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do not take this upon freed democrat loving people all across the world. >> obviously today i think trying to make the connection between isis and unions was a mistake. these are americans. we're talking about people in the case of isis beheading individuals and committing heinous crimes. this is the face of evil. to try to make the relationship between them and the unions is -- >> did you miss me? i was about to say it is good to be back. >> yes. hello. welcome to the bigs. scott walker gives this great speech. i mean rave reviews from inside

of there. >> yeah. >> then you make a line. you say a line. you compare -- >> i mean nobody here knows what that feels like. >> we all make mistakes. we actually do understand but boy, it came out wrong so that's all people are going to be talking about. >> understand the set-up. i was there. beginning, middle of the speech he got his biggest applause line when he started talking about the unions. then a heckler came out and said don't sign this bill in wisconsin. he kept going. he's jazzed up about it. the q&a section starts. how would you handle isis. until the very end when he made this comparison. >> the fact of the matter is -- i don't think it will hurt scott walker in the long run but there was that time when the badger mascot got its head carved --

no that didn't happen it. did it? not in wisconsin. >> are you talking about bucky? the badger? >> i take that back. jeremy, you were there as well. but this fits into a narrative that might make some donors a little nervous. but scott walker's numbers will probably just go up. >> i think that incident showcased his strengths and how untested he is as a candidate. one thing that's so appealing to conservatives about scott walker, he's won. he's fought tough fights againsted aagainst ed a adversaries. >> i heard the speech was great by cpac standards. >> the speech was very well received. until that point i had not seen the room as full as it was. it wasn't that full for christie. it wasn't that full for ben

carson. one thing we need to remember about scott walker is how untested he is in a kind of general election setting where people come out from both the left and the right. because -- okay. wisconsin is a pumpis purple state. walker's only won it when there have been off-cycle leaks. he's never really been tested in an electorate like that. let's begin with other headlines in washington. it looks like the shutdown of the department of homeland security may be funded. house republicans have agreed to vote today on a clean three-week extension ever funding. >> which is obviously something we suggested here yesterday. >> well, something. >> because it makes sense. why not do that while the courts are trying to figure out what they want to do. because if you are a democrat

you don't want to fund something that's unconstitutional. obviously. because we love america. all democrats love america. republicans don't want to shut down dhs. a perfect compromise. >> three weeks is not that long considering the fact even if the district court decides, it is going to get -- >> the d.c. circuit may come back and overturn it. . in that case -- >> just keep it open and stop bickering. >> we don't want to fund an unconstitutional action, mika. i no he you say to hell with the constitution and you said -- >> right. here we go again. i was not in the south of france. i was at the human performance institute. >> she speaks french sometimes. she and bill kristol spend so

much time in france they sort of slip into french. >> i am not going to jump on your bandwagon because i was invited to the first "be your best self conference." >> we're going to stone him. >> any way, this proposal would postpone the deadline to march 9th. >> earlier on thursday before stop gap proposal was introduced speaker john boehner was again pressed by reporters whether the house with a is take up the senate's clean bill to fund the department for the rest of the year. his performance was anything but dull. what's going on here? >> i just think it is outrageous that senate democrats are using homeland security funding for blackmail to protect actions of

the president where the president himself said he didn't have the authority to do this. yesterday the white house press secretary said that this is a fight amongst republicans. it is not a fight amongst republicans. all republicans agree that we want to fund the department of homeland security and we want to stop the president's executive actions with regard to immigration. >> homeland security funding runs out on friday. are we less safe as a nation? >> if ands and buts were candy and nuts every day would be christmas. >> it is going to be a clean hhs funding bill. >> when we make decisions, i'll let you know. >> what's he doing there? why is he blowing kisses? >> valentine's day is passes. >> i have no idea. >> come on sam. i want to see that. >> let's see that again.

>> jeremy why the kissing? what's going on there? what kind of statement was he making. let's put it back up. >> no! please don't. the children will run away. >> was he kissing lou? >> no. >> i really don't -- >> i'm not satisfied with any of these answers. i can't make any sense of it. >> i know a lot of dirty old men who did that to me. i'm throwing up. that brought back bad memories. >> immigration fight is moving

forward. democratic senate leader saying that would not be the case. >> we've heard all kinds of rumors the house is going to take our fully funded bill and send it back with a number of riders on it. it is a waste of time. we won't allow it to take place. if they send over a bill with all the riders in it they shut down the government. >> willie jeremy peters you covered capitol hill so closely. sincere question here. why can't they just take these two issue us with be separate them. dhs fund something one thing, executive action on immigration is another. vote on them separately. >> can we have a split cam on mika? she's now left. mika where are you? get back here. >> speaking of split, guys -- >> joe, wait.

this is a visual. >> goen, enon jeremy, answer. >> i was just going to say i think it is hard to see how we don't end up back in the same situation we ended up in 2013 the same situation last year after the crom innibus das sterisaster. >> the fight continues. mika, have you contained yourself? it is a freak show capitol hill. >> can i make a request? this is a visual 3450ed yamedia. just as a science experiment. split screen of boehner blowing the kisses and harry reid. there is a mini series.

back story of harry reid. just those two visuals. we don't need any sound. and there will be something. >> ladies and gentlemen, america's leaders. let's go. going to the cpac story. while we're on politics. if you guys could get that ready. >> let me get my scott walker --e'll talk about it now. if the annual political action conference -- are you guys with me? good. it's in full swing. thursday's lineup featured a number of likely presidential contenders who all took the stage to make their best pitch to the conservative base and as expected, they had one person in common. take a look. >> i'm for putting our health care in you are o hands and not in the hands of some bureaucrat. >> we must repeal every single

word of obamacare. >> washington wants obamacare. the people want liberty. >> repeal every blasted word of obamacare. >> there's a lot of -- >> does bill kwlnclinton get more southern when he's in the south? ted cruz just got baltimore ted cruz. right? did he? was that hannity? in front of hannity -- just put it up. this one goes to -- >> ted cruz is an excellent performer. i don't mean that as a negative. >> he's a great speaker. >> but the star of cpac is scott walker. >> dsit is the way you say it.

churchill. donny deutsch. donald trump. trump's going to be talking at noon today. come on. "the apprentice"? i mean -- you know what? they almost -- geraldo almost won. >> you're watching the"the apprentice" apprentice"? >> i got to give you vintage trump. >> i'm being shut out today. >> we'll do this at the end. >> oh no. that's like joe. don't do that. all right. let's switch gears here. we have two other headlines this morning to get to. then we can talk about trump talking at noon today. first we are learning new details about the man who until yesterday was known as only jihadi john. he is the masked terrorist who appeared in numerous videos.

he had been on the radar of intel agencies for years. >> reporter: his british accent was one of the few clues to his identity. only his eyes showing from behind a hood but he has been identified. mohammed emwazi mid 20s college educated born in kuwait, came to the uk in 1994. son of a well-to-do family that reportedly lives in this middle class london home where police and reporters gathered far from the syrian desert where emwazi was the isis front man. this man knew emwazi in london. >> does that sound like the man you knew?

>> i really don't want to be certain but i can't deny the fact that i do find there are a number of similarities for sure. >> reporter: the reporter who identified emwazi says he wasn't always violent. >> he was a shy person very interested, devoted to religion to his family. >> he studied computer programming at london's westminster university leaving in 2009. sources here say he emwazi did have connections to extremists in splalomalia and was known to the british intelligence agencies. the daughter of one slain hostage said identifying emwazi was a good step but she wants more. >> i think all the families will feel closure because there is humility in his eyes. >> if we just get jobs programs this will all go away? once again we have somebody from tan upper middle class family

osama bin laden's family owned saudi arabia. it is misguided to think that this is about people that are disaffected and they're poor. these people don't come from the slums of somalia. these people come from middle class to upper middle class neighborhood. >> it's. people who are disaffected whether or not they are poor or not. >> by what? >> jobs programs and working on helping societies move in the right direction and develop is definitely a part of a counterstrategy. you can't just stamp everyone out. >> his parents were upper class. he went to university and now he's carving people's heads off. >> what are you saying? >> if you go out there and say it is about a jobs program, you are going to lose. it is, unfortunately, about hunting down bad guys and killing them. >> we both flow that. >> i think right now a long-term play may be from to over time help people in places like the

palestinian territories and across the middle east. i understand that over the next 15 20 years. that's the long play. right now we got to beat isis. if we think this is anything more about a religious death cult we're making a horrible mistake. >> i understand that completely but you think the arguments are separate. let's bring in -- >> hold on. hold on. and i understand completely twha lyly what you're saying. joining us now from london founding ceo of the institute for strategic dialogue and in is istanbul nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel engel. >> richard begin with you. first, do you have any news this morning to talk about, feel free to do that. but also following up on point that too often we think a lot of these people from the slums of somalia. the much bigger problem is he this often come from middle class or upper middle class educated families. we saw that from the three girls

that slipped into syria from the uk. now we find out about about this guy that's been carving off heads of americans. >> reporter: yeah. i was just hearing the argument that you and mika were having. you seem to be having arguments every single day. getting more acrimonious by the time. have you been spending time in my part of the world? first on the headlines. the ministry of defense in iraq had put out a statement trying to show progress. it said it was an iraqi air strike on wednesday that targeted an isis leadership meeting in the town right along the iraqi-syrian border. according to iraqi officials, a large number of seen yonior isis leaders were killed. this is iraq trying to put its base in the best face it can. to a larger point, it is a very

complicated answer. what drives someone to join isis. it is certainly not poverty. that wasn't the case with jihadi john. it wasn't the case with osama bin laden. it wasn't the case of ayman al zahra which, zahra zahrary. it is an ideological decision. they want to join this apocalyptic vision and establish an islamic state. they are doing that because they are dissatisfied with the islamic world. they see the islamic world as being run by corrupt world. they see poverty and the wlak of lack of opportunities around them. they think islamic world can do better than the corrupt uneducated world that's the islamic world right now in

general. >> see? we're both right. >> what's sad, richard engel covers isis and all the hell going on. but he goes back he'll go to istanbul to talk to terror experts. you think i'd bad over here? you should see joe and mika every morning. it just keeps getting worse. >> he's never shell shocked in a war zone yet when he watches you, he's ducking. >> had he does bring up a great point, that there are two sides of this story. and it is not just one or the other. you can't just kill them all. you've got to have a follow-up strategy. >> sasha, you have a fascinating angle on this. that is the digital -- or internet advantage that isis has gained in both recruiting and organizing them selves. talk about that a little bit and why governments are so far behind. >> absolutely. just to weigh in on this argument in the studio i think

it is extremely important to understand that purely socio socioeconomicsocio socioeconomic arguments and understandings of radicalization are simply 34ising the larger picture. the ideology piece is central, propagated through an incredibly sophisticated on and offline marketing strategy that preceding isis is put in play for a very long time. isis in a way has just been the most sophisticated of the lot. jihadi john is an interesting case of a man that became totally iconic. isis supporters have shared his images more than perhaps any other figure. it just gives you an insight into how valuable from a pr perspective western recruits are to organizations like isis. they've been prolific in the online space. the images of these people have been shared?

disproportionately large numbers. and they are extremely influential in terms of recruiting others from the west. >> donny deutsch, can i ask you a quick question? so we hear that isis has this great advantage. what should we do? >> well it's interesting. >> we in fact should have -- of course, advantage is on our side. these are technologies communication strategies that our companies have developed. what we haven't been doings is key ploying them in the counterspeech, counternavetive space in the way these guys have. we need to steal back the tools we've created and apply them en masse in this space. >> one of the leaders just came out and said we are losing the war on the internet. this soes yes economic argument is obviously one thing but this is the enemy right now. in the sense that if you just say by nature we are talking about people who are disenfranchised,

disenfranchised, who are on their own. you're in a basement, in minneapolis, you have a he got this. this is the most vulnerable way in. that is the toughest fight we have right now, whether it is the west whether it is all every the world. they ironically are beating us to the punch, beating our counterterrorism to how to use this tool. this is the deadliest weapon. >> richard engel, i don't understand why our governments can't hook up with say, hollywood, figure out a way to have underground sites, show what happens when you become a member of isis. chances are good you're going to die. just like osama bin laden died with al qaeda and on and on. do you see any foreign governments or any indications the united states that somebody gets it that somebody is going to try to fight isis on its own internet battlefield? >> well i think it is going to have to come from the islamic world frankly. we're starting to see that a little bit after the jordan yaen pilot was burned alive.

after isis has started to put people in cages. you saw islamic leaders finally speaking out against them. by the way, there have been radical movements in islam and other religions, but in islam is what we are talking about right now for centuries. they have generally flamed themselves out. they have gone away because the islamic establishment rejected them and basically got rid of them. i think that's what's going to have to happen in the long term. it is not necessarily hollywood messaging that's going to convince these people that what they are doing is the wrong thing. it is not going to be a don't-do-drugs campaign put online that's saying you shouldn't join isis and go overseas and join this group. it will have to be the islamic community publicly and very aggressively delegit midzimizeing

them. i think that eventually will happen because these groups have traditionally flamed out in the past. but the u.s. has to be cautious and guard against these people. it is not just a war online. they are willing to go out and carry out real atrocities in the real world. >> richard engel, thank you very much. sasha, thank you is well. still ahead, tony blinken will be here. and one of the senate's tomorrow democrats, chuck schumer joins us. plus, it is no the just athletes going tore gold in the upcoming olympics. how gamblers in vegas are getting in on the action. we'll be right back.

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two llamas part of a petting zoo are at a care center for elderly. they decided they didn't want to be part of the demonstration and ran for their lives. look at this guy chasing -- what is he going to do? they're run around for almost two hours. finally they were surrounded by no no like walter payton the la ma got away. they didn't want any part of anyone. fortunately, there are still people in the united states who know how to use a lasso and this guy missed on the first attempt. he goes and he's got the big la is sew an he throws it and, yes, he ropes a la ma. took it in custody. now they're both in prison. >> that's great. >> i was wondering what all the la ma talk online was about. >> donny deutsch knows how i feel now. everybody interrupted him. even our guest from london. go give him a lug. all right.

he knows how i feel. it's terrible, doneny.ny. it's like you can't even finish a thought. come on let's hug it out. >> joe, don't ever do that to me. thanks. >> what's he wearing? >> it's like he's got grease on him. >> just his hair gel. it's just his slippery personalities. >> time to look at the morning papers. >> a film. yeah. >> film. >> totally grossed out. okay. the las vegas review journal regulators with the nevada gaming commission gave unanimous sport to. betting on the summer games. that allows -- sprinter usain

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joining us now from c pack in national harbor maryland senior editor of hot air, ed morrissey. and in washington, associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. >> and last year's c pack chairman. eugene robinson. >> is ed in a casino? >> it looks like he is in a casino. it is just like i won the masters in '87. the year after nicholas.

nobody remembers gene robinson. cpac chairman. was unbelievable. a great wall street editorial by the great peggy noonan. >> sorry, jeb, the race is wide open. that's her title. jeb bush is said by some and treated by many as the front-runner, the one to beat. i don't see it. in fact i think he is making a poor impression. mr. bush's operation, according to "the new york times," muscling party strategists to advice him and no one else. that's a piece in the "new york times" actually today. again a message is sent, be with us now or we'll remember later. he literally says that. it looks less like a sales pitch than a hostile takeover. what is most missing so far is a fierce sense of engagement a passionate desire to lead america out of the morass of fiery, that he is the man for moment. in its place we see a softer with be i'm smart, accomplished

no policy and it is my turn. wow. >> ed morrissey, pretty tough words for peggy noonan who has a thing or two to say about presidents. but at the same time, ed, houmtw many people in that room think jeb is a foregone conclusion? >> no men.body. i think jeb bush will have a very tough sale at cpac. this is not the crowd he needs to mobilize to win the nomination. this is not going to be the crowd that makes his sale. >> what about the republican primary in general. it seems to me that again, there are a lot of really good candidates out there. i just wonder whether this approach that peggy noonan describes that jeb bush and his people are taking which is a very heavy handed approach does that backfire in the long run? >> oh absolutely i think it

does. this is a wide-open race. people are talking about this race as if it's jeb bush scott walker, marco rubio and maybe that's about it. we haven't heard from -- we haven't seen a real organizational rollout from a few of the other republican governors who might get into that ris. we haven't seen much from people in the senate. this is way, way, way too early to be saying. >> gene, back to scott walker's comparison about fighting 100,000 protesters and isis. to me it shines a lot on -- you can go back to a county organizer who became president -- how when people are running for president, how truly unprepared they really are to make that statement to compare these brutal brutal brutal killers to union protesters. really?

are you in any way shape or form even ready to understand the job of president? >> welcome to prime time. it is a kind of statement that one hopes in the middle of the campaign after you've done this for a couple of months you'd never dream of making such a statement. but here's his debut. he comes out, he goes to cpac and he says something really really inappropriate and stuped.id. one hopes he dials it back and learns from it. totally inappropriate. it is a different stage, it is a different role it is a different job. it is not wisconsin and isis is not union members in wisconsin. scott walker i'm sure is bright enough toy understand the mistake. if he's no the, he's no the going to go very far. >> ed willie geist. good to have you with us this morning. curious about your perspective. which candidate has most people excited? a lot of people in the press

love talking about jeb bush. among people that you talked to in that room where is the guy or two guys sh? >> other than me, ed. >> other than joe scarborough and mika brzezinski, yesterday was probably ted cruz. he did a great setup here with sean hannity on the stage with him, giving a little question and answer. scott walker did a good job but i was -- if that was a little trial balloon, let's hope it's popped and has flown offstage never to be seen again. that was really not a wise moment from scott walker. but again, it is early in the campaign. i think it's not a fatal mistake by any stretch of the imagination but let's hope it doesn't make an appearance later on down the campaign trail. >> ed morrissey nk thatthank you so much. gene robinson stay with us. gene we'll also look for you ary piece in today's washington

about iran. i know we're pressed going to break, but somebody else could have drawn the comparison with ronald rayeagan and what happened when he fired all the air traffic controllers and their cables that were later uncovered in the soviet union that showed that the soviets after seeing him stand up to the air traffic controllers, they said, okay this is a different kind of president. he doesn't put up with crap. this is going to be a tough one. somebody else could have said that. basically, leadership is leadership. whether it is on union issue or a budget issue or whether it is leadership on foreign policy it all is about strength. they could have said that. this was clumsy. up next rereveal "time" magazine's cover story on yesterday's show. and now the author of the real challenge against isis is going to join us later on "morning joe." we'll be right back in just a moment.

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we've got missouri -- from kansas city, missouri editor at large from "time" magazine david von draley. david, you've written a great cover story. you say that the real challenge isn't what happens when we face down isis. it's what happens after isis. explain. >> well you know we like to focus on military objectives because we have the best trained, best equipped military in the history of the world. but we've been here before focusing on the first part of the project without talking about what comes afterward. moving isis out of iraq is militarily a challenge, but one

that we could easily accomplish. we've shown since 1991 that we can pretty much do what we want militarily in iraq. the question is what do we leave afterward. that's the real strategic issue. >> david, that continues to be a problem. we went in this '9d1. we we won military. in 2003 we won by 2000 2009. george bush says we need to have the surge. it gives him the political space to reconcile. two things we've learned in iraq over the past 20 years is they really don't have a cohesive army. doesn't look like they ever will. two, they're just never with those straight lines we drew there's never going to be political reconciliation. is there? >> it is discouraging. but the issue you put your finger on it joe. it is a 100-year-old issue. the west after world war 1 sort

of arbitrarily created the map of the middle east and we've been tinkering with it for 100 years without success because underlying that map are issues of tribe, issues of religious sect, confrom ikts that have been going on for centuries before we got there. what we've essentially done is kicked over various hornet's nests and now the middle east is in worse www.shape than it's been, argue xwliably ever. so we need to go very carefully before we kick over another one. >> jeremy peters in washington. >> i think one of the problems with confronting a huge concern like isis is getting the country behind a unified strategy. right? so how do you think that we can move forward here when the congress and the country seems so divided about what kind of measure to support. >> this is why many of us prefer

to talk about these issues than actually be president of the united states. this is a really tough, tough situation. it's not just for us. it's -- we are talking about generational. we need to figure out how to move some really big pieces. how do we get saudi arabia to stop spending billions of dollars on medieval theology that they promote around the muslim world instead of spending that same mrn ononey that would educate the world. bring egypt out of its problems. we need to look at real powers in this region and figure out how to move them into the 21st century. >> david von draele thank you so much for being with us. david's written a great article,

important cover article on the cover of "time" magazine about what happens next. sam stein, that has been the ongoing problem. we can win wars militarily. but it is like vietnam. you can win militarily but at the end of the day if you can't hold the land and you don't have the will to stay there for 100 years -- it's going to slip back to before you got there. >> i think your question hinted at the point that i wanted to make which is that we need to find -- or i guess the region needs to find workable governing institutions that you can be in a situation where with you're not constantly waging war. the question is is it about boundaries which you alluded to. maybe these boundaries don't work. but whether democracy is the answer even. the arab spring was supposed to bring this great democratization movement to the entire region. >> you look back 10 15 years later, suddenly you see the middle east was more stable even if it may have been more evil

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this three-week bill, i guess they can do. but at some point republicans, the leaders need to figure it out. >> will harry reid allow his democratic senators to voek for a three-week extension? >> i think at this point, yes. what they both don't want is a shutdown. three weeks from now we're back in this same situation. there's this frustrating repetitive in es to all this. right? we went through the shutdown in 2013. at the end of last year and now we're back in noiranother one of these self-imposed crises. >> mika you look at the timing of this. whether you are an american who will get on a plane over the next several weeks or whether you go shopping in the mall of america or any other mall akrs the united states of america, if you follow the news you see what's what's happening with isis what's happening across the world, you see one act after

another act of terrorism, you see what happened in brooklyn earlier this week where three americans were trying to get ready to either go over to syria and help fight isis there and cut people up and shoot people up and blow people up -- or they were talking about blowing up landmarks in new york city or shooting the president of the united states to death. i think most americans would believe now's not the time to shut down the department of homeland security. >> i would agree with that. joining us from capitol hill vice chair of the democratic conference senator chuck schumer of new york. good to have you on-board sir. >> senator, start with the question i just asked some other people. if the republicans go ahead and push a three-week extension to try to out a way to move forward, will you, will other democrats, support a three-week extension of a clean gunneding bill? >> well look. the quickest and easiest solution, joe, is for them to put the bill to senator

mcconnell, their fellow republican put together and just fully fund homeland security. they're not going to debate immigration. i don't know if they can pass the three-week bill. we'd much prefer a full funding bill. we're not going to shut the government down. >> does that mean you support the three-week extension? >> yeah. we're not going to shut the government down. but tho keep doing this time and time and time again, it hurts our homeland security even doing these short-term extensions. for instance, there are biometrics that we need at the border to prevent people from coming across the border. that doesn't get done. our firefighters police officers, they don't get the equipment and grants that they need. the secret service reform doesn't happen. so this is no way to govern. the second point i'd make is this -- this bodes really poorly for republican leadership. they're off to a terrible start. a party that's prided itself on security, can't even fund the homeland security department in the first several weeks of the new session? what's going to happen when we

have the debt ceiling? what's going to happen when we have to fund the government? they've got to get their act in order for the good of america. >> let's move on to the next topic. we just talked about the cover piece on "time" regarding isis. a lot of questions among our allies and enemies, what america is going to do. what should we do to blunt isis' spread across the middle east? >> well isis is a terrible, terrible organization and we saw in my home borough of brooklyn there are reach. they have new reach now. lone wolves. that's the new form of terrorism we're up against. it is not large organizations like al qaeda which can do huge operations of terrorism like the horrible day 9/11 a horrible act there. but, they can use the internet to reach out to disaffected youth across the world, urge

them to come to syria and fight or, even worse, do terrorism at home. the good news is so much of what happens goes over the internet so our law enforcement is really good at picking these things up and twartding ingthwarting them. for instance, they were listening in to these three people they arrested in brooklyn months and months and months before now. they started much earlier. they were ready to pounce the minute they tried to do any kind of dastardly deed or go to syria. and they got them. and i think our law enforcement is really really good at this. >> senator schumer, is president obama -- are you convinced that president obama is being as aggressive as he needs to be to stop isis in its tracks? >> well, i've talked to a lot of our intelligence officials, both from this administration and previous. and the combination of drones the ability to take out leaders, reconnaissance like we're doing now to help catch these three guys, and actually infiltrating these organizations, getting

spies in to those -- not our people but native people there, indigenous people there, to find out what they're doing. that helped us wipe out al qaeda in pakistan without a single boot on the ground. it's helping us go after al shabaab in somalia. many intelligence authorities believe if we keep at this for six months to a year, we'll be able to really damage even destroy isis. so we have to keep all of that up. give them all the funding and latitude they need to do those things. >> senator schumer, willie geist. i with a'nt to get you on the record on a different topic. israel. you are a strong ally with president obama but a lot of people think relations now are as bad as they've ever been. in the "new york times" this week "it has never been so terrible as it is today." what's going on behind the scenes and how worried are you about this strained relationship? >> look. here would be my advice to all

parties. that is look -- a lot of people myself included didn't like the way speaker boehner set up this speech and invited prime minister netanyahu which should have been done in another way. about you all of that and the characterizations of that are far less important than two things. the american-israel relationship and how important it is and how we stop a nuclear iran where both countries are on the same side. we ought to be keeping our eye on the ball. these other things are not good but they're distractions and we have major major issues before us. a nuclear iran two be devastating, for israel, of course, but also for the whole world, including our country. >> do you, senator schumer, share prime minister's netanyahu and the state of israel's concerns about a potential deal that's being talked about at least that could have that ten-year horizon? >> elwell, think we ought to wait and see what the deal is. there are all kinds of discussions and rumors. somebody says this is in the deal. then i call up the state

department secretary kerry. he says it's not in the deal. i think we ought to hope -- our best outcome here is a strong deal that prevents a nuclear iran. that's a lot better than any alternative. a lot better certainly than a nuclear iran. a lot better than military action. the least bad choice other than a good deal if there is no deal for instance, is to tighten up sanctions and force iran to do more. but a good deal is the best solution and let's hope we can get that and not second-guess it. i want to hear what the prime minister says. he'll outline what he thinks appropriate deal is. i want to see what the administration comes up with if they can come up with a deal. but i think there is a lot of he prejudging. there is a lot of rumors. there is a lot of name calling, flon of which is productive at such a crucial time in our history history. >> senator schumer -- thank you very much. we're learning now details about the man who until yesterday was known only as jihadi john.

he's the masked terrorist who appeared in newspaper russ beheading videos from the islamic state. now we know his identity. as nbc's kier summons reports, he had been on the radar of intel agencies for years. >> reporter: his british accent was one of the few clues to his identity. in isis propaganda videos only his eyes showing from behind a hood but he was identified. he is mohammed emwazi mid 20s college educated born in kuwait came to the uk in 1994. the son of a well-to-do family that reportedly lives in this middle class london home where police and reporters gathered far from the syrian desert where emwazi was the isis front man for a string ever murders. american journalist james foley last august. then journalist steven s.otloff.

and several others. this man knew emwazi in london. >> does that sound like the man you knew. >> translator: iinterpret >> i don't want to be certain but i can't deny the fact that i do find a number of similarities for sure. >> reporter: the reporter who identified him says he wasn't always violent. >> he was a shy person, very interested devoteded to religion and his family. >> reporter: sources say while in the uk, emwazi had connections to emtreatmentists in somalia and was known to the security agencies but he left bryn in 2012 for syria where he would join isis and become a symbol of their brutality. the daughter of one slain hostage said identifying e. in wazi was a good step but she wants more. >> i think all the families will feel closure and relief.

>> isis exhibits no regard for human life and civilization. now the terror group is showing little respect to human history. richard engel has to store. >> reporter: add cultural genocide to isis' growing list of krichls. the group which has killed terrorized and uprooted hundreds of thousands of people in iraq and syria is now destroying their heritage, too. >> translator: we were ordered by our prophet to take down false idols and destroy them," says this isis member in a video released by the group. which includes music and slow-motion sequences. then the men go to work, ransacking mosul's renowned museum demolishing irreplaceable statues and works of art, some crumble with a mere push. others require more effort. the big ones are defaces with

power drills. including this a god who protected the assyrian empire 2,500 years ago. now powerless against these modern day vandals. >> you see these pieces being smashed like that is heartbreaking. >> reporter: this archaeologist has worked in and studied the region for 20 years. >> isil is conducting a war essentially on culture and dull cultural diversity. >> this is brutal. exactly what we saw in the summer before september 11th what the taliban was doing. right, willie? they were going through afghanistan and they were destroying 2,000-year-old artifacts that can never be repaired. >> the things you just saw are priceless. the one statue 2,500 years old. i was thinking the same thing, the taliban was doing exactly this in the years before 9/11. >> after the invasion of iraq in 2003, there were stories for weeks about how some priceless

artifacts in iraq had been stolen and now -- >> they behead human beings. i don't think we should be surprised that they take down stat tuesday. moving to politics now, we're barely into 2015 and glovlz gloves are already beginning to come off between republican candidates. scott walker described his fight against union protests like dealing with isis. >> i want a commander in chief who will do everything in their power to enslur that the threat from radical islamic terrorists do not wash up on american oil soil. we will have someone who leads and ultimately will send a message not only that why will protect american soil but do not -- do not take this upon freedom loving people anywhere else in the world. we need a leader with that kind of confidence. if i could take on 100,000 protesters, i can do the same

across the world. >> obviously today i think trying to make the connection between isis and unions was a mistake. these are americans. we're talking about people in the case of isis who are bemed beheading individuals. this is the face of evil. to try to make the relationship between them and the unions is inappropriate. >> you think he went too far. >> yeah. >> so rick perry, critical. ed morrissey earlier today said if that with a is a trial balloon, let's hope that one pops or floats away. let's see how the rest of the day was and what we expect today at cpac. first let's talk about walker in totality. was his speech received really well. >>? and how is he responding to

fellow republicans criticizing? >> i will say his speech was invested see well here. i think it is a toss-up between whether he or senator ted cruz was really the star of this gathering yesterday but i think it served to highlight the kind of stage he's standing on now. you can't put one foot in the wrong place without it getting noticed at the presidential level. that's different from when you are governor of wisconsin. i also think perry's comments highlight the fact that this controversy is different from the one he sort of walked into with rudy giuliani and the president's religion. there was mostly u.n. lyly u lyly unanimity. republicans going after perry is a different kind of challenge for him to negotiate. >> jeb bush is also going to be speaking today. what are people saying about jeb, what are you expecting from that speech? >> well joe, i think that he's the one that's -- if walker had

the test yesterday, today is the test for jeb bush. i think that there are a lot of questions about whether or not this crowd is one that he can speak to effectively. i talked to a buvlgnch of attendees yesterday about jeb bush if you want to take a listen. >> lot of the fancy political consultants and a lot of media types covering this today basically think this is jeb bush's race to lose. >> well listen. if what happens is if the elites in washington who make back room deals decide who the president is going to be then he's definitely the front-runner. if the people of the united states decide to pick the next president of the united states and they want someone who looks them in the eye, connects with them and is one of them i'll do okay if i run. >> one word to describe jeb bush. >> liberal. >> one word to describe jeb bush. >> moderate. >> one word to describe jeb bush. >> moderate. >> one word to describe scott walker. >> awe. >> what's the one word you think of when you hear jeb bush.

no? >> one word. scott walker. >> we'll see if he can change any minds. >> i remember at cpac last year chris christie was "the" star. just we haven't even talked about him today. is kind of the room not shining a light on him -- it's amazing. he was almost non-existent. >> yeah. it is a huge contrast from when he was sort of set up as "the" person that everybody wanted to see last year. everybody wanted to hear from him and see how this crowd reacted. in some ways he was an afterthought. he saw there he was going after bush baltimore than say, scott walker because he's in that establishment where they're more focused on bush as the front o front-runner. he gave sort of a pugnacious performance yet. he said some people need to be

told so ditsit down and shut up when he was asked about his confrontation with a protesters. but just a lot of flatness when it comes to christie here at c cpac cpac. >> chuck todzd, what are you looking at this weekend? >> look. i think we already sort of saw i think what's already happening. i found it -- we're already seeing that the rest of the field is finding a way to try to go after scott walker. you flow you're a front-runner when others are attacking you. look how quickly -- look it was a dumb thing to say. i think this is now a couple of times where we've seen that walker isn't showing himself to be nimble. but what's interesting on walker is that there is a -- what i call a cocoon of sort of forgiveness on the right with him that to me is very similar

to what obama experienced in '07. obama would make mistakes. this group on the left just wouldn't tolerate a pile-on. you're starting to see that with walker. he can make mistakes but there are so many on the right that have already fallen in love with him that they're going to forgive him very quickly. that's something that if it you're rick perry or rand paul, trying to be the anti-jeb bush, that's got to be a little nerve-racking for you. >> in 1976 and 1980 reagan would just say some things that were confounding. but his message broke through. one of the funny stories from '80 is when reagan said that more pollution -- more carbon emissions came from trees than anything else and every campaign stop he'd go to and people would hang signs around trees that said "scott peterson me before i kill again." at the end of the day it didn't matter because ronald reagan was ronald bay gan. scott walker we shall see if he

grows into the same sort of candidate. >> it is. with jeb today, i think it is interesting he's going the total interview route which tells you one thing, he doesn't want the story to be about booze in the audience. it will be easier not to get booed on common core and immigration which i'm sure sean hannity will ask him about if you're not doing it in a speech format. >> one thing about jeb. they're bussing in people from d.c. and k street folks. rand paul is going to speak today. the tone of cpac yesterday at least when it came to foreign policy is so far removed from where we were two, three years ago. isis has changed the dynamic. every single speaker went on stage to go heavy at the president's policy -- >> we're not going to see a ron paul/rand paul policy do well at

cpac. >> it might clang today because he has his followers. >> i was just going to say. talk about bussing in this is what the pauls do at cpac man. this is why a paul has won the straw poll i think 4 out of the last 6 years or whatever it is. that's because they do a good job bussing people in. so i wouldn't be surprised if it comes across as if he's well received but don't overinterpret because i go back to what i said at the top. as cpac goes so goes cpac. >> chuck todd we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday. >> i'm getting a bumper sticker with that. still ahead on "morning joe," just hours are remaining before funding runs out for the department of homeland security. republican senator john barrasso and tony blinken are our guests. >> i have another bumper sticker. as goes the brzezinski household, so goes france. >> oh god. just stop. i was not in the south of frarns. i was at the human performance insurance stuarttitute

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welcome back to "morning joe." time now to take a look at the "morning papers." the washington post the u.s. military is experiencing its longest period without a combat death since 9/11. so far the armed forces has not had a soldier die in a combat zone in more than two months. last military fatalities a occurred 77 days ago.

the previous record occurred in 2002 before the united states invaded iraq. let's go to the star tribune. minnesota vikings running back adrian peterson's nfl reinstatement could come sooner than expected after a federal judge ruled in favor of peterson on his appeal of the suspension. peterson had pleaded no contest to reckless assault in an incident involving his son. the nfl has already filed an appeal seeking to overturn the new ruling. national journal. senator jim inhoff used a snowball on the senate floor regarding climate change. >> you no he what this is? it is a snowball. and that's just from outside here. so it's very very cold out. very unseasonable. so here mr. president, catch this. >> inhoff who chairs the environment and public works

committee, referenced the snowy winter to call into question scientific findings that 2014 was the warmest year on record. he criticized the obama administration for spending too much time focusing on global warming instead of terrorism. the huffing post. a stolen pablo picasso painting worth millions was smuggled into the u.s. and falsely labeled as an art craft with the value of $37. painting titled "the hair dresser" was stolen from a store room in paris in 2001. it was discovered in the u.s. in 2014 where the shipping label destribdde described it as an art craft or toy. the hollywood reporter. today is the day for "house of cards" fans. >> have you watched this? >> the netflix series -- >> have you watched "house of cards"? because he's got your haircut. >> the netflix series --

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he was supposed to be -- we asked him to be here in london. he lives in. london. guess what? >> he's here. >> joining us now, professor of security studies at the department of war studies at kings college in london peter newman. he serves as director of the international center for the study of radicalization. >> peter thank you so much for being with us. obviously, we are getting a look at jee lodihadi john. "nice boy from a good family" is the quote. what does this tell us about the face of radical islam? >> it tells us that a lot of people started out being fairly normal people and they got radicalized, they went through a

process that took them to where jihadi john ended. >> we saw this also with the three young women who were model students, who slipped off to syria, too. it's extraordinary. >> what are we learning? >> it is wrong to assume that everyone who gets radicalized is necessarily poor be uneducated or crazy. this affects normal people who are going through a process of radicalization who are turned by recruiters who were consumeing propaganda who are part of groups and who are affected by events. >> like cults. >> we've been associating them with sociopaths cruel. no. they come from middle class families. from middle class families college degrees. they can have a future in the west if they want it. >> we've also read these pieces in the aftermath of this and paris saying they were let down by the societies in which they live. in fact blaming british society

or blaming french society for not better integrating these people. what do you make of that argument? >> at my institute? london we are following 700 of the foreign fighters. we've had conversations with nearly 100 of them often through social media. what we found is there are all kinds of people. some of them are middle class. some of them are poor. but what they all have in common is that they don't feel they have a stake in their society. of course if you don't feel you have a stake in your society, it becomes easier to go somewhere else with be to leave your society and ultimately to go against your society. >> but a lot of people here in america feel like they don't have a stake in the society. they don't go cut people's heads off. >> it is not grievance by itself doesn't turn anyone into a terrorist. it is where grievance meets an ideology, it is a nexus between the two. if you're aggrieved and someone speaks to you and offers all the answers to your questions, takes you into a different direction, that's when it happens. >> so if i can just turn the

conversation around. we keep saying what is it about the people who join isis what's wrong with them are they poor or disenfranchised. what is it about what isis is doing that's effective in recruiting people that are seemingly so normal? >> how does this grab somebody out of an upper middle class home in london? >> again, there's not one answer. but that brutality that we find so difficult to understand, it is almost like a counterculture. it is almost like if you feel sort of alienated, the most outrageous thing that you can do in this country and in european countries is to go there and to do that. >> we were talking earlier about sort of the social media tools that isis used to recruit its followers. how ubiquitous are they on social media and what kind of tools are counterterrorism efforts bringing to the fight? >> the interesting thing is of course isis is on the internet. but what makes isis so powerful what gives it such an umf on

twitter around on social media is the hundreds ever grassroots followers who are not necessarily formally affiliated with isis but who are pushing the message forward. we call them "fan boys." the problem with the counternarrative, problem with the countercampaign is while maybe the state department can put out a couple of things it doesn't have the umph it doesn't have that grassroots following. >> all right. thank you so much for being on show. peter newman, thank you. up next don't look now but there is an energy revolution happening in neshg. we'll introduce you to one texas town at the heart of this boom and the men and women who are on the front lines. their stories next. woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track.

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this is sweeping the internet. this is the craziest thing i've ever seen. i'm looking at this and i see gold and white. >> get closer. >> come up close, guys. >> while you do this joe, quick back story. so a woman posted this to her on her tumbler will page. she said my friend and i are arguing about what color this dress is. it got picked up by buzz feed. >> donny, what do you say? >> blue and black. i don't get where i see blue and goal. >> i've seen them both now. if i stare at it for a while i

saw white and gold. >> you were on shrooms. >> no i've just come from washington, d.c. where ef'sthey've legalized weed. >> the white is where you think it is blue and the black is where you think -- >> what's the deal? why are donny's eyes different than -- >> look. there is a scientific explanation where the eyes can perceive colors differently. >> mika sh? it's white and gold. >> but the correct answer is -- it is a black and blue dress. >> we're going to talk about this later. >> i'm all over it. laura brown. >> we'll figure out the back story. so let's move on to something that actually matters and matters in a really big way. we've been talking for a long time in this show about the importance of the energy revolution. in 2002 we were told we'd run ot

of natural gas in the next 10 to 15 years. now there is practically an endless supply. same thing with oil. that we're going to have to get off of oil. and now you read the "wall street journal" a couple of years ago. they say we're going to be the number one producer by 2020 in the world. look at the prices that have been going down. this is what happens when you have a revolution. and have the ability for energy independence in america. how exciting. for a snapshot of america's energy independence we went straight to the source. >> reporter: black gold. texas tea. bubbling crude. whatever you call it. oil has long played a dominant role in america's history. and for no state more so than texas. for generations, it's brought all sorts to the lone star state. >> that is the kind of mystique from the '50s. certainly a lot of them are roughnecks and roust abouts.

>> there have been both years of fat and years of lean. >> on the mercantile exchange in new york, prices for crude oil, gasoline and heating oil tumbled today. >> but shale exploration has transformed the landscape and world energy markets. three dimensional drilling fracking and state of the art technology have opened up vast stores of natural gas. >> technology-driven energy today is what's phenomenal. >> america's thirst for foreign crude is drying up. and there's change in the air in texas as will. wind turbines generated 10% of the state's pourer over the past year, and some experts say it could double in the future. >> we had recent days where were it not for our wind power production we would have had rolling blackouts. >> perhaps the best bellwethers of the technology boom are texas towns like corizzo springs. five years ago it was little more than a sleepy square with

nearly 10% unemployment. but shale changed all that. now it is less than 3%. >> we knew we were despatch for jobs. >> now there are new hoe wells db new homes hotels, restaurants and jobs. the mayor is just dealing with the trouble that comes with having a sudden influx. >> harassment a lot of whistle calling. i'm sure big cities get it all the time. i'm assuming that every other shale city is faced with the same type of problem. there is a lot of men. there's too many men. >> reporter: and at his family-owned restaurant, they have a hard time finding workers because the money in the shale play is so good. >> you can't really pay minimum wage. i would say aminimum wage here is probably up above $10. >> reporter: there are some signs the industry has become a victim of its own success. >> a lot of folks are -- that are in oil and gas are getting

laid off right now. we're blessed that in this area it is still -- there's still enough work here that it's keeping everybody employed. >> reporter: global over supply has driven prices down. domestic crude prices are up by about 50%. shale exploration is at its lowest rate in years an even big companies are cutting staff. >> the energy dependent energy anymore. the diversification that occurred in the last 30 years has made us resilient. but nonetheless, the oil and gas sector is going to hurt. >> reporter: but for now, on monday nights at red dog ice house where there's a unique kind of home team jersey on the wall, the tables are full. >> we come automatic ond eat and go to bed. not like we stay out all night long. we work. we work 12-hour days every day. >> few years ago we were getting about 100 hours a week, making good paychecks every week. crazy paychecks. we're down to like 40 50 hours a week now. so we'll see it in our pockets.

>> reporter: the mayor is trying to keep his city growing, with or without gas, with plans for malls and a movie theater. but the men who met the found grow from a speck on the map to a dot know the next job is always just down the road. >> i think the $64,000 question is how long is this play going to be here. as soon as you start pouring slab you are a permanent structure structure. >> if it's booming here, it's not going to boom here forever. that's the thing with the oil field. it never sits in the same place forever. you have to follow it wherever it goes. senator john a member of the energy committee and caterpillar is behind this. bipartisan legislation to help with our own economy making it easier to export liquefied gas.

joe is right, there's almost an endless supply and people around the world want to buy our natural gas. our friends around the world, and this bipartisan legislation, six republicans, six democrat co-sponsors, members of the energy committee working together to say, if we can export more of this make nor center available for the exports, it will help with our trade deficit and the president promised five years ago he wanted to double that trade. it will help with the jobs in the united states in terms of building the facilities. we're seeing that right now with some facilities being built, and it will help our friends overseas who are being held hostage by vladimir putin, who hold them hostage by charging such high energy prices. >> good to see you, senator. it's wil. >> good to see you. >> we hear in the midst of anrevolution. what does that mean to be

upside to about energy revolution in the country? >> we all want to make energy as clean and fast as we can and do it in ways that don't raise costs for american families. with all these new advances in technology, we were talking about just five or six years ago importing expensive liquefied natural gas. with this revolution we now have an abundance it is a lot more affordable and we have so much that we can send some over seas to our friends and allies in ways that don't even raise the prices here in the united states. >> things have changed. senator john barasso, thank you very much. >> that, mika. still ahead what will be moving the markets today? look at the top business stories with michelle caruso-cabrera and the chair of "elevate." we'll be right bag back. [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts ♪ ♪ 800,000 hours of supercomputing time 3 million

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all right. top of the hour. sam stein, donny deutsch, tony blinken standing by. good to have you. we're four days away from benjamin netanyahu's address to congress, but that is not stopping the heated back and forth between the white house and house speaker john boehner over the controversial invitation. boehner delivered the latest jab criticizing national security adviser susan rice for claiming the speech would cleten enthreaten ties between the two countries. >> the president's national security adviser says it's destructive for the prime minister of israel to address the united states congress next week. i couldn't disagree more. the american people beethdoth people in congress have always stood by israel.

nothing and no one should get in the way of that. >> the white house is sending rice and u.n. ambassador samantha power to the u.n. american policy conference the largest pro-israel conference in the united states. and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says that netanyahu now plans to meet with the democratic and republican leaders of the senate after his speech to congress. all right. joining the conversation, u.s. secretary of state tony blinken. good to have you here. >> how bad is the relationship between the united states and israel? a lot of commentators are saying, and foreign policy guys are saying it's the worst they can remember. >> joe, actually when it comes to the fundamentals, israel's security the relationship has never been better. this administration has done more. >> in what way? >> an example. this summer in the midst of the gaza crisis, the israeli ambassador call immediate late at night. i was still at the white house said can i come over and see you. he came over said we need more

interceptors for the missile system protecting israelis. laid it out. the very next morning went to the president, here's what he heard from israelis here's what we need. he said three words, get it done. tuesday, a quarter billion from congress to do that. so when it comes to israel's security -- s. it more of a personal problem between president obama and prime minister netanyahu? >> they probably have spent more time together than any two leaders. more meetings more phone calls than anyone. we have differences over tactic what's happened with the speech and important, israel has always been a bipartisan issue. injecting politics in it gets corrosive. >> is that what benjamin netanyahu has done? >> the way it came about is unfortunate and kacorrosive. >> the blame, more on john boehner or benjamin netanyahu? >> at this point the prime minister will come make his presentation, make his speech and then we'll see where that goes but -- >> i'll answer that -- >> mika will say it's both of

their fault, as you know. >> yeah. >> so the israeli people you look at the poll numbers. majority don't trust the president. don't trust the united states to protect them against iran. what do you say to the people of israel and also israeli supporters across the globe about what they're getting wrong and what they need to know? >> so we're working to see if question get an agreement with iran on its nuclear program and this is about israel's security but it's also about our security, and the idea that we would do something that would undermine on our security everyone inner mind israel's is hard to fathom. look at every country around the world, the one country that consistent stood with israel stood behind israel up for israel is the united states. we're not letting them down and certainly not ourselves down in any deal to enhance our national security and in doing so it will enhance theirs. >> see one thing on the television abouts negotiations and then go to the white house to talk to somebody in the white

house they'll tell me it's not the truth. it's just a ping-pong event. what broke a couple days ago is the fact the unite decided to go from 20 years to 10 years on the key element of these negotiations. that is not true? >> joe all of this is under negotiation right now. and you can't look at the deal without looking at the totality of it which we don't have yet. these different elements are in play, the duration -- an example. there's a lot of discussion about the number of centrifuge the things that snain make the material for the nuclear weapon. some are fixated on the number. it's not the number in the abstract that counts. it's not only how many it's what kind, how are they configured how much stockpile to work with? what we're looking at is an agreement that makes sure whatever program iran makes up with it will take at least a year to produce material for a bomb giving us plenty of time to do something about it. >> how do we know they're not comply wig the deal

complying with the deal? we thought we had a deal with north korea. wake up, they have nuclear weapons. same about pakistan. how do we know with this framework if iran cheats if they start racing towards a nuclear weapon we will be able to verify it and then stop it? >> because any deal we sign on to has to have the most intrusive inspection access monitoring regime in history. >> will iranians allow us to do that? >> they'll have to otherwise there won't about deal. that's why this deal is so important if we can get it. we will know so much more about what they're doing on a daily basis throughout the entire production line that gets you to a nuclear weapon. not just factories where the sen trap futchs are spinning but the mines, the mills, everything. if we don't get that we don't have a deal. >> speaking for the administration, speaking for the state department speaking for the president of the united states, under this deal under this framework, if it's agreed to, the iranians will never be

able to acquire a nuclear weapon? yes or no. >> if this deal comes through, for a long period of time their program will be so constrained, so monitors as practical matter they won't be able to produce material for a bomb without us knowing about it. >> and this deal does not recognize the right to not ever get a bomb? not in 10 years not in -- >> no. it will prohibit them from getting a nuclear weapon. >> mika? >> turn to isis. the parents of u.s. murdered journalist james foley criticized how the u.s. government responded to his kidnapping. some of what they had to say. >> we really feel that our government needs to have a clearer policy and be more up front about what they can and cannot do or will or will not do. we felt we in the dark a lot. >> the government should have done a lot more.

ransoms are a very complicated issue, and, you know -- you look at it from two points of view. if it's your child or somebody else's. the discussion is entirely different. >> very difficult, obviously. hard to second guess. having said that what's your response to their criticism? >> my heart goes out to them. there's no way that i can put myself in their shoes that any of us can, to suffer what they've suffered is almost incomprehensible to someone who hasn't been through it so i feel for them. i've got to tell you, when we tried to rescue james foley and the other hostages, i was in the room in the situation room when that mission took place, and we were watching this in realtime. and i'd have to tell you the single worst moment in my 22 years in government was hearing our guys execute this mission perfectly, get on the ground get in there and find out that the hostages weren't there. they had already been removed probably days maybe weeks

before. now, if i health that way, i can only imagine how the foleys feel. >> the hell. >> talk more generally about isis. the president obviously got a lot of flak for calling it a jv team. now we have other people saying it's an existential threat to western civilization. what is the administration's take right now on the level of threat that america and the world's facing from isis? >> right now you have a threat that's primarily located in the middle east, in iraq and syria and it's doing terrible damage to people in both of those countries. it pose as threat to people in surrounding countries, and if you allow it to take root it has the potential to pose a threat to us here at home. they have the ambition to do that. that's why we're so insistent at getting at it getting at it now. making sure through military mean, counterterrorism cutting off financing, flow of foreign fighters, that we can try and nip this in the bud. it's not an ex- --

existential -- >> we had a debate about the president's new proposal to congress for additional funding to fise isis and my argument joe's argument which actually made sense for one of the rare times was basically, whoing i can't sign the check when i don't know what it's for. mine was a venture capital argument. you need the money to even figure out what you need to do in terms of whatnot. where do you come out on that? >> two things you have to do. peter newman was on before. one of the best students what's going on here. there are a small group of people beyond the reach of reason and we have to defeat them. that means using military means, counterterrorism, cut out financing, foreign fighters building up the capacity of patters in in the reach ton take them on. you have a much larger group of people who may be susceptible to being radicalized and we have to defeat them. it takes time. the internet is an incredibly

powerful tool to recruit folks we have to be on that and also get other voices into the mix because our voice may not be the most persuasive. an aspect immediately countering those using violence right now and defeating them and there is a whole other piece of this longer term and requires resources about preventing people from becoming susceptible to the lure of the ideology of -- >> he needs the blank check. he answered the question. >> might have been -- >> totally different part of the world, just testing your ability to handle all the globe here. >> are you going to ask whether the dress is gold and white? >> don't even worry about it. >> james clapper said said arms ukrainians was a good idea essentially and produce a negative reaction from the russians. where is the administrational policy and thinking going on in this issue? >> so already what we've done is provided about $120 million worth the security systems to the ukrainians to help them better defend themselves. everything from night vision

goggles to countermortar radars to armored vehicles. you name it. and their better able to defend themselves as a result of that. what we're trying to do now the focus is on getting a diplomatic resolution to this crisis. getting the russians and the separatists to do what they said they would do. >> and clapper is saying providing more advanced weaponry would essentially do that accelerate that process? >> that's on the table, we're looking at it and there are different arguments in favor of doing that. some concerns. look this is not ultimately going to be decided militarily. if we put weapons in the russians are likely to match it and double down and triple down but it's also true that it could have some for the deterrent effect on it. right now there's a process in place. there's an agreement on paper. there are commitments on paper. the russians need to do what they said they could do. there needs to be a cease-fire pull back heavy weapons and establish the border between russia and ukraine and that will solve this crisis. >> are you disappointed by turkey's response to the isis crisis? >> joe, it's -- it's getting

better. what we're seeing in recent months -- >> wait wait. what happened at the beginning? why the foot dragging? why it was -- did you have turkey and qatar on one side and apparently a lot of other arab sunni states on the other? >> this goes to some of the profound divisions in the region that actually just aren't about us. it's a lot deeper than that but in the case of turkey, look, they've been stepping up. they're hosting a training site for the moderate syrian opposition tweer trywe're trying to train up. strengthening the border working more cooperatively with europe peernans to share information. and doing a lot. they're doing more and more and more they can do. >> what more can they do? how can they be more aggressive? >> i think the main thing is drak cracking down as much as possible on the foreign fighters. that's tough. >> do they have the will to do that? >> i'm increaseingly seeing the will to do that.

>> okay. another guest. here from capitol hill -- >> take a breath. >> you might want to comment. >> congressman from arizona and retired air force colonel representative martha mcsally. first female fighter pilot in u.s. his troy fly a combat mission and to command a fighter squadron. congressman, really good to have you onboard. >> good morning. >> in a piece that you wrote for "usa today" you say the president overstepped his bounds by taking on the policymaking role of congress. >> right. >> so the best action congress can take is to do its job. can you put your fighter pilot skills to work in congress and get that to happen? how does that happen? >> well i think so. i've been here 53 days and as i said yesterday to my colleagues in our gop conference and i'll say it again today, i'm a fighter pilot but not a kamikaze pilot. so what we really need to be doing is focusing on doing our job to solve the problems instead of trying to poke the president in the eye, and i do not believe we should be shutting down the funding for

the department of homeland security. we've got men and women putting on their uniform today wondering what's going to happen in about 16 hours. so what congress needs to do is actually sit down and work the problems, like securing our border revamping and modernizing our legal immigration system. so if somebody wants to come here to work and is going to contribute to our economy on all ends of the skill spectrum we have a way for them to come through the turnstile instead of over the border. we can find agreement on most issues, and we can all agree the president overreached. the courts agree, the president said 22 times he's overreached. i believe most of congress agrees with that. the american people agree with that, but instead of bickering tab we actually need to sit down and do our job. >> yes, thank you. >> sam stein? >> congresswoman, you're going to get the chance to vote on essentially a three-week stop gap measure to fund the department of homeland security and we're talking around the table about how -- i guess we just don't understand what exactly is going to change in three weeks' time to move this

debate one way or another and isn't it inevitable your party will at some point have to pass a clean bill to fund the department of homeland security through september? >> well it is frustrating. again, only been here about six weeks, but the house voted on our version of the bill six weeks ago. so the senate has had plenty of time. these are once again in washington, d.c. self-induced crises. right? we're at the last hour. the senate will pass something today. from what i remember from my civics 101 classes the house passes something, the senate passes something then you go to conference to sort out differences. that's the way the government is supposed to work. the understanding from leadership is the couple weeks gives us the opportunity to actually go to conference and get back to normal order in the way that washington, d.c. was supposed to work. >> all right. representative martha mcsally. thank you for being on this morning. >> thank you so much. one final question tony a lot of sunni states are finally starting to step up. it's exciting to see we're not

going to have to go it alone. jordan obviously responding to the terrible terrible burning of their pilot. obviously, egypt responding to 21 christians being killed in the savage way they were killed. are we doing everything that we need to do to encourage countries like egypt to continue fighting in the region because you hear some complaints that we're not being a good enough ally to egypt. >> oh no. i think to the contrary. >> do you consider egypt a good american ally? >> egypt is standing up to deal with terrorism. it's standing up in its relationship with israel. which is vitally important and all of these countries together. you're exactly right. have what should about leading role to play. >> so would you call egypt and important ally to the united states? >> i would call egypt an important partner to the united states in dealing with this problem. we're deeply engaged with the egyptians to help them deal with their own problem, terrorism and also play an important role in

the region in dealing with the threat. >> from west to east on allies. ask you another tough question. we've got negotiations going on with iran, the united states doesn't want to admit it the fact of matter is iranians and some shia militia caused a big problem for the future of a unified iraq they are being -- they are responsible in part for keeping isis out of baghdad. aren't they? >> yes. initially you had the critical role played by the shia militia to defend baghdad to help the government and iran was supporting that for its own reasons, and as long as they're doing that to support of government, working with the government, that's fine. one of the problems though is some of these shia militias supported by iran have gone in taken back some towns and then committed abuse against the local population against the sunnis who had nothing to do with eiseleeisele -- isil. that's not the way to succeed.

iranians have a responsibility to help the government, fine great to deal with isil but they need to deal with the shiite militia committing abuses. >> all right. tony blinken, thank you so much. have good to have you onboard. >> great to have you here. >> he answers questions, also. >> that's awesome. a lot coming up. robin williams' daughter speaks out, an exclusive interview we nbc. we'll have that. >> plus it is the battle currently dividing the nation. is this dress black and blue or white and gold? wait. now it looks black and blue i. see black and blue. tony, please. >> it's white and gold. >> tony -- >> i have to say it's white and gold. >> wait. it just turned. >> are you serious? >> yes. >> mika 15 minutes ago was seeing white and gold and -- >> this is freaking me out. i don't like that. we'll be right back.

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yes -- he rope pdd llama. the moment he'd been waiting for all his life. took into custody, now they're both in prison. >> that's great. >> i was wondering what the llama talk was about. reviewed regulators with the nevada gaming commission unanimous support to allow betting on the 2016 summer olympic games in rio genero allowing bookmakers to establish betting lines, just minutes after the decision sprinter hussein bolt picked at the favorite and the u.s. basketball team picked to win its third consecutive gold -- is that right? >> you and i have been betting on the olympics for year. the hammer throw in '84. >> do you know how much money i made on that? >> what's that sport? >> curling. >> yeah! >> great sport. >> joey scarborough's college

education was made on illegal offshore bets on curling. doesn't matter what the odds are. always go with canada. even if it's secretary at one to five odds. i say, joey all of this money, put it right on -- >> all from vancouver. i remember that. move on. nbcnews.com, a candidate for governor in missouri is dead. police are calling it an apparent suicide. >> this is terrible. >> state auditor tom shwhite passed away at the hospital from a self-inflicted gunshot wound considered a leading contender in the 2016 race there and locked in a tough republican primary battle. investigators are still looking into the circumstances surrounding his death. >> from the bbc, violence tore through the streets of athens ahead of today's vote by the german parliament on extending the financial lifeline to greece. anti-austerity protesters clashed with police setting fires and attacking local businesses. germany is seen as a critical vote in the eu's decision to float another $270 billion

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so in light of that big dress debate sallie krawcheck is wearing white and gold today. i can see it. i see white and gold. we'll get to that in a moment. first, let's talk the economy with two of the best business minds out there. cnbc cheech international correspondent michelle caruso-cabrera and the chair to elevate pap global professional women's network, sallie krawcheck. good to have you both onboard. revised gdp is be to come out. why is it important? >> why the economy is growing, implications for people getting jobs what the federal reserve will do with interest rates. our economy tends to be the bright light or is the bright light in the world now why europe continues to struggle. we wonder about china and so i mean, bottom line to the viewer it matters, are they going to get raises jobs? can they change jobs? >> saltielie, are they?

>> a big question. people are starting to quit jobs. you're seeing the economy is better. people, ah i better hunker down, or feeling more open and are confident, leaving jobs going to better jobs. i have professional services firms right now saying it's as hot as they remember it. >> really? >> really. >> that anecdotal stuff ends um in the data pup see it it piles on. a big development in oil markets. prices shell, michelle, lowest level in yearly a month, stockpiles hit their highest point in about 80 years. how low can to go? >> multimillion dollar question. it's back below 50 and predictions it could go to as low as 30. let's see. bottom line, way down from the more than $100. so it's now starting to trickle through to gasoline prices. what we haven't seen yet, why we focus on it so much is people who now have a lot more money in their pocket because they're not spending it on gasoline will they spend it elsewhere? saving it?

we haven't seen a huge move of retail sales yet. maybe because they think it's not going to last. if it lasts, we'll see improvement. exactly right. >> the country got a raise or a big tax cut. they're saying is the raise going to continue. the longer it lasts, the stronger impact it can have on the already strong economy. >> all right. move on to the apple watch. this is apparently highly anticipated. i am so skeptical. >> why? >> oh my -- come on. >> too big? you don't like it? the look? >> it's not going to work. i don't thinks going to work. >> are you a good ind cater? >> ooh. >> when they brought out the phones with the cameras, who needs a phone with a camera? i'm like -- >> true. i do use that. >> it just seems like too much and seems awkward. i don't know. >> so it's it depends. i wear fitbit which has a watch. >> i never got those. that one. >> this watch presumably will do all the health things and more another product out there called

the pebble which i don't wage but i like. you could literally see your e-mail in the screen of the phone so you're at dinner you could very -- look down -- >> this is going to hurt our vision. this is ridiculous. have you noticed? that's tiny. >> i wish they hadn't inventsed cars, then we would walk more. >> exactly. good point. this is expected to be a big seller, sallie. >> and so was google glass for a while. some group of people -- >> i think a google glass. >> some will test it and version 3.0 that will come out and the one that will be beautiful, useful and everyone will wear. >> something like this right, and michelle can read my text coming in. see? right on my arm. >> i'm sure they'll work on has. >> we don't nope that the watch is coming march 9th. the way they wrote the invitation to the big event we think it's the watch. caveat that. >> all right. moving on it is now being called the historic decision for how americans surfed the net. the fcc approved sweeping net neutrality rules. supporters say it's a major

victory against corporate interesting. po opponents won't stop fighting. we have more. >> reporter: understand to what net neutrality means think of the internet as a sort of congested superhighway with most of the wider fast lanes taken up by big trucks carrying content. the fcc's new rule means those big companies will not be able to pay to dominate the fast lanes. all of us from students studying at home mom and pop businesses amazons of the world, guaranteed equal service to the fast lane. >> too important to allow broad band providers to make the rules. >> reporter: internet service providers, verizon, at&t and comcast, nbc's parent company, from slowing down and blocking action to competitors. meaning the vast majority will see no change to our internet service and no limits to what we

see at home or on our smartphone. >> about preventing a future some websites got preferential treatment over other websites. >> reporter: the new rules result in government overreach. >> it's not what the interneed and not what the american people want. >> reporter: expected a vigorous legal challenge to this new law of the web. >> sallie's interested in the royal bank of scotland reporting its seventh consecutive annual loss and leading to very big changes. what do you both think, what did the company actually announce first of all? >> announced they're shutting down their investment banking business. interesting about this, these guys are like a kunnaria nar canary in the coal mine. the banking, corporate trading businesses overall not great businesses. really don't earn their cost of capital through the course of a cycle. volatile, they can look good but through the course of a

cycle they tend to seif's away value from shareholders. >> banks do all kinds of businesses and regulators look at the different businesses and say that's a risky business. that's a less risky business. that risky business you've got to keep a lot more capital on the books. it's money that sits there that you can't loan out. that can't be profitable. just in case money. so what's happened with the regulators is they've imposed a lot more of those just in case rules, which means that you can't make money, as much money. they get out of the business. >> i'm going on the other side of this. right? the regulators have put more capital behind these businesses. it was needed. because -- >> oh i'm not saying you shouldn't. >> the fact there's more capital behind it did not turn these into bad businesses. they were tough businesses before. which you put more capital, that isn't -- doesn't reduce the return on equity. it reduces the volatility around makes the losses less bad. this is just a tough business regardless. rbs is the canary in the coal mine. >> turn from business now to politics. a number of contenders are taking the stage at cpac this

week making their case for why they should represent the republican party in the 2016 presidential race. joining us from washington, nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. kelly? >> reporter: good to be with you. you know cpac is this annual convention and it is one place where conservatives are very excited to already be talking about 2016. it's a way for all of the biggest names to test some of their messages and themes but it can also lead to some unexpected trouble, and that happened when governor scott walker made a comment in response to a question that's stirring attention and controversy. >> hi. >> reporter: sleeves rolled up and no jacket required wisconsin governor scott walker quickly got to work on president obama's foreign policy. >> radical islamic terrorism is a throat our way of life. >> reporter: walker claimed his own long battle with public employees unions prepared him to face isis f. i can take on 100,000 protesters i can do the

same across the world. >> reporter: with all the fire of a texas barbecue -- >> we could have had hillary here. but we couldn't find a foreign nation to foot the bill. >> reporter: ted cruz turned up the heat on hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton -- embodies the corruption of washington. >> reporter: conservatives seized on "the washington post" report that seven foreign governments donated millions of dollars to the clinton foundation. while hillary clinton served assing secretaryas as secretary. carly fiorina called out clinton several times. >> she tweets about women's rights in this country, and takes money from governments that deny women the most basic human rights. >> reporter: vying for the support of these active conservatives is a huge republican field. new jersey governor chris christie trailing in early fund-raising, took jab at jeb

bush. >> if what happens is if the elites in washington who make back room deals decide who the president's going to be he's definitely the front runner. >> reporter: and jeb bush will have his say later today. also the crowd will hear from rand paul and rick perry, and rick perry is taking issue with what governor scott walker said saying it is inappropriate to make a comparison between american protesters who are union members trying to change their government and group like isis that's responsible for such terrible violence. now, governor scott walker's communications director has also responded trying to put kniss perspective and she provided a statement to us saying governor walker believes our fight against isis is one of the most important issues our country faces. he was in no way comparing any american stoin isis. what the governor was saying when faced with adverseity he chooses strength and leadership. the qualities we need to fix the leadership shpship void that this white house created. mika in part kwhap edwhat

happened, when asked a question he went to the comfortable place, took on unions for that protracted battle he faced in his own state. mixing those topics made political tough sand. >> thank you very much. we'll end the block exactly where we began. the gdp fourth quarter numbers came out. >> weaker. expectations 2.6%. it's a revised number. going to get revised again. bottom line the economy still is growing and -- >> right. >> -- overalla um ins up. >> michelle and sallie stay with us. we'll have a lot of different topics now. branch out. still ahead, robin williams daughter breaks her silence in an exclusive interview with nbc news revealing how she plans to honor her father's legacy. and the debate that's taken over the internet and you should have seen the table of men debating this about an hour ago. did you see that michelle? >> i have no seen this. what is this? >> we'll clear this up. the executive editor of

"harper's bazaar" here to tell us what color this dress is and why there's a question in the first place. it actually changed right before my eyes. we'll be right back.

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>> j. crew, taking a selfie. can't do it? >> why. >> got to do it on my phone. her phone has something call add lumi almost like the lighting that goes around the mirror of 0 broadway dressing room. if you are a fading diva this -- >> did you just say i was a fading diva? >> no. >> lumee, you're welcome, america. now to the big question dividing the country what color is this dress? here's nbc's tamron hall with the story, first. >> reporter: it all started with a simply for help. scottish singer kaitlyn mcneil posted to her tumblr site please help me. is this dress white and gold or blue and black? with that the twitter hash tag the dress was born. a trending topic worldwide and sparking a fierce debate across the internet. everyone weighed in from actors to restaurants, even u.s.

senator chris murphy who says that dress is gold and white. kim kardashian tweeting i see white and gold. kanye sees black and blue. who is color blind. and taylor swift, i don't understand this odd dress debate. p.s., it's obviously blue and black. the dispute went viral after buzzfeed shared the fought oh on its website garnering more than 21 million views and counting and spawning eight top trending posts. >> took off immediately. we started seeing people click on quickly and it you know became our biggest traffic night of all-time. >> reporter: as for why people see different colors in the same photograph, experts say it's simple science. >> this is a perception that's just the way the brain processes information that comes in and everyone's brain is different. so even though it's the same stimulus coming in, which it is, everyone crosses the information different. >> reporter: after her post went viral kaitlyn share add follow jum foet oaf the dress being worn and it turns out it's a

victory for team blue and black. >> it actually is. >> the weird thing -- >> what? >> everyone processes it differently, it literally changed before my eyes. what does that say about me? >> you stared at this picture. >> went from black and blue to blue and gold i. feel like we're being toyed with. >> between this and the escaped llamas yesterday, it was very difficult -- >> all i can say, you guy, can i say one thing? do you like my green sweater? >> no. i -- i -- that happened. on the air this morning. >> and then suddenly went blue. no black there. >> no. find out the designer and bring her her. >> call me designer. >> "harper's bazaar." >> a huge seller. who wouldn't want to buy the dress? sold in a british store called roman. we're digging into this. >> in england. english people. >> all right. >> but as the case -- it doesn't look different in person. just the way the lighting was on

the picture, as i understand it. >> i was looking at it earlier, it literally changed. that's something strange. >> most of the world is galvanized by this burning issue. divas, stay with me fading diva. >> stay with me. >> i have nowhere to go. and up close, zelda williams daughter of the late robin williams. up next. keep it right here on "morning joe." sometimes the present looked bright. sometimes romantic. there were tears in my eyes. and tears in my eyes. and so many little things that we learned were really the biggest things. through it all, we saved and had a retirement plan. and someone who listened and helped us along the way. because we always knew that someday the future would be the present. every someday needs a plan. talk with us about your retirement today.

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all right. we have an nbc news exclusive now. last august the world lost a bit of its sense of hume whir iconic comedian and actor robin williams took his own life. in her first interview since his death 25shgs-year-old zelda williams is opening up about the loss of her dad and keeping his legacy alive through charity. here's nbc news correspondent kate snow. >> it gets a lot of attention. >> reporter: after her father's attention, zelda williams tat tooud a hummingbird on her right hand because she wanted to see it every day i. like hum pg birds. they're fun, flighty and strange. it's hard to keep them in one place, and dad was a bit like that. keeping a conversation in one moment was impossible with him. >> look at the car, look at the car, look at the car! >> for me a reminder i wanted.

>> i lost somebody to suicide, too, so i know that there's often that sort of why did this happen question. >> i don't think there's a point. >> reporter: because you'll never know? >> no and it's not -- it's not important to xshgsask, because -- >> reporter: because it's done. >> yeah. >> reporter: all of the people who knew your dad as a fan, who knew his work when it happened everyone wanted to know why? how could this happen? >> diseases are -- until we find out exactly how they work we don't have an explanation. a lot of people who have been through it and lost someone in any way, the ones that i found that have gone on to lead very full lives found that they just had to knee there's no point questioning it and there's no point blaming anyone else for it. there's no point blaming yourself for the world or whatever the case may be,

because it happened. so you have to continue to move, and you have to continue to live, and manage. >> reporter: on friday in los angeles, zelda williams will present a noble award to a group robin williams worked for for years that provides prosthetics for those with disabilities. >> done charity since he had the wherewithal and ability to do it. his favorite thing other than comedy was. >> reporter: zelda wants to carry this on because it was so important to him. she knows she's not the only one who misses her father and everyone has a favorite memory. >> nanu nanu. >> reporter: the world keeps spinning. that doesn't mean he was never on it. up next what if anything did we learn today?

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this one says meant to write an e-mail saying hey, jim i'm afraid i can't come but i hit send after writing, hey, jim, i'm afraid. hold me, jim. this one's from @drewrungerford. boss sent texting. check your e-mail. e-mail said, call me. >> fyi. >> that's just me. fyi to that one, man. that's just -- cruel. >> okay. it's time now to talk about what we learned today. all right. fading divas -- >> i'm owning it. >> including myself sallie. it's self-deprecating humor. it's not real. >> abused. >> you're a beaut. all right. so -- what have you learned today sallie? elevate? >> well, elevate. talking about the economy today. and we all, i think, would agree the economic engagement of women is a big driver of the economy. we've launched the elevate network in houston yesterday, we're opening chapters like we're growing weeds and it was

the mayor, declared it elevate day. >> i love it! >> every day should be elevate day. >> ellaviate network. >> told me you had something big coming gave me like i was sitting on the -- i knew it was going to be great, because you were obsessed. you were living and breathing it. >> we launched actually about ten months nine months ago launched the pax elevate global women's index fund that invests behind the top rated companies for advancing women i. love it. >> look, its early days. get a three year five-year track record but so far, what we hoped would happen which is the diversity of gender and all kinds drives better business results. >> i love it. >> we're seeing some results. >> do smuf together. michelle what have you learned? >> waiting to see what happens with the meetings between the state department and the cuban government which is here in a u.s. government building. first time in decades, and they were trying to open and embassy there and maybe open an embassy

here. let's see how these talks go today. prickly so far. but maybe we'll get progress. >> interesting. laura brown i saw these on instagram and said bring them. >> i, too -- on the talks, these are jenna lyons from j. crew. her famous glasses. they're from actually i'm not going to say who they're from. >> why not? >> because -- musscot. sorry, jenna. smart women running fashion and other, all in praise of that. >> i want to meet her. will you bring her to the table? come on jenna. >> the sirens. the call of mika. >> we're not fading divas. just playing around. if it's way too early it's time for "morning joe," but now it's time for "the rundown." have a great weekend, everybody. bye-bye! good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart and first on "the rundown" this morning we are following breaking news for you out of south central

missouri month. a local sheriff says eight people killed at multiple locations across texas county a ninth person also dead in a neighboring county. there may be as many as six different crime scenes. it's believed to the gunman. no word on the victims or gunman and no word of motive just yet. awaiting a press conference for authorities there and we'll be listening to that and bring you any details as soon as we get them but now to