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he's done charity as long as he's had the ability to do it. that was his favorite thing other than comedy really was. now we know him. how do we get him? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris mast thew up in new york. every since isis started terrorizing americans this summer with horrific beheading, one man has personified the murders without showing his face. it showed in august, then in the videos of steven sat love, and he was last seen in the behiding video of kenji gotto in january with a distinct british accent,
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he often taunted the west. >> i'm back, obama. >> i'm back, obama. we now know who he is. "the washington post" reported today his name is mohammed emwazi, thought to be about 27 years old, born in kuwait. he grew up in london, comes from a well to do family, a college graduate who studied computer programming. a u.s. intelligence official confirmed his identity to nbc news. how do we account from this journey. "the washington post" offers a few hints. in 2009, he traveled to tanzania, where he and two friends were detained by police. he later said that british authorities detained him again when he returned to europe. the next year he tried to move back to his homeland of kuwait, but reportedly was prevented from doing so by authorities. according to the bbc, he came to the attention of counterterrorism officials in britain, as thought to be involved with extremists over in africa. while he made he way to syria
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and joined isis, he guarded western hostages. three were dubbed the beatles because of their accents, and according to all reports, they were brutal. they seemed to take pleasure. the abuse included prolonged beatings, mock executions, and repeated waterboarding. for more on the identity of this brutal man, i'm joined by richard engel. what do we know about mohammed emwazi. >> reporter: you outlined his biography. one of the key things is he was so well known to british authorities, to british intelligence and law enforcement. we keep seeing this, that was the case in paris where the two shooters were known, the two brothers were well known, had
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been under surveillance. the man who opened fire in that cafe in sydney, australia also had been under surveillance, actually was out on bail for allegedly murdering his wife. so in all of these cases we have people who have been tracked and yet somehow manage to slip through the cracks. not very surprising that he came from a middle class or somewhat better than middle class upbringing. people being attracted to isis have to pay their own way. they are not necessarily the poor and destitute who have no jobs. these are people who are idea logically driven to join a cause, to join the caliphate. he went there. he started out as a guard, one of the beatles, garden western hostages, brutalizing them, involved in waterboard and other forms of torture. then with these execution videos, he rose in prominence and became one of the group's most effective recruiters.
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one of the group's most effective spokesmen and the propaganda arm has been incredibly effective at drawing other people just lime mohammed myoi. and around 3 to 4,000 from western countries, just like the man from london now identified as mohammed emwassi. >> do they put a guy out with a british accent to say come on in, the water is fine, to encourage like-minded people, with a predilection perhaps towards this political point of view, if not the violence by their attitude about living in a different country. what is the motivation, by the way, if it's not money, and i never thought it was, for this ideological shift to the point of being a beheader? >> reporter: well, this is obviously someone who is deeply disturbed, someone who beheaded repeatedly and on camera what
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motivates someone to do that? you'd have to look into the mind of a murderer. what motivates people to join isis is something of a push and a pull. there is this -- the draw of joining the caliphate, the idea that has always been in circles in the islamic world, the caliphate needs to be restored, will one day will be restored and it's islamic duty to go and find and be part of the caliphate. then there is the group itself, which is advertising online all the time, on twitter, on social media, telling people come, the water is warm, come on in, and his beheadings were a key part of that messages campaign. so show power, really. if you remember, in all these videos, he's standing, holding his knife, wearing a holster. he's speaking and carrying himself with a swagger.
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he's calling president obama by just, you know, just referring to him as obama. and it shows power as his hostages kneeling, cowering in front of him in an orange jumpsuit about to be beheaded. i think that's what it's all about, for people who are angry, who want to see a change in the world, stand on its feet again. this group represents people who are taking action, and who won't say no, and are standing while their oppressors are kneeling, about to die. >> that's a very emphatic description. thank you very much, richard engel, over in istanbul. i'm joined by the direct ovr of national security studies at the royal services institute. what did you make of that assessment, that we're looking at someone who might be sociopathic in terms of what they do in behiding people, but the overall orientation is the extremist ideology, which i
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basically guess justifies the worst kind of behavior on the way toward the caliphate. >> i think that's probably a pretty accurate characterization in some ways. what you're dealing with is fundamentally a movement to create a new alternative world, create a sort of, you know, this is a politically motivated terrorist organization, so it's all about showing they're creating a new state, this is the van guard state that's leading the clashes of civilization that they see this happening between the muslim world and the west. this guy is sort of standing up, you know, as richard engel pointed out with these sort of people cowering, talking directly to the president of the united states. really standing up. it's a real show of strength and power, and really showing what they are doing in this islamic state, as they so call it, is creating a new world, also some that is attractive and people who want to be excited and drawn to these ideas, have a place to go to.
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>> let me ask about the psycho part of it, how do you get people to believe that the captors are captives are evil. >> i think it's probably individual cases have different rationale. if we look at historical case, there is some evidence that people have sociopsychopathic issues, but it often is a slow path. he may have initially participated in some training, may have been involved in some fighting, but then he seems to have risen up the ranks through that. it becomes easier maybe to accept this is the sort of thing that needs to be done to really advance your cause and advance your message. then of course there's the other aspect, once he has been maybe told by his superior to do something, it's difficult to say no, and then you're tied in,
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once you participate and wrap yourself in, maybe you get stuck in these choices. so i think we have to look at it at also some that doesn't happen overnight. it happens over a longer period of time and sort of a brutalization of an individual. >> i keep thinking of the ss in world war ii. thank you. the arrest of those men from brooklyn yesterday, who were acased of plotting to fight for isis. a fourth man has been arrested tonight, being questioned in connection to the other men, but not charged yet. rather being held on immigration charges. bill bratton warned of the danger if people fail in their effort to travel overseas and decide to wage jihad over here. >> this is real. this is the concern about the lone wolf inspired to act without ever going to the mideast, or once they get there acquire skills, attempting to
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return to the country. james comey also made clear the threat is very real. >> we have investigations in people in various stages of radicalizing in all 50 states. i tell my state and local partners, this is about all of being connected tightly. this isn't a new york phenomenon or washington phenomenon. this is all 50 states, and in ways that are very lard to see. >> i'm joined by thomas sanderson, codirector of the transnational threats society and center for strategic and international studies. mr. sanderson, thank you for this. do you have a clue about why someone living in america, or living in western europe, especially here, though, which -- we take pride in this country and our ability to simulate people, but you can become an american in one generation, your comfort in this country. what is the problem with these people that don't fit?
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>> it may have nothing to do with their experience in america, though sometimes it does. in europe it has more of their experience will. for these young guys, and many others who want to go to syria and iraq, it's about what's happening there, the sense of -- the hatred over those who are fighting, those who they are fighting against, the shia, those engaged in the coalition, the defense of the caliphate, all of these things are highly motivating and would push someone whether they are integrated or not in the united states, to go over and fulfill a mission that they feel they have a duty to fulfill. >> why would they want to go over and kill coptic christians or uzitis or sunni. it's not sunni versus shia in so many cases. it seems they're out to kill anybody in their path. >> there's a different story and motivation behind each person. they may be interested in killings christians or other sunnis they deem insufficiently muslim, or they're largely going after shia. so it totally depends on which
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one we're talking about here. >> what about the threat that bill bratton just mentioned on this tape, if they get confounded in their efforts to get over there to the islam ir state to help develop the caliphate, make it grow, that they might move here? >> well, think about those that are living in a sense of marginalization, where they don't feel they have capability or power or sense of purpose. they want to go over and fight, yet they're unable to do it. that compounds their sense of impotency and leaving them with few options which includes attacking in place, either where they live or traveling to other parts of the united states. those that fail to go over and that are motivated to go over, they i think are very dangerous individuals, because they now feel even more incapable of fulfilling their duty, and they'll look around and see plenty of targets. >> all they have to do is find a semiautomatic weapon of some kind and they can do mass killing.
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>> absolutely, which is very simple in the states. >> unfortunately it's too handy. thank you for that expertise. coming up more and more americans say they support military action against isis. how will president obama, the president who got us out of iraq, deal with this growing call to get us back in. the red hots on the right host their annual jam boree. the name of the game is who can hate president obama and hillary clinton the most? and donald trump says this time he really means it. he says he's serious about running for president in 2016. i said once again it's peanuts time, and once again lucy is really promising charlie brown she really won't pull that football away. finally let me finish with the face of evil behind the isis mask. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
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down homeland security?
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>> it shows how off the rails the republican party is. we were allows nancy pelosi to be the spokeswoman for homeland security. that should be on you issue we are the parties of homeland security. the people who say they're conservative, republicans, they are the ones who will ruin the republican party, so we have to end this and the speaker has to bring this to a vote. >> i think congressman king is embarrassed by his party. we'll be right back after this.
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welcome back to "hardball." support is growing for u.s. ground war against isis in this country. according to a new pugh research poll, supports for american ground troops to fight isis has grown by eight points since october. 47% now favor it that poll is hardly an outlier. and according to this month's cbs news poll, 57, a strong percentage now supports sending u.s. troops to the middle east p
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so how does president obama deal with this growing call for war with the bad guys? john is a radio el tired army lieutenant colonel, insurgency experts, and eugene robinson is a pulitzer price winning columnest. colonel, please tell us how you would use ground troops to defeat isis? >> we currently have some 3,000 american for combat troops forbidden from embedding, forbidden from engaging in com pat. i would multiply that by five, 15,000 combat advisers embedded inside every iraqi and kurdish everyone. they would accompany those you aren'ts to the front lines, call in air strikes, provide front line intelligence and help us defeat isis in very short order. >> what would happen if thof xwoded or officers were captured or beheaded.
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wouldn't that cause this country to go for a much greater escalation right on the spot? >> this country should go for a much greater escalation. >> 15,000 is just the ande here? >> no, i think 15,000 is a good number. we want the iraqi and kurdish forces to do frankly most of the killing and dies, and some americans may die in that effort, but as the president has correctly stated, we have to defeat and ultimately destroy isis. they were a threat to us, our friends and our interests around the globe. they have to be defeated and defeated soon. >> i'm not asking tricky questions. you said if they grabbed one of our guys, we would probably have the urge, the feeling we should escalate with more troops. is there a limit on your thinking to how far can we go without making this an american war? >> i don't think we need much more than 15,000. i do think americans will die in that effort, and i think this effort is so important that that price is worth maying. >> when we take the ground back
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from isis, and i'd love to see us do it, if we take the ground back, who do we turn it over to for the occupation? >> we're going to see a long-term presence of american advisers supporting iraqi and kurdish ground forces to occupy that territory for probably a generation to come. >> what country gets sovereignty over it? >> iraq. >> iraq government led by shia take over sunni territory? would that work? >> it does and will as long as the shia-dominated government continues to provide legal protections to the sunnis. hopefully it's learned its lesson. >> that's a hopeful line. what do you think the president has to do. you know the politics as well as i do. the appreciate is grohhing really i think among republicans and some independents for military action on the ground. >> well, first of all, i think the president is not anxious to have ground troops in iraq, obviously, and certainly not in syria. i think if he believed we could
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do it with 15,000 troops, he might take another look at it, but my guess is -- and i have not heard this from him, but my guess is he believes that's optimistic. i certainly -- that frankly sound optimistic to me, because the question is, is the one you asked. first of all, are you able, with the iraqi arm, which essentially collapsed, are you able with 15,000 u.s. advisers, able to recapture that territory, much less hold it? second, how are you dealing with the fact that isis is holding the sunni territory with the help of the sunni tribal leaders? and the sunni forces essentially? and essentially right now we're supporting three different groups who are all at war with each other. the kurds and the shiites and sunnis, do you send -- put advisers with all of them so they all fight each other?
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i don't understand how this works with just 15,000. it seems to me that you inevitably escalate and you end up with a whole lot more than that. >> colonel nagl, your response? >> first they're not all at war with each other. second, 15,000 american advisers is plenty. we currently have no american advisers intended. i trained advisers during the earlier phases of this war, teams of a dozen or so american advisers inside a battalion of 500 or so troops will multiply the combat effectiveness of those forces. the iraqi and kurdish forces will be able to hold the territory once it's been cleared largely by american airpower, and then the territory will be cleared and held by iraqi and kurdish troops. they can't do it on their own. they're going to need the combat multipliers that american advisers bring. >> colonel, what do we bring to the fight?
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do we bring the fight to the fight? do they have the fight in them to take on isis? or do we have to bring that sense of fight to them? you say they need us, but do they need us for materiel. >> they need 9 additional oomph to squeeze isis out of the territory. with american advisers, american airpower is infinitely more effective, but advisers, intelligence moving right down to the front lines. with american advisers, their will to fight and their knowledge if they are wounded they'll be helped and they'll receive help, all increases dramatically. >> well, my question to gene, i think we agree, if we were fighting on the sides of the south koreans we wouldn't have any problems, with the turks in the korean war, i they. i think we're fight are on the side of an army, i don't think the government of baghdad has the capability to raise a true army of sunni people who are willing to take back that
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territory. >> well, i'm not sure, either. i wonder what happens to the iranians who are right now playing a role in bolstering the shia-dominated iraqi forces to the extent they're able to fight at all, to hold that part of southern iraq that they're able to hold? do we just brush them aside? do we fight alongside the iranians? or what -- or do we just sort of ignore their presence? i've got to ask you -- i want to ask you the tough question on the left. how long can our president survive in office politically and have his credibility as leader and commander in chief when we have these behidings, burnings alive all on television. to me it us. how long can he put up with it without taking aggressive action against the enemy? >> look, he's president. he doesn't have to face the
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voters again. obviously there are other political considerations, and it does weaken him and stretch his credibility. if as this stuff continues. i think the president would love, for example, to be able to take out jihadi john with a drone and be able to say, you know, we got that guy. and to present a couple of high-profile successes from the current campaign to illustrate why there's perhaps no need to escalate the battle. >> right. >> i just tend to feel, um, you know, without prejudging the issue, but i tend to feel that if you're in for a dime, you're in for a whole lot more than a dime. >> this fight has just begun. this is a good argument for america right now. thank you both. up next donald trump is once again making noises about running for president. why is anyone taking this talk seriously?
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welcome back to "hardball." don't trump is saying against he's more serious than ever about running for president. according to "the washington post," trump has delayed negotiations on the next season of "the celebrity apresentition" and is staffing up in key primary states. he met with republican national committee chairs reince priebus on monday of this year to discuss hi potential 2016 presidential campaign. this is at least the fourth time that donald trump has toyed publicly with the idea of running for president. he floated the idea for several numbs back in 1987. he didn't run that time, of course, but was asked about it after bush won that nomination, the first bush. >> you took out full-page ads in
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"new york times" to talk about your foreign policy. >> i do fee very strongly about the country, but i think you're going to have probably george bush as the next president. >> i wasn't talking about this year, but you said if you ran, you -- >> i i like to win when i do something. >> then in 1999, he talked about openly running for president in the 2000 election. >> everyone who runs for public office has to look into the camera and tell people why they should vote for him. >> i'll just look at you. i'll look you right in the eyes and say i would be a great president if i decide to do it. i know how things should run. this country has not run properly. if i were president, this country would indeed run properly. >> four years ago e. he teesed the country with the prospect of another run, using president obama's birth certificate as his main issue. >> it's hard to believe that obama became the president of the united states.
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not because of race, not because of color, not because of anything but because of all of the things we don't know about him. why did he spend millions trying to get out of the birth certificate issue? >> this is beginning to sound like groundhog day. i'm hearing sonny and cher sinning requests i got you, baby." there's that clock radio in the morning, that donald trump is running for president. ron, your theory? >> well, donald trump will be a strangely coifed comedy grenade if he decides to get in. this guy has absolutely no policy credentials whatsoever, mostly motivated by self-interest and appears to say -- i promise you, i promise you the republican party stalwarts, the people iraning real campaigns, they are not happy about this.
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this is going to turn a three-ring circus into a freak show. >> let me show you something along those lines. when it comes to policy, donald trump has taken some unconventional positions. for instance in 1987, he said the united states should simply take over iran's oil. let's watch. >> iran has taken advantage of this country for years. iran is in big trouble. the next time they fire so much as a bullet at one of our ships, we should take over their oil. i have no doubt about it. donnell, that might start a war. we'll have a war through weakness, you take over the office, let them have the rest of their country. we just want the oil. >> you know, compared to him, chris christie sounds like sweetpea. i don't know that it works. how do you do this? kill a bunch of iranians take over the oil, and we end up giving the oil back. what kind of game are we talking about here? >> game is the right world here. does anybody seriously thing that donald trump is serious,
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that he would actually want to be president? he likes the attention, as you said, this is a good way to attraction attention. maybe he gets more money for his television show this way, because he can be the former presidential candidate donald trump. i'll make a prediction for you. i don't really get into predictions, much, but this one i'll go way out on a limb. donald trump will never, ever be president of the united states. >> i've got a guy to back up that prediction. trump himself did once say he would probably never run. it was here in "hardball" back in 2003. here he is. >> here's what said, i continue to be interested in the political process, and cannot rule out a possible candidacy in 2004. that was february 2000. >> that was a long time ago. i hadn't heard that one a long time. >> you heard it here. >> i never did run and probably never will run. >> thank you, we had to go back to the tapes for that, but we
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found it. ron, i think you're right on that bet. up next, from one circus to another, the cpac conference is under way, a contest to see who hates president obama and hillary clinton the mostest. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.
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welcome back to "hardball." today was the first day of the annual conservative political action conference, called cpac. kicking off the event were a few presidential hopefuls who took their turns bashing president obama and his potential successor hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton embodies the corruption of washington. obama care is a train wreck. that's actually not fair to train wrecks. >> i started to talk about all the failures selfthe current administration, but i figured that was too depressing. that's probably why they're ready for hillary, too. >> yes, mr. president, isis indeed wants to drive the whole world back to the middle ages, but the rest of us moved on about 800 years ago. like mrs. clinton, i too have traveled the globe.
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unlike mrs. clinton, i know that flying is an activity, not an accomplishment. sarcasm wins the day down there. for more, let's bring in the roundtable, the former chair of the american conservative union which runs this thing, jonathan capehart, and mercedes shlaff. is the mood that nasty, or am i imagining that everybody knows if you want to score a 10 down there, whack the president, and on the way by, whack hillary. >> look, it's part of the show, but the main purpose is to train, give the tools and the toolbox to young activists and older activists to be there for the 2016 challenge, to learn something. the only place in the world in the country really that you can watch wannabe for 2016 back to
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back to back and make your own choices. chris, the ultimate goal in my opinion, is this candidate a statesman or crowd pleaser? number two has he given me or she a clear path to where america needs to be or should be. so those are the two goals that i always had as a youngster. >> you're making my point, al. all the these people come in with the door prizes. they come in with the snapper jokes about hillary thinking that travel is work, and somebody else comparing it as a train wreck. this is all prepared material, and all it is is applause lines to snap at the president and the possible future nominee. it's all prepared ahead, cooked ahead and broke the in to excite the kids out there. >> you know, there's a time for everything. what is this a time for? >> the time is for practical solution, for problem-solving, for heading america in the right
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direction and politics after all, it's all about the art of the possible. that's what i love to see at the end of the program. >> i'm with you. mercedes, do you think that's what they're going to do, cook up solution for america's problems or just hatchet jobs? >> i think it's both. first of all what this is doing is rallying the base. the rally cry. this is the fact for conservatives they are tired of the six years of obama presidency. they don't want a follow-up with a hillary presidency. you train your activists, get them motivated, and you basically have this parade of different candidates that are coming out and, yes, they're going to be given the one-liners, gull guess what, chris? the media is covering the one-liners. it's how they're best rallies the base. they have panels on a bunch of very different topics. it's also trying to educate and prepare the conservative base
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for what's coming up in the next 21 months before the 2016 election. >> you can't have problems, al and mercedes, because i believe chelsea clinton will be well over 35 by 2024 -- >> another clinton? >> this may be your wort nightmare. scott walker, who is surging in the polls, also aimed hi fire at president obama and hillary clinton. >> we have a president, a president who drawing lines in the sand and fails to act. a president who calls isis the j.v. club, who calls yemen a success, and who calls iran a country we can do business with, and to add insult to injury, who's former secretary of state actually gave a reset button to the russians, a reset button! we need a leader in some eric who stands up and realizes that radical islamic terrorism is the threat to our way of life and to all freedom-loving people around the world. >> well, john, did he hit all
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the button, it could jim by terrorism. every point, he knows his stuff. if that speech were a pinball machine, he hit all the flippers and bumpers. he was in tone and in his substance. i don't agree with anything he just said, but i have to tell you, he struck me as rather impressive there. it's a pity, though, that he can't be that impressive when he's not speaking from his stump speech, when he's asked a question about evolution, when he asked a question about the president and his religion. when he's schedule questions that are off the cuff and contemporaneous, he can't seem to perform, but no wonder he's high in the polls against his likely challengers. chris christie sat down for a question and answer period, than what he wanted with laura ingraham.
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christie told ingraham is the choice of the elegalities in the gop, not a -- >> a lot of the fancy political consultants and a lot of the media types covering this today, they basically think this is jeb bush's race to lose. >> if the elites in washington who make bamroom deals decide who the president will be, he's definitely the front-runner. >> it seems like your party has taste for the populism. >> as i get older, i get a little less patient with whining and cynicism. i was with jeb bush when he visited the sugar mills in florida, a big industry. when he demanded of the owners better housing and conditions for the farm workers. i was with jeb bush when he fought for the underserved and unrepresented in seeking immigration policies that were
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compassionate with people. i was with jeb bush one night -- and frankly i walked past a homeless man and he stopped to see how he was doing. i don't think -- i don't think comments of that nature about anybody. i wouldn't say anything about chris christie like that or anyone else. >> from their heart, is jeb bush conservative enough to be the republican nominee in 2016? >> you know, a meeting in 2000 decided they wanted to cover intensely the differences between the bush brothers. you recall that. >> right. >> now the whole coverage is about how similar they were. they are all different, as siblings in every family are different. so he has a lot of time fortunately to tell the american people what he's all about. he was one of the most conservative govern orszs the
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country had when he stepped down in 2006. he -- from -- i've got their quotes, and i've got their comments about what a great conservative he was. >> to make your point, al, i think he's hillary people worst nightmare. if he wins the nomination, the middle is in play. is this headline in today's headline -- this is "hardball," the place for politics. carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angiealist.com. no more calling around. no more hassles. and you don't even have to be a member to start shopping today! angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today.
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here is a update on benjamin netanyahu's trip to washington next week. he will meet with republican and democratic leaders of the senate. mitch mcconnell announced the meeting today. earlier, he refused an invitation to meet with democrats saying it would look partisan. he's been asked to address the congress just two weeks before his election by john bayner and the white house. he wasn't notified at the time. we'll be right back.
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we're back, a conflict of interest can be a dangerous thing in politics especially if it sticks to your party's future nominee for president.
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today's big story places serious scrutiny on the money behind the clinton foundation. they report that the clinton foundation accepted millions of dollars. republican presidential hopefuls ripped into the story today when talking about the cpac gathering. >> mrs. clinton, please name an accomplishment. and in the meantime, in the meantime, please accept and explain why we should accept that the millions and millions of dollars that have flowed into the clinton foundation from foreign governments do not represent a conflict of interest. we could have had hillary here.
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but we could not find a foreign nation to foot the bill. >> he said it with a smirk but it still has power. back at the round table, are you guys going to jump on this? >> absolutely, this is just one of those episodes where we're seeing the true clinton come out which is pay for play. this is too close for her to be in this foundation, accept money from foreign government knowing at some point that some of the governments were lobbying her while she was secretary of state. this is absolutely a very sticky situation, i believe, for the clinton's. republicans can come out and justify saying this loophole they have with the foreign government and hillary clinton and that relationship is just -- it can be very problematic for them. >> jonathan, how do you deal with this on the editorial page? >> these are legitimate questions.
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the key here will be how secretary clinton and the clinton foundation responds as more and more of these questions come up. i would like to point out that when our paper, the post, went to the clinton foundation and asked these things the foundation answered. we have to keep in mind that in the clip you just read from the story, there was an agreement between the obama administration and the foundation about what it can and cannot do. as you read, only one of those donations was in violation of that agreement, but still it will require them to explain what that agreement entails, and what kind of influence it had, if any. i take issue with the word lobbying because she is not lobbing for anything, she can't write legislation, she had no
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say over laws, but foreign governments. >> let's call it influence. it's influence, it's meetings with the state department. >> for the record, the state department is sticking with hillary saying she is okay on this. thank you. great conversation tonight, we'll be right back after this. the name your price tool. she's not to be trusted. kill her. flo: it will save you money! the name your price tool isn't witchcraft! and i didn't turn your daughter into a rooster. she just looks like that. burn the witch! the name your price tool a dangerously progressive idea.
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