40 50 democrat votes for transportation bill. i mean let's invest in the country. >> so quickly, tim, is boehner a tea partier tonight? >> we're going to find out. the clock's ticking. >> congressman tim ryan with us here on the ed show tonight. the drama unfolds on capitol hill. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starpts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening. thanks to you for tuning in. we continue with the breaking news. a stunning failure by house republicans putting funding for homeland security in jeopardy. we're now just six hours from a shutdown of the agency. the clock is ticking down. and the mood in washington is frantic. with reports of speaker boehner furiously still trying to drum up for votes a last-ditch short-term bill. it's a major surprise. this was the scene less than an

hour ago. with republicans holding open a vote for nearly 50 minutes desperate for passage. that bill would have extended funding for three weeks but dozens of republicans refused to go along because the bill didn't undo the president's immigration actions. and the democrats refused to bail out the speaker because the bill would have triggered another funding crisis in gist three weeks. for speaker boehner, it's a public embarrassment. another failure to control the right wing caucus. and the result tonight a homeland security shutdown is looking more and more likely. joining me now is dana milbank and clarence paige, thank you both for coming on the show. dane narks how surprised were you at the vote?

>> in the larger sense you're never surprised to find out that congress isn't getting something done. we should never be surprised that they failed to do something. but everybody figured what it would come down to in the end was they were just punting for a few weeks. that's the kind of thing that congress can still do is punt. so this is entirely surprising that this particular vote failed and now john boehner has a very serious choice. is he more concerned about keeping his job as speaker or is he more concerned about doing what needs to be done to the country right now? >> the clock, for our viewers, the clock you see is ticking away toward midnight. that is when homeland security will close down. clarence, give me a minute. i want to bring in congressman iman waleemmanuel cleaver, democrat from missouri. thank you for being here, congressman. >> good to be with you. >> are you surprised at the republican failure to get any bill passed with the deadline now less than six hours away?

>> i'm surprised at the margin of that loss because i thought that they would twist enough arms to get the bill crossed. keep in mind votes are supposed to remain open for 15 minutes. they kept the vote open for 45 minutes. during that 45-minute period they were twisting arms and stim couldn't get the votes. so i think that there's a section in that conference that will not support anything that they think will be of value to the president. >> congressman we're talking homeland security a week when three people were arrested talking about joining isis. this is a very very serious time. do republicans have any plan to avoid a homeland security shutdown, to your knowledge? >> as i left the capitol a few minutes ago after the vote members were grumbling and mumbling. i think they're going to gather

later on tonight. i can't imagine getting very many people to switch. i mean if you had been on the floor to see the tension of the floor and seeing all that pressure being applied to no good end, at least as far as they are concerned, and the leadership was concerned. so i'm not sure that they're going to be able to do anything tonight. we have up until 11:59 to fix this problem. i don't see it being fixed by then unless boehner puts his speak areship on the line. >> so they don't have from what you can see, a plan b. you're saying they seemed adamant on the floor that they were not going to budge, these far right conservatives? >> absolutely. as the time remained open they were actually losing votes to pass the three-week cr. so they were going in the wrong direction. so i can't imagine anything happening that would cause them to change their mind. >> you said unless boehner puts

his speak areer ship on the line. what do you mean by that? >> we can pass this bill there's no question about it. we can pass this bill in ten minutes if they call the vote and put a clean bill on the floor, it sails through, and it will go to the senate and the president will sign it and all will be fine in the united states. but it would mean that the speaker would have to tell his caucus, look i'm going to put this bill on the floor because it's in the best interests o the country and you guys do what you want and do what you have to do. under those circumstances, he would be in jeopardy as the speaker. >> so you're saying that if a clean bill was put on the floor without any of this about taking out the president's executive action on immigration, it would pass but the speaker would have to say i'm going to put everything on the line even if my caucus comes back against me i'm not going to let this country have homeland security shut down that's what he would have to do? >> that's exactly what he would have to do.

i would vote for it and i think every single democrat would vote for it and half the republicans would vote for it. but you know and i like john boehner so i hate to see him lose his speakership, but i think at this kind of a point, it's either the nation or a group of 50 or 60 people who are holding hostage the republican congress. >> wow it's either the nation or 50 or 60 people. do you think, from your own knowing and dealings with the republicans in the house, do you think he would lose his speakership? >> i think it would be very very close. i think this would be a dangerous vote for him. and i think he understands that as well. so this is moment for john boehner like no other moment since he became speaker of the house. i would hate to lose him, let me just say that because i'm not sure who we would get to replace him. we could be in much more serious

trouble if we got someone who came to congress with the absolute commitment to disrupt, who is anti-government and serving in government. >> congressman, stay with me a minute. i want to bring in clarence paige. clarence stunning stunning events. how do you see this? are you surprised are you still surprised? >> well, i am. i still expect speaker boehner to do the right thing before the shutdown as we've seen in the past. he's been willing to go along with their far right wing of his caucus up to the point where it really puts the nation's security or finances in jeopardy. i also predicted that chicago mayor rahm emanuel wouldn't have to face a runoff either. i've been wrong once this week. i'd hate to be wrong twice especially on something of this import. i like the thing that speaker boehner is the speaker and not louis gomert of texas, but i'm beginning to doubt. >> dana explain to the american

public how do you explain, if you can, given such power, if you're boehner, to just 50 members of the house? >> there's the hastert rule in the republican cog, and he basically can't bring something to the floor unless it has majority support in his caucus. so it's not just those 50 guys who voted against this legislation. he must feel that he does not have a majority in favor of the senate bill the clean bill as they say. and if he doesn't have that and he brings the bill forward anyway, he's violated this cardinal principle and that would be the justification for them to have this sort of a coup and toss the speaker out of his job. now, you know as the congressman was saying he has democrats here certainly willing to back him up on this vote. so they'll certainly win the vote if he brings the senate bill up. and, of course everybody votes

for the speaker of the house. and it's even theoretically possible that the democrats would help him keep his speakership, but that's completed uncharted territory here and that's not something he wants to rely on. >> we are now, congressmen, under six hours until the dhs funding expires. here's what a shutdown of homeland security would look like. 30,000 workers will be furloughed. 200,000 workers won't get paid. and there will be a loss of some funding to local law enforcement. this is a game of politics gone wrong. and now hitting the real world, isn't it congressman? >> well yes. you know we should be able to say to each other that the politics stops when we put the security of the american people in jeopardy. i've long believed that we have become politically tribal in congress to the point that we

are only put ideology ahead of logic and we put ideology quite often in front of the public. and that's got to stop. and this may be the vote that will change things. the public may become so outraged that they will make a new commitment to elect people who are going to be able to work together and compromise. nobody is going to have their way. my voters didn't send me to washington to have my way. it means i have to compromise. i'm willing to do so but i'm not going to put the american public in jeopardy. and i think that the overwhelming majority of the public including republicans, want this thing settled before 11:59 tonight. >> congressman, bottom line do you think we're going to be able to stop this or not? >> i think that when i get out of here and i'll go over and see what the temperature is over near the conference room meeting, i think we'll have a better idea.

right now, i would say it doesn't look good but something may happen and this may be another one of those all-night sessions where we're here until the wee hours of the morning to get something done. and i think people are willing to do that but they also are not going to budge in terms of getting a clean continuing resolution on the floor that doesn't require that we come back every three weeks to the brink. >> congressman, feel free to come back. this is very very serious to the people of this country. congressman emmanuel cleaver, dana milbank and clarence page thank you all for your time tonight. have a great weekend, as best as we can. this is very serious. >> thank you. >> coming up the boo birds turned out for jeb bush at the right-wing summit. you won't believe why his big appearance came a little late and then, of course, there's this.

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transmitted illnesses? it's the revenge of the hippies. sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll have come back to haunt us. if i didn't care about you, why would i bring this up? >> that's right. duck dynasty rambled incoherently for nearly half an hour delaying the start of jeb's interview. cpac organizers put up this message urging him to quote, please wrap up now. they even played music to get him off the stage. just like at the oscars. but when jeb bush himself finally came out, it's fair to say he got a mixed reaction especially when he talked about immigration. >> you supported in-state tuition prices for those children of illegal immigrants that weren't citizens. wait a minute. hang on. >> we should give them the path to legal status where they work and where they make a contribution to our society.

that's what we need to be focused on. >> a lot of reaction. >> the boo birds were out. it's clear the right wingers are not thrilled with jeb. one radio host even blasted jeb from the same stage earlier in the day. >> why don't we just call it quits and jeb and hillary can run on the same ticket? i'm designing a bum manier sticker that could be clush 2016. what difference does it make? >> it is what happened when the crowd was polled on their favorite potential 2016 candidates. >> senator rand paul. who likes governor scott walker? very impressive. jeb bush any supporters? >> if jeb bush thought he was on

the fast track to the gop nomination today he definitely hit a speed bump. joining me now from the conference is msnbc's political correspondent casey hunt and e.j. dionne of "the washington post." thank you both for being here. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> nice to be here reverend. >> casey, jeb bush didn't exactly get a rock star reception, but did he get credit for just showing up? >> reverend, i think that he did. i think that he absolutely passed the test that was set up for him here today. he started off a little bit tentative. he almost seemed nervous like he was a little bit punchy but he relaxed into it. and while there were some tense moments with sean hannity, who you saw there interviewing him, he really by tend of it had gotten into this comfortable sparring rhythm. honestly he gave the kind of performance that would make you

think he would be pretty formidable on a debate stage, whether in the republican primary or against hillary clinton and his staff also did a good job of making sure that the room was filled with his supporters. so while he did get something of a mixed reception, it was clear there were a lot of people in room that were specifically cheering for him while the other half rg maybe the usual cpac attendees weren't quite as sure how to react. it was not the kind of falling apart that would have caused everyone to say, you know what jeb bush is no longer the front-runner. he came in the front-runner and he leaves the front-runner. >> e.j. this was, in fairness to jeb bush this was not his crowd. i mean he certainly was going into a crowd that are very very much to the right, and he seemed to survive it even though he hit a bump or two here or there. >> in fact as kasie said this is so much not his crowd that they had to bus in a bunch of

people to make sure he had some cheers out there. i was struck by how much this performance showed how complicated bush's path is. because on the one hand on the other hand. for example, he totally danced around when he was asked about congress' handling of the dhs funding. he basically gave a strong statement that president obama shouldn't have done what he did with the executive actions on immigration, but then said and i'm paraphrasing, washington rules aren't my thing. he does know something about washington. and he was kind of going back and forth trying to be anti-obama and anti-hillary enough for the crowd but not to back away from some of his core positions. so that my view is this did show how much trouble he is going to have with the right, but he really does want to try in some way to separate himself from the farther fringes of the right.

we'll see if that can work in a primary. >> do you think he's still the most formidable candidate? do you agree that he's still the number one candidate in the republican sweepstakes at this point? >> i think he is the democrat's favorite candidate at this point. i'm not sure he's the republican's favorite candidate in the republican primary. i run into a conservative republican who said recently look, jeb's got money, he's smart, he's got standing. the only thing he's missing is votes. and i think that this is a much more conservative party than the party was that his brother got nominated by in the year 2000. even though jeb bush is very conservative it's still not clear to me that he's conservative enough for where the party is which is why you're hearing so much talk about scott walker. >> let me ask you, kasie, you were in the room. what did you hear in the room

this week? was there anyone that broke through? >> well, look e.j.'s right in that this crowd was always going to be the crowd that was looking for the conservative alternative alternative. right now that's scott walker. he's the person that sort of lit up this room probably the most at least in a surprising way. they reacted well to senator ted cruz as well but everybody felt that was to be expected. walker, of course, has made a couple of stumbles or at least some critics have seized on comments he's made over the course of the past couple of weeks. and the remark that he made here about isis and labor unions he said that taking on union protesters would help prepare him to fight isis. in an interview with me governor rick perry called that a mistake and inappropriate because these people are americans. if there's a pattern of him saying these things the and having to defend against them there will be serious questions about whether or not he's ready for prime time.

but so far he's successfully used those moments to if anything, add more excitement from voters like the people here at cpac. he also passed the test of this conference in that way. >> e.j. he didn't back down. jeb bush didn't back down on immigration, he kind of stood his ground but he danced around -- your words not mine though i agree -- around the dhs shutdown. but doesn't that really show the power of the conservatives in this party that we are less than six hours away from a possible shutdown of the department of homeland security in this climate with americans really on edge and we're talking about a shutdown in less than six hours? doesn't that show the power of the conservatives in this party? >> well in brief, yes. it absolutely does. and i think it's another difference you see from 2000 and

2016. jeb bush went out of his way on a number of occasions to separate himself from the republican congress, gingrich then dennis hastert on issues like the earned income tax credit. he really wanted to show middle of the road voters i'm not them. this time the party is so focused and particularly the conservative parts of the party that it's not as easy for jeb to disentangle himself from the party. so instead of saying we should pass this and fight the president on this at another time he felt obligated to do the dancing. and i think that really tells you something about where the republicans are right now and where the power is. >> all right, kasie hunt and e.j. dionne, thank you for your time tonight. have a great weekend. >> you too. ahead, more on the breaking news tonight. under six hours away from a homeland security shutdown

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to pass a last-minute budget bill to fund the department of homeland security. that leaves us less than six hours away from an agency shutdown. the bill would have only funded the department for three weeks, but a group of conservative republicans still refused to vote for it because it didn't attack the president's executive action on immigration. so now the big question can speaker boehner fix this mess by midnight. joining me now from the white house is nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. also with us staff writer for roll call. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having us. >> kristen, i want to get to the white house in a minute but first, emma you're on capitol hill. what was it like up there? >> it was something else.

it's not every day that you see a bill like that go down spectacularly, actually. people said it was going to be close. it was going to be a squeaker but it was much wider a margin than anybody anticipated. it was pretty amazing. i was in the gallery watching over the chamber floor. and you could just see the startle on some people's faces and the satisfaction on democrats' faces that they were able, all but 12 were able to stand together and sing this because they didn't like that it didn't fund the department, the full six months the end of the fiscal year. and you could see republican leaders scrambling with their cards trying to change votes. >> when you say you could see people startled the startle in their face you're talking about members of congress. >> members of congress. >> and what was the leadership, the republican leadership what were they looking like? >> they were huddling with their folks. they were talking amongst themselves. you know, this is a case where people knew the vote was going to be so close.

speaker boehner actually voted himself. it's very rare for the speaker of the house to take a position in a roll-call vote. he knew he had to play his part here. it was open for a half hour maybe even closer to 40 minutes while they tried to change votes. it was actually they kept the clock going on the same -- you know you keep that open thinking maybe we'll lose one or gain one. and it just stayed exactly as it was for, you know at least 10 or 15 minutes, just sort of crystallized. the other amazing thing to see happen is once it got to the point where you knew it was going to go down all the republicans who had been holding out or voting yes suddenly realized that they could vote no and the democrats who didn't want to vote right away were starting to make their positions known, either the more moderate democrats who wanted to vote yes or the ones who wanted to vote no after it became clear that they had that kind of power in that situation to force

leadership's hand. so it really was a stunning moment. >> very, very dramatic on capitol hill. let's go to the house. kristen, what's the reaction to this whole situation from the white house? >> well reverend al i have to tell you a lot of surprised faces here at the white house as well. the presumption for most of the day on both sides of pennsylvania avenue was that house speaker john boehner would come up with the 218 votes he needed within his own party to get this passed. we've been hearing from democrats all day long who said that they're not going to vote yes on this because it only funds dhs for three weeks. so now officials here huddling trying to determine what their next steps if any will be. we haven't seen a very robust outreach from the white house. instead we've really seen jeh johnson taking the lead. he's been the one on capitol hill. president obama taking his message on the road defending his immigration actions and, of course pressing for dhs to be fully funded. the white house making the argument that if funding runs

out at midnight it will impact national security. they say that will happen because 30,000 workers will be furloughed, then 200,000 essential employees will have to go to work and they won't get paid. tsa officers border patrol officers, fema workers and secret service agents. this comes at a critical time when the nation is fighting isis at home and abroad. so the strategy from the white house has really been to put the pressure on just by getting that message out. so here we are just a few hours away from midnight. i think the white house trying to determine what their next steps will be as they wait for house speaker john boehner to see if he has a way out of this. >> the president hasn't backed down from standing up to these far right republicans in the house, and the democrats did not bail speaker boehner out tonight by voting for this. very very interesting. very, very dramatic kristen.

>> it is. and the strategy i think, is they perceive house speaker john boehner to be boxed in essentially because they know that this is a republican issue. homeland security. if you listen to peter king from new york, he makes the argument that essentially republicans, by wavering on this are giving this issue over to democrats. so ultimately i think the white house knows that house speaker john boehner wants to get something passed. he's getting pressure from the conservative members in his party who want to take action on the president's immigration actions. they want any legislation to block the president's immigration action and president obama has the power to veto that and he has said explicitly he'll veto any legislation that comes to his desk that blocks immigration plans. the white house thinks they have the upper hand there. the thinking in this instance was that house speaker john boehner would get this passed and then they would wait for

those three weeks to see what happened in the courts then that could perhaps give speaker boehner an out after those three weeks. but as you point out, reverend al those democrats didn't budge. they didn't cave. so now big questions about how this is going to get resolved with just six hours to go. >> nbc's kristen welker and emma dumain. thank you for your time and your reporting tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> still ahead, president obama honors the legacy of attorney general eric holder. his comments about justice, civil rights and the fight ahead. also the donald trump circus returns to the gop. just in time for the 2016 presidential race. and why did dress became such a phenomenon. i need to look for a used car. but i just keep

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. we're watching that breaking news tonight of potential shutdown of the homeland security department. will republicans find a way to fix the mess they've created? we're keeping an eye on that. but now it's time for "conversation nation." joip joining me tonight tara dowdel

and sirius xm radio host julia cunningham. thank you all for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> he's trying to fool everyone again. my friend donald trump is hinting at running for president again. >> i already told the apprentice people, nbc wanted to renew. i said i'm doing something else. it's very important to me. i'm doing something very important. so i'm looking at it very seriously. >> on a scale, where are you in deciding to run. >> i would say 75 and 80. it's my theme. make america great again. that's what i want to do. >> and on the big stage, he decided to joke about president obama's birth certificate again. >> as far as the birth certificate, hillary clinton wanted his birth certificate. hillary is a birther.

she wanted it. but shes with unable to get it. but trump comes along and said birth certificate. he gave a birth certificate. >> he's flirting with republicans, but is donald trump a liability for the party? >> oh absolutely. i mean, he may play well with the extreme part of the base by attacking the president which is the easiest way to ingratiate yourself with the republican base is to go full birther and attack the president. but he's not serious. he hasn't hired any staff, he's not formed any kind of inpra structure for a pain. this a vanity play for donald trump. >> i totally agree. this man spends more time with reality stars than politicians. he's full of hot air. he's fotnot going to win, he's not going to run. and if he does i'm moving to the moon. >> i'll go with you. first of all, i'd love to go there, it sounds amazing. >> if he wins. >> even if he run, we don't have to jump to the moon right away

we have plenty of time. the birther jokes get new material. >> do you think that he would be competitive if he ran, tara? >> no absolutely not. he's a one-trick pony. the birther thing, attacking the president, that's all he has. that's why he does it so much because it allows him o to escape talking about actual policy. he says we should come down on china, but meantime he's manufacturing in china. he brings the birther thing up and it's a distraction. >> let's talk about the dress, shall we? i'm sure you've all seen it debated it fought over it. the picture that broke the internet. is blue and black or is it white and gold? >> it's blue with black. >> blue and black. >> blue purply kind of thing. >> white and gold. >> white and gold yep. >> how is that possible really? this is weird. >> the dress has been the top

trending topic on twitter for almost 24 hours. it gave buzzfeed its best day ever. 29.8 million hits. it's setting social media on fire. ellen tweeted from this day on the world will be divide into two people blue and black or white and gold. here's a funny one showing madea to make their point. we love this one. the llamas united us the dress divided us. and who knows? maybe the dress is actually left shark. so why are people seeing the colors differently? we call in the big guns to find out. >> hey, reverend al bill nye here. the thing about the dress, it's all about the dress rather than being all about that bass. i think it might have to do with polarized light. you know when light reflects it polarizes partially. so you got to think when it goes through the lens of your eye it

would change like things reflect and gets just kind of weird. >> okay. let's go first around to everyone starting with noah what color do you see? >> i see both actually. it keeps switching for me. yeah. >> i am team black and blue. >> tara. >> white and gold. >> oh see? >> that's insane. >> white and gold. it's right there, see in white and gold. >> have you had this all day, white and gold it doesn't change for you. >> it has not changed for me yet. >> but it changes for you. >> i saw blue and black this time but i saw white and gold. but interesting why this story captured so many people's attention. things like politics everyone has an opinion because it's so simple. what color is something is something we can all talk about. >> especially something messing with your mind. stop tweeting i'm trying to

watch "how to get away with murder." not this synthetic dress. >> it shows the power of social media. >> insane how much it took over. >> more people care. >> and also there's so much negativity going on right now, you have the republicans trying to shut down the department of homeland security. you have isil you have all this negative news. so i think people just wanted a break. they wanted something fun. >> and don't believe your lying eyes. everyone stay with me. house of cards is back. what does this say about our politics? discover card. hey! so i'm looking at my bill and my fico® credit score's on here. we give you your fico® score each month for free! awesomesauce! wow! the only person i know that says that is...lisa? julie?! at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card and see your fico® credit score.

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we're back with our panel, the real life drama playing out in the nation's capital tonight remind meese of that made for tv political drama "house of cards" season three is out. the show centers on a man's mission for political power and, spoiler alert, kevin spacey's character finally becomes the president. >> you want to know what takes real courage? holding it all together when the stakes are this high. >> this guy killed lied and cheated his way to the white house. julia, what does this show's popularity say about our politics in the real world? >> sometimes people will say

that washington, d.c. is sort of the other hollywood. they want to see the other excitement that people see come out in real life. wouldn't it be fascinating if you found the president made his way to the white house because he shoved a reporter in front of a moving subway? things happen so quickly to come true and that's not the way politics works. >> why are people so fascinated with this kind of corruption and conniving and ruthlessness? >> especially now a lot of our diets are based on reality tv. when we see that play out in politics as well people are hungry for that. they love that. but ironic that so many people love the show because so few americans are interested in politics. it's the dark underbelly that they're actually interested in. >> do you thing people are thinking that this is real or parts of it is real tara or do you think that people are just saying this is the extreme and it's entertainment? >> some people absolutely think this is real. i've heard people comment and

they thing that yes, this is how a lot of politicians behave. i was actually surprised by that. i can see as someone who worked in politics the majority of people who do work in politics are good people. but the bad people do make it really tough. >> one of the things that's striking is that you see a lot of maneuvering and a lot of ruthlessness in politics but in many ways on both sides of the aisle it's for a bigger purpose, for a greater good. but in this show it's about pow er there is no goal in terms of changing public policy that spacey's character is after. >> yeah only legacy. the whole goal of the show is legacy for frank underwood. >> there are some people like -- maybe not to the extreme, but in terms of ruthlessness i still have knife wounds in my back. >> give us some names. >> wait for the book. no, i'm not naming names.

>> do you think people actually exist like this. >> i think for sure. because people are transparent that we don't know the average american doesn't know and so they're likely to believe it. >> but i've seen some great moments in politics. i've seen people rise and do some very noble and great things, but they don't get netflix shows. >> they get "the west wing." >> yeah i guess so. tara and noah and julia, thank you. honoring attorney general eric holder. and he got emotional, next. and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis from the inside out... with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage and clear skin in many adults. doctors have been prescribing humira for nearly 10 years.

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his nominee for together of the united states. it was a seminal moment to watch a black man become the head of the justice department. and it was proof that progress can and will come to fruition. no attorney general in history has a civil rights record equal to holder's over the last six years. from the fight for voting rights to criminal justice reform to ferguson, to gay rights. and as the loretta lynch senate vote gets closer eric holder is telling nbc news' pealte williams what he wants his legacy to be. >> so now that it was when you started as attorney general? >> i say it's more worrisome. i say that it's different. the threat is more diffuse than when i started six years ago. we started on core al qaeda, now

we're concerned about core al qaeda much less and more concerned about al qaeda affiliates. >> today the justice department unveiled the attorney general holder's official portrait and president obama was there with a personal and heartfelt statement. >> that sums up eric's career. a life guided by justice aimed at his north star. his bedrock belief in the fundamental rights and equality of all people. you're a good man, and you know having good men in positions of power and authority who are willing to fight for what's right, that's a rare thing. that's a powerful thing. it's something that shapes our future in ways we don't even understand. >> over the last six years eric holder's taken a lot of shots from the right.

but he never showed it. tonight the queen of soul aretha franklin was also there to thank him and sing to him. he got emotional. ♪ he's courageous integrity ♪ ♪ he's a champion ♪ ♪ he's a warrior ♪ yes he is ♪ ♪ yeah yeah yeah yeah ♪ ♪ ooh, yeah ♪ ♪ let everybody say yes ♪ ♪ say yes ♪ ♪ say yes ♪ >> over the last couple of decades, i've seen eric holder up close. we're not buddies or friends, but in various capacities i've worked in certain situations

that put me in front of him. usually public officials are not as good as their friends say and not as bad as their enemies say, but eric holder's one of the few i could say is better than the good his friends say. he really is and has been about what's fair and just. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. crazy time. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. as congressman peter king put it, we're living in the twofrld crazy people. this new republican controlled congress has erupted into the battle over homeland security and the money runs out