did john boehner agree to cave? all right. good morning. it is the final day of february the federal government is still completely open this morning because a shutdown of the department of homeland security was averted late last night. just 120 minutes before funding was going to run out and workers were going to be told to start staying home. but it deal that was reached last night is temporary and fragile. it was another down to the wire vote on capitol hill. this one, to provide just a one

week extension of dhs funding. the question is will we be back on the brink seven days from now. the other question of the morning, and we will be diving into after last night's drama, was there a deal? is there a deal between john boehner, the speaker of the house and nancy pelosi the top democrat. the suspected isis executioner behind the joemz foley beheading was unmasked. we're going to talk to a former terrorists about who jihadi john is. and we'll try to find out what drove a young man raised in the west to become a killer. we can't ignore it. the dress that is still dividing the internet and just about everyone you know. what color did you see? we will look at why no one can agree on what they saw.

all right. we begin this morning with that crisis averted on capitol hill last night. and barely. >> the az 357, the az 360. the rules are suspended the senate amendment is agreed to. the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. >> all right. now that was a few minutes before 10:00 last night. the final vote after a truly bizarre day filled with suspense and chaos. that vote to keep the department of homeland security open for one more week. president obama signing the measure just before midnight. that's when funding would have officially run out. here now, here is what everyone is trying to figure out this morning. did house speaker john boehner cut a deal with nancy pelosi? just before that vote pelosi giving democrats instructions to vote for the one week extension. this is even though democrats

had been adamant they would only support a full year of funding with no short term patches. >> the vote tonight will assure that we will vote for full funding of the homeland security next week. >> reading between the lines there, pelosi the top democrat in the house seeming to say that boehner will give in sometime in the next fune days and will give democrats what they want. now, boehner strongly denying that. quote, no such deal or promise was made says his spokesman. that was last late night. this is a show down that's been building with months. starting with president obama's executive action to protect millions of undocumented immigrants from deportation. that is unconstitutional republicans? cyst. they drew a line over dhs funding. they said roll back the executive action or we're not going to give you the money to run it department. the democrats had been holding firm.

they've demanded the gop allow dhs to stay open no strings attaches. al republicans are divided. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and his fellow republicans on friedday passing the bill. boehner trying to bide time yesterday putting a bill on the floor friday afternoon that would have funded dhs for three weeks. then watching that move backfire. >> the yeas are 203 nays are 224. the joint resolution is not passed. without objection a motion to reconsider is laid on the table. >> that was about 5:00 p.m. yesterday. 52 republicans breaking with boehner handing him a shocking setback. >> to me this is what my vote was all about. representing the people of the

third district who feel that the president violated the constitution. that is, again, why i said that homeland security got caught into the debate. the debate and vote was simply about my constitutional duties to uphold the constitution. >> and in the wake of that vote, absolute chaos reigning throughout the night on capitol hill with that last minute one week extension finally passing with almost no time to spare. so here we are now the morning after. dhs is still open. democrats, they think they've got a deal to get what they want next week from boehner. boehner is denying there's any deal. he's fearful of how his right flank will react, if there is any deal. of course, the countdown clock to a shutdown has been reset. seven days and counting. for more on how this has unfolded and will unfold we have the senior congressional reporter for talking points memo. he was certainly there last

night. thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. let me start with that question we're asking the democrats backing off this all or nothing posture they sort of had and giving votes for this one week extension last night, pelosi suggesting there is a deal is that what democrats think there is here a deal? >> this is a bit baffling to me. i'm hearing different things from both sides. as you pointed out the speaker's office disputes the idea there was a deal. an aide i spoke to last night, very senior and knowledgeable says speaker boehner did absolutely make a commitment to harry reid on the phone last night and nancy pelosi knew about it. think about this it's difficult to imagine nancy pelosi after showing her upper hand and scuttling voting down speaker boehner's three week bill to suddenly turn around and get her conference to vote for a one week bill without getting something in return. logically, it seems like there was some sort of assurance or something democrats got in return. again, this is kind of he said

she said at this point. nobody knows what exactly happened behind the scenes. we're hearing different things from their offices. this is the question i think everyone on capitol hill is pondering going into next week. >> that's really theftinteresting what you're saying. we know boehner has been telling his republicans in the house he has no contact with mitch mcconnell. now you're telling us if there was communication it apparently was between harry reid and john boehner. if there is a deal along the lines of what democrats are suggesting to you. if there is a deal along the lines of what democrats are suggesting how would this then play out over the next week? >> steve, if there is a deal and speaking boehner committed to bringing up a bill the question is does he bring up that bill. if he does it's going to infuriate his members on the right. his speakership is tenuous at this point. he survived being a speaker last

month. 25 republicans voted against him as speaker last month. there are 50 or 60 republicans who voted against his bill on the three week extension and the wrun week extension for dhs. you have to understand the reason this issue is so explosive is it combines two things that make republicans maddest. so it's an open question what happens going in to this. if speaker boehner puts a clean dhs bill on the floor, there will be talk i suspect there might be an attempt to challenge his speakership. >> wow. all right. a lot of drama last night, but clearly that drama will not be subicizing. thanks. there were five democrats who voted against that one week funding bill when it finally got that vote before 10:00 last

night. those five democrats include congressman mel brooks. congressman, let me start with you. hearing from democrats, did they believe there's a deal here that john boehner will put what they're calling the clean bill a full year of funding for dhs no strings attaches on the floor at some point in the next week. do you think is it your understanding there is some kind of a deal? >> i'm not a party to the discussions between speaker boehner and nancy pelosi. i don't know what communications occurred. but i do know this in my opinion, i expressed this to a member of the house leadership we should have voted on the senate bill to fund the department of homeland security. if it passed if that was the will of the majority members of the house of representatives, then they can defend those votes back home. if it didn't pass, if perhaps the position i have protecting

american workers from job losses and wage suppression by this huge surge of illegals. if that position passed we would be in a stronger position of forcing the democrats in the united states senate to reconsider whether they want to shutdown the department of homeland security in order to help illegal aliens take more jobs and wages from american citizens. >> let me make sure i'm clear. what you're saying is the bill that passed the senate, this is the so-called clean funding bill a full year of funding for dhs, you are okay with john boehner bringing that to the floor for a vote? >> i recommended it to a member of house leadership this week. and we need to see where everybody's positions are. and if that's the will of the majority of the house of representatives. if the majority wants to violate their oath of office well then they can defend that back in their districts and in their states as so many senators have

already committed to doing. why go through this process of stringing the department of homeland security out for one or three weeks if the end result is going to be the same thing. i don't understand that strategy. let's have a up or down vote and let the majority decide what is the best interest of the american people. keep in mind we're caught in a catch 22. we all want to fund the department of homeland security. are we going to support illegal and unconstitutional conduct which at the same time has the ability to take away jobs from american citizens and putting illegal aliens on a pedestal. that's what the disagreement is about. >> let me ask you, congressman, nancy pelosi the house democratic leader asked you and all democrats to support the one week extension saying if you do support the one week extension, she is confident you will be able to get what you want in the next week. that full year of funding, no strings attaches and no

immigration language. you still voted no why? >> because homeland security is a priority. it's not like talking about trading soybeans. we're talking about the very security of this nation. we should not make deals amongst ourselves in order to protect america. i've told this to my firefighters and police officers in my district i went down to the border last week and talked to those folks. and saw the hard work they do. they're doing a fantastic job. we don't only have one border we have four borders at least. and we need to pay attention to all of those borders. so i think it would be a violation -- i listened to secretary johnson and i read his letters he sent to the congress of the united states, he feels any short term extension is going to hurt create more anxiety amongst the troops. the thousands of people that work for homeland security. and i suspect, steve, on the

bottom -- one of the points in this, and i don't accuse my brother brooks here of this but i think there is a very deep dislike and concerning federal workers on the other side of the aisle. i mean there is not the respect shown that they deserve. because you are working for the federal governor state governor or local government doesn't make you a pariah. i support these people. >> but listen -- >> i think it has a lot to do with the issue. >> in terms of getting them insuring they stay on the job, the things you're talking about there, this has to get resolved some way. nancy pelosi was pointing a direction that she sees for you guys last night saying if we give them this right now, they are going to turn around and give us what we want in the next week. al you said no. what is the way out that you see? >> we have no assurance there's a deal. what does a deal mean in terms

of the security of the united states of america? we should bring it up for a vote. i absolutely agree with what he just said. just like we should have brought up the senate vote on immigration last year. there was a clear vote. a bipartisan vote in the senate of the united states. why do we link these two positions and situations on this particular bill? why didn't we do it on some other? it was a strategy that the other side used in order to embarrass the president, and here we are. we do need a clean vote. it should have been last night. in fact if that vote -- didn't pass last night. i don't know if you agree with me, let's say that vote was turned down of waiting seven more days. if that was not -- if that was turned down last night, what would have been the next step? go home and do nothing? maybe. maybe we could have brought up the clean vote. why not? >> let me ask congressman

brooks, as you said you have been asking for that so-called senate bill to come to the house floor for a vote. you say you'd be fine. the reporting suggests that a lot of conservatives and a lot of the people in the republican conference who are most suspicious of john boehner are not okay with that. that they see that as giving in to what the administration wants, giving in to what the democrats want -- if he puts that bill on the floor? >> there are 4345 house members you have a variety of opinions amongst that 435. there are some conservatives like myself who will not vote to fund illegal and unconstitutional executive amnesty that takes jobs and undermines wages for american citizens, period. if i'm in a minority position on the senate bill and apparently, 31 republican senators were in the minority when that bill was

voted on yesterday. if i'm in a miminority so be it. in this particular instance here's what's at stake. you have the risk of a federal government shutdown. that's what's at stake. under those circumstances, i would argue that we have an obligation to prevent that kind of damage that is done to our federal government and to our country. and some of those circumstances, i would have preferred we have a vote on the full measure passed by the senate and see where the people stood. if it failed then that would reinforce to the united states senate, that their position of defending the president's illegal and unconstitutional conduct is untenable and they would have to reconsider their position. if it passed then this issue would be behind us and we would start moving on to a lot of other very important issues that still face our country. in the meantime, as bill has argued and i think as i concur we are stringing this thing out. let's bring it to a head see

where the votes are. if we can depose of it quicker that's better than stringing it out and doing damage in the interim that can be avoided. >> this is not necessarily unconstitutional. we don't know that. that has to be decided. i agree with you, let's bring it up and discuss it and debate it as a separate issue. it laz nothing to do with those border prolamine border patrolman, cops and firefighters in our own districts. it has nothing to do with that directly. i say i agree with you we should have had a vote last night. >> we will see. we got to end it here. we will see in the next few days if you get your way and you have that vote on the house floor. we'll see if that is the case. my thanks to you both. coming up the panel will join me to talk about all this. we're going to look how bad things have gotten between the leaders of the republican party.

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senate majority leader and i have had a long relationship and especially over the last eight years, seven eight years we've had a close working relationship. you know he has his challenges and i have mine. we have two different institutions that don't have the same body temperature every day. sometimes there are differences. you know the house by nature and by design is a more rambunctious place than the senate. >> the house is showing how ram bunk it can be.

here to talk more about this we have the co-host of the cycle. and a republican strategist and former advisor to senator jean mccain and the white house reporter for buzzfeed. not sure where to start here. i'll try this one on for starters. the republican from alabama, surprised me. what we keep hearing is john boehner is not going to put this clean funding bill on the floor. full year of funding for dhs because he's scared of a conservative revolt. here is one of those conservatives who voted no on the one week extension last night saying i think he should put the senate bill on the floor. >> that's unusual. if we can push the wewind button here for a moment. i'd like to take the speaker's position here for a moment. the last few years the democrats have been clamoring for order.

take the immigration bill for example, they complained that the house did not take up the senate himgration bill. i think the democrat plan was to let's pass this bill with the provisions on the executive order and let the senate vote on it and have the president veto it. >> did they -- >> remember, the president was just on nbc where he said this filibustering has to stop. this is a case in point. let the regular order move forward. let the house and senate work its will. obviously, there are numbers there to sustain the president's veto. i think a compromise could have been had. that was the republican plan. somebody should have told them this was probably not in the cards. they turned it into a republican

issue, correctly as i would have -- >> that's kind of amazing, because the republicans finally got legislatively what they've been looking for after the last election. they finally got the senate. of course, republicans should know from the last six years, even if you don't have the senate you can filibuster and grind the place to a halt. are they surprised? >> i think so. i love this clip you played earlier with boehner. he's like this sad face like don't you understand over here. it's crazy i can't do anything to stop this stuff. different body temperature. that's boehner. i think the republicans backed themselves into a huge corner. there is no upside at all to shutting down the dhs. i think they think that they have some districts where it's so conservative in the districts it appears to be the thing to do. you know everywhere in america

this will be terrible news for them. they're up against this wall and they don't know what they're going to do. i think they should have seen this coming. this happened several times now. that they've done things like this. >> here's the thing i wonder sort of the psychology of the republican members of the house who would be against this would do this. they shutdown the government in 2013. the polls said oh, my god we blame you. in 2014 they had a banner year didn't hurt them. >> they feel vind kkted in a certain since. the people forgot or didn't show up. they elected the largest majority like ever in history. they're feeling like their strategy has been vindicated. let's be clear. these individuals who are votets against funding dhs, they don't care about the republican party or the national republicans, they care about themselves and their own districts. they care about their own political interest.

to a certain extents that's true of all politicians. but, you know, let's not pretend like they have like impulses towards the country or their own party. they're looking out for themselves. i think this whole thing from the very beginning was so ludicrous. i could never understand what they thought the end game was going to be here. it was always going to end in disaster. there was no other way this could go down. >> the end game still is whether this is a day or week dhs will get full funding with no strings attaches. >> yes, in all likelihood. it's easy to be the monday morning quarter back. let me tell you this here was the end game maybe a miscalculation was, all the polling data demonstrated that the executive orders were

unpopular. there was concern about the president taking unilateral actions regarding immigration broadly. i think the thinking was, in terms of my conversation was there was enough movement at the national level -- i don't think it's the number one issue in the united states but there would be enough pleasure on the president to at least accept the vote in the senate. >> what the polling say was the popularity of the department of homeland security while isis is beheading people and gaining territory? >> i agree. >> people in brooklyn being arrested for terrorism. it's absurd that they thought it was a good idea. >> i was referring to the fact i think there would be pressure to have an up and down vote. because there are a significant number of democrats that are against executive order with the president vetoing -- >> you're saying the democrats were confident there would be a vote in the senate. how does this end?

>> i don't know. i think we will have a department of homeland security will be funded. i will say, some of the damage is already done. i spoke with a senior dhs official last week. i called him up said how are you doing. morale is so low. people are looking out to send out their resumes. they feel this is a department where they're there to product people people. and they feel like the people they work for is turning on them. you don't want to have a dhs people who are not fired up. >> it's not about them, though. >> of course it's about them. >> it's about the president's illegal action in my adjustment. that's what it's about. they've been the victim of it largely it's all funded and most of these individuals would report to work and be made back anyway. you know it's not an attack on them. it's an attack on the president.

>> i think that's hard for them to realize this. i think it's hard for them to see. when you look at this thing, this is not even like a department people make jokes about. this is a front line department. >> republicans like this department. >> in the continuing fight against terrorism. >> the government has been shutdown before. this department the difference is this department is self-funded. i was told a year ago in one of these programs the republicans will pay a huge price for the government shutdown in november 6789 we have the largest majority in years. i'll make you a wager, we're back on this program in 2016 this won't be an issue. >> i will say a lot more people will be going to the polls in 2016 than in 2014. >> i do think that's an important point. i remember at the shutdown this is how the democrats are going to take back the house. >> obamacare went down. if that hadn't happened who

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event. this is amazing. is he in danger of back lash in his home district? what's the danger for him? >> his star has fallen so fast. this was a guy who very recentlepsy was the young, fresh face of the republican party. did a lot of bipartisan stuff. he worked across the aisles with democrats and was going to do this rational caucus that they were trying to do. now he's a instagram failure guy. it's an amazing fall. >> we should say, too -- >> i'd say whatever danger he can be in he's in. >> he did repay the $40,000 in renovation renovations. he did repay that. the associationed press lebron james is not happy colleges are recruiting his 10-year-old son. he did say it's pretty crazy. you shouldn't be recruiting

10-year-old kids. i want to know. >> i mean a, it should be a violation. it's absurd they can do that. can you blame them? if i was a college recruiter, i don't know that i would be looking at lebron james' son. >> if you're his kid you're going straight to the nba. >> what is the pitch you make to a 10-year-old if you're a college? what do they say to them? >> we have great pizza. >> a 10-year-old -- >> you stay up so late here. >> this is from -- this is interesting. this is from "the new york times." i saw this obituary. the oldest active wall street investor died this week. 109 years old. he was still until a few months ago commuting three days a week by cab to his office. he made his first trade in 1929 before the stock market crash. according to his son, by the

way, he smoked until he was 50 and didn't watch what he ate. >> the lesson he did that trade in june 1929 but he cashed in before black friday. he knew what he was doing. a good example of keep working. that's good. good genetics and keep working. one of the amazing things about him, throughout his entire life he was not only a great investor but had incredible market timing. i think he learned from the depression. >> another amazing thing here he had three siblings they all lived to be over 100. that's unbelievable. >> by the way, it's not like he was a vegetarian his whole life. he was smoking wasn't eating well. >> i will do what it says. >> dna is destiny sometimes. we say good-bye to a man who lived long and prosperred.

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s become the face the masked face of isis. many here in the united states. the suspected executioner in many of those isis beheading videos. the man referred to as jihadi john unmasked by the washington post on thursday as mohammed emwazi. who he is and where emwazi is from doesn't necessarily match the typical profile of someone thought to be susceptible to radicalization. he's a british citizen and grew up in a middle class neighborhood in west london. this is emwazi as an adult, the photo dated back to his days as a student at the university of westminster. he graduated with a degree in

computer programming. it's during that time he began to become radicalization. after his graduation he was detained after he travelled to africa for what he said was a safari vacation. officials believe he was heading to somalia and they deported him back to the uk where he was questioned again. according to the washington post, he decided to move his country of birth, to kuwait shortly after that. when he returned to britain the following year he was questioned and told a human rights group now i feel like a prisoner, only not in a cage in in london. a person controlled by security serviceman stopped me from living my new life in kuwait. this past august the suspected executioner begins to appear in the isis videos that shows several americans and brittens having been beheaded.

he's made a terrible transform agds in a matter of four years. we have a co-authorer of the book undercover jihadi. he joins me from toronto. thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. i think what some people wonder about, the middle class background all the opportunities, and possibilities that awaited this guy in life yet he ends up being radicalized. we hear about his treatment at the airport and treatment from security personnel. that sort of thing. maybe you could see how you'd get upset by that and be unnrveed by that. how could that possibly trigger a transformation of this magnitude? >> it does not trigger that kind of change. clearly, there are other things happening in his life and life history that led him to end up where he did. also there's a problem of our care cutures of what we think is a typical profile. there is no typical profile.

the only typical profile is they come from relatively normal backgrounds. some are relatively educated,ing some are not. some are poor some are not. some need jobs some have jobs. m there is a whole spectrum of behavior you can find. >> what are the common threads? are there any? is there a trigger moment usually? is there some specific event that happens to sends people down this path is it an accumulation of things what is it? >> it's the latter. it's an accumulation of things. radicalization is a process. when you act on those extreme views, you are a violent extremists. al in that process there will be life events that may act as catalysted. there may be cognitive openings. something happens in your life and for whatever reason you start to look for alternative ways to explain your life around you.

this is where ideology plays a big part is it allows you to justify your actions. >> i'm curious about your own story. obviously you were going down this road then you ended up turning back to the other side and assisting as as counterterrorism expert. do you look at jihadi john and say, that could have been me? >> yeah. i do that all the time. a lot of these individuals that are picked up whether they're younger kids or older young adults, i was there. i was on the line. i thought, you know i was being oppressed as a person. but i personally wasn't be oppressed. i wasn't discriminated against or bullied or picked on harassment by security services. i didn't go through those things. those aspects didn't resonate for me. for me i had a chance encounter with the taliban in pakistan. a single event like that those

are single events that push people a few degrees more than normal events would. >> all right. we appreciate you taking a few minutes this morning. thank you for that. still ahead, the strategy hillary clinton could use if she runs for president. that many aides say she should have used the first time around. what president obama is saying about the murder of one of vladmir putin's most vocal critics.

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all right. turning back to this morning's top story. congress has agreed to keep the department of homeland security at least through the next week. the house finally approving the measure late last night a few hours before dhs was about to shutdown. president obama then signing the resolution minutes before midnight. nbc news white house correspondent joins us. what does the white house think

is going to happen in the next week? >> reporter: that ultimately dhs is going to be funded. they don't think this looks good for anyone. this was a nail biter with less than two hours before department of homeland security was set to shutdown. they passed a one week resolution to keep dhs open. earlier in the evening boehner brought to a vote a bill that would have funded the agency for three full weeks but boehner failed to get enough votes from his own party. that short term proposal failed. conservative republicans want any slagz that funds the dhs to also block the president's immigration action which would provide relief from deportation to millions of undocumented immigrants. those conservative republicans argue that the president has overstepped his constitutional authority. the president has consistently defended his action. he says it's legal.

he's vowed to veto any bill that would block im. the rationale for this one week extension is that the extra time will give the sharply divided congress room to reach a longer term deal. this comes as republicans have taken control of congress. a lot of people this morning questioning whether this could threaten house speaker boehner's speakership. >> thanks for that update. that's the question to take to the panel here. john boehner, the situation for the next week nancy pelosi said she expects john boehner will cave and take that clean funding bill the democrats have been demanding and put it on the floor, the democrats are going to vote for t. some republicans are going to vote for it. that's the question raised. if and when he does that what's the blow back risk for him among republicans. some of whom have been waiting for the moment when he sells them out. >> the idea that it could endanger boehner's speakership presupposes an important thing,

which is any other republican would want that job. somebody else would have to be speaker. you know we've seen this before that boehner speakership is in peril, it hasn't happened yet. i think that kind of dance is less important than the sort of overall image that the republican party is presenting doing this. >> i am inclined very much to agree with that perspective, right, and have been failing to understand why john boehner didn't do things like bring the immigration bill to the floor and go ahead and pass it and get it out of the way. but the only way that what he's doing makes sense is if he actually thinks there's a real threat. because, otherwise, why would you go through this three weeks again from now or a week again from now. you would put the full year clean bill on the floor and get it passed with democratic support and move on with your life. if you didn't think there was some sort of real threat. >> he sat there a couple years ago and watched 15 16

republicans said no to him as speaker. his margin was kind of narrow. >> yes i agree. i think his speakership is in peril, not imminent but i think it is. >> he's always watching his back. >> he is. and he should. it's a real problem. i think the strategy for the next week which i'm surprised they haven't highlighted, the leadership, as much. they will in the coming days is let's let this play out in the courts. there's been a victory at the district court level. it will take a few months to go to the court of appeals. >> i think that's his out in his strategy. ultimately, i think it is in question if he starts to rule the house through a coalition with nancy pelosi drawing in democratic votes and losing the majority of the republicans.

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the internet? there was the lama chase, leading up to the main event asking what color is this dress? we will get to that but we'll start this hour with the story of the morning. the chaos on capitol hill late last night with speaker john boehner with nancy pelosi. will we end up past the brink? did john boehner cut a deal with the democrats? it all began with a stunning moment, a truly stunning moment a little after 5:00 eastern time last night. house republicans expecting to pass a bill to keep the department of homeland security open for three weeks. and then this. >> the yeas are 203. the nays are 224. the joint resolution is not passed without objection a motion to reconsider is laid on the table.

>> 52 republicans who joined in in rejecting that three week extension. they're protesting the fact it did not roll back president obama's executive action. specifically on immigration. boehner has been handed some surprising defeats on the floor in the last few years. this was by far the most stunning. republican leaders caught flat fooded the midnight deadline approaching. president obama meeting with jeh johnson last night to prepare for a shutdown hours before it was about to begin. finally a last second plan by boehner to keech dhs open for one weech and then from pelosi surprise instructions to democrats. >> your vote tonight will assure that we will vote for full funding of the homeland security next week. >> that one week extension then easily clearing the house just before 10:00 p.m. 174 democrats voting for t. only five voting against it. now the key question democrats believe boehner is about to cave in the next few days.

he's going to give in and give them the vote that they want on full funding. no strings attached. boehner's office denying that there is any such arrangement. is there a deal? if there isn't what are democrats going to do if there is, if boehner told democrats he's already decided to cave what are boehner's fellow republicans going to do it? joining me from capitol hill a republican congressman from new jersey. democrats are saying they believe john boehner will put the clean funding bill on the floor next week. do you think that's what's going to happen here? >> i don't know steve. and let me say that i'm sure that there has been no deal struck. i'm certainly pleased that we have funding for the department of homeland security. and i will support funding for the department of homeland security. >> what do you think the end game is on this? it's a one week extension. how do you get from where we are

right now to having this issue resolved? what do you want to see happen in the next week? >> yesterday the democrats refused to vote for a three week extension. and yet they voted for a one week extension. i would have preferred that we go to conference based upon the bill with the senate. as you know the senate filibustered this issue four times. we had passed a bill more than six weeks ago. and i favor full funding of the department of homeland security. and john boehner, the speaker favors that. i am sure that will be the case and we will not shutdown government. >> but let's be clear on the distinctions here. the bill you're talking about that made it out of the house, didn't just provide funding for the department of homeland security, it included language that would take away what the president has done in terms of executive action on immigration. the bill that cleared the senate to fund the homeland security department just funds the department of homeland security. the question to you, if that bill is put on the floor in the

house, full year of funding for the department of homeland security, no language about immigration, how do you vote on that? >> i would vote for that. but i think that it's important that we discuss the immigration issue, steve. that's why we wanted to go to conference. that would be what is known as regular order. now, there has been the court case in southern texas, and that will be appealed to the fifth circuit in new orleans. we are all concerned on the republican side with what we believe is the president's overreach constitutionally on the immigration issue. and thank goodness there has been the court case in texas. we hope for an early decision in the fifth circuit in new orleans. >> if john boehner in the next week puts the senate bill which has no immigration language on the floor of the how's, does he have a problem among republicans. >> i believe that speaker boehner will be our speaker for the complete term. he was elected unanimously in our conference following the november election.

and i see no credible alternative to speaker boehner. he has a tough job and i think he's doing a good job. >> appreciate the time this morning. thank you. >> thank you, steve. >> all right. before helping john boehner get the votes he needed to keep the department of homeland security last night, nancy pelosi had some tough words for him yesterday afternoon. >> i'm just saying to the speaker, get a grip. get a grip mr. speaker, get a grip on the responsibility that we have. get a grip on the legislative pockets that are here. >> there is no one better to join us in analyzing what happened on capitol hill. you're the host of hard ball. you've been there for battles before. what do you make of what happened last night? >> it's clear that republican members -- by the way, i don't think it was a republican party like we grew up believing there was, sort of a culture, a unifying force that holds people together as party members. i think the conservatives have

found a home in the republican party, including very right wing conservatives. they're willing to use it as a tool. they don't love it t. people like jeb bush and chris christie, so i think what we're seeing is a rebellion against what is the shambles of the republican party, boehner representing that. i don't think a conservative wants to go home to their district and face a challenge because they voted for amnesty. that's what they call it. when you let people come into the country illegally become legal. >> what they chose to do here what the conservatives in the house chose to do is take that idea of we think this is amnesty and attach it to funding for the department of homeland security. this is not the first time we saw that. a couple years ago, we don't like obamacare, we think that is overreach. how does it get to the point where we break away from that style? >> the courts i think could be the most powerful branch of government this year.

they could say obamacare doesn't have the funding for the subsidies because they can't have subsidies because they don't have state exchanges. al they could give us a right for emergency equality. they could undermine the president on the executive orders. they could say you overreached you can't make immigration law. you create roadblocks to the prosecution if they're here illegally. that's writing law. maybe we'll go back to the end of the summer where they have to lisk with each other. it's almost like they choose eruption and chaos over agreeing to live with each other. pelosi could have given the 14 votes yesterday afternoon. why didn't she? let's not get too goody two shoes. 14 democratic votes would have given boehner that majority. there wouldn't have been the perils of pauline on the railroad tracks late at night. >> apparently what she told democrats yesterday afternoon when this thing went down if

you vote now now, if you with hold your votes now, i'm confident john boehner will have no choice to put on the floor full year of funding, no strings attaches. that didn't happen. >> i think the question is whether he can continue as speaker if he breaks the hastert rule. it has to be a majority of republicans. i think that congress would be ruled by majority rule. is that a simple enough caidea? >> do you think the right goes for that? >> no, i think boehner is in trouble. i think there will be a big fight if he does this. he's turning control over the democrats and they lost. they lost the election in 2014. he lets the democrats rule the congress. how can they do that? and you know i say this before and it offends everybody because nobody wants to deal. i think republicans like corker that went along with the deal the other year they believe in

it. very few people believe in a combination of letting people become legal here. and dealing with the future problem of immigration by outlawing illegal hiring. putting it another in a comprehensive bill. find the members of congress in either party who says i'm for a comprehensive sleuth. they love the word but they don't mean it. that's the problem. >> when you look at boehner, you think he's in trouble here. you worked for house speaker tip o'neil. >> it was so long ago. al you brought it back that's in the 80s. the fact is one thing i know about politicians, they don't like to be out of touch with their base. the question in the republican party is far different. tip was the base of the republican party. he's an ultraliberal. boehner is not. the base of the republican party are conservatives first, republicans second. we got to stop thinking about republicans and democrats. the conservatives are against illegal operation and government spending big government, what else?

violently antiterrorist. the republican party is a house for them not a home. boehner is the one who is part of the whig party. that's the old republican party which is establishment. going back to the beginnings of the republican party there were two sides, you know all this. there were the whigs the people with money, and the wild antislavery people. they wanted to get rid of the way things were. today you have the same situation. people who don't like government and the way things are against this establishment party. guys from long island peter king, they're the old people out. most republicans are violently antiillegal immigrant and they don't care about boehner. >> is there another republican who could be speaker and do more? is he doing the best he can? >> it isn't going to fit. it isn't going to settle or come together. this is a problem with our politics today. it's an explosive model.

democrats are basically side ing with the hispanic community in this country, legal and unlegal. republicans are basically married to the antiillegal immigrant point of view which is it's amnesty. as long as as congressional districts are drawn gegraphically. most republican cds are going to be antihispanic and openly so. republican senators have to represent hispanics so they have to be lenient about the issue. the senate went along with this the past couple weeks. it's the difference of the constitutional construction. these districts are right wing and they have very few hispanics in them. a right wing congress person has nothing to risk by taking i'm against amnesty position. >> we were talking about this earlier. the republicans could look at the republican shutdown in 2004. >> they're antigovernment. >> look at this they got

rewarded ip2014. that's how they would interpret it. >> oh, this is very concerning to me the government is shutting down. to a conservative the government is screwed. they're always screwing up. they made their point. >> it's good politics. >> i think one point i've worked on since i got up thinking about the fact that the republican party is a house for conservatives it's not their home. they use it but they care more about illegal immigration than john boehner. at home their voters are like that. >> that's interesting. what you're saying about boehner is interesting too. >> i think it's a scored point if they get rid of boehner. >> it could be coming to a head this week. >> dump boehner, put it in your news letter. he's for amnesty. >> chris matthews. >> i think they hate their leadership more than they hate democrats. when it comes down to is the modern republican party is a house of conservatives than the party of lincoln.

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all right. it is the firstthird day of cpac. all the main speakers have made their remarks. the conference won't we'll be right back up before today's much anticipated straw poll. the presidential straw poll on the republican side. who is going to win it? let's take a look at the moments

voters will be basing their decisions off of. >> here's the bad news. the bad news is that today our nation is on the road to decline. but here's the good news. we are one election away from triggering another american century. >> we need to reestablish relationships with countries we have managed to mess up. we've managed to mess up almost every relationship including canada which is hard to do. >> we could have had hillary here. >> i was a good catholic i went to my priest and said i'm giving up "the new york times" for lent. he -- no, don't cheer. it's bad news. he said, chris, that's not acceptable. you have to give up something you'll miss. >> we survived worse. we had a civil war in this

country. we had two world wars. we had a great depression. we even survived jimmy carter. we will survive the obama years, too. >> i promise you this as a doctor, i will take it and make it my mission to heal the nation. reverse the course of obamacare, and repeal every last bit of it. >> last question i did run in track. i was good in the half mile and quarter mile. i've been running three times in the past four years. i'm getting used to it. >> in total there will be 17 candidates on the ballot for today's straw poll. that's down from last year's 25. and among the choices, the usual suspects bush rand paul some of the lesser known, george pataki donald trump. maybe the only ballot he'll appear on for president.

that's another thing. what can we expect today? who have the voters on the floor liked thus far. we have a gop strategist. she is conducting today's straw poll. let me ask you, we played some of the clips there. all these speeches over the last few days when you look toward today's voting, did anybody stand outen your mind who is going to have a particularly good day in the straw poll? >> several people stood out. the way you win the straw poll here at cpac is have a very inspiring educating performance on the stage, but also do the leg work leading up to cpac. so you have lots of volunteers and students here who already support you. i think that that metric really benefits senator paul. his won it the last few years in the row. his team has been good about acivating the base. curiously some of the best

received speeches from cpac were from the three united states senators rubio, paul and cruz. that's curious because this is a non-washington, not antiwashington crowd. but i will also say why there are 17 not 25 candidates this year. this is the first year my firm is conducting the straw poll. we tried to clean it up in two ways people had to meet three criteria, they're hiring people they're telling supporters that they are considering a run and they're accepting invitations to forums. that took people off the straw poll and included people who are making such moves. >> you managed to pin it down to a much more 17 candidates. good luck with the straw poll. we're looking at what the results will be. back at the table this hour our

panel. a lot of background noise. i didn't realize they were still going at 8:00 in the morning. i thought it would be an empty room or something. what do we think of this? first of all, rand paul or ron paul, one of them has won five of the last seven of these. if that happens, people probably discount it a little. one of the questions can scott walker win this thing? if he does is this a sign of this ascendancy we've been talking about? >> from my view it doesn't matter very much. i agree with kelly, it's entertaining and the best speech and who can pack the house. romney won it once. he packed it though. and so -- in that sense, i don't think -- a lot of credence to t. everyone will expect a conservative, a real conservative. you saw the sound bites there. obviously rand paul is the expected rinner if he's not that would be a huge

disappointment and an indication he's not on track to be the alternative. i think the real winner here is jeb bush. who will not win the straw poll. but i think he did himself a lot of good in this particular forum. >> let's take a listen. we have a clip. jeb bush had the q&a with sean hannity yesterday. a lot of college students were there. there was a walkout. let's play an exchange. >> you support in state tuition for those children of illegal immigrants that weren't citizens. >> we should give them a path to legal status. where they work and where they make a contribution to our society. that's what we need to be focused on. >> a lot of reaction. >> do you agrees? did he do a good job? >> i give him a lot of credit for going in there and sticking to his guns and explaining himself and saying this is who i

am and this is what i believe. he was very smart to organize and make sure he had his people in the room. there were boos but you heard more cheering. i mean i am impressed as heck that he did that. you contrast that to marco rubio for example who went and issued a mea culpa for his stance. i give him a lot of credit for it. >> he also took a kind of a hard line on immigration, too, when he was asked about what he would do if the -- with the minors that were crossing the border he's like i would turn them back. >> hillary said the same thing. >> i'm not sure that's a great message for the hispanic voting community. >> the president said the same thing initially. the president of the united states said the same thing with respect to the crisis before they had a different script prepared for it. i think it was brilliant. i think he walked a tight rope

here. he was able to convey a conservative message while sticking to principals. the booing was pretty good. >> beyond cpac the loser here is senator rubio. >> here is what i agree with you on. the line that jeb bush said a at the beginning of all this a few months ago, you got to be willing to lose the primary to win the general. i thought about this is this the kind of thing where you lose a primary. we just talked about chris matthews about immigration and today's republican base. >> the last time around the primary was completely topsy turvey. then south carolina gingrich won. you could totally see a situation where jeb bush loses south carolina because of his positions. guys like romney and jeb bush they don't care about losing south carolina anymore. >> here's the difference i see between how romney got the nomination, how mccain got it in 2008 and the trouble jeb bush has. al they didn't run against

somebody like scott walker herman cain. they never had to face somebody with that kind of krebltd with the conservative base. >> i agree. the immigration stuff is really tough. the other issue he was talked about was common core which is a big issue among the republican base. so i think it's tough. you know he's not going to win iowa. i think he has to have a strong showing there to prove he can win over conservative activists and that he's not going to be relying on new hampshire and praying for florida. >> let me say, i was on the romney campaign i was one of his spokes people. let me tell you what i think is the difference here. i don't think anyone is going to accuse jeb bush on flip-flopping on these issues. he didn't walk away from it. he did not walk away from it all or his immigration position. this isn't a shift the way senator rubio has and so forth. i think this will help him.

he will still have problems with some of the base. the question is ultimately if he is the establishment alternative, whether there's enough establishment republicans to overcome the conservative alternative which will likely be governor walker. >> some of those establishment folks are willing to get behind scott walker. it's not like jeb bush is going to have -- >> that's what i mean. when they looked at santorum in 2012, this guy lost in pennsylvania by 20 points. look at scott walker, he survived a recall. >> that's true. notice we're not talking about governor christie. >> we are later in the show. we pretty much stays away from trump. anyway, new jersey governor chris christie addressed the unfortunate comparison his political action his name as drawn that packed title as leadership matters for america.

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what color is it. >> i was there when this was created i was surprised to see how it blew up. it's white and gold. that picture is white and gold. i will say on the air, people who are not seeing white and gold, and are seeing blue and black, i think they're lying. >> there are 35 million views of this since it was posted on thursday. how do uget white out of that? i saw blue and gold gl it looks like a bad picture of white. i'm totally team white and gold. i think the people who say they see blue and black is because they know what the dres is supposed to look like in real life. >> what do you see? >> this is a lesson that i guess. >> there is no black there. that much i know. there is no black. >> seeing is believing doesn't hold true any longer. >> i see the whiert and the gold on there.

i see it very clearly. >> exactly. >> there is no black. >> i agree there is no black or white. there is blue and gold. >> before i knew what the debate between white and gold or blue and black, i said silver and gold is what i saw. the white -- i can see like the cornflower blue hint. to me it was a bad picture, badly picture of white. >> all these people seeing white i'm waiting on them to start complimenting me on the white shirt. >> anyway that was, you know no resolution. we had to get that in. still ahead, chris christie trying to turn things around. he takes on organized labor. the main stream media, conservatives within his own party. those details still to come. she could be the next woman president of the united states. she is embracing gender in a way she didn't in 2008. stay with us. rise asked people a simple question:

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that moment is often cited as pivotal in turning her campaign around. a moment that made her appear vulnerable. this time in 2016 if she does run, moments like that might not be as necessary. the"the new york times" will put out that she is a grandmother. a senior advisor called not the biggest missed opportunity of the 2008 primary. she joins us alongside our panel. that's an interesting comment. i wish you could elaborate on that. the idea that you look back on 2008 and say they handled the issue of gender wrong. >> i thought it was a missed opportunity. if i look at hillary clinton's record is in the senate where she was the lead spaunger of an equal pay bill or women's health

where she was a strong advocate for access to healthcare for every woman. that was her record and what she did. and yet, in the presidential campaign, it was implicit not explicit. you got the sense -- i know i did because i was there -- people thought everybody knows she's a woman so we don't need to talk about that. let's talk about how presidential she would be and talk about the presidential issues. that turned out to be a missed opportunity. i think that clip you just showed tells you people connect with you better when they see that your real and human that you have life experiences: that's is what i think you'll see going forward. >> i wonder if part of the calkoolgz back in 2008 as the campaign thought about at this looking how voters might think about gender. is there some instinct she has to look tougher, less emotional,

that's why you don't want to talk about gender? >> i think there was a little of that. it is not easy to be the first of anything. so when you're trying to put together a campaign for the first woman president, when there are no role models,ing there were no examples. you're feeling your way. >> i wonder what you make of this you ran in 2010 in virginia. you've had some thoughts on hillary. i'm curious what you make of this. >> it is interesting you can already see hillary setting herself up for a different run. we saw her speak to women in silicon valley. she's key noting a speech to wumen. she is embracing that message more. it is interesting the way that the political conventional wisdom has changed since 2008. when i ran i got the same advice and was watching the same way as hillary was. i was told don't talk about your kids or your gender. you have to be a polished tough

congressional figure. you can see that in the way alison lundergon grimes ran. she embraced being a kentucky woman and made that a core part of her message. i think it appeals to a lot of voters not just women. >> i wonder the idea in 2008, president obama the first african american president. the idea of breaking the barrier, do you think it will be as exciting as it was in 2008? >> from the many people i hear from, largely but not entirely woman, young and old the idea of electing a woman president is an exciting idea. they've never been in a potential campaign situation, it is possible if he decides where so many people in the year ahead of time are coming up and saying it's time to do this.

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new jersey governor chris christie is in california this morning speaking to state republicans at the end of a rocky month in his all but announced campaign for the white house. it began with criticism about vaccinations. a taste for luxury travel paid for by others. now a massive blow to his effort to balance the books in new jersey with a state judge ruling that christie broke his own pension reform law when he failed to put $1.5 billion into the state employees pension fund as the law had promise edd. that's a huge hole that christie has to patch up as he tries to scrape together his presidential

campaign. just 37% approval rating the lowest since he took office. he's heading back on to the local town hall circuit. his first in six months. he's taking shots at the national media on his monthly state and radio show and on a national stage before the c pac audience in maryland. >> are we shocked that "the new york times" does this? >> i don't care what they write about me. they can keep it. i don't subscribe by the way. >> joining us is the national correspondent for "the new york times," co-author of the story on cristhristie's travel. i'm not going to ask you for a response to it, but it is fair to say the media, this is a common punching bag you hear about from conservative politicians. certainly there are democrats who attack the media as well. that's not unheard of. but what is christie trying to

do here? >> it's easier to go before the iowa straw poll and give up "the new york times" for lent. it's very easy. the issue is not "the new york times" or the media. the issue is how are we going to fix the pension problem? what are you going to do about the downgrades? how are you going to fix the roads? the issue is frankly what did you know about the lane closings? what was the culture you set in your office? those are tough questions for christie to answer. the easier thing to do is go out and say it's the media's fault. >> what is the -- it it seems like there's a shift having go. back to new jersey. the news is compelling that he would be there, but more town halls having to deal with the pension issue in new jersey. is there a strategy here of trying to recast him as the jersey leader as opposed to out of the state at the time. >> at the end, the town hall

was -- he came out at the end and added a little chapter at the end and said there's a lot of talk that i have forgotten about new jersey. i can walk and chew gum at the same time. i still love the state. i'm raising my kids here. i can still lead the state. he does his radio show and goes to maryland for c pac and then california for the weekend. he has a tough balance if he's running for president and running the state. >> a lot of the candidates didn't give speeches. they were interviewed. crist christie was interviewed by laura ingram. they thought he was giving more of a grilling. that was interesting. but at one point ingram was asking him about jeb bush. this was what christie said. >> if the elites in washington who make background deals decide who the president is going to be he's definitely the front runner. if the people decide to pick the next president and wants someone

who looks at them in the eye i'll do okay if i run. >> let me bring the panel in on this. the purpose of the attacks on the media, also positioning himself as i'm running against jeb bush. how is this going over with the republican base? >> it's going over well. probably was a good thing for "the new york times." it goes over well with conservatives, obviously, this is red meat and so forth. the problem with governor christie is i think it's a lose-lose proposition for this reason. he's in serious trouble at home with 37%. as a republican in the establishment, his appeal was our dream of possibly carrying new jersey pennsylvania potentially, a candidate that could attract a lot of independent voters, expand the map and do what we needed to do to win the general election. that's christie's appeal within the republican party. it certainly isn't with the conservative faction.

but with 37% approval rating trying to pick a fight to be a scott walker is not the right fight. trying to do the thing with pig farmers in new jersey where there are no pig farmers, to play well in iowa is pandering. he loses at the national level and at home because. most of us say this guy can't carry new jersey. why would he be on the ticket? >> people around christie, what do you pick up from them? did they look at the last few months and say they made mistakes. >> i think the travel story hurt them. they felt that some of them felt it was a fair hit. they felt like this was a problem that he did in the first place and want to say this is the kind of thing you can't do. >> it's going to hurt his everyday image. >> walking and chewing gum isn't great when it's going to a dallas cowboys game on jerry jones' tab.

>> one of the interesting things was the going to the cowboys game. that really angered people in pennsylvania. the polls showed it. >> you don't cheer for jerry jones' team. >> one of the things i thought is almost it's sad. he's bashing the establishment. this is the folks he was hoping to back his campaign. now he has to make this outsider pitch. >> a lot of the donors that were going to support christie are now supporting jeb bush. >> the idea he's trying to say he's going to be the grass roots kapd, that was never his thing. >> chris christie, this whole jeb bush money machine that could be taking him down chris christie helped build that. his career was made by. being a bush donor. i always like to point that out. i didn't even have to say it. i just pointed out the irony. thank you to the panel.

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