to do about syria a year-and-a-half ago, what to do about isis at the moment. what to do about ukraine. there is an unease in europe at the moment and amongst america's allies about a lack of leadership. like it or not, we are living in the world where america a superpower, people turn to washington for some kind of guidance. that i figure out what they are dishing out is confusion. that makes it hard for allies to sign on.

if you are getting a poles that looks confused. unthought out, contradictory at times, why on earth as an allie would you sign on to that? that's an overriding feeling in europe, you can't rely on america. we don't know what they want. so we would be wary of signing up to what america's policies are. >> as catty says you and i have heard, from democrats who said we will get more involved. we talk about sunni states more aggressively involved, we just don't know if we're going to get out in front and whether america is going to be behind us or fought. catty is hearing that in you're. we're hearing that in the middle east. >> all right. before we go to break. let's go to texas. for the man who killed american smierk chris kyle and friend looking at life behind bars with no parole. the jury convicted eddie ray routh of capital purchased t. former marine walked quietly as

the jurors announced their unanimous decision t. defense arrange youed routh diagnosed with psychosis and schizophrenia not guilty by reason of insanity. came considered the most lethal sniper in u.s. history and chad littlefield were shot and killed by routh at a shooting range in 2013. littlefield's mother wiped away tears as she paparazzied the verdict. >> we just want to say we've waited two years for god to get justice for us on behalf of our son and as always, god had proved to be faithful and we are so thrilled that that we have the verdict, that we have tonight. >> right now msnbc legal analyst lisa green. so lisa says they're going to appeal the verdict and we were talking about this before about whether it would work or not. you got the jury taking a break

to watch the academy award about "american sniper," obviously it played a big role, a lot of questions whether this guy could have ever gotten a fair trial and as you pointed out, it only took them three hours and they had a dinner break in the middle of the three hours. >> you know his lawyers are going to appeal. that's his right a. very tough road to hoe. they tried for a change of venue, they were unsuccessful. legally, if these two victims were anonymous do-gooders i still think we would have seen the same outcome. why? because in texas the road to acquittal by insanity grounds is incredibly hard. paint a picture of a man not a troubled veteran, a skids friendic who deserved percy at a mental institution but a conniveing stoned cold blooded murderer. the jurors obviously bought that and that's why i think you know

we see the record result in record time. the compliments of pop culture and the criminal justice system really an extraordinary thing. >> will the appeals court look to the fact that the substance of the underlying case on whether the guys a any chance to be acquitted in a fair trail? >> t they can appeal on the grounds, for example, that the judge paid the wrong decision and should have moved the case out of this small town. >> lisa, why would they have moved it out of this small town? >> this is the hometown of the victims. you got a state, texas, that has declared chris kyle day. honestly at this point it's a nationwide phenomenon. they agreed to do their duty and put that aside and really again on the law, if we had

substituted defendants who didn't have the storied history, you might have seen the same outcome, just really really tough to get an acquittal ocean of insanity in texas. >> lisa green, thank you very much. still to him co darryl issa and joachim castro and governor george pataki is spending time in new hampshire. we will ask him, plus he's written a script for movies "game change" and "the butler," the latest hot fox series "empire," and tom hanks and tom brokaw on our set in the 8:30 half hour. you are watching "morning joe." woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options.

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joining us from capitol hill republican congressman darryl issa of california.

good to have you on the show this morning. >> mr. chairman, thank you so much for being here. what is the likelihood of the senate passes a clean bill and today or tomorrow next couple of days it will follow? >> reporter: it's a deal breaker for harry reid. >> harry reid likes the idea that he is in cardinal. i expect they pass a clean bill and toss it back to the house. the house believes very strongly when the president said his actions he is now taking he couldn't take under the law. >> right. >> along with a federal judge that we need to address that. that we can't have a president who says something is not legal. he doesn't have the authority and have a federal judge agree with him. >> right. >> yet he still wants to go ahead as we speak. >> obviously, the president changed his mine. what are you going to do?

>> we have a right to fund or not fund anything. vr time they talk about the shutdown, they point to the power of the purse. the power of the purse says we want you to do and we will fund 100% of keeping america safe and we won't fund visas and work permits for illegal immigrants. it's that simple. it's a straight forward understanding. he has no authority to grant work permits, therefore, we will not fund granting work permits for people unlawfully here. we are happy to do immigration reform. we have to be a willing partner. >> so the your analysis where you stand right now the house will not pass a bill that's sent over that doesn't defund this portion of the president's executive action? >> well funding and you know earlier, one of your folks were saying that people would be working without pay. that's just not true. as you know joe the fact is in every shutdown or partial

shutdown 100% of workers will be made whole. so they will be all paid. >> i'm asking, though, i'm trying to physical out and let the viewers understand what will happen if the senate basses a clean bill do you think the house passes a clean bill or do you think that you guys will probably pass something that will acquire you guys to go to conference? >> well, i don't know if we'll go to conference, but right now, the speaker has said he is staying with needing to make sure the president's unlawful act is not funded. again the president would like funding for longer than that federal judge's stay may be in effect. joe, if i had my driters, druthers i would pass the gowdy bill to go to the court and let the courts resolve it. right now, that's not in the law and the president is not likely to want to sign something that lets us go to court. >> so darryl,ly have this question the last government

shutdown obviously, hurt the republicans, if you look at the polls right after. i think it changed a lot of the primaries. you look at the poll numbers, republicans take the blake 221. even if you think it's the right thing to do is this the smart thing to do politically? >> back to '94, are you going to do the smart thing or the right thing? the fact is we like winston churchill have to do what we think is right. the consequences aren't always a positive election. to do the right thing for the american people as best you can is what we are sworn to do. not to do what is politically expeddient. i think we can get a deal. the president has been has to be willing to stay for a period of time. this initiative that he took on after the last election of his party during his presidency. he didn't take it on at any reasonable time. >> class of '94, i can tell you,

pictures charged before we fixed out there were smarter place to do it. >> darryl thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> it doesn't look mica right now as if you take what the chairman and john boehner says the speaker of the house, they are going to back down. >> yeah i just wonder where this impasse actually who it hurts politically. it was kind of a school of thought almost the republicans would be blamed for this. i think the tables are turning. >> i do too. i think harry reid is mud in the water. there are a lot of senate democrats, it's hard to find a senate democrat off camera that doesn't tell they're enamored with harry reid's leadership. i think most of the democrats will vote to pass a clean bill. if that happens, it turns, mike to the republicans. it doesn't look like they are talking about backing down at all. >> well, if mitch mcconnell has

turned the tide in terms of his operative of clean bills. members like republicans members of the house like darryl issa do a pretty good job of turning it back when he treats fought beinged by a so cavalierly as they did. he will eventually be made whole. >> they will go out pay for several weeks at least. >> look what i heard him say was the house is not going to pass this clean bill. they are going to try to get the president to come to the table at the end and hold back on his executive order. i don't think that will happen. >> all i will say is i'm glad right now i'm not john boehner. >> he needs to pull back. >> he will have a rough ride. >> let's bring in democratic congressman joachim castro of texas. it's good to have you on board. i don't know if you were able hear the conversation we just had. >> i was. >> senator harry reid at this point is he muddying the water in terms of what will have the political fallout if dhs has to

close? >> i think he is probably waiting to make sure that both republican leaders agree with the deal that's being made over there. you know we have seen in other instances where speaker boehner seemed to have an agreement with the president, for example, then couldn't deliver on that agreement within it came time to deliver the vote. so i think he's wary of something falling apart and having to scramble at the end to readjust once the republicans readjust their strategy. >> if the senate passes the bill clean, that's their job. it's up to the house to worry about their job, right? >> oh, sure joe, believe me i think they should pass a clean bill. i know there are many in congress with the president's action. i think they should have an opportunity to express that and vote on. that i think the house should do the same ting. this is what should have happened to prevent the government shutdown a year and a quarter ago. so i'm glad in a sense that cooler heads seeming to prevailing. it looks like that will be

happening this saturday. >> whether or not he gets the answers he wants in terms of assurance, all will go well. do you think the senate should pass a clean bill? >> i think all of us should pass a clean bill sure. >> is harry reid being helpful to the process right now? >> well i think he realizes. believe me, i think he can speak for himself. i think he realizes he is no longer in charge of the chamber. republicans control both side of the chamber. how he reacts will in part be related to what they do. >> i'm asking you to speak for yourself. i'm wondering if what you are saying is constructive at this point? >> i think there should be a vote on a clean bill. i think they should also get a vote, republicans should get a vote on whether they agree with the president's action or not. >> congressman, it's wednesday morning. is this the first day of the week the house of representatives will meet in session? >> today women, we met yesterday evening, but today

will be the first full day of committees and house votes and all that sure. >> do you think it's odd at any level that you are going to put in maybe a two-day workweek maybe a three-day workweek and you will vote to take people's pay away tsa agents who work a full week. do you find anything weird, bizarre, odd about that? in there absolutely. you know i have been something who has been saying since i got here in 2013 we should be working more days throughout the year. we work by my count 98 days last year. it's 130 this year. so i think we should be here longer. i was one of the folks that gave up a big part of my salary for the time that we were shut down if 2013. so i couldn't agree more. >> i never understood. the schedule is so maddoning. i am sure the congressman agrees with me where a lot of times you will have a vote late tuesday night on a couple of post offices and then you will vote wednesday. you have votes on the morning

thursday and take you a. i never understood why they weren't more efficient with tear time. you were there two or three months. you work the districts, sort of the back and forth and back and forth. >> congressman, thank you very much. >> thank you congressman. >> good luck. much more "morning joe" in just a moment. we asked people a question how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40 $53, $21, do you think the money in your pocket could make an impact on something as big as your retirement? not a chance. i don't think so. it's hard to imagine how something so small can help with something so big. but if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time,

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. >> all right out of the washington post "mein kampf" a historical tool it blocked distribution the copywrite expires. they say it will be filled with is-torical context. others feel it allows the dictator's voice to rise from quote beyond the grave. that's an interesting issue. catty kay before you go tanks for being on from london tell us final to the, you are covering the girls that from ed from syria to join isis. >> it's strange. you come into europe because you feel so many closer to the middle east. it's a five-hour flight from here to turkey. that's exactly what those girls did. they crossed now over into syria and automatic expectations are

they have fallen into the hands of the islamic state. syria couldn't look sadder with the christian abducted and three young girls, really the question for europe i think is how do we stop it? how do we stop three 15 16-year-old girls like our daughter's age mica being enticed online into some life that you know is just going to be awful for them and how does europe deal with that? not just with the young men who are going. now young girls going, too. >> absolutely heart breaking. catty kay, thank you very much. talk to you soon. up next nicholas kristoff explains why he is using the words most columnists steer clear of. i was wrong. he'll tell us what about and why next on "morning joe."

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so it's documented. >> this is good. >> on the right wing republican stage. i read this article by nick kristoff the other day. i've always believed even tow there are crazy work force rules and things like unions have been excessive, mica i have always believed that the decline of the middle class could be tied to the decline of unions. when you have 7%. 8% of the work force in unions when you have ceo pay going up to record heights, you will have a hollowing out of the middle class. that's one of the things. so nick kristoff wrote a great column. we want to give you that. >> he joins us on set. it's good to have you. >> it's good to be with you. >> so should i read the excerpt from straight talk for white men? >> sure. >> all right. it's like many americans, i have been wary of labor unions full time union stage hands at carnegie hall earning $400,000 a

year, a union hailing the defense of a teacher who smelled of alcohol and passed out in class with the principle unable to rouz her. i disdained unions as bringing crucian, nepotism and rijd work rules. i was wrong. the abuses are real. but as unions wane in american life it's also increasingly clear that they were doing a lot of good if sustaining piddle class life especially the ones that are waning. >> are you surprised to hear a columnist say testifies totally wrong? >> what i'm surprised is columnist for the "new york times" wasn't a huge fan. i think that actually explains in part what the unions problems were. they were seen as being excessty. i wonder if we have thrown the baby out with the bath water. >> the corruption the rigid work rules, carnegie hall stage hands getting $400,000 a year.

>> come on. >> i think it's a great challenge for the american economy is in equality. and it is clear that they were especially for men were a major buttress of support tack middle class. research suggests that one-fifth at least maybe as much as one-third of the increase in inequality among men is due to the decline of unions to blow 7% of the sector. >> we talk of it since fine 71 real wages for men, middle class men, working class men have declined. you can look at union membership over the same time there has been an equal decline. >> while there is no doubt the abuses are real if you look historically at the highest point for unions was in 1940s and 1950s. it was a period of events. >> they came for more. >> yes. >> steve radner. >> look i think it's very complicated. i was a member of the union, the newspaper guilds for eight.5

years. i was involved if restructuring the autos from the other side of i. i agree with you, when unions focus on getting paid for their workers, having their workers freed, they're a positive force. unfortunately too often often that has not been the case. if you were in charge of paper, if you were in charge of computers, you couldn't touch pencils him we had the jobs bank people got paid 95% of their salary when they were laid off. one of the things the union did which i thought was egregious is their business. we said there is only so much money we have to pay you guys. their decision was, everybody is here now is going to keep everything they got. the people come in the new people at the bottom will get paid half as much. >> nick that sounds like the complaint about teacher's unions, where the best are, a lot of times the first to be

fired. >> i think public sector unions are more complicated, i think. and they have had much less of a decline over time and you know there are real issues with public sector unions behaving in destructive ways towards public policy at times. >> you know i suspect, nick i'm a little like you, i have this romantic idyllic vision in my head of unions i see is uaw marching in solidarity with martin luther king. you mentioned public sector unions. it has been mystifying to me more and more cities and states have been put under the fiscal thumb because of public unions contracts and have you the ultimate conflict of public employee union reps sitting across the table from elected officials barring anything their contracts when they're going to do nate or not donate to the campaign. i'm wondering if you think there is anyway to avert that kind of conflict going forward? >> you notice i started out

blaming the public sector unions for this essentially for politicians compensating public sector employees not recurrent pay but providing contingent huge pension responsibilities that would saddle future administrations. >> like they're dealing with new jersey right now. >> what is happening all over the country, what i was told is this happens just as much where those workers are not represented by collective bargaining units and pacific, this is mostly a function of a failure of politicians rather than than an aggressive strategy of the public sector unions. but i don't know. >> nick kristoff, thank you very much, great piece. up next danny strong joins us the co-creator and executive producer of the hit series "empire" which is getting rave reviews. we'll be right back.

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"empire," the fox drama is smash hit for 2015 and breaking ratings records. >> incredible. obviously we've heard that network series are a thing of past. huge. you guys got over 13 million viewers last wednesday. >> uh-huh. >> for the first time since nielsen started tracking total audience, you're the first show ever to gain in your first six episodes episodes. that's crazy. that's called word of mouth. that's big. >> yeah. >> and danny strong, creator and executive producer. what say you? >> i don't know. incredibly exciting. each week numbers go up and send text messages around now emode kons of crazy, crazy, crazy. >> did you write tonight's episode? >> i did. i wrote and directed -- what do do you? >> i don't vacation. so, yeah. kind of a workaholic. >> you've got to tell everybody how you prepared for this? >> how did i prepare for this? >> we asked if you went around

did you research? go out, hang out in clubs? what did you do? you said actually you stayed at home and looked at a certain star on youtube? >> well, right before i started to write the first draft of the pilot i had this moment of crisis of oh wait. i have no idea what i'm doing. completely insane. >> that happens here. >> how did i end up here at this moment i'm going to write a hip-hop saga. i started watching kanye west interviews, and i watched about 45 minutes of kanye west interviews and at the end of those 45 minutes i thought, i'm good. i'm ready to do this and then i went and wrote the first draft of the pilot. >> the bigger question how do you sit through 45 minutes of kanye -- >> fantastic, actually. >> really? >> what was fantastic? >> he's an incredible personality? >> what? >> an ibncredible personalities. >> your daughters would say he's cray cray? >> really? >> incredibly talented what drew you to -- >> basically driving around in

my car in l.a. and there was a news clip on puffy. and i just thought to myself hip-hop's crazy and amazing and dynamic and charismatic. i should do something in hip-hop. literally that simple. thinking that that world is a really dynamic world in which kwuv got you've got musicians, all this money, personalities. >> but not your world. you hang out with dorks that look like us. like -- halperin--hall -- he's hip-hop. >> who did you imagine on the other side of the screen watching? who are you putting on the other side of the camera? >> as far as the audience? >> the audience. >> i wrote the movie "the butler" and i remember our tracking when that movie came out it was tracking at $$$14

million to $15 million. i learned out they're not good at tracking african-american audiences. there's something about the tracking process where they're not able to figure out what african-american audiences are going to watch. i thought, if we make this show, we can appeal to an african-american audience that's completely underconserve punderserved and hip-hop. a cross-appeal to it. we could do really well with a multirange of audiences. >> are you imagine your african-american audience investment bankers going home or people really inhipinto hip-hop? >> hip-hop is extremely popular and crosses over. i thought, we could appeal too anyone who not just digs hip-hop but if we do a really good soap opera, people who -- >> you're like a savant and -- i

wrote the movie "the butler." i wrote the encyclopedia britannica. it's like an aside. >> who listens to hip-hop? everybody. it crosses all demographics. we passed what the 35th anniversary of "purple rain "and i remember driving through movie theaters in pensacola, and there were lines around and i was looking and noticed even then back in '85-86 you had black moviegoer, white moviegoer, black -- about the same time that michael jackson exploded with "thriller." >> yeah. >> suddenly you're thinking, wait a second. you know? >> absolutely. >> to cross over you make lots of money. you get lots of viewers. >> the goal was to do a great show exciting. >> you're an artist. i understand. i'm talking about the money >> i know you're an artist danny, but it is pretty remarkable you struck a cord. you don't see numbers like this.

>> yeah. the numbers have been staggering and it's just been extremely exciting. no one really understand them at this point anymore. we're kind of rolling with it and tonight's the episode i wrote and directed and i feel it's a lose-lose situation. either the numbers go up no one cares or the numbers go down and i screwed up. >> it's time. >> time to let it go. let the numbers go. >> okay. "empire" wednesdays at 9:00 p.m. eastern on fox. danny strong it is always good to see you. you need to come back. >> any time. >> we'll do therapy. up next a look at the man who's become known as the top jihadi recruiter. live to the pentagon with nbc's jim miklaszewski and joined by tom hanks and tom brokaw. their latest efforts to remember and honor the greatest generation, and the award the two received last night for their work. we have a packed hour ahead on "morning joe." stay with us.

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to join the islamic state. british police say the girls who are 15 and 16 years old are likely no longer in turkey and have crossed into syria. turkey claims it would have acted sooner to find the girls but uk officials waited three days to inform them about the teens, scotland yard says that is not true and authorities are looking at links between the three girls and a teenage girl from scotland who is now a top recruiter fore erer for isis. started as a teen. incredible story. >> a story, mike barnicle of a girl, right here, of a girl that that well behaved. a great student. >> middle class. >> middle class. really well liked. took care of her younger siblings. devoted daughter read "harry potter" and now is the top

recruiter for western girls. >> and snared these girls in syria, and part of her scenario involves encrypted media back and forth on the internet and seemingly governments can't crack the encryption doed get in there. >> this recruiter left her home in 2013 described as extremely popular, very normal. aspiring pharmacist or doctor. took care of her kids her grandparents, and i mean no sign i guess, is the point. >> listen to coldplay read "harry potter." >> that's any girl it is. officials are sas isis kidnapped at least 150 people from christian villages in northeastern syria following raids there. their rein of terror across the middle east continues and now seem to be more focused on christians. go to the pentagon right now. nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jik miklaszewski.

what's the pennell saying about the latest kidnappings? >> talk about the female recruiting for a minute. one of the issues the newly arrived secretary of defense carter raised this past weekend. we're seeing out of isis a lot of terrorism in terms of reaching out beyond syria and iraq is social media driven. and according to counterterrorism officials here in the united states we heard yemen, al qaeda, urging any lone wolfs in united states here to attack malls and one of the growing more serious threats, of course to the u.s. homeland and quite frankly, some of our other allies. isis in general, they say, the larger isis somewhere between 20 and 30 is still confined primarily to sear yae andyria and iraq but concerned about this social media phenomena. >> funny -- not funny --

"atlantic republican input out a great story earlier this month, talking about how the threat may have -- online threat may be exaggerated. we talked to richard engel earlier this morning. that didn't seem to be his belief and sounds like people at the pentagon aren't thinking it's exaggerated either. that is a real threat and you see in this case it's really having an impact. turn to christians kidnapped. the rein of terror continues. what's the response from the pentagon? >> reporter: some officials here at the pentagon will tell you that that's a result of some of the successes. i know on the surface it doesn't appear much progress has been made in terms of u.s. air strikes, but for months the isis had been throwing their, their fighters at qabani three on the turkish border and u.s. air power looked down below, see them coming and take them out, as one u.s. official called it quite frankly, it's been a

slaughter house. those isis fighters were sitting ducks to the u.s. air strikes. so once they finally figured out they aren't going to make any progress at qabani like most terror groups they're going to those areas least protected, and anybody in the military or counterterrorism will tell you you cannot protect all potential targets all the time. so they're going at the soft targets. the soft spots. the underbelly, which, of course, garners pretty sensational headlines. >> yeah. while we you have mik, talk about the veterans affairs secretary. robert mcdonald a story pe started with yesterday. how's the backdrop criticism claimed about his past falsely, claiming he serving in special forces? he served in the 82nd airborne division and spoke to reporters in front of the department's headquarters and here's what he said. >> in an attempt to connect with that veteran, to make him feel comfortable, i incorrectly

stated that i, too, had been in special forces. that was wrong. and i have no excuse. my big evidence motivation was to connect with the veteran. it was a misstatement. it was a mistake. >> mik, you were there. what do you make of this? >> i got a sense he was pretty much remorseful for what he said and his record doesn't show he made any previous such claims. stow was -- he acknowledges it was a pretty dumb thing to do. the mistake he made initially was not getting out in front of and realizes i wasn't in special forces. i have to correct that but as soon as it came out, he aggressively came forward and apologized for it. but as the day wore on and he went before the american legion convention here in washington, d.c., later in the day, they weren't the least bit interested in claiming he was special forces. they were more interested in fixing the damned system at the v.a. their complaint. very angry, and if you watched

his body language, he couldn't wait to get off that stage. he grabbed his materials and said, got to go and practically ran off the stage confronted by those angry veterans. a much bigger problem for him. >> wow. nbc's jim miklaszewski, thank you very much. >> if he's actually looking to tackle the bigger issues. >> frustrating. >> sounds like -- it sounds like this problem that he had yesterday is really going away pretty quickly. >> it seems to me to be different than anything we've seen. he had cameras on him, being interviewed by cbs. it was an aside and it was wrong. no question, but i don't think it's going anywhere, nels for some unless for some reason kashgs coughny, other casss come up. benjamin netanyahu declined an invitation to meet with senate democrats during his upcoming trip to washington. in a letter obtained by reuters the prime minister responds to an invite by senators dianne

feinstein and dick durkinbin. i greatly appreciate your kind invitation to meet with democrat senators i believe that doing so at this time could compound the misperception of partisanship regarding my upcoming visit. two weeks before israeli elections and amid ongoing nuclear discussions between the u.s. and iran supporters of the prime minister warned of political consequences for democrats that are thinking about skipping his address. this whole thing is a disaster. i think the republicans have been unbelievably divisive, as have you on this set. i'm serious. >> how have i been divisive? >> because you're -- all week long talked about -- talked out of both sides of your mouth about this. >> how that? >> this was a bad call. this is divisive by netanyahu and by the republicans and we saul should be transparent enough to say that. whether we like saying it or

not. it is wrong. tampering with an election in israel. tampering with politics here in america. undermining our president, all in one invitation. not good. bottom line. >> bill clinton -- bill clinton -- >> i don't care. >> invited over. a prnchts people insulted bush therefore you -- no, no, no. stop. you know this is wrong. you know this is wrong. >> i'm not saying that mika. all i'm saying is you're saying they're attempting with elections. it's happened before. >> i don't care. >> it happened before -- >> i don't care. >> -- when benjamin netanyahu was the opponent. >> that is not you saying this is right in contrast to me. you agreed this is wrong, and you're trying to cover up the fact that you agree with me with bringing up another bad case quite frankly, but this is tampering wit elections in israel. this is what weeks, days before an election in israel. this is totally divisive in terms of our politics here in

america. >> if they're offended by it then the israeli people cannot vote for benjamin netanyahu. if they're very concerned, right now, obviously, with the possibility of iranian nuclear program. >> so concerned -- >> you have a president, you have a secretary of state that they do not believe have the best interests of the israeli people in mind. you have anti-semitism sweeping across europe. people gunned down in kosher delis in paris because they're jewish. people gunned down outside of synagogues in copenhagen. >> you're great at what you do joe, but you don't think netanyahu made the right call here? >> great at telling the truth and putting myself in the place of the israeli people at a time -- just as i was, may i add last summer -- putting myself in the place of palestinian people when i was critical of the bombing of gaza and the way it was undertaken. >> please don't. >> don't say i'm just looking at this blindly. right now the greatest threat to peace in israel in the middle east, and in the world is not

isis. it is iran getting a nuclear weapon. and if you have an israeli prime minister and the israeli people who are concerned about that, because the iranians have said mike, they were going to wipe israel off the face of the earth, who are we to judge? >> no. do you think john bane shoeroehner should have issued this invitation without the president? yes are no? >> who are we from the villas of france or of the sets in "morning joe"? >> another thought. the election tampered with is the election that is taking place here in the united states in a year and a half. that's the election that is being tampered with because benjamin netanyahu is now aligned himself with the speaker of the house of presentatives who apparently thinks he can have a republican foreign policy operated out of the house of representatives. >> okay. >> and undermining the president of the united states.

move on to new jersey. governor chris christie paying back into the new jersey pension system. >> can you calm now? okay? better, not? >> it's just a lot of words. a lot of words. >> what do you mean? >> you have -- you just come out with a lot of words. >> a lot of facts, actually. >> no, actually -- it's convoluted. >> did the -- have the iranians said they were going to wipe israel off the face of the earth? yes or no? >> i will answer your question when you answer mine. >> that's a yes. >> do you in is was a good idea for john boehner to undermine the president, not inform him and issue this invitation to benjamin netanyahu? >> i already said it didn't work out the way it should have worked out. that said he has a right to come and we'll see what happens with democrats in congress. >> this is why i like working with you, because you're frustrating, but it's fun. >> because it's true. and the governor of new jersey fast forward to monday a

subpoena court judge says the governor broke a law ordering the money restored. as the "new york times" points out, the framework of christie's new plan mimics the old with workers giving up benefits and the state vowing to pay in full. the republican governor eyeing a 2016 presidential run called his proposal a road map for hard working taxpayers. >> by putting forward new solutions to an age-old problem like this we are creating a national model. >> you know mike, a lot of people have been critical of chris christie. move chris christie to the side and not make it about chris christie and talk about what you were talking about nick kristof earlier in the hour talking about the pension systems that crippled state budgets, not just in new jersey but across america. this is a $1.6 billion problem and it's a problem that chris christie inherited, and it's a problem that the new jersey legislature has to tackle now.

>> state and municipal budgets throughout the country and cases like this in new jersey and massachusetts, in california where do you go to get that money? you can't go to the federal treasury. you can't look at the federal government it's a bank. you have to go to the residents of your state or city. what do they do in new jersey? what are the tolls going to be to make up the shortfall? $100 to get from new york to dell jair i don't delaware? i don't know. that's the only recourse. >> and states like california, new jersey illinois already so highly taxed, that you add state taxes and local taxes and federal taxes and a lot of small business owners are paying over 50% of all the money they make they work from january 1st through july 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th just to pay off taxes and now have to go again to bail out -- >> no mystery seeing rise lation in states like north carolina

texas, arizona, people fleeing high-tax states to seek affordable housing, jobs with a paycheck that isn't decimated by tax after tax after tax. >> awe look at taxes. half of the new jobs created in this country in the fast five six, seven year created in texas. there's the reason. look at other politics now. latest round of 2016 polling shows wisconsin governor scott walker trying to break away from the rest of the crowded gop field. he now stands at 25% in the new ppp poll and a 14-point surge from last month. >> from last month. >> the headlines were -- the headlines were can scott walker keep up with the big boys? can he answer questions? >> about whether barack obama's a christian, about evolution. >> sometimes -- >> about -- >> sometimes reporters get ahead of themselves. >> look at that, that is a 14-point jump. as we look at those numbers, it's hard not to believe as he surges past jeb bush it's hard not to believe that national

media didn't help him. >> yeah. and get it wrong in terms of their own projections. ben carson still holden and and strong 18% up three points from january. jeb bush not far behind at 17%. and good news for governor walker in iowa. the latest cue poll puts him at 25%. twice as high as his nearest rival, senator paul at 13%. >> man. >> carson and huckabee tide at 11%. jeb bush 10%. >> keep that up there. mike barnicle. >> yep there is -- >> there is no doubt the media's grilling on questions that republican voters thought were cheap shots have helped him skyrocket. >> he's skating his lane carved out a pretty good lane for himself. gone up 14 points nationally up to 25% in iowa as we just saw. it's really early, though joe. is it not? >> it is. >> i don't know what that number really means or will mean a year from now t. doesn't mean whole

lot, except for the fact he can show the polls, the fund-raisers and now if -- bill crisping, why are you writing checks to jeb bush? i don't know. because my friends -- happened with bob dole. everybody sort of rushed there. happened with george w. bush in 2000. happened in mccain in 2008. this happened obviously to mitt romney in 2012. somebody's projected as front-runner. people start blindly writing checks, because they want to be a part of the parade. don't want to be left behind. scott walker jumping up to 25%, at least gives some people pause to say, hold on one second. this may not be a coronation. the democrats coronating hillary. maybe we don't have to coronate jeb. maybe we can have a real primary. >> what happens in the cultural and political framework, the things average citizens are concerned about when the media

stops asking whether he believes president obama is a christian and starts asking about the world's most dangerous nation pakistan with a nuclear bomb? >> that's when if he bobbles the ball he loses. sarah palin had a big surge after the 2008 convention. she did very well. she started stumbling with questions on policy especially. you saw those numbers start to go down. if scott walker gets it right on questions like you said about pakistan, about isis if they start asking him about the shia and the sunnis and iraq how you mix it with -- and seems to have grasp on all of thez things they won't give a damn when he says about barack obama's faith. >> i actually think that the -- the reaction i felt inside to those questions were just as bad as the answer. i think the time is passed -- >> you think the questions were cheap shots? >> stop asking. if you need to ask, you need to question why you're asking.

>> speaking of politics -- sorry, go ahead, mike. >> how many people who responded to that poll johnny carson is running for president instead of -- >> now stop. still ahead this hour. >> by the way, george pataki was going to be here. apparently lost in a snow bank somewhere in new hampshire. a lot of snow. we sent out saint bernard's looking for him. and what they're saying about mysterious drones flying over the u.s. embassy and in toronto, who dug a 33-foot tunnel. >> the tour what? >> near the eiffel tower. >> you say in french. >> thought were you there. again. >> how did you pronounce it? >> she's there every weekend and starts speaking french. >> you speak french? [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> yes. plus, tom hanks and tom brokaw joining us here on-set. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. k of america to help pay for her kids' ice time. before earning 1% cash back

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time now to take a look at the morning papers. start with new jersey "star ledger." 15 people injured after a natural gas leak in new jersey caused by a blast that disintegrated one home and damaged several others. footage captured on police

dashcam shows the moments leading up to the explosion. >> oh! >> seven workers from new jersey natural gas. six firefighters and two emts injuredy yy yy arriving after a strong gas odor was smelled. electricity temporarily shut off for 300 homes at the investigation continues and it is amazing no one wag killed. >> absolutely amazing. so many working around that house. go to toronto. nbc news says toronto police are seeking answers on who dug a 33-foot tunnel found near a venue for this summer's pan-american games. very pritenning. no one inside at the time when discovered, there were signs of life. nine feet down. items included moisture re's zichblt light bulbs, work gloves a rosary and gas generator. toronto police say the tunnel isn't linked to terrorism or drug production. >> how could it not be?

>> how could it not be? >> i don't get. >> come on. >> that's like three minutes after a shooting in you know chapel hill. >> in north carolina. >> nothing to do with the fact they were muslim. joe, this is -- how do you make that determination? >> you can't. >> when people are digging -- >> we're just layman but, come on now. >> sounds like what's going on -- >> we'll have to follow that. afp. several drones. interesting and frightening. flew over paris overnight for a second night in a row. french officials have not identified who was piloting the drones or why. the first drone was seen flying over the u.s. embassy. and more were spotted flying above the eiffel tower, the louvre and the interior ministry. authorities have not yet commented on the investigation but are taking the incident extremely seriously following the recent attacks at "charlie hebdo." >> "time" magazine. new research suggests anger is not just bad for your relationship. but your health as well. according to a new study out of europe, those exhibiting

episodes of intense anger are nearly 9 times more likely to suffer from a heart attack within two hours of the incident. scientists found several people in the study reported anger levels exceeding 5 on a scale from 1 to 10 the two hours prior to their heart attack. more research is still needed. experts athe presence of stress can bring about heart attack symptoms. >> makes sense. maybe reconsider working with me on the show. it may not be good for your health. >> really? who's the one who's angry? >> you. >> really? >> the rage sun believable and makes me sad. sometime ice just want you to -- >> my rage? >> you know. every time do you that though i start meditating, and i -- you know -- >> i understand. >> i get my yoga mat out. that's the way i go to my happy place. >> i am so sorry. >> your anger doesn't infect my soul. go to the daily mail. putting an entire town up for rent. >> what? >> to raise money.

for about 700 euros, leaseholder can rent out all facilities in the town change the street names and become deputy mayor for a weekend. the lease also grants access to the town's bus stops, six horses and two cows. >> that's a deal. >> it's located at 110 miles south west of budapest and has a population of 18. >> i love it. now, from the "new york times," a strange twist inside the insider trading trial of one of brazil's richest businessmen after the judge was spotted driving the suspect's porsche. >> that's a problem. >> that is a problem. seized by police. the judge was filmed by a local newspaper cruising the luxury -- cruising the luxury car, says he was simply moving it to his buildings in-door garage from the impound lot. it wasn't damaged by the sun and rain. >> so caring of him. >> and benjamin netanyahu, he's a very caring man, like benjamin netanyahu.

still ahead, hillary clinton's message to professional women in silicon valley last night and why it may be a preview of an upcoming campaign theme. >> she had a theme? >> yes. a mechk andssage and theme, maybe. plus tom hanks and tom brokaw will be here. >> that's big. >> i'm inviting joe and barnicle. this should work. >> okay. we'll be right back. thanks for inviting me to come fishing. thank mary. speaking of mary, there's something i wanted to talk to you about. well, we've still got 11 hours til we stop. sir, your daughter and i we've been together for... feel that? 236 lb-ft of torque i have to ask you something. i think i know what it is. 44 highway miles per gallon. the volkswagen passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in and you can get 0.9% apr for 60 months on the 2015 passat tdi plus a $2,000 bonus.

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controlling this nap was tom hanks in the classic world war ii film "saving private ryan." the world war museum opened its doors, and become a treasured place to honor america's greatest generation. last night the museum continues its tradition of recognizing people who epitomize the characteristics on which its based honor, freedom and teamwork. giving their american spirit award to tom hanks and tom brokaw and they join us now. >> big stuff. >> congratulations. >> you guys -- which one is which? >> big awards. so you're hanks and you're brokaw. >> that's right. >> once the director of this show. remember that. so -- >> you guys have won big awards before. this one had to be special. >> well, when i look at tom these days i only think of david letterman saying thanks om. because he took -- he took the h from hanks and put it in thanks. >> haunts me the rest of my career. >> you're in great company and

said last night, that moment especially who was considered incredible company. >> every time we are, do something that's connected with the museum there's some fabulous 92-year-old man there that as soon as you look at medals on his chest you might see the inscription on his hat he becomes a 19-year-old kid or a 22-year-old kid that was dropped into normandy or was on the beach and iwo jima. you can't get past the fact those guy was there, and luckily they have entered a time where i think much of the work that tom does and some of the multimedia stuff that i've done has allowed the conversation to include them and they've been able to tell their story. >> i remember the night that we inaugurated this museum in 2000. he worked very hard on his speech i worked very hard on mine. we sat down brought up a d-day veteran wounded five times. baumgartner, remember? >> yes. >> and he took the room to deaf

silence and we both looked at each other and said that's why we're here. it's not about us. it's about him. what's really important now that these veterans are at this mortality stage in their lives and they need to know how much they're appreciated as they go away in this museum it's symbolic of what they did, and when people go there, it is a virtual experience for them. the airplanes, the virtual reality, the film tom has made which is an imax film theater shakes, you're under attack. it's a stunning place to go. it's now the fourth most popular museum in america. >> which is brags rights that we're going to take with us. >> really. >> take that louvre. >> exactly. it is the louvre by the way and the tour eiffel. >> my kids went there and were absolutely enamored. it's not just like history dorks like me. kids go there and are just pulled into it and, tom, the most incredible thing is they actually get to meet vets. >> uh-huh. >> talk to vets.

talk to people who were actually there. >> you know so up of the story that is told can be segregated to the mythology of it. you can talk about the coming end of the war in 1945 and by and large when you think about japan, you will think about the atomic bombs dropped, but they make a very specific and i think very gripping portrayal of the tokyo fire bombings. >> right. >> which killed over 100,000 people. as gruesome an event in the course of the war as any. >> right. >> and when you can add that concept and that detail to what is the mythological understanding and the easy kind of like my weekly reader version of condensed history, you're into a pretty good territory. >> let me ask you a question raising an important question for you as an artist.

we an sat and watched "band of brothers" about the same time 9/11 took place. cried our way through it and extraordinarily uplifting. then you see "the pacific." it's almost like you said wait a second. that was great. but i'm going to strip away some of the mythology of world war ii because maybe i glossed it up a little bit too much? because i thought when i was watching "pacific." you said, okay, he's trying to correct a bit here. >> well the thing about the european war is something we run into all the time. the geography is very understandable. you can see it out on a map and it all makes sense. everybody knows where the beach is. everyone knows where paris is. the road to berlin is something that comes off pretty fwhel a color-coded multimedia presentation. you tell me where the island of pale lu is? any ideas? we have a scene at the end of

"the pacific," a taxi drive sir bringing ben lucky back and won't take his money because he served in europe and at least he got to have r & r in paris, france where the guys in the pacific, they got to essentially take naked showers and sit on a coconut log and maybe watch a black and white movie with about 5,000 other guys. the cost of the two different, the details of the two different theaters are extraordinary and if i had to go back in time and choose which one i'd like to be i would have to serve in if i had to i think i would take europe than i would to be a marine in the pacific. >> yeah. >> and one of the most important points of the museum is the establishment of memory in people who have not been to the museum or younger people who don't know what war is all about. the memory of that war and the memory still lives today. you spoke to it last night briefly at the ceremony in that you grew up on a block where everybody on the block served

some part of world war ii. you grew up -- >> an army base. >> in the same area. so your mission to keep these memory ace liveies alive, how do you do that in a cull actual with such disparate -- >> find the human stories and tell them in a human perspective. that you talk about -- you know eugene college who wrote, perhaps the greatest combat memoir of all time wit old breeded pale lu in okinawa. eugene sledge went through two of the most prolonged battles. you think they landed in iwo jima. they fought there, for, what 65 days? >> 70 years ago this week. >> and he got through that without a scratch. he didn't have a single wound, where other guys around him, surrounded him were decimateed by gunfire, never came back. when you can tell his story from that perspective of when he's

back refuses to put on uniform again. has to sit out and do nothing for months and months and months on end to get not only the experience behind him, but also the realization that for some reason he came out of it without a scratch. i think you get into the humanity that relates to as much today, not just celebrating the nostalgia of hishistory. >> and tom, i'm studying this in my daughter's history class, how wartime has changed looking bat at the greatest generation but the bottom line for you, incredible, real stories of real, true human sacrifice? >> in a way i never anticipated. i was writing the book as a tribute thinking they would read it by and large, and in a way that is so gratifying to me is that through the generations now people are still coming up to me, the book has been out for 17 years at this point. >> incredible. >> still come out to me especially young women. tears in their eyes and said i

never understood my father until i read your book and those fathers saw sacrifice every day. lost their best friends in a foxhole right next to them and everyone sacrificed. here at home. farmers grew more ate less so troops would have what they needed. gasoline rationed. all in at that time all-in. and i said last night, when you're in the foxhole on a carrier on a submarine you don't turn to the guy next to you from a red state or blue state. got to figure if we can get along. it was monied people and kids come of working for a common goal. >> incredible though the people working for the common goal were 18? 19? i have a son now hoop 27 . who's 27. think about it. if you're -- you're charging the lips of normandy at 19. what do you do when you're 27? >> if were you a 28-year-old soldier, sailor airman they calmed you pops. how about that? 28. >> can you believe that? >> i know.

>> and yet like you say, when you talk to them now doesn't matter how old they are. they're still that 18 19 20-year-old that went through this. it's just -- >> also something else to say about this museum by the way. this is from the ground up. congress came and said we want to make it the official united states world war ii museum. we don't have any money for you. so part of what we did last night was raise some money and there have been very genre augs benefactors but this is another way the american people can doect that generation. by supporting that museum. and it is a national treasure. and i said at the outset i think tom agrees with me it took off in a way we could not have anticipated. >> and explain again why new orleans? >> pardon me? >> why new orleans? >> because the higgins boat was the original idea built there and stephen ambrose a professor at new orleans. there we are at one of the ceremonies. >> thought it would be some plywood boats in a -- in a -- in a cinder block warehouse. and we thought 2 was going to be

that and now it's -- >> i mean there are -- go to a virtual experience with a submarine under attack based on a real story. the air wing is phenomenal. all the world war ii aircraft suspended from the ceilings. you can see how primitive and how they flew. so it really is something that i don't have any hesitation about blowing the horn for. >> i love t. tom and i were able to spend the night in one of the b-17s hanging from -- it wasn't a great night. just put the picker claimed we had sandwiches, a little bucket. what a magic -- >> that magic moment. >> there's perks to this. >> a night with tom brokaw in an old plane. love it. >> that's right. >> tom hanks and tom brokaw you both have incredible careers and really made it your mission to tell the stories of the greatest generation. thank you so much for being on today. >> thank you. >> happy to do it. >> thanks for having us. much more "morning joe" in just a moment.

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president. >> look, if you don't tell anybody, i am obviously talking to a lot 6 people thinking through -- >> reporter: last time clinton played down her gender to prove she was tough enough to be commander in chief. this time she'll play up her gender focusing on equal pay for women, family leave. issues she's fought for all her life. >> we all cheered at patricia arquette's speech at the oscars because she's right. it's time to have wage equality once and for all. >> reporter: clinton is also trying to blunt criticism from liz weth bar elizabeth warren. >> i think that's what we've got to see. i'm going to hear what she wants to run on and what she says she wants to do. >> all right. andrea reports clinton is road testing themes of economic populism trying to appeal to liberal democrat whose wish they had more candidates to choose from. that's the problem i think she has to somehow contain and that

road testing ideas. she can't look like she's road testing ideas. she have to feel them. >> good message last night. patricia arquette's speech gender equal tinchts lines that like which i just read off a prompter. it's not you know -- it's not cool to be road testing an idea. does that make sense? >> yeah but she's looking like she's having a great time. and i'm sure that she's going to be ready to get out there when it's time to go but -- >> i've got to tell you, i say -- >> a powerhouse and i don't see any democrat that's going to be be -- going to challenge her. >> i don't either. it's great she has all the advisers coming to her. at some point i would tear off the veil and be herself and let us know who she is. >> she did that in new hampshire in 2008. >> exactly. >> remember that? that was amazing a. huge turnaround. >> we were blown away by her. >> she ran a great campaign. >> the real her. >> after iowa.

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>> good-looking dames on that set. especially like the one next to me. he's hot. >> yeah. a new twist on things. what did you learn today? >> knocked down but i can't understand why she talks like a woman and walks like a man. barnicle. >> you know, i learned that you get really revved up about benjamin netanyahu. >> no. >> i know. i think you're just so passionate about him. >> no. i'm not. >> i just wonder if you have this secret -- desire for him or something. >> oh, my god. that is desperation. okay? yes. it is. >> you get way too passionate. >> no. also i learned that sometimes during the south of france, you're there so much when you come back to the states you slip into speaking french. >> that does it for us here on "morning joe." if it's way too early what time is it joe? >> it's "morning joe," but stick around because we've got "the rundown" straight ahead. thanks for being with us. see you tomorrow, and thanks to tom hanks.

and good morning. i am jose diaz-balart live this morning from the campus of florida university in south florida, a special edition of "the rundown." in a few hours i will be joined by president obama for a telemundo and msnbc town hall. the president's stance on immigration. republicans who want to stop the president have been withholding homeland security funding. money runs out i