secret outlast clear gel

>> this is huge. >> you are getting -- how big is it? >> it's huge it's a sisterstar of

the view. >> it's as hard to on get her on the show as it is madonna. >> i call every night. i call every night. you need me? can i come play? >> it's like when you get madonna in the awards. it's great. >> i'm involved. >> sticks the landing. >> sticks the landing, it was pretty good. madonna is out there, she is how old? 78 79? looking at brittney spears in and, like, seriously. but you get her up on stage. it's kind of like churchill in the final years, you know? he just comes alive. she does too. here she is last night. "the material girl." oh, god, that's hard to watch. anyway. >>off had that problem, though, joe, when you wear a cape. >> i got to tell you my friends. when we go back to look at that that's not just any cape.

it's an armani cape. let me tell you, when i'm on nantucket and i'm going to the coffee shop because i got to get my coffee before i go over to the orphanage and take care of those poor kids i can't tell you how many times i have stumt bl stumbled on the armani cape before i fall over. you get it after your coffee then you got to get on the armani cape you got to go back in and you got to dry-clean. you've got to get some more coffee. you're late for the orphans. >> it's nice for giorgio to make yours in that nantucket red. preppy cape. >> if you see no madonna's cape. mine flipped it for me. >> did you ever shorten it though? remember when the guy stepped on it last summer and you had the tray of coffee for the orphans. >> awful. >> i think you would rock like a terry cloth cape.

kind of like doubling as a robe. >> you know what he actually has a velour cape. let's go right now to willie geist. he is tv's willie geist. loved him as kid, trust him as a mother he's here with a news. >> troubling warning here at home as you mentioned at the top. the u.s. tries to track down members and supporters of the islamic state. in a speech wednesday james comey says the agency is investigating sympathizer in all 50 states. it comes as three new york city men are in federal custody now for conspireing to support the militant group and suggesting shooting president obama. nbc's pete williams has the latest on this one. >> prosecutors say this is part of an alarming trend. people in the u.s. who become radicalized by social media and are willing to join with isis fighters overseas or to stay here and commit violent acts of jihad. at new york's kennedy airport fbi agents arrested a brooklyn man headed over seas to join isis fighters.

they accuse him of plotting with another brooklyn man to get to syria through turkey. authorities say if the men couldn't get there they talked of staging attacks here. perhaps planting a bomb at coney island or even trying to kill president obama or the police. >> it was made quite plain based on their own statements that if they were not able to go that they would seek to acquire weapons here handguns machine gun, and seek to attack very specifically police officers. >> reporter: the fbi says the case began last august when jaribi asked on a website whether he could be a martyr if he were to quote, shoot obama to strike fear in the hearts of infidels. investigators say even after he admitted post that message when fbi agents questioned him at his apartment in august he kept right on planning. the fbi says he e-mailed an isis supporter overseas about his parents saying i need to sneak out of here with extreme caution

without being noticed by them. the fbi says he was under close surveillance in brooklyn, meeting with someone he did not know was an undercover informant. >> they really make us question the approach that the federal government takes to young muslim men in america. >> reporter: prosecutors say a third man raised money to help the other two pay for their plane tickets. >> those people exist in every state. i have homegrown violent extremists investigations in every single state. >> the men arrested face charges of material support to terrorism. as for their plans to stage attacks here investigators say those never got beyond the talking stage that the men had no guns or explosives. joe? >> thanks so much pete williams in washington. willie, what was the lawyer saying? i question the approach of the attack towards young muslim men in america no why didn't he finish the sentence who were going to try to kill the

president of the united states and go to syria? >> these are not sympathetic defendants. if the allegations are true. they put an e-mail to their mothers. let's bring in former director of security intelligent operation for mayor rudy giuliani's office of emergency management. sal, good to see you this morning. how seriously do you take this threat from these guys some of whom were in brooklyn and how serious is the new york police department taking it? >> incredibly serious. obviously there were statements made they want to kill police officers. but the real question that we're going to be looking at is was this operational, was is a separational. the thing that we need to realize with everything that we have seen in the attacks that have occurred around the world is that that gap between being aspirational to operational is getting very small. >> sal, what do you look for in determining whether it's operational ors a aspirational.

>> looking for funding, capabilities. obviously we have motives, so you're looking at all of those type of things. but again, you know what they were talking about with getting themselves a weapon and going out and just shooting you don't need a whole lot of planning logistical support. that's one of the things the case is going to be looking at how many training did they get, how much operational support. in reality you don't need much. >> mike we saw that in boston. tragically, you don't need a lot. >> sal given the recent court decisions how difficult is it for the nypd to infiltrate these groups to gather intel on a day-to-day basis? >> obviously with the court we decisions it's hampered the investigations somewhat or the ability to get other lines of intelligence. but one of the things that we've seen that's been helpful is that the subjects of the investigations have made it rather easy. they've gone online. they're using social media.

there are other methodologies to identify and track them. in this particular case he was more than happy to sit down and talk to the fbi and tell them what his plan was. >> wow. sal, thank you so much. we really do appreciate you coming in this morning. >> thanks. the 100 plus isis recruits from the united states and thousands more from europe and arab states have one thing in common, they cross into syria from turkey. let's bring in right now nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent richard engel live in istanbul. yesterday morning we were talking about. this mike was asking you about what turkey was doing. the question this morning is is turkey doing all it can to stop the flow of terrorists into their country and into syria? >> well, this is the main transit route. and when this story about the three men from brooklyn broke yesterday i thought immediately, i'll bet your bottom dollar they were coming through turkey because as soon as isis burst on to the scene about a year ago,

this has been the main add get to the fight. this is the highway to jihad. almost all of the hundreds of foreign fighters who flock to syria to join isis sneak across turkey's border with syria. among them those three british teens who came through turkey last week. and the wife of one of the paris terrorists. the border stretches across 500 miles of hills and farmland. it's hard to patrol although turkey has now finally started pouring resources into fortifying it. but before reaching the border any would be jihadist has to pass through here istanbul international airport. it's one of the busiest in the world where turks will probably tell you east meets west. and that's really the problem. with so much traffic they can't stop everyone. officials hearsay they've put together a blacklist of possible extremists a list with 10,000 nachls provided by foreign intelligence agencies. but critics say turkey still

isn't doing enough. to answer your question earlier, is turkey doing enough the country's really divided. the government says it needs information and that as soon as it gets names, it will act on those names. turkey in addition to putting together that enormous blacklist has turned people away and has arrested people. the opposition however, says that turkey does a great job looking after political opponents, tracking down journalist, tracking down the kurdish opposition but doesn't take tracking down isis quite as seriously. >> richard, it's willie. we're going to pick up that point in a second. i do want to ask you about another disturbing report of number of christians abducted by isis in syria has jumped to 220. that's the latest number we're getting. what more can you tell us on this? >> what happened there is there was string of christian villages and a running battle has been

going between the christian defenders of the the village, christian militia men and isis. and it's been on and off battles since sunday and some of the people who were taken were the christian militia fighters. other people who were taken were their families women and children and isis is using them in part as human shields, in part to exchange them from some of its prisoners. so these people are captured as this ongoing battle that continues in an area where christians have traditionally lived for hundreds of years in syria. >> as you point out, women children, the elderly among those 220. richard engel, thanks so much for your reporting, as always. appreciate it. >> you know willie state side obviously we're all charred by what happened yesterday in brooklyn. new york city. you look at the front page of the papers man. it's a whole new world.

it's all they're talking about here. you can tell the fear that is umd gripping new york city when you look. this is reminiscent of a lot of the covers right after 9/11. you know those who frame them. >> you frame it. >> every time you walk past it you wipe a tear because this threat is perhaps one of the biggest, biggest threats. then let's go to "daily news" and this is really you know in old testament times, prophets would tear their shirt off, rip it, just like that man. you know who else was really struck by what happened yesterday. you know she said our world is never going to be the same. beyonce tore her shirt off right in public here. it's like she's up is it too. i mean this is a story, isis coming to new york city again that the newspapers have really, my god -- >> it's not like it happened

late. they broke in news. >> yeah. no this did not happen after print. >> they thought that through. >> we will, of course, follow those stories very closely. before we come to washington the stupid dhs funding fight, nicolle, let me ask you something. your former boss said you were either for us or you're against us you know at the time you took a lot of guf from a lot of people, a lot of elites for talking that way, for talking about wanted dead or alive, for talking about the evil empire. i'm just wondering whether we shouldn't start applying at least one of those tests to turkey. you're either for us or you're against us. you're either going to continue to let isis use istanbul and your borders to bring some of the most dangerous people in the world in to destabilize the middle east and to person people alive or you're going to stop it. so i don't know, using the george w. bush test is isis a

friend or an enemy? are they for us or against us? >> turkey you mean? >> turkey. >> so the bush doctrine i think this is what you're referring to has been pilar'd for folks who sat their tushies in this chair. but the premise certainly seems to make a lot of sense. as we look at with friends like turkey i'm not sure how we must get up the resources to deal with countries that are truly unproductive. are we using all the leverage we have with turkey? is this the best we can do with turkey or are we accepting this? i think that's the question for secretary of state john kerry. but is this the best we can do with turkey that their border is so porous. the istanbul airport, it's not like flying into a third world country. the istanbul airport looks like the london airport. this is a country with plenty of resources to secure its border

but obviously not the political will to do so. >> the president seems far too laid back for a lot of americans on these issues. and every time you start talking about how he needs to do more then the straw man goes up. oh, what do you want to do, send in the 82nd airborne? no diplomatically tell turkey you're either for us or you're against us. and you can either work with us or we're going to start working more with the kurds and we're going move towards trying to recognize kurdistan as a state. your choice. we don't care. either way. we're just going to capture, kill, destroy isis. we're leaving it to you. you either start helping us and not halfway helping us. you either start helping us on this or we're going to move towards helping kurdistan. you can say the same thing about putin. let's just extend this to putin. >> all right. >> can we go into ukraine with troop? no we don't want to start world war iii.

we can give them weapons. we can let vladimir putin know for every troop he assists in the ukraine, we're sending ten from germany to poland. a lot of troops in germany that are just sitting there. all right? the berlin wall fell. let's start moving those troops from germany over to poland. let's move those troops from germany to the balkans. you want to talk about something that will humiliate him? and he won't be able to move on it. that would do it. if we had a president that had the guts to make that threat and follow through on that threat a lot of what we are seeing in the ukraine would have stopped. and it would have stopped a long time ago. we've been saying this for months. we put a little bit here. we've got to stop the halfway measures. when you're dealing with vladimir putin, he's trying to humiliate the west. >> he has. >> let's answer his humiliation with an even bigger humiliation. their fear is not -- their fear

has always been poland. poland has been like a dagger in their side. so put the troops there. just keep building them up until vladimir putin decides he doesn't like troops, our troops in poland and we don't like his troops in ukraine and we have a deal. >> this president's abhor wrens of any escalation in the short term has led him to do anything detrimental in the long term. john mccain said he's embarrassed to be an american. john mccain wouldn't say that lightly. this is a part of the world he knows a lot about. the fact we have a president unwilling to use whatever leverage we have is deeply disturbing not just to republicans but people who have watched these parts of the world to become hot spots. >> i'm not embarrassed an to be an american. that's bit of an over reach. >> stand up toer this part of the world. >> we don't have to have boots on the ground. we don't have to have forces there. mike just diplomatically we

can push them. this is a president that's trying to do a deal in iran despite the fact the iranians have lied and cheated for years and, you noekser john kerry came out the other day saying he had been lied to by putin. okay. fine. don't just whine about it. do something about it. >> one of the ways to really go after putin and in terms of halfway measure, we've sort of done halfway measures about really strangling them economically. strangle them around putin economically and they will scream as well as arming the ukrainians. with regard to turkey every example -- every incident of reporting that i've done on turkey in terms of talking to turkey who know a lot more about it than i do is it comes down the turkish political leadership are incredibly duplicitous. very difficult to deal with.

we're talking about the turkish turkish/syria border that poses far more of a security threat to us than a mexican/texas border. >> i know. >> the turks have done very little about that border. >> forget us. what about turkey's own self interest? they've got 750 miles of border with this barbaric group. >> maybe they're playing with game with isis. >> some of these pronouncements are crazy, like who invented the light bulb? a muslim. who was the first black man to play major league baseball? a muslim. he's saying some really wacky, crazy things. this guy ain't right. we got to like -- >> i hadn't heard him say that. >> maybe i made that last one up. but, no check it out. go on your google children. check it out this morning. wake mom and dad up. get off those sites they were on last night. and then google wacky things

that urdigan says and then you can stalk about it show and tell in your third grade class. crash course of foreign policy with conversation with david ignatius. david, back from the middle east with new reporting on that very complicated region. i'll guarantee you it's a deep dive. you're going to want to watch that. also congressman peter king and mark sanford. they're going to debate whether the government should be funded with a clean bill. and the co-star of the oscar's nominated film "american sniper" kevin lacy is going to join us and weigh in on the guilty verdict of the man who killed his friend chris kyle. and next vice president joe biden says it looks like it's out of a third world country. now a major change is in the works at laguardia airport. they're finally going to have running water. really? is that not great? >> toilets. >> toilets, i hear in 2017.

>> can't wait. >> for now you've got the hole and the shovel. anyway, a big impact on ticket prices. first, here's bill karins, he has a big impact on ticket prices when he's on the plane. >> everyone on. >> everybody's on. >> suddenly, no demand. >> always get the seat next to me empty. >> isn't that great? >> it is great. >> fantastic. well, hey, what's happening in the forecast? >> millions of people with the day off today because of the snowstorm. historic snowstorm that hit the south. tupelo mississippi, huntsville alabama, second greatest snowfall ever in your city's history. this is hike a generational type snowstorm in northern alabama, northern mississippi. and now that snowstorm has made its way to the mid atlantic. you are waking up and you need to shovel in raleigh, richmond norfolk, and now the snow is falling in washington, d.c. we still have a lot of people under the winter storm warnings. the worst of it now throughout the rest of the morning will be areas in the mid atlantaic to the chesapeake. it's still snowing hard. we even had thunder snow last night from the raleigh area up right outside of norfolk. that's when you get the

thunderstorms literally producing so cold at the surface you get snow falling out of the thunderstorms. amazing sfuf.e inging stuff. now it's in washington, d.c. and approaching philadelphia. morning commute will be on the slippery side. a lot of school delays around philly and d.c. school cancelations around the richmond and norfolk areas. as we go through the afternoon, even new york city could see snowflakes. maybe a coating. boston to the cape could get a coating around 1:00 or 2:00. then the storm is gone. unfortunately what's behind the storm not many of you are going to like. it's another blast of arctic air moving down through the great lakes. windchills this morning are in the negative 20 to 30 range in the great lakes. and tomorrow that will be in the northeast. we end february the exact way we started. this is going to go down as one of the all-time coldest februarys for many februarys. march is looking better. more on that next week. more on "morning joe" coming up. snowflakes flying in washington, d.c. i'll give you a fluffy two inches by the time you're done this afternoon.

does all greek yogurt have to be thick? does it all have to be the same? not with new light and fluffy yoplait greek 100 whips! let's whip up the rules of greek! how do i know i'm getting the best price on this? we'll match any competitor's price. what about this? price match guarantee. and this?

yup. so no monkey business? no tom foolery? oh, we do have tom foolery... ...tom? staples has a price match guarantee. make on budget happen. make best prices happen. staples. make more happen. is there such a thing as a sure thing in business? some say buy gold. others say buy soybeans. i say, buy comcast business internet. unlike internet providers that slow down when traffic picks up, you get speed you can rely on. it's a safe bet.

like a gold-plated soybean. reliably fast internet starts at $69.95 a month. comcast business. built for business.

uzbek. morning papers. t.j. maxx and marshall they're increasing worker compensation by at least -- to at least $9 an hour. the retailers fall under the parent company tjx. the move is to retain talented employees. first pay hike will take affect in june. some will see pay raise to $10 an hour. experts predict this could be a sign that retailers would be likely to follow the lead set by walmart. willie there is a simple reason this is happening. dictates come down from washington, d.c., it's coming from the ground up. the demand is higher and suddenly there's a tightening of the jobs market. if you want to keep good people you pay them more or they leave.

>> ask any economist what's happening right now. they don't feel emotional pressure from washington or from different interest groups. it's because they can afford to do it and the market's tightening. >> listen, people are starting to do better, slowly but surely. of course the new york post has that on the front page. you look at their cover today, americans are doing better. they're getting better deals. >> most families now are getting $100 million tv deals. >> especially -- >> barnicle, can you name any of them? >> yes, i can. >> can you? >> go. >> the top one in the middle that's one of the kardashians. >> they're all kardashians. >> i know. >> now, so i don't follow this stuff. okay? but was that dude that was on the wheatities box in '76. >> he's the dad of the two above the "big." >> studied up. >> bring it. >> so he's their dad. >> i'm just looking at it. >> no no no. this is my new area of

expertise. >> he's the dude now that looks like a lady. >> yes, it would appear that way. >> what's with bruce, man? i had the wheaties box, throw it is javelin. he's like my hero. >> little shorts on. >> what's that about? >> things change. >> i know things change and people can do what they do. but i just wonder this guy seems to like just be desperate for the headline. you know what i'm saying? >> i don't know. >> come on willie. you know bruce jenner. malibu? >>. different kind of transition. he's responsible for two of the young men on the cover of that magazine. >> the two on the left. >> who just got $100 million. >> back when he was a man, man. >> throwing the javelin. let's go to the "wall street journal." the port authority of new york and new jersey -- >> did they take his javelin away from him now? >> he still has it. >> you have it? >> do you know that for a fact? >> you get to keep it. >> really? port authority considering

lifting a decades long ban on flights exceeding 1500 miles out of laguardia's airport. the move would allow new trips to west coast cities such as l.a., san francisco, seattle. could affect ticket prices. right now you have to go to jfk which take 3s 1/2 hours. since 1984 only jfk and newark airports offered flights out west from the new york city area. but both of those a little bit further from manhattan. still industry analysts say the change could delay a badly needed overhaul to the dated terminals. >> they are so dated. but how exciting. the runway, there's not a lot of traffic on that runway. now you go out there and add flights to the west coast. pilots will say, i'm currently only 27 for takeoff. laguardia, you go oh, it's closer to the city. i'm going to go to laguardia. i can get there in 35 40 minutes. you get there on the runway and the pilot goes -- >> 19. >> 22. >> sit back and relax. we are currently number 47 on the runway. >> 22. >> 22.

>> 22. >> in the summertime thunder and lightning, i was 19 in the summertime. summer and lightning. >> 26 27 ahead of me. that's the problem. you get the smaller commuter jets going on. >> shuttle flight. >> give them a bus. >> sneaky good move. new york move, you can get out of new york on a good day in 30 minutes. let's go to the "washington times," george w. bush is opening up about what he liked the most. bush was addressing a crowd on a summit at a veteran cass irwhen he took a walk down memory lane. he cracked a couple of joke and then he got serious. >> people said do you miss much? i miss for example, the air force's accommodating me with a shower on the airplane that flew me around. i don't get irritated but i do have to stop at stop lights now. i miss saluting those who

volunteer. to put themselves in harm's way, three of whom are here today. and i have vowed that for the remainder of my life that i will do all i can do to help our vets. >> the right speech for george w. bush that sometimes you had to actually change the language whenever you talked about vets whenever you talked about people that were lost when you talked about people to came back with injuries because he would tear up too much and wouldn't be able to finish his speech. >> there's a line in his convention speech in 2004 that we rewrote six times because every time we rehearsed it he broke down and ended up something like, you know i meet the kids they lost their moms or dads fighting in the wars in iraq and afghanistan. they say to me don't let their death have been in vain and i wonder where does that strength come from. we rewrote it eight different ways because he truly -- he is so moved by the strength and the

determination and the sort of fabric of american military families. whatever else you want to say about him, it's all fair game right? i guess. his commitment to and his loyalty to and theirs to him in the military is incredibly profound profound. >> really is. coming up next, howard dean. he's going to join us from mika's must read opinion pages. fortunately, willie did you get on that teletext? her bungalow in the south of france has won. she's been typing away furiously all morning. ding. exactly. we'll have that next when "morning joe" rurps. eturns.

doers they don't worry if something's possible. they just do it. at sears optical, we're committed to bringing them eyewear that works as hard as they do. right now, buy one pair and get another free. thanks for inviting me to come fishing. thank mary.

speaking of mary, there's something i wanted to talk to you about. well, we've still got 11 hours til we stop. sir, your daughter and i we've been together for... feel that? 236 lb-ft of torque i have to ask you something. i think i know what it is. 44 highway miles per gallon. the volkswagen passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in and you can get 0.9% apr for 60 months on the 2015 passat tdi plus a $2,000 bonus. you know, i think about money kind of a lot. money is freedom. money's always on my mind. car insurance. credit cards. preschool. debt. cell phone bills. it's complicated. it's not easy. i am not a good budgeter. unfortunately, i'm a spender. i would love to learn more about finances. savings. investments. retirement. man: the more educated i am, the better decisions i can make in the future. you think you take off all your make-up before bed. but do you really? [

female announcer ] neutrogena® makeup remover erases 99% of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette. can your makeup remover do that? [ female announcer ] neutrogena® makeup remover.

t to us. >> like ban de , is osoleil. >> by the pool? >> of course she's by the pool. she comes back speaking france. you saw her yesterday. >> i did. >> seriously. kind of like bill kristol who accuses me of being elitist and then reeled off french.

>> we still don't know what that one phrase. >> said it so quickly. that's elites. >> fancy. >> over to netanyahu invites arab diplomats to big speech and gets rejected. this is from jfry goldberg rumor has it jeffrey is writing the next cover story in "the atlantic." they are on a winning streak. here's jeffrey goldberg. israeli sources tell me that netanyahu's ambassador to the united states in recent days has e-mailed at least two arab ambassadors, those of kuwait and of the united arab emirates. it would have been quite a powerful image. the ambassadors of the gulf war, they're not about to publicly stipulate what they privately say. that they agree with netanyahu's understanding of iran's intentions and of the potential pitfalls of a nuclear agreement and disagree with the obamas and they are too smart to involve themselves in the partisan mess that this netanyahu speech has

become. howard dean let's get your take on this. obviously there are a lot of arab states that are just concerned about what's happening in iran as the israelis are, but doesn't look like they're willing to jump into the fray. >> well, it's very complicated for them because they've for years ginned up antiisraeli sentiment and now the israeli prime minister invites them to come in and snub the president of the united states. you know this is pretty much diplomacy 101. you stay out of other people's messes. >> not going to do it. willie has a question. >> i was going to say. how much do you think, howard does h feel like it's two parts, one, they don't want to be seen on stage or at least in support of netanyahu in israel but also not crossing in the united states, president obama who has made a point to say he won't attend this speech and he's not supporting netanyahu being here? >> this is pretty much of a disaster, i think, for netanyahu. i can't wait to see what the --

we're all focusing on what's going on in washington. to be honest with you, what's going on in washington is reasonably irrelevant. what really matters is what happens in israel. they have an election two weeks away away. critical election. netanyahu is slightly behind. he has to go through with his speech otherwise he looks weak. but if he does go through it there's more fallout right before the election. i wish i could see this from the israeli perspectivend find out what was really going on over there because it cannot be good for benjamin netanyahu. >> howard, yesterday susan rice was quoted as saying this is destructive to the u.s./israeli relationship. obviously susan rice is not going to say that unless she gets a free pass from president obama for saying it. can you think of any time when the relationship between israel and the united states was at a lower ebb? i'm not assigning blame. there's not blame to go around. i'm just asking that question. have we ever been this far from

israel? >> let's -- the answer is probably not. but i really do think this is a personal relationship failure between the prime minister and president obama, not a long-term damaging relationship. what's damaging the relationship with the united states and israel is not so much netanyahu's behavior which is pretty awful, it's the settlen'ts. i think the united states have gotten to the point where they can't keep pretending the israelis are not settling taking palestinian land. that's the really big problem. israel is backing itself into a corner from which i really worry about israel. obviously i have some sentiment for israel but i worry what they're doing to themselves here. netanyahu i always thought was a clunky -- he's very smart and very good politician, but he's in your face all the time. that doesn't help any. this is a bad spot. this is -- they're in a bad spot. i think there's a reasonable chance they may change prime ministers if the election were

held tomorrow they would. and i think that's probably a good thing for both relationship and the future of israel. >> mike barnicle just handed me over this full-page ad in the "new york times" by jay street the pro peace movement is what they say. we're going to give them a little more bang for their buck here for this full-page ad. the last time you addressed the u.s. congress you turned the speech into a campaign ad. the president of israel and united states. five israeli former ambassadors to the united states dozen of american elected official and major jewish leaders have all said postpone the speech. and i can tell you some of the most powerful republican people in the foreign policy field who served under past presidents george w. bush and george h.w. bush, all say privately he should not come. howard dean, stay with us. coming up next david ignatius breaks down the competing forces of play across the middle east including an answer to the question that has stumped nearly

everyone who is really in charge in iran? recently, a few real shoppers tried bertolli skillet meals and got more of italy than they expected. ♪ ♪ bertolli. your house? si, si. ♪ ♪ [ laughter ] [ laughter ] [ chef ] this is bertolli's chicken florentine farfalle. bow tie pasta, grilled chicken, spinach a little bit of white wine of course. it's really good. [ male announcer ] bertolli. italy is served. and also enjoy that same authentic italian taste in bertolli meals for one. [alarms blaring] ohhhhh... whoa whoa whoa! who's responsible for this?!? if something goes wrong, you find a scapegoat. ...rick. it's what you do. ahhhhhhhh! what'd you say? uh-oh! kelly!

if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. rick. don't walk away from me. ahhhhhhhh! [ hoof beats ] i wish... please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all...is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. expanded minuteclinic for walk-in medical care. and created programs that encourage people to take their medications regularly. introducing cvs health. a new purpose. a new promise... to help all those wishes come true. cvs health. because health is everything.

♪ there's confidence. then there's trusting your vehicle maintenance to ford service confidence. our expertise, technology, and high quality parts mean your peace of mind. now you can get the works, a multi-point inspection with a synthetic blend oil change tire rotation, brake inspection and more. $29.95 or less. ok, if you're up there, i could use some help. smart sarah. seeking guidance. just like with your investments. that sets you apart. it does? it does. you're type e*. and seeking another perspective is what type e*s do. oh, and your next handhold... is there.

you don't have to go it alone. e*trade gives you the support and guidance to make informed decisions. are you type e*? associate editor for "the washington post," david ignatius, who has just come back from a whirlwind tour. we thank you so much for coming in to 30 rock to do that for us. let's start where you started in munich. you talked to the iranian foreign minister in munich. tell me what you learned. >> munich every year has a conference to which every person interested in international security comes. it's like a plumber's conference except they're not plumbers. i had the chance to enter ju zarif who is heading next month toward the decisive climax of the negotiations with the u.s.

over the nuclear issues. i got to sit next to him on stable and ask him how is this going? >> he looked at me shyly and said, we want an agreement. we are peace-loving people. he said all the predictable things you would think. the moment he got really squirrely is when i asked him how has he become such an enemy of hard lippers back home? i cited a group of people who called essentially for his removal. you could just see him cringe a little bit. >> tighten up. >> yeah. >> we've seen that before. we saw thats in '79, in '86. we've seen it time and time again. we keep searching for the moderates in iran and when they stick their head out, a lot of times it gets knocked off politically. >> that's the question i came away with do the moderates have legs? they're on the verge of negotiating an agreement but will the regime keep it. >> do they? >> well, you know the only way honestly, joe, to find out is to

try it. and you can say that's a risky bet because we don't know. >> right. >> i just think any possibility of progress with iran after these decades of estrangement, you know chanting "death to america," any way to turn that corner begins with an agreement like the one being discussed. >> i want to ask you a question i've asked the smartest minds in for rehn policy for years now. nobody has an answer. maybe you will come to us with an answer. who is in charge in iran? >> who is in charge in iran -- >> it used to be so simple. it was the ayatollah. >> it's still simple the ayatollah. >> you still think so? a few years ago you had ayatollah, somealias being criticized. you stillity the ayatollah is in charge? >> he has the final authority. he has the ability to block this negotiation, for example. but behind him i've been to iran now twice.

and every time i go i'm struck by how much of a factor the iranian public is becoming. it's not -- it's not their yet. the ayatollah has to take them seriously. if he were to rebuff this country which is just desperate to break out of its isolation saying, no we're not going to do this treaty. we h would have very angry iranian public. where that public would go he can't predict. >> how realistic are the iranians now? all of these years later after the '79 revolution when they obviously were seen as the most dangerous regime in the world. next to isis do they look conservative with a small "c"? >> no they look dangerous with a capital "d." they are the real deal. they are a traditional military power. i quoted an analyst the other day saying they think like an old fashioned super power. they play power politics. >> like the old soviet union.

>> like the old soviet union. they're pushing us and our allies in damascus beirut yemen, baghdad, all those places they're going after us. >> is their goal though to push the united states out of the middle east and gain control over iraq and have more influence in syria, lebanon, across the middle east or is their goal to knock down buildings in new york and washington? >> i don't think they have the the -- the iranians come from a very refined, civilized culture. they want to be powerful. they want to be recognized adds powerful. they're led by people who i think are, in many cases, fanatics. but the country itself every time i visit i see it i talk to people. that's a country that over the long run ought to be someone the united states can do business with. >> did you get the sense in 2009 like i did that iran was a country split in two? that there was a red state iran

so to speak, and a blue state iran, and from everything we can judge in 2009 it was split down the middle. like you said, this country has one of the most remarkable histories, one of the most remarkable culture, great tradition. if you ever talk to any u.s. servicemen that trained with iranians before the revolution they said they were the most profession professional. they loved working with them. >> the trickiest question for the next month, because this deal over the nuclear issue will come to a head march 124. we've got one month. the trickiest question is how do you help those iranian people iranian blue state that's waiting to be born best? do you help them by making a deal, by empowering the moderates who are going to do the deal with us or do you help them best by saying no we're going to walk away until you're really there, you're really ready? that's essentially the question that the president is going to put to the country. >> how weakened are the iranians beity plunge in oil prices? >> they're weakened but the idea that they're on their knees begging for a deal which

sometimes is put about not true. you go to iran. people are doing business. they've invented all kinds of crazy ways to get around sanctions. they're surviving. their gdp is down a little bit but i bet it's down less than that of greece or russia. >> david ignatius, really appreciate it. we will be back with more "morning joe." i really admire my mother. despite what people said she bought me a sewing machine and she let me play with dolls and that was something that was kind of growing up culturally, it was quite unacceptable and she really dared to let me be different. [thunder and rain] [thunder and rain] [thunder and rain] does all greek yogurt have to be thick? does it all have to be the same? not

with new light and fluffy yoplait greek 100 whips! let's whip up the rules of greek! if you're running a business legalzoom has your back. over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. legalzoom. legal help is here. there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure.

do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision or any symptoms of an allergic reaction stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. why pause the moment? ask your doctor about cialis for daily use. for a free 30-tablet trial go to cialis.com the conference call. the ultimate

arena for business. hour after hour of diving deep, touching base, and putting ducks in rows. the only problem with conference calls: eventually they have to end. unless you have the comcast business voiceedge mobile app. it lets you switch seamlessly from your desk phone to your mobile with no interruptions. i've never felt so alive. get the future of phone and the phones are free. comcast business. built for business. ♪ [male announcer] if you've served in the military, certain habits may be hard to shake. for reintegration and adjustment issues big, small and everything in between, visit easter seals dixon center.org. jo nes. zero, three, two, six. here to make a deposit. [bell chime] ting

more news out of washington. i saw that congress only has until friday to prevent the shutdown of the department of homeland security which, of course runs the tsa. it's already generating a bunch of different reactions from americans. so% of americans said congress needs to work together to solve this crisis. 7% said obama needs to step in and fix this problem. while the remaining 83% said if a shut down happens can it bring shampoo on a plane again. that's all i care about. we're going tv that debate coming up. not about the shampoo but about the funding of the department of homeland security. we're going to debate that with steny hoyer. we also go live to nbc's pete williams on the arrest of the suspected isis plotters right

here on new york city. later, piers morgan is going to be our guest. we're going to get his take on the news of the day and i'm going to talk to him about arsenal. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store, a container ship delivered it to that truck. here in san diego, we're building the first one ever to run on natural gas. ships this big running this clean will be much better for the environment. we're proud to be a part of that. you just got a big bump in miles. so this is a great opportunity for an upgrade. sound good? great. because you're not you you're a whole airline... and it's not a ticket you're upgrading it's your entire operations, from domestic to international... which means you need help from a whole team of advisors.

from workforce strategies to tech solutions and a thousand other things. so you call pwc. the right people to get the extraordinary done. ♪ ♪ ♪ how did i set a new personal record today? i started with a test run. then i got a solid night's rest in a great room. and before i hit the road, i hit the breakfast bar where i got my fuel

for the next 26 miles. great endings begin here. and now when you choose choice twice, get a night at no price at 1,500 hotels. book now at choicehotels.com in small business you have to work hard, know your numbers, and stay focused. i was determined to create new york city's first self-serve frozen yogurt franchise. and now you have 42 locations. the more i put into my business the more i get out of it. like 5x your rewards when you make select business purchases with your ink plus card from chase. and with ink, i choose how to redeem my points for things like cash or travel. how's the fro-yo? just peachy...literally. ink from chase. so you can.

people in various stages of radicalizing in all 50 states. i tell my state and local partners this is about all of us being connected tightly to each other. this isn't a new york phenomenon or washington phenomenon.

this is all 50 states and ways that are very hard to see. the joint terrorism task forces that we have set up all around this country are in some way mores important today than they were at 9/11 because of the nature of this threat. >> mike barnicle you spoke privately to a former fbi director a few years ago, and you asked him just what came in what the incoming was like. he talked about just getting incoming 24 hours a day and said if you read what i read -- >> at 3:30, hurricane katrina in the -- 4:00 in the morning. >> you woublt sleep at night. >> and here we have the fbi director jim comey saying, quote, we have homegrown violent extremists operations in every state. that's every state. that's south dakota that's idaho, that's new york. it's every state. >> and every state, nicolle that reshapes the debate for democrats, independents and a lot of republicans on these

issues about what the nsa does, the wiretapping, the data collection. they're obviously going to be civil libertarians on the right, civil libertarians on the left that are against this. you start hearing this you can see those polls going up. it's kind of like on drones. i think i'm in the minority on drones but, you know what, americans see the crisis drop the drones drop them anywhere. we don't care. >> it's why president obama was able to go back on his campaign commitments about guantanamo, about nsa, about the drone programs because he had huge numbers of the public behind him on all of these programs. i think the wiretap program is 70%, 80%, 90%. i think the drone program is 60% swath of support. >> americans want to be kept safe. >> the public's intuition on these programs is unbelievable. almost wiser than sort of the corrupted and sort of mangled politics behind all of these programs. public understands that a lot of these programs are innovative by

law enforcement and put in place by people who don't have necessarily political aims. but they are approved of thank goodness, by presidents of both parties, bush and obama. >> again, a lot of people on the left, a lot of people on the right who obviously are concerned about the civil lib libertyies behind it all. whenever the federal government has that much power, always the opportunity for abuse. that's the ongoing concern. >> edward snoweden won an oscar but he's still living in moscow. at the end of the day governments of both political persuasions from pretty far sides of the spectrum. >> i will mark you down as undecided. the massed execution. >> reporter: clutching a knife and beheading propaganda videos have been identified. his name mohammed emwazi. dubbed jihadi john. they identified him after talking to family and friends. he's believed to have traveled to syria sometime around 2012 and later joined that islamic

state. more to come on that breaking news later. . willie, the funding fight on dhs. >> we're coming up on the deadline here. friday night deadline to fund the department of homeland security is looming large. congress did take a step forward wednesday as the senate advanced a clean dhs funding bill with these, the bill with no immigration provision attached. cleared by 98-2 margin setting up a final vote as early as today in the senate. the question though is what happens after that. house speaker john boehner has yet to say whether he will bring that same measure to a vote in the house. and he reportedly told his conference at a closed door meeting that he and mitch mcconnell have not spoken in two weeks. if you can belief it. some colleagues in the house, mo brooks, say they will not vote for a clean funding bill. >> i don't know what the speaker's plan is going forward but i can tell you what my position is and my position is and i think that there are

substantial number of republicans in the house of representatives who agree, that the united states constitution comes first. and we're to the going to advocate our responsibilities our oath of office to the united states constitution for some kind of convenience that in turn, is going to undermine national security. illegal aliens are undermiping national security. >> congressman brooks there talking about the immigration rider to previously attached to dhs funding bill now separated. meanwhile, dhs secretary jay johnson called the entire situation absurd and two republicans who used to occupy his office seem to agree. >> in these challenging times when we're concerned about terrorist organizations such as isil, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and so forth, we're in the midst of a harsh weather, it is even absurd to be having this conversation. it is even absurd that i have to spend a very very large part of my workweek simply defending

paying our people to work. >> i personally believe as a former member of the congress of the united states that the president has gravely overstepped his constitutional authority. but i don't think we right that wrong on the backs of the patriots that go to work every day to provide safety and security at the department of homeland security. >> there are some deep concerns many people have about the executive order that the president undertook. that matter as it turns out, is likely to be dealt with by the courts. what i don't think makes sense is to hold the entire set of operations of the department of homeland security in abeyance as a hostage as legislative branch starts to play a game of chick within the president. >> let's go to republican congressman mark sanford. good to see you. if you get the funding bill back

from the senate and have a chance to vote up or down on the clean bill to fund the department of homeland security, how do you vote? >> i would vote no. i think there are a number of us quite concerned about the constitutional element that's at play here. and, you know i think you could flip this debate. one, it's not about shutting down all of homeland security. as you know roughly 200,000 of the 230,000 people currently working there would still continue the go to work. and, two, it's not just for the judiciary to decide constitutional issues. at the end of the day every member of congress puts their left hand on the bible, raises their right hand and swears to uphold the constitution. there is a considerable dilemma, choice question here. and i think the reverse is the case. why is it that the president is the one saying, you know it's got to be this way. you can't carve out what the court has already raised questions about and move forward? >> mike barnicle? >> congressman, you say that

you know a huge percentage of homeland security employees will continue to work. the most visible homeland securities are the tsa agents that everyone sees at airport '. they will continue to work without pay. how do you sit there in the capitol, you will get paid for working a two- or three-day workweek. the tsa employees working a five-day workweek. how in good conscience can you do that? >> i would forego my pay during government shutdown just as they would. but what's important to remember and joe well knows this and i think you well know this, which is at the end of the day after any of these shutdowns squichlishes, there's a legitimate contest of opinions within the congress and within the executive branch, these folks do get paid. it's not as many they're not paid it's as if they're not paid during that time of shut dols down. >> these are people living paycheck to paycheck. they're not like you. the larger point here. the common sense answer i think most americans would agree, vote

homeland security up or down depending on your view the other aspect of it, the immigration bill, it's not courts. wrangle with that as long as you want but do dhs right now. >> there is -- the house did a bill dhs right now, which is to say fund it all of the way through tend ft year and simply said there was a rider wherein that which the court has question cannot be funded. and i think that's a legitimate point based on the constitutional question that was raised by the judge out in texas. >> nicolle? >> good morning, congressman. why can't we do a better job as a party at appearing to be the good guys in these fights? you know as well as i do we will get blamed if we shut down the department of homeland security and our right flank will be mad at us if we don't stand up against president obama's immigration order. why can't we articulate anything that will bring the public along with us?

>> why would we be blamed for shutting down? i think you begin with a narrative that's wrong there. >> you won't take the vote. all due respect, it would be you taking the vote to shut down the department of homeland security. that's a legitimate place to assign blame. >> i already taken a vote as have the house of representatives to fund it in this way. there's a disagreement, the president is saying my way or the highway with regard to you know basically including a portion of funding that a judge in texas has already raised questions about. >> so mark i guess that's the next question. why couldn't you temporarily fund the department while the action is frozen? because right now a federal court has stopped the president from implementing this action. >> because if we both know we don't know how long that court stay will last. it could be a matter of days it could be a matter of weeks, it could be a matter of months. no one knows. >> so can't you guys fund it? i'm not being -- can't you guys fund it for like two weeks and

we'll take a vote two weeks from now. >> we know -- the sausage making machine that is washington is a closer you get to the deadline on these bills the more creative people get. that may well be done. it may well be done post the date of quote, government shutdown. i don't know how it's going to play out. there's a lot of talk of a temporary bill. what i do know is again, i don't think it's the role of the congress to hand off to the judiciary or hand off to the executive branch the determination of what people believe to be constitutional. particularly if you're hearing from people back home who strongly believe that the president's unilateral action and basically creating de facto amnesty for 5 million workers is not constitutional. >> so, mark, so nicolle and i were working before this segment and said okay so let's just break this down. how is it going to go? because we've been through enough of these. you and i have been through a lot of these. and anynicolle are going to tell you, we looked in our crystal

ball ball, conservatives are going to stand up. they're going to say, we are not going to fund this because it's unconstitutional. all hell is going to break loose. republicans in the senate are going to be killing you. republicans in the house are going to be killing you. we're going to get -- we're going to get editorial pages are going to be killing you. we're going the get this for about ten days and then the conservatives at the end are going to say well, we've got to back down. listen we all know the department of homeland security is going to be funded. we all know barack obama is not going to sign a bill that defunds this immigration policy that i agree with you is unconstitutional. but we know how this story ends. dhs is going to be funded and it's going to be funded on a clean bill. we're just asking you is it worth the five ten horrible days of bad press to go through a fight where we know where it's going to end? >> i wish that in my shoes right now is something as articulate

as tray because i would ask every one of you to look at the clip of his testimony with regard to this issue yesterday in the judiciary committee. >> right. >> he was eloquent on the importance of the rule of law and the precedent it sets not just for the remainder of this president's term but for presidents and congresses still to come. >> mark, i agree with you on the substance. i agree with trey on the substance and you're engaging in that false sense of huemility again that we do sometimes. you're pretty good. it doesn't matter what is said. i told you how you know sh has ended up over the 20 years we've known each other. why are republicans concerned about winning in 2016, why aren't we believe that it's going to end up again, we get the bad press and then back down at the end anyway? >> i think at the end of the day in any political body everybody has got to do what they've got to do. so in that way i don't envy john boehner in trying to sort out all of the different conflicting opinions that he gets within the

conference, much less within the congress. but what i do know is if there are a hole host of members who have said based on what they've heard from folks at home and based on their own readings and study is that this really is a constitutional issue and the president really has been outside of the bell curve, if you will with regard to other presidential actions on the whole notion of executive action executive amnesty, and unilateral action. and i think that that is an issue that ultimately has come to a head here with homeland security. we'll see how it plays out. >> mark sanford, as always. we like having you here. thank you. please come back soon. come back in ten days to tell me i'm wrong. that would be awesome. it wouldn't be the first time i've been wrong. thank you, mark. let's bring in howard dean. as governor there are a lot of times you had to sign bills that you just did not like. but you knew you really had no other choice. in this case the scenario that i set up has happened so many times since i first got to congress in 1994 and it just ends up hurting the party in the end. listen, i understand what mark

is saying. i understand what trey gowdy is saying. i agree with what they're saying. but you've got a senate going in one direction, you've got a president that's never going to sign a bill that defunds this immigration initiative. so at some point you just have to fold. isn't it better to fold and fight it out in the courts at least pass something temporary for two or four weeks than to take it on the chin and lose in the end? >> so this is complicated. going back to john marshall justice marshall, the congressman is wrong about the congressional role in deciding what's constitutional. that is the supreme court role, which is where it's headed perhaps. secondly, i was dying to ask him as a former governor what would he do if the south carolina legislature passed him something like this and trying to make him sign something that he strongly didn't believe in. >> i can answer that for you. he would veto it. >> exactly. >> mark was hated by republicans

in south carolina because he veto'd more big spending bills than any governor in the state -- >> yeah. >> veto it in a second. >> we can all have our opinion about whether this is constitutional or not and i suspect it is. the president has a lot of smart lawyers around him. it's not the role -- this is a power play. this has nothing to do about whether this is constitutional. that's all inside the congress dome bs sculpted by spin meisters for us. >> right. >> what this is really about is power, and you are absolutely right. you hit the nail on the head. you cannot pick a fight with the chief executive if you don't have the votes to overcome him. these guys do not have the votes. mcconnell is a smart cookie. he's figured this out. boehner does not have the nerve to tell these 80 people who are a pain in the butt to shut up and sit down. >> this isn't just -- this isn't just republican versus democrat. this is republican versus republican. >> that's true. >> willie news. >> another big story we're covering this morning. three new york city men are in federal custody this morning

allegedly for conspireing to support isis. one of them suggesting he would shoot president obama. joining us now from washington nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. get to that story in a second but want to loop back to something we mentioned at the top of the hour. what more can you tell us now about the identity we're learning from the "washington post" and from the bbc about the man who has appeared in the isis beheading videos and earned the anymore jihadly lyi john? >> u.s. intelligence officials have confirmed the name, mohammed emwazi. he was born in kuwait. lived in west london. was educated there. he's in his mid 20s. and had been known to british authorities before. they had questioned him about his apparent plans to go to somalia and hook up with al shabaab. so he had been questioned a couple of times. he was on their radar. so he was someone familiar to them. the fbi director had said last fall that the u.s. had -- or

that a world intelligence agencies knew the identity of this man but they didn't want to reveal it while the investigation was still going on. what the turning point here has been, whether it's simply the reporting by the post or some other event that has caused this name to become public it's now out there and authorities in both the uk and the u.s. confirm that it's him. >> pete do these authorities have any sense how long ago he may have left london or great britain to go fight with isis? >> yes. i believe -- i'm not quite sure of this detail but it's been within the last two or three years. >> two or three years. as you said he's appeared in the videos that show the execution of jim fully, steven kasig. let's talk about the arrests in new york city. what triggered the authorities to move? >> the first answer is very easy to explain.

it starts last august when one of these men began to post on a jihadi website. he posed a question. a sort of dear abby for jihadist question saying that he wanted to engage in martyr.com. he couldn't leave the u.s. if he were to shoot the president and get killed himself would that qualify him. that raised concerns. the interesting thing is the fbi then went to his apartment in brooklyn and questioned him twice and according to court documents he said, yep, that's what i said. and it wouldn't have to be al baghdadi, the head of isis telling me to do this. anybody in authority to isis could tell me to do something and i would do it. i would put a bomb on coney island if they told me to. they decided to put him under surveillance. there was an undercover operative involved. three people were eventually arrested here. his roommate who was at jfk on wednesday morning seeking to fly to turkey and authorities say

to go on to syria, the man himself who did the original posting had a ticket to go in late narchmarch. 1/3 man who they say gave them the money to buy their plane tickets. as for the plots here in the u.s. there's no indication here that they ever got beyond the talking stage. very disturbing talking stage, but none the less, they never had any guns they didn't have any explosives, they appeared not to have any actual plans to do anything. but there was some very disturbing talk. you put all that together and that's why they've been charge with material support to isis. >> amazing how especiallyopenly they were talking about this stuff. nbc's pete williams recapping a complicated story for us. coming up next we go the number two democrat in the house, steny hoyer, live from capitol hill. and i'll ask him whether the democrats love america. should i ask him that question? >> yeah. >> really? does barack obama love america? rudy -- i don't know. we've got a thousand questions to ask steny.

for most people, earning cash back ends here, at the purchase. but there's a new card in town. introducing the citi® double cash card. it lets you earn cash back when you buy and again as you pay. that's cash back twice. it's cash back with a side of cash back. the citi double cash card. the only card that lets you earn cash back twice on every purchase with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay . with two ways to earn, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided. does all greek yogurt have to be thick? does it all have to be the same? not with new light and fluffy yoplait greek 100 whips! let's whip up the rules of greek!

♪ there's confidence. then there's trusting your vehicle maintenance to ford service confidence. our expertise, technology, and high quality parts mean your peace of mind. now you can get the works, a multi-point inspection with a synthetic blend oil change tire rotation, brake inspection and more. $29.95 or less.

if you want to succeed in business, mistakes are a luxury you can't afford. that's why i recommend fast reliable comcast business internet. they know what businesses need. and there's a no-mistake guarantee. if you don't like it, you have thirty days to call and get your money back. with comcast business internet you literally can't mook a mistick. i meant to say that. switch today and get the no mistake guarantee. comcast business. built for business.

the senate advanced to clean the dhs funding bill by a wide margin on wednesday. john boehner is going to bring to the floor a clean vote. with us now from capitol hill democratic whip congressman steny hoyer. steny, always great to talk to you. great to be with you. i was asking mark sanford if he would be willing to support a clean bill. he said no. i said what about a bill that will hold us over until the court determines a constitutionality of this issue. would you, would democrats support, say a two-week extension or a four-week extension of funding for dhs? >> no joe. the fact of the matter is the cr which gives very limited funding ability to the department jay johnson, the secretary has made it very clear this is undermining their ability to act now. the irony is joe, we don't have any disagreement on the bill

itself. >> right. >> essentially was reported out by republican appropriations committee and agreed on on a bipartisan basis of the united states senate and house of representatives. >> right. >> so we're arguing over a bill in which there is not disagreement. >> there's a disagreement on the aspect regarding the president's order, executive order on immigration. >> yes. >> and the federal court has said it could be unconstitutional and stopped the enforcement of that bill. would it make sense that you don't fund the portion of the bill that may be unconstitutional and wait for the d.c. circuit and supreme court to make the decision. you could pass a four-week extension, right? >> i'm not sure we could. >> why not? >> 218 votes -- look -- >> no i'm asking is it -- not whether you have the votes or not. i'm asking is it possible to pass say, a two or four-week extension. the parliament tear rules, is that possible? >> i think it's possible certainly. under the rules, it would be possible. >> why wouldn't you pass that. >> bad policy.

joe, i think we just right back into this cul-de-sac we had in december. you get a few weeks going. hit the deadline. everybody panics. frankly you talked about congressman sanford, his senator lindsey graham just re-elected says this is stupid. >> right. >> we out to fund homeland security. >> six more years before he has to face the voters in south carolina again. >> he's been pretty candid even before the election as you well know. >> let me ask you then steny. do you really want to fund a portion of a bill that the federal court system says could be unconstitutional? why wouldn't it be the prudent thing to do to wait until you know whether the courts determine that it's constitutional? i wouldn't want to fund something that's unconstitutional. i'll sure you wouldn't either. >> the irony is the court's decision had nothing to do that which they're going to defund. in fact, as you know the visa department run on fees. that's not going to be defunded. so the irony is that which they're defunding is not the

operations of the department of homeland security they're going to deal directly with the problem they have. i don't think anybody contemplated shutting down the department of homeland security at a time of high risk to our country and to our people. it makes no sense. >> what's the greatest risk? >> i think it's a political tantrum, frankly. what's the greatest risk? >> hold on a second. it's unfair to say it's a political tantrum. i can understand the republicans thinking the president over stepped the bounds of executive order. the president himself said he couldn't do it a year ago because that would make him an emperor. he wasn't an emperor. he ended up a year later acting this way. the court agrees with barack obama of 2011 and 2012. i wouldn't skl that a tantrum. i would say the president is having a tantrum. he couldn't get away with doing it. who is throwing the tantrum here? >> what the president has done as you well know, ronald reagan

did portionally, herbert walker bush did proportional. they all made changes and nuances to bills that have been passed by the congress. reagan in particular said didn't go far enough. >> steny, let me ask you a final question. >> it's a very narrow decision joe. >> right. >> very narrow decision. and it's going to the court system. fund our oh we. >> they're yelling in my ear we have to go to break. as you know i wouldn't be cutting you off like this. i've asked you a lot of tough questions. i want to give you the last word and no sberpinterruptions, no nothing. tell me in a minute or less so they don't yell at me kicking and screaming. tell me what you think the greatest danger to america is not passing a clean department of homeland security bill because you have a lot of republicans that agree with you. >> 30,000 people administrative

personnel going to be laid off. there are a number of other -- almost 200,000 people who are going to be working but not paid. you're demoralizing an agency we need to have on high alert, high morale confronting the terrorist threats that we know are out there. >> all right, steny. thank you so much. we'll have more time to talk in the future. i'm going to have you interrupting me. how is that? >> okay. >> i'm looking -- m copying to the hill next week. i hope to see you there. >> good great. look forward to it. >> we'll talk to you soon. that's my friend even though it doesn't sound like it. steny hoyer. we only had a few minutes. you know steny can talk almost as much as me. anyway, another guy who knows how to talk new york congressman peter king. he joins us at the top of the next half hour. i'm going have mike barnicle interrupt him. and piers morgan will join us at the table. we're going to talk about things that none of you know anything about. i'm just joking. through good times and bad. our experienced investment

professionals are one reason over 85% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper averages. so in a variety of markets we can help you feel confident. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.

[ male announcer ] legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses. if you have a business idea, we have a personalized legal solution that's right for you. with easy step-by-step guidance, we're here to help you turn your dream into a reality. start your business today with legalzoom. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security.

the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue. log on to learn more. just because i'm away from my desk doesn't mean i'm not working. comcast business understands that. their wifi isn't just fast near the router.

it's fast in the break room. fast in the conference room. fast in tom's office. fast in other tom's office. fast in the foyer [pronounced foy-yer] or is it foyer [pronounced foy-yay]? fast in the hallway. i feel like i've been here before. switch now and get the fastest wifi everywhere. comcast business. built for business. let's bring in "time" magazine editor nancy gibbs. magazine magazine's new magazine is great. "the isis trap." after reading this do i have a better idea how this ends? >> well, that's the question we have to be asking everyone whether they're arcing we should go in or stay out. we've played this before. we go in. we win militarily, and then we leave. as you have said we're not occupiers. what happens? and so as you watch the middle

east in crisis yemen and libya are without leaders. iran has driven a wedge between the u.s. and israel. egypt, syria, the refugee crisis. what happens when we go in and win militarily which i assume whatever response to isis happens. >> america should go? >> yes. his point is you can't liberate the isis-controlled territories with a force that's all shiite and kurdish. >> sunnis have to win their own war. >> and the u.s. has to be leading that. he's not suggest that we should send in 100,000 men, that the u.s. is -- air strikes alone will not do it. i still come back to the question of what happens afterwards because you can tell that exactly what isis wants is for us to come in. they need for us to be there. that's how the millennium -- >> already, i mean we are already in there in a certain sense. again, with minimum numbers of air traffic controllers, advisers on the ground.

what about the fact that it has changed so much within iraq and that the iranians are in iraq now dealing with iraqi troops far more than the united states is? >> which is the other reason it's a problem to rely on iraqi troops to be the liberators of this territory. again, this happened before. we won back that territory from al qaeda in iraq. we left. and you have an iraqi prime minister who made the sunnis once again feel completely disenfranchised and powerless. that's why isis was able to move in and take over so much territory in the first place. it's not like they were overpowering military force. that was a cake walk. a lot of sunnis welcomed them. how do we not replay that cycle one more time. >> is anyone else at the table amazed by the creep of the argument that american troops should go in small and light, win a victory and then get out given the experience of the last dozen years or so? it's amazing to me that we're revisiting that argument. >> i am amazed at the foolishness of that. >> that's what i mean. >> you have carl vick saying don't take the bait.

>> don't take the bait. this is what they want. don't take the bait. and so i think that you know mark twain said history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. how do we learn from the way this played out in afghanistan, how do we learn the way this played out the last time and not repeat that? so you know everyone may say you need a jobs fair. obviously that's not the case. but much more complicated than the military challenge, as complex as that is is how do you create the kind of environment, the kind of political structure that will allow there to be something that replaces the current situation with something better where isis can't prevail. >> nancy, once again you put together a great issue. we talked about isis and the balance of power, "rising sun, california solar farm." madonna, a great profile on madonna. and my favorite story on page 40 of "time" magazine dogs on prozac. the new issue is out right now. nancy gibbs, thank you so much. city ahead, energy poverty in america. the struggles some families face

every day in the coldest months of the year. and the ingenuity helping the most vulnerable turn their lights back on.ip se asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement? i don't want to think about the alternative. i don't even know how to answer that. i mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. i try not to worry but you worry. what happens when your paychecks stop? because everyone has retirement questions. ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. to get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today.

how do i know i'm getting the best price on this? we'll match any competitor's price. what about this? price match guarantee. and this? yup. so no monkey business? no tom foolery? oh, we do have tom foolery... ...tom? staples has a price match guarantee. make on budget happen. make best prices happen. staples. make more happen. introducing preferred rewards from bank of america the new banking rewards program that rewards our customers, every day. you'll get things like rewards bonuses on credit cards... extra interest on a savings account... preferred pricing on merrill edge online trades and more... across your banking and investing get used to getting more. that's the power of more rewarding connections. that's preferred rewards from bank of america. ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh...

you don't love the dress? i love my sister... 40 flavors. 100 calories or less. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle see how much you could save. as the velocity of change in the world increases new players in new markets face a choice: do it fast and cheap. or do it right. for almost 90 years, we've stayed true to the belief that if you put quality in, you get quality out. it's why everything we build, we build to last. build on progress. build on pride.

build on a company that's built for it. as you know the winter has seen record low temperatures across the country. as mika reports, there are hundreds and thousands of people who struggle to keep power on and just stay warm. >> i love detroit. there is such beauty here. the houses the architecture, the buildings, the landscape, the opportunities that's here. detroit is on the comeback. >> reporter: detroit may be on the comeback but in the taeddead of

winter hundreds of thousands can bauerly afford to keep the heat on. at least 700,000 households were cold in the winter of 2013 because of the cost of heating their home. >> but with me being home more often, it makes my gas bill higher. >> reporter: carolyn moore has been out of work since 2013 and even though her car and home are paid off, she fell behind on her bills. >> those bills keep rolling every month. it keeps adding up. >> reporter: she went back to school to get a degree but as so many detroiters have found, work in this economy is hard to get. >> i feel bad, but now that i have worked and i've sewn a lot in to society, law-abiding tax paying citizen. i don't feel bad. i'm glad the help is there. >> reporter: moore turned to wayne metro, a non-profit that helps with gas, electricity, water, education, and simply finding strength. >> for someone who may not be

employed and may be just a struggle, may be on a budget plan or a payment plan that they really can't keep but they kind of buy them to it just continue to not get cut off. >> reporter: detroit's main power company donates millions to local non-profits and says they work cleesely with their customers to put them on payment programs to even out the bills year-round. but the numbers show that tens of thousands of people every year find themselves unable to pay their bills and have their gas or electricity shut off. it happened 206,000 times last year. >> we're going the continue to see this cycle of people having to choose and make these third world choices of whether or not they pay their rent or pay their electricity bill. >> reporter: now entrepreneurs around the world are trying to empower communities to end energy poverty where they live. >> our mission is to make the world's first community powered by energy. >> reporter: grid mates is an

austin, texas, start-up whose first project is powering a new community for the homeless with energy credits donated online. >> entire village with 200 microhomes and medical center. people would grow their food there. they would have kitchen facilities laundry facilities. restore their lives. >> reporter: as difficult as the situation can be in america, the situation is worse around the globe. the next generation is trying to come up with alternative solutions to help the 1.3 billion who struggle simply to access stable power. >> it's an energy generating soccer ball. actually harnesses the kinetic energy that is generated during play. and then stores that power inside the ball so the ball can be used as an off grid power source. >> reporter: jessica o-matthews is just 27 and inspired everyone from her harvard business school classmates to president obama with her invention, the sock-it. >> do you guys understand what's going on here? pretty impressive stuff. >> thank you.

>> he tried it out on a tour of africa in 2013. >> the soc-it turns into a source of electricity. >> reporter: the situation is dire in many places. but from leaders to those just looking to get by there is light at the end of the tunnel. >> i've had a lot of jobs in my lifetime but this time i'm looking for a career. i'm looking to have an awesome story to tell you in five years. >> we talk an awful lot of poverty related to hunger but that's an eye opener regarding power, electricity, heat. with us now from peoria illinois caterpillar group president ed wrap and in washington, michael elliott, president and ceo of one, global campaign fighting extreme poverty. he also this week is very fortunate because he's a liverpool fan. we'll get to that a little bit later. but, i want to mention, first of all, caterpillar is a sponsor of our series of "sustainability."

sustainability is so important, michael, when you look across the globe and you see this is a stunning number. 3 billion people around the world cook with open fires in their home. 3 billion people. >> can you imagine how dangerous that is joe? not just because it's a risk of homes burning down but also because indoor pollution, as it's called, in other words, the smoke that comes from burning indoor fires or may be burning dung on a fire is astonishing health risk. that's just one kind of classic case where the whole question of energy poverty bringing what we think of as completely normal stuff, when you walk into the house, switch on the light switch on the cooker when you bring that to hundreds of millions of people who presently don't have it that we're involved in, our friends at the caterpillar foundation others are involved in and it's such such, such an important issue. i'm delighted that mika is

seeing this. >> you're right. we just showed 4 million people die prematurely from pollution inside their households because of these problems. so ed what can be done? 8 million people reported being cold last year inside their own homes. what can be done what is being done? what are you doing? >> well, i think the point that you raise of the 3 billion people, keep in mind 1.2 billion of those are children. that's why the cause here is so important. and it's not just a developing country, you know, issue, as you just highlighted with your clip. it's happening right here in the developed world. if you take a u.s. household, $50,000 income they're spending more on energy than they are in food. twice as much on energy as they are on health care. so i think it's really up to us to make sure that that's in this debate about energy policy. make sure we establish policies that lead to affordable

accessible, and sustainable energy for everyone. >> ed it's willie xwoois ggeist. in the united states there's people in the united states right now deciding to feed their family or turn on the lights. what are the best ideas out there you've seen to change that here at home? >> yeah, willie, i think we like toed a advocate all of the above strategy. how do we take real advantage of all the sources of energy we have here and innovate across those platforms to bring more affordable, accessible energy os a sustainable basis to all people. as you highlighted in your clip if you unleash innovation in terms of, you know this country and others around the world, i think we will be surprised by the results. >> what specifically what's one great idea you've heard? >> well, let's just take some of the work that's going on right now. if you take a landfills around the world in many cases we're capturing methane gas, waste, if you would, coming out of the landfills, using that methane

gas to power generators that bring power back to the landfill or to local communities. i think just one great example of the type of work that's being done. >> ed rapp thank you so much. ed from the caterpillar group and president michael elliott, ceo of one campaign. michael, piers morgan is our next guest so i've got to ask you this in closing. who is going to end higher liverpool or arsenal? >> why do you have to ask me that? you're interviewing me, the technician who just helped me here in washington came into the green room wearing a liverpool jacket. joe, we're taking over the world. let's be clear. >> we are taking over the world. thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. still ahead, they're usually isn't an issue. he's not willing to talk about. that works nicely for the set of "morning joe." piers morgan joins us next.

photos are great for capturing your world. and now they can transform it. with the new angie's list app, you can get projects done in a snap. take a photo of your project or just tell us what you need done and angie's list will find a top rated provider to do the job. start your project for free today.

there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision or any symptoms of an allergic reaction stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. why pause the moment? ask your doctor about cialis for daily use.

for a free 30-tablet trial go to cialis.com are you ready to feel the difference of truly hydrated skin? new neutrogena hydro boost water gel. discover our newest breakthrough and bask in the glow healthy skin hydration. see what everyone is raving about at neutrogena.com

you know that actually must have been last year. so i go to liverpool, piers, and i'm sitting in the stand and right there it was against chelsea and the dream of winning a championship was just gone. >> liverpool are a bit like my team arsenal in that we were glorious once. we are old enough to remember when we were great and now we

are mediocre and it eats away at my very soul. it's almost as bad as being a republican. >> we used to be great. >> and we used to make fun of democrats because they just didn't know how to win elections. obviously you're staying in the fray. you're writing for dailymail.com? >> yes. >> it's an incredible phenomenon. >> it's the biggest english speaking newspaper in the word. it's like crack cocaine for news because they pump out 900 to 1,000 stories a day. >> it's unbelievable. >> nothing stays up on the site more than a day. so it's like a stream of news and entertainment and politics and i love that because i used to run a daily newspaper and it reminds he many of that fray of pound, pound, pound. >> that's where we get a lot of

our stories, daily mail. i've talked to editors of the biggest tabloids in america and they all look at daily mail as a model. how do they do it? >> very simple. they are hiding behind a pay wall, a subscription wall. the analogy i would give it if you're walking in times square and there were six coffee stores, right, six coffee bars and five of them are charging you for the coffee and one on the end is giving it to you for free the daily mail doesn't charge. their biggest revenue is based upon revenue and that's how they have cleaned up. >> they are making money. >> from advertising. >> globally 240 a month. >> daily mail has cracked the code. >> well, i mean listen newspapers are a dinosaur. very few people are walking down to the end of the driveway to pick up their newspaper.

fewer and fewer are. my question to you, piers, what does it do to the prospect of taking a story and feeding it a while. do you think about that? >> when i ran "the daily mail" in london huge newspaper. did i it for ten years. we'd have 2,000 stories a year coming. you'd get the first edition, wait for two or three hours for the second edition and you think of an old-fashion way for the news to be placed in your product. now i post a column says to me there's a typo. i click it boom it's fixed. >> by the way, that is the one reason you get abused on twitter, i get abused on twitter but i tell you what there are great spotters great proofers on twitter. >> i have 3, 4 million followers, not that i'm

counting and they tell me every minute of the day the mistakes i'm making. they are like my subeditors. what i like about this compared to the world i used to be in when we used to send the copy down by fax down to the time centers and printers would put in every single letter. now here in new york, it 50 gentlemen 250 are creating their own headlines and posting them and updating them all the time. yes, there is obviously going to be, if it's that fast a slight accuracy issue. yes, it's not going to be quite as perfect as perhaps you'd want it to be. but the ability to correct in realtime very very rapidly i think compensates for that. i have three tons. one 21 one 18, one 14. none of them get their news from conventional newspapers. a british survey they get it

from their phones facebook twitter, online sites like dailymail.com. that is the future. the dinosaur of our industry of sitting there and say, no people will always have papers. no my parents like the paper and they are in their 70s. but we at our age, we're already moving to phones and so on. >> so stay with us if you will piers. >> we're going to the top of the hour. we have breaking news of the identity of the man who has become known to the man known as jihadi john. he's out of britain. i'd like to get your take on it. pete williams has his up-to-the-minute reporting. that and much more. piers morgan when we come back. set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only

give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is why do you have that insurance company? with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. you just got a big bump in miles. so this is a great opportunity for an upgrade. sound good? great. because you're not you you're a whole airline... and it's not a ticket you're upgrading it's your entire operations, from domestic to international... which means you need help from a whole team of advisors. from workforce strategies to tech solutions and a thousand other things.

so you call pwc. the right people to get the extraordinary done. ♪ ♪ denver international is one of the busiest airports in the country. we operate just like a city and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal generating electricity on-site and fueling hundreds of vehicles. we're very focused on reducing our environmental impact. and natural gas is a big part of that commitment.

ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh... you don't love the dress? i love my sister... 40 flavors. 100 calories or less. in small business you have to work hard, know your numbers, and stay focused. i was determined to create new york city's first self-serve frozen yogurt franchise. and now you have 42 locations. the more i put into my business the more i get out of it. like 5x your rewards when you make select business purchases with your ink plus card from chase. and with ink, i choose how to redeem my points for things like cash or travel. how's the fro-yo? just peachy...literally. ink from chase. so you can.

. welcome back to "morning joe," a live look going up the hudson river of the george washington bridge. it's frozen. >> and can somebody explain to me why piers morgan is smart enough to live in l.a. and we're still stuck here in new york city. >> greatest city in the world when it's not like this. >> we're continuing to follow breaking news of isis. officials have identified the max executioner who has been seen on the isis propaganda

videos. he's mohammed emwazi and he's been dubbed jihadi john. the militant is from a well-to-do family in london. we see this time and time again. he's believed to have traveled to syria sometime around 2012. right now let's bring in justice correspondent pete williams. >> they confirmed the name. the fbi director james comey had said last fall in september, that world western intelligence had identified the person in these beheading issues these hostage isis videos the person known as jihadi john. he declined to name him at the time and now the name has become public. it's not 100% clear why, perhaps since reporting by "the post" or british british authorities. it's become public. he's mohammed emwazi as you

said mid- to late 20s, grew up in london graduated from the university of westminster and was not a stranger to british intelligence security services. had he twice been detained as he tried to travel around the world and they knew who he was and then somehow he was able to leave the uk they believe, in 2012, where he ended up in syria. and according to "the post" story, they interviewed former detainees, former hostages held by isis who say, yes, he was there in at least two places where hostages were held overseas. >> let me ask you about the three men held in custody in new york for allegedly supporting isis. what do you know about that? >> interesting case. all three have been charged with material support to isis. the authorities say two of them had airplane tickets to travel to turkey and prosecutors say that the two men have admitted that if they got to turkey they would then try to go to syria

and join up with isis. the third man who is also charged was accused of giving them money, helping them buy their plane tickets. the fbi got on to this case in last august when one of the men was on a social media site in the uzbek language his native language, when asked if he had committed a violent act here would he qualify for martyrism. he said yes, i said that but i was just looking to where it led. that led to his roommate's apartment in brooklyn who also wanted to go to isis and also talked about if they couldn't get to syria, they might try to carry out violent attacks here. they mentioned shooting the president, planting a bomb in coney island shooting police officers and shooting fbi agents. that appears to be just talks. they never had any guns or explosives. >> pete williams thank you for being with us this morning. >> you bet. >> okay. so we heard a month or two ago when we had the horrible

shootings in paris about the societal rift between muslims living in france and the french people. what about great britain? here's a guy carving off people's heads, freeze an upper class family in britain. we had three young girls from well-to-do families did very well in school slipping off to join isis. can you explain to americans what you see in britain compared to what you see in america? >> there are whole cities in britain which have been radicalized. it's complete nonsense. it's nothing like that. britain is a very thriving and multicultural country. many have large muslim populations and large ethnicities. >> and they are integrated in society better than paris? >> i would say probably better than paris. paris has more muslims than any

european country. by and large, they mostly live peacefully. to pretend otherwise is wrong. however, like many major country in the west we have radicalized elements which are backing ever more dangerous, kind of fermenting pots. i heard you talk about trying to deal with isis. they conflate al qaeda with isis. al qaeda is a group of people blowing up things around the world using terror for that gain. isis has a more territorial gain plan. >> they depend on land. >> they depend on land and want to take over the whole world. you cannot do that without

dealing with these people on the ground and today we saw 100 christians or how many ever there is in syria that have now been kidnapped but ten christianville ladies and gentlemens have been taken over and ultimately this has got to be dealt with by muslims against isis supported, i think, by the west. that's how this will be done. >> specifically it's got to be sunni muslims because of its shia out of iran or if it's the kurds, the battle is going to continue. let's bring in michael weiss, author of the new book "isis: inside the author of terror." we're talking about isis and how to defeat isis. there's been a lot of mispr misperceptions of this group. why don't you dig in deeper and

tell us what you found out investigating isis. who are they and what drives them? >> they were founded in 2004 by zarqawi. over time actually evolved into a more iraq-ized funding. the guys who lead the upper echelons of this organization today with the exception of baghdadi had some experience in the suddam regime. you're talking about a former operative who is responsible for recruiting the libyan isis fighters and indeed he recruited them away from al qaeda and this is how they have managed to carve out an area for

them in northern libya. >> how much of it is driven by theology and how many is driven by angry sunni who is don't like al maliki. the americans came in 2003. they don't like how maliki ran the country until 2012? >> it's a cocktail i think. there's no doubt that isis is tapping into islamic history. the mosque that baghdadi preached from this has such historical resonance. that said there's a political project. it's sunni restoration or sunni revengism. we went into iraq in 2003 and knocked out the baath regime and it's patronage and privilege. all of these guys living high on the hog, military generals drinking wine with their six

kids kids, they were lumped into the wind and became insurgents. today they are looking to regain the throne. baathism doesn't work anymore. it's jihadism. so they are doing what is quite vogue in order to attract and recruit these guys. that's not to discount that there absolutely is an islamic component to this. they are absolutely fitted with guys, all of these guys coming from the west and africa they want to do jihad. they are fired up muslims. again, it pays to scrutinize who is running the show here. >> mike barnicle? >> what would be the most primary goal of isis? would it be the establishment of this caliphate that they want to establish or would it be to actively engage the united states military on the ground general in the middle east?

>> well zarqawi led a trap. they anticipated the u.s. war and zarqawi's goal was to essentially bleed america into its departure. but fundamentally, actually his number one target in iraq with were shia. this was a genocide maniac. if we go off and blow up the shia's shrines and mosques, it will prompt an overretaliation in their part which will drive the sunnis into our fold and also attract the mudin from around the world. the u.s. strategy now, a de-facto partnership with iran we're flying warplanes overhead as these groups go in and clear out isis this is falling exactly into zarqawi's plan. i don't think they necessarily

want to bring in u.s. forces but fighting shias, that is great. that's their apocalyptic mission. >> as you said the week after zarqawi helped lead the destruction of the golden mosque in samara wrote me a one-line e-mail saying a bleak week indeed. >> christopher hitchins very much later came to think it was a little hasty because of what your contributor said. that's the catalyst for all of this. without the iraq war, i don't think this hornet's nest would have happened this way. >> zarqawi knew the way to sort of unrest and push the united states out would be to push the sectarian war -- >> that's what i think people need to understand here. these are not idiots.

yes, they are thugs and barbarics and using islam for the excuse of what they are doing. these are strategic players and they are using social media and so on to wage this conflict and they are going to be dealt with. >> just because we see them as evil doesn't mean they are not rational actors doing what they think is in their best interests. michael weiss, thank you so much. republican congressman peter king of new york a member of the homeland security committee, peter, we want to get you to weigh in obviously on the possibility of the shutdown of homeland security. before that, i wanted to know if you want to follow on any comment that michael weiss or any of us sitting around the table have said about isis. >> i would agree with that. they are smart and just because they are evil doesn't mean that they are not smart and do very strategic thinking. i believe that the u.s. will have to engage them and, again,

not with tens and thousands of ground troops but, again, because they are looking for territory, this is different from al qaeda in that respect. they are looking for territory and we will have to give some support to enable people in that region to keep them from grabbing any more territory and to retake some of the territory. >> so i spoke to mark sanford, your colleague and my former colleague earlier this morning who talked about how he would not vote for a clean bill for funding for dhs and had some good logic to it. but what i'm concerned about is if they fight the big fight back down ten days later, get all of the big press for them at home but all of the bad press for republicans nationally and people are thrown out of work for a week. >> well joe, that's the political consequences. i agree with you completely. but let's talk about the security consequences. you know today is the 22nd anniversary of the first world trade center bombing. last night we saw the three people arrested in brooklyn and

i can tell you this other investigation is going on of that type right now in the new york area. and to be putting american security at risk to win some sort of political back on immigration, i agree with you, i totally disagree with the president's executive order. i believe it was executive overreach but when you weigh the competing factors here an immigration executive order or the lives of the american people and when you have the congressman -- to me a conservative's main obligation is to protect people from all enemies, foreign and domestic. and when you realize on the one hand there's an executive order and on the one hand, we're talking about a loss of american life, the two don't balance out at all. to me it's clear, we have to fund the department of homeland security. >> thank you peter king. cpac is in full swing in washington, d.c. and it's a

time for republican hopefuls to make their pitch to the base. michael len mike allen is joining us. what is going on there? >> good morning, joe. two young people will be gathered outside of d.c. rand paul going for a triple crown. he's won the straw poll there twice in a row and trying to win it again. jeb bush is trying to get away with as little damage as possible. it's not jeb's crowd at all. he's much more moderate. this is among hard right audiences they'll see all year. it gets so much attention and coverage and it's so important to firing up people who actually work for you that as we talk to the campaigns, it's clear that they think of this as the first primary. some of them including scott walker, rand paul are going to be there over a couple of days seeing people in uj r informal settings beforehand. rand is doing a couple of

liberty receptions. >> mike when you say first primary, somebody with the last name paul always wins. it's either rand paul. before it was ron paul. does scott walker or anyone else think that they have a chance of winning the straw poll and does it matter? >> scott walker is trying to keep his momentum going. he had big coverage coming out of the iowa speech and he's doing another speech here. organizers have switched it up. it used to be that you went and gave a big speech. now everyone will answer questions either from a moderator or from the audience. they are trying to weed out a little bit what people really think, draw the differences. jeb bush already telling people, knowing that he won't do too well in the straw poll on saturday we're not doing anything formal to organize for it. but joe, on facebook there's a group organizing buses to take jeb supporters there. so everybody is trying to make a big showing. this is also very important for

chris christie. he's had such a rough couple of weeks, going back to that london trip this is a way for him to get back on the horse. >> we'll see if it happens. michael mike allen, thank you. appreciate it. we've been saying around the set, if you're a hillary clinton supporter, you should hope that she gets a tough in the primary. >> she's new and fresh and exciting because that's what they are going to have. hillary clinton slightly goes to christmas past for many people. she didn't beat barack obama. she's no spring chicken and i say that in the nicest and most possible way. i would be thinking we have to be very careful here and put all of our eggs into the hillary clinton basket and we end up with somebody who could actually lose. so you know the republicans at the moment are having a little battle. i think scott walker is playing a very clever game. i've always thought he was a

smart guy. the chris christie bubble is gone. he's got a long way to get back. someone like scott walker against hillary clinton is an interesting matchup which i think would benefit republicans. >> piers morgan thank you for doing that. >> thank you. >> i appreciate you putting on your overcoat and coming east. >> i will take my medication which i always do when i get to this place in the god awful of winter. >> so who is playing this weekend? >> arsenal. we got absolutely annihilated late last night by mondayacco. it's become an unrelenting self-abusive process. >> we're talking about soccer. >> which hits my very soul. >> liverpool has beat south hampton. >> this is not music. this is soccer right? >> soccer. liverpool -- by the way, your son supports chelsea.

how does that happen? >> i told my son, it's a lot like supporting microsoft. how do you do it? >> i sat down each of my children spaced over eight years, i have no problem with you supporting any other team than arsenal. they are like, really dad? and i said yeah as long as you have no problem with me speaking to you for as long as you live. >> my dad used to yell at me when i was 5 years old cheering for the kansas city chiefs. thank you so much for being here. >> it's been my pleasure. >> come on back. >> i'd love to. still ahead, george w. bush tells us what he misses the most about the white house. plus a crash course in foreign policy from "the washington post's" david ignatius. that's ahead. and tears in my eyes. and so many little things that we learned were really the biggest things. through it all, we saved and had a retirement plan.

and someone who listened and helped us along the way. because we always knew that someday the future would be the present. every someday needs a plan. talk with us about your retirement today. nervous whitening will damage your teeth? introducing listerine® healthy white™. it not only safely whitens teeth... ...but also restores enamel. lose the nerves and get a healthier whiter smile that you'll love. listerine® healthy white™. power to your mouth™!

discover card. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? sure, we help with fraud protection. if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you're never held responsible. you are saying "frog protection"? fraud. fro-g. frau-d. i think we're on the same page. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. fraud protection. get it at discover.com

♪ it's time to take a look at the morning papers. t.j. maxx and marshall's are the latest to follow walmart's lead they are increasing workers' pay to at least $9 an hour. the first pay hike will take effect in june and those who have worked for the company for more than six months will see the pay raised to $10 an hour. this could be a sign that retailer also follow the lead of walmart and there's a very simple reason why this is happening. the dictate is not coming down from washington, d.c., it's coming from the ground up. the demand's higher and suddenly there's a tightening of the jobs market. and if you want to keep good people, you pay them more or you leave. >> new york and new jersey may

allow new trips to west coast cities such as los angeles and san francisco could affect ticket prices. now you have to go to jfk. since 1984 they have only offered flights to out west. still, industry analysts say the change could delay a badly needed overhaul. >> i'm so irritated. but how exciting. there's not a lot of traffic on the runway. so you're adding flights to the west coast and the pilot will say, we're currently number 27 for takeoff. what's the record for you guys in laguardia? you go well it's closer to the city so i'm going to go to laguardia. you get there and sit on the runway and the pilot comes on and says sit back and relax. we are currently number 47 on the runway. >> i've been 22. >> 22? >> in the summertime. thunder and lightning, i was 19

in the summertime. >> and some were at 26 27 ahead of me. that's the problem. you get all of the smaller commuter jets that go in there. >> shuttle flight. >> a sneaky move is the newark move. >> especially on the west side. >> let's go to "the washington times." george w. bush is talking about what he misses about being in the oval office. he took a walk down memory lane and started cracking a couple of jokes but then he got serious. >> people say, do you miss much? i miss for example, the air force accommodating me with a shower on the airplane that flew me around. i don't get irritated but i do have to stop at stoplights now. i missile saluting those who are at

harm's way and i have vowed for the remainder of my life that i will do all i can do to help our vets. >> sometimes you had to actually change the language whenever you talked about vets whenever you talked about people that were lost, when you talked about people who came back with injuries because he would tear up too much and wouldn't be able to finish his speech. >> there's a line in his convention speech in 2004 that we rewrote six times because every time he broke down. it was something like meeting the kids that lost their moms or dads fighting in afghanistan and i wonder where does that strength come from? and we rewrote it eight different ways because i think he's truly so moved by the strength and the determination and the sort of fabric of

american military families. and whatever else you want to say about him and it's all fair game, right, i guess. his commitment to and loyalty to and theirs to him in the military is incredibly profound. coming up, he served alongside chris kyle and acted along bradley cooper. kevin lace talks about his fallen friend and the verdict. keep it right here on "morning joe." introducing the citi® double cash card. it lets you earn cash back twice, once when you buy and again as you pay. it's cash back. then cash back again. and that's a cash back win-win . the citi double cash card. the only card that lets you earn cash back twice on every purchase with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided. ah! come on! let's hide in the attic. no. in the basement.

why can't we just get in the running car? are you crazy? let's hide behind the chainsaws. smart. yeah. ok. if you're in a horror movie, you make poor decisions. it's what you do. this was a good idea. shhhh. be quiet. i'm being quiet. you're breathing on me! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance you switch to geico. it's what you do. head for the cemetery!

all right. if it's time for morning bell. brian, we have a lot of things we want to talk about but let's talk about apple, man. the market cap is absolutely insane. this is a stock you told me you could have bought for 50 cents in 1996. 10 million with an "m," dollars. talk about how big apple is. >> to quote led zeplin, what do you think i saw? what i'm seeing is a market cap that surpasses the entire value of the russian stock market. apple's val lou is not only double of exxonmobil it's bigger than russia and getting close to surpassing the entire brazilian stock market. it's the seventh biggest economy in the world. i don't know if it's worth it i'm not saying it's overvalued.

everyone is buying it. it's an apple mania. >> a smooth revenge for tim cook who took steve jobs''s place when people didn't think he was up to the job. >> when cook took over apple had a rough patch. he took some heat including from our show. cook has added more stock market to apple than jobs did. but tim cook has now doubled the market, more than doubled it since he took over for steve jobs. >> what's the key, mike? >> the key is product. the design the appeal of the products, the demographic of who buys the product. it's the sales of the larger iphone. >> the iphone 6 just -- >> phenomenal. worldwide. globally. >> you've got a couple here? >> i have one here. >> they don't discount.

name another company that doesn't have to have sales. once in a while a mac mall or third-party sites will. they have pricing power, they have loyal customers and now they are going to go after the core. can you imagine, though, and this is the day when you decide to go buy a car and this is going to happen and you're going to say, what operating system does it have? >> yeah. >> and you're going to decide to buy a car depending on whether or not it runs apple's ios. i love the car but i can't buy it because it's android and i like apple. >> brian sullivan, thank you for being with us. apple bigger than the russian stock market. >> that is crazy. president obama, as we said earlier, was in miami where he defended his executive immigration action in front of a supportive crowd at florida university. he had tough questions from msnbc's jose diaz-balart.

let's take a listen. >> not only do we know that the law is on our side but history is also on our side. and in the mean team what he said to republicans is instead of trying to hold hostage funding for the department of homeland security which is so important for our national security fund that and let's get on with actually passing comprehensive immigration reform. so in the short term if mr. mcconnell the leader of the senate, and the speaker of the house, john boehner, want to have a vote on whether what i'm doing is legal or not, they can have that vote. i will veto that vote because i'm absolutely confident that what we are doing is the right thing to do. >> jose is joining us now. you've interviewed the president before. talk about the president you saw yesterday. >> yeah. it was -- i think it was an opportunity to speak at length

with some detail about issues. you know having a full hour with the president of the united states on one subject, i think, lends itself to being a little bit more detailed about what he's thinking and how he is thinking. and so the fact is that he was very clear that he would veto any bill that would defund his executive actions. and it's interesting, because i think this is exactly the conversation that the president and the white house wants to have politically speaking because this is something that goes to the heart of a lot of people in the united states. the 5 1/2 million undocumented that would be benefiting under president obama's executive actions have family members. >> right. >> remember these are people that have u.s.-born children. >> they have family members and you're talking about a lot more than 5 million. >> yes. >> he obviously vetoed keystone

the third veto in his president history. does the president seem to be a man who is ready for a fight with republicans and actually enjoying that? >> absolutely joe. absolutely. >> tell me about it. >> well look he said he would veto -- he would veto any attempts at trying to defund his executive actions. he gave jeb bush advice. i asked him, you know the former governor of florida, probably potential 2016 candidate, what advice would you give him? and it was, talk to boehner and go to the house of representatives and asked them to pass immigration reform. i'm glad he cares about this issue. he was in no mood to back down on any each related to immigration. and this town hall that we had yesterday was an opportunity for people that are affected by these decisions to also speak to the president. >> all right. jose thank you so much for bringing us this interview.

we greatly appreciate it. you're going to be talking about it a lot more on "the rundown" straight after "morning joe" ends. still, an eye-opening talk with david ignatius his expert take on the middle east after having returned a long complex return from the region. we're talk to talk about isis and if they can be beaten. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends. three jobs. you're like "nothing can replace brad!" then liberty mutual calls. and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.

i need to look for a used car. but i just keep putting it off. it's daunting. what if i make the wrong choice? it's like, if i buy a t-shirt and then change my mind i can return it. but a car? you don't reeeaaa eeeeeaaaaaly know until you've driven it a few days. i just want to be sure. ♪ ♪ as long as people drive cars carmax will be the best way to buy them. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store, a container ship delivered it to that truck. here in san diego, we're building the first one ever to run on natural gas. ships this big running this clean will be much better for the environment. we're proud to be a part of that.

does all greek yogurt have to be thick? does it all have to be the same? not with new light and fluffy yoplait greek 100 whips! let's whip up the rules of greek! in small business you have to work hard, know your numbers, and stay focused. i was determined to create new york city's first self-serve frozen yogurt franchise. and now you have 42 locations. the more i put into my business the more i get out of it. like 5x your rewards when you make select business purchases with your ink plus card from chase. and with ink, i choose how to redeem my points for things like cash or travel. how's the fro-yo? just peachy...literally. ink from chase. so you can. ♪ nineteen years ago, we thought "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie's list is revolutionizing

local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress. and effortlessly turn your photos into finished projects with our angie's list app. visit angieslist.com today. ♪ we're back with david ignatius. so you have egypt, the uae, jordan. it looks like sunni arab countries are starting to rise up. what's a possibility that if we have a president that becomes a bit more engaged diplomatically that we can figure out a way forward where those sunni countries take care of anbar province, we help with the kurds and the iranians well we have to look at -- just like we look

at north korea and baghdad, like it or not -- >> joe, i think you're as frustrated as i have been by this situation where in the wars of the last decade basically people said let us hold your coat while you do the fighting. >> right. >> thank you very much for fighting for us. >> it's not that way anymore, is it? >> no it's not going to work that way anymore. no holding coats. you're going to be in the fight with us and that's beginning and i think it's important for americans to say it's essential if you do that but if you do i'd hate to place limits on the help that we give them with too strict of an authorization. we couldn't be there for our brothers and sisters of the military as they take the fight. >> so during the arab bring and uprising, one out of four arabs

live in egypt. eventually, go goes the arab world. do we think that may be the case here? >> i think -- >> how much of an influence will egypt have on the middle east? a strong egypt is crucial for a sunni world that is in many ways falling apart. >> is it a sunni -- >> cici is trying to and -- sisi is doing crazy things and it's crucial, if you're going to stand up to this rising iran that you have a strong sunni world and you can't have that with egypt. somehow egypt has to be walked polled back into having good policies that we can work with and be a part of. >> so many americans look at the middle east and they see it whether it's 1967 or maybe a young kid watching the munich

olympics in 1972 and seeing it divided that way. can you explain to our viewers how while we're obsessing over benjamin netanyahu coming to the united states because he's fighting the idea of the iranians getting a nuclear weapon can you explain the levels of fear that the sunni states have for israel compared to say, a nuclear iran? >> i think they are less worried about israel relative to iran than they used to be. and the thing i would say about israel you take this long trip through kurdistan, iraq jordan and then you end up in israel as i did on this trip. and seeing israeli democracy, seeing people shouting at each other in every restaurant taxi cab, meeting, seeing how open it is. >> right. >> and how passionate democracy reminded me why israel is our everlasting ally. it goes down to the affinity

between the two countries. this election in israel that is going to be held on march 17 is really an important one. prime minister netanyahu is facing a stronger challenge than he expected. we'll have to see how it goes. but what struck me joe, was just to remember how powerful, how vibrant israeli democracy is. that's their secret sauce. that's the thing they've got. >> so does beng menjamin netanyahu, based on what you saw there, does he stay in power? >> the betting at this point looking at the polls, is he probably will win. his difficulty is that he probably isn't going to have enough seats on his own to form a coalition so it will be sort of a coalition rivalry. >> does he go to the hard liners? >> he has to decide whether to left or right and there are reasons that one is advantageous

and disadvantage. one option is come into my government as foreign minister. i'm not confident that will happen but i know israelis today are talking about that. >> finally, you showed me some pictures overseas in kurdistan and i've got to say, your job looks exciting but it doesn't look fun. but you have a lot of fun at what you do. why? >> i've been covering the middle east off and on since 1980. that's a seen of how old i am. i first went to iraq in september 1980 barely made it back for my wedding, as my wife sometimes reminds me. 34 years later, i still find that part of the world fascinating. it's haunting tragic but it gets under your subsequent. it certainly got undermine.

i'm still somebody who likes the part about the news business that's about news. i like finding stuff out and i have a job where i can travel all over the world and ask people questions and find stuff out and then come tell you. >> thank you so much for doing that. david ignatius. >> thanks, joe. >> we really appreciate it. >> and we'll be back with more "morning joe". i have a wandering eye. i mean, come on. national gives me the control to choose any car in the aisle i want. i could choose you... or i could choose her if i like her more. and i do. oh, the silent treatment. real mature. so you wanna get out of here? go national. go like a pro. in new york state, we're reinventing how we do business so businesses can reinvent the world. from pharmaceuticals to 3d prototyping, biotech to clean energy. whether your business is moving, expanding or just getting started... only new york offers you zero taxes

for 10 years with startup ny business incubators that partner companies with universities, and venture capital funding for high growth industries. see how new york can grow your business and create jobs. visit ny.gov/business there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away

for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision or any symptoms of an allergic reaction stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. why pause the moment? ask your doctor about cialis for daily use. for a free 30-tablet trial go to cialis.com the future of the market is never clear. but at t. rowe price we can help guide your retirement savings. our experience is one reason 100% of our retirement funds beat their 10-year lipper averages. so wherever your long-term goals take you we can help you feel confident. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.

would you be surprised if i told you the navy has credited you with over 160 kills? do you ever think you might have seen things or done some things over there that you wish you hadn't? >> oh that's not me no. >> what's not you? >> i was just protecting my guys. they were trying to kill our soldiers and i'm willing to meet my creator and answer for every shot that i took. the thing that haunts me are all the guys that i couldn't save. >> joining us now from my hometown of pensacola, florida, is former navy s.e.a.l. kevin lace. he served alongside chris kyle and helped train bradley cooper for his portrayal of chris kyle in "american sniper." kevin also played himself in the film. it's good to talk to you. i understand you're a pensacola boy. >> yes, sir, i'm down here and love the weather.

it's beautiful. >> i kind of miss home. thank you so much for rubbing it in. i'm freezing in new york. so let's talk about this film. bradley cooper a guy i know one of the nicest guys in the world, you were there to help him train for the film then. then he took a liking to you. tell us how he asked you to get involved. >> right. i was initially tapped as the technical adviser for the film. bradley rick was a former s.e.a.l. out of l.a. bradley was on the gun for about two hours and out of the blue looks up and asks me do you ever think about playing yourself in the movie and he caught me offguard. my intention was, we need to get this right. you need to represent the s.e.a.l. team well and i was like, hit the target and we'll take it from there. the next thing led to another.

i i auditioned and got the part and was in the movie. >> tell me about your talk with clint eastwood who said you have to be in the movie. >> it was an honor serving with the guys. i always admired clint and if it was a guy that was going to do this story justice and chris kyle justice is clint eastwood. he's someone that i always looked up to. it was really important to tell chris' store row and he was the man for the job. >> kevin, in the movie, bradley actually becomes chris kyle. he actually becomes chris kyle on the screen. there is one scene in the movie that struck out -- that stands out to me and i think a lot of people and it's the scene in the auto body shop where a young marine lost a leg in iraq comes over to chris kyle bradley cooper's son and praises the father in front of the father saying you know your dad's a hero and bradley cooper, chris kyle, is clearly, you know --

he's uncomfortable by it. and it really meant he didn't want his son ever to have to do what he had to do. does it hit you at all? >> you know, bradley did a great job of representing chris. he didn't want to mime or mimic. i think he did a great job. that scene in the auto body shop shows chris. he wasn't a person that would just accept praise. he would deflect it to people around him. more importantly, being with his son, as men going forward, men and women when we volunteer for the service and protect our country, we do it for the people around us and we do it for our children so they won't have to experience what we did to go over and protect the people around us. >> so kevin, give us your reaction to the verdict. obviously a lot of emotional reaction coming out of texas. you were a good friend of chris'. what were your thoughts as the guilty verdict was read? >> you know i really didn't follow the trial. i just watched the verdict the

other night. the first thing i thought about were chris' kids and chad's daughter. it's a harsh reality that it's without their fathers that they are going to have to live. and my thoughts go out to don and judy lost their son, taya lost her husband, jeff and amy, you know their brother. and it's tough. it's really tough. i think the trial looming has really stymied the healing process and i think going forward, you know everybody involved, everybody who has lost chris is going to adapt to a world without chris and do the best we can moving forward. >> all right. kevin, thank you so much for being with us. and how exciting to get to talk to somebody from my hometown. enjoy the sun there. >> thank you, joe. >> all right. kevin lacz thank you so much. coming up next what if anything did we learn today?

you just got a big bump in miles. so this is a great opportunity for an upgrade. sound good? great. because you're not you you're a whole airline... and it's not a ticket you're upgrading it's your entire operations, from domestic to international... which means you need help from a whole team of advisors. from workforce strategies to tech solutions and a thousand other things. so you call pwc. the right people to get the extraordinary done. ♪ ♪ (woman) the constipation and belly pain feel tight like a vise. how can i ease this pain? (man) when i can't go, it's like rocks piling up. i wish i could find some relief.

(announcer) ask your doctor about linzess-- a once-daily capsule for adults with ibs with constipation or chronic idiopathic constipation. linzess is thought to help calm pain-sensing nerves and accelerate bowel movements. it helps you proactively manage your symptoms. do not give linzess to children under 6, and it should not be given to children 6 to 17. it may harm them. don't take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain especially with bloody or black stools. the most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. if it's severe stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. other side effects include, gas, stomach-area pain and swelling. bottom line, ask your doctor about linzess today. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ mom ] with life insurance, we're not just insuring our lives... we're helping protect his. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica.

transform tomorrow. my advice for healthy looking radiant skin. a good night's sleep... and aveeno®. [ female announcer ] only aveeno® positively radiant has an active naturals® total soy formula. it helps reduce the look of brown spots in just four weeks. aveeno®. naturally beautiful results™. woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track.

and through it all my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let's talk about your old 401(k) today. it's time to talk about -- there i am -- what we learned today. mike, what did you learn? >> i learned that i'm 6 feet tall but with you two guys here i feel like mickey rooney. >> he's got the north korea leader's healels on. >> what? >> breenian is actually 5'3". what did you learn, brian? >> we were talking about boston. boston is a disaster. it's a great city but i've never seen more snow in my life.

>> and you actually had the honor of going to the fire range with chris kyle? >> i had an opportunity to meet chris kyle years ago. i thought he was a nice guy and -- >> he shot a target two miles away. >> unbelievable. >> i met him and got to spend a weekend with him and a few other guys. a great guy. i was honored to meet him. >> yeah. who wouldn't be. well, if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around because "the rundown" with jose is straight ahead. we'll see you tomorrow. good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. we're less than 40 hours away from funding running out for our critical homeland security department. republicans are