new york's water and its citizens. >> colleen, keep up the fight. jane kleeb, thanks for your time. it's not just nebraska it's new york. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. \s. good evening ed. thanks for tuning in. i'm live tonight from east lansing, michigan. we start with breaking news today on the nation's top republicans failing the most basic test the leadership. it's coming to a head. on two critical issues. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell refusing to say when he'll hold a vote on lo letta lynch's nomination to be attorney general and house speaker john boehner refusing to say how he'll handle right wingers trying to shut down the homeland security department over the president's imsgrags

action. boehner still saying today, he's just going to wait and see. >> i don't know what the senate can or can't produce some. >> with respect, mr. speaker, your answers about what you're going to do the same about yesterday. can we -- mitch mcconnell has said exactly what he's going to do. you know exactly what you're going to get, a clean dhv funding bill? are you going to put it on the floor? kill it have you even had the discussion? >> when i make decisions, i'll let you know. >> what does that mean? >> is it a continuing resolution -- >> it was just a -- we're just 30 hours from a funds running out, and he's blowing kisses at reporters? today democrats ask where the grownups are in the gop? >> it was like eighth grate civics class.

what is going on in the house? we have the two leaders who haven't talked to each other in the two weeks? >> i would say, harry, with all due respect, i have a grandson in eighth grade, and his knowledge about how to pass a bill is superior to what we see among the republicans. it's about time for them to grow up and pass this bill. >> meanwhile a senate panel today finally sent lo redia lynch's attorney general nomination to the full senate but senators like ted cruz are still trying to derail and senator mcconnell still isn't say when that full vote will even happen. lynch has already waited 110 days to be confirmed. the longest wait in modern history. will chef to wait another 110 days? these aren't hard tests. it's basic governing, but republican leaders are failing

them. in a special town hall event with msnbc, president obama talked about fighting through the delays and obstruction. >> every major social movement every bit of progress in this country, whether it'sing the workers' rights movement or the civil rights movement or the women's rights movement every single bit of that progress has required us to fight and to push and the make progress and you don't get everything right away then you push some more. that's how the country continually gets better. >> joining me now are margie o'meara and jason johnson. thank you for being here. glad to be here rev. >> margie speaker boehner is

blowing kisses it would be comical if there weren't such serious issues at stake. what is going on? >> he doesn't really have an answer. he looked calm. i guess he looked like he was having a good time but he's trying to deflect attention from what is clearly a tension moment. >> the polls suggest that the public is going to blame republicans if there's a dhs showdown. a poll from last week said -- less than a third only would blame the president. that's fewer than blamed the president in past showdowns, so i think there will be real consequences for republicans who say, you know let's just drive off the cliff. >> jason, tonight house republicans are huddling behind closed doors, trying to come up with a plan to avoid a shutdown. why is this so hard for them?

>> because of the ego. .republican party, they know how to win wars they cannot figure out how to win a peace. they won the mid terms in 2014. this is the house and senate they've been screaming for since obama got elected. they can't figure out the basic mechanicses of let's put forth an agenda we can actually pass. we're going to get a continuing resolution, they'll probably fund it for another three, four weeks, but you'll head back into the same problem. the house and senate have to realize they have an opportunity to and not just keep throwing mud balls at the president of the united states. this is an idiotic plan to try to defund dhs. >> i rarely agree with congressman peter king but he's calling out his federal republicans. listens to this. >> sometimes i think the republicans live in an unreal

world. it's absolute insanity if we don't vote on a clean bill. maybe if some of these people who are talking about how we have to hold this up maybe if their states were bombed they would feel differently. people who say they're conservatives, republicans, they're the ones who will ruin the republican party. >> i mean is this insane? why are they pushing for this then? i just don't get it margie. >> i think -- i mentioned there was a poll that shod that people blame republicans, but republicans look in past showdowns and say, well we went there, we took a hit, and then we had gains in the mid terms, so there weren't any real consequences even though it's not just bad policy it's bat politics. gallup shows month after month after month that the number one issue that people are most concerned about is govern dysfunction. that hasn't always been the case. it's a recent phenomenon and the

result of all this back and forth. now, i think, jason, the president addressed this at the msnbc town hall rejecting the idea that republicans and democrats are equally to blame for the failure of a comprehensive immigration act that they have all tried to say is both sides. listen to how he dealt with that. >> the notion that democrats and republicans play political ping-pong, democrats have consistently stood on the side of comprehensive immigration reform. let's not be confused about why we don't have comprehensive immigration reform right now. it's very simple. the republican speaker of the house, john boehner, refused to call the bill. what do you say to that jason? margie is quoting polls where

the public is rejecting, in terms of the homeland security funding, as well as immigration. >> well yeah look. it's very clear who is to blame mere. republicans can argue whether or not they like the president's immigration plan and that's actually something they should try to fight through on the court level. they shouldn't be holding up government agencies. they are clearly to blame. they have the hands on all the levers the government at this particular point. i think, rev, the real other issue we have to think about is it's only february. they've only been in office for about a month. if they can't figure out basic things like this this is a hopeless scenario for functional government for the next year and a half. ultimately, because everything matters for 2016 this is going to hurt republicans candidates. i promise you we'll see an ad next year with john boehner kissing off the press with a background story talking about the republicans were going to kiss away homeland security and didn't care about your safety.

>> margie are they going to shut down homeland security? what's your prediction? >> i hope they don't, right? i think we've had a lot of close calls, on the other hand what we have seen consistently is there's a faction in both of house and senate that's willing to put american government at risk, put the confidence in our institutions at risk to put even their own party's views in is the favoritability at risk in order to demonstrate they can go against what the president wants. it hurts all of us. it doesn't just hurt republicans or democrats, it really hurts all of us. >> well i mean with all of the threats and the anxiety, it's unbelievable we're at the wire and they're still playing games. let's move to loretta lynch for a minute a senate nomination to the full senate today, but still

no word on when the republicans will even schedule a floor vote. and we're now 110 days and counting the longest delay in history since she was even nominated. i mean jason, thinks incredible. we're talking about the attorney general of the united states. >> see, all of these things are connected. if you shut down homeland security s. we can't probability ourselves from terrorists. if you don't get a functional attorney general then we can't prosecute terrorists by the way, we want to bring netanyahu here next week. no one seems to be recognizing that not paying attention to national security issues is affected by these actions. i hope she gets confirmed. i understand the republicans' problems with her, but at the end of the day it's the president's attorney. her job is to try to find a wake to may legal that the president wants. >> and 110 days later, why do we

have to wait 110 days for them to do what they did? there was nothing that was holding it up. 110 days later, they finally send it out, they could have done that 100 days ago. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. and how did an educated middle class plan from london become a cold-blooded isis murderer. we're learning more about jihad john tonight. plus the republicans gather fog their annual conference. it sounds like they're scared about the future. and first lacy michelle obama celebrates five years let's move with the challenge. >> we are celebrating a big anniversary. >> uh-oh what exactly are we celebrating? >> five years since we launched let's move. so everybody give me five tweet

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citizen, the daughter of a man he beheaded spoke out late today. with this he's captured, i think they'll be happier. a u.s. intelligence official has confirmed that jihadi johns is 26-year-old mohammed emwazi. emwazi was born in kuwait and moved to the uk when he was 6 years old. he grew up in a middle class part of london and graduated from college with a degree in computer science. but how did he go from that to this? emwazi was on authorities' radar since at least 2009. that year he was detained on a trip to tanzania.

emwazi then flew to amsterdam where they later claimed a british recruiting officer tried to recruit him as a spy. he then rurchd to the uk but left after a few months to move back to kuwait. he visited britain two times, and planned to go back to kuwait, bus his visa was denied. in sometime around 2012 or 2013 he went to syria. so where is mohammed emwazi now? and how did he become in notorious terrorist? and how can he be stopped? joining he now is michael kay, retired senior british officer and military strategist now a feern affairs correspondent. thank you for being here. >> hi rev. >> michael, this is an educated man who came from a middle-class family. what does that say about who is being attracted to isis?

>> what's interesting about this, rev, is that it kind of sits outside the socioeconomic deprived template that we have been focusing on for the last couple months that we've been looking at the process of radical sax. i find this quite fascinating personally. if you look at the brothers responsible for the "charlie hebdo" attacks, they are radicalized through a process of engaging and seeing what policy had done no 2003 and wanting to go to iraq. if you look at the canadian lone wolf that was arrested he was radicalized in prison. the egyptian bodybuilder that the numbs inspection had a piece on, he was radicalized in mosques. emwazi was radicalized in a different way. he's traveled to assistance nia, wasn't allowed there, sent back to uk have i ra amsterdam. he was interrogated there.

then decided to go to kuwait then exiled from kuwait. he went back to the uk. what this tells me is it's a very subjective piece about the coming radicalized, and there's no one template that fits all. well let's put up a map of the region. hostages released by isis say emwazi guarded them in two syrian cities. how do the u.s. and british intelligence figure out where he is. >> let's have a quick look at the region. turkey to the north, syria, jordan down south, israel cyprus and then you've got iraq over here. we don't actually know too much about emwazi but let's be in no doubt, his days are numbered. lime zarqawi, he was taken out by an air strike and like osama bin laden who was taken out by a

u.s. navy s.e.a.l. stream he was neutralized as well. his days are numbered. we do know in italy, he was responsible for guarding hostages. we know that. and then more recently in raqqa, the self-proclaimed capital of the islamic state. what we must understand from all the way done here this is the strip where it's governing-less. effectively isis have rule of law, in anything they want to do. what's really important is the intelligence community needs to get their head around human intelligence, neat to get their hands on electronic intelligence. we own the skies for a moment to listening and watching will be important. >> michael, let me ask you this. i'm out of time but you said several times his days of numbered. what exactly are you saying? that they know where he is?

or there's abimminent capture. >> eventually got him, building up the intel. and that's what the intelligence community will be doing. there are no ground forces on the ground so we're relying on anything we can hear or see from the air. human is also key, we need to develop these relationships on the ground inside raqqa, but that's incredibly hard to do. >> michael thank you for your time tonight. still ahead, meet the gop. all the big names come out to throw red meat at the far right base. you got to hear what they're saying about hillary. also have you seen the new beyonce workout routine? it's all part of a new push on healthy eaten from the first lady. >> just two weeks ago, when the georgetown women's basketball

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political action conference kicked off. many of the 2016 hopefuls were on stage to unveil their big and new ideas. >> i'm for putting our health care in our hands and not in the hands of some bureaucrat. >> we must repeal every single word of obamacare. >> washington wants obamacare. the people want liberty. repeal every blasted word of obamacare. what a breath of fresh air, but there was another line uniting them. >> hillary clinton embodies the corruption of washington. >> what am i for? what am i really ready for? i'm not ready for hillary.

>> hillary may like hashtags but she does not know what leadership means. >> i'm sensing a little fear coming from stage right. joining me from the conference is msnbc's political correspondent casey hunt and msnbc's abby huntsman. thank you both for being here. >> thank, rev. >> good evening. >> hillary clinton wasn't there, but they sure talked a lot about her. what do you make of that? >> well reverend i think it just goes to show you that all the of the people at this conference expect they'll be running against hillary clinton in 2016 and if you look at the way what's going on in the middle east with isis is playing out on the world stage, it is the opening they are looking to focus on and attack her on as much as they're going after the president for showing weak leadership in that regard.

you had candidate after candidate stand up on the stage today, and talk about what they called radical islamism. >> clearly while she wasn't here, everybody knows who they're expecting to run against. >> the right also didn't shy away from their favorite topic, benghazi. watch. >> nor is it leadership when hillary clinton can see, what difference does it make? when our embassy is deliberately attacked and four americans are murdered. >> senator rand paul who speaking tomorrow tackled the same topic last night. >> i don't think she'll be able to overcome this. when she was asked to provide

security for benghazi she didn't do it. she didn't defend our ambassador. i think that should preclude her from even being considered for the higher office. >> abby it seems that benghazi will be a big theme? is that a smart strategy? >> this is the three-day event where you have moderate republicans covering that i eyes, saying is it over yet? during the three days some of the craziest things rand paul won the straw poll where the winner that can throw out the most red meat rand paul won it last year. this is a crowd that really gets fired up over this. someone defined the event as the "american idol" for political in other words. you don't win based on how good your voice is but how you can appeal to this audience. normally i would say bring out the pop did not born and be enter tained, but this is important. these are the people that vote in the primaries.

it's tough to make it to the general election. you have to get through these folks. how do you appeal to a cpac ground and general election group of people and remain authentic. that's something jeb bush will struggle with. i'm very interested to see how the reaction is. he can't speak to immigration or things like common core. he's going to have to find the right balance. he's got to find the right way to talk about it so these folks aren't upset with him. >> and you're going to have to find the right balance, because moments ago scott walker talked about dependence. >> up the way there in washington we have a president who measures success in government by how many people are dependent on the government. we should measure success by just the opposite by how many people are no longer dependent on the government. >> that sounds a lot like mitt romney, to me you know with so

many republicans talking about fairness, he took a different tone, casey, didn't he? >> he certainly did take a different tone there. he's not talking about income equality which we have heard some republicans raise as something their party should be focused on but i wanted to touch on one other thing. walker actually talked about when he was asked how he would confront isis he talked about how he had confronted union protesters in wisconsin, because he was able to take them on with the national guard, he would be similarly able to take on isis and other global threats. that statement really raised some eye browse even here at cpac cpac. >> isn't that in many ways potential a misstep, when we talk about whether or not these candidates, or at least some of them are ready for primetime to

get off of where other republicans are talking about income equality and you go back on this stuff. is walker masse missteps that will hurt him with moderates, and very damaging if he wsh to mac an general elect run. they both went to the uk and both trips were defined as a disaster. i think it's fair to say across the board there's a lack of foreign policy experience with these republican contenders. cpac is a good way for them to test their message. i don't expect the person that wins the straw poll to be the nominee, but it gives you a good sense of who will be pretty powerful in the primaries and who people want to put their money behind folks that are into folks on the far right. walker i think still has a way to go to prove himself.

can comments like that i think it causes people to question that a bit. >> i see the new poll came out with walker leading 25 then rand paul 13 ben carson 11 mike huckabee 11 and below them all is jeb bush down at 10%, and you said kasie, these are the figures from iowa the quinnipiac poll. you said jeb bush speaks there tomorrow. who got the biggest applause there today? >> i think ted cruz probably wins for the most all palace though scott walker was either a close second or right there with him. both of them packed the room here. i will say anecdotally, as i spoke to attendees, scott walker is somebody who they're really excited about. i think the question is going to be whether or not he can

sustained that. this is a really long -- we are months away from iowa. i think the question for him is is this the right time to be at the front of the pack? >> thank you both for your time tonight. be sure to catch abby on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up the first lady's campaign turns five and big stars are coming out to celebrate. plus it's the age-old fight, celebrities versus the paparazzi. how taylor swift made them take a belly flop. and we'll talk about those llamas on the loose. need we say more? it's all in "conversation nation." meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology

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nation." with me tonight huff post live host caroline -- and democratic analyst mark hannah, and host of "the docket" and seema. thank you all for being here. >> thanks rev. carolina, i always mess with your name. i don't know why. >> i love you, rev. don't worry. a big congratulations --

>> yeah all right. we start with a big glad raise to the first lady michelle obama. her "let's move" campaigning is celebrated five strong years, to get kid to eat healthier and get active is working. she says she's happy with her work, but it's far from done. >> childhood obeseity rates have finally stopped rising and obesity rates are actually falling among or younge children. so, yeah. [ applause ] >> we've been a whole lot to celebrate on this fifth anniversary of "let's move." if we take our foot off the pedal for even a single minute we will go right back to where we started. look at the proof. there are declines in childhood obesity rates among low-income preschoolers. now the first lady is running,

skipping and dancing into her sixth year with a big idea. >> we are celebrating a big anniversary. >> uh-oh, what -- what exactly are we celebrating? >> it's been five years since we launched let's move. >> what's on tap? >> for starters eyen good deal to ask people around the country to give me five. five ways to be healthy. for example, they can eat five new veggies, oar do five jumping jacks, or find a way to work five new healthy habits into their daily routine. >> the gimmefive challenge is like the ice bucket challenge. after you accept you ask someone else to do it. here's video of beyonce from instagram celebrating the fifth anniversary writing, givee five michelle obama. >> and ryan seacrest posted a

video of himself exercising. mario lopez gave five tips to living a healthier lifestyle. seema, are you ready -- >> i am getting on this table and going to give you five pushups, mark is next. i have to be serious. i tell people exercise is the only guarantee in life. it makes everything better and my colleagues on the panel agree. >> yes. >> absolutely. >> physical health mental health, i think it will be a big part of the first lady's legacy. she's gone out and asked people to do little things things that not everybody has to wail on their pecs and bench pressing. >> nobody can bench press as much as you. >> hey, be easy. >> she uses fun to get a lot of young people's attention and young people involved. how important is it that she

uses celebrities? look at this. >> chez better ariana grande or eating a carrot? flotus? >> eating a carrot. >> does that matter yes or no? elena. >> no, yes, it does she has a website. >> i do try to exercise every day. >> really because i think exercise is ew. >> exercise is not ew. you just have to find an activity that's right for you. turnip, for what? >> you can take it from me. ing the right foods can make you a better athlete. >> oh! >> how important is it caroline she uses celebrities and comedy in this let's move drive and campaign. >> it's so important, rev. even big bird is on twitter now. i'm serious.

>> he has more followers than i do. >> it's an important thing. not only then are these people in the public eye for whatever reasons, but now we're actually giving them respond, hey, if you're in the public eye, you need to be putting out a good message. use your powers for good to tell people not only let's move and i'm also pleased she's addressed this much more as the campaign has gone on. let's look at what she's eating as well. she's shied away from that and is getting back to the kind of food we are putting in our bodies this year in particular. i think that's so important. >> it's whatever works. >> let me say this though because since let's move started, let's be real clear about this studies have shown it's working. "u.s. news & world report" says obese why the has drop by 43%, and the first laid is said she's

not letting up. how do you keep the momentum going? there's been a few critics on her vision from the right. listen to this. >> taking the nanny state to the new level, michelle obama is suggesting what you should feed your children. >> michelle she knows anybody better than anybody else about healthy foods, because she has a garden big would that. >> she is a hypocrite. leaders are supposed to be leaders. if we're supposed to go out and eat nothing, eat roots and berries and tree bark, show us how. >> so seema, how do you keep it going when you have all of these critics there? how does she keep the momentum going now? >> rev, you ignore the fat guy. that's number one. mark wants to take this. >> michelle obama's arms next to rush limbaugh's arms and then ask yourself who should be the

authority here? you can criticize the nanny state all you want. she's not doing anything but making suggestions, and allying herselves celebrities, and use the fan base they have to put out a positive message. anybody who will criticize that anybody who will boo-hoo that is -- >> no other argument, exercise is correct, eating right works. >> caroline how does she keep it going? >> that's actually a really important question. i think the part of that is the celebrities that she is. the ripple effect and also the younger people. look at all the videos. she's always going to score. this is really about educating young people so they can make informed decisions. it's not about being a nanny or says this is proscripted, you have to do this. this is how you should live life in a way that's going to mean you are healthy, you can live a long life.

>> it's an epidemic and she's combatting it. everything stay with me. we'll be right back with the surprising reason why taylor swift posted this bikini photo, and the story that everyone is talking about, llamas on the loose.

we're back with "conversation nation."

caroline, mark and seema are here. okay everyone it's time for the llamas. my twitter feed exploded today when they llamas went on the loose in phoenix. they were running wild all over town, cable news and the social media couldn't get enough enough #llamas was the number one trend in the country, and everyone had fun with it. a former obama staffer tweeted -- a correct result of obama's llamnesty policy. andrea mitchell wrote -- i'm told we should say alleged llama, they could be alpacas. a fashion web side asked -- show up hands if you were rooting for those llamas like at the oscars? >> we have some llamas on the lam. see what i did there?

>> i think the last time we saw anything on this scale was really o.j. in the jeep. the amount of people talking about this. >> you know it's funny you said that. it's funny, because i was at the white house with other civil rights leaders meeting with president obama. when i came out. there was all these tweets. then one guy, i guess, trying to get sear castic said reverend al, while you were meeting with the president, the llamas were loose, and they caught the black one first. where were you to stand up? >> oh, my god, that's horrible. >> some profiling happening here among animal control? >> i have a gray one from our friend eric guster. he says -- llama gonna knock you out. l.l. cool j. >> why do you think it caught on and became so fascinating to everybody? >> everybody likes to root for an underdog. i grew up down the street from a

farm that had llamas. they have a lot of personality. i don't know if you've seen a llama up close, but people identified with the llamas here. i don't think anybody was rooting for the animal control group. that's an impassioned defense of llamas. >> i stand in solidarity with the llamas. >> i thought that even senator john mccain was getting into it. they were talking their business to talk about llama-gate. >> you did, too, all day in the control room was feeding you llama video. >> we -- i was doing work and then everyone else around mer was engrossed in llama-gate. i have to say props to jon favre rho. >> i think it also -- you know it is a relief for people in the middle of all of this craziness, but i don't know if i'm encouraged or not, caroline

when i'm hearing senators that should be getting the attorney general confirmed, and making sure that homeland security is funded are spending a lot of time watching the llamas being called in arizona. i don't know that all jokes aside, that i consider that a good use of time? >> i gra el with you, rev. that was the thing -- you saw informed -- supposedly politicians taking their time -- yeah, it was good fun, and it's fine for people to do that but if you are -- >> it's a llama on the street. >> i wish we could be talking about how department of homeland security continues to get funded. >> we can't be too -- >> they're no better than we are. >> hey, well we all sometimes look and are guilty of going for what is considered by some distractions. but caroline mark and seema, thank you for your time tonight. >> good to see you, rev. >> and joining the conversation. catch seema on "the docket"

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thee years ago trayvon martin was shot and killed today in sanford, florida. his death sparked a national conversation about race. today the president spoke of trayvon martin's less yeah and the legacy of so many others who we remember in black history month. >> one day a year is not enough to honor the kind of courage that they showed. today, on the third anniversary of trayvon martin's death, showing all of our kids all of them every single day that their lives matter that's part of our task. i want to thank trayvon's parents for being here on what's a very difficult day for them. it takes all of us. >> it takes all of us to make a difference. trayvon martin's death led to a push to undo stand your ground

laws and tighten gun laws and it spotlighted the justice system that has failed too many the likes of eric garner michael brown, that mira rice reminding us that three years later a lot has changed, but a lot of change is still left to come. but let us never forget trayvon martin as a human tornado. he -- human story. he was just 17 years old, going for an iced tea and a bag of skittles, for his brother so they could watch the all-star game together. he leaves behind amazing parents of strength. as a dozen of us met with president obama this morning talking as civil rights and religious leaders, about the criminal justice system about health care about education, i looked at the president sitting there in the white house, and thought about how far we've

come, and then i thought about the anniversary of trayvon and thought about how far we still yet have to go. but the progress we have made is when we all took that journey together of all races, standing up for what the promise of the country should be for everyone. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. \s now we know him. how do we get him? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris mast thew up in new york. every since isis started terrorizing americans this summer with horrific beheading, one man has personified the murders without showing his face. it sho