various capacities i've worked in certain situations that put me in front of him. usually public officials are not as good as their friends say and not as bad as their enemies say, but eric holder's one of the few i could say is better than the good his friends say. he really is and has been about what's fair and just. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. crazy time. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. as congressman peter king put it, we're living in the twofrld crazy people. this new republican controlled congress has erupted into the battle over homeland security and the money runs out midnight

tonight. the drama is turning into a major disaster for the republican leadership up there this party that prides itself on strong national security. late today the house voted to kill an initial vote on to fund the department for a mere three weeks. let me say this again, just for three weeks they wouldn't do it. speaker boehner made a bet he could pass the measure if he had only republican votes to do it and he he was torpedoed by 50 votes in his own party. democrats would not help bail him out. what now tonight? i'm joined by the moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd. the republicans took over both houses, there was a notion afoot that they would be unanimous in getting along with each other, they would actually move together as a buffer to the president, a challenge to the president. now they're a challenge to each other. >> well, they are in this case that's for sure. look, there seems to be three options here. one of which i don't think boehner's going the take tonight. option one is to put the

three-week extension back on the floor right close to midnight and see if heck beg nancy pelosi, beg the white house to go find me 25 democrats, live to fight another day. option two is simply a seven-day extension. and i hear they're looking at that. not sure he'd get any democratic support on that but maybe he things he can find 218 republican. option three is to take the senate bill which fully funds. boehner's problem is if he caves he can't cave quickly and he can't kafb tonight. the atmospherics will be terrible for him. that's why he's been trying to walk this line he's got his own politics worrying about conservatives suddenly gunning for his job. do they go the three-week at midnight or do they try to seven-day game it. >> if he votes the senate bill which he can pass with democratic votes that would be a full extension of homeland security without any mickey mouse, he would be accused of backing amnesty, basically, he would be dead. >> especially if he did noit before you find out if the courts are going to allow the

president to begin implementing his executive order on immigration. the whole reason why boehner went with this temporary stepgs is he's trying to find out what are the courts going to say. are they going to say you can't start this until the legal questions are cleared up by the supreme court. if they do that then his job is easy. he'll do a clean bill and it's done. that's what boehner's trying to do, look for breathing room until we find out what the fifth circuit will say. >> he's got a 5-4 republican control of the u.s. supreme court. he has a better than even chance of getting an agreement, i think, what do you think? >> well it depends on the lawyeresque. don't forget you do have john roberts who has believed in expansive executive power. i don't think that's the slam dunk. but it's an open question. and the most important thing as far as john boehner's concerned is this would be an open -- this would be moot, the executive

action, for at least a year. that's why boehner wants this short-term extension to see if he can get the court, hope the courts go his way and then doesn't look like he's cap capitulate capitulating. >> how much bad news is this for the republicans if they can't get this done by midnight and they go to overtime? >> it's bad but this is not -- it's not news chris. i guess it's the same problem that john boehner's had. he does not have control of just enough of the conservative wing of his party. they don't fear him. and he can't just sort of run the house. now, i know the house isn't what it was, but he can't do it. and you know same story. >> i think it's news for the night, but you may be right, it's not new news. thank you, chuck todd moderator of "meet the press." let's go to frank thorpe. it looks like from what you've said that this isn't anywhere near solved.

he needs 14 more democrats, 14 republicans or a mix of the two to get this through, short-term thing. >> republican leadership is meeting right now and trying to find a way forward. there's talk of a seven-day cr. but the problem with that is democratic leadership aides have said that democrats wouldn't vote for that the same they wouldn't vote for the three-week cr that just failed. they're kind of in a little bit of a pickle. we'll look back at this as another one of those shining examples of the republican conference having a hard time passing bills that a lot of us thought were going to actually go ahead and pass. >> say he has a moderate district back but there aren't any left as to why he wouldn't or she wouldn't vote for at least a three-week continuation. if they believe in government and homeland security why wouldn't they vote for at least a short-term extension? what would be the argument at home? >> democrats are arguing that if you go with the cr that there

are still a lot of different grants that wouldn't be able to go forward, a lot of funding that would be included within the full appropriations bill that is not included in the cr. so their argument is that the clean bill that the senate passed is more of a full funding bill than the cr. not to mention the fact that -- their argument is if they pass this seven-day cr they'll be back in the same place seven days from now, three weeks from now. it will be the same fight. more of just kind of a stand of we'll do this now or we'll do this in three weeks. >> is the speaker going around tonight with his supporters with scalise and mccarthy asking and offering things to get those -- all they need is 14 votes from their own caucus to get this through? >> they're meeting in boehner's office right now. they've been in there for over an hour up to two hours. you've seen members walking in and out of there mostly from the

whip team. but there's not very much that they have to offer to conservatives. they have a hard line here. they want to be able to -- >> the little bags of peanuts aren't going to do it for the elephants. >> right. for the conservatives they don't see this as a inwithwinning strategy. they didn't see the cromnibus as a winning strategy. they see that as temporarily funding president obama's actions. >> this will look bonehead for the republicans tonight. too bad for boehner he can't control his own team. the much respected first secretary of homeland security under president bush. he wrote an op ed protecting our nation is not a sport. the gop can't right president obama's wrong on the back of homeland security patriots. governor ridge, thanks for joining us on this strange friday night. the republican party seems to have walked out too far on the

ice on this one. they may have wanted to play the game but they're stuck with the finish. the government will shut down tonight. they're caught out there endangering homeland security. this i thought republican were good on. you were first secretary. your party created it. now it's being endangered. >> there are many dimensions to this inside the beltway game. one, as i believe as my republican colleagues do that the president has really overstepped his constitutional limits on his authority with the executive order. but i distinguish that wrong from the means by which they are going to try to redress what they perceive to be an accepted use of constitutional authority. unconstitutional authority. so what i'd like to do is get my republican friends to continue the battle on immigration in a more appropriate way but to continue to fund the department of homeland security. the only way i know is the men and women outside the beltway, they worry about going to their

jobs, they want their kids to go to school and have a few bucks to go out to dinner. but if we don't fund completely homeland security, not only do you jeopardize the work they're doing but the grant they gave to the state and locals who are responsible for safety and security, but it's bad policy but also political folly. >> there's a difference between the senate which has gone along with not getting these two entangled with each other, at least as of a couple days ago and the house. and i think it has to do with demographics. every senator represents a whole state and that includes a number of hispanic people latino people and those who are rooting for them in terms of becoming americans. many, many many in fact i would bet a majority of republican congressional districts don't have many hispanics in them. they don't fear this issue. this xenophobia is very strong in your party. they don't want to do anything that makes them sound like they're for amnesty. >> unfortunately, i think

they're mixing apples and oranges. i think you can express your disagreement with the president and his abuse of executive authority in many different ways. i for one would recommend a bill or a series of bills to challenge the president in a way that he's historically been challenged. send him a bill on immigration and let him veto it. but somebody -- and i said this the other day. i take this personal. these men and women go to work every single day. they have a sense of mission about them. they have spouses that have to pay bills. they have kids they want to get to school et cetera. but the whole notion that they have a legitimate -- and i think they have a legitimate grievance with the president's use of his authority in this issue, you don't redress that problem on the backs of people who are part of this massive effort to keep america safer and secure. it is flawed policy. it's wrong-headed and hopefully

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as a middle class college graduate from london. when he was 10 as pictured in these photographs he listened to pop music and watched the simpsons. he said he wanted to be a soccer player when he grew up. in this photo published by england's sky news. he's a university student wearing a pittsburgh pirates baseball cap. a few years later the world would come to know him for his role in the beheadings of journalists and aid workers. how was he radicalized? and that's where we begin tonight with nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel in istanbul. will it be easier to find this guy? >> reporter: in practical terms, no probably not. it's not like the u.s. counterterrorism forces weren't already looking for him. now they know his name. his name was already known to many law enforcement agencies. the only difference now is it's been reported in the media. and now we have pictures of him

as well. the one thing that it might do is it might demystify him. when you see a murderer who is making these statements and he's trying to present himself like he has the power of god to choose if one of the people he's holding will live or die and he's wearing a mask he could be perceived as being more powerful, more mysterious. now that you see his picture, you see his childhood photos he's less mysterious he's just another kid from london from a middle class background who went down this path and is now in syria with isis or in iraq with isis killing hostages. >> well said. that's ripped engel over in istanbul. i'm joined by a former british army officer and former director of the national counterterrorism center and co-author of "isis, inside the army of terrorists."

it seems to me every time we realize who they are, one of these terrorists we realize that the authorities had been sort of had a bead on the guy, had been watching him. then in this case we fiendnd out they knew about him before he told us about it. this knowing about a person before they commit their crimes is a little disturbing because we wonder why we couldn't stop them. why can't we stop these guys if we're watching them we have a bead on them and we know who they are and we don't strike until they strike. maybe that's infantile as a question but one we'll keep asking. >> what i find at the moment is ymi-5 and mi-6 were ed in this guy in the first place. we know they spoke to the tanzanian authorities and prevented him from going to tanzania. he then had to get the ferry back across the english channel. he was interrogated at dover.

there's a piece of the jigsaw missing why was there interest in him in the first place and what had he done to garner that interest. we know emwazi doesn't fit the normal template that he came from a middle class to well to do background. he had just gone to westminster to pursue a computing degree. the interesting thing about this guy, in order to become susceptible or craving this ideology -- and be no mistake here it's the ideology. what has marginalized him, what has made him feel excluded what made him feel animosity to go seek out this jihadi movement? >> it seems to me -- i never bought the argument that hard cases make terrorists. it seems to be more if you look at the history of revolutions they're all run by fidel castros, middle class people the french revolution, the

russian revolution all the revolution aers seemed to be middle class people with decent education that develop an ideology. it isn't about poverty leading to terror. your thoughts? >> no i think that's right. in fact i think what makes this business so difficult is there really is no template. every individual is indeed an individual. this jihadi john seems to have come from a middle class background. he seemed to have been relatively normal. he went to college. in other cases you could have identified traumatic events or reasons, motivations why they went bad. but i think what -- the mistake here is that we're looking at this guy under a microscope. we now know a great deal about him. so we can dissect where he should have been caught and why mistakes were made but what we're not looking at are the thousands of other cases like

jihad john the thousands of cases who are being sort of surveilled who have been stopped. the job here is massive. and just because one guy got through does not mean that the system has failed. >> your view because this is going to be problematic as we go on. with expertise developing it and catching people ahead of time knowing where the trouble is but if the pool was a thousand guys or women and one turns out to be a terrorist, you can't harass 999 without creating a good number of other terrorists probably. >> well, you know to disagree sligguests i do thing this fits a bit of an arc ta type. i lived in london for three years. i've seen numerous people like this second generation whilst living in british society attending good universities getting advanced degrees in some cases. i remember the case of the underpants bomber who tried to

blow up an airliner over the skies of detroit many christmases paepg this guy was attending university college london, the president of the islamic society, whilst president of that society was celebrating the attacks on 9/11 attending sermon business anwar al awlaki. he actually blew the whistle on his own son. british authorities had been alerted. they did nothing. in this case what disturbs me most is let's assume that the presentation of this organization which is deeply con controversial chris cage is correct this guy was recruited by mi-5 or stopped in tanzania. this means the british security services knew his identity. he was allowed to return to uk then leave, go to kuwait come back to the uk and leave the uk again in 2012 to go to syria. i'm sorry, but this does to me bespeak of failure or at least on border control. to enter and leave the british

isles, i've done it as an american i find it quite, you know -- >> solve the chicken/egg problem. he said one of the reasons he radicalized, he was being harassed each time he crossed. >> no chris -- >> i don't buy that. >> this organization cage used to be known as caged prisoners. the guy making elaborate claims he was a sweet and soft spoken gentle boy. this man koreshy praised jihadists in iraq afghanistan, bosnia chechnya. he endorsed the acts of hezbollah against israel. cage has defended any number of -- >> he's lying. >> people who have been found guilty of terrorist offenses including one woman who is serving 86 years in prison for attempted murder against u.s. officials in afghanistan. this is a propagandist organization, it's not a civil rights group. i studied them. >> i'm glad to hear that. because that was my sense of

smell. tell us how far you've gotten with that. a predictive model for who will break bad, if you will. >> i think there are a number of causal factors. the fact there are a myriad of causal factors and number of combinations. racial profiling, criminal profiling, high unemployment you can look at you know low job availability. there are a myriad of factor but it all boils down to what gets that person to the point where they are susceptible or craving the idea of the ideology. do they become marginalized do they develop animosity towards society, do they become excluded? how does that actually happen? i think it's fascinating. because you have to have the ideology in order to catalyze someone, then they can become a lone wolf and stay in the country or join a terror cell or travel to syria. i think there also needs to be

the demand aspect. isis are left alone at the moment to create this demand. and they're doing it through this ideology through social media. the context of globalization here is absolutely fundamental. the ability to use the internet. the ability to travel across the world, the ability to push propaganda out on youtube, on twitter. the able to galvanize western media, they all come into the whole process of being radicalized. what i do know is it doesn't happen overnight. it happens over months if not years. >> thank you so much for disabusing us of that nonsense about what a sweetheart this guy was. because i'm so tired of hearing about a cold blooded killer who was such a quiet good neighbor but in this case it looks like pure propaganda from somebody with a point of view that was not helpful to the truth. up next a new point man for the democrats. connecticut governor dan malloy is taking the fight to the republicans. he's coming here next. this is "hardball."

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he's not taking over as chairman of democratic governors association until next year but governor dan malloy of connecticut is already on the offensive. in an interview with "time" he took on the role of democratic geronimo calling out chris christie on the issue of pensions. he's in the process of destroying public pensions which way the way comes out of the republican playbook. he hasn't told the truth about what he's doing, but that's what he's doing. the state's bond rate lg pay, perhaps not a permanent price but a long-term price. he'll saddle that problem to some unfortunate democrat who is going to have to come in and do the right thing. that's the hard part about being a democrat. you have to clean up after the republicans. well new jersey's credit rating has been downgraded seven times since chris christie took office. seven times. i'm joined by connecticut governor dan malloy. the republicans seem to have a

new pattern. it's called disruption. disrupt pension plans, disrupt homeland security. they're like sampson and the temple. bring down temple and somehow you'll be picked as the new leader. >> don't hold back now, chris. >> that's what i think is going on. you've been pretty tough. >> i have. i think you have to call that as you see them. i've accepted this role. i think we have great democratic governors. i think as democrat however, we look at elections as cycles. those days have to be over. you look at republican talking points. they're the same week after week, month after month. and election never stops. what we have to do as democrats is make sure we're actually telling the truth, which we do and we're repeating the truth and we talk about things that are really important to people. their security is important to them. republicans are misreading this situation in part because they backed themselves or painted themselves into a corner. every republican congressman thinks that some day they'll run for president, so they have to

be tough on immigration. that's why i don't thing you can get an immigration bill out of the congress whether republican president or not. the only way that we'll change immigration in this country is when democrats take the congress back. that may be a ways away but it will happen and we'll eventually solve this problem. if republicans want to keep giving this issue to us i'm happy the take it. >> he was asked about new jersey's fiscal problems at cpac yet. here was his response. >> the fact is that what we'll do is do what i've done before we're spending $2.3 billion less in discretionary spending today than in fiscal year 2008. we have 8500 fewer employees than the day i walked in as governor in 2010. that's being fiscally responsible and we'll cut spending if we have to. >> i'm looking at the new republican scorecard. there's scott walker who beat ed schultz in the battle over his recall. good for him. i like success, but here he is punching the state university system in the gut.

wisconsin is one of the states like michigan has one of these fabulous state university systems because the reason they didn't have eastern universities like yale in those days and they built these great state universities. now he's going to war for them. why is that pay dirt to attack the one great thing you have in wisconsin which is the university of wisconsin? >> times are tough, revenue is growing slower than expenses but to go after the university to the tune of $300 million is unbelievable. i want to go back to this christie question. this is a guy who has purposefully defunded the pension system. he wants to destroy it. he's taking orders from the kochs and others. if he can do it he'll do it. what christie is doing on the pension side in new jersey is new different than what walker has done the unions. the unions give them some credit, they helped build the middle class in this country. he wants to dissect them. destroy the systems that support working class families in

wisconsin, but that's also what new jersey's doing right now under christie. >> unlike christie scott walker is getting a lot of political mileage from his past showdown with teachers unions in wisconsin. big applause at cpac yesterday. here he is giving them red meat. >> we turn the power back into the happeneds of the hardworking taxpayers. they didn't like that. they tried to recall mep they made me their number one target. but we showed we can fight and win for the hardworking taxpayer. because of that in our state we don't have seniority or tenure any more. we can hire and fire based on merit, we can pay based on performance, we can put the best and the brightest in our classrooms and we can keep them there. >> governor i don't run states or do anything big like that all i do is try to figure out what's going on. i do thing the republican sweet spot if they'll challenge hillary clinton in a close election next november is to run

an executive. i don't think they can run just a talker against hillary. they've got to run somebody who has run something big like you have. is that why your going after the republican governors. they'll be the happy hunting ground for the republicans in looking for a candidate. >> every one of these guys has to hide what they've actually done. he talks about being able to hire and fire at will. we have a progressive movement in the united states that's over a hundred years old, was supported by republicans and democrats. nobody believed that teachers, good hard working teachers should be able to be thrown out of the classroom because the governor's office changes or the mayor's office changes or there's a new superintendent of schools. they're rolling back things that are vitally important to how our democracy work. why shouldn't someone be able to negotiate their contract to file a grievance, to work for a real wage? we have to be very clear. we support no one having to go to work sick. i did that in my state in 2011

no one should be forced to go to work if they're sick. if they're hourly they should be able to earn paid sick leave. it hasn't changed our economy, but it's changed individuals' lives. so there has to be pressure on the bottom to raise these wages. no one in america should work 35 or 40 hours a week in live in poverty. it makes no sense. but that's what republicans stand for. and state after state after state they've failed to raise the minimum wage. they've been on the wrong side of it. quite frankly they're on the wrong side of these issues in wisconsin. let's be honest. christie will rise and fall by what he's done. what he's done to new jersey and seven downgrades, more to come and defunding the pension will catch up with him. he's a nonfactor in this election cycle. there will be other people who rise and fall and we'll point out their weaknesses as they rise and they then fall. >> we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. if you need a platform for that message, which sound gs to me

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back to "hardball." by the way, jeb bush, any supporters? >> welcome back to "hardball." perceived gop front-runner jeb bush faced a tough one at the cpac conference down in washington yesterday and again today. they took indirect and direct shots at the florida governor. many of the right wing think that he's too moderate to be their standardbearer. >> why don't we just -- why don't we just call it quits and jeb and hillary can run on the same ticket? i mean go through the list of things they agree on. common core amnesty, giving obama fast track trade authority. a lot of new trade deals with china. the surveillance culture. so i'm designing the bumper

sticker. it could be clush 2016. what difference does it make? >> the elites in washington who make backroom deals decide who the president is going to be then he's definitely the front-runner. >> jeb bush, he's in favor -- he's in favor of common core he's weak on immigration, now think of it for a second. in favor of common core he's weak on immigration. you remember a statement with they come over for love? that was his stance on immigration. i don't see him winning. i don't see there's any way. you people are going to have to make your own choice. who knows? >> well that was the clown car in action. joining me is a columnist for the daily beast, the president of the bernard center for women and political reporter with the national. is cpac the republican party or is it some side wing of the

party that's far more right wing and angry and resentful of the establishment? >> look, cpac has influence. that's why you've seen mitt romney move to the right on some issues. it's a group that does have significant sway in the party but they didn't love mitt romney and he ended up being the nopenny in 2012. they're not the be all and end all. >> i don't thing you're part of this crowd, but is this the loudest, strongest voice of the republican party? is this the lion's share? are they in the majority and the establishment moderate people for the northeast out of it? >> no this is definitely not -- well, let me say they are the loudest voices in the republican party, but i don't think that they're the mainstay of the republican party. if you listen to all of the things that they complained about, common core immigration, things that most americans will

look at from a very common sense perspective, most will be saying to themselves are we really going to be against a candidate who someone is saying that voluntary guidelines that say that we want our kids to learn certain subjects k through 12 is so horrible that we should not elect them as our next president of the united states is going to be kind of silly. this is a small group of the republican party that jeb bush was never going to win over. he has to talk to them but keep moving forward. >> when i hear at that convention is resentment almost hate hatred of illegal immigrants, never wanting to give them citizenship no matter how tough the government gets on immigration. they seem to hate the common core like anything that's what they want to home school everybody. they seem to resent 2015 the year we live in. that seems to be what they're running against. >> yes they do. and the common core is also the

big jackboot of the federal government. cpac is maybe not representative of the republican party in toto. but that's obviously where bush is going to have his trouble, getting through a primary with his position on immigration. now, historically you can say that republican primary voters as right wing as they are, they do tend to elect the chalk horse, as it were the establishment candidate. they went with mccain, they went with romney. but they end up voting for that person only after dragging him so far to the right that he has to try to rush back in the fall of election year like romney tried to but it was too little too late. so bush is going to have to negotiate that same dance. >> jeb had his chance to dance to address the conservative audience today and argue the gop needs to find something it stands for. >> i think the conservatives in

washington have been principled enough in opposing the overreach. and they've actually done a pretty good job. over time we have to start being for things again. it's good to oppose the bad things, but we need to start being for things. >> he seems like he's teaching not preaching, but teaching but also making the case for hispanics being part of our culture now. they are historically. they're a chunk of the country. his wife is from mexico. his kids, you could argue they're ethnically hispanic. he's roman catholic now, his wife's religion. he's embraesced the asimalation. this party doesn't seem to want to do that. >> getting up there on stage he didn't change his tune on this stuff. bush was saying the same things -- >> where is that line in the republican -- it's not going to sell in iowa. as michael said aren't those caucus goers out in iowa just the same way as that cpac crowd,

just as right wing and angry? >> on immigration, absolutely. so that's something that won't sell to these voters. you heard the boos in the crowd. that said when it comes time, jeb said he'd be willing to lose the primary to win the general. if he can get through the primary with the moderate voters, he won't have to deal with the same problems romney did in the general election. >> you're a person of color, i would assume he has sensitivity to this. especially if he brought that mexican wife to that group, would they have booed her? >> i think it's absolutely a travesty the way we saw people behaving at cpac today behave on a regular basis and talk about immigration and people of color in the country. now what i will say is that their sort of ignorance about the way america was started and the way that our country is

moving forward in terms of becoming a place where people of color are actually the majority might actually inure to the benefit of candidates like jeb bush and to candidates like chris christie. the primary's going to be very difficult for either one of them as a candidate but there are people that we sometimes refer to as reagan democrats, republicans who are moderate. people who self-identify who will be receptive to the messages of a bush and a chris christie. they are for something, as bush said. they're for education reform which is particularly important in the african-american community. >> they don't make much noise, do they? >> they're doing their best. >> they have their hands folded on their desk like catholic school kids. they're doing what they are supposed to do but they're watching the wild people make all the noise today. up next the big question everyone is trying to answer blue and black or white and gold. i can't believe i'm doing it but it's happening everywhere. by the tens of millions people

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say it's silly, i think it is one of the most astonishing things -- >> what do you see now? >> now i see black and blue yeah. >> it's changing for you? >> michelle what's your experience with this dress. >> when i looked at it this morning white and gold i'm seeing it as different colors right now. what do you see right now? >> i see blue and black. >> okay, emily, your attempt at greatness here. >> i still see white and gold. i'm the opposite. when i looked at it a long time today i saw on the i had three versions of it was clearly black and blue and beautiful, more faded in the middle and more faded to the right and i never saw gold. on this i see blue vaguer blue

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and if we people that we recognize as us are still around in the 23rd century. it's not just late mr. spock's science, but captain kirk's humanity. "all in" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." breaking news on capitol hill. republicans in the house fail to pass a homeland security funding bill. the money runs out just after midnight so what happens now? >> jeb bush, any supporters? >> jeb bush faces the first test at 2016 at cpac. >> i would say i'm a practicing reform minded conservative. >> two retail giants raise the minimum wage. will more companies follow suit? >>